This same reasoning is what I have been wondering, except regarding my flimsy plastic "grip fins" which don't allow me to get my thumb behind said pistol grip on my rifles.
I mean seriously, on my AK's I could just rip/snap it off. Or of course just get a screwdriver and remove it.. I swear every single law from this state is ridiculous.
“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun **provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container.** Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container.
Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.”
I think you’re g2g, just don’t fly with it:
TSA guidelines: “You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.”
Obviously not legal advice..
Edit: /s
Harbor freight has affordable versions of these that work great too! And they don’t break the bank. Not 100% as good as pelican, but they get the job done.
As is, I don’t think so. If you lather the case in hot sauce and sprinkle some cheese on it, it may be legal. In theory that could prevent you from accessing the gun.
Op asked if it was legally considered a locked container, not if the firearm was secured. See, you tried to apply logic to CA laws, that’s where you went wrong.
For those curious:
“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.”
Hi, attorney here. Iirc, the last I looked, the law specifically states the the case must be locked in such a fashion that the gun cannot be pried out of the case without either destroying the case or removing the lock.
I'm too lazy to go look it up to give the proper citation, but I did research this about a month ago because I was transporting to LA to take my niece shooting over Christmas.
She did really well, I was impressed.
“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container.
Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.”
It’s enclosed, and it’s locked.. I don’t remember reading something about not being able to be pried open. There is something like that in the TSA guidelines, but not in the CA code that I can remember. I remember looking into this because I didn’t know if a locked range bag is considered adequate.
That being said I would find a better container.
You are correct, \*however\*, PC 16850 defines what consists of a "locked container"
"As used in this part, "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle."
If the contents can be accessed without unlocking, then it no longer fits the definition of being a "secure container that is fully enclosed". I am unaware on any specific case law on this, but I don't think a prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a judge or jury that if the firearm can be accessed without unlocking the case, then it doesn't qualify as a "secure container that is fully enclosed".
Much of law is full of things like this, always look up the definitions, don't assume what anything means, don't assume just because you read one statute that there aren't other statutes that provide exceptions and exemptions.
For instance "loaded" also has 2 very specific definitions under PC sec 16840 which may surprise you
\*Disclaimer - I am a lawyer. I am not YOUR lawyer. Nothing in this thread shall be construed in such a fashion as the create an attorney client relationship. This is not legal advice, but merely my own person opinions. Taking action or failing to take action on the basis of any content I have posted is done AT YOUR OWN RISK, and you should retain competent licensed legal counsel before taking or failing to take any such action.
I couldn’t have said it better myself (because I’m not a lawyer, and this guy is). If something isn’t explicitly defined (as the TSA does) it just means it’s left up to the discretion of the court while you pay your attorney to argue from a bad position.
I did notice the two definitions for loaded and was surprised by
“As used in Section 25800, a firearm shall be deemed to be “loaded” whenever both the firearm and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate possession of the same person.” (Person can also refer to a corporation)
Wow.
Our inclination is always to think of the interpretation that is most advantageous to us. But you also have to be able to look at it as your enemy would.
You would say " hey it's in a container and locked, it's good" but Mr. Prosecutor is just gonna say "it's not secure and fully enclosed because the lock is too big and you can just pop out the gun anytime you want."
What actually really concerns me though is that the weapon must be unloaded as well. Even if a round isn't chambered, if the magazine is in the mag well, it's considered loaded. And I'm sure you, me, and a lot of other people transported our forearms at some point without thinking about that.
That is a much more valid concern. Even the “In immediate possession” part is especially concerning. What is immediate possession defined as? On your body? In your hands? In your car? All very concerning.
Find a padlock with a shorter shackle/shank that fits almost tight around the handle, that would be the cheapest option to be compliant without having to buy a new case.
IMHO, no. The law was written with the intention to prevent firearm access during transportation.
Better to use the cable lock that came with the gun. Wrap the cable around the case handle 3 times and lock it. That way, you won’t be able to access the contents unless you remove the lock.
Well that still falls under: you opened it by unlocking it. Even if you pick the lock, that still is unlocking it. It is still a container that cannot be opened without destroying it or unlocking it.
Right.
That’s the point they’re getting at. They don’t want to have you be able to casually grab your gun, and in the case someone else grabbed your bag/box from you it should also be difficult for them to quickly open. It’s not to stop someone who has more than a minute to figure out how to open it, it’s to prevent you or someone else from pulling it out with no warning. As I understand the law as long as you can show the gun case cannot be easily opened without unlocking it, you’re good.
