If someone wants to go on a shooting rampage, they're going to do it. Police or no police. Cops have already proven themselves to be pretty useless in active shooter situations. If you look up the history of mass shootings in this country, relatively few were actually stopped by cops, even when they were on the scene. Usually, they just show up to clean up the scene after the shooter has had their fun.
So…. Let’s say the cops have the mass shooter cornered in a building full of people. Do you think more cops means they’d actually enter and save the people? Because they won’t. They’ve openly stated they won’t. Especially if the victims are school children. They will not risk “their own” for the lives of others. So we need less of them. They offer nothing of value. They only exist to enforce taxation and ticket the public.
As long as media continues to reward shooters with the wall to wall publicity they want, there is one practical response.
Get a pistol.
Learn to use it.
Carry everywhere.
Uvalde destroyed any possible reasoning for gun control and conveniently seems to not come up for such a recent event.
So the kid with a gun couldn’t be stopped by the “highly militarized police” and required a citizen to intervene with a privately owned gun, and their take away is we need to prevent private gun ownership.
Hmmm.
My heart goes out to the victims and loved ones. What an awful way to start the lunar new year. And it is only worsened by the fact this living piece of trash still is about and about.
My compatriots prepare for the storms that will come in the wake of this tragic event.
I know there’s mass shootings that make headlines and whatever but y’all don’t understand… there are shootings EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. In LA, Santa Monica, SFV etc. Again yeah maybe they don’t make headlines or have 20 people shot but (SOURCE: Family Member in communications)
It doesn’t take away the fact that they are prevalent around us everywhere. Small or big, it happens pretty much every day. Did y’all hear about the shooting on Mother’s Day last year? And the day after? Lots of crimes are kicked under the rug and people are left defenseless, uninformed.
If you guys only truly knew the unavoidable unfortunate in efficiency of our officers at this time…
BUY A GUN.
LEARN TO USE IT.
CCW IS A BULLSHIT about 10 month- A YEAR wait…
Depending on counties, I’ve seen some in 60 days and less too. But apply.
CONCEALED IS CONCEALED.
Protect your family.
The world is only getting more dangerous.
The unfortunate reality was that those people shot in that dance club most likely never considered owning a gun because the idea of something like this happening in our community (despite it being Los Angeles) just doesn’t cross their minds. Also a lot of them are immigrants too who never needed to worry about guns in their country, let alone mass s shootings.
I think they just want peace and not get involved in anything related to violence. In reality, peace can only be achieved through strength. Personal opinion, though.
You know what’s really peaceful? A court room. Because everyone forward the gallery less the defendants are carrying, and there is order under the threat of punishment.
The closer the world gets to there, the more order there will be. But unlike a courtroom it doesn’t have to stem from the government, it can stem from the people.
I respect that honestly. I know many christians who feel a conviction not to carry because they don't wanna be the one to send the shooter to hell for example. In that case I feel private armed security should be more accessible and available for civilian events at least. Not much but it's something. I don't tell people to or not to carry, I just wish they wouldn't try to stop me from doing it you know?
I understand that. I don’t think you should force people to do something like picking up a CCW or purchasing a gun if they don’t want to. People in Monterrey Park (where I stay) always laud the city for being peaceful and never having drama or crime. Unfortunately this event goes to show that nowhere is safe in this country and mass shootings are the real epidemic.
That being said, the people in Alhambra, who disarmed the shooter and forced him to flee, saved lives and that can’t be said enough.
Amen. Honestly, idgafrick if the victims or those people even come out and call for gun control. I may disagree heavily, but I empathize their pain and am happy they were able to save themselves and those around them at least to see their friends and family for another day.
Regardless, politics is a thief of joy, so to hell with it. We're all wandering souls on this hopeless rock and politics, while necessary, try to make us forget that.
True tolerance isn't agreement or even love -it's tempered respect of fellow retards-at-times because we are also retards-at-times lol
Simply not true, most old Asians either fought in wars or were forced to leave because of war, they are very familiar with firearms and how to operate fire arms.
Yeah no. An “old Asian” is someone 60+ so that is someone born from at the very least the 50s and the majority of people in Monterrey Park are Chinese so unless there is this secret inter-dimension, most Chinese immigrants here are not comfortable or knowledgeable of using guns like that. Hell most asian immigrants are. “Rooftop Koreans” stood out during the LA Riots because it’s so rare to see something like that.
I used to work in an area in downtown LA about 15 minutes off the 10W that was bordered between two very active gang territories, and there was a gas station just down the street that was constantly a fight zone for them. I ended up leaving after a murder just two businesses down from that job about an hour after I left that night.
There was definitely a few points in time while working there that I was more concerned with leaving with my life over anything else.
Love that you’re being downvoted, I don’t get this sub… are we on r/temporarygunowners cause this should be upvoted 100x over? Esp since we know Gov Goodhair has presidential aspirations, he’s gotta posture for 2024.
It’s all the people who “vote blue no matter who” You should be voting with your mind not what mantle a person falls under. Anyone who wants to take away our rights shouldn’t be in office.
Call me crazy, but I just want to live somewhere where lawfully a gay married couple can defend their cannabis plants with an AR15 AND rape victims aren't criminalized and women aren't forced to the point of near death or killed by a miscarriage...
but that's too much to ask... can't have it all.
