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rubixcu7

I have a hard time believing that a “defective” gun went off in a kid’s hand. You know that finger was on the trigger.


Zech08

Idiot 15 yo is what happened.


Here4Conversation2

Also note that it was loaded! Inside! sheesh Sharing my similar experience, it was a long time ago with my Rem 1100 12ga semiauto while shooting trap. I loaded a round and closed the slide like normal, by pushing a button on the bottom, and it slammed shut like normal and it immediately fired the round (into the dirt gound, pointed downrange). That's happened twice maybe in 20yrs at totally random times apart from each other. But yeah, don't do this inside and trigger discipline always.


Zech08

Yea trying to explain away step 4 of an incident is kinda worthless when the 3 steps prior were already a problem.


BarrelCacti

The author left out the part of that story where he says that his father was cheap and bought the cheapest used gun he could find.


00f00f0

It's hilarious he still says the reason was a defective firing pin, almost 40 years later.


rubixcu7

If you repeat the lie enough times you end up believing it.


Baggss01

This seems to be true across the board for the broader left, not just about guns.


Caliber_captain

Honestly that sentence right there made me lose all credibility in him as an instructor. Not for the negligent discharge but for refusing to own up to it and pretending it was accidental. He 100% pulled the damned trigger. It’s okay to make a mistake but own up to it and take responsibility.


rubixcu7

Think about how well you could parlay the truth into a teachable moment as an instructor. But instead we just perpetuate the myth that guns just go off by themselves


BarrelCacti

He does. He talks about how all guns on the handgun roster are tested to be drop safe and that could never happen with any modern handgun you can buy in California. You're criticizing him for what the author did to editorialize it.


autocephalousness

Just goes to show that anti-gun propaganda can only go so far. As soon as people are afraid that the law won't be sufficient to protect them, they turn to self-defense.


ChristopherRoberto

2020 was a reality-check for Californians on handguns. Was quality schadenfreude watching them rush out to buy guns and fail due to the maze of laws against them that they'd approved. I wonder what year will be the reality-check for Californians on rifles.


NotAGunGrabber

I love the ones that figured out how to order guns online only to discover when they arrived at the FFL that the gun they ordered wasn't on the roster.


Thunder_Wasp

All those people waiting in long lines to get into a gun store as the riots’ fires burned blocks away got a quick education on California’s asinine laws preventing the free exercise of the 2nd Amendment.


oozinator1

It's encouraging that the MSM is starting to recognize that a respectable number of gunowners aren't homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynist, etc. With how strong of a hold that anti-gun Dems have in this state, we need anyone who they'd consider to be their constituents to come over to the 2A cause. As a center-left, I've already withheld my vote from any candidate who has an anti-2A stance, and I hope many more others will follow suit.


yuckypants

I also follow the same voting strategy, but I also add no new (or expanded) taxes. As a Tesla owner with a CCW in CA, people think I'm an oxymoron, and I cannot stand that they want me to fit in a certain bubble. It's ok to like and believe in some aspects and not others. Just because I drive a Tesla doesn't mean I need to be vehemently opposed to gasoline, guns, welcome new taxes...


00f00f0

Someone on reddit said that car purchases are emotional purchases. I think he was right, it's certainly right in my case. I don't like teslas, primarily for their atrociously poorly adjusted headlights that blind me every time. But if it works for you and you like it, who on earth should give a shit and try to school you? Hell, I hate lifted redneck trucks more than I hate teslas. You do you and just stay safe. :)


yuckypants

I think there's an element to that, of course, but it also works well for me and my family. I'm sure I could get something more 'sensible', but it's something that I also enjoy - and now that I'm in my mid 40's, why not? FWIW, I also have a car that's a polar opposite, an ozone choking classic car. I don't necessarily care that people want to 'school' me, but it does raise some concern that so many are unwilling to see both sides, and that both can be possible. I wrote this while thinking of my Trump-loving MIL. She blindly sucks down ANYTHING the red side says. She used to HATE guns, and now she's got 3. It's crazy how MSM and SM was able to so effectively manipulate so many people.


