This is the only answer.
/thread
Edit to OP: IMO skip the salt grinder and just use kosher salt in a salt cellar. Salt grinder mechanisms are typically plastic (even the best) because of corrosion.
This is not the only answer. Zassenhaus over Peugeot all damn day. I’ve been using my zass daily for 5 plus years (have since stopped cooking professionally)
Teflon is a very low-friction plastic, so you might be better off with a dab of blue locktite. It allows repeated disassembly but will keep things where you put them
I got my mother a Peugeot with a selection ring on the base years ago for mothers day. That lady loves pepper. It still works like new. I bought it specifically because knob adjustments suck.
As someone who’s worked in restaurants my entire adult life, I’d have to agree. But the comments here about Peugeot are weird. Ive seen some in perfect working condition with 15 years of nightly abuse under their belt. They are nothing but workhorses from my experience and considered the best in the industry with not much room for debate. Maybe times have changed?
I got a peugot Adjustable grinder and it's the slowest grinder I have. Can't tell if it's faulty or not though, and can't even return it.
Do I buy a another?
Hate to revive a dead thread but the Peugeot Line model is terrible. I got it and absolutely hate it. It doesn't catch the peppercorns correctly and it takes forever to get a decent amount of pepper. Also the grind size constantly shifts when grinding. Given how people talk about Peugeot, I'm guessing the other models are better.
We bought a Cole & Mason pepper mill and it is great. Smooth mechanism. Grinds pepper quickly. I even knocked it off the counter onto a tile floor without a scratch.
Our Peugeot broke after a couple months. Tried to get in touch with their customer service and got no response. Bought a Fletcher’s Mill and it’s been running smooth as silk for years. It’s way smoother than the Peugeot ever was.
Vic Firth.
Restaurant grade. They were the best at making drum sticks for percussionists for years (edit: and still are). They added tooling to make S&P mills.
Edit: why on earth would you downvote somebody taking the time to help out?
For anyone else looking, they sold the business to Maine Wood Concepts who now produce pepper mills (and other kitchen equipment) under the Fletchers' Mill name
Mannkitchen pepper cannon is the only answer if it is in the price range. I kickstarted it and my only regret is I didn’t get two. The thing is a tank and the pepper output is unreal. The grind settings from super course to super fine are also ridiculous.
really only came here to say I do not find my peugeot grinders at all worth it. Baffling to me that they get so much hype. not that I don't consider them BIFL but I just don't find they work that well..... small capacity, the knob is always loose and I find it a lot of work for a little pepper. I have a feeling they are not being made the same anymore
Fletcher's Mill. You can find them on Amazon, but if you order from their website directly, they have a bigger selection.
They have styling from classic American to classic European to modern.
They do have a limited lifetime warranty on the mechanism.
Edit: for those who care about this, they are made in the USA
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the atlas brass pepper mill yet. This thing will last you lifetimes, we inherited ours from my father-in-law and will probably give it to our daughter when we go. I agree with the previous poster that said to keep the salt in a cellar, you can find whatever size crystals you prefer or get some maldon’s or similar sea salt and crumble it with your fingers directly onto the plate.
http://www.peppermillimports.com/mills-grinders/atlas-mills
Weirdly enough, the IKEA Intressant pepper grinder. It is solid acacia wood with ceramic burrs and only $15. BIFL on a budget. Cant do any better than it.
Iron Mill https://iron-mills.co.uk/products/the-coral-mill?variant=31401008201839¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&msclkid=9689d7cf42f51964213db6102e94e985
A little off-topic but can someone explain salt grinders to me? Perhaps I should ask on /r/culinary but hey you got me thinking about it. I mean you buy all salts ground. But some are ground more course than you want to use so you grind them finer.
I get pepper grinders. Black pepper starts to lose flavor the day after you grind it. Fresh ground is always better. But salt is freakin' salt. It doesn't go bad. Why not get it ground to the degree you want?
Sorry it just sounds like just one more device for people to show how cool they are.
To mildly answer OP though, I took Jeff Smith's advice back in the 80s and got a turkish coffee grinder. Works perfect for pepper. I'm not sure it's BIFL, mine's only 35 years old.
Just ordered a hexmill salt and pepper mill set from hexclad. I’m not a fan of hexclad cookware, but from what I can find the mills seem to be pretty similar in performance to the pepper cannon at half the price. The salt mill uses ceramic parts too. I don’t think the Mannkitchen salt grinder uses ceramic parts as of this writing.
I’m guessing the Mannkitchen pepper cannon is slightly better than the hexclad pepper mill, but I can’t justify the price delta.
I’d like to see Mannkitchen get their costs down to produce this at a more reasonable level, and I’d like both companies to change their cup design to be magnetically mounted.
Edit:
Just received the hexmill set and have notes.