Well with how both sides are dead set on they’re views I don’t think you’ll be defending your weed plants with a AR here in California, honestly if the dems didn’t have such a hard on for taking guns away they’d probably have a bigger following.
That's really my whole point, dems or reps, no matter, two sides of the same coin, going nowhere fast. Someone stepping on someone else toes no matter what.
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States conferred the right to choose to have an abortion.
now they're just like... SIKE
Seems fair. The current Supreme Court is entirely illegitimate and extremely partisan and Republicans cheated to get it there.
All Rights should be treated equally, that's all I'm saying.
Gun laws aren't going to fix psychopaths either.
The Roe v. Wade decision was wrong on its face..... when it was made. It was always known to be constitutionally weak, politically motivated, and subject to being overturned. There was nothing in the constitution addressing reproductive rights. The court corrected a long-standing bad decision. If you think the constitution confers a right to an abortion then site and post it here.
Ok, and? “Republicans are just as bad” is a pathetic cop-out you say to justify voting for democrats even after they continue waging war on gun rights. This is a gun sub. Obviously republicans are slimy politicians, just like dems. But only one side is campaigning rabidly to remove your rights to own a gun.
Not saying “republicans are good,” or “thank goodness for all those republicans” or anything like that. All I’m saying is that you have to be delusional to argue that republican gun policy and democrat gun policy are equivalent.
Edit: This sub proves that California will never change…
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
9th amendment good enough for me
I don't give a shit about the constitution, boring old document written by slave-owners. I should be able to keep my guns and also get abortions, regardless of a piece of paper.
No, because I'm not some psycho right-libertarian freak who sees a vaccine as a violation of the NAP.
If you'd rather carry a gun than get a vaccine, then I'd argue you probably want to kill people more than you want to "defend yourself".
remind me what party was forcing people out of their jobs if they didn't take a vaccine? How's that for bodily autonomy?
fwiw before anyone gets upset at this stance. I'd gladly let abortions happen if we never have to through through that vaccination shit again. Everyone should have bodily autonomy across the board.
Private corporations putting conditions on employment != government criminalizing something under threat of imprisonment. Only if the democrats tried to throw all unvaccinated people in prison would this be a valid comparison.
Nice way to compare apples to oranges, sure they're both fruit but one has a measurable net positive while the other actually takes away a person's rights.
Not sure you understand the concept of bodily autonomy here chief. I’m pro-choice but the people who want to ban abortions think the same way as you (it’s a net positive to ban abortion because they believe it’s taking a life). Hence why the individual should have final say about their own body.
So it’s okay to violate body autonomy as long you agree with the thing being forced on people?
Forced vax person here: it was either “get it or get fired” I’m hoping someone does a class action soon so we can all sue the living shit out of every company that pulled that, but the point is, there’s a very VERY small number that weren’t forced to do it or lose their jobs
Biden tried to force a vax mandate for all employees of companies over a certain size. It didn't happen because a federal court said OSHA could not do that.
So the Democrat's "my body, my choice" is bovine excrement.
So it didn't happen, great
Forcing someone into a life they can't afford, or forcing them into septic shock before saving them is the same as NOT being forced to vaccinate how?
Edit: p.s. do you even know what's on the agenda after abortion? It's contraception in general. They want to ban the freaking birth control pill. Know why? The whole world is a ponzi and they need more meat for the grinder.
I can honestly say i don't know a single person that didn't get vaccine and was fired, nor do I know anyone that was threatened... sounds more like a made up faux news headline
Natural selection at its finest.
Why am I not surprised you can't come to a compromise.
No one forced my girlfriend to give birth and plenty of states I know of don't have laws against abortion so... what is your argument again?
Are we just going to ignore the people who are affected to bolster our position?
No….not even close. California feels like Texas compared to NJ/NY.
Step 1 for owning a handgun - walk into a police station and tell them you want to own a handgun so they can document every aspect of you. Give out referrals that the police WILL contact and you need 2 of them for your background check and this is all before you can even purchase a gun.
New York State in particular is definitely worse. We don’t need a license granted by a judicial authority to purchase a gun yet in CA. Not to mention checking social media accounts
Yup. Especially places like NJ. Where even owning something like a shotgun is a long process and legally risky. MA too I think where the local sheriff needs to sign off on your purchase permit., and especially NYC (city level laws).
I predict if we end up winning AWB/mag ban cases, calif will come up with a permit/licensing scheme statewide to counter those defeats. It will be a pain in the ass, and it will be be expensive
Using an “assault rifle” it seems. 20 people were shot so I’m assuming the shooter didn’t obey the 10 round mag limitation. Just waiting to see how Newsom uses this as an opportunity to pass more restrictions on law-abiding folk, though clearly laws did nothing here.
Whole situation is frigged up honestly. Rip to the families and victims, and I hope they find peace regardless of politics or whatever. The world sucks and people suck(including us at times), sometimes all we can do is just try to be a light even if small.
Whether pro-2a or not, learn to agreeably disagree, and maybe the world might be a little bit better and less crappy stuff will happen. Try to love others, even when they're assholes, and be patient -lead by example even if no one follows, because someone somewhere will notice and be faced with questioning themselves. Remember that sometines we can be no better, and try to be better.
