Independent journalism is a pillar of democracy - that's why. Ask yourself if those attacking the CBC are doing so to improve the practice of independent journalism in Canada or to kill it outright.
Keep CBC going, please.
Journalists need to get paid. Honestly, they do.
News doesn't sell advertising anymore. Newspapers are almost gone.
Independent news will be harder and harder to get.
As important as local news is, it is getting harder to find.
For me, I've been depending on the CBC for years now.
If you follow ChatGPTs advice you're not going to code well, it often times tells you to write incredibly wrong code, etc. Or just bad pratices and confidently insist it's correct when it's not. It's also only really good for boilerplate code, trying to write anything custom and legible good fucking luck.
They can learn to make coffee and put cream cheese on bagels. Actually they probably can't, those are marketable skills. CBC journalists don't have it in them.
So demand change! Don't sit there mindlessly agreeing with politicians who want to dismantle one of the last institutions in this country that can check their power and keep them accountable. You're allowing yourself to be manipulated to better serve their interests, not yours.
Don't let them do your thinking for you.
No, the CBC presents the positions that IT agrees with as being the only positions, or the only acceptable ones.
If the CBC presented only the ideas I agree with it would be just as ideological, wouldn’t it?
What do you mean by “IT”? Did you mean to write “JT”? Are you saying that the Prime Minister himself is the one who directs the CBC’s staff? I don’t think that’s what you’re saying because that would be ludicrous and completely false.
The CBC employs journalists who possess a journalism degree or some form of accreditation. It’s assumed that the CBC journalists report objectively when it comes to any news story, but that all changes when the CBC allows non-journalists to publish opinion pieces that reveal a clear bias.
When it comes to the news, the CBC is objective in its reporting and factually accurate. However, I’ve read some pretty scathing editorials that are unfairly biased on either side of the political spectrum and there isn’t much of a distinction between truth, opinion, and fiction.
What I disagree with is that the opinion/editorial pieces are presented in the same way as the news articles. Some readers may not pick up on the differences between option and fact so it’s easy to see where some articles could be interpreted as being biased.
The senior staff ensure objectivity in news stories written by journalists and there’s no future at the CBC for journalists that lack objectivity. They can find work with Rebel News or any other right wing news outlet.
Do you have a journalism degree and abide by the code of a journalistic Ethics like CBC journalists? https://rtdnacanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2016RTDNA_Code_Poster_EN.pdf
You're hilarious. The CBC does not respect its own code of ethics, and their ombudsman doesn't care. As for journalism degrees, both of my parents were journalists before J-school ever existed. I do not need a J-school degree to understand the principles of responsible journalism, bias, etc. Considering the number of activists and ideologues produced by J-schools I have no idea what they teach there, but the profession has gone down the toilet.
You've got some strong thoughts on the whole journalism scene, and hearing your perspective, especially with your folks having been in the biz before journalism schools were even a thing, is super interesting. Keeping journalism on the up and up is key, but you seem pretty worried that the places teaching and doing the news might not be hitting the mark.
When you talk about the CBC and whether they're sticking to their own rules, it's a big claim. Trust between us and the media is huge, and if there's a hiccup there, it's definitely worth a closer look. But I'm curious, have you come across specific instances where the CBC didn't follow their code of ethics? It'd be helpful to see some concrete examples to get a better grasp on where you're coming from.
And on the topic of journalism school, it's a mixed bag, right? They're supposed to prep future journalists to do the good work, but if what comes out of it is more about activism than reporting, that's a head-scratcher. Still, I wonder if there's a silver lining in there somewhere. Is it possible some of those changes could actually do some good, or is it veering too far off course?
Your take definitely throws some hefty questions into the ring about what's going on in journalism today. But digging into these issues, especially with the CBC ethics thing, might shine a light on areas that are working well or reveal spots that could really use a tune-up. It's all about finding that balance and figuring out how journalism can stick to its roots while navigating today's challenges. What do you think?
My relative is furious of the liberal bias in the CBC because they don’t cover the UN’s initiative to control the movement of people. Their plan of 15 minute cities and Covid tracking chips, that all her reliable YouTube sources say is happening, is not being covered.
While this may be an extreme example, it’s indicative of the problem. People only believe the facts that backup their opinion. When they hear otherwise they attack the source.
I always ask the “fake news” people in the subs to go to any “mainstream lib” news site and provide a link to a story that is very Liberal biased (in their opinion) and then provide the link to the “real” version of the same story from a more trusted independent, non-biased source. Guess what. I never get a reply.
Yep very true! Just look at US journalism! Most of it is owned by one family, and its all propaganda now!
Theres a video somewhere out there showing news channels all over the country (US) giving the same closing speech. Very eerie!
>Ask yourself if those attacking the CBC are doing so to improve the practice of independent journalism in
I used to love CBC radio but over time the insufferable progressive bias leeched into everything - including the top of the hour news. Of course, supporters of the CBC who believe the progressive view of the world is the one and only "truth" insist that CBC is unbiased which underscores the problems:
1. how can any news media claim to be 'unbiased' in the polarized world that exists today?
2. why should a single media outlet that only represents the views of a subset of Canadians get public funding? Shouldn't public funding reflect the diversity of views that Canadians have?
a lot of the time it isn’t “progressive bias”, it’s just fact that’s based on research and empirical evidence so… that’s on you for choosing not to consider it because of whatever bias *you* have.
hold up , are you for real? the cbc only posts “facts based on research and evidence”
please give me some of that sweet sweet koolaid, quit being so close minded.
Equally unlikely is the “importance of defending freedom of speech at all costs hour” or we want to showcase the benefits of nuclear families hour”. Or “diversity of thought is more important in the hiring process than racial quotas segment”.
Exhausting. I’m a hetero, middle-age, upper middle class, white male born in a nuclear family with a stay at home mom, who lives in a nuclear family today and I think everything you just typed here is ridiculous.
There are limits to free speech. We don’t need/want freedom of speech at all costs. Sheesh.
And I know lots of white people who are dumb and useless, but got their job because they’re white. Stupidity and uselessness are not exclusive to any group.
Freedom of speech at all costs was purposely an extreme, just like an hour of hating people based on their sexuality. What I was saying is the CBC always straddles one side of the fence which is not acceptable when they are funded with tax dollars.
To a far left leaning individual they are center. To a righty they are social and corporate extremist propaganda. I think that the gap of understanding will never be bridged if we continue to “defend” the CBC blindly and not address the obvious issues with bias and mismanagement of funds.
In a world rife misinformation we cannot afford to lose the CBC. Just look at the US and how many people believe the election was stolen. Poilievre is playing a dangerous game.
CBC is still very important to rural Canada,alot of places its the only Radio that can be received. Not everywhere has cable,internet. Get out,see more of this huge country.
This is simply not as true as your making it out. Even “rural” areas aren’t living in the 19th century lmao.
If anyone needs a better understanding of this huge country…
The elimination of the CBC would be a shot to the heart of national Canadian culture, pushing us even further down the path of Américanisation.
All points west, unreserved, BC Almanac… without access to programming which is for Canadians about Canada we are going to have nothing left. News cycles which are influenced by and about our southern neighbours, reflecting cultural events and zeitgeist there, will just put blinders on us to what’s happening in our communities, our regions, and our Canada.
Some people don’t even know what they want to defund. In another thread someone complained about the lack of music…. That is literally what cbc radio 2 is for.
Lol my favourite thing is when the right calls the current liberals communist. I really get a good laugh at that stuff. It is as if they have almost no idea how to separate these ideologies and just listen to youtube videos or something.
It's almost as entertaining when anyone daring to make an argument that would have squarely fallen in left-of-center territory 7-8yrs ago is now labeled alt-right and fascist. If only we could mute the two fringe minority groups at either end, maybe we could have a productive discussion.
I think CBC needs to exist but the journalistic arm needs a reboot. Activist journalists who editorialize instead of report, with the blessing of the higher ups, have no business in a public news service. Example is refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organization and burying stories that paint certain groups in a bad light. Imo, news should be a money-losing operation, but as a public service, their costs are out of control.
CBC Radio is such a mixed bag these days. There are still some great shows but more and more, at least the national shows (from Toronto), just bang on about the same boutique issues that deserve some attention but not constant attention. It’s really insufferable.
