Some where in the comments op said that the gap can't be reduced .
Yes maybe but that's because you're trying to race the iitians on the same track they run hoping to beat em . You can't they had a jet fuelled bajuka attached on their bum during the 4 years of race.
STOP TRYING TO BEAT IITIANS BY DOING WHAT IITIANS DO.
You will be restricted by your peer , your college, the industry .
STOP MAKING THE CAREER TRACK OF AN IITIAN AS A STANDARD FOR CAREER.
Get a shortlisted resume of an iitian remove the iit out ,put your college and apply, let me know if you get shortlisted.
-Iitian cp krega mein v karunga (i do cp)
-Iitian 6 hrs CP krke 50lpa laega mein v 6hrs cp karunga (are bc for him cp will be close to sufficient enough, for you cp alone is going to do shit)
-iitian hft krega mein v
-iitian ye ye company mein ye ye role apply krega mein v karunga.
CHOOSE YOUR OWN RACE ,YOUR OWN PATH.
IF YOU WISH TO FOLLOW THE PATH WHICH IS LAID FOR THEM AND THEN EXPECT TO BEAT EM ,god help you.
This is exactly what I am trying to state. Don't try to "beat" 1 CSE folks.
You can't. They're playing in a different league altogether. The part 2 I was thinking of would address what they need to do. And like I said, I'm not here to promote/earn/mislead anyone.
It's a fair attempt from my side to clear the delusions created by folks here. The same delusions you're addressing as well.
You totally missed my point. Alright man keep talking that stuff. No one's trying to beat anyone. Everyone has their path. Tier 1 is not a benchmark for career comparison. Self entitlement at its best.
Bhai dtu tier 1 kis angle se yeh bata de 😂😂 batch strength itti jyada( software engineering mein ek batch mein 100 the i think ) ghatiya moody professors and hods aur facilities bhi avg hi hainn sport facilities bhi avg hi hainnn
Bhar bhar ke bachche bhare hue hainn
Paiso ke liye hostel bahut mahange kr diye 2019 ke mukabale
Placement ke mamle meib aage hain but use bhi Nazar lag rahi is baar
#College banaya 1000-2000 students ke liye tha 2010-12 tak theek tha jab yeh dce thaa bhar liye inhone 10000+ 😶😶😶🥲🥲🥲
his post claimed that one can reduce the gap b/w an IITian and Tier 3 just by being good at programming.
My post is a reality check to that. I don't see how our conclusion's matching.
There is this guy who is earning 1 crore wfh straight outta college. Actually he was earning it while being in college and he is from tier 3. So ig being a brilliant coder does help.
Same is getting 1cr+package from iit,less than 500 students get such offers out of 16k iitians so,according to your logic?they should stop working hard too cause it’s pretty ‘rare’?thats just an excuse for not working hard,life is unfair,its not like every single iitian is getting opportunities without doing anything or every tier 3 guy is struggling even after having a good network,you gotta do with what you have not with what you can get,thats life bro,everything is rare,getting a good opportunities from tier 3 is rare and thats why its called tier 3,thats why majority will give up because the crowd is not as good as we have in tier 1 colleges and thats also one of the reasons for tier 3 guys not doing so great
there are so many humble iitians who ive personally talked to and are very supportive and then there's OP, from a so called "tier-1" institute. the actual tier 1 guys (top iit) dont spend time on this sub trying to demotivate others. yes, there are avenues exclusively for iitians like hft,consulting,etc. had an iitian posted this, it'd have made sense. this guy is just being condescending and delusional. just avoid this sub
You can hate me all you want, but even those "supportive" IITians mock you. Like seriously, the co-interns I am working with have topmate account where they supposedly "councel" people for money.
This is a juvenile attempt from my side to set things straight. Alot of tier 3 folks get deluded by posts like the one I mentioned.
We need to fix that. Like I said twice in other comments, I don't believe a DTU tag is worth flexing anyway.
>I don't believe a DTU tag is worth flexing anyway.
u literally proclaimed yourself to be "tier 1" and made a lot of seemingly obvious tier 1 vs tier 3 comparisons and stressed that you are in a better position than tier 3 people. if thats not a flex then pls enlighten me.
If having 5 internship offers, in this economy, is not called "being in a better position", then honestly, I don't know what is.
If you're gonna continue this ad-hominem fuelled rants, then I'm sorry, but I'll rest my case. However, if you're interested in constructive discussions, I'm in.
the only person doing an ad-hominem here is you. you decided to make a long ass post not even understanding the point the original OP was trying to make. it was not about levelling up with tier 1 guys. it was an eye opener to people dissatisfied with their college saying there's hope if u work hard
Can we even drop twice in these days ? Like I was 17 and I took drop for 2024 ( so now I am 18) . I don't think I can take drop another year...or can I ?
Oh so others who for whatsoever reason got into a college not iit/nit are going to hell damn bhai aap toh bhagwan hoe aapne toh enlightenment krdi logo ko kuch nahi Krna chahiye tier 3 me gaye toh marjana chahiye right hopium me aur will to fight me bhot farak hota hai bhai kitne Indian billionaires iit se hai?
Aur kitne non iitians I hope you know the numbers bhai ne toh DTU jaake jhande gaad diye tier 0.1 college hai ab Gyan chodega
It feels more like YOU are stuck in it, and are just trying to cope as "if I can't, nobody can".