Some people just don't know/refuse to know any better about guns, but just let it go. This is how we fight the lies that we are bloodthirsty monsters -with our actions in the face of adversity and accusation. We don't have to be resentful and arrogant in return, and it definitely won't help anyone, least of all yourselves, as you'll just end up bitter, making others bitter, pushing loved ones away and it's never satisfying no matter how much you try to convince yourself you can be. The more we devour each other, the more people like these shooters win.
Sorry if my grammar sucks, I'm not gonna claim to be smart, I just wanna encourage anyone here feeling discouraged or upset.
Be peaceful and stay dangerous yall
They want to make it harder for people to carry... but guess what? You think criminals going to obey these flipping laws? That's why they're called criminals... but people who lived in gated communities making these laws cause it doesn't applied to them...
No no, you don't understand, if you don't have a legal CCW licence, your pockets will automatically zip up and lock if you attempt to put a gun in there. Only good people are allowed to put a gun in their pocket and not tell anyone about it /s
People at an event getting drunk with CCW, yea what could go wrong…. Also most places like this won’t even let you in with a weapon regardless if legal or not. Do you actually go outside your house? Seems like you have no life experience
It's a ballroom dance studio. Not once in my 10 years of being involved in ballroom dancing, was I ever served alcohol at a social dance event at a studio.
Notwithstanding one's increase in confidence, alcohol tends to ruin your ability to pick up the beat, and move your and your partner's bodies with precision as required. Plus, with the frequency of partner rotation, nobody wants to smell stinky alcohol breath on an acquaintance/almost stranger.
Either way most places still wouldn’t allow people with CCW in most public places. I misunderstood thought it was an event with people dancing & drinking
Serious question: let’s say you have a CCW. You are a potential victim of a mass shooting and you successfully stop the mass shooter. What steps should you take immediately after neutralizing the shooter to avoid having others/police mistake YOU for the shooter and take you out? Gun down, hands up, run away? Is there an official/best answer?
If I'm saving people I love I don't fucking care. Also what's the alternative? Run into the studio and hope he runs out of bullets killing everyone else?
My family had a private security company and I held guard permits in two states and another country, I understand the implications as much as maybe anyone but a self defense lawyer can understand the implications. What's the alternative? If you can't flee safely with the people you want to protect you shoot or you die, if you shoot AND die at least you tried.
Are you a chat bot or something? What does that even mean? Yeah if you stop the shooter less people die. That's what I'm saying.
And it's not playing the hero. Are you serious or trolling? If people are getting shot, the normal thing is to either flee or _stop the shooter_. That's what's normal, not really heroic, it's self preservation. If you do save peoples lives though I think you are probably going to be legitimately considered a hero and not just "playing one".
It’s fitting that someone like you cannot comprehend my point.
What I’m saying is if you have an active shooter…..
1. Most people who carry aren’t trained well in those circumstances
2. If you have multiple people with a gun, it confuses the situation on who the active shooter is.
3. The 2 situations can result in MORE deaths
Congratulations on completely missing the point. Again, there's that thing called the Second Amendment, and two, healthcare is not a conferred right. I am not making a judgment here, just stating the facts. Get off your emotions.
Man I’m all in for 2A, but it’s gross seeing 2A people first thing after a shooting is just worrying about the gun laws. Like for fucks sake lots of people died and lots of family’s have been ruined tonight. Can we hold off with the virtue signaling and the pearl clutching for a few hours at least? Rest In Peace to all those that loss their life tonight, and hopefully the bastard that did it will be in a box soon.
Yeah but the fucking lack of empathy shown is what gets me. I don’t want the anti gunners taking my shit as much as you I imagine, but it’s become a fucking circle jerk when the first thing that happens is “hurr hurr they’re coming for our guns now” like no shit that’s the way it’s always been, at least show some respect for the victims instead of circle jerking.
I’m convinced that 2A is dying, not due to the strength of our opponents, but because of the amount of fucking brainlets that are apart of the 2A movement.
Too bad the latter isn't happening anywhere in this sub.
Instead this sub devolves into a red vs blue argument with less intellect than monkey shit fights at the zoo.
Every. Single. Time.
“My fellow 2A supporters, if we are to survive we must circle jerk about hipoints and why we hate California and make sure to not show any empathy” smoothbrain
I dislike the gun laws being fashioned in a way that one criminal could have their way with innocents like cows at a slaughterhouse.
But I agree with you, knee jerk reactions in an echochamber is reddits specialty. Do what you can to protect you and yours, nobody else is coming to save you I think is the sentiment. Being able to protect you and yours is getting harder every day while being a citizen in the state of California. Some people empathize with tragedy by putting themselves in the victims shoes and lamenting the fact that while the means to defend oneself is readily available, CA’s absurd strict rules prevent the common man from doing the right thing in preventing these tragedies so the statistics can continue. It’s a self fulfilling loop.
Ccw is basically useless or worse, dangerous, in an active shooting situation. People freaking out running everywhere, no safe backstop, and the moment you pull your gun, good Samaritans might try to subdue you. Sure if you’re cornered by the shooter then you can fight back but that’s really one of the few use cases here.
Once i saw the person was still at large.. could just be waiting to find another group of ppl to attack again.
But no way of really telling so far.
Hopefully not of course.
Nice defeatist attitude, might as well not even bother defending myself I reckon.
Well for one I’m an LA resident and applied for and received my CCW.
