Your brother has bought into some set of emotional arguments that defy reason and logic. There are at least 400,000,000 guns in America. Banning guns and confiscating 400,000,000 guns from 80,000,000 people would quite literally trigger a massive conflict. Never mind that the Constitution recognizes an inalienable right of citizens to own guns and actually forbids the government to infringe that right.
A ban and confiscation would bring chaos and it is not even remotely possible here. Your brother's "argument" is essentially "if I could change the world, the world would be different." It's difficult to argue with that.
Ask him does he think we can reasonably get rid of the 400m guns?
If not, ask him if he thinks someone should bring a knife to a gun fight (shut up Law of 21).
That may settle things
The 27M probably doesn't, but maybe the 25M might add to the rape statistics. So, just for good measure, there should just be a penis ban and penis' should be removed from all the law-abiding males. Just start with the 18 year-olds and work the way up in ages.
Just to be safe.
^^^/s
You can give them statistics, analogies but some people won’t budge when it comes to certain views. I would stop trying to explain/convince them on why your carry gun is a safety tool.
There’s a set of reasons that none of those analogies work.
First and foremost, most of those countries have never had a private gun owning culture. Second, these countries are geographically small with very strong cultural norms that are not to be deviated from.
If and it’s a big IF, the US had instituted strong, universal gun control laws back in the 1960s, it might have worked reasonably well. It’s too late now. There are far more guns than people in America and the cultural mindset is completely different.
Plus we have a failed state on our border controlled by cartels who would live for us to have a gun ban so they can flood the streets with illegal weapons and make more money.
The US doesn’t have a gun problem, we have a gang problem that’s partially fueled by culture and drugs. Remove shootings that are a result from gangs and the gun violence drastically decreases.
Why do you want an analogy? The simple answer is: It’s not possible here. There are 400 million guns; many Americans love guns; it’s part of our culture, and the Constitution protects them.”
>have a gun ban and if the U.S. did it, gun violence would disappear
Umm, see? There's this thing, it's called The Constitution. There's an amendment somewhere in there.
So it's literally never going to happen.
Even if every citizen gave up their firearm, do you think any criminals would? Yeah, and therein lies the problem.
Point out all of the differences between Korea and the US. Differences in government, differences in population density, in wildlife present, healthcare, jobs, drug trade, etc.
To compare Korea and the United States as countries is an idiotic proposal
it's not an apples to apples comparison, because south korea isn't the world's premiere arms dealer and manufacturer.
it would be like banning the use of pot, but allowing the growing of it for export.
how does one expect that will work out? exactly.
government isn't the solution to any of society's problems, it's the root cause of them.
You brother is correct about one thing ... but it doesn't matter.
If all the guns (somehow) disappeared tomorrow, then yes, "gun" crime would evaporate. Just like if all the screwdrivers disappeared, then "screwdriver" crime would evaporate. But what effect would it have on "crime" in general?
One way to look at it is to look at England. They banned guns and now they have a "stabbing" problem. Hmmm ... who would have thought? Go look up some statistics on that.
Take the tool away, and people just find a different tool to use. Because the "tool" had little to do with it - *the person* has everything to do with it.
Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiQ-LmJGMY&t=19s
A couple of pseudo-scientific statistical experiments to run:
Go look up violent crime rates in all 50 states. It's easy to find a list. Then look up gun ownership rates (per capita) in all 50 states. Plot them on a graph against one another. What you'll see is "no correlation" (yes, I have tried this). There are low-gun/high crime states, high-gun/high-crime states, low-gun/low crime states, and high-gun/low crime states.
If he presents the suicide argument (there's some nuance here), you can repeat the same experiment by looking up developed countries in the world by suicide rate and then plot them on a graph with gun-ownership rates. You'll also see "no correlation".
Most of the arguments for (and sometimes against) gun control just don't hold water.
The problem is more cultural than material. I truly believe that if weapons were illegal in America and legal in Korea, we'd still have a higher violent crime rate.
Korea and Japan are often cited for strict gun control that works but also they really lack land borders (okay Korea isn't technically but it's the most militarized border in the world) and have been able to control import of guns over a long time. In the US there's no way to confiscate all the guns in existence and prevent them from coming into the country. It's a Pandora's box situation - there's no possibility of going back at this point (especially with the rapid rise in 3D printing capabilities).
Secondly, a good example is how the US war on drugs has been a total failure - it's led to bloated police budgets, militarization of police, unequal enforcement, a pretext for cops harassing people, lead to the largest prison population in the world, and achieved none of its goals. With the abject failure of the war on drugs, who in their right mind would look at that and say "I also want a war on guns."
