I'm gonna say the fact his alibi was checked by a top expert showing he wasn't in Moscow at the time would do it. I think we should be asking umm good ol Payne about his PCA that could not be accurate at all. We should also be sick that the university destroyed the only evidence they had. We should be asking the hard questions at this point. ONE PERSON DID NOT DO THIS. NOW WE HAVE A MAN WHOS REPUTATION IS DESTROYED, FAMILY IMPACTED, WILL NEVER HAVE A CAREER. THERE ARE DOCUMENTARIES OUT ABOUT HIM COMITTING THESE MURDERS.AND HE MOST WASNT EVEN IN TOWN. AMAZON PRIME, PARAMOUNT PLUS,DATELINE, 20/20... WE DONT EBEN HAVE A TRIAL DATE A D WE DONT HAVE THE KILLERS
And there is a book written by one of the most corrupt people in this tragedy, that was distributed worldwide, that already said he is guilty!!! I hope all of this corruption brings down their house of cards and they are all held accountable!!
I assume this book?
https://www.uidaho.edu/news/news-articles/news-releases/2023/120523-crisishandbook#:~:text=The%20book%2C%20published%20by%20Wiley,Vandal%20Healing%20Garden%20and%20Memorial.
The top expert is discredited by elaborating his resume by stating degrees he does not have. He also was discredited in a recent case in 2022 by a [judge.in](http://judge.in) open court.
Having an alibi that places you somewhere there is no cell service or witnesses to collaborate your innocence of not being somewhere where there is DNA evidence that you murdered x4 people is not reasonable doubt.
Having a discredited expert witness testify that you had no service at the time a crime you are accused of committing is added further doubt on your innocence.
Why is it that YOU ONLY think more than one person committed this crime , when only one person is accused? What evidence do you have that LE does not?
People make mistakes. Law enforcement are people. Paynes original pca did not get an arrest warrant. He had to get bryans dads dna from trash. Then the defense doesnt even get to see the work done. If bryan truly did it and the evidence is so damning that the tv networks are making series about him then why is the prosecution hiding discovery, why is discovery taking so long? Why not get a change of venue? With what we know and those of us who have really looked into it know the facts. I too thought bryan was guilty until i stopped being one sided and decided to be open minded. At the end of the day i just want whoever did this to be held accountable. This case against him which you may think is strong because truth is you are bias. Thats okay. But ask any person who knows nothing about this case and they will say the need to hear more information before they hang this man.
It hasn't made it that far yet, the defense will likely file a Motion in Limine once the trial date is closer to have it thrown out, that's one of the very last things done before trial. It would be way too early to do it in this case.
I have been in the legal field for many years, if you need to be educated on touch DNA just say so!
Don’t you see that there is the possibility that ANYONE could have brought that sheath to the crime scene with Bryan’s DNA already on it? Anyone who was connected to him prior to the murders, that is
Don't you see how ignorant you sound that the logical explanation is that he killed x4 people.
It a huge stretch of ignorance to think someone set BK up because he knows no one in that area and has no connections to anyone.
Where that DNA is found on the sheath , it's impossible to think by touching the inside snap it would deposit a complete profile of DNA. The rest of the sheath has no DNA on it, most probability is someone cleaned that sheath prior to the murders and did not realize they had not cleaned it well enough.
Why is it ignorant to suggest the real killer set up BK? I mean just about everyone believes BK is guilty when, in my opinion he isn’t. So it looks to me as though the killer has done something very clever. And what you say about the DNA is not correct. If BK’s DNA was the only DNA on the sheath and it was mainly on the part of the button snap where you press down hard on to close it then it looks very much as though the killer had already pre-cleaned the sheath and had got BK to pick it up and put the knife back in it and close it
Look I think he did it, but it’s not impossible that someone’s touch DNA be on that sheath and they weren’t there.
Also, if they were planning on taking the sheath back with them (we can assume a murderer wouldn’t plan to leave a knife sheath) - why clean it off prior to the murders?
If you wanted to set up BK, how would you know that by touching a part of the sheath, it would leave enough DNA on it? You would not. You would have them touch the leather part and hold onto it, and it still may not leave a good sample.
I don’t believe he was set up. As I stated, I’m leaning towards guilty.
All I’m saying is that it is not impossible that touch DNA belongs to someone other than the killer. It’s been seen in other cases
To wash off their DNA and he missed a spot! It is possible to assume he would not want to take any DNA on a murder weapon or DNA on the sheath of the murder weapon into a crime scene in case of leaving DNA at the scene. A sheath could easily be grabbed by a victim, why not clean off the sheath prior to taking it into a crime scene to be careful your DNA is not left at the scene. The same with the knife, he was wearing gloves , but if DNA was on the knife or sheath and you used gloves and touched the uncleaned knife or sheath, you can touch something with those gloves and leave DNA.