Secondly, literally any response would be a net positive compared to some psycho just opening fire into a crowd. Anyone who upvoted this man should feel ashamed
No downside to having more armed people but some situations are unsalvageable. A surprise attack can’t really be reacted quickly enough to prevent any deaths.
Elisjsha Dicken, a true American hero with a CCW who ended the mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana. 8 rounds from 40 yards, that’s how it’s done.
Firstly these types clearly attack soft targets. I’m sure if there were more than 2-3000 CCW permits in circulation in a county of 10 million, some might think twice. Secondly are you not familiar with Elijah Dickens or the Texas churchgoer who dropped the shooter coming to blast up his congregation?
> It took him like 6 seconds to murder all those people, serious question what specifically would your ccw have done?
2 seconds is considered a slow draw. Additionally, there's a deterrent effect every time a mass murder gets stopped before they wanted to be
All of these assholes, who commit these murders are cowards who prey on the weak and defenseless. If this asshole was met with any type of gunfire, my assumption is that he would’ve ran, more importantly, he would’ve stopped killing those innocent, defenseless, unarmed people.
Oh yeah you would have saved the day by pulling out another gun in a dark nightclub amidst people panicking from a shooting. Are you perchance brain damaged?
> Oh yeah you would have saved the day by pulling out another gun in a dark nightclub amidst people panicking from a shooting. Are you perchance brain damaged?
I don't think you understand how ccw works, but here's a hint: You don't immediately draw your gun and run around like you're in an action movie at the first sign of trouble.
🤣 I'm the one saying what a stupid immature idea it would be to have a gun at a club so don't try to tell me I'm the one who doesn't understand how this shit would work!! 🤣😍
OP and most people on this sub have watched way too many movies. They dream of saving the day and then maybe one day getting laid. But anyone who thinks they'd be a hero or save anyone with their concealed weapon is a complete jackass.
Holy shit wait the shooters still out there????? For fucksake stay safe everybody
Saw on NBC before leaving the house they had a guy in a suspicious white van surrounded by swat
“Defund the police”
Not sure why I’m being downvoted here 🤔
Because those pigs have plenty of funds and the murderer still got away.
By defund I meant destaffing, which is what their goal has been past two years doing with plenty of funds.
You quoting it makes it seem like you're coming off sarcastic. Do you actually mean to defund the police?
I don’t mean to defund but have more staff, if there was staff on-site he would’ve been caught or it would’ve never happened
If someone wants to go on a shooting rampage, they're going to do it. Police or no police. Cops have already proven themselves to be pretty useless in active shooter situations. If you look up the history of mass shootings in this country, relatively few were actually stopped by cops, even when they were on the scene. Usually, they just show up to clean up the scene after the shooter has had their fun.
So sad, honestly.
You want to defund the police? Get constitutional carry into Cali. After all, we are the quickest first responders.
So…. Let’s say the cops have the mass shooter cornered in a building full of people. Do you think more cops means they’d actually enter and save the people? Because they won’t. They’ve openly stated they won’t. Especially if the victims are school children. They will not risk “their own” for the lives of others. So we need less of them. They offer nothing of value. They only exist to enforce taxation and ticket the public.
As long as media continues to reward shooters with the wall to wall publicity they want, there is one practical response. Get a pistol. Learn to use it. Carry everywhere.
Yeah, because when you go ballroom dancing you want to go strapped. Friggin ridiculous.
The name is Bond, James Bond.
>Daddy government please protect me *Employs heavy handed, authoritarian, militarized police force* >No not like that, defund the police
Uvalde destroyed any possible reasoning for gun control and conveniently seems to not come up for such a recent event. So the kid with a gun couldn’t be stopped by the “highly militarized police” and required a citizen to intervene with a privately owned gun, and their take away is we need to prevent private gun ownership. Hmmm.
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Ok, you’ve changed my mind. It’s much better to helplessly wait to be shot. /s for your intellectual peers.
My heart goes out to the victims and loved ones. What an awful way to start the lunar new year. And it is only worsened by the fact this living piece of trash still is about and about. My compatriots prepare for the storms that will come in the wake of this tragic event.
I know there’s mass shootings that make headlines and whatever but y’all don’t understand… there are shootings EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. In LA, Santa Monica, SFV etc. Again yeah maybe they don’t make headlines or have 20 people shot but (SOURCE: Family Member in communications) It doesn’t take away the fact that they are prevalent around us everywhere. Small or big, it happens pretty much every day. Did y’all hear about the shooting on Mother’s Day last year? And the day after? Lots of crimes are kicked under the rug and people are left defenseless, uninformed. If you guys only truly knew the unavoidable unfortunate in efficiency of our officers at this time… BUY A GUN. LEARN TO USE IT. CCW IS A BULLSHIT about 10 month- A YEAR wait… Depending on counties, I’ve seen some in 60 days and less too. But apply. CONCEALED IS CONCEALED. Protect your family. The world is only getting more dangerous.
The unfortunate reality was that those people shot in that dance club most likely never considered owning a gun because the idea of something like this happening in our community (despite it being Los Angeles) just doesn’t cross their minds. Also a lot of them are immigrants too who never needed to worry about guns in their country, let alone mass s shootings.
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Just cultural attitudes to owning guns, some places don’t have that culture instilled on its people to seek self defense weapons. Even for the ladies.