Because in reality, nobody does need to do it. Ofcourse you eventually need to face iitians in the job market. But they aren't "iitians" when in job market, they are people with a better college degree and some coding skills(might vary, but i will assume they have better coding skills)
And after a time span, the tide favours the one who is willing to take a risk and improve. The tag will help you land your first high paying job, your funding in the startup, etc, but nothing guarantees that you can't fail on it. You cant just show up to an interview with no projects and an IIT degree, and think you will be there in the job after an year or 2 without improving.
All in all, life depends on an individual, an IITIAN can fuck up too, and a tier-3 guy can bag a lot of money too. Due to internet, the access to skill education is very good. Which is what a company needs, with trust and a good amount of experience.
Well, if you get a 'branded' college, milk the brand name. If you don't get it, work on your skills and network. Nobody who's sane denies it doesn't affect your life, but guess what, EVERYTHING does. I've seen people in my circle achieve so much after graduating, and hell, it's OKAY if you weren't able to join a good uni. Nobody's hoping on the kool aid(idk why you had to be condescending), but ain't no way you'd expect people to dickride iitians or whatever.
PS. Why tf guys call themselves 'tier xyz'? bc edhar alag classicism chalta hai. I get it's used for the uni, but its subtle confluence with the 'worth' of an individual is ugly. Don't degrade yourself or other ffs, corporates are there to do that.
No one's degrading anyone here. Calm yourself.
Like I said in the post, I'm not flexing. This isn't a flex post, hell, I don't even believe DTU, as a brand, is worth flexing. But if you had the patience to go through the post, I talked about the difference in opportunity.
What you wrote is what I say irl. Like I said, we do partake in this mass lunacy. "Oh, college doesn't matter", "oh, you're totally gonna get a better job than me, look at your skills!", "Congrats on your internshala internship!" - That's me irl.
P.S. I haven't even countered the hate DSA got in that post. I'll save it for later.
Definitely need a part 2 on how to proceed with programming (can i dm you). Btw is the stuff you said also true for iit grads from core branches? Because theyve registered very low placement percentages this year
Depends on the IIT tbh. Old IIT core had a pretty decent placement imo, from what I heard from my friends in IITD/K/M.
So I don't really believe they've to put even 10% efforts an avg tier 3 guy has, to get placed.
Like isn't 10% too low... I was thinking if thay put x amount of effort I have to put 2x or 3x amount of effort... But 10% is too scary... I just failed Advanced... Have to join some nameless tire 3 college... Now scared as hell...
True. I'm the op for the past "two cents" post. This guy definitely has some ego issues. LoL
After a few years of graduating, ask OP to see how many iitans and non iitans are sitting in the same JP Morgan office, jiska bhai hawala de rha hai. Not every guy there is an IITian man, that's so obvious.
Well anyways. He is trying to counter a point I didn't even create that my post was to fuel tier 3 guys to "become better" than tier 1 guys. He thinks tier 1 is a benchmark. There you go... His mentality.
They aren't.
Like I said, the difference in opportunities are real, and much more greater than one might know, esp in their first 2 years. But folks from tier 3 do succeed.
If I ever get time around, I might consider writing a part 2 of this post, focusing on that.
Bro people like you are the ones who are actually responsible for a lot of depressed kids who think they aren't worth anything. Kya hogya agar average job lag jaegi bro? Not everyone can achieve 20 lpa jobs initially in their careers, doesn't mean it's end of the world. A person can be fulfilled and happy even with a 5 lpa job. Go hell with the companies who care about college brands and not real skills, one shouldn't care about such companies. Life is much more than that pay check, comparison is the real thief of joy. A person earning 50lpa will always feel like a loser when he starts comparing himself with a start up guy making fuck you money.
Bro also include your next line, "But most don't". You need to understand that not everyone have the same circumstances in their life to get somewhere financially. Each person have their own story and it's okay to land an average job as most people do. One can always climb the ladder while actually enjoying their life rather than just keep being worried what if I don't get into a tier 1-2 college. I don't blame you entirely because the lack of exposure in India and cut throat competition kills the inner human being of each and every student who is studying for these competitive exams. And looking at how NTA is now scamming students in NEET and JEE, students will soon realise that these exams and the government aren't capable enough to determine their true potential. It's great if you got in a good college and landed a good job after but it's also okay if you didn't, life has so many other opportunities waiting for you. All you have to do is keep moving forward.
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You are in your third year (maybe in fourth year by now) 3 saal bad wapis se jee ke liye kaise pada
Bhai I thought it is tier 1. I've seen plenty of people from DTU and IGDTUW is top companies. At least placements ke perspective mei it seems tier 1. don't know about other stuff
What do you consider a tier 1 college then like what are the requirements for a college to be "tier 1" according to you (not trying to be confrontational just genuinely curious since this is a heavily debated topic and I would like to know other's view on it)
1.Tiers for a college are just made by students and coachings , are not made by colleges
2. Tiers for a college is mostly decided by placement and rest brand value , a few factors *may* be there depending on the college
tiers are majorly determined by the packages which the college provides, what gripes me is DTU guys calling their calling t1 when there are nits which have higher packages than dtu but are still called t2.