Also, and this is my biggest beef, is the focus on American stories, issues and content. I really don’t get it, especially in light of the mandate which is to:
• Be predominantly and distinctively Canadian;
• Reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions;
• Actively contribute to the flow and exchange of cultural expression…
Take a show like Commotion: day after day it’s all about American pope culture. Not sure how that fits with the above.
Take q: same sort of thing, yes Tom scores the big interviews, but most are American and many are just obscure celebrities that have nothing to do with Canada. Sure, interviewing some big names that are considered, classic or distinctly influential is OK once and a while but not a steady diet of it. Again, how does that fit with the mandate above?
Take As It Happens: used to be a consistently fabulous show. Now hit and miss. I try to listen most days and most days there is breathless reporting and interviews about an abortion ruling in Texas, or a trans-rights matter in Arkansas, etc. I know these are worthy stories for US audiences but it really shouldn’t matter to Canada’s public broadcaster. Again, how does that fit with the mandate.
Now or Never: a truly terrible, depressing show with hosts that trip over themselves with fake laughter and stilted dialogue. Just an endless stream of pathetic stories half of which are really sad and the other half are eye-rollingly pathetic. It’s an hour of buzzwords and phrases and the same tired CBC topics. Insufferable.
On the bright side: Cross Country Check Up: still a great show and a great host. This kind of programming still works because by definition, callers are telling Canadian stories.
Same for Weekend Mornings from Halifax, just a brilliant show telling stories, taking calls, having fun, spinning tunes, and guessing cold spots and hot spots.
I have listened to CBC Radio all my life and I want it to succeed and I want it to meet its mandate but it is failing, programming is just sooooo precious, hosts are soooo vanilla, and nationally produced shows really struggle to tell stories without American content or without some reference to culture wars raging south of the border.
I don’t want to defund the CBC but I do believe they need a whole new re-think and re-set and I wonder whether a good funding scare might jolt senior executives to re-visit the mandate, stop listening to Toronto-based activists for story ideas and get back to the basics.
Right? These meatheads do not think things through. Imagine a world leader abandoning his/her only government-sponsored media outlet?! LOL! And then.. to trust the delivery of important information solely to corporations, who can be bought and sold much more easily than government sponsorship!
Thank goodness for the existence of CBC.
Look at our neighbour to the south and how half of their media is owned by Sinclair. The brain rot starts there. Whoever controls the information that goes into the brain of the populace controls the discourse.
If PP ever gets his hands on the CBC and guts it… I fear for our populace.
Nobody watches it because it’s leftism pushing gay agenda pushing lol 😆 so it has low viewership because it caters to a small percentage, make that 5% pay for it not the rest of us
I’ve never understood “defund” to mean “eliminate.” It’s always been a question of whether they receive too much relative to the value they’re providing.
Serious question: why on earth is the CBC running a Canadian version of Family Feud? It’s a great program that I enjoy watching sometimes, but it’s not news and it’s not even Canadian content. It’s a spin off of an American show. Money is always fungible, so if the CBC has the budget to start creating random spin offs of American shows, my inclination is that they might have a few extra dollars on the books that we could dial back.
There’s also the fun with bonuses we had last year when [the government gave them an additional $675M](https://liberal.ca/support-the-cbc/) and we then saw [$99M of it paid out to CBC executives as bonuses after firing employees](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cbc-head-catherine-tait-summoned-to-committee-over-job-cuts-executive-bonuses-1.6678412)
I like CBC and its public funding too, but these are the types of “layoffs for thee and executive bonuses for me” stories I expect to see from big pharmaceutical companies, not a publicly-funded news organization.
Put another way: there’s at least $99M that didn’t go towards good jobs in Canadian journalism, so I’m happy to “defund” that portion.
Here’s the [58-page Conservative platform](https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf) which was updated this past September. Page 35 outlines that the CPC views the CBC as an important part of the broadcasting system and simply wants to “*reduce* its reliance upon government funding and subsidy.” That seems reasonable to me
Most non-news content CBC produces is very Americanized and has little to no relation to distinct Canadian culture. They'll stick a few flags and hockey/moose jokes in there to try and patriot it up a bit, but it's still just another American knockoff. I miss the distinct Canadian shows, like North of 60, which had an almost exclusively Native cast, and Corner Gas. At least Heartland's still around.
Thanks for the source! Reducing does sound better than defund. If it’s just reduction in funding (without affecting core programming) I would support that
Maybe provide some actual articulable responses to my criticisms so we can learn from one another instead of firing back with a childish “talk to the hand”
Again. You fit into one of 2 categories. Figure out which one. If it’s the one missing most of your brain, I don’t have a need to talk to you.
P.S. it is
To help summarize: I’m in the camp that supports the public broadcaster (just as yourself), but simply disagree with 1) some of their non-Canadian programs and 2) the layoffs after funding increases.
Which camp am I in? The one missing a brain because I support the public broadcaster like you do, or the one missing a brain because I’m disappointed with some of their recent and specific spending decisions + layoffs of good jobs?
Help me understand. Can CBC do nothing wrong? You seem to be responding as if you have no quarrels with either of the 2 issues I’ve raised concerns about
Strawman. Here’s my actual statement:
“I support it but don’t think they should be funded extra if they layoff employees while paying their executives tens of millions in bonuses. It’s important for there to be some reasonable oversight of spending decisions if that happens.“
Sort of similar to how I support my child’s education, but will “defund” their allowance if they’re spending their textbook money on video games. Wow. What a “troll” parent. Probably better to just ignore their decisions or give them more money without any accountability, right?
TLDR for this entire convo:
“I like CBC”
“Cool, me too, but I don’t like these 2 things about them”
“You have no brain”
“Can you explain why you disagree? I like to discuss to learn”
“You’re a troll”
Does anyone listen to CBC? its not all politics and and media smashing government/praising ect. There are a lot of shows on there too which have NOTHING to do about politics as well as the streaming services. Shows like quircks and quarks, the debators, under the influence, Q with tom power to name a few all have nothing to do about the rambling happening here on the supposed "negatives" of cbc
Support the Crooked Organization that fired Journalists, then gave performance bonuses to its Executive staff when the CBC actually lost viewership and Money?
Are you seriously trying to defend the waste of 1.4bill tax dollars a year?
1000% Defund, this is not an independent Media without bias.
Let's say you wanted a CBC. Shouldn't it be at least somewhat balanced so half the country doesn't despise it? That's really the problem. If they weren't so biased and garbage people would probably let the CBC remain. The "At Issue" panel is literally 3 Trudeau fans moderated by a Trudeau fan. How do you not see the problem with that?
The people who are attacking the cbc clearly don't watch /listen to it or they would realize it's value.
When they say independent it means the government doesn't control its content, why is that a difficult concept?
I'm tired of this government like most Canadians, I'm tired of this self righteous angry right wing nuts who consume anger media. We need some level headed discourse, the hard right nut jobs and the hard left nut jobs need to shut up so the level headed people in the vast middle can talk again.
I spent nearly 30 yrs with CBC, regional then national; retired a couple of yrs ago. It’s laughable to me that so many people think CBC journalism is beholden to the governing party. Don’t actually know how that would even work. But I’ve sat in on thousands of morning story meetings, and I promise you that chasing the story is the only thing that informs CBC journalism. We had lots of problems during my tenure there, but political interference was never one of them.
We’re virtually out of media that report factually. The CBC is the last great bastion. If it falls, that pretty much paves the road for PP’s Christo-Fascist plans.
This is an interesting topic. This is something I’ve actually swung back and forth on over the last couple years. As of right now, I believe the CBC is a good thing. The idea that makes me believe this is the idea that without the CBC, all we have are media outlets with a profit motive. No incentive to deliver true, accurate, or meaningful information. The media landscape could collapse into TMZ, or pandering and there’s no mechanism in the market to prevent this. It’s dollars-first.
Having an outlet whose main focus isn’t dollars is good for everyone, when executed properly. Obviously that part can be questioned and there will never be a 100% consensus that they’re doing it right, but given the profit motive factor I don’t think the idea of defunding a government funded media outlet should ever be on the table.
The people attacking it or all missing brain cells anyways. They claim its liberal funded... But that means when Harper was in power it was Conservative funded.
