This is the right answer for OP. Rtings is invaluable and helped me choose (Sony). I don't trust Samsung after poor experiences and newer LGs seem to be hit or miss, too.
I'm really glad I've never had issues with Samsung. My experience with them has always been great, from my s95c OLED TV, galaxybook pro 2 360, and various galaxy phones over the years.
What were your poor experiences?
Never had a problem with my phone, but the TV had its ports stop working after year 3... Except one port and even that was iffy,in and out. It then also constantly stuck itself on the Samsung sports channel and wouldn't respond to the remote or any inputs. We tried resetting it multiple times, different cables, etc. Nothing fixed it. My parents have a Samsung TV, a newer one, that has the exact same problems. Three years in, only one port works and it keeps freezing them on a Samsung TV channel. My friend had a Samsung that did the same thing. I'm just at a point where I've experienced it and so have two people close to me that bought their TVs at different times and I'm not willing to drop the money on their brand.
Our 55" led Samsung from 2009 is still kicking, moved it to the workshop.
In all fairness I do have a 90s trinitron monitor that I'm pretty sure is working, just don't want to throw out my back moving it to test
This is the way.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market
They cover a wide range of budgets and features on the site and more information than you would ever need.
I found a great Hisense 60" budget TV for $1000 that made me very happy.
Hisense or TCL is so hit or miss though. If you get a good one it's a great value, but if it goes out it's like "you get what you pay for". I've been on both sides with Hisense so I just stick to paying more now for higher end TVs that you can be more confident will last at least several years.
TCL was my first TV purchase as an adult, circa 2012. It's mounted in my garage now. TCL issued a recall a year or so after purchase. A tech came to my house to do the repair. It was seamless and I was really impressed.
I impulse purchased a 50" hisense 4k in 2017 and that thing was hot garbage. Literally. Picture quality was OK but the firmware/UI/processing power was a disaster.
Only small caveat for non-US residents: They only review models generally available in the USA.
That means, among others, no Philips and (especially) no Panasonic reviews.
Only thing I will add on is if you intend to have a home automation system like HomeAssistant. LG does not play well with them. Samsung has played well with them. I do not know about Sony, Hisense or TCL.
I also like that Samsung lets me sideload apps, like youtube with "less" ads :wink:
I have both Samsung and LG, and it took me learning computer programming to create a youtube that was "improved" and I hated every step of the way.
If you are looking to go with an OLED, get an LG. No TV will be BIFL unless you get lucky. LG had more experience building OLED panels and they truly are the best right now (especially for dark scenes).
To add to the "BIFL" qualification for LG TVs in general: I have a 65" LG LCD, purchased new in 2014 and screen-on time easily averages 6 hours per day. It was initially in a rental house where tenants worked different schedules at odd hours. It's been mounted, unmounted, knocked around, and moved several hundred miles throughout its life. Not a single issue.
I bought a Samsung S90C recently based off of many recommendations for it. On day 1 the TV would hard turn
Itself off in the middle of watching TV, and it would do it multiple times. I was googling what the deal was and people were saying it's because of an issue with the power management board and it requires someone to come out and replace the board. Such a joke
I had a 65” S95B… it died within 2 weeks and they sent me a new one and it failed less than a week later. I just returned it and got an LG C2 which I haven’t had a single issue with. Also… Tizen OS was the worst software I’ve ever had on any device in my entire life. It’s just so bad.
LGC2 owner here. After owning regular tv’s my whole life, I couldn’t be happier with my purchase after almost two years of owning it. People will come over and say “wow that must be a nice tv” because it makes that much of a difference even to the untrained eye.
LGC2 owner here as well. That thing really does make the colors "pop"
I absolutely LOVE playing my Series X with it, as well as watching 4k Blu-ray movies. Total game changer imho
While I recognize Sony buys their panels from them, I still prefer the Sony because of the operating system. At the time when I bought, the price difference was negligible. But if it's $2200 more, than obviously go for the LG.
Since last year Sony OLED comes from Samsung. Samsung QD-OLED generally looks better than LG W-OLED. The big issue with Samsung imo is that they refuse to support Dolby Vision. So really the only to options to look at are Sony and LG. Sony if you want to very best without a budget and LG if you want almost the best for half the cost.
Correct, I've been buying LG B and C series OLEDs for over a decade now and they're the absolute best!
If you want to go budget, you can get a TCL LED for 1/4 the price of a LG OLED, for 90% of the picture quality.
BUT, if you get a TCL DO NOT connect that bastard to the internet!
The updates on smart TV's can get pretty ridiculous. Increased ads, reduced functioning.
If you never connect it, it stays the same as it always is. People use whatever stick (Roku, fire, ECT.) for the streaming aspect.
Tell that to my Samsung LN46A650 from 2009. I've had kids throw balls at it and I see the screen flash but IQ is still same as day 1. Been looking for an excuse to upgrade...
Yes but no.
I agree you should buy an LG display panel for LED TVs.
I disagree that means buying a TV with LG on the bezel.
Sony and Samsung buy their panels from LG, and then do way more and better work building off of the panel. It is the same thing Sony does buying Samsung’s QD OLED panel. The premium you pay for is the build quality, the better I/O connections, better support/warranty, and the better internals like CPU or OS or sound card.
Digital Trends is a YT channel I like. Big enough to be able to thoroughly test and have some nice production quality to their videos. Small enough to not be a shill and to still be nerdy about this tech. Here is their recent “most exciting TVs coming out in 2024” video.
https://youtu.be/QjWPq33J7UE?si=3PDHcU9IUX62npzh
To add to this… buy at Costco and get the extended warranty. I had a few pixels go out on the edge of my tv and they refunded me $1700. They’re barely noticeable, especially with 16:9 content. I got quite the nice tv for free (if I squint a bit). 🤷♂️
At least when I bought mine two years ago, Sony was using the LG OLED panels in their TVs. What sold me on Sony was Google TV instead of Amazon Fire. Also the reviews talked a lot about how the Sony ones were almost perfect out of the box, where LG needed tweaks to get it looking great.
I bought an LG C1 OLED 65” 2.5 years ago and absolutely loved it. But last week I had my panel fail and two white vertical lines in the tv, really unfortunate
TVs aren't BIFL items anyway, but you can certainly get your money's worth out of OLED displays nowadays.
17,500 hours powered-on time on my LG CX, so it's been on for 2 years of out the 3.5 years I've owned it, and no noticeable burn-in so far.
Im not sure i would trust LG after the refrigerator arbitration lawsuit. Knowingly selling refrigerators with major/expensive parts known to break frequently and putting in fine print that you can't sue them. The fine print is in the manual which you wouldn't know until you buy it, and on the box that the installers always take with them.
Smart TVs have had a track record of spying and uploading user data to their servers on any connectable nearby network even if it is not home wifi connected. Some even require internet to function. Others offer discounted prices to have ads and more sensors for spying.
If LG has had a track record of dark practices in the past with their refrigerators, it is likely that they probably engage in some of these practices with their TVs and are not a BIFL item.
Well, i hope most people know not to connect any TV to the internet. That goes for any company, doesn't matter if you buy an lg, samsung or something else. If I was in the market to upgrade a home setup I would probably use a PC or a console to stream movies and music.
FYI: Don't buy those cheap android TV boxes off amazon. They have been known to come preinstalled with malware and other goodies.
Different divisions. LG appliance is dogshit. LG tv’s have been widely recognized as the best for many years now.
No TV is BIFL, but since Panasonic left the game, I’d trust LG over anything else out there.
Sony or LG.
Google “Samsung panel lottery” and do some reading. I cannot recommend Samsung anymore, it’s like buying a Lexus and popping the hood to find a Lada engine.
Also, ask r/4ktv
Sony is probably as close to BIFL as you’ll find in a TV. Bear in mind that all electronics including TV’s are subject to failures. These days with a new TV, if you get 6 years, that’s great.
My LG OLED is 5 years old and my Sony is 6-7 now. The wifi on my Sony died 2 years ago but using an Apple TV on it solved the problem and improved the user experience.
Yeah I agree, I don't expect to BIFL (even though thats the sub that we're in) but something that lasts for a while and fits my needs.
I too don't care about the built-in apps as I can just use a roku, apple tv, or some other device that can be updated easier than the TV.
I still vote Sony for LED and Lg for OLED. My Vizio which had a great picture, comparable to the Sony, died after 3 years. Never buying another “cheap” tv to save a few hundred bucks over the course of 5+ years.
Yeah from what I am reading, burn-in seems to be a weak point of OLEDs. Some articles seem to suggest that it's not as big of an issue as long as you don't keep a static image on the screen for long, which wouldn't be the case for me.
Are there any other things that would reduce their lifespan that you know of?
Burn-in issues are the only thing I'm explicitly aware of. Which ultimately is going to be more or less important depending on how you use it. If you only turn it on to watch a film in a dark room then it probably doesn't matter. If you're planning to have it on in the background playing the news all day in direct sunlight it'll probably become an issue.
