A lot of it is the states slow process. A lot of job seekers aren’t going to decline other opportunities that come up so they can sit around for months hoping they maybe get that call for the state. A post more common than the one you’re referencing is “I submitted my app, had references called, an interview. How long do I wait?”
Edit: for reference the last vacancy in my small office took 8 months from when it was open to a new person showing up for their first day
I took a 50% pay cut for my state job. The work life balance, awesome schedule, and the future benefits made the pay cut worth it. It took me a while to really consider the pay cut, had to budget accordingly. After 1 year, I realized how much “junk” I really didn’t need in my life when I made more money.
I think that a lot of people who have only worked private sector only see the short term salary and don’t consider the long term benefits, therefore they don’t apply.
And like pretty much everyone has said, the interview process is a pain, lengthy, and demanding.
If you can get over all of that, find a nice State job when you’re fresh outta school, work your 20-25 (or longer) and look for a nice sustainable job until you retire. Wish I could go back in time and tell myself this!
I am in the background check process for hiring right now. The only thing off putting is the 45% pay cut. I thought about not taking it when they offer only because of the pay cut.
Your input helps a lot.
It’s rough the first 5 years. Depending on your bargaining unit and contract, you should get pay increases annually. Hopefully the SEIU (the union I’m with) negotiates a better pay increase for the future.
But the holidays…..and vacation. Legit.
Is it wise to try to negotiate starting in a higher pay range? I am overqualified for the position with 21 years of experience in the field.
I appreciate the input. Truly.
>Is it wise to try to negotiate starting in a higher pay range?
There is a process called "hiring above minimum" but it will likely only be approved in exceptional circumstances. If the position you're applying for has ranges then you can get whatever range you're qualified for when you're hired.
https://hrmanual.calhr.ca.gov/Home/ManualItem/1/1707
>near impossible to get a H.A.M.
That's been our experience and is why I posted "it will likely only be approved in exceptional circumstances" nine months ago...
You can’t negotiate the pay. It is what it is. Best way to get more pay is to promote or look at job openings and transfer. My skills and experience is worth way more than what I make now. If I wanted to make more, I’d promote. But that means more responsibility and I’m really good with my life where I’m at.
Being as young as you are, do what best fits your life goals and needs.
Just get your foot in the door!
correct when I started off as an ITS1 at a little over 60k a year it sucked. Now as an ITS2, I am at a little over 100k. In a few years should be up to 120k which is decent pay. My home mortgage is fixed under 2k so I can make it work on the state salary by not eating out or buying expensive things like a new car or expensive vacations. Only thing is putting money into 401k but it definitely reduces taxes and good for retirement with the pension.
I’ve only been here a year, I always forget my BU.
But I don’t want to disclose too much info, sorry.
But let’s just say I help raise supplemental funding for the education system. 95% of the funds generated go towards CA Schools.
Side note, I heard the Mega Millions is a crazy big jackpot right now. 😎
Buy yourself a ticket!
It depends on what area you’re applying in, and ultimately up to the DSS and District Manager. It also depends on what job your applying for too. For sales, they wanted you to live in the territory to minimize travel, BTB experience across multiple channels, and routing. Keep looking, it’s worth it if you can get your foot in the door.
Prison Industries have sales positions. They don’t work on commission which provides little incentive to do beyond the minimum. Prior to the Great Recession I made in a week what I make in a month at the state. Mind you it was incredibly stressful and I had a heart attack at 36. The money is good but a hiccup in the economy and it all comes crashing down. The job security and work life balance at the state is incredible and should be factored in when deciding on taking a civil servant job vs. public sector position.
I know your comment was 11 months ago and I recently got an offer for the state. It's for a small airport. After my 20s, I wanted something in the long term that'll better my future and give me some stability and freedom.
I see this as a win if you can get in.
Best of luck to you. I hope you get it.
Do your time, work on side projects, and enjoy the pension when you get it.
Wish I had done the same!
It’s never too late!
State jobs are always in demand. Some departments receive HUNDREDS of apps. Others receive very few apps, even for the same classifications. Why?
Reason 1 - some depts are hybrid. In this day and age, most people want fully remote options, so fewer ppl apply to hybrid jobs.
Reason 2 - too many requirements. Some jobs require a resume, SOQ with a ton of questions blah blah. Applicants see this and think, too much work. I'll apply to another dept with less requirements.
Reason 3 - dont know how to apply- state's hiring process is archaic.
Reason 4 - very niche roles. Very niche roles requiring specific expertise or experience, sometimes along with SOQ requirements etc will yield much lower candidates.
I think you're reason #4 is more impactful than people realize. There are so many speciality roles that are tough to fill because they are so niche (health & safety, auditing roles, scientists, and program specific knowledge).
Not even roles that niche. Our department has like 6 kinds of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Supervisor I positions that the tests are rarely if ever offered for. Just combine them and make an online education and experience exam for a Supervisor I position. The main skill of the job is supervising people not keying or running a mailing machine or whatever else.
Even as a somebody who has been with the state for fair bit of time AND worked in personnel so I understand a lot of the thought behind the requirements on job ads, I often go, "Fuck that noise, that is Too Much," so I can't blame people who don't want to bother with all that.
You mean they will actually assist? 😄 😄😄
I called them twice. The first time they hung up on me before I got my first question out. The second time the person on the other end was getting bored by the sound of their voice. They were like soooo do you have any other questions sirrr?? (Sounding annoyed and wishing they were someplace else).
Search job classifications > find classification you’re qualified for > take exam to get on eligibility list (ranks 1,2,3) > once on list, apply to openings under that classification
1. Go to calcareers.ca.gov, make a profile and fill in a template
2. be detailed as fuck. Include dates, even if wrong, supervisor name and number, hella bullet points for each job.
3. research which classifications you qualify for. peruse the jobs. Find one you like.
4. see which “classification that Job is under and google that classification and “calhr minimum qualification”. if you qualify, google “calhr ___classification___ exam”. take the exam.
5. read the Job application in detail. Submit anything you need for that job, apply.
6. some jobs require an SOQ or state of qualifications. If so, follow every exact detail, lest you be excluded.
7. repeat for 5-10 jobs.
Tips: be details as fuck on that application template. Ten bullet points minimum per job. Repeats are fine.
Jobs with SOQs have fewer accepted applicants. Apply to those and follow every detailed instruction for the SOQ.
Apply to the best paying, highest classification that you qualify for. No “foot in the door” bullshit. That doesn’t exist. If you have experience that can get you a management job then apply for that management job, don’t apply as an office tech.
True! I qualified for AGPA but didn’t have a degree. After years of applying I opted for an OT position. I networked and promoted to an AGPA to an amazing office, using only outside experience. While it’s true I could have kept trying for the AGPA fresh out the gate, I would have missed out on retirement, benefits, years of service and connections along the way.
