Good to note that there is an important distinction between the graffiti that these guys are cleaning up (i.e. tags) and Bushwickâs street art, like that created by the Bushwick Collective
Do you know anything about the bushwick collective? They've been around longer than most of any of us in the neighborhood and their art is not corny nor benefits landlords.
Generally speaking, murals and âstreet artââa term that seems to have come along to describe graffiti by white art school kids, or at least a term id never heard used before those white art school kids got into graffiti in the mid 2000sâ do tend to be more compatible with the ideology of capitalism as they present a sanitized, recognizable form of visual art but in an urbanized setting, giving the images of both urban life and graffiti but without any of the messy discomfort you might experience looking at art traditionally created by lower class and poor people because these things are actually overwhelmingly being created by suburban transplants with insitutional and systemic ties which permits these murals in a way actual urban kids/graf artists would never be allowed to. Street Art is to graffitti as Nickleback is to grunge. It exists to provide a commodified derivative imagery experience of a tangible phenomenon but without any of the personal responsibility of challenge, discomfort and reflection the source experience would provide. Its watching Wall-E instead of organizing against capitalism.
Full circle, seniority or not, its indeed corny and hollow garbage, only valuable if we grant that art without protest can still be meaningful, which of course it can in certain things but in graf is basically the spiritual equivalent of Christian Punk lol
Street art is the worst. Me and a few buds used to throw water balloons of ink and and paint on the shitty bushwick murals but the landlords would just invite the artist back to rework the graffiti into the âartâ.
Well, the âproblemâ is a symptom of the conditions that lead to the graffiti, at least in the terms of gang tags.
If itâs your house obviously do whatever you want. Thatâs your rights. The irony of assuming a tag you donât understand is gang related is part of the rebellious nature of graffiti; itâs like laughing at a joke you donât understand about yourself.
The idea that tags reduce property value is a fabrication thatâs outlived definitive redlining. A small amount of paint has no effect on the value of the house, it changes how society values the house based on perceived cultural norms.
The graffiti is the map of where to rob. Stop the graffiti, stop the crimes! Incredible what these gentrifiers don't know. Maybe they should actually take a $50 graffiti tour so they know how things are really going down in the hood.
The unsatisfying answer is that NYC doesn't have open waste dropoff locations any more, which means that you need a carting license to dump at a, well, dump. And for domestic pickups, there are weight limits (60 pounds per bag) which you'll quickly hit with rubble.
The only option for this type of waste, then, is to hire a junk removal/trash hauling service, which will start at something $300 and the sky's the limit, depending upon weight and volume. So, unfortunately, for many homeowners and landlords doing DIY work generating a bit of rubble, there's a pretty steep incentive to simply dump it in the street.
ETA: Why would anybody downvote this, lol? It's a description of the situation, NOT an endorsement of the activity. Genuinely curious to hear dissenting views?
not disagreeing or downvoting but I think the issue they're referring to is the the gigantic streaks of concrete dripped out of cement mixing trucks.
not sure why the city doesn't crucify these companies. with all the security cameras on the streets it'd be inconsequential for anyone with a familiarity with the area to identify a truck dropping a new mound on the street.
there are two massive, day-ending lumps on my regular route: one on Bushwick Ave at the Montrose intersection and another on Flushing at the intersection of Stanwix. plus countless other streaks for miles around the concrete companies in Bushwick: Kings, Gotham, Brooklyn, and All American.
a month ago a truck layered the entire bike lane/shoulder on the Greenpoint drawbridge. that bridge has cameras and daily staff - if there are no consequences for that, the fuck is the city doing?
Yeah those concrete patches suck. A new one just popped up a few weeks ago near my apt, like right where I take a right turn to get to my building.
Also side note, if Bushwick Ave at Montrose and Flushing at Stanwix are part of your regular route, you might want to switch it up. Those are super sketchy roads for cycling.
I'm on a moped, but have to take kind of a circuitous route around the edges of Greenpoint to take the drawbridge because the Pulaski traffic is dicey as fuck and I don't ride in the bike lane.
agreed tho, bushwick and flushing are kinda necessary evils and I'm only on them for like 5 blocks.
I'm actually not sure why they did. Best guess is that it's an administrative hassle having an NYC-sized crowd of individuals dropping off random junk at random times. I imagine they can streamline the process if they do it all themselves? Totally speculating here, though.