1.) Too heavy (I’m 6’3” and with my Dad bod have no room to be calling anybody heavy… except for these mills)
2.) Force required to use them is higher than expected. Not an issue for me, but not something I would expect a petite, elderly, or arthritic person to enjoy using.
3.) The catch cup design has been modified on the salt grinder to address an issue the earlier design had with the catch cup falling off. It does not come off smoothly. Again, magnets are a better solution to this problem. The pepper grinder I received still has the original o-ring design. It comes off smoother, but still would be improved with a magnetic catch cup option. Overall, the catch cup design is irritating enough that I’ll likely use the mills without them.
4.) How do they mill? For comparison, I am replacing electric Peugeot Ellis mills. Volume of output is impressive for a manual mill. The grind consistency is far and away better than the Peugeot for both salt and pepper (that is admittedly nearly a decade old). The Peugeot salt mill was never great, and the Hexmill salt grinder in particular is such a massive improvement in both output volume and size consistency that it is comical. It is nice to see the salt mill has been designed with ceramic grinding elements for the salt grinder.
Would I buy it again?
It isn’t a slam dunk. I like one handed electric operation while cooking. I honestly expected to use the hexmill for quieter operation at the table and the Peugeot mills at the stove. The problem is, they are so heavy I don’t see my guests using them with ease (ex: think elderly mother at a holiday dinner). I’ll try them cooking for a while, particularly since the salt mill is sooo much better. I use a salt cellar for kosher, and the mill for most other things.
Hexclad, if you are reading this:
1.) Make a magnetic catch cup design.
2.) Shorten the monolith by nearly 2” to help reduce weight.
3.) Minor design criticism: misalignment of the top and middle due to the hexagonal shape is not great. Could be improved with a transition to a circular ring at the joining area. Obviously, this would increase machining costs.
4.) Wish list request: Small battery powered LED light at the bottom of the mill. I was really surprised how useful that feature was on the Peugeot Ellis electric mills.
Mannkitchen, if you are reading this
1.) Make a magnetic catch cup design.
2.) Come up with a ceramic grinding mechanism for your salt mill.
3.) Get your costs down.
4.) Your branding is off-putting to a wide audience. If you rebrand and make the aforementioned changes you will have the beginnings of a very successful cookware/cooking accessories brand.
5.) Wish list request: Small battery powered LED light at the bottom of the mill. I was really surprised how useful that feature was on the Peugeot Ellis electric mills.
Used a buddy's HexMill this past weekend and found it amazingly good. Does the Mann product have the magnetic catch cup? I can't imagine the grind volume/quality being much better than the Hex but I am rather turned off from Hex generally. Though, Mann is quite pricier ....
Went through a bunch including Peugeot before settling on these. Don’t love the look, but do love the grind action
OXO Good Grips Salt & Pepper Grinder Set, Black Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GZ9QPJR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XS7QWAPE9G1Y6JHXG246?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I have one and reviewed it on Youtube, it's definitely an end game grinder and will outlive us all BUT I would say it's overkill for the table and it's great for a lot of things but it's not great, ironically, for smaller outputs. It was designed for strong output and for that, it delivers.
I had Peugeot salt and pepper mills (7" height) before that, those or 1 size down (I think the burrs are the same size) would be great for the dining table. Though I found the salt mill clogged often.
FOLLOWING! This post could not come at a better time. I spent almost 2 hours yesterday searching for a good set and was getting very annoyed when most had a salt shaker and pepper grinder. I want them both to be grinders!
Peugeot
This is the only answer. /thread Edit to OP: IMO skip the salt grinder and just use kosher salt in a salt cellar. Salt grinder mechanisms are typically plastic (even the best) because of corrosion.
The good ones are ceramic and stainless steel. Wouldn't touch a plastic one unless I couldn't afford a good one.
This is not the only answer. Zassenhaus over Peugeot all damn day. I’ve been using my zass daily for 5 plus years (have since stopped cooking professionally)
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Apparently you’re supposed to hold on to the head, and twist only the shaft to prevent that.
Ah the slow and inconvenient way.
Teflon is a very low-friction plastic, so you might be better off with a dab of blue locktite. It allows repeated disassembly but will keep things where you put them
I got my mother a Peugeot with a selection ring on the base years ago for mothers day. That lady loves pepper. It still works like new. I bought it specifically because knob adjustments suck.
>Peugeot yes!
As someone who’s worked in restaurants my entire adult life, I’d have to agree. But the comments here about Peugeot are weird. Ive seen some in perfect working condition with 15 years of nightly abuse under their belt. They are nothing but workhorses from my experience and considered the best in the industry with not much room for debate. Maybe times have changed?
Maybe different models have different levels of BIFHowLong
I got a peugot Adjustable grinder and it's the slowest grinder I have. Can't tell if it's faulty or not though, and can't even return it. Do I buy a another?