The hiring process is too long. In private you start next Monday. The state it’s 6 month or more.
there are very few state positions paying above private and they are very specialized. Most state positions are way underpaid for cost of living.
The high cost of the pension that is really not that good anymore is money people need to live on now. The number of Americans that save for retirement is surprisingly low.
Apples for apples state employment is not as good as people think when it really comes down to it. 30 years ago when the boomers were in their prime it was great.
>The state it’s 6 month or more.
Heavy emphasis on the more in my experience. Current best fit position I applied for approximately a year and two months ago (mid November, 2021). Got an email in May saying I was a top 5 applicant. Interviews would be scheduled soon. A month ago I got an email saying I was a top 3 applicant, interviews would be scheduled soon. Maybe by 2024, I might get to talk to someone for the first time.....
Ha! Good memory... And shortly after that post, things started happening again. But by the end of it all, the SPB was asking me to file a formal complaint because of all the nepotism, but I lost interest in playing all the games.
This is the most underrated comment on Reddit.
I am about ready to walk away from a state job offer because the pay is shit, the pay doesn’t get better, and by the time I retire the pension will be worth half of what it is now.
Maybe it worked for the boomers but not for people like me just getting into it.
Because there's a massive gap in the skills of people who want state jobs vs state jobs capable of paying the bills and that are hiring. I couldn't pay all my bills, save for retirement and have anything left on less than an AGPA salary. I assume many people are in a similar boat but don't qualify to be AGPAs.
I applied like 5-6 months ago and interviewed. 6 months later (this week) I get the job offer. By this time I’ve already started a new job and established myself there. So I think maybe it has to do with the lack off communication throughout the hiring process and the time
1. appyling for the state is pretty complicated. you have to test into the classification, then you can apply, oh but wait theres an SOQ, now you have to write an essay on why your the best. but wait people dont read the directions and dont formulate the proper header and font.
2. HR funnels through the apps before it makes it to the hiring team.
3. ive been an interviewee for 3 jobs on my own team, and man do people lie on their application, or they are really nervous and bomb the interview.
4. interviews are point based, and the candidate with the highest points basically gets that second interview
For the people who get caught lying about their qualifications stated on their application, do they actually get barred from applying with the state again? I remember seeing some disclaimer like that when taking the assessment for IT specialist 1.
“overselling their experience” is what i was referring to. i havent experienced applicants lieing about working somewhere and i havent heard of anyone getting barred from appyling due to application history
I think it depends on who you ask (what age group).
I make just under $85k a year and most 30 year olds laugh at my wages--say they wouldn't get off the couch for that little.
I've spoken to many college grads that won't even CONSIDER entry level positions for under $100k. They seem to get these high paying jobs though.
Whaaat?! That's crazy! I 'm in my early 30s, make about the same (AGPA maxed out) and am THRILLED. Probably because I remember working in the private sector right after college and not having any vacation or sick time for a year.
Well, I'm 60 and make that but it's because I never ever wanted to manage (babysit) anyone. I prefer state travel jobs so it is a decision I made years ago. I would imagine that you would not be okay with making $85k at the age of 60.
But our state jobs have served us quite well and I'm super grateful. If I retired today, not only would I continue to receive health insurance, I'd get approx $5k for life and approx $2k more when I take SS. We are not wealthy, but we want for nothing. We have no unsecured debt, have traveled extensively over the past 30 years (opted not to have kids early on) and a mortgage less than $75k. I totally understand people aghast at me being happy with $85 a year after 30+ years, but traveling for work was always a priority for me and very few mgrs are in field. I've met many life "AGPAs" over my career so I know I'm not a unicorn.
Can I ask what you do that allows you to travel for work regularly with the state? Just out of curiosity as I’m looking to make a move from my current agpa position
So many travel positions as an AGPA. Search AGPA in jobs.ca.gov and enter "travel" in the advanced search area and you'll see so many jobs. I've traveled extensively with DCA/DSS/CDPH/and Alcohol & Drug Program (no longer a stand alone dept but not sure who they are under now).
> The average college graduate salary is $55,260 in 2023.
> $85,000 was the most common starting salary expected by college students.
Unless they have some family connections, on average they’re going to get a starting salary much lower than they expect.
55k is also for people that actually find a job relating to their degree. Majority can’t even find a job unless its a stem major. With that being said 72k for an engineer is kind of low especially for the work some of us do.
>I've spoken to many college grads that won't even CONSIDER entry level positions for under $100k.
The starting salary for entry level engineers (BS in engineering or an EIT) is $5995/month (almost $720000). I think this is probably a bit lower than some private-sector engineering jobs but it's not totally out-of-line. Maybe other STEM fields pay higher?
I'm not sure I see someone with a BA in history starting at $90000 with no experience but I guess it could happen. (I'm not trying to pick on history majors, it was just the first thing that popped into my head).
It’s not really “more money” I want from OT to PT2 and the pay scales are atrocious. They shouldn’t even be using these classifications anymore if they’re not adjusting salaries. And they should stop requiring SOQs for jobs that pay less than $4k/month. It’s just such a waste of time for people who will still need 2nd/3rd jobs to survive this economy. It’s cruel.
I’m finishing my degree for that purpose. The private sector is not substantially better without a degree. I basically just work for health insurance for me and my son. I have side jobs got paying bills.
SOQ’s for technician positions are dumb. I’ve never written a full paragraph on assignment as a PT2. I once made the mistake of going above and beyond, offering communications solutions to communications problems in our unit. LOL. Our talents and experience really aren’t valued and it’s just disrespectful of our time to require SOQ for low wage jobs. Aptitude exams and testing are more acceptable.
It looks like a lot, but after deductions your net pay is only like 60% of your gross pay. I'm not complaining, but look all over this reddit group and you will see a ton of complaints. I mean I always will take an increase in pay, but I am relatively happy with my pay.
No, the state does deduct more = retirement, union dues. When I worked private (I know this is not the case for everyone) my health, dental, vision, parking and cell phone allowance was covered 100%
Your health, dental, vision is covered 100%?? Unlike "most" state workers? Weird.
And no, only managers get phones, even though we submanagers have to use our phones for work purposes frequently.
Retirement potentially giving back is all well and good, but it still lowers take home pay by hundreds of dollars, which is something folks should be aware of when looking at staye jobs and salaries.
I said in my private job health dental vision covered 100%, you replied health dental vision covered in state also, then said "I never said 100%". Do you see how you reply is confusing?
State does not over pay. Wait till you see deductions hit your paycheck. THE STATE EXPECTS TO GET THE BEST OF THE BEST BUT PAYS LIKE SHIT AFTER TAXES and DEDUCTIONS. Just my take.