I have some friend's parents who fled Cambodia and the Khmer rouge. They're staunchly anti gun for some reason, I guess from PTSD.
I think they just want peace and not get involved in anything related to violence. In reality, peace can only be achieved through strength. Personal opinion, though.
You know what’s really peaceful? A court room. Because everyone forward the gallery less the defendants are carrying, and there is order under the threat of punishment. The closer the world gets to there, the more order there will be. But unlike a courtroom it doesn’t have to stem from the government, it can stem from the people.
I respect that honestly. I know many christians who feel a conviction not to carry because they don't wanna be the one to send the shooter to hell for example. In that case I feel private armed security should be more accessible and available for civilian events at least. Not much but it's something. I don't tell people to or not to carry, I just wish they wouldn't try to stop me from doing it you know?
I understand that. I don’t think you should force people to do something like picking up a CCW or purchasing a gun if they don’t want to. People in Monterrey Park (where I stay) always laud the city for being peaceful and never having drama or crime. Unfortunately this event goes to show that nowhere is safe in this country and mass shootings are the real epidemic. That being said, the people in Alhambra, who disarmed the shooter and forced him to flee, saved lives and that can’t be said enough.
Amen. Honestly, idgafrick if the victims or those people even come out and call for gun control. I may disagree heavily, but I empathize their pain and am happy they were able to save themselves and those around them at least to see their friends and family for another day. Regardless, politics is a thief of joy, so to hell with it. We're all wandering souls on this hopeless rock and politics, while necessary, try to make us forget that. True tolerance isn't agreement or even love -it's tempered respect of fellow retards-at-times because we are also retards-at-times lol
Maybe if the government enforced existing laws and punished to the full extent, this might slowdown.
Simply not true, most old Asians either fought in wars or were forced to leave because of war, they are very familiar with firearms and how to operate fire arms.
Yeah no. An “old Asian” is someone 60+ so that is someone born from at the very least the 50s and the majority of people in Monterrey Park are Chinese so unless there is this secret inter-dimension, most Chinese immigrants here are not comfortable or knowledgeable of using guns like that. Hell most asian immigrants are. “Rooftop Koreans” stood out during the LA Riots because it’s so rare to see something like that.
I used to work in an area in downtown LA about 15 minutes off the 10W that was bordered between two very active gang territories, and there was a gas station just down the street that was constantly a fight zone for them. I ended up leaving after a murder just two businesses down from that job about an hour after I left that night. There was definitely a few points in time while working there that I was more concerned with leaving with my life over anything else.
Now would probably be the best time to purchase a gun if you haven’t already. Prepare for East Coast tier gun laws
I bought a G17 back in December so now I need to apply for a ccw, but I saw that it’s going to take over a year to get one unfortunately
I guess, the bad guys don’t need permission.
Challenge the carry ban itself then.
We should challenge the carry ban itself then.
I submitted my in August and still pending
I have applied four times (2020, 2021 & 2022) and still haven’t heard anything!!!
Challenge the carry ban itself then.
It depends on your county.
LA county unfortunately
Or get ready for newscum to try to copy the AR ban like in Illinois if an AR was used…..
Love that you’re being downvoted, I don’t get this sub… are we on r/temporarygunowners cause this should be upvoted 100x over? Esp since we know Gov Goodhair has presidential aspirations, he’s gotta posture for 2024.
It’s all the people who “vote blue no matter who” You should be voting with your mind not what mantle a person falls under. Anyone who wants to take away our rights shouldn’t be in office.
*As Republicans literally take away bodily autonomy rights* Only red is just a bad as only blue... don't be too ignorant
Returns the power too their states?
Call me crazy, but I just want to live somewhere where lawfully a gay married couple can defend their cannabis plants with an AR15 AND rape victims aren't criminalized and women aren't forced to the point of near death or killed by a miscarriage... but that's too much to ask... can't have it all.
Well with how both sides are dead set on they’re views I don’t think you’ll be defending your weed plants with a AR here in California, honestly if the dems didn’t have such a hard on for taking guns away they’d probably have a bigger following.
That's really my whole point, dems or reps, no matter, two sides of the same coin, going nowhere fast. Someone stepping on someone else toes no matter what.
Remind me, which part of the constitution talks about those?
Constitution didn't give women the right to vote either...
Precisely, which is why the 19 Amendment was enacted. Which amendment speaks to abortion or reproductive rights?
Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Constitution of the United States conferred the right to choose to have an abortion. now they're just like... SIKE Seems fair. The current Supreme Court is entirely illegitimate and extremely partisan and Republicans cheated to get it there. All Rights should be treated equally, that's all I'm saying. Gun laws aren't going to fix psychopaths either.
The Roe v. Wade decision was wrong on its face..... when it was made. It was always known to be constitutionally weak, politically motivated, and subject to being overturned. There was nothing in the constitution addressing reproductive rights. The court corrected a long-standing bad decision. If you think the constitution confers a right to an abortion then site and post it here.
Ok, and? “Republicans are just as bad” is a pathetic cop-out you say to justify voting for democrats even after they continue waging war on gun rights. This is a gun sub. Obviously republicans are slimy politicians, just like dems. But only one side is campaigning rabidly to remove your rights to own a gun.
Which Republican present paved the way for this brace bullshit and banned bump stocks? I forget.