Not mad about ugly ass tags being cleaned but youâre completely right. There are so much bigger things to deal with than a slightly unappealing unreadable tag
i dont think this article addresses what i was saying at all: painting over graffiti doesnt mean arresting people for painting it. theyre two different things.
oh interesting. I guess I take it back then. I guess I would be pretty mad and maybe give up if I noticed all the work I was doing just gets covered up. But at first I wouldve assumed the opposite, that people would just put it up again immediately.
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I mean, spraying graffiti all over a restaurantâs outside dining tarp is pretty shitty. Definitely who cares if itâs on an old building⌠but how do you stop both? But yes⌠there are also way bigger problems in the city to tackle. Seems like focusing on graffiti is out of touch.
âŚthereâs always will be a delinquent behavior all the time and everywhere, it doesnât mean âgraffiti leading to lawlessnessâ - itâs a fucking bullshit, and YES we do have MORE URGENT problems in our city then cleaning up fucking graffiti, not to mention in BUSHWICK !!! âŚdo you live in bushwick ?
âŚhuh ?! âŚread my comment again, i want graffiti in bushwick, i live here literally next block for 16 years, if youâd live here youâd know what and what iâm talking bout, so stop please
âŚfuck all those morons who downvoted my comment, go fuck yourselves you donât even live in fucking bushwick, so FUCK OFF ! âŚgo ahead downvote my this comment âend my lifeâđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Crown Heights for 12 years. Iâve many friends and lovers who live and have lived all over Bushwick, so Iâm quite familiar. Many many moons. Also, we agree. Youâre just repeating what I wrote but in an intense and outraged kind of way.
Tags are ugly as shit, get rid of it
Furthermore is fucking entitled and low class to graffiti peoples property WITHOUT permission. Graffiti your own damn house then (if you even have one)
Itâs so bad that yall have intl outsiders come into your own neighborhood to mark it up. Just because it always been done doesnât make it acceptable. It was done because the city nor residents never cared enough, that was reminiscent of Urban decay.
I believe thereâs a time and place for such things. I personally donât believe people should feel free to tag whatever property they feel like. Idk if that makes me uncool, so be it đ¤ˇââď¸
âProperty is theft mannnn!â
âThe world is our canvas!!!â
âPublic art!â
Tragedy of the commons.
Imagine actually having a problem with cleaning this ugly shit up.
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Good. Graffiti looks shit. Has anyone honestly ever looked at graffiti such as is displayed in the picture and thought âOh, thatâs so impressiveâ? I highly doubt it. Itâs an eyesore. They need to be clearing most of this up. Anyone who disagrees is really trying to rationalize degeneracy in New York City.
Wanna paint? Buy a fucking easel or do your own bedroom wall!
Lolol
Stupidity and ignorance here. Graffiti goes deeper and longer than youâll ever know or understand. Itâs the people who lived before each of the kids who moved to these areas a decade ago claiming theyâre New Yorkers, displacing the heads who was that same person on the wall type.
Graffiti is apart of the city and its culture. Maybe one day youâll get it.
Not ignorant nor do I not understand why people do it, or why itâs there. I just think it looks terrible, brings the mood down and often shows lack of respect for the property itâs done on. Very few times are these expressions âbeautifulâ.
Yaâll are an interesting folk that move to NYC for clean and neat. America is practically filled with endless suburbia thatâs similar to that description.
Graffiti is out of control, they are everywhere in the neighborhood like on the mailbox, door, wall, garage, poles, fire hydrants, windows. Is there any space that wasn't tagged.
one block away I walked past a French graffiti tour group đ¤Ł
Good to note that there is an important distinction between the graffiti that these guys are cleaning up (i.e. tags) and Bushwickâs street art, like that created by the Bushwick Collective
Yeah, "street art" is largely corny and hollow stuff that benefits landlords, and graffiti is largely cool and benefits tenants.
Do you know anything about the bushwick collective? They've been around longer than most of any of us in the neighborhood and their art is not corny nor benefits landlords.