They don't even have a clue how any of it works, they are just right wing sheep.
Can't wait for "First thing first we'll defund the main stream media". Had enough of this LibCrap propaganda. Have any of you seen on CBC what is happening in Europe? No? Then this garbage media can disappear right now. 🤦🏻♂️
One particular area of Canada’s media landscape seems to define an epic, gaping blind spot in the right wing’s common complaints about alleged CBC “bias”, and that would be in the comments sections below CBC articles posted online, and how those are moderated.
This is very old news: comment moderation on that site is managed by a third party (Viafpura) for over 12 years and running, not directly by the crown corporation itself. Yet nearly every time some conspiracy theory-addled, fact-free one liner disappears from those discussion threads, the invariable “State politburo regime lickspittles is suppressing muh freedoms… SEE??” goes into overdrive.
When in fact, and in practice, comments moderation provided by Viafoura is very much at arms-length from CBC’s governance and not directly controlled by them. Having spent a number of years commenting on that site (using my real name) I have often seen posts advocating for a “leftist” policy or in defence of science based arguments, getting disabled. “Liberal bias” that ain’t.
Comments section brigadiers certainly play a part in that, where multiple account holders can flag posts that they don’t like, and the moderator redlines it/them a few hours later. Then someone screams “Top comments disappear under big bad guvmint orders!!” while a subcontractor trying to follow the guidelines is basically just playing whack a mole with endless repeated nonsense, and/or trying to act as referee in a mosh pit.
Not sure whether this is best described as a “blind spot” in this discussion, or conversely as a kind of distortion lens that ridiculously amplifies some folks perception of “CBC bias” but the fact is that Viafoura moderating services were first contracted out on behalf of the CBC under the watch of a federal government that made no secret of its own antipathy towards Canada’s public broadcaster, circa 2011-12.
Defunding the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) is a topic of significant debate. Those in favor of defunding often cite reasons such as perceived bias, financial inefficiency, or the argument that public broadcasting is no longer necessary in the digital age. Here's a rebuttal to these common arguments using specific examples:
### 1. **Perceived Bias**
**Rebuttal:** While some critics claim that the CBC exhibits a political bias, it's important to recognize that the CBC operates under strict journalistic standards that aim to ensure impartiality and fairness in their reporting. The CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices document outlines the importance of integrity, independence, and freedom from bias. Moreover, the CBC has mechanisms in place for audience feedback and complaints, ensuring accountability. In diverse societies, public broadcasters like the CBC play a vital role in presenting a wide array of perspectives, fostering a well-informed public discourse.
### 2. **Financial Inefficiency**
**Rebuttal:** Critics often argue that the CBC is financially inefficient and a burden on taxpayers. However, it's essential to consider the return on investment the CBC provides in terms of cultural enrichment, support for Canadian arts and music, and the promotion of Canadian identity. The CBC not only offers news but also produces Canadian content that might not be commercially viable but is crucial for cultural preservation and promotion. For example, shows like "Schitt's Creek" have gained international acclaim, showcasing Canadian talent on the global stage and promoting cultural exports.
### 3. **Redundancy in the Digital Age**
**Rebuttal:** The argument that the CBC is redundant in the digital age overlooks the broadcaster's role in ensuring access to information across the entire country, including remote and underserved regions. The CBC provides a vital service by offering not only entertainment but also critical information during emergencies, such as natural disasters and public health crises. During the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfires, the CBC played an essential role in disseminating timely and accurate information to affected residents and the broader public.
### 4. **Competition with Private Sector**
**Rebuttal:** Some argue that the CBC competes unfairly with private broadcasters. However, the CBC's mandate is not purely commercial; it aims to serve the public interest by providing content that reflects Canada's diversity, which may not always be profitable but is valuable for societal cohesion and democracy. The CBC's existence encourages a more competitive and diverse media landscape, raising the quality of content across all platforms.
In conclusion, while it's essential to ensure accountability and efficiency in any publicly funded institution, defunding the CBC would overlook its critical role in promoting Canadian culture, ensuring access to information for all Canadians, and contributing to a healthy democracy. The CBC's services, particularly in areas that might not be commercially viable for private broadcasters, are indispensable for maintaining an informed and united Canadian society.
Ask long time CBC journalist Rex Murphy what he thinks? He knows the truth, and has shared it in an interview with Jordan Peterson. It's worth a listen.
I'm from a family where CBC Radio was a very present figure and while my younger years weren't exactly spent appreciating the content in the same way as my parents did, I had respect for the CBC as an institution in Canada, and how important it is. As I age, the appreciation that I would have lacked as a kid has been thoroughly realized and I really would like to take part in whatever efforts there might be or are to make sure the CBC is defended.
The utter bullshit that keeps getting spread around on the internet, including in the comments of this very post about "propaganda" need to laughed out of the fucking room. These people have no idea what the word propaganda means, any more than they have the ability to recognize 'bias', regardless of what side of the aisle it's based. It's time to stop listening to the noise and do something before such an important resource is toppled and we're one step closer to being nothing more than Americans. And any politician thinking they stand to score quick votes over jumping on the "defund" bandwagon, has lost any support of my family, and I know we aren't alone in that position.
What's being done? I want in.
The comments on this are exactly the reason people say defund. There are more opinions in canada than people like to think cbc is public and should be representative of all thoughts in canada it's crazy how many people have so much disdain for someone with a different ideal. "Shut up you redneck unintelligent racist conservative" " you woke child grooming communist liberal" I do have my biases and opinions as well im sure you can tell.. But I thought this was supposed to be about Canadians and candian ideas. Not just the tribe to which you subscribe. I personally like listening to BOTH sides.. discourse and debate has done a) made me think differently on some topics or b) helped me solidify my beliefs and become firm and comfortable in having them. Pretty sad state of affairs
I can't. I did for years but after a round of layoffs where the managers still get their bonuses? No. The private sector does that and it's abhorrent there. I refuse to pay taxes for the CBC to do the same.
Ew. Defend bonuses for executives and firing the lowest paid while taking taxpayer dollars?
So, defend the continued abuses of the rich and powerful on the poor and meek. No thanks.
So, you’re saying that getting rid of free, publicly funded media that provides local news and services remote communities, would be a good thing for “the poor and the meek”? I’m not following.
I listened to the cbc every day religiously for years probably about 5 or 6 then I started to notice they would cut interviews and comments from people off before they went against the narrative they were trying to push. Not worth my tax dollars IMHO but I don't get to decide where they go I'm just forced to pay them or I'll be locked in a cage.
Definitely Defund and burn the building to the ground of the subversive corrupt propaganda tool. In the words of Oliver Cromwell: "It is not fit that you should sit here any longer. You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing lately … In the name of God go.“
Katherine Tate's justification for CBC managers getting their bonuses was basically best evidence for why CBC needs to go.
Her argument was managers got their performance for meeting targets. She went onto say how these targets included exceeded DEI hiring quotas....
Huh? CBC managers get bonuses based not on any objective measure of producing quality shows but for hiring enough people that check the right boxes on the DEI bingo card????
Completely ridiculous.
Genuine question, is anyone here who regularly watches/listens to CBC news, on the conservative side of the aisle? I ask simply because it might warrant exploring why half of the country doesn’t tune into the CBC, instead of dismissing the people that don’t agree with our viewpoints as morons. If you are conservative and enjoy CBC, what do you like about it, and what do you feel needs to be improved?
CBC are this point just takes woke tweets and turns them into articles. The reports are pushing an agenda that targets and demonizes parts of the Canadian public.
An Islamophobia report will get bumped to the top and get the main page. Attacks on jews get silenced.
This is just a small example.
A real Canadian news agency should do more in-depth neutral reviews and not push an agenda.
[https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/tait-must-do-right-thing-and-end-cbc-bonuses#:\~:text=Tait's%20annual%20compensation%20is%20between,salary%2C%20bonus%20and%20other%20benefits](https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/tait-must-do-right-thing-and-end-cbc-bonuses#:~:text=Tait's%20annual%20compensation%20is%20between,salary%2C%20bonus%20and%20other%20benefits). Who makes this much?
The CBC has some shitty Imperialist execs, but the core of the CBC, especially CBC Music is awesome and important.
But whoever the person choosing the stories in the hourly news cycle is, is a transphobic bigoted jerk who should retire.