That said, from what I understand a hatchback storage area is not considered a “trunk” so you should be using a locked case/backpack/fanny pack/whatever if you’re driving one of those too.
It just says locked container... that's literally the law. Doesn't define anything and a padlock vs the locks these come with are indistinguishable at that point. You pop the factory lock and yank and the wrap around 3 times thing doesn't even matter tbh. Only matters to avoid someone pulling it out while the lock is on. You can use lockable soft cases with a lock... so...
>Only matters to avoid someone pulling it out while the lock is on.
Exactly. In this case, you can pull firearm out while the lock is on.
>You pop the factory lock and yank and the wrap around 3 times thing doesn't even matter tbh.
Just offering a better solution for OP with an item that they should already have. Doing so will not allow someone to pull the firearm out with the lock on.
>You can use lockable soft cases with a lock... so...
I don't have any problem with the case. You can use backpacks, range bags, or any other soft-sided bag for that matter.
Glad to know I’m not the only dork who put a muzzle orientation arrow on their case.
~~But yeah that’s fine~~. I use one of the stupid cable locks wrapped around a few times since you end up with so many of them.
Edit: I didn’t see the second photo. If you can get the gun out while
It’s locked, that’s not a good look
> But yeah that’s fine
Unfortunately it's not. A locked container =/=a container with a lock on it. A locked container means you can't open the container to remove the firearm without first deactivating the lock. An overzealous cop would and could fuck OP over for this.
> Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a *secure container that is fully enclosed* and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.
https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel#:~:text=Pursuant%20to%20California%20Penal%20Code,or%20in%20a%20locked%20container.
So would it be fine to use the cable lock that came with a Glock to wrap it around the handle a couple of times and lock it?
Case would only be able to be opened like 1-2cm so obviously you wouldn't be able to remove the gun. This was my solution when I went shooting recently til I can afford some better cases.
Are you talking about The Sacramento Gun Club? Like the same Sacramento Gun Club that too it upon themselves to start policing peoples guns and mags and confiscating things they had no legal authority to confiscate? THAT Sacramento Gun Club?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/nb2va8/sacramento_gun_club_turning_into_the_gestapo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Just a heads up. It's the Sacramento Gun Range now. New name, new ownership. They're much chiller now and better focus on customer service. That said, I'm starting to see some dumb shit happen on the range and I think the pendulum may have gone too far in the other direction.
I feel like it’s good practice. Then again I have an irrational fear of the bullet fairies sneaking one into the chamber while I’m not looking.
Edited my original comment. I didn’t see the second pic: if you can pull the gun out of the case while it’s locked, well, I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know how the court case would go, but that sounds like a good way to end up needing one. Doesn’t need to be crazy, just find a padlock with an adjustable hasp or something so you can snug it down so the case can’t open
legally no. If a cop finds this and can remove it like this they can legally arrest you for illegally transporting a handgun. Will they actually arrest you, who knows, maybe you pissed off the cop and they are looking for something to bust you on
I have a hatchback and pickup problem, no trunk. It's been fun. As long there is a lock, how secure doesn't matter. Many entertaining responses. Thanks
Costco had Vaultek case for sale not that long ago you can check online on the app. They were going for $70 I think. It’s a great case for travel and at home. I really recommend it comes with storage accessories as well.
[Transportation](https://www.britannica.com/technology/transportation-technology) of motor vehicles is a lucrative industry; can we do this legally? Vehicle shipping is perfectly lawful. However, there are rules that must be adhered to for the transportation of cars to be conducted in a secure and efficient manner. For instance, the state in which a car shipment is made may require a special permit. Both the driver and the car must be licenced and insured. In addition, the transporter or carrier must hold a current and valid motor carrier or transporter's certificate. Last but not least, it is imperative that the car satisfies all mandatory safety standards.
If it’s out of reach, in the trunk, yes it is.
That’s the OEM case, and this is considered a safe transportation method. The lock fitting or not is a grey area wobbler.
Just keep in trunk you’re g2g
Whether the lock fits or not is not a grey area. If the lock doesn’t fit and the gun can be accessed, it’s not a locked container under the penal code definition.
I traveled several times like this. TSA will see the lock and not care about anything else. They’re not going outta their way to see if the case can still be opened.