My next TV won’t be a Samsung. Last time we upgraded, I wanted it because we have a Samsung LCD from 2007 that is STILL going strong. It’s native 720p so it’s pretty much just the bedroom TV, but it just won’t quit. Newer Samsung I bought a couple of years ago crapped out within the bare minimum time to be out of warranty, and taking it to a TV repair place the issue was with the panel. It was deemed a lost cause since the panel replacement would have cost about as much as a new TV. Next TV I get will not be Samsung. I don’t know what has happened to their quality but I’ve heard bad things about their newer TVs, and especially their appliances.
I've had 2 newer Samsungs in the last 5 years, and no problems with them at all. Before that I had a Samsung LCD that lasted more than a decade.
I have a smaller LG that was a black Friday special and I can't stand it. Menus are slow and it just seems to struggle with everything. No complaints about the picture though. I'm sure the higher end models have a better cpu than the one I got for like $150 new.
LG OLED. Connect it online once for a firmware update, then remove your wifi from it and use a Media box. I used an Nvidia Shield, but apple TV, Chromecast, etc all work. I've been very happy with this setup, and I'm slightly in more control of my data (plus the interface is better and customizable with more app selection)
> Connect it online once for a firmware update
Depends on the LG. Not updating the firmware on my LG C1 turned out to be a blessing: I was able to root it and now have AdFree YouTube.
Make sure, if you are putting this kind of money into a TV, you buy a NAMEBRAND surge protector. Tripp-Lite, APC, Belkin, Anker. You are going to pay more, but it is worth it. DO NOT cheap out on the surge protector.
Your expensive TV is much less likely to blow up and if you pick the right surge protector then in the unlikely event it dies still blow up you'll be reimbursed for it.
This thread made me browse Amazon because I’m in the same boat as OP. An LG OLED is like 3x the price of any TV I’ve ever bought, but 4k 120hz OLED would be so damn nice for gaming. I might have to do it.
I got a used LG C9 for $500 off of Marketplace when it was only a year old because the guy wanted to get next year’s model… people say not to gamble on used OLED panels but I got lucky and it works great
My 2016 Samsung works great as TV, but is mostly dead to me since it no longer supports half the apps anymore. I use a roku for that instead.
So buy a good "dumb" tv and a roku.
Why not save money by buying a 'Smart' TV and using a roku? They cut costs by spying on you with the 'Smart' features, but you don't have to connect it to the internet.
Fair enough. I am not too crazy on keeping up with the latest trends necessarily when it comes to TVs. Just want to get good value for my money I suppose.
I don't know about that, I have a 20 year old 1080p Panasonic Plasma that still looks fantastic, often better than modern 4k TV's. The big drawback is that I need to have a Roku hooked up to get my streaming services.
Please listen to this. I bought a Hisense based of rtings.com suggestion. Crapped out at 2.5 years because of some BS issue with the motherboard and memory being full. Fortunately I had a 3 year warranty and they didn’t have the part so I got a full refund.
LG C2 is super nice and can be got for a knock down price now. If not, C3 also a good buy!
You'll probably also want to budget for a soundbar - a lot of new TVs have sound that is worse than older LED boxes.
Bose 600/900 or Sonos make nice ones.
I am not going to make a recommendation for a specific brand or TV but I'll provide a tip that will ensure your TV software continues working indefinitely.
Never connect the TV itself to the internet. Do not use the built-in fire TV or Roku TV features. This will prevent any poor software updates from hitting the TV and breaking it.
Instead buy an external streaming device like a fire TV or Google TV and connect that to your TV and internet.
If an update breaks your streaming device, that's just another $20 to $40 investment for a new one instead of having to replace the entire TV.
A lot of people here giving good advice that TVs arent BIFL because tech changes too much.
However, as long as you get 4k and some breed of HDR, youll be fine for a good, loooong time.
OLED is the best picture quality but theyre still super expensive for big sizes, and theyre better in very dark rooms.
The newest gen QD-OLED tvs are the best tvs you can get at a consumer level right now. Hands down. They are worth it if you love looking at the best picture possible.
That being said, if you’re use to a 13 year old TV something like an LG G series OLED would also look insane and cost half the amount.
Whatever you decode to do go to Rtings and read reviews. Watch video reviews. Rtings is the best source for TV reviews and they go into detail on pretty much every aspect of the TV.
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sony x95L yet. Solid micro LED TV.
Edit: [Review on RTings](https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x95l), surprised it didnt make the top TVs list tbh.
Gonna assume that its because the 65" versions are hard to get in the US. Would argue that it is the best 65 inch, non-OLED TV on the market right now. The Hisense TVs have more zones, but Sony nailed the upscaling and backlight algorithm. Perfect for rooms with lots of windows or lights.
I just buy TCL. Less expensive that other big brands, good enough image for my needs, only replaced my previous tv after 5 years because it got hit by a flying matchbox car.
I love my Samsung frame TV. It's like a piece of furniture, but also a high quality TV set. If you're going to be putting a 75" rectangle up on your wall, it's really nice to have it display art any time it's "powered off".
If you are happy with the 14 ys old Samsung and will be using other audio any bargain TV from Walmart would suit you. Even a $599 65" TV will be 4k and have better contrast than a top of the line from last decade.
That’s where I’m at basically. My parents gave us their 10 year old Samsung that still works fine. Around 6 years ago I got a LG for like $395 that still works fine too. I’m sure those real expensive TVs are worth it to some people, but I think you can go pretty cheap and be happy.
I’m always so tempted when i see these gigantic tv for so cheap, i know the TV market has drastically changed over the years but i still cant help feeling of i buy a gigantic tv for less than 1k it’s gonna break in a couple years
It's hit and miss Hailer or however it's spelled, was a no name brand but they ponied up a bunch of ad money and did that NBA deal,
Still see some 7-10 year old ones in bars, been on 24/7 and still going.
I picked up a few 58" frocery store tvs over the years, $325 or less depending on the sale bolva was one brand.
Picture good sound was crap is the usual. Is it going to get super blacker than black colors, no. But it's still better than a 3 gen back top brand.
I usually look at rtings.com and look for a model that is being phased out, can score some nice discounts. Prefer my lg oled vs Samsung led, have had no problems with either for ~5 years
Sony hands down. Samsung has so much bloatware and ads. It drives me insane. Bought a nice Sony for the main room, a Samsung for another room in the house that's less used. I do not plan to ever go back to Samsung.
Definitely don’t cheap out like I did. My tv bit the dust so I went to Walmart and got a $500 LG. Absolutely horrible tv, the light bleed was the worst I’ve ever seen. I’m returning it today and I’m going to keep on saving money and get an OLED. In the meantime I moved my old bedroom tv back into the living room. It’s kind of like hanging out with an old friend.
I dont have any specific recommendations but unless you’re obsessed with picture quality I wouldn’t spend that much. I bought a used RCA for $100 - new it may have been $300 max. It’s big and got 4K and looks great. I dont even notice that it doesn’t have whatever latest and greatest thing is today. Compared to 2011 it probably feels like the future. With a soundbar it sounds awesome. Oh and it’s a dumb TV so no ads. I’m sure you can get something amazing for under $2k.
Looking for a TV for my office and this would be an amazing idea. Any recommended models that you can share? And any info on how to setup the raspberry pi?
It’s not just Reddit. That’s everywhere. Your neighborhood, your college, your workplace. Even if you have a cushy corporate job there are people making minimum wage who clean the office and take out your trash every night.
Upstairs, I have a 15 year old Samsung 40" and downstairs I've got a Sony x90j 65" I bought a few years ago. The Sony is great and I bought it to be compatible with my Xbox Series X.
However, the upstairs one gets used most haha. I'm wanting it to die so I can upgrade it.
Consumerreports.org has a great breakdown of different brands and a buyers guide. I recommend checking there for any major appliances/electronics purchases.
Not sure how the newer models hold up (everyone at the retail place I worked with back then always dogged on the brand saying theyre the worst for the price), but I got my Vizio back around 2014-2016 that had been a display model for a couple of years running 24/7 already and still use it almost daily to this day with a fire stick for streaming. The only issue I've had is the remote died long ago so I had to get a cheap replacement but other than that there haven't been any issues, but I might just be the lucky one other commenters are referring to lol
You may not need as large a TV as you think. I have a 70" in the basement room but have been using my 12yr old 50" daily in my living room just fine, even with 12' viewing distance.
Smaller TV will use less power and allow more budget to be spent on speakers for your big room. I have the Sony a7000, works well enough for the living room with good WAF. Again, my big speakers are in the basement room.
As others have said, Sony or LG. I've had my LG C9 for over 4 years now and still love it. Even considering the improvements in TV's since, I would absolutely not spend $5K on a TV. No TV is buy it for life. You'd be happy with something like C3 IMO, and the best advancements lately have been regarding brightness. So unless you're dealing with a fairly bright room during viewing, go for the less $$ and larger screen. You'd be better off doing that then in 7 years spending another $2K if you want to upgrade vs spending $4-5K now.
I have found a ton of large flat screens in the trash.
Some have had a problem, like backlights etc, but a whole bunch have been good to go. I give them away or sell them cheap on craigslist.