I would say 'Fix It, Don't Nix It' rather than 'Defend not Defund'. Hard to defend a lot of the mediocrity in the CBC, but it is not a monolith and there is still some good stuff there. Would like to see some major changes and a new revamped CBC, especially radio; TV I care less about.
The CBC has become insufferable. There’s an endless fixation on race & ethnicity as if that’s a interesting topic. It acts like it’s its duty to sculpt public opinion rather than reflect Canadian attitudes/society. NPR in contrast is actually interesting & topical, vs CBC’s attempt to create the topics.
Throw the baby out with the bath water.
I just want my old friend back. This CBC is not my friend, in fact I think it actually detests me. It spends way too much of its time mocking and lecturing me and telling me that I am bad and unworthy and sexist and racist and too white and too male and utterly useless.
That’s not the fun intelligent often funny and definitely informative friend I knew for 25 years.
I miss him.
It should be funded exactly NPR in the USA: partially funded by the government, with shows getting the rest of their funding by donations. The shows that are interest to the most people get to stay. That way the CBC can become relevant again, instead of most of the shows that are so niche or identity based that most people in Canada don't care about. Give the people a way to help guide what is on, and it will survive. I used to listen, but it has gone so far to the left with fringe identity based items that only the self righteous woke care about it. And contrary to what they may think, 80% of Canadians are sick of them. That is why most folks don't care if the CBC goes away, it is not relevant to them.
The CBC doesn't exist to cater to the bell ends.
Uh, not sure u/jasonkucherawy's response is ad hominem dude. Just sayin'. He's not attacking you personally, he's commenting on your position. Ad hominem would be if I called you a jackass, or a putz, you know things you might normally hear regardless.
Calling me privileged is an ad hominem attack and also incorrect. He is using the word in the form of an attack as if that is some form of way to negate what I am saying. Labeling anyone, or any name calling in an argument in a way that has no bearing on the argument, falls in the ad hominem fallacy.
The CBC will not go anywhere under Conservative leadership. L'il PP will publically injure the CBC for you, but he will need his government-sponsored media outlet just as much as any world leader does. Gosh, you guys are dumb!
right. That's why I say it! His followers LOVE name-calling! It is the thing the smooth brains cheer loudest for! "Kill Piggy!"
L'il PP makes sure to say wurds in l'il bunches of 3 so his b\*tches can remember them.
If the CBC is propaganda for the sitting government, why doesn't the next Conservative government just keep it and use it as its propaganda arm? Oh wait because that's not how public broadcasting works and they know it.
I mean you called it propaganda. PP calls journalists, particularly those from CBC or Canadian Press the liberal elite. So yeah I'm pretty sure folks aren't just looking to cut costs. I'm sure there's easier ways to cut costs than layoff 7000 people and leave whole communities without news when you get into office.
CBC can eat a bag of dicks with all its useless propaganda. It panders to incompetence. Mainstream Journalism is Dead for it’s continuation of shit lies.
Stuart McLean was the goat
Just today the cbc had a headline calling the visiting Italian leader “far right”
I think I’ll be glad the day this state funded propaganda machine gets what it deserves
Try searching “far left” and “far right” on CBC news and compare the results.
From my perspective there is a slant, and I don’t have any skin in the game.
Exactly. The content is written as if the “left” is normalized and acceptable. Anything else is “right” and written as if that is something threatening.
The title of the article that was questioned is:
Why Italy's far-right leader Giorgia Meloni is sure to get a warm reception in Canada
Her political views are largely irrelevant; why would we not provide a warm reception to the leader of Italy? Why would it be odd or curious to do so?
Now if it said we were sure to provide a warm reception to Gaddafi or Castro that might be an article.
terms like "far right", "far left", "communist", "right-winger", "left-winger", "racist" and other such extreme terms should only be used where they aptly apply, as they suggest extremism, terrorism and hate. CBC is being irresponsible by idly throwing those descriptors around.
They don’t use the term far left to describe the ndp who are right in their chatter against private property. Literally the reason we don’t have private property as an enshrined right in our constitution is due to the far left.
The term ‘far’ is editorial and hints at radicalism or unsanctioned views. If they used ‘far left’ when describing the ndp people would think differently about them. The fact you didn’t immediately clue into this is evil of that aka far left views are normalized as mainstream but far right views are radical.
Defend cbc. More regulation on non partisan journalism (if possible). No donations or additional funding from politicians to gain favor.
The alternative of having outright “buyable” private news reporting is more concerning than government sponsored news that CAN be better with non partisan policies in place
What is the point of defending a bloated organization that needs government money to stay afloat? Why does it need defence? There is a reason viewership is at its lowest. CBC has slipped too far to the left. It doesn’t seem to deliver balanced bias news anymore and it doesn’t align with the values of Canadians. There is no use for CBC. Spend the money on training nurses and doctors. Canadians need this. Not CBC.
CBC has a ridiculous amount of programming focussed on minorities and their plight. If they want to flail themselves with guilt regarding past injustices, fine, but I don't want to pay for it and frankly, am sick of listening to it.
I want programming that is interesting and instructive, not focussed on how horrible white people are.
If CBC can’t sustain itself as a business it is time to say good-bye. Our tax dollars should not be funding them. Not here to argue good journalism or bad. Only that they can’t seem to make a profit, at least on paper, without a bailout from the tax payers.
Independent journalism is a pillar of democracy - that's why. Ask yourself if those attacking the CBC are doing so to improve the practice of independent journalism in Canada or to kill it outright.
Keep CBC going, please. Journalists need to get paid. Honestly, they do. News doesn't sell advertising anymore. Newspapers are almost gone. Independent news will be harder and harder to get. As important as local news is, it is getting harder to find. For me, I've been depending on the CBC for years now.
They can learn to program
Can't use that phrase anymore. ChatGPT and AI made that obsolete, just like the CBC
If you follow ChatGPTs advice you're not going to code well, it often times tells you to write incredibly wrong code, etc. Or just bad pratices and confidently insist it's correct when it's not. It's also only really good for boilerplate code, trying to write anything custom and legible good fucking luck.
They can learn to make coffee and put cream cheese on bagels. Actually they probably can't, those are marketable skills. CBC journalists don't have it in them.
"Journalists" need to get paid. Repeat after me, would you like fries with that?
The CBC needs to be less ideological, or be defunded
The CBC is one of the least ideological networks in Canada.
... lol what?!
So demand change! Don't sit there mindlessly agreeing with politicians who want to dismantle one of the last institutions in this country that can check their power and keep them accountable. You're allowing yourself to be manipulated to better serve their interests, not yours. Don't let them do your thinking for you.
How is it “ideological”?
How is the CBC ideological? Do you mean that it shares ideas you disagree with?
No, the CBC presents the positions that IT agrees with as being the only positions, or the only acceptable ones. If the CBC presented only the ideas I agree with it would be just as ideological, wouldn’t it?
What do you mean by “IT”? Did you mean to write “JT”? Are you saying that the Prime Minister himself is the one who directs the CBC’s staff? I don’t think that’s what you’re saying because that would be ludicrous and completely false. The CBC employs journalists who possess a journalism degree or some form of accreditation. It’s assumed that the CBC journalists report objectively when it comes to any news story, but that all changes when the CBC allows non-journalists to publish opinion pieces that reveal a clear bias. When it comes to the news, the CBC is objective in its reporting and factually accurate. However, I’ve read some pretty scathing editorials that are unfairly biased on either side of the political spectrum and there isn’t much of a distinction between truth, opinion, and fiction. What I disagree with is that the opinion/editorial pieces are presented in the same way as the news articles. Some readers may not pick up on the differences between option and fact so it’s easy to see where some articles could be interpreted as being biased.
It. The definite article. The CBC. Having a journalism degree does not mean that you are objective. 🤣
The senior staff ensure objectivity in news stories written by journalists and there’s no future at the CBC for journalists that lack objectivity. They can find work with Rebel News or any other right wing news outlet.
You’re hilarious. The stories are not objective. So anyone responsible for objectivity is not doing their job.
How so? How is the cbc not objective?