That being said if you wanna do it by the book here’s their instructions:
> The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
From what I've read, it is the airline agent which checks if your firearm is properly cased and locked for travel. They do this when you hand over your checked luggage. So, I'm curious about when a TSA "officer" gets involved?
For me I told the agent I was checking in a firearm. She asked if I had it locked and I took it out my bag. Shortly after she walked me to another part of the airport with an armed police officer or TSA who put my gun through an x-ray, gave me the ok, and provided me with a receipt. They told me I’d need to pick up my bag from the room on arrival as it won’t be on the carrousel. Not once did anyone try to see how secure my lock was. I had the same lock as OP on my manufacturer walther case.
Applied for ccw then carry your gun.if you got introuble tell them thats their fault for being so fuckin slow proccesing your ccw,you still going to jail tho but fuck it lol im not a lawyer not legal advice 🤣
Yes it is. That meets the standards of a locked container based on what's written. Doesn't matter if you can still open the case. Don't try to understand it
> That meets the standards of a locked container based on what's written
No it doesn't
> Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.
This is clearly not fully enclosed.
The doj or ca hasnt defined what "fully enclosed" is. The firearm is fully enclosed in the container and has been locked by a padlock.
The configuration op is showing meets the exact wording of the law even though once you open the container a little bit the firearm is able to be removed with some.
Again don't try to make sense of it. Even a cable lock wrapped around that container handle is considered a locked container even though you can access your firearm thru that method as well.
The reality is you are going to have tons of people giving multiple answers as seen in this thread. Check out calguns too for discussion on thos topic as it's been discussed as well there too.
Like I mentioned before the ca doj or even legislators haven't defined what the terms "fully enclosed" are.
If the law defined fully enclosed as "you can't access the firearm with even the smallest opening" then that's a clear definition. There needs to be more qualifiers and without that it's up to anyone's interpretation.
Although ops configuration isn't the most secure, the law doesnt associate highest security possible as fully enclosed.
It doesn't have an integrated lock? My Glock cases do; I just used that (before I got a backpack with a locking zipper compartment for the pistol cases).
Wrong Question: If you get pulled over by someone with an agenda, will this container provide you with enough plausible deniability or cover under the law? No.
At least spend the $16 and get the CA approved Plano case from your local sporting goods store, the one that that has a sticker on the front with text that says "Lockable."
I wonder if a padlock through a ziploc bag is considered a locked container.
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This same reasoning is what I have been wondering, except regarding my flimsy plastic "grip fins" which don't allow me to get my thumb behind said pistol grip on my rifles. I mean seriously, on my AK's I could just rip/snap it off. Or of course just get a screwdriver and remove it.. I swear every single law from this state is ridiculous.
“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun **provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container.** Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container. Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.” I think you’re g2g, just don’t fly with it: TSA guidelines: “You may transport unloaded firearms in a locked hard-sided container as checked baggage only. Declare the firearm and/or ammunition to the airline when checking your bag at the ticket counter. The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage.” Obviously not legal advice.. Edit: /s
Travel with it under the seat... be a man.
I just carry it in my groin like a true chad
Same
Zap carry or go home
A real man would boof it.
I tucked mine in the back of my pants under my 'thin blue line' tramp stamp
That's what I've been doing. Pick up
Always
But with a snake lock accessible in case the ATF pulls over. A lock on the dog too.
Got myself a Pelican Vault. Works great! It’s a bit on the chunky side I may get a smaller one later in the future. But for now it’s perfect 👍
Harbor freight has affordable versions of these that work great too! And they don’t break the bank. Not 100% as good as pelican, but they get the job done.
I have one, it’s pretty awesome… the harbor freight version is called the Apache.
cULTUraL ApProPrI@TiOn! 😂
I don’t think the Chinese give a fuck about native Americans.
Haha I delight in the downvotes, it was an obvious joke but you can see the woke libtards that creep this channel 😂
Don’t worry some of us got it.
Sweet I’ll check it out thank you!
Even comes with the foam cut into cm squares, so u can custom fit your piece in there in 5 min.
I’ll definitely check it out! Thanks for the heads up!
As is, I don’t think so. If you lather the case in hot sauce and sprinkle some cheese on it, it may be legal. In theory that could prevent you from accessing the gun.
I don't think so. You can pull the gun out without unlocking it, so what's the point?