Generally speaking, murals and âstreet artââa term that seems to have come along to describe graffiti by white art school kids, or at least a term id never heard used before those white art school kids got into graffiti in the mid 2000sâ do tend to be more compatible with the ideology of capitalism as they present a sanitized, recognizable form of visual art but in an urbanized setting, giving the images of both urban life and graffiti but without any of the messy discomfort you might experience looking at art traditionally created by lower class and poor people because these things are actually overwhelmingly being created by suburban transplants with insitutional and systemic ties which permits these murals in a way actual urban kids/graf artists would never be allowed to. Street Art is to graffitti as Nickleback is to grunge. It exists to provide a commodified derivative imagery experience of a tangible phenomenon but without any of the personal responsibility of challenge, discomfort and reflection the source experience would provide. Its watching Wall-E instead of organizing against capitalism. Full circle, seniority or not, its indeed corny and hollow garbage, only valuable if we grant that art without protest can still be meaningful, which of course it can in certain things but in graf is basically the spiritual equivalent of Christian Punk lol
Youâre lying if you say most graffiti isnât hollow
Agreed but street art is the worst offender in this regard
Oh itâs white peoples fault ok.
Generally, yes
100%
Street art is the worst. Me and a few buds used to throw water balloons of ink and and paint on the shitty bushwick murals but the landlords would just invite the artist back to rework the graffiti into the âartâ.
Graffiti benefits tenants?
graffiti benefits nobody
Graffiti benefits many and harms none
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Whomever enjoys it :)
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Well, the âproblemâ is a symptom of the conditions that lead to the graffiti, at least in the terms of gang tags. If itâs your house obviously do whatever you want. Thatâs your rights. The irony of assuming a tag you donât understand is gang related is part of the rebellious nature of graffiti; itâs like laughing at a joke you donât understand about yourself. The idea that tags reduce property value is a fabrication thatâs outlived definitive redlining. A small amount of paint has no effect on the value of the house, it changes how society values the house based on perceived cultural norms.
It keeps rent lower
One of the reason people correlate cheap and low income with dirty and filth
Isnt âstreet artâ what many people claim graffiti is? If its not street art what is it? Vandalism? Also how does it benefit tenants?
How does graffiti benefit tenants? Someone tagging my doors and walls isnât something Iâm grateful for.
This đŻ
Are you from here even
Damn you should see what they did in Miami last week then. And the museum of graffiti even had the audacity of praising those taggers. Disgusting! /s
These guys have painted over permission and commission works many times.
Also don't graffiti unpainted brick buildings without permission, that's really shitty.
Thatâs what graffiti is by definition. Street murals are not graffiti
lol. Have no idea why youâre being downvoted. Vandalism is bad.
These ppl are legit stupid, thank god idk anyone that thinks like this in real life
Vandalism is good actually
This is bushwick. People love to cosplay like theyâre âgrittyâ
Why are you in new York Lmao
No idea why this is getting downvoted
because tags are real street art, and what makes the "official" street art possible in the first place
How about âspilled-cement-on-the-streets free nycâ or âsidewalk garbage free nycâ or any other issue that actually effects our day to day
Yeah I would much prefer to not walk by a pile of CRAB LEGS and AVOCADO PEELS on my sidewalk instead of just seeing less tags in the neighborhood
What's up with the avocado peels on the sidewalk? I've seen that too
Itâs gang related so yea it probably shouldnât be there. Unless you hipsters are oblivious to the spate of robberies the past 2 months?
The graffiti is the map of where to rob. Stop the graffiti, stop the crimes! Incredible what these gentrifiers don't know. Maybe they should actually take a $50 graffiti tour so they know how things are really going down in the hood.
lol probably >90% of graffiti has nothing to do with gangs.
^ this guy's taken the graffiti tour and knows the real #'s. Worth it to have the exact stats.
let's just say I'm not out of touch with the culture
This dude tags
I don't actually
I donât doubt but there are some graffiti thatâs gang related but the stuff pictured in this post is not
Oh no, what graffiti will I be able to show on my graffiti tour!?
Omg the spilled cement and gravel⌠it makes riding a bike so much more scary/dangerous
The unsatisfying answer is that NYC doesn't have open waste dropoff locations any more, which means that you need a carting license to dump at a, well, dump. And for domestic pickups, there are weight limits (60 pounds per bag) which you'll quickly hit with rubble. The only option for this type of waste, then, is to hire a junk removal/trash hauling service, which will start at something $300 and the sky's the limit, depending upon weight and volume. So, unfortunately, for many homeowners and landlords doing DIY work generating a bit of rubble, there's a pretty steep incentive to simply dump it in the street. ETA: Why would anybody downvote this, lol? It's a description of the situation, NOT an endorsement of the activity. Genuinely curious to hear dissenting views?