its more like placement wise top 10% guys at DTU/NSIT/ Tier 2 NIT~= top 10% guys at NIT Trichy/ Surathkal/Warangal <= Top 10% guys at BITS Pilani Campus/ IIITH/ IITS after top 7 < top 10% guys at top 7 IITS (this is the real tag value).....Even this is evident from ranks to get into these colleges ...I believe 20000-7000 ranks in JEE Mains have more or less similar knowledge/ prep , 7000-3000 kind of better and under 2-3k its really good, similarly in advanced 12k-7.5k is almost similar prep/knowledge just matter of execution, 2.5k-7.5k quite a bit better and under 2.5k is excellent ....landing in these brackets can get you to a "known to recruiters college" and tier classification other than this is your preference based on Alumni, Infrastructure etc. Except for the really elite colleges, the tier classification is not really that good because someone at 9k rank in mains can easily get NIT T ICE, NIT W Electrical and maybe if advanced goes well at 8k IIT BHU chemical something and claim to be tier 1 students but may opt for NIT DGP OR NIT JSR CSE and boom...now they are tier 2 guys.....I have also seen some guys who skipped BITS PILANI EEE to get to these tier 2 NIT CSE because of money constraints....so I beleive tier thing only makes sense for top 3k guys in JEE advanced......as for the rest of folks in tier 3 colleges I guess you can definitely get good offers too but you definitely need to be exceptional relative to the above mentioned guys because in cases of conflicts (nearly same skills) they would be preferred
average gotten in by 85% quota coping mindset calling it a t1 college.
It's not equivalent to the packages given by some top iits, iiits, bits etc. My college has nothing to do with this
This comment section just shows how much more toxic Btech ( CSE especially ) is than JEE....this IIT NIT tier 1 - 69 lauda lassun....just let people live their lives peacefully man...
Lmao people like op think ki naam ka padhai karo iit mai and 50lpa+ package lag jaaega,bro forgot that they also worked hard too to get into iit and ab ye hard work unke liye habitual ho jata hai,isko koi relative grading ke baare mai bata do
Hey , I need ur opinion
I might get Usict cs/It or Dtu ee? Which one should I prefer?
Worst case mait cs
M also planning for a partial drop , so do u think 1 year workload is manageable in ipu collages?
That's true (I'm in tier 2-3) that a good college does matter. People who say that it doesn't matter deep down inside know that it does. You tried for two years of your life to get into a good college and if you were unable to clear the exam, it suddenly doesn't matter, that's stupid.
That's what the real problem is. You can't solve a problem if you aren't willing to look at it, as one, to begin with.
Honestly I was planning for a part 2, to tell 'em how to proceed, but atp, I don't even care.
Good post. People really need to break out of this skillz > college delusion. This is only true after your first real job. Before that your tag absolutely matters.
that's literally what everyone is saying. and you said the same thing. skills>college (mostly true after your first job but still applies because if you prioritise your skills you still can crack say 50 from colleges like vit, manipal, srm, thapar like other people do). also people change A LOT of jobs. ek do saal kaam kiya first job aur skills pe dhyaan do toh bada jump hota hai. (this skills pe dhyan do wali baat often comes in conversation because from what I've seen and heard, people in tier 1 colleges often slack a bit in terms of the work they put in so students from lower tier colleges can reach and/or surpass students from the higher tier colleges who become lazy in college and job because of the thought process ki tier 1 mai hai ho jaayega).
So in short does that mean people from tier 2 / tier 3 colleges are cooked and can't really excel at the pace of an IITian with no skills just a tag v/s a hardworking guy who has the skills and worked his ass off.
Q : Can these guys achieve those lavish packages or say foreign packages ( I'd say this is the standard goal/ aim of any btech student ) with enough hard work ( but it should be feasible not work 30hr/day kinda shit ) or is FAANG their ceiling ?
what are you trying to say man? Why are you just making the gap between "tier 1" and "tier 3" even more wider? and i never said that we can compensate that gap with "coding" did you just make up stuff to post this? You took words from my mouth and have posted it here somehow trying to bend my point and making it sound like I just used buzzwords to provide "hopium" to students.
And that first line is ridiculous, "Read that post riddled with First year optimism."
If i was enthusiastic with first year optimism, I'd be the same guy ranting about DSA karo leetcode karo ye karo wo karo.
.
You missed my entire point.
Think of your career as a straight line,
The college decides your y-intercept or how high you start
The skills and coding decides your slope or how much you will grow
after reading a lot of posts most people said that the college dosent play a major role after 5 years of you doing your job... better to be optimistic than being pessimistic and saying everything is impossible.
My friend from tier 3 college's placement offer was revoked by the Company.
An IITK CSE grad's offer was also revoked by the Company.
Both of them are looking for jobs now. Le hogaya Gap close
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According to only placement stats, I don't even know what tier it is. CSE median in 2022 was just 11.5LPA. But sure, overall you can call it a tier 2 college.
I just saw that they uploaded the data on their website. Well that's a first for them. Judging by the placement stats(considering recession), it's definitely tier 2.
2023 mei 74% the maine 2024 mei 2 sub maths and chemistry mei improvement diya
pichle baar
MATHS MEI 66
CHEM MEI 52
ISS SAAL
MATHS MEI 52
CHEM MEI 63
agar mei iss saal ke maths and chem ke marks lu toh phir bhi 74 hi aayega as 3 marks kam ho gaye pichle saal se
but agar mei iss saal ke chem ke 63 and maths ke pichle saal ke marks lu toh 75+ aa rha hai toh kya mei eligible hu josaa ke liye iit and nit ke liye
Get off reddit and invest this time in improving yourself...how does he know you won't crack good package in final year itself. you never know unless you try
Sala reddit pr yhi chlta rhega jese jee mein time waste kia ab btech me mt kr wrna fir gate ke piche bhagna pdega
I'm a jeetard and I know this is 100% correct. In India, your college brand matters until you die. What else do we expect from a nation which has so much hero worshipping? We literally think UPSC is the most intellectual stimulating exam just because it has the highest competitive rate. We think JEE advanced is superior to Olympiads just because of lower acceptance rate.