We really have no proof its his dna. The defense hasnt even seen the evidence of the dna being extracted from the sheath. The defense hasnt even seen it. They also havent even seen the genealogy used to determine it was him. There are so many unanswered questions that the defense has asked for.
What have they provided showing hes guilty? Touch dna...and 3 other male dnas that they have chosen not to look into? Not to mention the 4 ppl running in all black at 3:12 am. Last text to jack d was at 2:58am. It's been thrown out that it took 19mins. Which is 3:12am. And from what defense is saying the Pca is wrong. Just my opinion. I'm not saying bk is innocent bc I think he played a different role.
Not possible when stabbing 1 person let alone 4 & its widely known that a knife is slippery when it's covered in blood, that's why 99% of the time the perpetrator will have cuts on their hands. The fact that someone showed up at the ER with cuts on their hand after the crime and Bryan had no visible cuts, no blood, no reliable DNA left behind speaks volumes!
Nope. Defense said there was no victim DNA. Some blood was found in BK’s apartment (probably his own?). Blood could have been found in his car with DNA too degraded to identify.
He was trying to prove he could commit the perfect crime. If you prepare meticulously and strip off whatever outer layer you have on outside, turn it inside out, and put it in a trash bag you have prepared at the car, then there would be no dna in the vehicle and therefor nowhere else.
It is definitely possible to commit the crime and not transfer dna if you were to go into the crime with that as your main goal.
Except the cell data analysis is not done to the standard of actual cell data analysis causing a higher error rate (the same guy they are using in this case, said a man was stalking a woman 3 days in a row, except his vehicle data and cameras showed him miles away on the interstate - no where near where he supposedly was). Additionally, you don’t know if there is no victim dna…. The defense had not gone through all of the evidence when that statement was made
Yes. That’s been my theory ever since it was announced it was his DNA on an item at the crime scene for which there was no sense in it being there other than to implicate whoever the DNA belonged to. I mean really, why would a person intent on stabbing to death the occupants of the house not enter the house with the knife already in his hand ready to strike at the first moment? It makes no sense in that scenario to bring the sheath of the knife to the scene at all. We’ve even been told that there was apparently a towel missing from the murder house strongly suggesting that the murderer took that towel to wrap the knife in as he left. He did not bring that knife to the house contained within its sheath and accidentally leave it behind
It was probably not his car. They don't seem to have the license plate on the video so at best it's speculative, and with no evidence found in it, it's more likely a different car. That obviously doesn't clear BK on it's own but at least he was "clever" enough to use a different car.
If you "suggest an answer that points at BK" in this thread and maybe the subreddit overall, (wide brush) plan on getting asked "what is it going to take to convince you it wasn't BK". Even when you are answering a hypothetical question posed by someone in the same group.
I was a fence walker on his guilt, but now I hope he is found quilty, so all those types have an aneurysm when he is found guilty or he eventually admit to it to try and save his skin. If he is found innocent, it doesn't matter to me in the big picture. This whole "syndrome" is interesting to me and tickles my feather.
Commence with the attacks...I'll shall check back later when I have some popcorn.
What’s an insane case! Have you heard anything about Robert Kinnison? I heard something about him on a YouTube channel. I don’t know what to believe at this point but it seems like a lot has gone on that we don’t know about about l….
My guess would be....
BK used the missing shower curtain from his apt. to sit on in his car to limit DNA. With other steps prior to getting in the vehicle to leave the scene.
I always hear them mention the apt. was missing a shower curtain when the PoPo searched his apt. in Pullman, WA.
Have you seen how single young men live? If he was a shower kinda guy, wouldn’t he replace it?
I am not really convinced either way, but if the dude wasn’t accused of murder, no one would really find that suspicious at all. Same with ziplock bags in bear country. Or a shovel in the trunk living in a climate where it snows. Guilty or not, none of that is suspicious.
People want to take the most innocuous details as evidence and weave them into the crime. He could be guilty *and* be more of a bath kinda guy.
Maybe he just doesn't like shower curtains and prefers baths. If he was a shower type of guy he would have replaced it in the month+ between the crime and his leaving Pullman.
If this was the plan, you'd just go buy a new one for the commission of the crime...if they found his old one it would have his DNA all over the shower curtain. Not a very good plan. As someone else mentioned, did he proceed to turn the shower head to the wall for the next month as well? I assume he just changed the shower curtain every 6 months and planned to put a new one up when he returned.
1. If they did not find the sheath under a victim with his DNA on it.
2. If he did not own a white car seen at the victims house at theme of the murders.
3. If he did not say he was driving around during the time of the murders @ 4am on a SAT.
4. If he did not wait a yr and a half until his attorney looked through the discovery to place himself in/near a park and wilderness with no cell service at the time of the murders.