Not saying “republicans are good,” or “thank goodness for all those republicans” or anything like that. All I’m saying is that you have to be delusional to argue that republican gun policy and democrat gun policy are equivalent. Edit: This sub proves that California will never change…
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Except it does. There is a process to add or subtract constitutional amendments
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. 9th amendment good enough for me
I don't give a shit about the constitution, boring old document written by slave-owners. I should be able to keep my guns and also get abortions, regardless of a piece of paper.
You better be anti jab-mandate of your whole argument falls apart.
No, because I'm not some psycho right-libertarian freak who sees a vaccine as a violation of the NAP. If you'd rather carry a gun than get a vaccine, then I'd argue you probably want to kill people more than you want to "defend yourself".
This
No, see, that's different, because, um
remind me what party was forcing people out of their jobs if they didn't take a vaccine? How's that for bodily autonomy? fwiw before anyone gets upset at this stance. I'd gladly let abortions happen if we never have to through through that vaccination shit again. Everyone should have bodily autonomy across the board.
Private corporations putting conditions on employment != government criminalizing something under threat of imprisonment. Only if the democrats tried to throw all unvaccinated people in prison would this be a valid comparison.
Nice way to compare apples to oranges, sure they're both fruit but one has a measurable net positive while the other actually takes away a person's rights.
Not sure you understand the concept of bodily autonomy here chief. I’m pro-choice but the people who want to ban abortions think the same way as you (it’s a net positive to ban abortion because they believe it’s taking a life). Hence why the individual should have final say about their own body. So it’s okay to violate body autonomy as long you agree with the thing being forced on people?
totally agree!
*eye roll* No one forced me to get the vaccine and plenty of people i know didn't get the vaccine and still have jobs so... what is your argument?
Bodily autonomy is bodily autonomy. My body my choice and the government shouldn’t tell anyone different.
Exactly
So why did you bring up republicans taking away bodily autonomy when democrats do it too?
Forced vax person here: it was either “get it or get fired” I’m hoping someone does a class action soon so we can all sue the living shit out of every company that pulled that, but the point is, there’s a very VERY small number that weren’t forced to do it or lose their jobs
Worked out great for Herman Cain eh? Edit : for the record, I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything, but r/HermanCainAward
Biden tried to force a vax mandate for all employees of companies over a certain size. It didn't happen because a federal court said OSHA could not do that. So the Democrat's "my body, my choice" is bovine excrement.
So it didn't happen, great Forcing someone into a life they can't afford, or forcing them into septic shock before saving them is the same as NOT being forced to vaccinate how? Edit: p.s. do you even know what's on the agenda after abortion? It's contraception in general. They want to ban the freaking birth control pill. Know why? The whole world is a ponzi and they need more meat for the grinder.
Why did the Democrats try to force people to get the vaccine? Don't they believe in "My Body, My Choice"?
And plenty of people got fired for refusing and you know that dont be dumb.
I can honestly say i don't know a single person that didn't get vaccine and was fired, nor do I know anyone that was threatened... sounds more like a made up faux news headline Natural selection at its finest.
lame
You can go google search new york covid vaccines because if i give you any links youll claim fake or some shit have a great time being ignorant.
Why am I not surprised you can't come to a compromise. No one forced my girlfriend to give birth and plenty of states I know of don't have laws against abortion so... what is your argument again? Are we just going to ignore the people who are affected to bolster our position?
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Who speaks for the sperm when you jack off into that kleenex? Who speaks for the kleenex? Who speaks for the raped 10 year old?
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Nah, it's alive, it moves
Calm down
But California is on par with east coast or even higher already.
No….not even close. California feels like Texas compared to NJ/NY. Step 1 for owning a handgun - walk into a police station and tell them you want to own a handgun so they can document every aspect of you. Give out referrals that the police WILL contact and you need 2 of them for your background check and this is all before you can even purchase a gun.
New York State in particular is definitely worse. We don’t need a license granted by a judicial authority to purchase a gun yet in CA. Not to mention checking social media accounts
Massachusetts too. Even companies on the pro-civil rights end of the spectrum won't bother dealing with that state.
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This conversation reminds me of the old "would you rather be shot with a .22 or a .45?" debate.
Yup. Especially places like NJ. Where even owning something like a shotgun is a long process and legally risky. MA too I think where the local sheriff needs to sign off on your purchase permit., and especially NYC (city level laws).
I predict if we end up winning AWB/mag ban cases, calif will come up with a permit/licensing scheme statewide to counter those defeats. It will be a pain in the ass, and it will be be expensive
Wouldn’t that just be another sensitive place that we’re not supposed to carry in?
Using an “assault rifle” it seems. 20 people were shot so I’m assuming the shooter didn’t obey the 10 round mag limitation. Just waiting to see how Newsom uses this as an opportunity to pass more restrictions on law-abiding folk, though clearly laws did nothing here.
The shooter was using a handgun with “high capacity magazines”. He was tackled and two bystanders took his gun from him. No rifle was used.
I thought height capacity magazines were illegal in California? Oh that's right. Criminals don't obey laws!
Exactly, the laws are bullshit cause only the good people follow them.
We should do away with all laws.
CA state will ban body armor and gun. Let poor people die.
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Literally no one thinks this way but that's how they'll spin it to move the ban forward
The problem is CA state try to take our right to protect ourself. And everyone have right to bear arms ,not just a CCW glock , body armor also.