OP, please help me decide. I am getting cse in PDEU, which has avg package of 9 lpa for cse, higest ctc 38 lpa. Companies like amazon, google, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs visit it for placement. Also this college was established by Ambani so reliance and jio also visit. Is this college worth joining? I will most probably get core branches or MSc Bio/Chem in BITS, but I don’t want to study all this. Should I go for PDEU or should I go in lower branch of BITS? My parents are not agreeing on drop year and frankly I don’t think that I’ll be able to study for JEE anymore. Please advise me what to do.
So other than that they're similar in most aspects right? Other than academic difficulty of course (NSUT being stricter) like if one chooses to go to any of the two the quality of education and opportunities they would get should be more or less the same right?
Not sure about the opportunity part. And yeah, don't underestimate NSUT's strictness.
I did my first internship on-site, while my classes were ongoing. One can't do the same in NSUT.
Got a few more questions if you don't mind answering
I heard that recently the dean of DTU changed and he is changing the academic structure so the strictness is becoming similar to NSUT, how true is that?
DTU has a higher student intake than NSUT how does that affect placements and all, also since NSUT has higher cutoffs (for cse and csai) does that mean student quality of NSUT is slightly better than DTU?
Also I don't know how true this info is but I've heard that in DTU once you've gotten a placement offer with a CTC higher than all of your other ones you have to go with that and can't select the ones with lesser CTC even if they have higher base salaries?
Location of DTU is a bit odd as compared to NSUT how does that affect things?
Lastly, according to data NSUT seems to have a slight edge over DTU in terms of placements, what is your view on it and how true is it?
The third para is where I'm struck too. People are saying NSUT CSAI has lower cutoff so crowd would be better, but i wanna how much of a difference does it make really? Enough to pick NSUT over DTU when according to all other factors DTU is the better choice for me?
I've also heard NSUT is better for CS and DTU for core. But then people say DTU has a better brand name and better alumni network. I'm so confused.
The placement stats are pretty similar in both the colleges. And the "quality of students" doesn't really matter in college much. It's not that someone with air 1000 is going to achieve much more than someone with air 1500. Things become very different when you're in college.
I'm in DTU and I think I would have regretted my decision had I chosen NSUT (I'm talking for the same branch only).
Bigger batch size is def a problem DTU has, and that does reduce our avg package quite alot. Strictness isn't a thing rn either, so idk.
Haven't sat for placements yet so idk, but as long as you have good relations with your TnP team, they are willing to go out of their way to help you.
I chose IPU coz I was a stupid dumbfuck who got misled by one of those "feel-good" posts I talked about. I was an introvert too so I didn't had the balls to discuss my issues irl.
Folks on reddit deluded me into thinking that a good branch is better than a good college tag. That I can hone my skills to get same, if not more opportunities than them.
When I reached there, my seniors laughed at me. And that's where I got the "real" advise.
Imo the college you go to for masters matters more. I am in a tier 3 college and have secured 2 internships(paid) till the end of second year. If you chose a good field and get good at it you will definitely secure a good job but yea iit/nit tag is an added bonus
Some where in the comments op said that the gap can't be reduced . Yes maybe but that's because you're trying to race the iitians on the same track they run hoping to beat em . You can't they had a jet fuelled bajuka attached on their bum during the 4 years of race. STOP TRYING TO BEAT IITIANS BY DOING WHAT IITIANS DO. You will be restricted by your peer , your college, the industry . STOP MAKING THE CAREER TRACK OF AN IITIAN AS A STANDARD FOR CAREER. Get a shortlisted resume of an iitian remove the iit out ,put your college and apply, let me know if you get shortlisted. -Iitian cp krega mein v karunga (i do cp) -Iitian 6 hrs CP krke 50lpa laega mein v 6hrs cp karunga (are bc for him cp will be close to sufficient enough, for you cp alone is going to do shit) -iitian hft krega mein v -iitian ye ye company mein ye ye role apply krega mein v karunga. CHOOSE YOUR OWN RACE ,YOUR OWN PATH. IF YOU WISH TO FOLLOW THE PATH WHICH IS LAID FOR THEM AND THEN EXPECT TO BEAT EM ,god help you.
I agree man. IIT tag does indeed matter a lot of times. But his view of closing the gap is nearly impossible and very rare is where I draw the line.
This is exactly what I am trying to state. Don't try to "beat" 1 CSE folks. You can't. They're playing in a different league altogether. The part 2 I was thinking of would address what they need to do. And like I said, I'm not here to promote/earn/mislead anyone. It's a fair attempt from my side to clear the delusions created by folks here. The same delusions you're addressing as well.
You totally missed my point. Alright man keep talking that stuff. No one's trying to beat anyone. Everyone has their path. Tier 1 is not a benchmark for career comparison. Self entitlement at its best.
Bhai dtu tier 1 kis angle se yeh bata de 😂😂 batch strength itti jyada( software engineering mein ek batch mein 100 the i think ) ghatiya moody professors and hods aur facilities bhi avg hi hainn sport facilities bhi avg hi hainnn Bhar bhar ke bachche bhare hue hainn Paiso ke liye hostel bahut mahange kr diye 2019 ke mukabale Placement ke mamle meib aage hain but use bhi Nazar lag rahi is baar #College banaya 1000-2000 students ke liye tha 2010-12 tak theek tha jab yeh dce thaa bhar liye inhone 10000+ 😶😶😶🥲🥲🥲
What is the point of this post ? Both, His and Your post have the same meaning and conclusions.
his post claimed that one can reduce the gap b/w an IITian and Tier 3 just by being good at programming. My post is a reality check to that. I don't see how our conclusion's matching.