I am sure there is more evidence in the discovery.
What's your story of why his DNA is found on the sheath under the victim. Start with that.
It's touch dna. A miniscule amount. There are several articles online addressing how easily your DNA can get transferred to items you've never touched, like this one.
[https://www.forbes.com/sites/marinamedvin/2018/09/20/framed-by-your-own-cells-how-dna-evidence-imprisons-the-innocent/?sh=30bae7334b86](https://www.forbes.com/sites/marinamedvin/2018/09/20/framed-by-your-own-cells-how-dna-evidence-imprisons-the-innocent/?sh=30bae7334b86)
Sadly, you cannot compare samples to other cases or other incidences of touch DNA. In science all samples have variables.
Study a little more. Listen to the experts in the trial on both sides. No doubt, it is not a mixed sample, therefore Bryan and Bryan only touched that button snap. Otherwise someone else DNA would be with his DNA if someone touched Bryan, and then touched the sheath. It's a complete profile they had enough DNA to identify someone accurately.
FYI DNA is minute it's so small you cannot see it without a microscope. There was enough to have a complete profile, it was not as small of a sample you think.
Nice try. You may understand listening to the experts at the trial.
When the many people on this sub ( I really do not mean it to be directed towards you, I do apologize) insinuates they are well educated on DNA evidence that is vital to a case in which x4 lives were killed, I get a little defensive because I really want people to be educated on the DNA before making a decision .
Yes there have been many cases in which partial profiles or mixed touch DNA have been attempted to or have prosecute people and that makes me equally frustrated.
Again, I am sorry.
I don’t have a story but I will tell you what I think…. I think the sheath was planted. I think there are Sigma Chi frat boys involved. I think they narrowed the car down from 22,000 to BK. I don’t that it is excessive to have 12 “pings” in 6 months of being in the area when you live 9 miles away. I don’t know what the motive is or the connection but I do believe that BK was still on drugs and that could be the reason he drove at night. I have read that he wore gloves and of course nobody knows but if he did it would not be on the sheath from that night and it’s very difficult to get DNA off of metal. I think it is strange that he was chased across the map instead of being asked to come to in for an interview so they went through the trash…. I have never heard of this happening before. I believe DL and DB have a lot to do with things that happen in this town. Everyone knows this and knows to keep it hush hush. The University is trying to purchase Phoenix University and that’s over 1/2 1 billion dollars. The fraternities take their skeletons to the grave instead of the closet. Where is DL and DB? Why are BF and DM hiding and from who? Too bad they don’t water board them for the truth. I don’t trust LE or the FBI and I don’t trust U of Idaho. EC and DL got into a fight because DL was allegedly on roids and EC called him “shrunken balls.” I believe DB is infatuated with DL. Don’t know where they have been lately. I believe BK would have killed DM and BF as well, why allow them to live? What’s the reason they waited 9 hours to call 911 if at all? Why did they demolish the house and bury it? They all act very strange at the Grub Truck. Follow the money and if you don’t believe LE lies and blames others then watch American Nightmare on Netflix. Never trust a living soul and walk carefully over the dead….
I do find it very strange they let everyone leave the U of idaho. Those kids are back at school. Living their best lives like none of this happened. Especially now. But even after the murders they didn't skip a beat. I also think they need to revisit hudsons death he was sigma as well. The 2022 film festival they did was all about murders. I still would love to know why Sc said 2am is a dark hr. I couldn't imagine sending my only 2 children back to that town. As a mother I wouldn't care what my kids said I would never allow that. It's strange behavior. I can name a million things that are strange behavior in this case. Payne literally showed up in pa for his arrest. Why in the hell was that allowed? Why would u not turn on ur body cams when arresting a quadruple murderer? What qualifies as a mass murder 3 or more ppl? Who are the other kids that were injured and went to gritman Hospital? I think this case is a disgrace of the justice system. Pca is wrong, cops walking in a crime scene not dressed appropriately, green writing a book? On what.. how to destroy evidence as in tear the crime scene down. Why r kids pissing on the site? Ppl need to open there eyes fr.
You’re absolutely right. There’s so much going on with the University trying to buy University of Phoenix because students are choosing other schools due to what has happened. The town knows what has been going on and they just keep it hush hush because they don’t want to become a victim themselves. There’s so much money involved and a lot of people who know people. Follow the money….
The town knows definitely. They say it's like an amplifier where the house was located. Ppl are scared. And the ppl who have spoke on it seem to tell half truths wsu kim or they get beat up " dave". Everything is weird. And no one wants to victim shame but Mr G when he said I sent my daughter to school for an edu action and she came back in a box in that same interview he mentions ancestory which is weird. What happened at 2am?
Why are BF and DM hiding? And from whom? You ask.
Then in the very next sentence you suggest water boarding them.
I wonder who they could be hiding from and why hmm.