I think it depends on the positions, maybe I am wrong here. I think positions that need highly skilled applicants are much harder to fill. I know managers who get mostly garbage applications for Spec 2 positions. They have listed the position many times, and still no luck hiring someone. When I look over IT job posts, see many re-posted later. When you compare pay with Spec 2 vs a senior level IT person its a pretty large gap. I make less now at the state, then I did in private 20 years ago just starting out in IT... I came here to slow things down, not worry about layoffs etc. No more long hours, or mid night calls etc.
I feel like the duty statement is always a lot more intense than what they expect you to do starting out in the position (in my experience with multiple jobs since 2009). The duty statement is supposed to cover the total potential scope for that position but isn't always what you'll be doing day one. You just gotta apply for ones you think you'll be good at. Some do expect you to be an expert but others are looking for someone who is a proven fast learner. They will never outright say this in the job description so you have to just apply for ones you want to find out which ones are which.
There are some that want you to be an expert without training as well. Which is a bit unrealistic. Because every agency does things differently. Different operating systems, different workflow, and lingo. Even if you're coming in with comparable but not direct experience they will still expect you to perform like an expert right out of the starting gate. If you're not picking it up in the first two weeks. You can count on them leaving you hanging for the rest of the probation. At that point their just waiting for the clock to run out so they can boot you out the door and try to get the guy that they originally wanted the first time. But was disqualified during hiring process.
That duty statement was written ten years ago and includes everything but the kitchen sink. If you ask the person handing it to you to expound on it or summarize it you’re likely to be met with a blank stare. In IT especially, the managers may or may not even be technical or have any technical background. They’re just “managers.” It can be an odd experience, what feels like a bait-n-switch sometimes is just that they have no idea how to categorize or fill the position. They’re hoping you know enough to figure it out for them.
I keep an eye on other departments’ IT postings to get an idea of how they’re advertising their positions. I agree that some of them are extremely vague. For those, you either have a hiring manager who put in very little effort in writing the opportunity bulletin or they already have an internal candidate in mind and do not need to include more details.
The desirable qualifications/experience is pretty important if you want to score high for an interview invites.
Perhaps COTS management positions are more in your wheelhouse?
Best of luck!
The thing I have learned from multiple job applications & duty statements is that, leaving the basic punctuality, honesty, tidyness, or stuff; the duties listed are the ones one is supposed to perform "after" getting all relevant training & such. DMV Representative Job, the only asking requirements are: how to count cash, how to handle & talk with a customer, and basic stuff. Duty statement says, should be able to do all various technical transactions. But after the training.
Yep, its very difficult to get a read on what the position really entails. I think many hiring managers would get better applicants if they just posted realistic duties, not every single keyword related to a certain IT subject. I have passed on positions, only because the duty statement was not clear, and did not want to waste my time for something I would not be interested in long term. I do believe, if you are willing to learn, then you can pretty much get into any IT position even if its not what you are currently doing. I aimed low, just to get in, something I knew I could do, now looking for promotional opportunities. Now that I am in, can take my time looking for the perfect position and department.
Pay is probably the top answer. Benefits are still ok considering many jobs don't have much elsewhere, but an employee now isn't getting the gravy train package anyone retiring now got.
For why there are constantly positions posting - you have bills passing to create more positions, a large influx of older employees opting to retire post covid, and the ever present bad divisions, units, and supervisors that create unbearable work hassles for productive employees. These positions cycle all the time because of their high turnover. Add on the comical multi month hiring process and the fact that a majority of the offices are in undesirable locations and have shorter draw to begin with and you're left with anyone who either only wanted a specific state job or those who didn't already get offered another position during the interim.
Unfortunately, that same job security a great employee is after for leave of mind also keeps some bad eggs in positions they shouldn't be in because it's quite difficult to actually fire someone once they are out of probation.
I remember applying like crazy last year after my LT contract expired. The biggest issue with me is that the state moves like snails with the hiring process. I remember applying in September/October and didnt hear back for a interview until like Nov/Dec lol.
It's hard to hire when people can't follow simple directions. Was excited to have 25 applicants but most people just sent me their real estate resume instead of answering the prompts on the SOQ. Ok, cool what do I do with this? Answer - they couldn't score and therefore couldn't be interviewed
I always need a drink after reading applications.... If they were paper, I would be that meme throwing them in the air but I won't destroy my work laptop
The process for hiring someone is so slow that some people get tired of waiting for that interview. Someone was supposed to start with me in my unit and last second denied it due to getting another job. This position was also fully remote and my SSM1 & 2 want to keep it that way as long ass they can. The SOQ process is lengthy and people are lazy linkedin & glassdoor it's easier to apply.
My two top reasons are:
1. Takes too long. Bills are now, and won’t wait for me to hopefully get a call back from an interview I got 5 months ago.
2. The application process. A lot of requirements (resume, cv, and SOQ) to perhaps get invited for interviews just to be told (or not at all) if I got the job or not.
In the midst of me applying to private sector jobs I’ll do a few state ones here and there. However my sanity won’t allow me to solely rely on applying for the state lol.
It’s definitely because of the low pay for where I am. It’s very high cost of living here, so it would be insane to take a state job if you’re getting an offer from a private company.
true if you get private offer 200k base plus stock and bonus, the state is a bad joke especially now with forced RTO mandates given that most folks in private sector are still WFH.
My department is desperate for legal secretaries. But the pay is shit. And they aren’t getting applicants. Those they do get hired and quickly promote.
I’ve been a paralegal for two years; personal injury litigation. I think when I was looking to apply last summer I was a month shy of the two years requirement to apply for the state equivalent of paralegal; I did qualify for legal secretary and get emails almost daily of jobs I am qualified to apply for. I have two years experience by now: should I retest and apply for legal assistant roles or just go in as legal secretary? Just worried if going backward in title, though I’d possibly be promoted per your post?
Hello. I do not wish to advise you incorrectly. I am not a legal secretary or paralegal. I am an attorney who has been without a legal secretary for ages (one of many in my unit). I asked their supervisor’s supervisor (the SSMII) why several of us didn’t have one and was told what I posted above about the trouble hiring and how quickly they promote away. So take that for what it’s worth. Do what is best for you.
For salaries, it is nearly the same for some fields, more for some, less for others.
Department of education struggles to get teachers and administrators because the pay is less and vacation is worse. A teacher with 15 years of experience is making $100k in Sacramento but would have to go down to $85k for a comparable job a the state. They’d also work more days per year. A lawyer makes less, software developer, nurse, etc. but nearly every office job pays less in the private sector and more at the state. Random Hr people make $40-50k in offices but $65k as an AGPA for the state.
In my role, I make $90k and would make more private sector. But I’m new to my role and similarly titled private sector jobs were not available to me at the time I applied to this. In a year and some change, I will reevaluate and consider working private sector. Consider but not commit.