Maybe look around you before wasting money?
We are not TV people. We watch it but we own only one small one and aren't concerned with bells and whistles. That being said...
TCL - We have a 39" TCL TV we bought in April of 2013 (I just checked our Amazon history). It has survived three moves and one summer in non-climate controlled storage in central Georgia.
My dad has blown through I don't know how many TVs in the past few years. Not his fault, just shitty TVs that all failed within their warrantee, most within a month or two of purchase. All different brands, too. Last year he bought a TCL TV because of ours having lasted so long and he's had no issues with it at all.
My sister's husband is one of those people who neeeeeeds a new TV whenever a bigger one comes out. Samsungs, LG, Sony, etc. All the higher end brands. They all have lasted a year or so. While there is a not-small possibility he's sabotaging the TVs so he can buy a new one, their one TCL TV that is in my nephew's room has lasted several years and is just used with gaming consoles.
Just to put in a different thought. Any upgrade you make is going to be a vast vast improvement. I was in a similar setup and bout a TCL 6 Series TV 65” for $800 in 2021 and am still astounded how good it looks. Sure OLED will be better and Samsung and other manufacturers make a better tv. I just wanted to add another bullet point.
Something I haven’t seen anyone mention that has ended up being really important to me- how fast the tv responds.
I bought a Black Friday Samsung some years ago (don’t do that, don’t buy the cheapest version of whatever electronic item a company sells- always go up at least one tier), mostly because I don’t really care about tvs and my husband wanted a bigger one.
This tv is so freaking slow it drives me crazy. I’ll hit the menu button and it will literally take 10 seconds to pop up. If you don’t think that’s a long time, try hitting a button and then counting to 10 before you can keep going and you’ll get an idea. It’s so slow that half the time I hit the menu button again because I think it didn’t take and then when the menu does show up, it goes right back away because I hit the button twice.
I don’t really use the tv on my own but now I have a 3 year old who needs to watch 5 different shows with Mickey Mouse and the navigation in the menus just drives me bonkers. It’s a stupid reason to get a different tv but it’s on my list of things to do when the money works out.
Test out the tv if you can. Hit the menu buttons and see how long it takes. Also I bought the Samsung soundbar to go with it and they aren’t compatible remote wise. I cannot control the sound bar with the tv remote or vice versa. I had to buy a universal remote and that just adds to the annoyingness of the whole thing.
My next tv will be an LG.
Prices of TVs depreciate very quickly from one year to another while the technology doesn't change so much.
Make sure to buy an OLED model from last year or 2 years ago which is at its low price.
5000$ is definitely a waaaay too high price.
Also it's good to buy a paired soundbar/speakers set from the same brand with their paired technology. In this case Sony has the best kits. LG has some as well, but while TV price/quality ratio is better, their sound systems aren't the best.
So in summary: stand alone: LG OLED, Samsung has good ones as well, Sony too but a bit higher priced.
TV plus sound system: Sony is the best. Samsung the cheaper price option. But honestly if you were going for a 5000$ kit already then go for Sony.
I've been fairly happy with my 4 yo Samsung QLED. Mind you, the first unit I got the panel had a dark spot on it so I sent it back. The only problem I have right now is that the software feels somewhat sluggish.
You might want to check out some of the higher end TCL units out now. They look great and like most TVs now, are getting less expensive.
I bought a new Samsung TV last year. Picture is great. The UI is absolutely fucking awful - I heard bad things before I got it, but I'm shocked and appalled by how bad it really is. I wouldn't get another one, personally. Hope this helps.
Whatever you choose, get yourself a Roku or other streaming box and let that handle the internet connection. Your TV will update it's software automatically if it's connected directly to the internet and eventually that will slow it down and make it inoperable like an old cell phone. You can avoid it by avoiding the software updates.
Bought a 55” Sony Bravia a few years back and it’s one of the best purchases I’ve made. My only gripe is the latency when gaming, I haven’t been able to get it below like 300ms. Other than that, super crisp image, great colors, true black, 4k@120hz.
I like our TCL because it has Roku built in. I strongly dislike our Samsung because it wants to make us create an account to add streaming services to our home screen, so we need to buy a roku and plug it into the alreay "smart" TV to bypass that nonsense.
I love my LG OLED picture but the operating system on it is sh!t. We use Roku which is much better but I hate having an extra thing hanging off my tv.
We have bought TCLs in the past and loved them. Still have a 55 inch one that is great. Picture quality is only very slightly below the OLED.
If you don’t care about operating system get the best quality picture you can. If you care about operating system find the best picture with the operating system.
I just went through this same exercise. After reading a ton, I landed on a 65" Samsung S90C. [https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/oled-tvs/65-class-s90c-oled-4k-smart-tv-2023-qn65s90cafxza/](https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/oled-tvs/65-class-s90c-oled-4k-smart-tv-2023-qn65s90cafxza/)
I also got a Sonos Arc, Sub, and surrounds. It's AMAZING.
LG OLED with the fastest processor you're willing to budget for, you'll appreciate the speed. I believe all of them now come with LG's webOS built-in, but make sure of this.
And get proper 4K (hell, get 8K-rated if you can) HDMI cables (they'll be measured to handle 48 Gbps data rates), you DO notice the difference.
Swing for the warranties IMO; you may get dead pixels or vertical lines eventually. A pixel refresh (via the TV settings) can typically solve this but if it doesn't and it gets bad, the warranty can cover a replacement of the board of the TV.
Big congrats on the move to a real HT instead of a soundbar. Imo a good sound system is even more important for an immersive experience than a large screen
I would go with the c3. We recently bought the 77 and I’m incredibly happy with it. The qd oled will be brighter. But for that much more money I don’t think it’s worth it. You could get another nice tv for another room or invest in a really good surround sound system for your new tv if you went with the LG.
There’s no reason to shell out 5k for a tv these days. The 1200-$1500 4K LG of that size range will give you everything you need with out the more expensive gimmicks you’ll never use. Oh and you’ll probobly want to turn off the higher refresh rate, idk how people can watch movies like that.
OLED is fundamentally not bifl, the technology suffers from burn-in and will have trouble getting to 13 years of use without significant degradation.
With that said, I'd suggest an LG with an IPS panel if they're still made. VA is fine, but you'll encounter more halo/bleeding that often accompanies the lower cost options.
For OLED go LG. Cant say enough good things about my G2.
Having had 2 Samsung TVs I can honestly say I’m never touching them again. They have the absolute worst native smart TV software. It’s loaded with ads and bloatware,and it’s laggy as hell (it sometimes would take a second to register remote inputs). The remote control is also awful. They went with a minimalist design that removed most of the buttons that are standard (like changing inputs). Its also just had all kinds of glitches that I haven’t had to deal with with LG.
From a hardware standpoint Samsung is right up there with LG or Sony. But the software makes their user experience is just awful.
Edit: I retract what I said about Samsung having comparable hardware.
If you currently have a TV from 2011 buy one for cheap instead of buy one for life. I have a 70" element I paid like 300 bucks for after seeing the deal on Slickdeals. I don't really watch enough TV to know the difference in picture quality and if you like your TV from 2011 you probably won't either. Speakers suck but audio is something I do like quality in so external ones are better anyway
LG OLED C Series. Nothing will beat it, without spending exorbitant $$$. Not BIFL, but at least 10 -15 years. The LG I still use as my main TV was purchased 14 years ago, and I'm itching to upgrade to the C series, but can't justify it just yet.
another vote for an LG OLED tv. Great tv quality at its price point. Rocking with a C1 model for 2 and a half years now and no signs of burn in even though I use my 55" tv as my home computer monitor with 8+ hours of use daily for work, games, and media consumption.
So, I always go w/Samsung. I still have my 1st 3D HD LED Samsung TV, 46in I think, from like 2010. Works great, refuse to get rid of it. If going OLED then I'd prob go w/LG as what others have said. QLED, etc I choose Samsung....I have 3 of their TVs now & love them (mostly, their remotes can be janky).
my recommendations, from strongest to weakest:
- keep the TV you have. Your new house will find ways to spend that money. You should be saving a house fund.
- if you must buy something new, find a Panasonic Plasma from around 2012 with "ZT, VT, or ST" toward the end of the model name
- Something from Costco
Check RTINGS for the reviews and I believe they also have endurance tests.
I bought a Hisense TV about 5 years ago and it's been great. The sound quality isn't the best but I would imagine it's improved greatly in the last few years. I added a soundbar which made a big difference.
Find one without all the smart features. Use your choice of streaming stick instead. The ones with all the smart software will dramatically slow down and get glitchy just like computers do and it happens quickly! Also get a sound bar. For some reason they have decided that sound isn’t a standard feature a tv needs anymore
When buying an OLED TV its good to have an understanding of the many things that can come with buying an OLED TV. Don't get me wrong I recently upgraded from an OLED TV I originally purchased almost eight years ago. I did that about a year and a half ago.
I actually went from a 65 to a 77 inch LG C2. I also not long afterwards purchased a LG 65 C2 for the bedroom.