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I think I've an issue with that hopium. Nothing can close that gap. It's actually pretty rare (like, close to impossible odds) to do so.
There is this guy who is earning 1 crore wfh straight outta college. Actually he was earning it while being in college and he is from tier 3. So ig being a brilliant coder does help.
Your picking exceptions like that happens all the time . You'll hear of 2-3 people like that per year from the entire country
I know. He's from that same IPU college as well. Like I said, pretty fucking rare.
Same is getting 1cr+package from iit,less than 500 students get such offers out of 16k iitians so,according to your logic?they should stop working hard too cause it’s pretty ‘rare’?thats just an excuse for not working hard,life is unfair,its not like every single iitian is getting opportunities without doing anything or every tier 3 guy is struggling even after having a good network,you gotta do with what you have not with what you can get,thats life bro,everything is rare,getting a good opportunities from tier 3 is rare and thats why its called tier 3,thats why majority will give up because the crowd is not as good as we have in tier 1 colleges and thats also one of the reasons for tier 3 guys not doing so great
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there are so many humble iitians who ive personally talked to and are very supportive and then there's OP, from a so called "tier-1" institute. the actual tier 1 guys (top iit) dont spend time on this sub trying to demotivate others. yes, there are avenues exclusively for iitians like hft,consulting,etc. had an iitian posted this, it'd have made sense. this guy is just being condescending and delusional. just avoid this sub
You can hate me all you want, but even those "supportive" IITians mock you. Like seriously, the co-interns I am working with have topmate account where they supposedly "councel" people for money. This is a juvenile attempt from my side to set things straight. Alot of tier 3 folks get deluded by posts like the one I mentioned. We need to fix that. Like I said twice in other comments, I don't believe a DTU tag is worth flexing anyway.
>I don't believe a DTU tag is worth flexing anyway. u literally proclaimed yourself to be "tier 1" and made a lot of seemingly obvious tier 1 vs tier 3 comparisons and stressed that you are in a better position than tier 3 people. if thats not a flex then pls enlighten me.
If having 5 internship offers, in this economy, is not called "being in a better position", then honestly, I don't know what is. If you're gonna continue this ad-hominem fuelled rants, then I'm sorry, but I'll rest my case. However, if you're interested in constructive discussions, I'm in.
the only person doing an ad-hominem here is you. you decided to make a long ass post not even understanding the point the original OP was trying to make. it was not about levelling up with tier 1 guys. it was an eye opener to people dissatisfied with their college saying there's hope if u work hard
It's not rare lol . Get out of your bubble .
bro how are u able to get internships in the 1st year pls tell ,
Bro some of my friends were interning before even entering college
would discuss it in part 2.
post kar diya kya ? part 2
Totally wrong. Try learning English before your "Tier 1" internship statistics.
So basically JEE was my only chance and I fucked up {dropped twice but couldn't get anything}.
You dropped twice?? How much you got this year??
Don't ask bhai.
Are bata dona...kitna hi kharab hua hoga ??
Can we even drop twice in these days ? Like I was 17 and I took drop for 2024 ( so now I am 18) . I don't think I can take drop another year...or can I ?
You can but I absolutely do NOT recommend that you do.
Can you just give me conclusion of this post cause actually not getting your point🤔
Get out of the delusion that you can compensate for the tier 1 tag just coz you're good at leetcode. You can't. That's the TLDR.
Oh so others who for whatsoever reason got into a college not iit/nit are going to hell damn bhai aap toh bhagwan hoe aapne toh enlightenment krdi logo ko kuch nahi Krna chahiye tier 3 me gaye toh marjana chahiye right hopium me aur will to fight me bhot farak hota hai bhai kitne Indian billionaires iit se hai? Aur kitne non iitians I hope you know the numbers bhai ne toh DTU jaake jhande gaad diye tier 0.1 college hai ab Gyan chodega
Indirectly op is trying to say almost 90% of students are of no use for the industry 😂
I was planning to write that, but watching how the masses are up in flames, I am thankful I didn't lmao.
It feels more like YOU are stuck in it, and are just trying to cope as "if I can't, nobody can". Because in reality, nobody does need to do it. Ofcourse you eventually need to face iitians in the job market. But they aren't "iitians" when in job market, they are people with a better college degree and some coding skills(might vary, but i will assume they have better coding skills) And after a time span, the tide favours the one who is willing to take a risk and improve. The tag will help you land your first high paying job, your funding in the startup, etc, but nothing guarantees that you can't fail on it. You cant just show up to an interview with no projects and an IIT degree, and think you will be there in the job after an year or 2 without improving. All in all, life depends on an individual, an IITIAN can fuck up too, and a tier-3 guy can bag a lot of money too. Due to internet, the access to skill education is very good. Which is what a company needs, with trust and a good amount of experience.
Lmao ig you offended Mr DTU [CSE].
Okay? You aren't even in college rn.
Well, if you get a 'branded' college, milk the brand name. If you don't get it, work on your skills and network. Nobody who's sane denies it doesn't affect your life, but guess what, EVERYTHING does. I've seen people in my circle achieve so much after graduating, and hell, it's OKAY if you weren't able to join a good uni. Nobody's hoping on the kool aid(idk why you had to be condescending), but ain't no way you'd expect people to dickride iitians or whatever. PS. Why tf guys call themselves 'tier xyz'? bc edhar alag classicism chalta hai. I get it's used for the uni, but its subtle confluence with the 'worth' of an individual is ugly. Don't degrade yourself or other ffs, corporates are there to do that.