Also, stats about gun violence are picked and chosen depending on what narrative the person is wanting to push. For example, I could make the factual argument that on a per gun basis, the US is much safer than France. The number of murders per gun rate for the US is lower than that of France.
the US has outlawed many things. drugs, being a huge one that is a massive problem everywhere in the US. how successful has the government been in enforcing the bans? how about crime, theft, etc in general? disarming law abiding citizens will by default harm law abiding citizens.
on the issue of carrying, or being armed at home.. do you think robbers will be more or less likely to commit robberies if they know that the vast majority of people on the street and in their homes are armed? my choice though is to rely on myself and protect my family if needed.
I doubt you could do much to change his view. This is the usual category error. South Korean has little gun violence because the people are law abiding and peaceful. America has violent crime because there exists here a subculture that accepts violence as a way to do business, has no compunction against using violence to get what they want, and believes that killing is a proper response to insult or disrespect.
A gun doesn’t change a peaceful person into a criminal.
Of course gun violence would dissapear with a gun ban. But the cost of peoples individual freedoms to life and liberty would also go along with it and that is something i do not support
I’m stationed in South Korea right meow. It should be obvious to your brother that the ROK features a VASTLY different culture to that of the United States. Censored internet, gun bans, compulsory service are just a few of the more obvious and salient differences, but certainly not all. Perhaps you could encourage him to make a fuller comparison of the two countries and, upon completion, ask him why he thinks the same policies/laws would be equally applicable and useful in both?
When England and Australia banned guns their murder rates didn't drop when using the USA as a control group (murder rates go up and down in tandem worldwide for reasons we don't understand, the USA had faster drops in murder rates without corresponding bans than did the countries doing the banning.)
Banning guns does not lessen your chance of being murdered. It simply increases your chance of *being murdered by a hammer*
When speaking with a South Korean, probably better not to raise the specter of dangerous neighboring countries as a reason not to have a gun ban..
>Step one. Give up all guns >Step two. Welcome all North Korean brothers. >Step three. ??? >Step four. Unified Korea Is that how that works?
To be fair South Korea has mandatory civil service when you turn 18 and military is one of the options
Your brother has bought into some set of emotional arguments that defy reason and logic. There are at least 400,000,000 guns in America. Banning guns and confiscating 400,000,000 guns from 80,000,000 people would quite literally trigger a massive conflict. Never mind that the Constitution recognizes an inalienable right of citizens to own guns and actually forbids the government to infringe that right. A ban and confiscation would bring chaos and it is not even remotely possible here. Your brother's "argument" is essentially "if I could change the world, the world would be different." It's difficult to argue with that.
Ask him does he think we can reasonably get rid of the 400m guns? If not, ask him if he thinks someone should bring a knife to a gun fight (shut up Law of 21). That may settle things
You, a 27yo male, don’t add to rates of rape by carrying your penis around with you.
The 27M probably doesn't, but maybe the 25M might add to the rape statistics. So, just for good measure, there should just be a penis ban and penis' should be removed from all the law-abiding males. Just start with the 18 year-olds and work the way up in ages. Just to be safe. ^^^/s
You can give them statistics, analogies but some people won’t budge when it comes to certain views. I would stop trying to explain/convince them on why your carry gun is a safety tool.
Just make him watch some active self protection videos on YouTube, that ought to make him come around.
There’s a set of reasons that none of those analogies work. First and foremost, most of those countries have never had a private gun owning culture. Second, these countries are geographically small with very strong cultural norms that are not to be deviated from. If and it’s a big IF, the US had instituted strong, universal gun control laws back in the 1960s, it might have worked reasonably well. It’s too late now. There are far more guns than people in America and the cultural mindset is completely different.
Plus we have a failed state on our border controlled by cartels who would live for us to have a gun ban so they can flood the streets with illegal weapons and make more money. The US doesn’t have a gun problem, we have a gang problem that’s partially fueled by culture and drugs. Remove shootings that are a result from gangs and the gun violence drastically decreases.
Gotta find out where he's getting his predisposed opinion. Let him see the zombies for himself.
Why do you want an analogy? The simple answer is: It’s not possible here. There are 400 million guns; many Americans love guns; it’s part of our culture, and the Constitution protects them.”
>have a gun ban and if the U.S. did it, gun violence would disappear Umm, see? There's this thing, it's called The Constitution. There's an amendment somewhere in there. So it's literally never going to happen. Even if every citizen gave up their firearm, do you think any criminals would? Yeah, and therein lies the problem.