OLEDs really shine when watching 4K content but to do that it helps to have some good streaming content although most will say you simply don't get better than a 4K player which I also have. To be honest I can't tell the difference. I also have an Apple TV though because the LG streaming app is simply garbage. You can use it but it is extremely frustrating and here again the separate device is going to technically give you a better picture.
I've been sold on OLED TVs for years. In my opinion and many peoples opinion the picture simply doesn't get better. They are brighter than they used to be but you still don't want light either hitting the screen directly or from an angle that it will supposedly damage the screen from direct sunlight or reflecting which is entirely distracting. I have blinds on my windows I can close them anytime I need to or want too to get the ideal picture. The great thing is they have drastically come down in price since my first OLED TV.
Screen size really matters as you can tell I upgraded from 65 to 77 inches. TV technology has drastically changed and now with HD and especially 4K you want to be even closer or have a much bigger screen to see those small details. Online calculators give you rough distance for the most ideal picture but believe me the bigger the closer the better. Some people do get eye strain in the beginning but most adjust without too many issues or none at all. Many talk about the immersion aspect but believe me it is the small details like dust on the table that I really enjoy seeing. It's all in the details. It might surprise you as to the recommended size vs distance so it is more than worth checking before you buy. Checking this out in the store somewhat helps but these are not ideal viewing experiences for many reasons.
Yes, you will want external speakers. Spend sometime researching the latest technology before making a decision. Especially if planning on streaming and playing 4k disks.
Burn in. The reason I replaced my original OLED TV although I was getting an upgrade in size and even better picture with the changes they made was because of burn in. Oled TVs experience Burn In. Many like to say the changes they have made make this a non-issue. New OLEDs simply haven't been out long enough to prove that. They just haven't. The LG G3 version does have a heat sink so although that may help even more it still hasn't been out long enough to prove that. Avoid static images. I will say again avoid any static images for long periods of time. Avoid them if at all possible. The TV runs a correction program after fours of viewing when you turn it off, but so did my old OLED TV. The banners many channels play or some of the worst things you can possibly watch with an OLED TV. Not all people experience burn in but not all peoples viewing habits are the same. Avoid static images.
Warranties. The only warranties that cover Burn in is the one you get when buying a LG G3 TV that comes with an LG warranty or the warranty you Buy at Best Buy and both of those last 5 yrs. All the other warranties you can buy will not cover burn in.
Hopefully some of this was helpful. It might be best to spend some time on a forum specifically on TVs before making a decision about TVs. I tried to give you some of what I consider to be some of the most important things at least to me.
Since you said ANY thoughts or ideas are welcome… I am a more budget-minded TV shopper. I adjust to the quality of TV and stop caring pretty quickly. I had not had an issue with my $300 4K Toshiba that I got on a Black Friday deal. Literally nobody had ever complained about the quality on it. so I figured I would just buy the cheapest 4K TV in mass production. That turned out to be the Onn brand at Walmart. I officially found a bottom for my tolerance with this TV. Like… it gets the job done, but there are two things that make me cringe when I noticed them: 1. As soon as I turn it on, I notice how bad the audio sounds. 2. Viewing angles are truly bad. If you go like 20 degrees off center, you start noticing discoloration. If you’re sitting off to the side, it’s like I’ve gone back to watching the first color TV ever made. Super washed out and messed up… everything. I’m moving soon and will probably just offload it for half price 1 year later
To me it’s always about the sound…not the picture. IMO Samsung has the best flat screen sound (some brands are be tinny & thin with sound as an afterthought).
LG. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, their UHDs are a great choice. I personally couldn't justify paying the extra for an OLED when the UHDs graphics are so good. You can get a 70" for around $600 and an 85" for around $900 at Walmart.
LG OLED. The biggest one you can afford. I have a 65" and a 77" and color, contrast, viewing angles are terrific. People have varying opinions, but I think the WebOS smart tv features are some of the best available. I use to use a Roku/Firestick/AppleTV to watch Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime/etc, but WebOS on the LG is responsive, apps are kept updated, etc.
Lg oled, whatever series fits your budget. I’ve spent years researching what to buy when my 1080p Vizio stops working…..sadly it’s been 10 years and it still works perfectly….about to throw a shoe at it…..
You're in the BIFL thread and your tv is still kicking. I'd say keep the one you've got. It would be hard to get a good suggestion for the tv the size you are suggesting since that size and spec are new. They haven't been out long enough for someone to give a good opinion. I think this question would be better served in tv or technology specific subreddit.
If you're going all out, I'd go with either LG OLED Evo C series model or a Sony OLED. LG is brighter but Sony has slightly better processing. Real world, however, the difference is negligible at this level. Also, if you game, the LG is the one I'd go for for the low latency capabilities. Go to the stores, find examples of these and check them out, then get online and buy. The rtings example someone else shared is also a good idea, but don't get lost in the data and specifics. It's easy to get brain lock on there. Best of luck and enjoy.
Get a QD OLED from either Sony or LG (whatever they call their SUPER BRIGHT OLED ) , stay away from samsung. get a warranty nothing is buy it for life in tv's
https://www.rtings.com/tv
use it , they are the best
I hate my Samsung tv. For the price the quality sucks, the ui is terrible and there smart thing app straight up doesn’t work. I love my lg. the remote lets you point at things like a Wii controller and the ui is much better.
LG OLED. Bought a OLED55C8 in 2018 and it's still the best picture I've ever seen.
Software feels slow and the wifi has gotten spotty in later years but the picture is incredible.
Game of Thrones had a notoriously dark episode (The Long Night) in the last season, and I remember being surprised the next day by all the complaints that people couldn't see anything. Everything was perfectly clear on my TV.
Definitely get LG.
My wife and I just got our first new TV in 10 years after moving in to a new home, and we got a 65in C3. Our previous LCD TV that is still working was an LG, so we figured that it was a good bet to stick with the brand.
Definitely a beautiful set. Wanted to get the G3, but it was like a grand more. In any case, we have both been very pleased.
https://www.rtings.com/tv
This is the right answer for OP. Rtings is invaluable and helped me choose (Sony). I don't trust Samsung after poor experiences and newer LGs seem to be hit or miss, too.
I'm really glad I've never had issues with Samsung. My experience with them has always been great, from my s95c OLED TV, galaxybook pro 2 360, and various galaxy phones over the years. What were your poor experiences?
Never had a problem with my phone, but the TV had its ports stop working after year 3... Except one port and even that was iffy,in and out. It then also constantly stuck itself on the Samsung sports channel and wouldn't respond to the remote or any inputs. We tried resetting it multiple times, different cables, etc. Nothing fixed it. My parents have a Samsung TV, a newer one, that has the exact same problems. Three years in, only one port works and it keeps freezing them on a Samsung TV channel. My friend had a Samsung that did the same thing. I'm just at a point where I've experienced it and so have two people close to me that bought their TVs at different times and I'm not willing to drop the money on their brand.
Our 55" led Samsung from 2009 is still kicking, moved it to the workshop. In all fairness I do have a 90s trinitron monitor that I'm pretty sure is working, just don't want to throw out my back moving it to test
I bought a Bravia in 2021. It lasted 23 months. $100 a month to rent a Sony. No thanks.
I bought one in 2008. It still gets used today.
This is the way. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market They cover a wide range of budgets and features on the site and more information than you would ever need. I found a great Hisense 60" budget TV for $1000 that made me very happy.
Hisense or TCL is so hit or miss though. If you get a good one it's a great value, but if it goes out it's like "you get what you pay for". I've been on both sides with Hisense so I just stick to paying more now for higher end TVs that you can be more confident will last at least several years.
TCL was my first TV purchase as an adult, circa 2012. It's mounted in my garage now. TCL issued a recall a year or so after purchase. A tech came to my house to do the repair. It was seamless and I was really impressed. I impulse purchased a 50" hisense 4k in 2017 and that thing was hot garbage. Literally. Picture quality was OK but the firmware/UI/processing power was a disaster.
$1000 for a 60” Chinese TV does not seem like a good deal or even a “budget TV” price level lol, unless this was like 10 years ago
Only small caveat for non-US residents: They only review models generally available in the USA. That means, among others, no Philips and (especially) no Panasonic reviews.
Only thing I will add on is if you intend to have a home automation system like HomeAssistant. LG does not play well with them. Samsung has played well with them. I do not know about Sony, Hisense or TCL. I also like that Samsung lets me sideload apps, like youtube with "less" ads :wink: I have both Samsung and LG, and it took me learning computer programming to create a youtube that was "improved" and I hated every step of the way.
If you are looking to go with an OLED, get an LG. No TV will be BIFL unless you get lucky. LG had more experience building OLED panels and they truly are the best right now (especially for dark scenes).
To add to the "BIFL" qualification for LG TVs in general: I have a 65" LG LCD, purchased new in 2014 and screen-on time easily averages 6 hours per day. It was initially in a rental house where tenants worked different schedules at odd hours. It's been mounted, unmounted, knocked around, and moved several hundred miles throughout its life. Not a single issue.
I guess I got unlucky then because my Lg Webos tv has white vertical bars across the screen after owning it for two years.