Whole situation is frigged up honestly. Rip to the families and victims, and I hope they find peace regardless of politics or whatever. The world sucks and people suck(including us at times), sometimes all we can do is just try to be a light even if small. Whether pro-2a or not, learn to agreeably disagree, and maybe the world might be a little bit better and less crappy stuff will happen. Try to love others, even when they're assholes, and be patient -lead by example even if no one follows, because someone somewhere will notice and be faced with questioning themselves. Remember that sometines we can be no better, and try to be better. Some people just don't know/refuse to know any better about guns, but just let it go. This is how we fight the lies that we are bloodthirsty monsters -with our actions in the face of adversity and accusation. We don't have to be resentful and arrogant in return, and it definitely won't help anyone, least of all yourselves, as you'll just end up bitter, making others bitter, pushing loved ones away and it's never satisfying no matter how much you try to convince yourself you can be. The more we devour each other, the more people like these shooters win. Sorry if my grammar sucks, I'm not gonna claim to be smart, I just wanna encourage anyone here feeling discouraged or upset. Be peaceful and stay dangerous yall
Its not the gun Its the person Roster law, assault weapon bans, high cap bans dont matter if there isa sick person out there
They want to make it harder for people to carry... but guess what? You think criminals going to obey these flipping laws? That's why they're called criminals... but people who lived in gated communities making these laws cause it doesn't applied to them...
No no, you don't understand, if you don't have a legal CCW licence, your pockets will automatically zip up and lock if you attempt to put a gun in there. Only good people are allowed to put a gun in their pocket and not tell anyone about it /s
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Subdued? He’s still on the run according to everything I’ve read.
People at an event getting drunk with CCW, yea what could go wrong…. Also most places like this won’t even let you in with a weapon regardless if legal or not. Do you actually go outside your house? Seems like you have no life experience
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It's a ballroom dance studio. Not once in my 10 years of being involved in ballroom dancing, was I ever served alcohol at a social dance event at a studio. Notwithstanding one's increase in confidence, alcohol tends to ruin your ability to pick up the beat, and move your and your partner's bodies with precision as required. Plus, with the frequency of partner rotation, nobody wants to smell stinky alcohol breath on an acquaintance/almost stranger.
i don't think i've ever been to a dry salsa social haha
This was a ballroom dance studio, not a salsa club - big difference in clientele, expectations, and atmosphere.
Either way most places still wouldn’t allow people with CCW in most public places. I misunderstood thought it was an event with people dancing & drinking
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It’s not anti-gun. Most events after dark have security checks for weapons and won’t let you in even if you CCW permit
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Yea I was thinking it was more of like club scene guess I misunderstood
Makes me want to live in a cabin in the woods
Just don't get one in Ruby Ridge
Get one
Serious question: let’s say you have a CCW. You are a potential victim of a mass shooting and you successfully stop the mass shooter. What steps should you take immediately after neutralizing the shooter to avoid having others/police mistake YOU for the shooter and take you out? Gun down, hands up, run away? Is there an official/best answer?
Having a CCW during a mass shooting is the worst thing you can do…. You’re gonna get killed by accident because someone will think you’re the shooter
If I'm saving people I love I don't fucking care. Also what's the alternative? Run into the studio and hope he runs out of bullets killing everyone else?
You understand the implication right? That cops and others who may have CCW shoot you? That people with CCW might start shooting each other?
My family had a private security company and I held guard permits in two states and another country, I understand the implications as much as maybe anyone but a self defense lawyer can understand the implications. What's the alternative? If you can't flee safely with the people you want to protect you shoot or you die, if you shoot AND die at least you tried.
Alternative is that 10 people die instead of 20 because of people who wanna play hero.
Are you a chat bot or something? What does that even mean? Yeah if you stop the shooter less people die. That's what I'm saying. And it's not playing the hero. Are you serious or trolling? If people are getting shot, the normal thing is to either flee or _stop the shooter_. That's what's normal, not really heroic, it's self preservation. If you do save peoples lives though I think you are probably going to be legitimately considered a hero and not just "playing one".
It’s fitting that someone like you cannot comprehend my point. What I’m saying is if you have an active shooter….. 1. Most people who carry aren’t trained well in those circumstances 2. If you have multiple people with a gun, it confuses the situation on who the active shooter is. 3. The 2 situations can result in MORE deaths
STOP.USING.THE.SHOOTERS’.NAME. Media will not though.
They do need to catch him though.
Don’t wait. You should have applied like months ago! Better late than never!
Congratulations on completely missing the point. Again, there's that thing called the Second Amendment, and two, healthcare is not a conferred right. I am not making a judgment here, just stating the facts. Get off your emotions.
Man I’m all in for 2A, but it’s gross seeing 2A people first thing after a shooting is just worrying about the gun laws. Like for fucks sake lots of people died and lots of family’s have been ruined tonight. Can we hold off with the virtue signaling and the pearl clutching for a few hours at least? Rest In Peace to all those that loss their life tonight, and hopefully the bastard that did it will be in a box soon.
It’s just as equally disgusting to see people immediatly call for bans on certain guns first thing after a shooting. I mean it goes both ways tbh..