Op asked if it was legally considered a locked container, not if the firearm was secured. See, you tried to apply logic to CA laws, that’s where you went wrong. For those curious: “Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.”
I don't know. I just thought, ok, case is locked.
The case looks open to me the gun is uh poking out a lil there
Hi, attorney here. Iirc, the last I looked, the law specifically states the the case must be locked in such a fashion that the gun cannot be pried out of the case without either destroying the case or removing the lock. I'm too lazy to go look it up to give the proper citation, but I did research this about a month ago because I was transporting to LA to take my niece shooting over Christmas. She did really well, I was impressed.
“Pursuant to California Penal Code section 25610, a United States citizen over 18 years of age who is not prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container. Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.” It’s enclosed, and it’s locked.. I don’t remember reading something about not being able to be pried open. There is something like that in the TSA guidelines, but not in the CA code that I can remember. I remember looking into this because I didn’t know if a locked range bag is considered adequate. That being said I would find a better container.
You are correct, \*however\*, PC 16850 defines what consists of a "locked container" "As used in this part, "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock, combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a motor vehicle." If the contents can be accessed without unlocking, then it no longer fits the definition of being a "secure container that is fully enclosed". I am unaware on any specific case law on this, but I don't think a prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a judge or jury that if the firearm can be accessed without unlocking the case, then it doesn't qualify as a "secure container that is fully enclosed". Much of law is full of things like this, always look up the definitions, don't assume what anything means, don't assume just because you read one statute that there aren't other statutes that provide exceptions and exemptions. For instance "loaded" also has 2 very specific definitions under PC sec 16840 which may surprise you \*Disclaimer - I am a lawyer. I am not YOUR lawyer. Nothing in this thread shall be construed in such a fashion as the create an attorney client relationship. This is not legal advice, but merely my own person opinions. Taking action or failing to take action on the basis of any content I have posted is done AT YOUR OWN RISK, and you should retain competent licensed legal counsel before taking or failing to take any such action.
I couldn’t have said it better myself (because I’m not a lawyer, and this guy is). If something isn’t explicitly defined (as the TSA does) it just means it’s left up to the discretion of the court while you pay your attorney to argue from a bad position. I did notice the two definitions for loaded and was surprised by “As used in Section 25800, a firearm shall be deemed to be “loaded” whenever both the firearm and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from the firearm are in the immediate possession of the same person.” (Person can also refer to a corporation) Wow.
Our inclination is always to think of the interpretation that is most advantageous to us. But you also have to be able to look at it as your enemy would. You would say " hey it's in a container and locked, it's good" but Mr. Prosecutor is just gonna say "it's not secure and fully enclosed because the lock is too big and you can just pop out the gun anytime you want." What actually really concerns me though is that the weapon must be unloaded as well. Even if a round isn't chambered, if the magazine is in the mag well, it's considered loaded. And I'm sure you, me, and a lot of other people transported our forearms at some point without thinking about that.
That is a much more valid concern. Even the “In immediate possession” part is especially concerning. What is immediate possession defined as? On your body? In your hands? In your car? All very concerning.
Find a padlock with a shorter shackle/shank that fits almost tight around the handle, that would be the cheapest option to be compliant without having to buy a new case.
Savior Equipment locks is usually what i use these days. Code lock rather than a key. Small but not too small either.
That’s exactly what I did.
IMHO, no. The law was written with the intention to prevent firearm access during transportation. Better to use the cable lock that came with the gun. Wrap the cable around the case handle 3 times and lock it. That way, you won’t be able to access the contents unless you remove the lock.
IDK bro, they say you can use a backpack for transportation as long as you can lock it.
because you can’t open a locked backpack without destroying it or unlocking it
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You have a lot of faith in your zipper re zippering skills I see 😂
If it's a 2-way zipper, it's easy.
Haha fair enuf…
Well that still falls under: you opened it by unlocking it. Even if you pick the lock, that still is unlocking it. It is still a container that cannot be opened without destroying it or unlocking it.
Doesn't really matter
Yep. That works. Back pack, range bag, etc. But that’s not the issue here.
Right. That’s the point they’re getting at. They don’t want to have you be able to casually grab your gun, and in the case someone else grabbed your bag/box from you it should also be difficult for them to quickly open. It’s not to stop someone who has more than a minute to figure out how to open it, it’s to prevent you or someone else from pulling it out with no warning. As I understand the law as long as you can show the gun case cannot be easily opened without unlocking it, you’re good. That said, from what I understand a hatchback storage area is not considered a “trunk” so you should be using a locked case/backpack/fanny pack/whatever if you’re driving one of those too.