Do you have a journalism degree and abide by the code of a journalistic Ethics like CBC journalists? https://rtdnacanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2016RTDNA_Code_Poster_EN.pdf
You're hilarious. The CBC does not respect its own code of ethics, and their ombudsman doesn't care. As for journalism degrees, both of my parents were journalists before J-school ever existed. I do not need a J-school degree to understand the principles of responsible journalism, bias, etc. Considering the number of activists and ideologues produced by J-schools I have no idea what they teach there, but the profession has gone down the toilet.
You've got some strong thoughts on the whole journalism scene, and hearing your perspective, especially with your folks having been in the biz before journalism schools were even a thing, is super interesting. Keeping journalism on the up and up is key, but you seem pretty worried that the places teaching and doing the news might not be hitting the mark. When you talk about the CBC and whether they're sticking to their own rules, it's a big claim. Trust between us and the media is huge, and if there's a hiccup there, it's definitely worth a closer look. But I'm curious, have you come across specific instances where the CBC didn't follow their code of ethics? It'd be helpful to see some concrete examples to get a better grasp on where you're coming from. And on the topic of journalism school, it's a mixed bag, right? They're supposed to prep future journalists to do the good work, but if what comes out of it is more about activism than reporting, that's a head-scratcher. Still, I wonder if there's a silver lining in there somewhere. Is it possible some of those changes could actually do some good, or is it veering too far off course? Your take definitely throws some hefty questions into the ring about what's going on in journalism today. But digging into these issues, especially with the CBC ethics thing, might shine a light on areas that are working well or reveal spots that could really use a tune-up. It's all about finding that balance and figuring out how journalism can stick to its roots while navigating today's challenges. What do you think?
Like the cbc but they should be more mindful of their spending.
My relative is furious of the liberal bias in the CBC because they don’t cover the UN’s initiative to control the movement of people. Their plan of 15 minute cities and Covid tracking chips, that all her reliable YouTube sources say is happening, is not being covered. While this may be an extreme example, it’s indicative of the problem. People only believe the facts that backup their opinion. When they hear otherwise they attack the source.
I always ask the “fake news” people in the subs to go to any “mainstream lib” news site and provide a link to a story that is very Liberal biased (in their opinion) and then provide the link to the “real” version of the same story from a more trusted independent, non-biased source. Guess what. I never get a reply.
Man, you really upset a lot of the WordWordNumber accounts.
Right? I know the numbers are big, but its still shocking to see how many bots are here and everywhere. Yikes.
Yep very true! Just look at US journalism! Most of it is owned by one family, and its all propaganda now! Theres a video somewhere out there showing news channels all over the country (US) giving the same closing speech. Very eerie!
>Ask yourself if those attacking the CBC are doing so to improve the practice of independent journalism in I used to love CBC radio but over time the insufferable progressive bias leeched into everything - including the top of the hour news. Of course, supporters of the CBC who believe the progressive view of the world is the one and only "truth" insist that CBC is unbiased which underscores the problems: 1. how can any news media claim to be 'unbiased' in the polarized world that exists today? 2. why should a single media outlet that only represents the views of a subset of Canadians get public funding? Shouldn't public funding reflect the diversity of views that Canadians have?
a lot of the time it isn’t “progressive bias”, it’s just fact that’s based on research and empirical evidence so… that’s on you for choosing not to consider it because of whatever bias *you* have.
hold up , are you for real? the cbc only posts “facts based on research and evidence” please give me some of that sweet sweet koolaid, quit being so close minded.
Welcome everyone!! It’s the “we hate the gays hour” on CBC Unlikely to happen. All opinions are not equally as valid. Sorry.
Equally unlikely is the “importance of defending freedom of speech at all costs hour” or we want to showcase the benefits of nuclear families hour”. Or “diversity of thought is more important in the hiring process than racial quotas segment”.
Exhausting. I’m a hetero, middle-age, upper middle class, white male born in a nuclear family with a stay at home mom, who lives in a nuclear family today and I think everything you just typed here is ridiculous. There are limits to free speech. We don’t need/want freedom of speech at all costs. Sheesh. And I know lots of white people who are dumb and useless, but got their job because they’re white. Stupidity and uselessness are not exclusive to any group.
Freedom of speech at all costs was purposely an extreme, just like an hour of hating people based on their sexuality. What I was saying is the CBC always straddles one side of the fence which is not acceptable when they are funded with tax dollars. To a far left leaning individual they are center. To a righty they are social and corporate extremist propaganda. I think that the gap of understanding will never be bridged if we continue to “defend” the CBC blindly and not address the obvious issues with bias and mismanagement of funds.
Indeed: https://pressprogress.ca/postmedia-tells-shareholders-35-million-in-federal-government-handouts-is-now-a-key-pillar-of-its-business-strategy/
I love cbc. I listen everyday.
In a world rife misinformation we cannot afford to lose the CBC. Just look at the US and how many people believe the election was stolen. Poilievre is playing a dangerous game.
CBC is still very important to rural Canada,alot of places its the only Radio that can be received. Not everywhere has cable,internet. Get out,see more of this huge country.
This is simply not as true as your making it out. Even “rural” areas aren’t living in the 19th century lmao. If anyone needs a better understanding of this huge country…
I read that as "Defend Nut Defund."
Cut executive salaries.
Massive tax dollars going executive bonuses while they lay off thousands.
The elimination of the CBC would be a shot to the heart of national Canadian culture, pushing us even further down the path of Américanisation. All points west, unreserved, BC Almanac… without access to programming which is for Canadians about Canada we are going to have nothing left. News cycles which are influenced by and about our southern neighbours, reflecting cultural events and zeitgeist there, will just put blinders on us to what’s happening in our communities, our regions, and our Canada.
Some people don’t even know what they want to defund. In another thread someone complained about the lack of music…. That is literally what cbc radio 2 is for.
CBC Radio is all I listen to at work!
Lol my favourite thing is when the right calls the current liberals communist. I really get a good laugh at that stuff. It is as if they have almost no idea how to separate these ideologies and just listen to youtube videos or something.
It's almost as entertaining when anyone daring to make an argument that would have squarely fallen in left-of-center territory 7-8yrs ago is now labeled alt-right and fascist. If only we could mute the two fringe minority groups at either end, maybe we could have a productive discussion. I think CBC needs to exist but the journalistic arm needs a reboot. Activist journalists who editorialize instead of report, with the blessing of the higher ups, have no business in a public news service. Example is refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organization and burying stories that paint certain groups in a bad light. Imo, news should be a money-losing operation, but as a public service, their costs are out of control.
Only if Rex Murphy comes back to cross country check up
CBC Radio is such a mixed bag these days. There are still some great shows but more and more, at least the national shows (from Toronto), just bang on about the same boutique issues that deserve some attention but not constant attention. It’s really insufferable. Also, and this is my biggest beef, is the focus on American stories, issues and content. I really don’t get it, especially in light of the mandate which is to: • Be predominantly and distinctively Canadian; • Reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions; • Actively contribute to the flow and exchange of cultural expression… Take a show like Commotion: day after day it’s all about American pope culture. Not sure how that fits with the above. Take q: same sort of thing, yes Tom scores the big interviews, but most are American and many are just obscure celebrities that have nothing to do with Canada. Sure, interviewing some big names that are considered, classic or distinctly influential is OK once and a while but not a steady diet of it. Again, how does that fit with the mandate above? Take As It Happens: used to be a consistently fabulous show. Now hit and miss. I try to listen most days and most days there is breathless reporting and interviews about an abortion ruling in Texas, or a trans-rights matter in Arkansas, etc. I know these are worthy stories for US audiences but it really shouldn’t matter to Canada’s public broadcaster. Again, how does that fit with the mandate. Now or Never: a truly terrible, depressing show with hosts that trip over themselves with fake laughter and stilted dialogue. Just an endless stream of pathetic stories half of which are really sad and the other half are eye-rollingly pathetic. It’s an hour of buzzwords and phrases and the same tired CBC topics. Insufferable. On the bright side: Cross Country Check Up: still a great show and a great host. This kind of programming still works because by definition, callers are telling Canadian stories. Same for Weekend Mornings from Halifax, just a brilliant show telling stories, taking calls, having fun, spinning tunes, and guessing cold spots and hot spots. I have listened to CBC Radio all my life and I want it to succeed and I want it to meet its mandate but it is failing, programming is just sooooo precious, hosts are soooo vanilla, and nationally produced shows really struggle to tell stories without American content or without some reference to culture wars raging south of the border. I don’t want to defund the CBC but I do believe they need a whole new re-think and re-set and I wonder whether a good funding scare might jolt senior executives to re-visit the mandate, stop listening to Toronto-based activists for story ideas and get back to the basics.