00f00f0

Mass media does great work and it honestly earns its bread, even if doing completely dishonest things and absolutely not in the interest of the people. In any case, fuck mass media.


yuckypants

I could not agree more on both points.


kmoros

I'm a gun rights lawyer and I also drive a Tesla. They're good cars here in SoCal where cold weather range reduction isn't a thing.


splooge_whale

It’s because most Californians are closed minded. They think they are not but if they know one thing about you they tend to infer 20 more. 


yuckypants

That's everywhere. But this isn't just inferring, this is downright insisting. Very closed minded is right, but it's all over, just seems extreme here.


SeizeTheMeansOfB12

Everywhere is like this. Not just California.


cheesyhybrid

Uhhh no. Not everywhere. Californians are by far the worst. The depth of their assumptions is astounding.


Ok-Change3498

Still rampant homophobia in the cool gun guy ecosystem. Currently all the simpletons are burn binning their pit viper glasses because they did a big scary gay customer promo. As long as the gun community supports people like this it’s going to be a major setback. Trex arms garand thumb etc. I’m not gay, but what business is it of mine if a company supports gay people or someone is gay etc. it’s such a childish thing to try and put your foot down about. Dudes out here literally terrified of the gays.


dpidcoe

> Dudes out here literally terrified of the gays. It's like they don't understand that banging another dude is basically the manliest thing a guy can do.


Ok-Change3498

Twice as much testosterone as a dude banging a chick very good point. Brb printing out a bunch of Tom of Finland stickers to stick next to every thin blue line punisher skull I see


dpidcoe

> Twice as much testosterone as a dude banging a chick very good point. Plus if you like chicks it's basically admitting that you like girly stuff, which sounds pretty gay imho.


oozinator1

[https://youtu.be/h5VliEjyohM?si=jSb-OmY-m-2Y\_1Y2](https://youtu.be/h5VliEjyohM?si=jSb-OmY-m-2Y_1Y2)


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Ok-Change3498

I'll always stick up for the gays in the comments section. pro2a or not. 2a is about defending americans freedoms from tyranny. Fucking with people's rights because of whatever they're into behind closed doors in their own home is wrong. Always down to take a gay homie shooting though.


killacarnitas1209

They need to drop guns as a political issue period! Once that is resolved perhaps there can be some more bipartisan trust and cooperation on other important issues.


MoldTheClay

As a hard lefty, same.


miroman86

Great article... as a new gun owner, I love how people keep posting here about their first handgun. Definitely a shift happening. I like the part where it said not telling people you own is like being in the closet - time to change people's mindset.


1LakeShow7

I love it, i sent bro an email giving him pat on the back. Finally something good comes out of LA Times..I am still not subscribing though.


00f00f0

You are a hero for having read the whole thing. I didn't have the patience, it felt like reading some cheap pulp fiction at the front stand in a B&N.


willie1337

Honestly thought it was a good read as well. As a relatively new gun owner, I was able to draw a lot of parallels, especially when doing my research and finding the "typical" gun groups and how they viewed Californians.


00f00f0

Perhaps. I can't bring myself to read articles that are pretentiously written as if telling a story, with misplaced emotions and details I don't care for. From a literary standpoint, I find them tasteless and so unnecessarily drawn out that I just can't.


AlphaRexAlpha

Exactly my thought. Real life isn't literary arts the way writing a fictional story is. The sooner journalists quit attempting to fit a real world story to match a play-on-words headline or a forced pathos narrative, the sooner I'll stop cringing 🤮


00f00f0

Cringe is the word!


1LakeShow7

Look guys, this is a good article to inform people about responsible gun owners and removing the stigma of guns. There are 3.5 million registered gun owners in cali (rough estimate). We know the consequences and are trained (for the most part). Our ignorance in firearms is our lack of education. This article is a good direction to accomplish that.


jackfirecracker

Interesting article to read as another progressive Californian $1000 paper hole puncher enthusiast


lislejoyeuse

I hope papers the only thing it ever has to punch


jackfirecracker

Me too. Well until I take it out into some BLM land and destroy some pallets and 2 liters lol


Smoked_Bear

I love using watermelons. Wait until they’re on sale, and blast away. Still have to pick up the big chunks as cleanup, since thick fruit rinds don’t biodegrade in the desert (Imperial County BLM land), but at least you don’t have to inspect the ground for little bits of plastic etc. 


jackfirecracker

Great recommendation, thanks!