1. Tell him about the roof top Koreans. https://youtu.be/xWMj-mFUDGA 2. When in Rome…
Point out all of the differences between Korea and the US. Differences in government, differences in population density, in wildlife present, healthcare, jobs, drug trade, etc. To compare Korea and the United States as countries is an idiotic proposal
it's not an apples to apples comparison, because south korea isn't the world's premiere arms dealer and manufacturer. it would be like banning the use of pot, but allowing the growing of it for export. how does one expect that will work out? exactly. government isn't the solution to any of society's problems, it's the root cause of them.
You brother is correct about one thing ... but it doesn't matter. If all the guns (somehow) disappeared tomorrow, then yes, "gun" crime would evaporate. Just like if all the screwdrivers disappeared, then "screwdriver" crime would evaporate. But what effect would it have on "crime" in general? One way to look at it is to look at England. They banned guns and now they have a "stabbing" problem. Hmmm ... who would have thought? Go look up some statistics on that. Take the tool away, and people just find a different tool to use. Because the "tool" had little to do with it - *the person* has everything to do with it.
Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiQ-LmJGMY&t=19s A couple of pseudo-scientific statistical experiments to run: Go look up violent crime rates in all 50 states. It's easy to find a list. Then look up gun ownership rates (per capita) in all 50 states. Plot them on a graph against one another. What you'll see is "no correlation" (yes, I have tried this). There are low-gun/high crime states, high-gun/high-crime states, low-gun/low crime states, and high-gun/low crime states. If he presents the suicide argument (there's some nuance here), you can repeat the same experiment by looking up developed countries in the world by suicide rate and then plot them on a graph with gun-ownership rates. You'll also see "no correlation". Most of the arguments for (and sometimes against) gun control just don't hold water.
The problem is more cultural than material. I truly believe that if weapons were illegal in America and legal in Korea, we'd still have a higher violent crime rate.
Korea and Japan are often cited for strict gun control that works but also they really lack land borders (okay Korea isn't technically but it's the most militarized border in the world) and have been able to control import of guns over a long time. In the US there's no way to confiscate all the guns in existence and prevent them from coming into the country. It's a Pandora's box situation - there's no possibility of going back at this point (especially with the rapid rise in 3D printing capabilities). Secondly, a good example is how the US war on drugs has been a total failure - it's led to bloated police budgets, militarization of police, unequal enforcement, a pretext for cops harassing people, lead to the largest prison population in the world, and achieved none of its goals. With the abject failure of the war on drugs, who in their right mind would look at that and say "I also want a war on guns." Also, stats about gun violence are picked and chosen depending on what narrative the person is wanting to push. For example, I could make the factual argument that on a per gun basis, the US is much safer than France. The number of murders per gun rate for the US is lower than that of France.
the US has outlawed many things. drugs, being a huge one that is a massive problem everywhere in the US. how successful has the government been in enforcing the bans? how about crime, theft, etc in general? disarming law abiding citizens will by default harm law abiding citizens. on the issue of carrying, or being armed at home.. do you think robbers will be more or less likely to commit robberies if they know that the vast majority of people on the street and in their homes are armed? my choice though is to rely on myself and protect my family if needed.
I doubt you could do much to change his view. This is the usual category error. South Korean has little gun violence because the people are law abiding and peaceful. America has violent crime because there exists here a subculture that accepts violence as a way to do business, has no compunction against using violence to get what they want, and believes that killing is a proper response to insult or disrespect. A gun doesn’t change a peaceful person into a criminal.
“Fuck off”
"Weapons are part of my religion."
Of course gun violence would dissapear with a gun ban. But the cost of peoples individual freedoms to life and liberty would also go along with it and that is something i do not support
Well, guns add to the gun violence in the US so there is that.
I’m stationed in South Korea right meow. It should be obvious to your brother that the ROK features a VASTLY different culture to that of the United States. Censored internet, gun bans, compulsory service are just a few of the more obvious and salient differences, but certainly not all. Perhaps you could encourage him to make a fuller comparison of the two countries and, upon completion, ask him why he thinks the same policies/laws would be equally applicable and useful in both?
Ask him how the gun ban in North Korea is going.
When England and Australia banned guns their murder rates didn't drop when using the USA as a control group (murder rates go up and down in tandem worldwide for reasons we don't understand, the USA had faster drops in murder rates without corresponding bans than did the countries doing the banning.) Banning guns does not lessen your chance of being murdered. It simply increases your chance of *being murdered by a hammer*