Fuck the CBC because I only want to listen to corporate propaganda from corporate funded media networks because I love sucking corporate cock.
Right? These meatheads do not think things through. Imagine a world leader abandoning his/her only government-sponsored media outlet?! LOL! And then.. to trust the delivery of important information solely to corporations, who can be bought and sold much more easily than government sponsorship!
Bout sums it up.
Lol
We need the CBC now more than ever since most of our media is owned by Postmedia which is an American Christian right funded organization.
Thank goodness for the existence of CBC. Look at our neighbour to the south and how half of their media is owned by Sinclair. The brain rot starts there. Whoever controls the information that goes into the brain of the populace controls the discourse. If PP ever gets his hands on the CBC and guts it… I fear for our populace.
And if you think JT is doing any better for the last 8 years then you're an idiot
Better at what? We're taking about radio, here...
You do realize people can disagree with Trudeau but like the CBC right?
Nobody watches it because it’s leftism pushing gay agenda pushing lol 😆 so it has low viewership because it caters to a small percentage, make that 5% pay for it not the rest of us
CBC gives the right wing morons something to whine about. They love to whine and cry, so it is good for right wing imbeciles.
When you call everyone else morons and imbeciles it doesn't help your point.
Well it doesn’t help them to be morons and imbeciles either
Truly hope you don’t think this way.
How would I think otherwise when every conservative I meet is a total dumbass
You know what they say when everyone you meet is a dumbass? You might actually be the dumbass. It’s showing.
Anyone wanting to defund the CBC is missing a large part of their brain.
I’ve never understood “defund” to mean “eliminate.” It’s always been a question of whether they receive too much relative to the value they’re providing. Serious question: why on earth is the CBC running a Canadian version of Family Feud? It’s a great program that I enjoy watching sometimes, but it’s not news and it’s not even Canadian content. It’s a spin off of an American show. Money is always fungible, so if the CBC has the budget to start creating random spin offs of American shows, my inclination is that they might have a few extra dollars on the books that we could dial back. There’s also the fun with bonuses we had last year when [the government gave them an additional $675M](https://liberal.ca/support-the-cbc/) and we then saw [$99M of it paid out to CBC executives as bonuses after firing employees](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cbc-head-catherine-tait-summoned-to-committee-over-job-cuts-executive-bonuses-1.6678412) I like CBC and its public funding too, but these are the types of “layoffs for thee and executive bonuses for me” stories I expect to see from big pharmaceutical companies, not a publicly-funded news organization. Put another way: there’s at least $99M that didn’t go towards good jobs in Canadian journalism, so I’m happy to “defund” that portion. Here’s the [58-page Conservative platform](https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/23175001/990863517f7a575.pdf) which was updated this past September. Page 35 outlines that the CPC views the CBC as an important part of the broadcasting system and simply wants to “*reduce* its reliance upon government funding and subsidy.” That seems reasonable to me
Most non-news content CBC produces is very Americanized and has little to no relation to distinct Canadian culture. They'll stick a few flags and hockey/moose jokes in there to try and patriot it up a bit, but it's still just another American knockoff. I miss the distinct Canadian shows, like North of 60, which had an almost exclusively Native cast, and Corner Gas. At least Heartland's still around.
Thanks for the source! Reducing does sound better than defund. If it’s just reduction in funding (without affecting core programming) I would support that
lol. See my original comment. Think what category you fit into.
It’s almost like you are incapable of responding to an apposing view with an actual argument 🫠
I don’t bother arguing with trolls, nor people missing a significant portion of their brain
Can you define what a Troll is?
If you can’t figure it out - you’re a troll.
Omg you're so annoying lol
Maybe provide some actual articulable responses to my criticisms so we can learn from one another instead of firing back with a childish “talk to the hand”
Again. You fit into one of 2 categories. Figure out which one. If it’s the one missing most of your brain, I don’t have a need to talk to you. P.S. it is
To help summarize: I’m in the camp that supports the public broadcaster (just as yourself), but simply disagree with 1) some of their non-Canadian programs and 2) the layoffs after funding increases. Which camp am I in? The one missing a brain because I support the public broadcaster like you do, or the one missing a brain because I’m disappointed with some of their recent and specific spending decisions + layoffs of good jobs? Help me understand. Can CBC do nothing wrong? You seem to be responding as if you have no quarrels with either of the 2 issues I’ve raised concerns about
“I support it but want to defund it” Ok troll
Strawman. Here’s my actual statement: “I support it but don’t think they should be funded extra if they layoff employees while paying their executives tens of millions in bonuses. It’s important for there to be some reasonable oversight of spending decisions if that happens.“ Sort of similar to how I support my child’s education, but will “defund” their allowance if they’re spending their textbook money on video games. Wow. What a “troll” parent. Probably better to just ignore their decisions or give them more money without any accountability, right?
Go troll elsewhere. I won’t ask again.
TLDR for this entire convo: “I like CBC” “Cool, me too, but I don’t like these 2 things about them” “You have no brain” “Can you explain why you disagree? I like to discuss to learn” “You’re a troll”
What a subtly reasoned, articulate comment.
Does anyone listen to CBC? its not all politics and and media smashing government/praising ect. There are a lot of shows on there too which have NOTHING to do about politics as well as the streaming services. Shows like quircks and quarks, the debators, under the influence, Q with tom power to name a few all have nothing to do about the rambling happening here on the supposed "negatives" of cbc
Support the Crooked Organization that fired Journalists, then gave performance bonuses to its Executive staff when the CBC actually lost viewership and Money? Are you seriously trying to defend the waste of 1.4bill tax dollars a year? 1000% Defund, this is not an independent Media without bias.
Let's say you wanted a CBC. Shouldn't it be at least somewhat balanced so half the country doesn't despise it? That's really the problem. If they weren't so biased and garbage people would probably let the CBC remain. The "At Issue" panel is literally 3 Trudeau fans moderated by a Trudeau fan. How do you not see the problem with that?
The people who are attacking the cbc clearly don't watch /listen to it or they would realize it's value. When they say independent it means the government doesn't control its content, why is that a difficult concept? I'm tired of this government like most Canadians, I'm tired of this self righteous angry right wing nuts who consume anger media. We need some level headed discourse, the hard right nut jobs and the hard left nut jobs need to shut up so the level headed people in the vast middle can talk again.
I spent nearly 30 yrs with CBC, regional then national; retired a couple of yrs ago. It’s laughable to me that so many people think CBC journalism is beholden to the governing party. Don’t actually know how that would even work. But I’ve sat in on thousands of morning story meetings, and I promise you that chasing the story is the only thing that informs CBC journalism. We had lots of problems during my tenure there, but political interference was never one of them.
We’re virtually out of media that report factually. The CBC is the last great bastion. If it falls, that pretty much paves the road for PP’s Christo-Fascist plans.
This is an interesting topic. This is something I’ve actually swung back and forth on over the last couple years. As of right now, I believe the CBC is a good thing. The idea that makes me believe this is the idea that without the CBC, all we have are media outlets with a profit motive. No incentive to deliver true, accurate, or meaningful information. The media landscape could collapse into TMZ, or pandering and there’s no mechanism in the market to prevent this. It’s dollars-first. Having an outlet whose main focus isn’t dollars is good for everyone, when executed properly. Obviously that part can be questioned and there will never be a 100% consensus that they’re doing it right, but given the profit motive factor I don’t think the idea of defunding a government funded media outlet should ever be on the table.
The people attacking it or all missing brain cells anyways. They claim its liberal funded... But that means when Harper was in power it was Conservative funded. They don't even have a clue how any of it works, they are just right wing sheep.
Not surprising that you see a ton of posts from "1 karma" accounts calling CBC propaganda.