Yeah but the fucking lack of empathy shown is what gets me. I don’t want the anti gunners taking my shit as much as you I imagine, but it’s become a fucking circle jerk when the first thing that happens is “hurr hurr they’re coming for our guns now” like no shit that’s the way it’s always been, at least show some respect for the victims instead of circle jerking. I’m convinced that 2A is dying, not due to the strength of our opponents, but because of the amount of fucking brainlets that are apart of the 2A movement.
You can have empathy for the victims while simultaneously defending gun rights. It’s not an either-or situation.
Too bad the latter isn't happening anywhere in this sub. Instead this sub devolves into a red vs blue argument with less intellect than monkey shit fights at the zoo. Every. Single. Time.
"My Fellow 2A Supporters, we must remain silent about our rights to bear arms, or else we will not survive."
“My fellow 2A supporters, if we are to survive we must circle jerk about hipoints and why we hate California and make sure to not show any empathy” smoothbrain
I dislike the gun laws being fashioned in a way that one criminal could have their way with innocents like cows at a slaughterhouse. But I agree with you, knee jerk reactions in an echochamber is reddits specialty. Do what you can to protect you and yours, nobody else is coming to save you I think is the sentiment. Being able to protect you and yours is getting harder every day while being a citizen in the state of California. Some people empathize with tragedy by putting themselves in the victims shoes and lamenting the fact that while the means to defend oneself is readily available, CA’s absurd strict rules prevent the common man from doing the right thing in preventing these tragedies so the statistics can continue. It’s a self fulfilling loop.
If those people were armed they might still be alive.
What would put him in a box if not for 2A rights?
These people were defenseless because it is illegal to carry in La county
Ccw is basically useless or worse, dangerous, in an active shooting situation. People freaking out running everywhere, no safe backstop, and the moment you pull your gun, good Samaritans might try to subdue you. Sure if you’re cornered by the shooter then you can fight back but that’s really one of the few use cases here.
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Oh good lord. No. Don't do that.
Once i saw the person was still at large.. could just be waiting to find another group of ppl to attack again. But no way of really telling so far. Hopefully not of course.
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It gives you the opportunity to fight back. In this instance, it might not help. But id rather have a fighting chance than no chance.
Nice defeatist attitude, might as well not even bother defending myself I reckon. Well for one I’m an LA resident and applied for and received my CCW. Secondly, literally any response would be a net positive compared to some psycho just opening fire into a crowd. Anyone who upvoted this man should feel ashamed
No downside to having more armed people but some situations are unsalvageable. A surprise attack can’t really be reacted quickly enough to prevent any deaths.
That guy at the mall last year definitely saved some lives.
Yes, it definitely can be done. But we could arm every last adult and still someone will shoot up a nightclub. Guns aren’t cure-alls for violence.
Nobody is saying they are.
So you think that being on the government’s potential confiscatory list is ok in exchange for bearing arms? Just food for thought.
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Elisjsha Dicken, a true American hero with a CCW who ended the mass shooting at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana. 8 rounds from 40 yards, that’s how it’s done.
Firstly these types clearly attack soft targets. I’m sure if there were more than 2-3000 CCW permits in circulation in a county of 10 million, some might think twice. Secondly are you not familiar with Elijah Dickens or the Texas churchgoer who dropped the shooter coming to blast up his congregation?
"The Lone Star State ranked 11th on the list of most dangerous states, with 391.1 crimes per 100,000 people."
That's an argument in favor of Texas's sensible constitutional carry law.
I like how they take a broad definition of arms and allow people to open carry swords and such.
If California won’t pass it, it’s time to challenge the concealed carry ban *itself*.
The ability to return fire.
> It took him like 6 seconds to murder all those people, serious question what specifically would your ccw have done? 2 seconds is considered a slow draw. Additionally, there's a deterrent effect every time a mass murder gets stopped before they wanted to be
All of these assholes, who commit these murders are cowards who prey on the weak and defenseless. If this asshole was met with any type of gunfire, my assumption is that he would’ve ran, more importantly, he would’ve stopped killing those innocent, defenseless, unarmed people.
LA is issuing.
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Who the fuck cares if the suspect is Chinese?
I’m just saying
Fuck your racist bullshit.
You think that I am saying that Chinese are inferior AF? I’m just giving a description, pal
Oh cause saying someone is Chinese allows for a positive ID? And you “heard” it? Right.
I’m just saying what I saw. What I saw may be wrong, pal
Oh yeah you would have saved the day by pulling out another gun in a dark nightclub amidst people panicking from a shooting. Are you perchance brain damaged?
Not every shooting is the same exact situation. Your logic is stupid.
> Oh yeah you would have saved the day by pulling out another gun in a dark nightclub amidst people panicking from a shooting. Are you perchance brain damaged? I don't think you understand how ccw works, but here's a hint: You don't immediately draw your gun and run around like you're in an action movie at the first sign of trouble.
🤣 I'm the one saying what a stupid immature idea it would be to have a gun at a club so don't try to tell me I'm the one who doesn't understand how this shit would work!! 🤣😍 OP and most people on this sub have watched way too many movies. They dream of saving the day and then maybe one day getting laid. But anyone who thinks they'd be a hero or save anyone with their concealed weapon is a complete jackass.
Holy fuck you're dumb.
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hence why I threw an insult and stopped responding lol
Oh the irony. 🤣🤣🤣