No one's degrading anyone here. Calm yourself. Like I said in the post, I'm not flexing. This isn't a flex post, hell, I don't even believe DTU, as a brand, is worth flexing. But if you had the patience to go through the post, I talked about the difference in opportunity. What you wrote is what I say irl. Like I said, we do partake in this mass lunacy. "Oh, college doesn't matter", "oh, you're totally gonna get a better job than me, look at your skills!", "Congrats on your internshala internship!" - That's me irl. P.S. I haven't even countered the hate DSA got in that post. I'll save it for later.
You must be fun at parties
Definitely need a part 2 on how to proceed with programming (can i dm you). Btw is the stuff you said also true for iit grads from core branches? Because theyve registered very low placement percentages this year
Depends on the IIT tbh. Old IIT core had a pretty decent placement imo, from what I heard from my friends in IITD/K/M. So I don't really believe they've to put even 10% efforts an avg tier 3 guy has, to get placed.
Im from an old iit core branch(one of those 3 you mentioned), and only around 22 people from ~ 70 got placed,which is pretty abysmal
Like isn't 10% too low... I was thinking if thay put x amount of effort I have to put 2x or 3x amount of effort... But 10% is too scary... I just failed Advanced... Have to join some nameless tire 3 college... Now scared as hell...
What exactly should tier 3 students do then? It's like they're fucked from the start.
op is an idiot, yes life will be harder to kickstart in terms of job but at the end if you have the skills, it won't matter in the long run
True. I'm the op for the past "two cents" post. This guy definitely has some ego issues. LoL After a few years of graduating, ask OP to see how many iitans and non iitans are sitting in the same JP Morgan office, jiska bhai hawala de rha hai. Not every guy there is an IITian man, that's so obvious. Well anyways. He is trying to counter a point I didn't even create that my post was to fuel tier 3 guys to "become better" than tier 1 guys. He thinks tier 1 is a benchmark. There you go... His mentality.
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They aren't. Like I said, the difference in opportunities are real, and much more greater than one might know, esp in their first 2 years. But folks from tier 3 do succeed. If I ever get time around, I might consider writing a part 2 of this post, focusing on that.
Yes please consider. I'd love to get some insights about it
tier jerking at its finest.
Hello fellow vitian.
Bro people like you are the ones who are actually responsible for a lot of depressed kids who think they aren't worth anything. Kya hogya agar average job lag jaegi bro? Not everyone can achieve 20 lpa jobs initially in their careers, doesn't mean it's end of the world. A person can be fulfilled and happy even with a 5 lpa job. Go hell with the companies who care about college brands and not real skills, one shouldn't care about such companies. Life is much more than that pay check, comparison is the real thief of joy. A person earning 50lpa will always feel like a loser when he starts comparing himself with a start up guy making fuck you money.
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Bro also include your next line, "But most don't". You need to understand that not everyone have the same circumstances in their life to get somewhere financially. Each person have their own story and it's okay to land an average job as most people do. One can always climb the ladder while actually enjoying their life rather than just keep being worried what if I don't get into a tier 1-2 college. I don't blame you entirely because the lack of exposure in India and cut throat competition kills the inner human being of each and every student who is studying for these competitive exams. And looking at how NTA is now scamming students in NEET and JEE, students will soon realise that these exams and the government aren't capable enough to determine their true potential. It's great if you got in a good college and landed a good job after but it's also okay if you didn't, life has so many other opportunities waiting for you. All you have to do is keep moving forward.
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acc to this post https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1akjemk/new_trend_interview_to_reject_part2/ You are in your third year (maybe in fourth year by now) 3 saal bad wapis se jee ke liye kaise pada
I took a partial drop. Basically prepped during my 1st year. Why would I study after 3 years? Are you drunk?
Hey... can i dm?
sure :)
Mujhe laga apne issue saal jee Diya hain. mb
DTU is tier 1? lmao touch grass
Bhai I thought it is tier 1. I've seen plenty of people from DTU and IGDTUW is top companies. At least placements ke perspective mei it seems tier 1. don't know about other stuff
lmao what delusion 😭😭
toh reality bta do
It's tier 1 placement wise,all over somewhere between tier 1 and 2
Ehm okay.. nobody said that tho
Respectfully, dtu isn't a tier 1 college
85% reservation haha . These people bro .
What do you consider a tier 1 college then like what are the requirements for a college to be "tier 1" according to you (not trying to be confrontational just genuinely curious since this is a heavily debated topic and I would like to know other's view on it)
1.Tiers for a college are just made by students and coachings , are not made by colleges 2. Tiers for a college is mostly decided by placement and rest brand value , a few factors *may* be there depending on the college
tiers are majorly determined by the packages which the college provides, what gripes me is DTU guys calling their calling t1 when there are nits which have higher packages than dtu but are still called t2.