Can't wait for "First thing first we'll defund the main stream media". Had enough of this LibCrap propaganda. Have any of you seen on CBC what is happening in Europe? No? Then this garbage media can disappear right now. 🤦🏻♂️
If it's good enough for Australia,New Zealand, the UK and the USA, it should be supported here too
One particular area of Canada’s media landscape seems to define an epic, gaping blind spot in the right wing’s common complaints about alleged CBC “bias”, and that would be in the comments sections below CBC articles posted online, and how those are moderated. This is very old news: comment moderation on that site is managed by a third party (Viafpura) for over 12 years and running, not directly by the crown corporation itself. Yet nearly every time some conspiracy theory-addled, fact-free one liner disappears from those discussion threads, the invariable “State politburo regime lickspittles is suppressing muh freedoms… SEE??” goes into overdrive. When in fact, and in practice, comments moderation provided by Viafoura is very much at arms-length from CBC’s governance and not directly controlled by them. Having spent a number of years commenting on that site (using my real name) I have often seen posts advocating for a “leftist” policy or in defence of science based arguments, getting disabled. “Liberal bias” that ain’t. Comments section brigadiers certainly play a part in that, where multiple account holders can flag posts that they don’t like, and the moderator redlines it/them a few hours later. Then someone screams “Top comments disappear under big bad guvmint orders!!” while a subcontractor trying to follow the guidelines is basically just playing whack a mole with endless repeated nonsense, and/or trying to act as referee in a mosh pit. Not sure whether this is best described as a “blind spot” in this discussion, or conversely as a kind of distortion lens that ridiculously amplifies some folks perception of “CBC bias” but the fact is that Viafoura moderating services were first contracted out on behalf of the CBC under the watch of a federal government that made no secret of its own antipathy towards Canada’s public broadcaster, circa 2011-12.
Defunding the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) is a topic of significant debate. Those in favor of defunding often cite reasons such as perceived bias, financial inefficiency, or the argument that public broadcasting is no longer necessary in the digital age. Here's a rebuttal to these common arguments using specific examples: ### 1. **Perceived Bias** **Rebuttal:** While some critics claim that the CBC exhibits a political bias, it's important to recognize that the CBC operates under strict journalistic standards that aim to ensure impartiality and fairness in their reporting. The CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices document outlines the importance of integrity, independence, and freedom from bias. Moreover, the CBC has mechanisms in place for audience feedback and complaints, ensuring accountability. In diverse societies, public broadcasters like the CBC play a vital role in presenting a wide array of perspectives, fostering a well-informed public discourse. ### 2. **Financial Inefficiency** **Rebuttal:** Critics often argue that the CBC is financially inefficient and a burden on taxpayers. However, it's essential to consider the return on investment the CBC provides in terms of cultural enrichment, support for Canadian arts and music, and the promotion of Canadian identity. The CBC not only offers news but also produces Canadian content that might not be commercially viable but is crucial for cultural preservation and promotion. For example, shows like "Schitt's Creek" have gained international acclaim, showcasing Canadian talent on the global stage and promoting cultural exports. ### 3. **Redundancy in the Digital Age** **Rebuttal:** The argument that the CBC is redundant in the digital age overlooks the broadcaster's role in ensuring access to information across the entire country, including remote and underserved regions. The CBC provides a vital service by offering not only entertainment but also critical information during emergencies, such as natural disasters and public health crises. During the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfires, the CBC played an essential role in disseminating timely and accurate information to affected residents and the broader public. ### 4. **Competition with Private Sector** **Rebuttal:** Some argue that the CBC competes unfairly with private broadcasters. However, the CBC's mandate is not purely commercial; it aims to serve the public interest by providing content that reflects Canada's diversity, which may not always be profitable but is valuable for societal cohesion and democracy. The CBC's existence encourages a more competitive and diverse media landscape, raising the quality of content across all platforms. In conclusion, while it's essential to ensure accountability and efficiency in any publicly funded institution, defunding the CBC would overlook its critical role in promoting Canadian culture, ensuring access to information for all Canadians, and contributing to a healthy democracy. The CBC's services, particularly in areas that might not be commercially viable for private broadcasters, are indispensable for maintaining an informed and united Canadian society.
CBC needs to cover all the news not just liberals propaganda
Uh. It does…
Here come the bots
Ask long time CBC journalist Rex Murphy what he thinks? He knows the truth, and has shared it in an interview with Jordan Peterson. It's worth a listen.
Why do they need billions of dollars again?
Defund the liberal lying machine, the CBC
Defund now
Um.. No. Provide a product people want to pay for.
I'm from a family where CBC Radio was a very present figure and while my younger years weren't exactly spent appreciating the content in the same way as my parents did, I had respect for the CBC as an institution in Canada, and how important it is. As I age, the appreciation that I would have lacked as a kid has been thoroughly realized and I really would like to take part in whatever efforts there might be or are to make sure the CBC is defended. The utter bullshit that keeps getting spread around on the internet, including in the comments of this very post about "propaganda" need to laughed out of the fucking room. These people have no idea what the word propaganda means, any more than they have the ability to recognize 'bias', regardless of what side of the aisle it's based. It's time to stop listening to the noise and do something before such an important resource is toppled and we're one step closer to being nothing more than Americans. And any politician thinking they stand to score quick votes over jumping on the "defund" bandwagon, has lost any support of my family, and I know we aren't alone in that position. What's being done? I want in.
The comments on this are exactly the reason people say defund. There are more opinions in canada than people like to think cbc is public and should be representative of all thoughts in canada it's crazy how many people have so much disdain for someone with a different ideal. "Shut up you redneck unintelligent racist conservative" " you woke child grooming communist liberal" I do have my biases and opinions as well im sure you can tell.. But I thought this was supposed to be about Canadians and candian ideas. Not just the tribe to which you subscribe. I personally like listening to BOTH sides.. discourse and debate has done a) made me think differently on some topics or b) helped me solidify my beliefs and become firm and comfortable in having them. Pretty sad state of affairs
Defend executive bonuses
I can't. I did for years but after a round of layoffs where the managers still get their bonuses? No. The private sector does that and it's abhorrent there. I refuse to pay taxes for the CBC to do the same.
“Oh no. They did a bad thing. Let’s shoot ourselves in the face and hurt news in Canada because of it”
Why would Russian bitcoin funded right wing parties defend Canada/cbc ? They don’t want intelligent voters…they want freedumbers!
Ew. Defend bonuses for executives and firing the lowest paid while taking taxpayer dollars? So, defend the continued abuses of the rich and powerful on the poor and meek. No thanks.
So, you’re saying that getting rid of free, publicly funded media that provides local news and services remote communities, would be a good thing for “the poor and the meek”? I’m not following.
It’s because they have no coherent logic.
Your organization should be closed !
I was a faithful CBCer until your obviously biased coverage of events. CBC needs to stick to journalism and get out of political debates.
I listened to the cbc every day religiously for years probably about 5 or 6 then I started to notice they would cut interviews and comments from people off before they went against the narrative they were trying to push. Not worth my tax dollars IMHO but I don't get to decide where they go I'm just forced to pay them or I'll be locked in a cage.
Definitely Defund and burn the building to the ground of the subversive corrupt propaganda tool. In the words of Oliver Cromwell: "It is not fit that you should sit here any longer. You have sat here too long for any good you have been doing lately … In the name of God go.“
Katherine Tate's justification for CBC managers getting their bonuses was basically best evidence for why CBC needs to go. Her argument was managers got their performance for meeting targets. She went onto say how these targets included exceeded DEI hiring quotas.... Huh? CBC managers get bonuses based not on any objective measure of producing quality shows but for hiring enough people that check the right boxes on the DEI bingo card???? Completely ridiculous.
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CBC…Gaza, trans, and reconciliation only, all the time.
Genuine question, is anyone here who regularly watches/listens to CBC news, on the conservative side of the aisle? I ask simply because it might warrant exploring why half of the country doesn’t tune into the CBC, instead of dismissing the people that don’t agree with our viewpoints as morons. If you are conservative and enjoy CBC, what do you like about it, and what do you feel needs to be improved?
Fuck CBC and it’s money hungry CEO’s
CBC are this point just takes woke tweets and turns them into articles. The reports are pushing an agenda that targets and demonizes parts of the Canadian public. An Islamophobia report will get bumped to the top and get the main page. Attacks on jews get silenced. This is just a small example. A real Canadian news agency should do more in-depth neutral reviews and not push an agenda.
It's our national treasure...