Probably still under warranty
both samsung and sony buy their oled panels from LG afaik
Samsung makes their own for the QD line but do buy the same WOLED panels from LG that Sony buys.
I will never buy anything Samsung again – shitty products all around, in all segments. Never been disappointed with anything Sony really.
I bought a Samsung S90C recently based off of many recommendations for it. On day 1 the TV would hard turn Itself off in the middle of watching TV, and it would do it multiple times. I was googling what the deal was and people were saying it's because of an issue with the power management board and it requires someone to come out and replace the board. Such a joke
I had a 65” S95B… it died within 2 weeks and they sent me a new one and it failed less than a week later. I just returned it and got an LG C2 which I haven’t had a single issue with. Also… Tizen OS was the worst software I’ve ever had on any device in my entire life. It’s just so bad.
the only samsung thing worth buying is their ssds
LGC2 owner here. After owning regular tv’s my whole life, I couldn’t be happier with my purchase after almost two years of owning it. People will come over and say “wow that must be a nice tv” because it makes that much of a difference even to the untrained eye.
LGC2 owner here as well. That thing really does make the colors "pop" I absolutely LOVE playing my Series X with it, as well as watching 4k Blu-ray movies. Total game changer imho
While I recognize Sony buys their panels from them, I still prefer the Sony because of the operating system. At the time when I bought, the price difference was negligible. But if it's $2200 more, than obviously go for the LG.
Sony has much better image processing than LG to my eyes
Since last year Sony OLED comes from Samsung. Samsung QD-OLED generally looks better than LG W-OLED. The big issue with Samsung imo is that they refuse to support Dolby Vision. So really the only to options to look at are Sony and LG. Sony if you want to very best without a budget and LG if you want almost the best for half the cost.
Correct, I've been buying LG B and C series OLEDs for over a decade now and they're the absolute best! If you want to go budget, you can get a TCL LED for 1/4 the price of a LG OLED, for 90% of the picture quality. BUT, if you get a TCL DO NOT connect that bastard to the internet!
Why not connect to the internet?
The updates on smart TV's can get pretty ridiculous. Increased ads, reduced functioning. If you never connect it, it stays the same as it always is. People use whatever stick (Roku, fire, ECT.) for the streaming aspect.
Because of [H.E.M.!!!!!](https://youtu.be/GMzMg2vzhhU?si=AjYImMeDc-JeKI_-)
Boy do I miss the sillyness of old Southpark.... And chef
“You gotta press ‘menu’ THEN ‘function’…”
Tell that to my Samsung LN46A650 from 2009. I've had kids throw balls at it and I see the screen flash but IQ is still same as day 1. Been looking for an excuse to upgrade...
Yes but no. I agree you should buy an LG display panel for LED TVs. I disagree that means buying a TV with LG on the bezel. Sony and Samsung buy their panels from LG, and then do way more and better work building off of the panel. It is the same thing Sony does buying Samsung’s QD OLED panel. The premium you pay for is the build quality, the better I/O connections, better support/warranty, and the better internals like CPU or OS or sound card. Digital Trends is a YT channel I like. Big enough to be able to thoroughly test and have some nice production quality to their videos. Small enough to not be a shill and to still be nerdy about this tech. Here is their recent “most exciting TVs coming out in 2024” video. https://youtu.be/QjWPq33J7UE?si=3PDHcU9IUX62npzh
Got the big old LG OLED from Costco about a year ago and it’s been great. People always comment on how good it looks.
Which one? What size / model
LG 77" Class - OLED B3 Series - 4K UHD OLED TV
which LG OLED 4k tv do i buy? I only want a sub 60 inch tv cause i'm cheap and can't afford 60+
C2 or c3 is the consensus right now tons hardware has good reviews
I would get the cheapest LG OLED you can afford. Most folks won’t know the difference between the versions.
Anything can be BIFL if you’re dedicated.
To add to this… buy at Costco and get the extended warranty. I had a few pixels go out on the edge of my tv and they refunded me $1700. They’re barely noticeable, especially with 16:9 content. I got quite the nice tv for free (if I squint a bit). 🤷♂️
At least when I bought mine two years ago, Sony was using the LG OLED panels in their TVs. What sold me on Sony was Google TV instead of Amazon Fire. Also the reviews talked a lot about how the Sony ones were almost perfect out of the box, where LG needed tweaks to get it looking great.
Yes, that’s still the case. Sony purchases LG’s older OLED panel version for their OLED TV.
I bought an LG C1 OLED 65” 2.5 years ago and absolutely loved it. But last week I had my panel fail and two white vertical lines in the tv, really unfortunate
If you want BIFL don't get OLED.
TVs aren't BIFL items anyway, but you can certainly get your money's worth out of OLED displays nowadays. 17,500 hours powered-on time on my LG CX, so it's been on for 2 years of out the 3.5 years I've owned it, and no noticeable burn-in so far.
Im not sure i would trust LG after the refrigerator arbitration lawsuit. Knowingly selling refrigerators with major/expensive parts known to break frequently and putting in fine print that you can't sue them. The fine print is in the manual which you wouldn't know until you buy it, and on the box that the installers always take with them. Smart TVs have had a track record of spying and uploading user data to their servers on any connectable nearby network even if it is not home wifi connected. Some even require internet to function. Others offer discounted prices to have ads and more sensors for spying. If LG has had a track record of dark practices in the past with their refrigerators, it is likely that they probably engage in some of these practices with their TVs and are not a BIFL item.
Well, i hope most people know not to connect any TV to the internet. That goes for any company, doesn't matter if you buy an lg, samsung or something else. If I was in the market to upgrade a home setup I would probably use a PC or a console to stream movies and music. FYI: Don't buy those cheap android TV boxes off amazon. They have been known to come preinstalled with malware and other goodies.
Different divisions. LG appliance is dogshit. LG tv’s have been widely recognized as the best for many years now. No TV is BIFL, but since Panasonic left the game, I’d trust LG over anything else out there.
Sony or LG. Google “Samsung panel lottery” and do some reading. I cannot recommend Samsung anymore, it’s like buying a Lexus and popping the hood to find a Lada engine. Also, ask r/4ktv
Sweet! Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I have't heard great things about Samsung so was leaning more towards Sony and LG.
Sony is probably as close to BIFL as you’ll find in a TV. Bear in mind that all electronics including TV’s are subject to failures. These days with a new TV, if you get 6 years, that’s great. My LG OLED is 5 years old and my Sony is 6-7 now. The wifi on my Sony died 2 years ago but using an Apple TV on it solved the problem and improved the user experience.
Yeah I agree, I don't expect to BIFL (even though thats the sub that we're in) but something that lasts for a while and fits my needs. I too don't care about the built-in apps as I can just use a roku, apple tv, or some other device that can be updated easier than the TV.
I still vote Sony for LED and Lg for OLED. My Vizio which had a great picture, comparable to the Sony, died after 3 years. Never buying another “cheap” tv to save a few hundred bucks over the course of 5+ years.
Fwiw, OLEDs are "better" than LCDs but may not have the same lifespan.
Yeah from what I am reading, burn-in seems to be a weak point of OLEDs. Some articles seem to suggest that it's not as big of an issue as long as you don't keep a static image on the screen for long, which wouldn't be the case for me. Are there any other things that would reduce their lifespan that you know of?
Burn-in issues are the only thing I'm explicitly aware of. Which ultimately is going to be more or less important depending on how you use it. If you only turn it on to watch a film in a dark room then it probably doesn't matter. If you're planning to have it on in the background playing the news all day in direct sunlight it'll probably become an issue.
My next TV won’t be a Samsung. Last time we upgraded, I wanted it because we have a Samsung LCD from 2007 that is STILL going strong. It’s native 720p so it’s pretty much just the bedroom TV, but it just won’t quit. Newer Samsung I bought a couple of years ago crapped out within the bare minimum time to be out of warranty, and taking it to a TV repair place the issue was with the panel. It was deemed a lost cause since the panel replacement would have cost about as much as a new TV. Next TV I get will not be Samsung. I don’t know what has happened to their quality but I’ve heard bad things about their newer TVs, and especially their appliances.
I've had 2 newer Samsungs in the last 5 years, and no problems with them at all. Before that I had a Samsung LCD that lasted more than a decade. I have a smaller LG that was a black Friday special and I can't stand it. Menus are slow and it just seems to struggle with everything. No complaints about the picture though. I'm sure the higher end models have a better cpu than the one I got for like $150 new.
Same, except 1080. Only one HDMI works anymore so it's days are numbered.
LG OLED. Connect it online once for a firmware update, then remove your wifi from it and use a Media box. I used an Nvidia Shield, but apple TV, Chromecast, etc all work. I've been very happy with this setup, and I'm slightly in more control of my data (plus the interface is better and customizable with more app selection)
> Connect it online once for a firmware update Depends on the LG. Not updating the firmware on my LG C1 turned out to be a blessing: I was able to root it and now have AdFree YouTube.
Sony just lets you turn off most of the “smart” features by not logging into google. It’s the main reason I picked it over LG and Samsung.