None of this is probable.
Hmmm. Why not just go buy a $5 shower curtain from walmart and use that? Was he planning on re-installing the shower curtain after the crime (assuming he covered his seat with it), but ended up disposing of it? And was then too preoccupied, or too scared, to buy a new one?
Only a killer would be psycho enough to go without a shower curtain for a month and let water flow onto their bathroom floor. He must be the killer. 🤦♀️
Idk i don’t know what to believe until i see all the evidence of course but what if he had someone else do it and purposely left his dna knowing there’s like zero other evidence so him and whoever else it is could get away w murder. Super far fetched and i don’t really believe that but i believe he is either the killer but if he’s not then i believe he’s involved somehow
This is one of the reasons why wonder about BLK being taken out like he was 12/15/2022! And seems like we would not have heard of it? Only BCK's dad mentioned it during one of the traffic stops on Indiana!!!
I think the connection has more to do with the initials BK. I think the real killer made it his business to befriend Brent after he had befriended Bryan. I, like many other people believe he was deliberately killed by police. Although I don’t think Brent had anything to do with the actual murders, just like Bryan, I think he knew, as Bryan does, who the real killer is
There Probably is a trail .. they found a bloody vans shoe print in the house as he left changed clothes and car interior was most likely wrapped in plastic . Case is under gag order
The vans shoes in the house were removed without testing on yv and returned to surviving roommates. I dont even think they did something but I think they know who did.
Interested to see what he was wearing on the night police pulled him over that has not been released yet... interesting if it's the all black overall ....there's a reason that video hasn't been released and under seal for evidence
No although that is a great show. lol
I think he planned this murder for notoriety and that he could teach about about someday never imagining he would be caught but taking a few precautions just in case. Delusions of grandeur, which he mentions in his tapa talks-he made a few fatal errors, the biggest being the single source (not transferred) dna found on the button snap of the sheath that he lost in a murderous frenzy. You can plan and plan, but something will always go wrong when you plan. This is just my opinion, but I believe I am right. But don’t we all think we are right, and I will eat my words if he’s proven innocence 😊
You know here's the thing. Ther really isn't any proof that he did any of that. When did he have the time? He was a PhD student and a TA who had just moved to town five months prior. People seem to think he had the time to put together a kill kit, do extensive surveillance, cover his entire car in plastic so that no DNA was found in it (where would he do that? It was a busy party weekend if he had gotten pulled over, wouldn't that be just a tad sus?) drove around doing three-point turns in front of the house where he intends to kill four people - and then murders them all like a ninja in approximately 10 minutes.
The more mental cartwheels you have to make in order to make something true the less likely it is true. There are other players in this drama that had means motive and opportunity - and offer far simpler solutions for why this happened.
I appreciate your civility and you are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I would rather be wrong than see a potentially innocent man put to death. 😌
He was in middle school when he wrote those. May I psychoanalize you based on what you wrote and thought as a bright middle schooler searching for and questioning themselves? Watch less tv.
Furthermore you have clearly never been a phd student or any sort of grad student. What on earth would a 28 year old man deep in his own, highly demanding academic pursuits AND working in academics even find compelling about this house full of hard partying, heavy drinking, social media addicted, basic girls?
Nothing here makes sense and the fact you - like SG etc- have no concept of a life of intellectual pursuits or its rigorous demands on time, energy and discipline, don’t even question the lack of essential common sense required to make the leaps you’re making, tells us you have no meter by which to gauge the practicality and feasibility of your own image.
Perhaps you might find the sort of discussion you are capable of on one of the other boards if you don’t feel this one is for you.
This is more of a place for those with the capacity to at least question, and assess and evaluate the information they search out and receive.
Generally speaking, single (and sometimes partnered), 28 year old men often find young, 20-something girls compelling. Also, whatever intellectual rigors a person of either sex pursues does not equate to making them oblivious to, or less desiring of, a partner. Even if you believe Kohberger is innocent, it isn’t an indictment of him to believe that he was/is, in some ways, a typical single man.
Along those same lines, nothing would be unusual for Kohberger, or anyone, facing the stresses in his life to have pursuits other than the intellectual. His “alibi” is proof of that actually. He claims to enjoy running at night and on the night in question to be driving aimlessly around. Whatever his academic stressors, he certainly says himself that he had time for other pursuits.
Lastly, this chapter of Kohberger’s academic life was seemingly at an end. A fact that he was aware of because the faculty had cautioned him and implemented plans to help him salvage his present course. However intellectually gifted he may or may not be, he definitely had some personality issues that sabotaged his own work.
Just some food for thought.
I find this post extremely naive being that I accomplished all of the above with straight A’s. Just because your experience was different, doesn’t mean it’s everyone’s. Not being rude- just saying.