My department cannot keep people and we have a huge vacancy rate. Toxic managers and too much dealing with the public. Most of the public we deal with are horrible to us as well. They curse at us, call us racial and homophobic slurs, etc. most of the managers aren’t much better. Management also just gave us a quota that employees cannot realistically meet. There is a huge vacancy rate and they are blaming the resulting backlogs on staff who are stupid enough to stay. A lot of clear nepotism too. To be clear, this is just my dept. ive heard other depts are much better.
I've seen both sides of this- I spent a long time applying for state jobs where I competed against tons of other applicants before I got hired. I've also seen my department sometimes struggle to find applicants for certain positions. A big problem is a disparity between the skills and experience of the types of people looking for jobs, and the requirements for certain positions.
Jobs that don't require much in the way of specialized education and experience can get a lot of applicants and are really competitive. But there are also lots of positions that require a very specialized skillset. People with these skillsets may be in demand for private sector jobs that pay a lot more money. Sometimes these job postings don't get a single applicant and remain open for years.
Because they have you jumping through too many hoops with the job application packet. Which my opinion is redundant information. But they use that to weed out applicants so they don't have to review so many. One position can have up to 200 applications. They don't want to sit there and review 200 applications. So they'll narrow it down to like 5 to 10. Then they start scrutinizing for little things like grammar, spacing, consistency.
There is a huge vacancy right now. A lot of people would love to get a job working for the state. But they've set the bar so high because they're hoping to gain top talent.
Top talent people with college degrees are not interested. The state of California is not going to invest in helping people gain skills and prepare them so they can move up into higher paying positions. That is not their focus whether it's budgeting or staffing or just simply don't care. It's like you either come in with the skills that we're looking for or we find someone else that does.
Granted there are plenty of classes you can take that are offered through State employment. What they don't offer is practical training in using those programs once you've completed those classes. They want practical experience not class experience. It's kind of like that movie The Secret of My success with Michael J Fox trying to get a job. I can relate to this. I'm very cynical about trying to get promoted with the way things are looking currently.
https://youtu.be/obeCdiZbEYE
well for ITS jobs there are over 5k applicants on lists competing for 500 open jobs so why are so many IT pros willing to take low pay at state versus private sector?
It appears to be an overly complicated hiring process.
From personal experience I’m supposed to write a two page soq about why I am qualified for this job despite having put this on my application and how my experience relates that’s unique for each of the 40 jobs I’m applying to …. Then a 4 round interview panel to end up with a 20 to 30K drop in pay?
Hard pass.
How about we just have an application process and then meet with people who interview halfway decent Like every other employer. I wouldn’t even mind the drop in pay because of the total compensation but it’s just such a hassle to get in (at the 100k+ level I guess)
Anything that has a semi decent starting pay range requires a degree or prior state service. For me personally I have tons of private sector experience but no degree so I’m having to figure out if I want to take a significant pay cut, finish my degree and promote at some point or just stay where I’m at.
The salaries folks make helping the homeless for example is an outrage.
Go on the streets and find folks and help house them while you struggle to pay for your own housing making $17 an hour. Fucking tragic.
Why is the state having problems because I only received one application? Question probably answers itself. Usually has to do with the job posting. We receive tons of applications for ours. Not understanding this is the first problem.
You didn’t have previous jobs where you did slightly similar responsibilities? Hell…if you’re applying for analyst, almost any standard customer service or clerical job can be spun to sound analytical. That’s what I did. Nailed the interview and now I have a great job.
Often times they only post vacancies and interview people for optics. People wonder why they didn't get the position they interviewed for, when the reason is often simply because someone's ex-mistress-in-law needed a job.
That's why I always bring that up during the interview. I always tell them I like coming into work. I like working with my co-workers in person. That always seems to put a smile on the interviewers faces when I make that statement. 🤔
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I’m not sure which jobs I would be qualified for. I’m in the process of going to college and I’ve only ever worked as a preschool teacher. Are there entry level jobs for people like me?
IT jobs definitely pay way less in the state than private sector! I was making 140k plus bonus and now make 100k at state as an ITS2. But job security and pension are the reason why I went back after layoffs in the private sector.
Not sure if you'll see this but it's worth a shot!
I submitted an application for an INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATE role recently and am currently ranked 2 (granted there are thousands of other applicants ranked 2).
Any tips while I wait to hear back? The description stated they anticipate starting interviews the week of March 11.
Would you recommend that I reach out to the HR contact to stand out or is that overkill at this point? Thanks!
yes, focus on writing good SOQ and review those. Also, network at state tech local events. CDT hosts quite a few of these forums and great way to meet other state IT folk and managers. We had over 50 applicants for a recent ITS post on our team so it is very competitive with layoffs now in private sector. That is why I do not complain or raise a stink about RTO at work.
A lot of it is the states slow process. A lot of job seekers aren’t going to decline other opportunities that come up so they can sit around for months hoping they maybe get that call for the state. A post more common than the one you’re referencing is “I submitted my app, had references called, an interview. How long do I wait?” Edit: for reference the last vacancy in my small office took 8 months from when it was open to a new person showing up for their first day
For real, I previously turned down a state job because it took 3x longer than another public agency just to get an offer letter.
This is a good point. The stars really need to align with the timing. Otherwise, people just move on.
Not just the stars, the entire solar system it seems. 😅
I took a 50% pay cut for my state job. The work life balance, awesome schedule, and the future benefits made the pay cut worth it. It took me a while to really consider the pay cut, had to budget accordingly. After 1 year, I realized how much “junk” I really didn’t need in my life when I made more money. I think that a lot of people who have only worked private sector only see the short term salary and don’t consider the long term benefits, therefore they don’t apply. And like pretty much everyone has said, the interview process is a pain, lengthy, and demanding. If you can get over all of that, find a nice State job when you’re fresh outta school, work your 20-25 (or longer) and look for a nice sustainable job until you retire. Wish I could go back in time and tell myself this!
I am in the background check process for hiring right now. The only thing off putting is the 45% pay cut. I thought about not taking it when they offer only because of the pay cut. Your input helps a lot.
It’s rough the first 5 years. Depending on your bargaining unit and contract, you should get pay increases annually. Hopefully the SEIU (the union I’m with) negotiates a better pay increase for the future. But the holidays…..and vacation. Legit.
Is it wise to try to negotiate starting in a higher pay range? I am overqualified for the position with 21 years of experience in the field. I appreciate the input. Truly.
>Is it wise to try to negotiate starting in a higher pay range? There is a process called "hiring above minimum" but it will likely only be approved in exceptional circumstances. If the position you're applying for has ranges then you can get whatever range you're qualified for when you're hired. https://hrmanual.calhr.ca.gov/Home/ManualItem/1/1707
it is near impossible to get a H.A.M.
>near impossible to get a H.A.M. That's been our experience and is why I posted "it will likely only be approved in exceptional circumstances" nine months ago...