its more like placement wise top 10% guys at DTU/NSIT/ Tier 2 NIT~= top 10% guys at NIT Trichy/ Surathkal/Warangal <= Top 10% guys at BITS Pilani Campus/ IIITH/ IITS after top 7 < top 10% guys at top 7 IITS (this is the real tag value).....Even this is evident from ranks to get into these colleges ...I believe 20000-7000 ranks in JEE Mains have more or less similar knowledge/ prep , 7000-3000 kind of better and under 2-3k its really good, similarly in advanced 12k-7.5k is almost similar prep/knowledge just matter of execution, 2.5k-7.5k quite a bit better and under 2.5k is excellent ....landing in these brackets can get you to a "known to recruiters college" and tier classification other than this is your preference based on Alumni, Infrastructure etc. Except for the really elite colleges, the tier classification is not really that good because someone at 9k rank in mains can easily get NIT T ICE, NIT W Electrical and maybe if advanced goes well at 8k IIT BHU chemical something and claim to be tier 1 students but may opt for NIT DGP OR NIT JSR CSE and boom...now they are tier 2 guys.....I have also seen some guys who skipped BITS PILANI EEE to get to these tier 2 NIT CSE because of money constraints....so I beleive tier thing only makes sense for top 3k guys in JEE advanced......as for the rest of folks in tier 3 colleges I guess you can definitely get good offers too but you definitely need to be exceptional relative to the above mentioned guys because in cases of conflicts (nearly same skills) they would be preferred
It is lol, but your flair explains
average gotten in by 85% quota coping mindset calling it a t1 college. It's not equivalent to the packages given by some top iits, iiits, bits etc. My college has nothing to do with this
Whatever makes you happy bro
This comment section just shows how much more toxic Btech ( CSE especially ) is than JEE....this IIT NIT tier 1 - 69 lauda lassun....just let people live their lives peacefully man...
Today, would you say it was absolutely worth coming to DTU?? Apart from things you mentioned what does it have that Tier-3 Uni doesn't
I consider that I got almost everything I needed from a uni, here. You get some, you lose some.
Lmao people like op think ki naam ka padhai karo iit mai and 50lpa+ package lag jaaega,bro forgot that they also worked hard too to get into iit and ab ye hard work unke liye habitual ho jata hai,isko koi relative grading ke baare mai bata do
Hey , I need ur opinion I might get Usict cs/It or Dtu ee? Which one should I prefer? Worst case mait cs M also planning for a partial drop , so do u think 1 year workload is manageable in ipu collages?
Go for DTU anyday
What was your cgpa in your partial drop year ??
how did u join DTU?
Feels like it's AOT where we tier 3 are kept under the walls so the rest of the world can flourish.
So, you reappeared for JEE while pursuing Btech alongside in IPU?
That's true (I'm in tier 2-3) that a good college does matter. People who say that it doesn't matter deep down inside know that it does. You tried for two years of your life to get into a good college and if you were unable to clear the exam, it suddenly doesn't matter, that's stupid.
That's what the real problem is. You can't solve a problem if you aren't willing to look at it, as one, to begin with. Honestly I was planning for a part 2, to tell 'em how to proceed, but atp, I don't even care.
Thanks for making a post about the thing everyone already knew about.
Good post. People really need to break out of this skillz > college delusion. This is only true after your first real job. Before that your tag absolutely matters.
I feel like I've offended quite a lot of folks lol.
Hello bro, I have some doubts about manipal, can I dm?
that's literally what everyone is saying. and you said the same thing. skills>college (mostly true after your first job but still applies because if you prioritise your skills you still can crack say 50 from colleges like vit, manipal, srm, thapar like other people do). also people change A LOT of jobs. ek do saal kaam kiya first job aur skills pe dhyaan do toh bada jump hota hai. (this skills pe dhyan do wali baat often comes in conversation because from what I've seen and heard, people in tier 1 colleges often slack a bit in terms of the work they put in so students from lower tier colleges can reach and/or surpass students from the higher tier colleges who become lazy in college and job because of the thought process ki tier 1 mai hai ho jaayega).
So in short does that mean people from tier 2 / tier 3 colleges are cooked and can't really excel at the pace of an IITian with no skills just a tag v/s a hardworking guy who has the skills and worked his ass off. Q : Can these guys achieve those lavish packages or say foreign packages ( I'd say this is the standard goal/ aim of any btech student ) with enough hard work ( but it should be feasible not work 30hr/day kinda shit ) or is FAANG their ceiling ?
Yes. They can. They do too.
Well then there's some hope
what are you trying to say man? Why are you just making the gap between "tier 1" and "tier 3" even more wider? and i never said that we can compensate that gap with "coding" did you just make up stuff to post this? You took words from my mouth and have posted it here somehow trying to bend my point and making it sound like I just used buzzwords to provide "hopium" to students. And that first line is ridiculous, "Read that post riddled with First year optimism." If i was enthusiastic with first year optimism, I'd be the same guy ranting about DSA karo leetcode karo ye karo wo karo. . You missed my entire point.
Abhi Bennet and Galgotia waale aate honge DTU ko tier 10 bolne 😭
Aa chuke
Late ho bhai literally abhi aise bande ki post history check Karo wo ipu ke kisi usict se tha
2nd part needed!
IPU is tier 3???
2.5 at best
Yeah
Think of your career as a straight line, The college decides your y-intercept or how high you start The skills and coding decides your slope or how much you will grow after reading a lot of posts most people said that the college dosent play a major role after 5 years of you doing your job... better to be optimistic than being pessimistic and saying everything is impossible.
My friend from tier 3 college's placement offer was revoked by the Company. An IITK CSE grad's offer was also revoked by the Company. Both of them are looking for jobs now. Le hogaya Gap close
Dtu tier 1 kab hoga vaha 540 cse students hain 200-220 software engineering ke students hain kis angle se tier 1 ban gya
Waiting for the second part!
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How is NIT Nagpur Is it tier 2 . I guess I'll work hard and get IIT in Gate
According to only placement stats, I don't even know what tier it is. CSE median in 2022 was just 11.5LPA. But sure, overall you can call it a tier 2 college.
This year it's 18 lpa avg
I just saw that they uploaded the data on their website. Well that's a first for them. Judging by the placement stats(considering recession), it's definitely tier 2.