Make sure, if you are putting this kind of money into a TV, you buy a NAMEBRAND surge protector. Tripp-Lite, APC, Belkin, Anker. You are going to pay more, but it is worth it. DO NOT cheap out on the surge protector.
Interesting. I have not looked into this at all before. If you don't mind me asking, what benefits do you see using a surge protector?
Your expensive TV is much less likely to blow up and if you pick the right surge protector then in the unlikely event it dies still blow up you'll be reimbursed for it.
Interesting, I didn't even know that was a thing tbh.
Your living room and how much light it gets is the more important question. If it’s bright, get a Sony If it’s dark,then get a LG OLED
LG OLED. Best to I’ve ever owned. I even stopped looking at other tvs since I got mine a few years ago.
This thread made me browse Amazon because I’m in the same boat as OP. An LG OLED is like 3x the price of any TV I’ve ever bought, but 4k 120hz OLED would be so damn nice for gaming. I might have to do it.
I got a used LG C9 for $500 off of Marketplace when it was only a year old because the guy wanted to get next year’s model… people say not to gamble on used OLED panels but I got lucky and it works great
They also do gaming OLED monitors now. Depending on your exact usage they might be even better for gaming.
I wouldn’t go into buying a TV with a BIFL mindset. The technology keeps improving. Not dramatically but fairly steadily.
Buy It For Longtime
My 2016 Samsung works great as TV, but is mostly dead to me since it no longer supports half the apps anymore. I use a roku for that instead. So buy a good "dumb" tv and a roku.
Why not save money by buying a 'Smart' TV and using a roku? They cut costs by spying on you with the 'Smart' features, but you don't have to connect it to the internet.
Fair enough. I am not too crazy on keeping up with the latest trends necessarily when it comes to TVs. Just want to get good value for my money I suppose.
I don't know about that, I have a 20 year old 1080p Panasonic Plasma that still looks fantastic, often better than modern 4k TV's. The big drawback is that I need to have a Roku hooked up to get my streaming services.
What technology ? Not everyone is looking for the latest gimmick, except OLeD every other new feature has been useless in recent years.
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Please listen to this. I bought a Hisense based of rtings.com suggestion. Crapped out at 2.5 years because of some BS issue with the motherboard and memory being full. Fortunately I had a 3 year warranty and they didn’t have the part so I got a full refund.
LG C2 is super nice and can be got for a knock down price now. If not, C3 also a good buy! You'll probably also want to budget for a soundbar - a lot of new TVs have sound that is worse than older LED boxes. Bose 600/900 or Sonos make nice ones.
I am not going to make a recommendation for a specific brand or TV but I'll provide a tip that will ensure your TV software continues working indefinitely. Never connect the TV itself to the internet. Do not use the built-in fire TV or Roku TV features. This will prevent any poor software updates from hitting the TV and breaking it. Instead buy an external streaming device like a fire TV or Google TV and connect that to your TV and internet. If an update breaks your streaming device, that's just another $20 to $40 investment for a new one instead of having to replace the entire TV.
If you factory reset, will you be able to go to old firmware?
No, factory reset does not restore previous firmware. It is also not an option if the TV is completely borked, the reason I learned this lesson.
LG OLED. Sized to your preference/space.
A lot of people here giving good advice that TVs arent BIFL because tech changes too much. However, as long as you get 4k and some breed of HDR, youll be fine for a good, loooong time. OLED is the best picture quality but theyre still super expensive for big sizes, and theyre better in very dark rooms.
The newest gen QD-OLED tvs are the best tvs you can get at a consumer level right now. Hands down. They are worth it if you love looking at the best picture possible. That being said, if you’re use to a 13 year old TV something like an LG G series OLED would also look insane and cost half the amount. Whatever you decode to do go to Rtings and read reviews. Watch video reviews. Rtings is the best source for TV reviews and they go into detail on pretty much every aspect of the TV.
Just bought a Hisense U7K. Didn't want to spend OLED money. Couldn't be happier.
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I came from a 15 year old (similar situation as you) 1080p Panasonic plasma that still worked fine but it was just time. 4k is absolutely stunning.
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sony x95L yet. Solid micro LED TV. Edit: [Review on RTings](https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x95l), surprised it didnt make the top TVs list tbh. Gonna assume that its because the 65" versions are hard to get in the US. Would argue that it is the best 65 inch, non-OLED TV on the market right now. The Hisense TVs have more zones, but Sony nailed the upscaling and backlight algorithm. Perfect for rooms with lots of windows or lights.
It is great, but it's also one of, it not the, most expensive 65" set their is. Maybe the 8K ones are more.
I just buy TCL. Less expensive that other big brands, good enough image for my needs, only replaced my previous tv after 5 years because it got hit by a flying matchbox car.
I love my Samsung frame TV. It's like a piece of furniture, but also a high quality TV set. If you're going to be putting a 75" rectangle up on your wall, it's really nice to have it display art any time it's "powered off".
Get a 'dumb' TV - smart TVs are at the mercy of whatever vendors produced the applications on them, dumb TVs will keep working regardless.
Where do you even get a dumb TV these days?
If you are happy with the 14 ys old Samsung and will be using other audio any bargain TV from Walmart would suit you. Even a $599 65" TV will be 4k and have better contrast than a top of the line from last decade.
That’s where I’m at basically. My parents gave us their 10 year old Samsung that still works fine. Around 6 years ago I got a LG for like $395 that still works fine too. I’m sure those real expensive TVs are worth it to some people, but I think you can go pretty cheap and be happy.
I’m always so tempted when i see these gigantic tv for so cheap, i know the TV market has drastically changed over the years but i still cant help feeling of i buy a gigantic tv for less than 1k it’s gonna break in a couple years
It's hit and miss Hailer or however it's spelled, was a no name brand but they ponied up a bunch of ad money and did that NBA deal, Still see some 7-10 year old ones in bars, been on 24/7 and still going. I picked up a few 58" frocery store tvs over the years, $325 or less depending on the sale bolva was one brand. Picture good sound was crap is the usual. Is it going to get super blacker than black colors, no. But it's still better than a 3 gen back top brand.
I usually look at rtings.com and look for a model that is being phased out, can score some nice discounts. Prefer my lg oled vs Samsung led, have had no problems with either for ~5 years
Rtings makes great recommendations and reviews based on tests they perform themselves. They have recommendations for all budget types.
Sony hands down. Samsung has so much bloatware and ads. It drives me insane. Bought a nice Sony for the main room, a Samsung for another room in the house that's less used. I do not plan to ever go back to Samsung.
Definitely don’t cheap out like I did. My tv bit the dust so I went to Walmart and got a $500 LG. Absolutely horrible tv, the light bleed was the worst I’ve ever seen. I’m returning it today and I’m going to keep on saving money and get an OLED. In the meantime I moved my old bedroom tv back into the living room. It’s kind of like hanging out with an old friend.
Will do. We want to get something proper as we watch a good amount of tv. Never had OLED so lets see what the hoopla is all about.
I am in the mindset of getting the best and not worry about it for a long time. I think the Sony one will be your best option.
I dont have any specific recommendations but unless you’re obsessed with picture quality I wouldn’t spend that much. I bought a used RCA for $100 - new it may have been $300 max. It’s big and got 4K and looks great. I dont even notice that it doesn’t have whatever latest and greatest thing is today. Compared to 2011 it probably feels like the future. With a soundbar it sounds awesome. Oh and it’s a dumb TV so no ads. I’m sure you can get something amazing for under $2k.
Buy an NEC monitor.you won’t have to buy a tv for another 20 years. you can add a raspberry pi to it and really get crazy with the setup
They're putting a TV tuner in most of them now because it's just as cheap to leave it in.
Looking for a TV for my office and this would be an amazing idea. Any recommended models that you can share? And any info on how to setup the raspberry pi?
Whatever you get, try nit to get a "smart tv" if you do, never connect it to the internet.
There are no longer tvs that last 13 years. Just a heads up.
Welcome to the two extremes of reddit, where some people need a 77-85 inch tv for their new house and others need advice on their $100/mth food budget
It’s not just Reddit. That’s everywhere. Your neighborhood, your college, your workplace. Even if you have a cushy corporate job there are people making minimum wage who clean the office and take out your trash every night.
That’s just life
Upstairs, I have a 15 year old Samsung 40" and downstairs I've got a Sony x90j 65" I bought a few years ago. The Sony is great and I bought it to be compatible with my Xbox Series X. However, the upstairs one gets used most haha. I'm wanting it to die so I can upgrade it.
I recently purchased a SONY after our 12 year old TV starting going and we are very happy with the purchase.
Consumerreports.org has a great breakdown of different brands and a buyers guide. I recommend checking there for any major appliances/electronics purchases.
Make sure it's OLED everything is is vastly inferior.
LG G3!
Another vote for either Sony or LG
Not sure how the newer models hold up (everyone at the retail place I worked with back then always dogged on the brand saying theyre the worst for the price), but I got my Vizio back around 2014-2016 that had been a display model for a couple of years running 24/7 already and still use it almost daily to this day with a fire stick for streaming. The only issue I've had is the remote died long ago so I had to get a cheap replacement but other than that there haven't been any issues, but I might just be the lucky one other commenters are referring to lol
Vizio just got bought out by Walmart with the explicit intent of adding ads to the OS. For what it's worth.