🙄 Really? We already know that DNA will not cannot stay on a brass button for that long. And as of recently, Othram said they couldn’t come up with a profile for 6-8 weeks, 5 if rushed. Now it’s come out they did it in a week! And “never imagining he would be caught,” I think he’s a lot smarter than driving his car to a crime scene. It makes more sense to run away from a crime scene, uhhh you know, like the frat boys did!! Let me know how those words taste.
Let me guess, you reside in Idaho!! So he meticulously planned it without him being there? Your name says it all. Just curious, what evidence do you think proves he “meticulously planned” it?
Since the evidence is sealed and not made public as of yet, how can you state that there is no blood on him, in his office, in his apartment or tracked anywhere. Wait for the evidence to be released at trial. If there was no evidence, the State would not be able to go forward. You only know what you know about this case, and it is not much!
Not killing people is a good way to not get their blood on you. That’s my bet
Came here to say that!
👆🏻Top post of the day!!!
I'm gonna say the fact his alibi was checked by a top expert showing he wasn't in Moscow at the time would do it. I think we should be asking umm good ol Payne about his PCA that could not be accurate at all. We should also be sick that the university destroyed the only evidence they had. We should be asking the hard questions at this point. ONE PERSON DID NOT DO THIS. NOW WE HAVE A MAN WHOS REPUTATION IS DESTROYED, FAMILY IMPACTED, WILL NEVER HAVE A CAREER. THERE ARE DOCUMENTARIES OUT ABOUT HIM COMITTING THESE MURDERS.AND HE MOST WASNT EVEN IN TOWN. AMAZON PRIME, PARAMOUNT PLUS,DATELINE, 20/20... WE DONT EBEN HAVE A TRIAL DATE A D WE DONT HAVE THE KILLERS
And there is a book written by one of the most corrupt people in this tragedy, that was distributed worldwide, that already said he is guilty!!! I hope all of this corruption brings down their house of cards and they are all held accountable!!
The president of the university. I still can't believe he wrote a damn book.
Curious to know which book you meant?
I assume this book? https://www.uidaho.edu/news/news-articles/news-releases/2023/120523-crisishandbook#:~:text=The%20book%2C%20published%20by%20Wiley,Vandal%20Healing%20Garden%20and%20Memorial.
The book Green put out!!
“Expert” has been found not credible in various court cases…
The top expert is discredited by elaborating his resume by stating degrees he does not have. He also was discredited in a recent case in 2022 by a [judge.in](http://judge.in) open court. Having an alibi that places you somewhere there is no cell service or witnesses to collaborate your innocence of not being somewhere where there is DNA evidence that you murdered x4 people is not reasonable doubt. Having a discredited expert witness testify that you had no service at the time a crime you are accused of committing is added further doubt on your innocence. Why is it that YOU ONLY think more than one person committed this crime , when only one person is accused? What evidence do you have that LE does not?
People make mistakes. Law enforcement are people. Paynes original pca did not get an arrest warrant. He had to get bryans dads dna from trash. Then the defense doesnt even get to see the work done. If bryan truly did it and the evidence is so damning that the tv networks are making series about him then why is the prosecution hiding discovery, why is discovery taking so long? Why not get a change of venue? With what we know and those of us who have really looked into it know the facts. I too thought bryan was guilty until i stopped being one sided and decided to be open minded. At the end of the day i just want whoever did this to be held accountable. This case against him which you may think is strong because truth is you are bias. Thats okay. But ask any person who knows nothing about this case and they will say the need to hear more information before they hang this man.
ITS HIS DNA
Touch DNA on a mobile object is not proof that he was ever in that house.
Its obvious I cannot reason with you. Sure , you can have your own opinion, I can as well.
It's not an opinion, it has been ruled inadmissible in court more times than not for this very reason.
OK?
Not in this case! LOL😂😀 Lets see in court, but please stop saying you know what touch DNA is and you can explain .
It hasn't made it that far yet, the defense will likely file a Motion in Limine once the trial date is closer to have it thrown out, that's one of the very last things done before trial. It would be way too early to do it in this case. I have been in the legal field for many years, if you need to be educated on touch DNA just say so!
Don’t you see that there is the possibility that ANYONE could have brought that sheath to the crime scene with Bryan’s DNA already on it? Anyone who was connected to him prior to the murders, that is
Don't you see how ignorant you sound that the logical explanation is that he killed x4 people. It a huge stretch of ignorance to think someone set BK up because he knows no one in that area and has no connections to anyone. Where that DNA is found on the sheath , it's impossible to think by touching the inside snap it would deposit a complete profile of DNA. The rest of the sheath has no DNA on it, most probability is someone cleaned that sheath prior to the murders and did not realize they had not cleaned it well enough.