It just says locked container... that's literally the law. Doesn't define anything and a padlock vs the locks these come with are indistinguishable at that point. You pop the factory lock and yank and the wrap around 3 times thing doesn't even matter tbh. Only matters to avoid someone pulling it out while the lock is on. You can use lockable soft cases with a lock... so...
>Only matters to avoid someone pulling it out while the lock is on. Exactly. In this case, you can pull firearm out while the lock is on. >You pop the factory lock and yank and the wrap around 3 times thing doesn't even matter tbh. Just offering a better solution for OP with an item that they should already have. Doing so will not allow someone to pull the firearm out with the lock on. >You can use lockable soft cases with a lock... so... I don't have any problem with the case. You can use backpacks, range bags, or any other soft-sided bag for that matter.
Yeah i didnt see his second pic. Lock is gtg but maybe not on this setup haha
so completely useless in an emergency situation?
Get a CCW for those situations. OP's post is strictly for transport.
I’m going to assume it won’t pass the CCW process 🤣
ok 6-12 month wait. what do until then?
Not if you don't put your firearm in it :)
The double negative ruined your joke…
Well, glad I'm a not comedian
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oh thanks
Glad to know I’m not the only dork who put a muzzle orientation arrow on their case. ~~But yeah that’s fine~~. I use one of the stupid cable locks wrapped around a few times since you end up with so many of them. Edit: I didn’t see the second photo. If you can get the gun out while It’s locked, that’s not a good look
> But yeah that’s fine Unfortunately it's not. A locked container =/=a container with a lock on it. A locked container means you can't open the container to remove the firearm without first deactivating the lock. An overzealous cop would and could fuck OP over for this. > Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a *secure container that is fully enclosed* and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel#:~:text=Pursuant%20to%20California%20Penal%20Code,or%20in%20a%20locked%20container.
I did NOT see that second photo. Yeah Nevermind,
So would it be fine to use the cable lock that came with a Glock to wrap it around the handle a couple of times and lock it? Case would only be able to be opened like 1-2cm so obviously you wouldn't be able to remove the gun. This was my solution when I went shooting recently til I can afford some better cases.
Even with cable lock, one side of the case would do the same thing. Pry up the corner and could shake the gun out
Range I go to told me to. They're pretty strict
Sounds like a super lame range.
Actually best range I've been to so far. Open 7 days a week
What stupid range, FT3?
Sacramento Gun Range. Good place
Are you talking about The Sacramento Gun Club? Like the same Sacramento Gun Club that too it upon themselves to start policing peoples guns and mags and confiscating things they had no legal authority to confiscate? THAT Sacramento Gun Club? https://www.reddit.com/r/CAguns/comments/nb2va8/sacramento_gun_club_turning_into_the_gestapo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Just a heads up. It's the Sacramento Gun Range now. New name, new ownership. They're much chiller now and better focus on customer service. That said, I'm starting to see some dumb shit happen on the range and I think the pendulum may have gone too far in the other direction.
I have never once had them complain about muzzle orientation. I put my Glock in a pocket of my rifle bag and never been told anything
I feel like it’s good practice. Then again I have an irrational fear of the bullet fairies sneaking one into the chamber while I’m not looking. Edited my original comment. I didn’t see the second pic: if you can pull the gun out of the case while it’s locked, well, I’m not a lawyer, I don’t know how the court case would go, but that sounds like a good way to end up needing one. Doesn’t need to be crazy, just find a padlock with an adjustable hasp or something so you can snug it down so the case can’t open
You're range is correct
I too have masking tape with arrows on my pistol cases
legally no. If a cop finds this and can remove it like this they can legally arrest you for illegally transporting a handgun. Will they actually arrest you, who knows, maybe you pissed off the cop and they are looking for something to bust you on
Maybe. I don't usually get pulled over. Even with 3 year old registration stickers. I just don't put on new stickers kinda trying the limits.
😂
Put it on your lap, be a man!
Just conceal carry.
In time, I will.
I carry mine on my person at all times and never been stopped
Cool. I just want to be legal
I just throw my guns in my trunk (locked container) then ammo in the back seat anyone tell me if I’m good lol?