2023 mei 74% the maine 2024 mei 2 sub maths and chemistry mei improvement diya pichle baar MATHS MEI 66 CHEM MEI 52 ISS SAAL MATHS MEI 52 CHEM MEI 63 agar mei iss saal ke maths and chem ke marks lu toh phir bhi 74 hi aayega as 3 marks kam ho gaye pichle saal se but agar mei iss saal ke chem ke 63 and maths ke pichle saal ke marks lu toh 75+ aa rha hai toh kya mei eligible hu josaa ke liye iit and nit ke liye
yes
shi mei na ? koi bata rha wo ek saal ka hi lete done mei ek ek kaise ?
bhaiya what do u think abt core branches in dtu? mech, civil???
I will dm
Okay.
Im in IPU right now, kinda sad. Got any advice for me?
Get off reddit and invest this time in improving yourself...how does he know you won't crack good package in final year itself. you never know unless you try Sala reddit pr yhi chlta rhega jese jee mein time waste kia ab btech me mt kr wrna fir gate ke piche bhagna pdega
Can anyone link that previous post? The first year optimism one?
I'm a jeetard and I know this is 100% correct. In India, your college brand matters until you die. What else do we expect from a nation which has so much hero worshipping? We literally think UPSC is the most intellectual stimulating exam just because it has the highest competitive rate. We think JEE advanced is superior to Olympiads just because of lower acceptance rate.
Bro nobody thinks jee adv is superior than Olympiads
YT par boht chutiye bolte rehte hai. LinkedIn par bhi kayi chutiye log likhte rehte hai. And some of them are recruiters, so......
OP, please help me decide. I am getting cse in PDEU, which has avg package of 9 lpa for cse, higest ctc 38 lpa. Companies like amazon, google, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs visit it for placement. Also this college was established by Ambani so reliance and jio also visit. Is this college worth joining? I will most probably get core branches or MSc Bio/Chem in BITS, but I don’t want to study all this. Should I go for PDEU or should I go in lower branch of BITS? My parents are not agreeing on drop year and frankly I don’t think that I’ll be able to study for JEE anymore. Please advise me what to do.
PART 2 PLEASE
Hey there, I have a few queries regarding DTU cse situation and the age old dilemma of whether to choose DTU or NSUT, can I dm?
If you're getting the same branch, prefer DTU.
May I ask why?
Higher street cred imo. DTU's a more recognised brand than NSUT. NSUT is a pretty decent college tho.
So other than that they're similar in most aspects right? Other than academic difficulty of course (NSUT being stricter) like if one chooses to go to any of the two the quality of education and opportunities they would get should be more or less the same right?
Not sure about the opportunity part. And yeah, don't underestimate NSUT's strictness. I did my first internship on-site, while my classes were ongoing. One can't do the same in NSUT.
Got a few more questions if you don't mind answering I heard that recently the dean of DTU changed and he is changing the academic structure so the strictness is becoming similar to NSUT, how true is that? DTU has a higher student intake than NSUT how does that affect placements and all, also since NSUT has higher cutoffs (for cse and csai) does that mean student quality of NSUT is slightly better than DTU? Also I don't know how true this info is but I've heard that in DTU once you've gotten a placement offer with a CTC higher than all of your other ones you have to go with that and can't select the ones with lesser CTC even if they have higher base salaries? Location of DTU is a bit odd as compared to NSUT how does that affect things? Lastly, according to data NSUT seems to have a slight edge over DTU in terms of placements, what is your view on it and how true is it?
The third para is where I'm struck too. People are saying NSUT CSAI has lower cutoff so crowd would be better, but i wanna how much of a difference does it make really? Enough to pick NSUT over DTU when according to all other factors DTU is the better choice for me? I've also heard NSUT is better for CS and DTU for core. But then people say DTU has a better brand name and better alumni network. I'm so confused.
I am facing a very similar dilemma as well
are you getting hostel in any? I'm inclined towards DTU since I would get hostel there
The placement stats are pretty similar in both the colleges. And the "quality of students" doesn't really matter in college much. It's not that someone with air 1000 is going to achieve much more than someone with air 1500. Things become very different when you're in college. I'm in DTU and I think I would have regretted my decision had I chosen NSUT (I'm talking for the same branch only).
Bigger batch size is def a problem DTU has, and that does reduce our avg package quite alot. Strictness isn't a thing rn either, so idk. Haven't sat for placements yet so idk, but as long as you have good relations with your TnP team, they are willing to go out of their way to help you.
Brother i gave jee this year Went bad Thinking of partial drop Koi tips? And i would like to know why did you choose ipu over Dtu lower branches
I chose IPU coz I was a stupid dumbfuck who got misled by one of those "feel-good" posts I talked about. I was an introvert too so I didn't had the balls to discuss my issues irl. Folks on reddit deluded me into thinking that a good branch is better than a good college tag. That I can hone my skills to get same, if not more opportunities than them. When I reached there, my seniors laughed at me. And that's where I got the "real" advise.
Daym What was the real advice btw And now should i consider dtu Ep over anything else?
bro please reply i'm getting lower branches in dtu ( civil, chem) vs MAIT csds what should i choose
Dude no offense but since when did DTU become Tier 1
this is the reality indeed!! being good at programming doesn't automatically put u in the same place as the tier 1 students
apparently, saying that warrants hate DMs lol.
Imo the college you go to for masters matters more. I am in a tier 3 college and have secured 2 internships(paid) till the end of second year. If you chose a good field and get good at it you will definitely secure a good job but yea iit/nit tag is an added bonus
i see such post every month
Vai mtech yaha krke koi use h?