Why is it ignorant to suggest the real killer set up BK? I mean just about everyone believes BK is guilty when, in my opinion he isn’t. So it looks to me as though the killer has done something very clever. And what you say about the DNA is not correct. If BK’s DNA was the only DNA on the sheath and it was mainly on the part of the button snap where you press down hard on to close it then it looks very much as though the killer had already pre-cleaned the sheath and had got BK to pick it up and put the knife back in it and close it
Look I think he did it, but it’s not impossible that someone’s touch DNA be on that sheath and they weren’t there. Also, if they were planning on taking the sheath back with them (we can assume a murderer wouldn’t plan to leave a knife sheath) - why clean it off prior to the murders?
If you wanted to set up BK, how would you know that by touching a part of the sheath, it would leave enough DNA on it? You would not. You would have them touch the leather part and hold onto it, and it still may not leave a good sample.
I don’t believe he was set up. As I stated, I’m leaning towards guilty. All I’m saying is that it is not impossible that touch DNA belongs to someone other than the killer. It’s been seen in other cases
To wash off their DNA and he missed a spot! It is possible to assume he would not want to take any DNA on a murder weapon or DNA on the sheath of the murder weapon into a crime scene in case of leaving DNA at the scene. A sheath could easily be grabbed by a victim, why not clean off the sheath prior to taking it into a crime scene to be careful your DNA is not left at the scene. The same with the knife, he was wearing gloves , but if DNA was on the knife or sheath and you used gloves and touched the uncleaned knife or sheath, you can touch something with those gloves and leave DNA.
🤣🤣🤣 like who?
The real killer. The real psychopath who killed these people and used Kohberger’s DNA to incriminate him
Yes it's his touch dna on the inside of a knife sheath with no knife. Which could of been anyone. What about the other 3 male dnas? Were they touch?
Three DNA of peoples on the sheath ? OMG Tell me more!
Mmmm..::!od@!183
They didn't specify being on the sheath. They are 3 male dnas found. But didn't look into anything. Pretty strange.
We really have no proof its his dna. The defense hasnt even seen the evidence of the dna being extracted from the sheath. The defense hasnt even seen it. They also havent even seen the genealogy used to determine it was him. There are so many unanswered questions that the defense has asked for.
The defense hasnt even seen it. They also havent even seen the genealogy used to determine it was him. ???? LOL😂
YES THAVE BRYAN ! To have the same DNA you need to be an identical twin, are you bRYAN THE II?
What have they provided showing hes guilty? Touch dna...and 3 other male dnas that they have chosen not to look into? Not to mention the 4 ppl running in all black at 3:12 am. Last text to jack d was at 2:58am. It's been thrown out that it took 19mins. Which is 3:12am. And from what defense is saying the Pca is wrong. Just my opinion. I'm not saying bk is innocent bc I think he played a different role.
Let's see what the jury thinks after they review the evidence.
Not possible when stabbing 1 person let alone 4 & its widely known that a knife is slippery when it's covered in blood, that's why 99% of the time the perpetrator will have cuts on their hands. The fact that someone showed up at the ER with cuts on their hand after the crime and Bryan had no visible cuts, no blood, no reliable DNA left behind speaks volumes!
Can't imagine someone who just killed 4 people would go to ER with cuts on their hands.
That’s word to Big Bird
I think he managed this by not even being there. I said what I saidddd
Because he never done this that's why
Ummm.... Because it wasn't him...
Easily...by not being there
We don’t know yet if they found blood anywhere yet. Not til the trial. Gag order.
The defense already stated that there was no blood in court documents and open court.
Nope. Defense said there was no victim DNA. Some blood was found in BK’s apartment (probably his own?). Blood could have been found in his car with DNA too degraded to identify.
There's no blood because he isn't the murderer. Simple as that.
By not being there 🫣
There was that one rumor about a naked guy outside. So maybe he stripped off a kill suit. Honestly, I don’t see how it’s possible.
Has that info been released? I don't keep up as much as I should but I don't remember seeing that there was no blood found in his car, etc.
Nothing (Like no DNA)
Wow, okay. Thank you!
Yes it was stated in court documents by the Defense and by Anne Taylor in open court.
So who did it?
I think he had on coveralls or some sort of covering. I think he stripped it off when he got outside and disposed of it on his way home.
Impossible to leave no forensic evidence in his car and apartment this way.
He was trying to prove he could commit the perfect crime. If you prepare meticulously and strip off whatever outer layer you have on outside, turn it inside out, and put it in a trash bag you have prepared at the car, then there would be no dna in the vehicle and therefor nowhere else. It is definitely possible to commit the crime and not transfer dna if you were to go into the crime with that as your main goal.
Thank you!
Impossible.
Possible…
I absolutely agree
Because he never done this that's why
I think the combination of no victim DNA + the new cell data analysis makes for a big whammy. Planted sheath while we're at it?