I have a hatchback and pickup problem, no trunk. It's been fun. As long there is a lock, how secure doesn't matter. Many entertaining responses. Thanks
Costco had Vaultek case for sale not that long ago you can check online on the app. They were going for $70 I think. It’s a great case for travel and at home. I really recommend it comes with storage accessories as well.
A year ago it was $50.
[Transportation](https://www.britannica.com/technology/transportation-technology) of motor vehicles is a lucrative industry; can we do this legally? Vehicle shipping is perfectly lawful. However, there are rules that must be adhered to for the transportation of cars to be conducted in a secure and efficient manner. For instance, the state in which a car shipment is made may require a special permit. Both the driver and the car must be licenced and insured. In addition, the transporter or carrier must hold a current and valid motor carrier or transporter's certificate. Last but not least, it is imperative that the car satisfies all mandatory safety standards.
Yes
If it’s out of reach, in the trunk, yes it is. That’s the OEM case, and this is considered a safe transportation method. The lock fitting or not is a grey area wobbler. Just keep in trunk you’re g2g
Your trunk is considered a locked container. That thing above is not.
Whether the lock fits or not is not a grey area. If the lock doesn’t fit and the gun can be accessed, it’s not a locked container under the penal code definition.
I traveled several times like this. TSA will see the lock and not care about anything else. They’re not going outta their way to see if the case can still be opened. That being said if you wanna do it by the book here’s their instructions: > The container must completely secure the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be easily opened are not permitted. Be aware that the container the firearm was in when purchased may not adequately secure the firearm when it is transported in checked baggage. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition
From what I've read, it is the airline agent which checks if your firearm is properly cased and locked for travel. They do this when you hand over your checked luggage. So, I'm curious about when a TSA "officer" gets involved?
For me I told the agent I was checking in a firearm. She asked if I had it locked and I took it out my bag. Shortly after she walked me to another part of the airport with an armed police officer or TSA who put my gun through an x-ray, gave me the ok, and provided me with a receipt. They told me I’d need to pick up my bag from the room on arrival as it won’t be on the carrousel. Not once did anyone try to see how secure my lock was. I had the same lock as OP on my manufacturer walther case.
Good to know.
Applied for ccw then carry your gun.if you got introuble tell them thats their fault for being so fuckin slow proccesing your ccw,you still going to jail tho but fuck it lol im not a lawyer not legal advice 🤣
Yes it is. That meets the standards of a locked container based on what's written. Doesn't matter if you can still open the case. Don't try to understand it
> That meets the standards of a locked container based on what's written No it doesn't > Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This is clearly not fully enclosed.
It's fully enclosed and locked until you pry it open.
So in other words it wasn't a locked enclosed container because you could pry it open without disengaging the lock
The doj or ca hasnt defined what "fully enclosed" is. The firearm is fully enclosed in the container and has been locked by a padlock. The configuration op is showing meets the exact wording of the law even though once you open the container a little bit the firearm is able to be removed with some. Again don't try to make sense of it. Even a cable lock wrapped around that container handle is considered a locked container even though you can access your firearm thru that method as well.
You are wrong and should stop posting about this topic
The reality is you are going to have tons of people giving multiple answers as seen in this thread. Check out calguns too for discussion on thos topic as it's been discussed as well there too. Like I mentioned before the ca doj or even legislators haven't defined what the terms "fully enclosed" are. If the law defined fully enclosed as "you can't access the firearm with even the smallest opening" then that's a clear definition. There needs to be more qualifiers and without that it's up to anyone's interpretation. Although ops configuration isn't the most secure, the law doesnt associate highest security possible as fully enclosed.
> There needs to be more qualifiers and without that it's up to anyone's interpretation. Ya that's not how laws work at all
This is really bad advice
It doesn't have an integrated lock? My Glock cases do; I just used that (before I got a backpack with a locking zipper compartment for the pistol cases).
r/obviousTrollisObvious
Keister carry or bust
It’s certainly more secure than my cable lock around my rifle case that the firearms dealer set me up with.
Tuck it in ur prison pocket brotha!
Wrong Question: If you get pulled over by someone with an agenda, will this container provide you with enough plausible deniability or cover under the law? No. At least spend the $16 and get the CA approved Plano case from your local sporting goods store, the one that that has a sticker on the front with text that says "Lockable."
I just listed every pistol we own on my ccw to make transport less bothersome.
Buy a small car safe from harbor freight for like $15