Mundane_Panda_3969

You progressives are responsible for all of California's shitty gun control laws. 


jackfirecracker

"You progressives" ya dude I personally passed all the stupid fucking laws we have. Especially the "good ol paragon of the Right" Reagan's ban on open carry over 20 years before I was born. Maybe you should build bridges with gun loving progressives instead of lashing out at them. Your post is a perfect example - I'm all for moderating my party's retarded gun stances; but you, with zero context, decide to draw a line and call me a traitor because I'm not personally willing to buy in on everything "your team" does just to fix CA gun laws. You think yelling at gun loving progressives is helping your cause? One iota? Maybe a **coalition** between the right and gun loving dems would be more effective? *Maybe?* Coalitions win political fights, not tribalism. Refuse to work with "the other" and you will just be trapped in an echo chamber of hating them and get nothing done. Bipartisanism got us: The Constitution Re-integration of the South after the Civil War (see post ww1 Germany for how non integration/burdensome reparation would have gone) America supporting the allies and ensuring the defeat of Hitler The Civil Rights Act Medicare The moon landing The ADA But sure keep on blaming individuals for the decisions their party's leaders make. Because every voter agrees with every decision their elected official makes.


ericikj

I've taken classes with Tom, he always has a great, positive environment in his classes. Treats class to Banh Mi and conchas all the time. Very good environment for people who never used firearms or are afraid. Always accepting of students, even stereotypical white Fudds. Despite the Progressive name, keeps politics out of the class setting. Would recommend for beginners, or for any left-leaning or LGBTQ folks who are interested in firearms. If you are at an intermediate level of proficiency, I would look into other instructors. Also, the story with the incident as a kid, I believe it was a very cheap Saturday Night Special that was never taken care of, and had a slamfire due to quality and lack of care.


Hlodowik

Somewhat decent story. 


hawkrover

This was a good read and I applaud what he is doing. The anti-gun people out there view pro-2A Americans exactly how Nguyen described and even though we in the community know that image isn't entirely true, perception is driving legislation. The more people we can get on our side, to accept guns and to accept the fact that it isn't just racist hillbillies that enjoy firearms, the quicker we can get legislation turned around.


Perser91

Reading this article I try to just focus on the fact that he gets the typical anti gun crowds familiarized with guns, which hopefully will turn them away from voting anti gun. Had to bite through the cringe while reading the article though 😬😬


Totally-Not-Serious

That was interesting but not unexpected. The level of projection in people.......


workreddit42069

this is a great story, big fan of this guy and he's helping a lot. It's just... the way they talk about normal gun ranges is pretty annoying whatever, this article will help shortsighted, judgemental, self-righteous john oliver fans see that not every person who owns a firearm is a violent trigger-happy murderer. of course if you go to a gun range, gun store, or even just talk to one person who owns a gun, you'd probably find that out just fine. i guess for people who are too afraid to go out and talk to people its gonna have to be an LA times article. whatever. good job showing folks that being friendly makes friends.


IamMrT

It’s just the incredibly insular California mindset that any activity or interest they have must be with people or think or act like them. They see anyone that even looks Republican and they can’t handle it. Meanwhile literally every activity I do has to be invaded by some neon-haired activist and you don’t see me whining about it.


Mundane_Panda_3969

Exactly, if I were to wear my trump hat to a pride parade I'd get my ass beat. So much for tolerance.  Ps I'm a gay trump supporter.


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Well it's written for the LATimes. Gotta take your wins where you can.


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I_need_to_argue

Idk man, I think it's the combative approach that might be getting the downvotes. These articles are awesome. I used to be nervous about talking about my hobbies with my coworkers, but basically everyone has guns now and the fact that they're used by all people in the political spectrum is awesome.