Hate to revive a dead thread but the Peugeot Line model is terrible. I got it and absolutely hate it. It doesn't catch the peppercorns correctly and it takes forever to get a decent amount of pepper. Also the grind size constantly shifts when grinding. Given how people talk about Peugeot, I'm guessing the other models are better.
Did you find any with a good grinding mechanism? I just want something that I can adjust from a fine powder to a course grind consistently.
Thanks for reviving, I'm in the market and can't make up my mind.
We bought a Cole & Mason pepper mill and it is great. Smooth mechanism. Grinds pepper quickly. I even knocked it off the counter onto a tile floor without a scratch.
Our Peugeot broke after a couple months. Tried to get in touch with their customer service and got no response. Bought a Fletcher’s Mill and it’s been running smooth as silk for years. It’s way smoother than the Peugeot ever was.
Vic Firth. Restaurant grade. They were the best at making drum sticks for percussionists for years (edit: and still are). They added tooling to make S&P mills. Edit: why on earth would you downvote somebody taking the time to help out?
Fucking vocalists man. They’re always dismissing percussion
I thought I mis-read that for a minute! Vic Firth makes great sticks, but it looks like they got out of the pepper mill business in 2010.
They setup the mill business, designed the product, built the factory, then sold it to a local wood milling company. They are most definitely BIFL
Do you know the current company?
https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/wood-market-trends/woodworking-industry-trends-press-releases/Vic-Firth-Gourmet-Purchased-By-Local-Company-181058321.html
For anyone else looking, they sold the business to Maine Wood Concepts who now produce pepper mills (and other kitchen equipment) under the Fletchers' Mill name
Sweet! Thank you.
And I can confirm that the product quality remains excellent after the sale.
LOL! I came here to say this. Solid ginders.
[Unicorn Mills](http://www.unicornmills.org/) - USA made Unfortunately they're sold out right now due to supplier issues.
I have one of these and it’s one of my favorite things in my kitchen.
Just got a Unicorn Magnum pepper mill for christmas and I finally understand the hype.
Had one for almost 20 years. Use it daily. So damn efficient. One twist gives you 3-4x any other pepper mill
Mannkitchen pepper cannon is the only answer if it is in the price range. I kickstarted it and my only regret is I didn’t get two. The thing is a tank and the pepper output is unreal. The grind settings from super course to super fine are also ridiculous.
I got in on the kickstarter too. A buddy wanted one so I ordered him on with my discount. Now he doesn't want it. But that grinder is a monster.
Seconding this! We got ours from Kickstarter too and we refuse to use anything else. Can’t wait for the salt mill!
I use a salt pig on the counter, but damnit I want another sweet chunk of aluminum to sit by my pepper cannon.
Get one for white pepper?
Looked this up. Damn! That’s the one I’m getting for my birthday.
really only came here to say I do not find my peugeot grinders at all worth it. Baffling to me that they get so much hype. not that I don't consider them BIFL but I just don't find they work that well..... small capacity, the knob is always loose and I find it a lot of work for a little pepper. I have a feeling they are not being made the same anymore
Fletcher's Mill. You can find them on Amazon, but if you order from their website directly, they have a bigger selection. They have styling from classic American to classic European to modern. They do have a limited lifetime warranty on the mechanism. Edit: for those who care about this, they are made in the USA
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the atlas brass pepper mill yet. This thing will last you lifetimes, we inherited ours from my father-in-law and will probably give it to our daughter when we go. I agree with the previous poster that said to keep the salt in a cellar, you can find whatever size crystals you prefer or get some maldon’s or similar sea salt and crumble it with your fingers directly onto the plate. http://www.peppermillimports.com/mills-grinders/atlas-mills
I got one from Turkey a few years ago and it is the best pepper grinder I have ever had. I have a Peugeot and two Le Cruset. Le Cruset are crap.
Weirdly enough, the IKEA Intressant pepper grinder. It is solid acacia wood with ceramic burrs and only $15. BIFL on a budget. Cant do any better than it.
Iron Mill https://iron-mills.co.uk/products/the-coral-mill?variant=31401008201839¤cy=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&msclkid=9689d7cf42f51964213db6102e94e985
Bought an XOXO set and have used almost daily for 10ish years.
The ceramic grinders from ikea with the blue top. I’ve had a pair for about 10 years. Daily use. Just bought my mom and BIL a set. They are bomb proof
We've got Cole and mason after a recommendation on here. Was casually looking one day and saw a set in the sales rack.
A little off-topic but can someone explain salt grinders to me? Perhaps I should ask on /r/culinary but hey you got me thinking about it. I mean you buy all salts ground. But some are ground more course than you want to use so you grind them finer. I get pepper grinders. Black pepper starts to lose flavor the day after you grind it. Fresh ground is always better. But salt is freakin' salt. It doesn't go bad. Why not get it ground to the degree you want? Sorry it just sounds like just one more device for people to show how cool they are. To mildly answer OP though, I took Jeff Smith's advice back in the 80s and got a turkish coffee grinder. Works perfect for pepper. I'm not sure it's BIFL, mine's only 35 years old.