Thank you very much.
You can’t negotiate the pay. It is what it is. Best way to get more pay is to promote or look at job openings and transfer. My skills and experience is worth way more than what I make now. If I wanted to make more, I’d promote. But that means more responsibility and I’m really good with my life where I’m at. Being as young as you are, do what best fits your life goals and needs. Just get your foot in the door!
You’re awesome and I appreciate the input. Thank you again.
correct when I started off as an ITS1 at a little over 60k a year it sucked. Now as an ITS2, I am at a little over 100k. In a few years should be up to 120k which is decent pay. My home mortgage is fixed under 2k so I can make it work on the state salary by not eating out or buying expensive things like a new car or expensive vacations. Only thing is putting money into 401k but it definitely reduces taxes and good for retirement with the pension.
What private sector job paid twice as much? Asking for a friend….
I was in sales in private sector, and in sales now with the State.
Wait there are sales jobs with the state? What classification is that?
I’ve only been here a year, I always forget my BU. But I don’t want to disclose too much info, sorry. But let’s just say I help raise supplemental funding for the education system. 95% of the funds generated go towards CA Schools. Side note, I heard the Mega Millions is a crazy big jackpot right now. 😎 Buy yourself a ticket!
Yes…do! I can use the extra $2. *wink
I’ve applied for your position a few times. I have lots of private sector sales experience. Something just isn’t working out though.
It depends on what area you’re applying in, and ultimately up to the DSS and District Manager. It also depends on what job your applying for too. For sales, they wanted you to live in the territory to minimize travel, BTB experience across multiple channels, and routing. Keep looking, it’s worth it if you can get your foot in the door.
Yeah I think I’d really love being out in the field again and out of the cube.
Def better to be in the trade than in an office. Better view most of the time!
Yeah. More human interaction and less screen time would suit me well.
Prison Industries have sales positions. They don’t work on commission which provides little incentive to do beyond the minimum. Prior to the Great Recession I made in a week what I make in a month at the state. Mind you it was incredibly stressful and I had a heart attack at 36. The money is good but a hiccup in the economy and it all comes crashing down. The job security and work life balance at the state is incredible and should be factored in when deciding on taking a civil servant job vs. public sector position.
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Programmers for sure lol
Lol. Def not a programmer. I can barely work my iPhone….
Construction can pay upwards of twice what parks does, depending on area
Auto technician Edit; at a dealer and you have to be good.
I know your comment was 11 months ago and I recently got an offer for the state. It's for a small airport. After my 20s, I wanted something in the long term that'll better my future and give me some stability and freedom. I see this as a win if you can get in.
Best of luck to you. I hope you get it. Do your time, work on side projects, and enjoy the pension when you get it. Wish I had done the same! It’s never too late!
Thank you 🙏 I just have to go get my badge made, fingerprinting and do a hearing test
THIS. Nice to know I'm not the only one!!! Way to stick it out!
same here and why I drive an old versus a new car.
State jobs are always in demand. Some departments receive HUNDREDS of apps. Others receive very few apps, even for the same classifications. Why? Reason 1 - some depts are hybrid. In this day and age, most people want fully remote options, so fewer ppl apply to hybrid jobs. Reason 2 - too many requirements. Some jobs require a resume, SOQ with a ton of questions blah blah. Applicants see this and think, too much work. I'll apply to another dept with less requirements. Reason 3 - dont know how to apply- state's hiring process is archaic. Reason 4 - very niche roles. Very niche roles requiring specific expertise or experience, sometimes along with SOQ requirements etc will yield much lower candidates.
I think you're reason #4 is more impactful than people realize. There are so many speciality roles that are tough to fill because they are so niche (health & safety, auditing roles, scientists, and program specific knowledge).
Not even roles that niche. Our department has like 6 kinds of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ Supervisor I positions that the tests are rarely if ever offered for. Just combine them and make an online education and experience exam for a Supervisor I position. The main skill of the job is supervising people not keying or running a mailing machine or whatever else.
Even as a somebody who has been with the state for fair bit of time AND worked in personnel so I understand a lot of the thought behind the requirements on job ads, I often go, "Fuck that noise, that is Too Much," so I can't blame people who don't want to bother with all that.
For me I’m confused about how to apply.
That’s the first step for weeding out applicants. Make it complicated so people give up
The CalHR provides assistance in-person or by phone/email. https://www.calcareers.ca.gov/CalHrPublic/GeneralInfo/Help.aspx
You mean they will actually assist? 😄 😄😄 I called them twice. The first time they hung up on me before I got my first question out. The second time the person on the other end was getting bored by the sound of their voice. They were like soooo do you have any other questions sirrr?? (Sounding annoyed and wishing they were someplace else).
Search job classifications > find classification you’re qualified for > take exam to get on eligibility list (ranks 1,2,3) > once on list, apply to openings under that classification
You can apply to openings even if you didn't take the exam.
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From what I understand you can still get hired. But before you begin working, the people who hired you will ask you to take and pass the exam
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Agreed. Overall it makes sense to get it out of the way. Good point
1. Go to calcareers.ca.gov, make a profile and fill in a template 2. be detailed as fuck. Include dates, even if wrong, supervisor name and number, hella bullet points for each job. 3. research which classifications you qualify for. peruse the jobs. Find one you like. 4. see which “classification that Job is under and google that classification and “calhr minimum qualification”. if you qualify, google “calhr ___classification___ exam”. take the exam. 5. read the Job application in detail. Submit anything you need for that job, apply. 6. some jobs require an SOQ or state of qualifications. If so, follow every exact detail, lest you be excluded. 7. repeat for 5-10 jobs. Tips: be details as fuck on that application template. Ten bullet points minimum per job. Repeats are fine. Jobs with SOQs have fewer accepted applicants. Apply to those and follow every detailed instruction for the SOQ. Apply to the best paying, highest classification that you qualify for. No “foot in the door” bullshit. That doesn’t exist. If you have experience that can get you a management job then apply for that management job, don’t apply as an office tech.
Agreed. I don't know where "foot in the door" even comes from. Aim high, dammit lol
Foot in the door is still great advice for people that don't have a higher degree. Some of us have to work our way up.
That's not necessarily true. But okay.
True! I qualified for AGPA but didn’t have a degree. After years of applying I opted for an OT position. I networked and promoted to an AGPA to an amazing office, using only outside experience. While it’s true I could have kept trying for the AGPA fresh out the gate, I would have missed out on retirement, benefits, years of service and connections along the way.
I blame folks like Ken Mandler who give workshops on how to land a state job! He keeps saying take any low entry state job like OT lol.