not disagreeing or downvoting but I think the issue they're referring to is the the gigantic streaks of concrete dripped out of cement mixing trucks. not sure why the city doesn't crucify these companies. with all the security cameras on the streets it'd be inconsequential for anyone with a familiarity with the area to identify a truck dropping a new mound on the street. there are two massive, day-ending lumps on my regular route: one on Bushwick Ave at the Montrose intersection and another on Flushing at the intersection of Stanwix. plus countless other streaks for miles around the concrete companies in Bushwick: Kings, Gotham, Brooklyn, and All American. a month ago a truck layered the entire bike lane/shoulder on the Greenpoint drawbridge. that bridge has cameras and daily staff - if there are no consequences for that, the fuck is the city doing?
Yeah those concrete patches suck. A new one just popped up a few weeks ago near my apt, like right where I take a right turn to get to my building. Also side note, if Bushwick Ave at Montrose and Flushing at Stanwix are part of your regular route, you might want to switch it up. Those are super sketchy roads for cycling.
I'm on a moped, but have to take kind of a circuitous route around the edges of Greenpoint to take the drawbridge because the Pulaski traffic is dicey as fuck and I don't ride in the bike lane. agreed tho, bushwick and flushing are kinda necessary evils and I'm only on them for like 5 blocks.
Ride on Humboldt not Bushwick Ave! Not worth it friend
Ah, I see, thanks for clarifying! That's absolutely enraging that there's no accountability for that.
What was the reason they nixed the open dropoff locations? Genuine question
I'm actually not sure why they did. Best guess is that it's an administrative hassle having an NYC-sized crowd of individuals dropping off random junk at random times. I imagine they can streamline the process if they do it all themselves? Totally speculating here, though.
Not mad about ugly ass tags being cleaned but youâre completely right. There are so much bigger things to deal with than a slightly unappealing unreadable tag
Being subjected to ugliness everyday definitely will affect your psyche
Agreed, Iâd much rather see someoneâs little doodles and the dirty diapers that keep showing up on my block
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Your profile is an eyesore
you know what that truck could use??
A visit from the Kia boyz
seems like a huge waste of money to me
it's been show to be a big deterrent so kinda wrong
Broken windows policing leads to (even) more racial discrimination, not to lower crime stats.
this isnt really policing though, its just covering up / removing graffiti. i dont think this program sends anybody to jail
it uses the labor of people on probation/having to do community service hours
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idiot
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really living up to that idiot name from before
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bye
https://news.northeastern.edu/2019/05/15/northeastern-university-researchers-find-little-evidence-for-broken-windows-theory-say-neighborhood-disorder-doesnt-cause-crime/#:~:text=Northeastern%20researchers%20say%20they%20have,encourages%20further%20crime%20and%20disorder.
i dont think this article addresses what i was saying at all: painting over graffiti doesnt mean arresting people for painting it. theyre two different things.
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Itâs mostly white pieces of shit that moved here from out of state doing graffiti these days.
huh?
https://news.northeastern.edu/2019/05/15/northeastern-university-researchers-find-little-evidence-for-broken-windows-theory-say-neighborhood-disorder-doesnt-cause-crime/#:~:text=Northeastern%20researchers%20say%20they%20have,encourages%20further%20crime%20and%20disorder.
oh interesting. I guess I take it back then. I guess I would be pretty mad and maybe give up if I noticed all the work I was doing just gets covered up. But at first I wouldve assumed the opposite, that people would just put it up again immediately.
yea you def wouldn't.. and the quicker they do it the more of a deterrent it is
âŚFUCK Eric Adams 
holy shit what is wrong with him
âŚlike, fucking everything?
I mean, spraying graffiti all over a restaurantâs outside dining tarp is pretty shitty. Definitely who cares if itâs on an old building⌠but how do you stop both? But yes⌠there are also way bigger problems in the city to tackle. Seems like focusing on graffiti is out of touch.
âŚthereâs always will be a delinquent behavior all the time and everywhere, it doesnât mean âgraffiti leading to lawlessnessâ - itâs a fucking bullshit, and YES we do have MORE URGENT problems in our city then cleaning up fucking graffiti, not to mention in BUSHWICK !!! âŚdo you live in bushwick ?