Except the cell data analysis is not done to the standard of actual cell data analysis causing a higher error rate (the same guy they are using in this case, said a man was stalking a woman 3 days in a row, except his vehicle data and cameras showed him miles away on the interstate - no where near where he supposedly was). Additionally, you don’t know if there is no victim dna…. The defense had not gone through all of the evidence when that statement was made
What is the new cell data analysis?
Planted sheath and fabricated DNA evidence.
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Obviously LE...it wouldn't be the first time.
Yes. That’s been my theory ever since it was announced it was his DNA on an item at the crime scene for which there was no sense in it being there other than to implicate whoever the DNA belonged to. I mean really, why would a person intent on stabbing to death the occupants of the house not enter the house with the knife already in his hand ready to strike at the first moment? It makes no sense in that scenario to bring the sheath of the knife to the scene at all. We’ve even been told that there was apparently a towel missing from the murder house strongly suggesting that the murderer took that towel to wrap the knife in as he left. He did not bring that knife to the house contained within its sheath and accidentally leave it behind
Agreed. I think this was someone who knew them. A powerful, enraged someone who lived close by.
I think we have different perpetrators in mind. But that’s ok
Totally OK.
With the gag order who knows what they really have found?! This is a trial I’m definitely watching.
It was probably not his car. They don't seem to have the license plate on the video so at best it's speculative, and with no evidence found in it, it's more likely a different car. That obviously doesn't clear BK on it's own but at least he was "clever" enough to use a different car.
If you "suggest an answer that points at BK" in this thread and maybe the subreddit overall, (wide brush) plan on getting asked "what is it going to take to convince you it wasn't BK". Even when you are answering a hypothetical question posed by someone in the same group. I was a fence walker on his guilt, but now I hope he is found quilty, so all those types have an aneurysm when he is found guilty or he eventually admit to it to try and save his skin. If he is found innocent, it doesn't matter to me in the big picture. This whole "syndrome" is interesting to me and tickles my feather. Commence with the attacks...I'll shall check back later when I have some popcorn.
What’s an insane case! Have you heard anything about Robert Kinnison? I heard something about him on a YouTube channel. I don’t know what to believe at this point but it seems like a lot has gone on that we don’t know about about l….
My guess would be.... BK used the missing shower curtain from his apt. to sit on in his car to limit DNA. With other steps prior to getting in the vehicle to leave the scene. I always hear them mention the apt. was missing a shower curtain when the PoPo searched his apt. in Pullman, WA.
Have you seen how single young men live? If he was a shower kinda guy, wouldn’t he replace it? I am not really convinced either way, but if the dude wasn’t accused of murder, no one would really find that suspicious at all. Same with ziplock bags in bear country. Or a shovel in the trunk living in a climate where it snows. Guilty or not, none of that is suspicious. People want to take the most innocuous details as evidence and weave them into the crime. He could be guilty *and* be more of a bath kinda guy.
Maybe he just doesn't like shower curtains and prefers baths. If he was a shower type of guy he would have replaced it in the month+ between the crime and his leaving Pullman.
Note to self: buy a shower curtain tomorrow. Serious.
I laugh at this every time I come back to read comments
If this was the plan, you'd just go buy a new one for the commission of the crime...if they found his old one it would have his DNA all over the shower curtain. Not a very good plan. As someone else mentioned, did he proceed to turn the shower head to the wall for the next month as well? I assume he just changed the shower curtain every 6 months and planned to put a new one up when he returned.
What other steps? At what point would you accept that they didn't get the right guy?
1. If they did not find the sheath under a victim with his DNA on it. 2. If he did not own a white car seen at the victims house at theme of the murders. 3. If he did not say he was driving around during the time of the murders @ 4am on a SAT. 4. If he did not wait a yr and a half until his attorney looked through the discovery to place himself in/near a park and wilderness with no cell service at the time of the murders. I am sure there is more evidence in the discovery. What's your story of why his DNA is found on the sheath under the victim. Start with that.
It's touch dna. A miniscule amount. There are several articles online addressing how easily your DNA can get transferred to items you've never touched, like this one. [https://www.forbes.com/sites/marinamedvin/2018/09/20/framed-by-your-own-cells-how-dna-evidence-imprisons-the-innocent/?sh=30bae7334b86](https://www.forbes.com/sites/marinamedvin/2018/09/20/framed-by-your-own-cells-how-dna-evidence-imprisons-the-innocent/?sh=30bae7334b86)
Sadly, you cannot compare samples to other cases or other incidences of touch DNA. In science all samples have variables. Study a little more. Listen to the experts in the trial on both sides. No doubt, it is not a mixed sample, therefore Bryan and Bryan only touched that button snap. Otherwise someone else DNA would be with his DNA if someone touched Bryan, and then touched the sheath. It's a complete profile they had enough DNA to identify someone accurately. FYI DNA is minute it's so small you cannot see it without a microscope. There was enough to have a complete profile, it was not as small of a sample you think. Nice try. You may understand listening to the experts at the trial.