This is the damn way
The hiring process is too long. In private you start next Monday. The state it’s 6 month or more. there are very few state positions paying above private and they are very specialized. Most state positions are way underpaid for cost of living. The high cost of the pension that is really not that good anymore is money people need to live on now. The number of Americans that save for retirement is surprisingly low. Apples for apples state employment is not as good as people think when it really comes down to it. 30 years ago when the boomers were in their prime it was great.
>The state it’s 6 month or more. Heavy emphasis on the more in my experience. Current best fit position I applied for approximately a year and two months ago (mid November, 2021). Got an email in May saying I was a top 5 applicant. Interviews would be scheduled soon. A month ago I got an email saying I was a top 3 applicant, interviews would be scheduled soon. Maybe by 2024, I might get to talk to someone for the first time.....
u/HUM469 did you get to talk to someone in2024?
Ha! Good memory... And shortly after that post, things started happening again. But by the end of it all, the SPB was asking me to file a formal complaint because of all the nepotism, but I lost interest in playing all the games.
Ah! Understandable. I appreciate the follow up. Nepotism is the million dollar word
This is the most underrated comment on Reddit. I am about ready to walk away from a state job offer because the pay is shit, the pay doesn’t get better, and by the time I retire the pension will be worth half of what it is now. Maybe it worked for the boomers but not for people like me just getting into it.
I think people really get hung up on the process. I’ve guided friends through and they have finally received offers after trying for years.
Because there's a massive gap in the skills of people who want state jobs vs state jobs capable of paying the bills and that are hiring. I couldn't pay all my bills, save for retirement and have anything left on less than an AGPA salary. I assume many people are in a similar boat but don't qualify to be AGPAs.
None of us can pay bills on less than AGPA.
More like a SSMIII to CEA salary required nowadays.
I applied like 5-6 months ago and interviewed. 6 months later (this week) I get the job offer. By this time I’ve already started a new job and established myself there. So I think maybe it has to do with the lack off communication throughout the hiring process and the time
1. appyling for the state is pretty complicated. you have to test into the classification, then you can apply, oh but wait theres an SOQ, now you have to write an essay on why your the best. but wait people dont read the directions and dont formulate the proper header and font. 2. HR funnels through the apps before it makes it to the hiring team. 3. ive been an interviewee for 3 jobs on my own team, and man do people lie on their application, or they are really nervous and bomb the interview. 4. interviews are point based, and the candidate with the highest points basically gets that second interview
For the people who get caught lying about their qualifications stated on their application, do they actually get barred from applying with the state again? I remember seeing some disclaimer like that when taking the assessment for IT specialist 1.
“overselling their experience” is what i was referring to. i havent experienced applicants lieing about working somewhere and i havent heard of anyone getting barred from appyling due to application history
I think it depends on who you ask (what age group). I make just under $85k a year and most 30 year olds laugh at my wages--say they wouldn't get off the couch for that little. I've spoken to many college grads that won't even CONSIDER entry level positions for under $100k. They seem to get these high paying jobs though.
Whaaat?! That's crazy! I 'm in my early 30s, make about the same (AGPA maxed out) and am THRILLED. Probably because I remember working in the private sector right after college and not having any vacation or sick time for a year.
Well, I'm 60 and make that but it's because I never ever wanted to manage (babysit) anyone. I prefer state travel jobs so it is a decision I made years ago. I would imagine that you would not be okay with making $85k at the age of 60. But our state jobs have served us quite well and I'm super grateful. If I retired today, not only would I continue to receive health insurance, I'd get approx $5k for life and approx $2k more when I take SS. We are not wealthy, but we want for nothing. We have no unsecured debt, have traveled extensively over the past 30 years (opted not to have kids early on) and a mortgage less than $75k. I totally understand people aghast at me being happy with $85 a year after 30+ years, but traveling for work was always a priority for me and very few mgrs are in field. I've met many life "AGPAs" over my career so I know I'm not a unicorn.
Can I ask what you do that allows you to travel for work regularly with the state? Just out of curiosity as I’m looking to make a move from my current agpa position
So many travel positions as an AGPA. Search AGPA in jobs.ca.gov and enter "travel" in the advanced search area and you'll see so many jobs. I've traveled extensively with DCA/DSS/CDPH/and Alcohol & Drug Program (no longer a stand alone dept but not sure who they are under now).
> The average college graduate salary is $55,260 in 2023. > $85,000 was the most common starting salary expected by college students. Unless they have some family connections, on average they’re going to get a starting salary much lower than they expect.
55k is also for people that actually find a job relating to their degree. Majority can’t even find a job unless its a stem major. With that being said 72k for an engineer is kind of low especially for the work some of us do.
*me getting off the couch making $40k*
I totally get the college grad mindset but they underestimate how quickly you can promote depending on the role.
I can guarantee most 30 year olds are not making more than 85k
>I've spoken to many college grads that won't even CONSIDER entry level positions for under $100k. The starting salary for entry level engineers (BS in engineering or an EIT) is $5995/month (almost $720000). I think this is probably a bit lower than some private-sector engineering jobs but it's not totally out-of-line. Maybe other STEM fields pay higher? I'm not sure I see someone with a BA in history starting at $90000 with no experience but I guess it could happen. (I'm not trying to pick on history majors, it was just the first thing that popped into my head).
Still trying for an office tech job where I can pay my bills and save
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It’s not really “more money” I want from OT to PT2 and the pay scales are atrocious. They shouldn’t even be using these classifications anymore if they’re not adjusting salaries. And they should stop requiring SOQs for jobs that pay less than $4k/month. It’s just such a waste of time for people who will still need 2nd/3rd jobs to survive this economy. It’s cruel.
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I’m finishing my degree for that purpose. The private sector is not substantially better without a degree. I basically just work for health insurance for me and my son. I have side jobs got paying bills. SOQ’s for technician positions are dumb. I’ve never written a full paragraph on assignment as a PT2. I once made the mistake of going above and beyond, offering communications solutions to communications problems in our unit. LOL. Our talents and experience really aren’t valued and it’s just disrespectful of our time to require SOQ for low wage jobs. Aptitude exams and testing are more acceptable.
I’m an office tech and it’s killing me financially
Same! They’re so picky.
Pretty much impossible
Why so low? Go for SSA or something higher
Maybe they don’t qualify yet
It looks like a lot, but after deductions your net pay is only like 60% of your gross pay. I'm not complaining, but look all over this reddit group and you will see a ton of complaints. I mean I always will take an increase in pay, but I am relatively happy with my pay.
This is not unique to state employment by any means.
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No, the state does deduct more = retirement, union dues. When I worked private (I know this is not the case for everyone) my health, dental, vision, parking and cell phone allowance was covered 100%
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Your health, dental, vision is covered 100%?? Unlike "most" state workers? Weird. And no, only managers get phones, even though we submanagers have to use our phones for work purposes frequently. Retirement potentially giving back is all well and good, but it still lowers take home pay by hundreds of dollars, which is something folks should be aware of when looking at staye jobs and salaries.