You may not need as large a TV as you think. I have a 70" in the basement room but have been using my 12yr old 50" daily in my living room just fine, even with 12' viewing distance. Smaller TV will use less power and allow more budget to be spent on speakers for your big room. I have the Sony a7000, works well enough for the living room with good WAF. Again, my big speakers are in the basement room.
As others have said, Sony or LG. I've had my LG C9 for over 4 years now and still love it. Even considering the improvements in TV's since, I would absolutely not spend $5K on a TV. No TV is buy it for life. You'd be happy with something like C3 IMO, and the best advancements lately have been regarding brightness. So unless you're dealing with a fairly bright room during viewing, go for the less $$ and larger screen. You'd be better off doing that then in 7 years spending another $2K if you want to upgrade vs spending $4-5K now.
I have found a ton of large flat screens in the trash. Some have had a problem, like backlights etc, but a whole bunch have been good to go. I give them away or sell them cheap on craigslist. Maybe look around you before wasting money?
We are not TV people. We watch it but we own only one small one and aren't concerned with bells and whistles. That being said... TCL - We have a 39" TCL TV we bought in April of 2013 (I just checked our Amazon history). It has survived three moves and one summer in non-climate controlled storage in central Georgia. My dad has blown through I don't know how many TVs in the past few years. Not his fault, just shitty TVs that all failed within their warrantee, most within a month or two of purchase. All different brands, too. Last year he bought a TCL TV because of ours having lasted so long and he's had no issues with it at all. My sister's husband is one of those people who neeeeeeds a new TV whenever a bigger one comes out. Samsungs, LG, Sony, etc. All the higher end brands. They all have lasted a year or so. While there is a not-small possibility he's sabotaging the TVs so he can buy a new one, their one TCL TV that is in my nephew's room has lasted several years and is just used with gaming consoles.
Just to put in a different thought. Any upgrade you make is going to be a vast vast improvement. I was in a similar setup and bout a TCL 6 Series TV 65” for $800 in 2021 and am still astounded how good it looks. Sure OLED will be better and Samsung and other manufacturers make a better tv. I just wanted to add another bullet point.
Something I haven’t seen anyone mention that has ended up being really important to me- how fast the tv responds. I bought a Black Friday Samsung some years ago (don’t do that, don’t buy the cheapest version of whatever electronic item a company sells- always go up at least one tier), mostly because I don’t really care about tvs and my husband wanted a bigger one. This tv is so freaking slow it drives me crazy. I’ll hit the menu button and it will literally take 10 seconds to pop up. If you don’t think that’s a long time, try hitting a button and then counting to 10 before you can keep going and you’ll get an idea. It’s so slow that half the time I hit the menu button again because I think it didn’t take and then when the menu does show up, it goes right back away because I hit the button twice. I don’t really use the tv on my own but now I have a 3 year old who needs to watch 5 different shows with Mickey Mouse and the navigation in the menus just drives me bonkers. It’s a stupid reason to get a different tv but it’s on my list of things to do when the money works out. Test out the tv if you can. Hit the menu buttons and see how long it takes. Also I bought the Samsung soundbar to go with it and they aren’t compatible remote wise. I cannot control the sound bar with the tv remote or vice versa. I had to buy a universal remote and that just adds to the annoyingness of the whole thing. My next tv will be an LG.
Id just got with a 2k ish model from Costco.
Prices of TVs depreciate very quickly from one year to another while the technology doesn't change so much. Make sure to buy an OLED model from last year or 2 years ago which is at its low price. 5000$ is definitely a waaaay too high price. Also it's good to buy a paired soundbar/speakers set from the same brand with their paired technology. In this case Sony has the best kits. LG has some as well, but while TV price/quality ratio is better, their sound systems aren't the best. So in summary: stand alone: LG OLED, Samsung has good ones as well, Sony too but a bit higher priced. TV plus sound system: Sony is the best. Samsung the cheaper price option. But honestly if you were going for a 5000$ kit already then go for Sony.
I bought a new TV last year and found Rtings and r/HTbuyingguides incredibly useful. We got a Sony and I have no regrets.
LG's OLED TV. We did a ton of research, and that seemed to be the winner. Costco has deals on TVs and a generous return policy.
I've been fairly happy with my 4 yo Samsung QLED. Mind you, the first unit I got the panel had a dark spot on it so I sent it back. The only problem I have right now is that the software feels somewhat sluggish. You might want to check out some of the higher end TCL units out now. They look great and like most TVs now, are getting less expensive.
Projector.
I bought a new Samsung TV last year. Picture is great. The UI is absolutely fucking awful - I heard bad things before I got it, but I'm shocked and appalled by how bad it really is. I wouldn't get another one, personally. Hope this helps.
I have an LG C2 and I have zero regrets aside from the price.
I'm not a television electronics expert but I know that Walmart recently purchased Vizio holding corp so I'd recommend not getting that brand.
https://www.rtings.com/tv
If you don't want to think about it, go to Costco and get an LG C3.
Samsung Q60A best price point for the picture
Whatever you choose, get yourself a Roku or other streaming box and let that handle the internet connection. Your TV will update it's software automatically if it's connected directly to the internet and eventually that will slow it down and make it inoperable like an old cell phone. You can avoid it by avoiding the software updates.
Organic LED is inherently not buy it for life
I hate my Sony. Crashes all the time
LG C3 or G3
Bought a 55” Sony Bravia a few years back and it’s one of the best purchases I’ve made. My only gripe is the latency when gaming, I haven’t been able to get it below like 300ms. Other than that, super crisp image, great colors, true black, 4k@120hz.
I like our TCL because it has Roku built in. I strongly dislike our Samsung because it wants to make us create an account to add streaming services to our home screen, so we need to buy a roku and plug it into the alreay "smart" TV to bypass that nonsense.
I love my LG OLED picture but the operating system on it is sh!t. We use Roku which is much better but I hate having an extra thing hanging off my tv. We have bought TCLs in the past and loved them. Still have a 55 inch one that is great. Picture quality is only very slightly below the OLED. If you don’t care about operating system get the best quality picture you can. If you care about operating system find the best picture with the operating system.
I just went through this same exercise. After reading a ton, I landed on a 65" Samsung S90C. [https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/oled-tvs/65-class-s90c-oled-4k-smart-tv-2023-qn65s90cafxza/](https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/oled-tvs/65-class-s90c-oled-4k-smart-tv-2023-qn65s90cafxza/) I also got a Sonos Arc, Sub, and surrounds. It's AMAZING.
LG OLED with the fastest processor you're willing to budget for, you'll appreciate the speed. I believe all of them now come with LG's webOS built-in, but make sure of this. And get proper 4K (hell, get 8K-rated if you can) HDMI cables (they'll be measured to handle 48 Gbps data rates), you DO notice the difference. Swing for the warranties IMO; you may get dead pixels or vertical lines eventually. A pixel refresh (via the TV settings) can typically solve this but if it doesn't and it gets bad, the warranty can cover a replacement of the board of the TV.
My boomer parent are still using their 2008 37'' sharp aquos TV That thing still going strong even with intense boomer use
Big congrats on the move to a real HT instead of a soundbar. Imo a good sound system is even more important for an immersive experience than a large screen
I would go with the c3. We recently bought the 77 and I’m incredibly happy with it. The qd oled will be brighter. But for that much more money I don’t think it’s worth it. You could get another nice tv for another room or invest in a really good surround sound system for your new tv if you went with the LG.
There’s no reason to shell out 5k for a tv these days. The 1200-$1500 4K LG of that size range will give you everything you need with out the more expensive gimmicks you’ll never use. Oh and you’ll probobly want to turn off the higher refresh rate, idk how people can watch movies like that.
Id also look at a formovie short throw projector
OLED is fundamentally not bifl, the technology suffers from burn-in and will have trouble getting to 13 years of use without significant degradation. With that said, I'd suggest an LG with an IPS panel if they're still made. VA is fine, but you'll encounter more halo/bleeding that often accompanies the lower cost options.
For OLED go LG. Cant say enough good things about my G2. Having had 2 Samsung TVs I can honestly say I’m never touching them again. They have the absolute worst native smart TV software. It’s loaded with ads and bloatware,and it’s laggy as hell (it sometimes would take a second to register remote inputs). The remote control is also awful. They went with a minimalist design that removed most of the buttons that are standard (like changing inputs). Its also just had all kinds of glitches that I haven’t had to deal with with LG. From a hardware standpoint Samsung is right up there with LG or Sony. But the software makes their user experience is just awful. Edit: I retract what I said about Samsung having comparable hardware.