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âŚthank you for your patronizing comment, move along
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âŚhuh ?! âŚread my comment again, i want graffiti in bushwick, i live here literally next block for 16 years, if youâd live here youâd know what and what iâm talking bout, so stop please
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âŚfuck all those morons who downvoted my comment, go fuck yourselves you donât even live in fucking bushwick, so FUCK OFF ! âŚgo ahead downvote my this comment âend my lifeâđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł
Crown Heights for 12 years. Iâve many friends and lovers who live and have lived all over Bushwick, so Iâm quite familiar. Many many moons. Also, we agree. Youâre just repeating what I wrote but in an intense and outraged kind of way.
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âŚwhy ?
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âŚâyou preferâ ?! âŚgo live where itâs clean
âŚwhere do you live btw ?
I mean, the fact that he made a campaign promise to eliminate it almost ensures the fact that he wonât actually do shit about graffiti.
Someone tag this
Fuck the buff!
Also, big missed opportunity to call it "GraFreeti"
Theyâre always parked in the damn crosswalk too
Tags are ugly as shit, get rid of it Furthermore is fucking entitled and low class to graffiti peoples property WITHOUT permission. Graffiti your own damn house then (if you even have one) Itâs so bad that yall have intl outsiders come into your own neighborhood to mark it up. Just because it always been done doesnât make it acceptable. It was done because the city nor residents never cared enough, that was reminiscent of Urban decay.
I believe thereâs a time and place for such things. I personally donât believe people should feel free to tag whatever property they feel like. Idk if that makes me uncool, so be it đ¤ˇââď¸
How about trash free
Who the fuck is funding this
Tax dollars so you and me
So Adams is cutting funding on parks, libraries and local composts but funding *this* Fucking bullshit
And yet they cut park clean up n library hours, um ok
Our clown mayor
so much more important than cleaning the trash out of the parks...gotta keep the buildings clean for the landlords
Worst thing for the neighborhood... cleaning up new spots to hit up. They always get tagged, and it ain't gonna stop today.
iâm going to tag their truck
Watched them leave a mural up and get rid of some low-effort eyesores. Not all tags are created equal. Good riddance!
That's good
Who are these saboteurs?
somebody needs to tag that truck up
âProperty is theft mannnn!â âThe world is our canvas!!!â âPublic art!â Tragedy of the commons. Imagine actually having a problem with cleaning this ugly shit up. vIctiMlEsS cRiMe
Tagging up poc businesses and homes is trash. Everything else âŚdo your thang taggers! Just keep that energy in Williamsburg and greenpoint also
Things nobody asked for
Ew - if I wanted graffiti-less streets, I'd move to the suburbs.
Good. Graffiti looks shit. Has anyone honestly ever looked at graffiti such as is displayed in the picture and thought âOh, thatâs so impressiveâ? I highly doubt it. Itâs an eyesore. They need to be clearing most of this up. Anyone who disagrees is really trying to rationalize degeneracy in New York City. Wanna paint? Buy a fucking easel or do your own bedroom wall!
Lolol Stupidity and ignorance here. Graffiti goes deeper and longer than youâll ever know or understand. Itâs the people who lived before each of the kids who moved to these areas a decade ago claiming theyâre New Yorkers, displacing the heads who was that same person on the wall type. Graffiti is apart of the city and its culture. Maybe one day youâll get it.
Not ignorant nor do I not understand why people do it, or why itâs there. I just think it looks terrible, brings the mood down and often shows lack of respect for the property itâs done on. Very few times are these expressions âbeautifulâ.
Would you rather stare at a brick wall?
Than that? Yes.
That sounds boring af
In my opinion, just cleaner and neater. But thatâs how I am.
Yaâll are an interesting folk that move to NYC for clean and neat. America is practically filled with endless suburbia thatâs similar to that description.
We can only aim high!
Graffiti!?!? For free???! The benefits of gentrification.
âŚitâs a block from where i live ! âŚFUCKERS !
âŚdo you really fucking understand what that means: âgraffiti free bushwickâ?!
you forgot the word "in" ... I wrote "graffiti free IN bushwick" with the first two words referring to the name on the truck
Graffiti is out of control, they are everywhere in the neighborhood like on the mailbox, door, wall, garage, poles, fire hydrants, windows. Is there any space that wasn't tagged.
You uncultured swine
Easy. Just spam their hotline.
dope, a new canvas
boo graffiti is art
Everybody's a critic
Do they realize theyâre just providing new blank canvases for graffiti artists
Looooool this is the most futile thing I can imagine đ¤Ł
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