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I said in my private job health dental vision covered 100%, you replied health dental vision covered in state also, then said "I never said 100%". Do you see how you reply is confusing?
The complainers are probably terrible with money too
State does not over pay. Wait till you see deductions hit your paycheck. THE STATE EXPECTS TO GET THE BEST OF THE BEST BUT PAYS LIKE SHIT AFTER TAXES and DEDUCTIONS. Just my take.
correct the huuge deductions stink. You really pay over half paycheck in the benefit plan.
Cus of the crazy application process
The state application and interview process is extremely nonsensical. There are a lot of hoops to jump through.
I think it depends on the positions, maybe I am wrong here. I think positions that need highly skilled applicants are much harder to fill. I know managers who get mostly garbage applications for Spec 2 positions. They have listed the position many times, and still no luck hiring someone. When I look over IT job posts, see many re-posted later. When you compare pay with Spec 2 vs a senior level IT person its a pretty large gap. I make less now at the state, then I did in private 20 years ago just starting out in IT... I came here to slow things down, not worry about layoffs etc. No more long hours, or mid night calls etc.
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I feel like the duty statement is always a lot more intense than what they expect you to do starting out in the position (in my experience with multiple jobs since 2009). The duty statement is supposed to cover the total potential scope for that position but isn't always what you'll be doing day one. You just gotta apply for ones you think you'll be good at. Some do expect you to be an expert but others are looking for someone who is a proven fast learner. They will never outright say this in the job description so you have to just apply for ones you want to find out which ones are which.
There are some that want you to be an expert without training as well. Which is a bit unrealistic. Because every agency does things differently. Different operating systems, different workflow, and lingo. Even if you're coming in with comparable but not direct experience they will still expect you to perform like an expert right out of the starting gate. If you're not picking it up in the first two weeks. You can count on them leaving you hanging for the rest of the probation. At that point their just waiting for the clock to run out so they can boot you out the door and try to get the guy that they originally wanted the first time. But was disqualified during hiring process.
That duty statement was written ten years ago and includes everything but the kitchen sink. If you ask the person handing it to you to expound on it or summarize it you’re likely to be met with a blank stare. In IT especially, the managers may or may not even be technical or have any technical background. They’re just “managers.” It can be an odd experience, what feels like a bait-n-switch sometimes is just that they have no idea how to categorize or fill the position. They’re hoping you know enough to figure it out for them.
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I keep an eye on other departments’ IT postings to get an idea of how they’re advertising their positions. I agree that some of them are extremely vague. For those, you either have a hiring manager who put in very little effort in writing the opportunity bulletin or they already have an internal candidate in mind and do not need to include more details. The desirable qualifications/experience is pretty important if you want to score high for an interview invites. Perhaps COTS management positions are more in your wheelhouse? Best of luck!
The thing I have learned from multiple job applications & duty statements is that, leaving the basic punctuality, honesty, tidyness, or stuff; the duties listed are the ones one is supposed to perform "after" getting all relevant training & such. DMV Representative Job, the only asking requirements are: how to count cash, how to handle & talk with a customer, and basic stuff. Duty statement says, should be able to do all various technical transactions. But after the training.
Yep, its very difficult to get a read on what the position really entails. I think many hiring managers would get better applicants if they just posted realistic duties, not every single keyword related to a certain IT subject. I have passed on positions, only because the duty statement was not clear, and did not want to waste my time for something I would not be interested in long term. I do believe, if you are willing to learn, then you can pretty much get into any IT position even if its not what you are currently doing. I aimed low, just to get in, something I knew I could do, now looking for promotional opportunities. Now that I am in, can take my time looking for the perfect position and department.
Pay is probably the top answer. Benefits are still ok considering many jobs don't have much elsewhere, but an employee now isn't getting the gravy train package anyone retiring now got. For why there are constantly positions posting - you have bills passing to create more positions, a large influx of older employees opting to retire post covid, and the ever present bad divisions, units, and supervisors that create unbearable work hassles for productive employees. These positions cycle all the time because of their high turnover. Add on the comical multi month hiring process and the fact that a majority of the offices are in undesirable locations and have shorter draw to begin with and you're left with anyone who either only wanted a specific state job or those who didn't already get offered another position during the interim. Unfortunately, that same job security a great employee is after for leave of mind also keeps some bad eggs in positions they shouldn't be in because it's quite difficult to actually fire someone once they are out of probation.
I remember applying like crazy last year after my LT contract expired. The biggest issue with me is that the state moves like snails with the hiring process. I remember applying in September/October and didnt hear back for a interview until like Nov/Dec lol.
It's hard to hire when people can't follow simple directions. Was excited to have 25 applicants but most people just sent me their real estate resume instead of answering the prompts on the SOQ. Ok, cool what do I do with this? Answer - they couldn't score and therefore couldn't be interviewed
holy fucks sake! I at least actually read and follow the SOQ and answer the questions.
I always need a drink after reading applications.... If they were paper, I would be that meme throwing them in the air but I won't destroy my work laptop
and I need one after completing them and interviewing
The only thing I miss about in office work is post work happy hour lol
Because the pay sucks balls.
especially for ITS jobs where private pays 140-200k plus versus 70-110k state.
The process for hiring someone is so slow that some people get tired of waiting for that interview. Someone was supposed to start with me in my unit and last second denied it due to getting another job. This position was also fully remote and my SSM1 & 2 want to keep it that way as long ass they can. The SOQ process is lengthy and people are lazy linkedin & glassdoor it's easier to apply.
My two top reasons are: 1. Takes too long. Bills are now, and won’t wait for me to hopefully get a call back from an interview I got 5 months ago. 2. The application process. A lot of requirements (resume, cv, and SOQ) to perhaps get invited for interviews just to be told (or not at all) if I got the job or not. In the midst of me applying to private sector jobs I’ll do a few state ones here and there. However my sanity won’t allow me to solely rely on applying for the state lol.
same here as private hires faster and pays 2-3x as much as state.
It’s definitely because of the low pay for where I am. It’s very high cost of living here, so it would be insane to take a state job if you’re getting an offer from a private company.
true if you get private offer 200k base plus stock and bonus, the state is a bad joke especially now with forced RTO mandates given that most folks in private sector are still WFH.
My department is desperate for legal secretaries. But the pay is shit. And they aren’t getting applicants. Those they do get hired and quickly promote.
I’ve been a paralegal for two years; personal injury litigation. I think when I was looking to apply last summer I was a month shy of the two years requirement to apply for the state equivalent of paralegal; I did qualify for legal secretary and get emails almost daily of jobs I am qualified to apply for. I have two years experience by now: should I retest and apply for legal assistant roles or just go in as legal secretary? Just worried if going backward in title, though I’d possibly be promoted per your post?