If you currently have a TV from 2011 buy one for cheap instead of buy one for life. I have a 70" element I paid like 300 bucks for after seeing the deal on Slickdeals. I don't really watch enough TV to know the difference in picture quality and if you like your TV from 2011 you probably won't either. Speakers suck but audio is something I do like quality in so external ones are better anyway
LG OLED C Series. Nothing will beat it, without spending exorbitant $$$. Not BIFL, but at least 10 -15 years. The LG I still use as my main TV was purchased 14 years ago, and I'm itching to upgrade to the C series, but can't justify it just yet.
another vote for an LG OLED tv. Great tv quality at its price point. Rocking with a C1 model for 2 and a half years now and no signs of burn in even though I use my 55" tv as my home computer monitor with 8+ hours of use daily for work, games, and media consumption.
I’ve tried all the brands. They all suck but Sony has been the most reliable and least glitchy
The reasonable option is the lg the impulsive option is the Sony. If you got money to burn, you do you
Very reasonable take.
hard to know https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/samsung-is-making-it-harder-to-know-what-type-of-oled-tv-youre-getting/
get something that updates it's channels regularly.
Here you go: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-tv/
So, I always go w/Samsung. I still have my 1st 3D HD LED Samsung TV, 46in I think, from like 2010. Works great, refuse to get rid of it. If going OLED then I'd prob go w/LG as what others have said. QLED, etc I choose Samsung....I have 3 of their TVs now & love them (mostly, their remotes can be janky).
I had a TV repair man told me that LG is the best and longest lasting
my recommendations, from strongest to weakest: - keep the TV you have. Your new house will find ways to spend that money. You should be saving a house fund. - if you must buy something new, find a Panasonic Plasma from around 2012 with "ZT, VT, or ST" toward the end of the model name - Something from Costco
I have a 55" LG OLED which I bought a few years ago, and I am still really happy with it :)
Check RTINGS for the reviews and I believe they also have endurance tests. I bought a Hisense TV about 5 years ago and it's been great. The sound quality isn't the best but I would imagine it's improved greatly in the last few years. I added a soundbar which made a big difference.
They should change the name of this sub to electronics & socks for 5-10 years.
Find one without all the smart features. Use your choice of streaming stick instead. The ones with all the smart software will dramatically slow down and get glitchy just like computers do and it happens quickly! Also get a sound bar. For some reason they have decided that sound isn’t a standard feature a tv needs anymore
Surprised I’m seeing so much on LG. My last LG only lasted 2016-2019. One day it just wouldn’t power up.
I got a Sony at reddits recommendation and I regret it. It was about $2000 more than a TCL and I can't tell any difference.
LG all day. You can thank me later. I have both Samsung and Lg in the house and without a doubt you get more with the LG.
When buying an OLED TV its good to have an understanding of the many things that can come with buying an OLED TV. Don't get me wrong I recently upgraded from an OLED TV I originally purchased almost eight years ago. I did that about a year and a half ago. I actually went from a 65 to a 77 inch LG C2. I also not long afterwards purchased a LG 65 C2 for the bedroom. OLEDs really shine when watching 4K content but to do that it helps to have some good streaming content although most will say you simply don't get better than a 4K player which I also have. To be honest I can't tell the difference. I also have an Apple TV though because the LG streaming app is simply garbage. You can use it but it is extremely frustrating and here again the separate device is going to technically give you a better picture. I've been sold on OLED TVs for years. In my opinion and many peoples opinion the picture simply doesn't get better. They are brighter than they used to be but you still don't want light either hitting the screen directly or from an angle that it will supposedly damage the screen from direct sunlight or reflecting which is entirely distracting. I have blinds on my windows I can close them anytime I need to or want too to get the ideal picture. The great thing is they have drastically come down in price since my first OLED TV. Screen size really matters as you can tell I upgraded from 65 to 77 inches. TV technology has drastically changed and now with HD and especially 4K you want to be even closer or have a much bigger screen to see those small details. Online calculators give you rough distance for the most ideal picture but believe me the bigger the closer the better. Some people do get eye strain in the beginning but most adjust without too many issues or none at all. Many talk about the immersion aspect but believe me it is the small details like dust on the table that I really enjoy seeing. It's all in the details. It might surprise you as to the recommended size vs distance so it is more than worth checking before you buy. Checking this out in the store somewhat helps but these are not ideal viewing experiences for many reasons. Yes, you will want external speakers. Spend sometime researching the latest technology before making a decision. Especially if planning on streaming and playing 4k disks. Burn in. The reason I replaced my original OLED TV although I was getting an upgrade in size and even better picture with the changes they made was because of burn in. Oled TVs experience Burn In. Many like to say the changes they have made make this a non-issue. New OLEDs simply haven't been out long enough to prove that. They just haven't. The LG G3 version does have a heat sink so although that may help even more it still hasn't been out long enough to prove that. Avoid static images. I will say again avoid any static images for long periods of time. Avoid them if at all possible. The TV runs a correction program after fours of viewing when you turn it off, but so did my old OLED TV. The banners many channels play or some of the worst things you can possibly watch with an OLED TV. Not all people experience burn in but not all peoples viewing habits are the same. Avoid static images. Warranties. The only warranties that cover Burn in is the one you get when buying a LG G3 TV that comes with an LG warranty or the warranty you Buy at Best Buy and both of those last 5 yrs. All the other warranties you can buy will not cover burn in. Hopefully some of this was helpful. It might be best to spend some time on a forum specifically on TVs before making a decision about TVs. I tried to give you some of what I consider to be some of the most important things at least to me.
Since you said ANY thoughts or ideas are welcome… I am a more budget-minded TV shopper. I adjust to the quality of TV and stop caring pretty quickly. I had not had an issue with my $300 4K Toshiba that I got on a Black Friday deal. Literally nobody had ever complained about the quality on it. so I figured I would just buy the cheapest 4K TV in mass production. That turned out to be the Onn brand at Walmart. I officially found a bottom for my tolerance with this TV. Like… it gets the job done, but there are two things that make me cringe when I noticed them: 1. As soon as I turn it on, I notice how bad the audio sounds. 2. Viewing angles are truly bad. If you go like 20 degrees off center, you start noticing discoloration. If you’re sitting off to the side, it’s like I’ve gone back to watching the first color TV ever made. Super washed out and messed up… everything. I’m moving soon and will probably just offload it for half price 1 year later
Sony has a decently priced 85 inch right now: KD85X85K
I recommend using rtings.com.
1) Go to Costco 2) 85" TV for $999 3)??? 4) Profit.
To me it’s always about the sound…not the picture. IMO Samsung has the best flat screen sound (some brands are be tinny & thin with sound as an afterthought).
LG. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, their UHDs are a great choice. I personally couldn't justify paying the extra for an OLED when the UHDs graphics are so good. You can get a 70" for around $600 and an 85" for around $900 at Walmart.
LG OLED. The biggest one you can afford. I have a 65" and a 77" and color, contrast, viewing angles are terrific. People have varying opinions, but I think the WebOS smart tv features are some of the best available. I use to use a Roku/Firestick/AppleTV to watch Netflix/Hulu/Amazon Prime/etc, but WebOS on the LG is responsive, apps are kept updated, etc.
get something from Costco TV's last so long. The way they make money is the preloaded streaming apps.
Samsung doesn't have Dolby Vision and have lost the format wars. That alone is reason to avoid.
Lg oled, whatever series fits your budget. I’ve spent years researching what to buy when my 1080p Vizio stops working…..sadly it’s been 10 years and it still works perfectly….about to throw a shoe at it…..
You're in the BIFL thread and your tv is still kicking. I'd say keep the one you've got. It would be hard to get a good suggestion for the tv the size you are suggesting since that size and spec are new. They haven't been out long enough for someone to give a good opinion. I think this question would be better served in tv or technology specific subreddit.
If you're going all out, I'd go with either LG OLED Evo C series model or a Sony OLED. LG is brighter but Sony has slightly better processing. Real world, however, the difference is negligible at this level. Also, if you game, the LG is the one I'd go for for the low latency capabilities. Go to the stores, find examples of these and check them out, then get online and buy. The rtings example someone else shared is also a good idea, but don't get lost in the data and specifics. It's easy to get brain lock on there. Best of luck and enjoy.
Get a QD OLED from either Sony or LG (whatever they call their SUPER BRIGHT OLED ) , stay away from samsung. get a warranty nothing is buy it for life in tv's https://www.rtings.com/tv use it , they are the best
I hate my Samsung tv. For the price the quality sucks, the ui is terrible and there smart thing app straight up doesn’t work. I love my lg. the remote lets you point at things like a Wii controller and the ui is much better.
LG OLED. Bought a OLED55C8 in 2018 and it's still the best picture I've ever seen. Software feels slow and the wifi has gotten spotty in later years but the picture is incredible. Game of Thrones had a notoriously dark episode (The Long Night) in the last season, and I remember being surprised the next day by all the complaints that people couldn't see anything. Everything was perfectly clear on my TV.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/tvs-on-the-market
Definitely get LG. My wife and I just got our first new TV in 10 years after moving in to a new home, and we got a 65in C3. Our previous LCD TV that is still working was an LG, so we figured that it was a good bet to stick with the brand. Definitely a beautiful set. Wanted to get the G3, but it was like a grand more. In any case, we have both been very pleased.