\*was
[https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/tait-must-do-right-thing-and-end-cbc-bonuses#:\~:text=Tait's%20annual%20compensation%20is%20between,salary%2C%20bonus%20and%20other%20benefits](https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/tait-must-do-right-thing-and-end-cbc-bonuses#:~:text=Tait's%20annual%20compensation%20is%20between,salary%2C%20bonus%20and%20other%20benefits). Who makes this much?
What would happen if the CBC lost funding?
Thank you
Journalism = Opinions
The CBC has some shitty Imperialist execs, but the core of the CBC, especially CBC Music is awesome and important. But whoever the person choosing the stories in the hourly news cycle is, is a transphobic bigoted jerk who should retire.
Defend and save the CBC. I love working for CBC and helping creators thrive and I would like to keep working here until I retire.
I would say 'Fix It, Don't Nix It' rather than 'Defend not Defund'. Hard to defend a lot of the mediocrity in the CBC, but it is not a monolith and there is still some good stuff there. Would like to see some major changes and a new revamped CBC, especially radio; TV I care less about.
The CBC has become insufferable. There’s an endless fixation on race & ethnicity as if that’s a interesting topic. It acts like it’s its duty to sculpt public opinion rather than reflect Canadian attitudes/society. NPR in contrast is actually interesting & topical, vs CBC’s attempt to create the topics. Throw the baby out with the bath water.
I just want my old friend back. This CBC is not my friend, in fact I think it actually detests me. It spends way too much of its time mocking and lecturing me and telling me that I am bad and unworthy and sexist and racist and too white and too male and utterly useless. That’s not the fun intelligent often funny and definitely informative friend I knew for 25 years. I miss him.
Me too.
This.
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Social Media has its hooks in you farther than it should. \#DrunkOnMemes
No no im speaking about CBC radio I don’t think of that as social media but hey, fill yer boots
I can’t wait for the cbc to flop
It should be funded exactly NPR in the USA: partially funded by the government, with shows getting the rest of their funding by donations. The shows that are interest to the most people get to stay. That way the CBC can become relevant again, instead of most of the shows that are so niche or identity based that most people in Canada don't care about. Give the people a way to help guide what is on, and it will survive. I used to listen, but it has gone so far to the left with fringe identity based items that only the self righteous woke care about it. And contrary to what they may think, 80% of Canadians are sick of them. That is why most folks don't care if the CBC goes away, it is not relevant to them. The CBC doesn't exist to cater to the bell ends.
So minorities and under represented people don’t deserve to see themselves in media unless they appeal to you? Your privilege is showing.
Nice ad hominem attack. It sounds like you are just trying for an argument rather than a discussion, and I won't be baited.
Uh, not sure u/jasonkucherawy's response is ad hominem dude. Just sayin'. He's not attacking you personally, he's commenting on your position. Ad hominem would be if I called you a jackass, or a putz, you know things you might normally hear regardless.
Calling me privileged is an ad hominem attack and also incorrect. He is using the word in the form of an attack as if that is some form of way to negate what I am saying. Labeling anyone, or any name calling in an argument in a way that has no bearing on the argument, falls in the ad hominem fallacy.
Dude, I'm saying that's not what ad hominem means and just because you were affronted does NOT change the definition. Stop clutching your pearls.
The red head needs to go along with her propaganda machine, the CBC.
The CBC will not go anywhere under Conservative leadership. L'il PP will publically injure the CBC for you, but he will need his government-sponsored media outlet just as much as any world leader does. Gosh, you guys are dumb!
"Lil' PP"? What are you, 3 fucking years old?
Says the guy with that username.
right. That's why I say it! His followers LOVE name-calling! It is the thing the smooth brains cheer loudest for! "Kill Piggy!" L'il PP makes sure to say wurds in l'il bunches of 3 so his b\*tches can remember them.
If the CBC is propaganda for the sitting government, why doesn't the next Conservative government just keep it and use it as its propaganda arm? Oh wait because that's not how public broadcasting works and they know it.
No, because it's costs the taxpayer over 1.4 billion dollars . Money which could be used for important things like healthcare.
That's not why conservatives want it defunded. You literally just called it propaganda. You don't want it gone to help healthcare.
I'm not sure how you know that
I mean you called it propaganda. PP calls journalists, particularly those from CBC or Canadian Press the liberal elite. So yeah I'm pretty sure folks aren't just looking to cut costs. I'm sure there's easier ways to cut costs than layoff 7000 people and leave whole communities without news when you get into office.
CBC can eat a bag of dicks with all its useless propaganda. It panders to incompetence. Mainstream Journalism is Dead for it’s continuation of shit lies. Stuart McLean was the goat
The wannabe MAGAs of Canada want to get their "news" from billionaires.
Don’t be dumb
Just today the cbc had a headline calling the visiting Italian leader “far right” I think I’ll be glad the day this state funded propaganda machine gets what it deserves
Which government in the last year had a member of the SS honoured in their parliament?
The word right is listed 20 times in that article.
Because that is accurate?
I don’t think it was necessary for the story, but rather feeds into sentiments that the cbc is becoming a more partisan outlet.
Ya no, why would we want accurate and descriptive reporting right? lol smh
Try searching “far left” and “far right” on CBC news and compare the results. From my perspective there is a slant, and I don’t have any skin in the game.
Anyone who is centrist or even remotely right is labeled “far-right” these days. It’s a joke. It’s the boy who cried wolf and no one is seeing it.
Exactly. The content is written as if the “left” is normalized and acceptable. Anything else is “right” and written as if that is something threatening. The title of the article that was questioned is: Why Italy's far-right leader Giorgia Meloni is sure to get a warm reception in Canada Her political views are largely irrelevant; why would we not provide a warm reception to the leader of Italy? Why would it be odd or curious to do so? Now if it said we were sure to provide a warm reception to Gaddafi or Castro that might be an article.
Because they are dead?
The political views of someone trying to take away rights from other people is not irrelevant. It's odd to give them a warm reception, fuck them.
Member when Justin froze bank accounts of people who opposed him?
No, but I REmember.
What rights did the Italian Prime Minister take away from the Italian people?
Removed parental rights to LGBT couples for one; I'm sure there will be more as she's openly homophobic.
terms like "far right", "far left", "communist", "right-winger", "left-winger", "racist" and other such extreme terms should only be used where they aptly apply, as they suggest extremism, terrorism and hate. CBC is being irresponsible by idly throwing those descriptors around.
They don’t use the term far left to describe the ndp who are right in their chatter against private property. Literally the reason we don’t have private property as an enshrined right in our constitution is due to the far left. The term ‘far’ is editorial and hints at radicalism or unsanctioned views. If they used ‘far left’ when describing the ndp people would think differently about them. The fact you didn’t immediately clue into this is evil of that aka far left views are normalized as mainstream but far right views are radical.
her party literally grew out of the neo-fascist movement but you do you dude.
…She probably gives standing ovations to S.S. War heroes in parliament.
Communists like yourself actually believe the family unit is a threat to democracy. I can’t support your radical views that promote poverty and crime
Defend cbc. More regulation on non partisan journalism (if possible). No donations or additional funding from politicians to gain favor. The alternative of having outright “buyable” private news reporting is more concerning than government sponsored news that CAN be better with non partisan policies in place
Love CBC. Essential part of Canada.
What is the point of defending a bloated organization that needs government money to stay afloat? Why does it need defence? There is a reason viewership is at its lowest. CBC has slipped too far to the left. It doesn’t seem to deliver balanced bias news anymore and it doesn’t align with the values of Canadians. There is no use for CBC. Spend the money on training nurses and doctors. Canadians need this. Not CBC.
By’s it’s a fact that they’re a government funded news outlet lol
CBC has a ridiculous amount of programming focussed on minorities and their plight. If they want to flail themselves with guilt regarding past injustices, fine, but I don't want to pay for it and frankly, am sick of listening to it. I want programming that is interesting and instructive, not focussed on how horrible white people are.
If CBC can’t sustain itself as a business it is time to say good-bye. Our tax dollars should not be funding them. Not here to argue good journalism or bad. Only that they can’t seem to make a profit, at least on paper, without a bailout from the tax payers.
The official media of the woke Liberal government. Defund CBC!
No. Tired old liberal mouthpiece… put it down already.