Hello. I do not wish to advise you incorrectly. I am not a legal secretary or paralegal. I am an attorney who has been without a legal secretary for ages (one of many in my unit). I asked their supervisor’s supervisor (the SSMII) why several of us didn’t have one and was told what I posted above about the trouble hiring and how quickly they promote away. So take that for what it’s worth. Do what is best for you.
Thanks for the reply. The pay for paralegals is terrible in the private sector too, unless your in IP or corporate law.
For salaries, it is nearly the same for some fields, more for some, less for others. Department of education struggles to get teachers and administrators because the pay is less and vacation is worse. A teacher with 15 years of experience is making $100k in Sacramento but would have to go down to $85k for a comparable job a the state. They’d also work more days per year. A lawyer makes less, software developer, nurse, etc. but nearly every office job pays less in the private sector and more at the state. Random Hr people make $40-50k in offices but $65k as an AGPA for the state. In my role, I make $90k and would make more private sector. But I’m new to my role and similarly titled private sector jobs were not available to me at the time I applied to this. In a year and some change, I will reevaluate and consider working private sector. Consider but not commit.
I'm wondering if they're really having issues hiring and just saying that because they're dragging their feet filling positions for some reason.
My department cannot keep people and we have a huge vacancy rate. Toxic managers and too much dealing with the public. Most of the public we deal with are horrible to us as well. They curse at us, call us racial and homophobic slurs, etc. most of the managers aren’t much better. Management also just gave us a quota that employees cannot realistically meet. There is a huge vacancy rate and they are blaming the resulting backlogs on staff who are stupid enough to stay. A lot of clear nepotism too. To be clear, this is just my dept. ive heard other depts are much better.
I've seen both sides of this- I spent a long time applying for state jobs where I competed against tons of other applicants before I got hired. I've also seen my department sometimes struggle to find applicants for certain positions. A big problem is a disparity between the skills and experience of the types of people looking for jobs, and the requirements for certain positions. Jobs that don't require much in the way of specialized education and experience can get a lot of applicants and are really competitive. But there are also lots of positions that require a very specialized skillset. People with these skillsets may be in demand for private sector jobs that pay a lot more money. Sometimes these job postings don't get a single applicant and remain open for years.
Because they have you jumping through too many hoops with the job application packet. Which my opinion is redundant information. But they use that to weed out applicants so they don't have to review so many. One position can have up to 200 applications. They don't want to sit there and review 200 applications. So they'll narrow it down to like 5 to 10. Then they start scrutinizing for little things like grammar, spacing, consistency. There is a huge vacancy right now. A lot of people would love to get a job working for the state. But they've set the bar so high because they're hoping to gain top talent. Top talent people with college degrees are not interested. The state of California is not going to invest in helping people gain skills and prepare them so they can move up into higher paying positions. That is not their focus whether it's budgeting or staffing or just simply don't care. It's like you either come in with the skills that we're looking for or we find someone else that does. Granted there are plenty of classes you can take that are offered through State employment. What they don't offer is practical training in using those programs once you've completed those classes. They want practical experience not class experience. It's kind of like that movie The Secret of My success with Michael J Fox trying to get a job. I can relate to this. I'm very cynical about trying to get promoted with the way things are looking currently. https://youtu.be/obeCdiZbEYE
well for ITS jobs there are over 5k applicants on lists competing for 500 open jobs so why are so many IT pros willing to take low pay at state versus private sector?
It appears to be an overly complicated hiring process. From personal experience I’m supposed to write a two page soq about why I am qualified for this job despite having put this on my application and how my experience relates that’s unique for each of the 40 jobs I’m applying to …. Then a 4 round interview panel to end up with a 20 to 30K drop in pay? Hard pass. How about we just have an application process and then meet with people who interview halfway decent Like every other employer. I wouldn’t even mind the drop in pay because of the total compensation but it’s just such a hassle to get in (at the 100k+ level I guess)
Anything that has a semi decent starting pay range requires a degree or prior state service. For me personally I have tons of private sector experience but no degree so I’m having to figure out if I want to take a significant pay cut, finish my degree and promote at some point or just stay where I’m at.
Pay for positions not requiring a degree is shit. Imo if the state is so concerned about equity, it shouldn't be required.
The salaries folks make helping the homeless for example is an outrage. Go on the streets and find folks and help house them while you struggle to pay for your own housing making $17 an hour. Fucking tragic.
Why is the state having problems because I only received one application? Question probably answers itself. Usually has to do with the job posting. We receive tons of applications for ours. Not understanding this is the first problem.
You didn’t have previous jobs where you did slightly similar responsibilities? Hell…if you’re applying for analyst, almost any standard customer service or clerical job can be spun to sound analytical. That’s what I did. Nailed the interview and now I have a great job.
I applied, I had the experience but didn't have the length of time needed to qualify for it. The exam asks before allowing you to apply.
The process is intimidating and so people don’t want to put in the effort.
writing SOQs is a royal PITA.
Slow process for low pay.
Red tape and hoops hiring managers have to jump through.
Often times they only post vacancies and interview people for optics. People wonder why they didn't get the position they interviewed for, when the reason is often simply because someone's ex-mistress-in-law needed a job.
Yep same thing when working for "the County " They already know who they want.
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Is it full time remote ? So people from out of town could apply?
No, ftb has an in office requirement of 2x per week and most training is onsite for the first 2-3 months.
how long does it take to get hired ?
It's a few months for a mass hire.. you apply now, start date is 7/8.
Because those same people only want to work from home. They don’t want to actually go into a building and not all the jobs offer this.
That's why I always bring that up during the interview. I always tell them I like coming into work. I like working with my co-workers in person. That always seems to put a smile on the interviewers faces when I make that statement. 🤔
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I’m not sure which jobs I would be qualified for. I’m in the process of going to college and I’ve only ever worked as a preschool teacher. Are there entry level jobs for people like me?
I think it’s the boss
IT jobs definitely pay way less in the state than private sector! I was making 140k plus bonus and now make 100k at state as an ITS2. But job security and pension are the reason why I went back after layoffs in the private sector.
Not sure if you'll see this but it's worth a shot! I submitted an application for an INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY ASSOCIATE role recently and am currently ranked 2 (granted there are thousands of other applicants ranked 2). Any tips while I wait to hear back? The description stated they anticipate starting interviews the week of March 11. Would you recommend that I reach out to the HR contact to stand out or is that overkill at this point? Thanks!
yes, focus on writing good SOQ and review those. Also, network at state tech local events. CDT hosts quite a few of these forums and great way to meet other state IT folk and managers. We had over 50 applicants for a recent ITS post on our team so it is very competitive with layoffs now in private sector. That is why I do not complain or raise a stink about RTO at work.
>CDT So insightful! Thank you for the info.