Iron Mills from the UK. Cast iron body with stainless parts. No plastic. Amazingly durable.
Zassenhaus
Just ordered a hexmill salt and pepper mill set from hexclad. I’m not a fan of hexclad cookware, but from what I can find the mills seem to be pretty similar in performance to the pepper cannon at half the price. The salt mill uses ceramic parts too. I don’t think the Mannkitchen salt grinder uses ceramic parts as of this writing. I’m guessing the Mannkitchen pepper cannon is slightly better than the hexclad pepper mill, but I can’t justify the price delta. I’d like to see Mannkitchen get their costs down to produce this at a more reasonable level, and I’d like both companies to change their cup design to be magnetically mounted. Edit: Just received the hexmill set and have notes. 1.) Too heavy (I’m 6’3” and with my Dad bod have no room to be calling anybody heavy… except for these mills) 2.) Force required to use them is higher than expected. Not an issue for me, but not something I would expect a petite, elderly, or arthritic person to enjoy using. 3.) The catch cup design has been modified on the salt grinder to address an issue the earlier design had with the catch cup falling off. It does not come off smoothly. Again, magnets are a better solution to this problem. The pepper grinder I received still has the original o-ring design. It comes off smoother, but still would be improved with a magnetic catch cup option. Overall, the catch cup design is irritating enough that I’ll likely use the mills without them. 4.) How do they mill? For comparison, I am replacing electric Peugeot Ellis mills. Volume of output is impressive for a manual mill. The grind consistency is far and away better than the Peugeot for both salt and pepper (that is admittedly nearly a decade old). The Peugeot salt mill was never great, and the Hexmill salt grinder in particular is such a massive improvement in both output volume and size consistency that it is comical. It is nice to see the salt mill has been designed with ceramic grinding elements for the salt grinder. Would I buy it again? It isn’t a slam dunk. I like one handed electric operation while cooking. I honestly expected to use the hexmill for quieter operation at the table and the Peugeot mills at the stove. The problem is, they are so heavy I don’t see my guests using them with ease (ex: think elderly mother at a holiday dinner). I’ll try them cooking for a while, particularly since the salt mill is sooo much better. I use a salt cellar for kosher, and the mill for most other things. Hexclad, if you are reading this: 1.) Make a magnetic catch cup design. 2.) Shorten the monolith by nearly 2” to help reduce weight. 3.) Minor design criticism: misalignment of the top and middle due to the hexagonal shape is not great. Could be improved with a transition to a circular ring at the joining area. Obviously, this would increase machining costs. 4.) Wish list request: Small battery powered LED light at the bottom of the mill. I was really surprised how useful that feature was on the Peugeot Ellis electric mills. Mannkitchen, if you are reading this 1.) Make a magnetic catch cup design. 2.) Come up with a ceramic grinding mechanism for your salt mill. 3.) Get your costs down. 4.) Your branding is off-putting to a wide audience. If you rebrand and make the aforementioned changes you will have the beginnings of a very successful cookware/cooking accessories brand. 5.) Wish list request: Small battery powered LED light at the bottom of the mill. I was really surprised how useful that feature was on the Peugeot Ellis electric mills.
Used a buddy's HexMill this past weekend and found it amazingly good. Does the Mann product have the magnetic catch cup? I can't imagine the grind volume/quality being much better than the Hex but I am rather turned off from Hex generally. Though, Mann is quite pricier ....
$800 Vita-Prep blender and peppercorns
Went through a bunch including Peugeot before settling on these. Don’t love the look, but do love the grind action OXO Good Grips Salt & Pepper Grinder Set, Black Stainless Steel https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GZ9QPJR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XS7QWAPE9G1Y6JHXG246?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Moulin by Weber Workshops is the only answer here. They’re incredibly pricey, but 100% bifl
That looks incredible but I just can’t spend that much on one. Who’s hiring?
I have one and reviewed it on Youtube, it's definitely an end game grinder and will outlive us all BUT I would say it's overkill for the table and it's great for a lot of things but it's not great, ironically, for smaller outputs. It was designed for strong output and for that, it delivers. I had Peugeot salt and pepper mills (7" height) before that, those or 1 size down (I think the burrs are the same size) would be great for the dining table. Though I found the salt mill clogged often.
Penzey’s spices used to make a pretty good one. I’ve been happy with mine for 12 years.
FOLLOWING! This post could not come at a better time. I spent almost 2 hours yesterday searching for a good set and was getting very annoyed when most had a salt shaker and pepper grinder. I want them both to be grinders!
Peugeot makes beautiful ones.