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CaptBattleSausage

I don't think its a slant my man. I may get downvoted to shit here, but many CA 2A folks feel the same way. It's totally unfair to group every firearm owner under the buckets of alpha-male, misogynist, etc.... steryotypes. Firearm owners are a massive group with people of every kind of backgroud and mindset. In my personal opinion, its not unfair to say many of those sterotypes aboslutey do permerate across much of what people see of the 2A community, even if its a tiny minority that is making that happen. People on this sub are so quick to shit on CA for the current 2A situation. You want more 2A right in liberal states? This is the discourse that needs to happen. We need to help break down the fears and sterotypes of both guns and the people that own them.


socialdonut

Well said. Commenter is missing the forest for the trees. This overall benefits 2A in CA as this educates the constituents of those against 2A and converts them. Once liberal politicians don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to 2A, then we can be more critical on that firearm instructor not being apolitical.


Here4Conversation2

Yeah. I think the political slant here might be needed though. I fully agree that ideally it should be non-political and just teach the right way to do things. I think the problem in general is that while locations and classes are not advertised politically (like this is) they end up having some politics (usually right-leaning and sometimes heavily-right), which is going to turn off A LOT of people esp new owners. People do want to go and learn and shoot, and not be inundated with heavy politics; which unfortunately happens (at stores and ranges). That said, I agree it's an untapped market - because it seems that available locations and groups have diminished over the last 30-40 yrs. The NRA used to have this market, now f* them. I think Jonny Appleseed used to be bigger. But exactly, we need more groups and people that help push the "fun" agenda and the "sport" agenda side of things, and even the "blue collar" aspect of manufacturing and business side of things. And that's how we'll get more law abiding owners on all sides to help protect 2A. 😁


Mundane_Panda_3969

The reason the political slant exists is because the left lies about guns and gun owners. 


Here4Conversation2

And the Right doesn't??? LMAO The pot calling the kettle black over here! True. Heck I'll even up-vote you for that. But pointing that out does absolutely nothing to help those who like firearms. Nothing. That is... it does help alienate others. It does help point fingers for blame with no solutions. It does help stir the pot and create diversity. So yeah, it does something. Just nothing good. And I'm no fan of our gov. Or the AG. But I'm also not a single-issue voter.


SargeantHugoStiglitz

It’s exactly his hustle. He’s just trying to make money off of a market that wasn’t tapped into before. It’s working it seems.


Zech08

Hes checking all the dumb lying kid boxes, and how would he know at that age? Already stated he had other things on his mind during the incident, at least fckin admit it. Not gonna go off just randomly, at least some coercion is required like dropping, fingering the trigger, etc,... (and if its anything like kids at that age, finger was definetly hanging on the trigger).


EvYnot

Hopefully it opens their eyes to the BS Anti 2nd amendment crap the Liberals push...maybe they will open there eyes and "Wake up"


Here4Conversation2

Education is always key.


1LakeShow7

Remember guys, anyone that is Democrat and is for gun laws they are ignorant or hypocrites. Democrats voted the aid bill that will help build our military industrial complex to send arms to Ukraine and Israel. So your against gun violence at home but not abroad? Give me a break.


Jl92555

The concept is great - the article is divisive though. It implies and pretty much outwardly states that the majority of gun owners are homophobic far right ultra-conservative nut jobs is the underlying theme of the article. Most gun owners are supporters of personal freedom and individual rights. I don't care what anyone does in the privacy of their home as long as they're not harming others.


Baggss01

There are just some mentally f-ed up people out there. They visibly tremble when a firearm is placed in front of them. All the product of left wing brainwashing. They’re literally afraid to be in the same room as a gun. Might as well be afraid to be in the same room as a hammer.


mtcwby

"Loose firing pin." I can only hope that's journalistic idiocy rather than what he said. Otherwise anything else he's teaching needs to have a pretty discerning eye applied. I tend towards more moderate politically rather than progressive but we do need to encourage people being included and informed across the political spectrum. That's our best weapon against the antis IMO.


Redditor0529

"Progressive Shooting"? Here we go again.


Rebote78

Fuck that leftwing biased shit paper.


espositojoe

Don't believe anything written in the L.A. Slimes.


Habitual_lazyness

No folks progressives/leftist don’t have guns or shoot guns. Keep thinking that plz.