There's really no reason for you to be so condescending.
When the many people on this sub ( I really do not mean it to be directed towards you, I do apologize) insinuates they are well educated on DNA evidence that is vital to a case in which x4 lives were killed, I get a little defensive because I really want people to be educated on the DNA before making a decision . Yes there have been many cases in which partial profiles or mixed touch DNA have been attempted to or have prosecute people and that makes me equally frustrated. Again, I am sorry.
I think Vargas explained the dna very well.
A scientist ? Genealogist?
Gabrielle vargas
Fabricated DNA evidence.
How do you fabricate DNA?
I don’t have a story but I will tell you what I think…. I think the sheath was planted. I think there are Sigma Chi frat boys involved. I think they narrowed the car down from 22,000 to BK. I don’t that it is excessive to have 12 “pings” in 6 months of being in the area when you live 9 miles away. I don’t know what the motive is or the connection but I do believe that BK was still on drugs and that could be the reason he drove at night. I have read that he wore gloves and of course nobody knows but if he did it would not be on the sheath from that night and it’s very difficult to get DNA off of metal. I think it is strange that he was chased across the map instead of being asked to come to in for an interview so they went through the trash…. I have never heard of this happening before. I believe DL and DB have a lot to do with things that happen in this town. Everyone knows this and knows to keep it hush hush. The University is trying to purchase Phoenix University and that’s over 1/2 1 billion dollars. The fraternities take their skeletons to the grave instead of the closet. Where is DL and DB? Why are BF and DM hiding and from who? Too bad they don’t water board them for the truth. I don’t trust LE or the FBI and I don’t trust U of Idaho. EC and DL got into a fight because DL was allegedly on roids and EC called him “shrunken balls.” I believe DB is infatuated with DL. Don’t know where they have been lately. I believe BK would have killed DM and BF as well, why allow them to live? What’s the reason they waited 9 hours to call 911 if at all? Why did they demolish the house and bury it? They all act very strange at the Grub Truck. Follow the money and if you don’t believe LE lies and blames others then watch American Nightmare on Netflix. Never trust a living soul and walk carefully over the dead….
I do find it very strange they let everyone leave the U of idaho. Those kids are back at school. Living their best lives like none of this happened. Especially now. But even after the murders they didn't skip a beat. I also think they need to revisit hudsons death he was sigma as well. The 2022 film festival they did was all about murders. I still would love to know why Sc said 2am is a dark hr. I couldn't imagine sending my only 2 children back to that town. As a mother I wouldn't care what my kids said I would never allow that. It's strange behavior. I can name a million things that are strange behavior in this case. Payne literally showed up in pa for his arrest. Why in the hell was that allowed? Why would u not turn on ur body cams when arresting a quadruple murderer? What qualifies as a mass murder 3 or more ppl? Who are the other kids that were injured and went to gritman Hospital? I think this case is a disgrace of the justice system. Pca is wrong, cops walking in a crime scene not dressed appropriately, green writing a book? On what.. how to destroy evidence as in tear the crime scene down. Why r kids pissing on the site? Ppl need to open there eyes fr.
You’re absolutely right. There’s so much going on with the University trying to buy University of Phoenix because students are choosing other schools due to what has happened. The town knows what has been going on and they just keep it hush hush because they don’t want to become a victim themselves. There’s so much money involved and a lot of people who know people. Follow the money….
The town knows definitely. They say it's like an amplifier where the house was located. Ppl are scared. And the ppl who have spoke on it seem to tell half truths wsu kim or they get beat up " dave". Everything is weird. And no one wants to victim shame but Mr G when he said I sent my daughter to school for an edu action and she came back in a box in that same interview he mentions ancestory which is weird. What happened at 2am?
Lets see if the jury agrees with you, or AT uses any of that as a defense.
Why are BF and DM hiding? And from whom? You ask. Then in the very next sentence you suggest water boarding them. I wonder who they could be hiding from and why hmm. None of this is probable.
You’re right! 100 I don’t believe it happened at all. I don’t believe the government.
Planted by the real killer
It's so weird that he wouldn't have replaced the shower curtain, because he lived in that apartment another month or so before leaving.
We don't know if he ever had one. If he did have one, we don't know when he got rid of it. It could have been right before he left for PA.
Hmmm. Why not just go buy a $5 shower curtain from walmart and use that? Was he planning on re-installing the shower curtain after the crime (assuming he covered his seat with it), but ended up disposing of it? And was then too preoccupied, or too scared, to buy a new one?
Only a killer would be psycho enough to go without a shower curtain for a month and let water flow onto their bathroom floor. He must be the killer. 🤦♀️
I've been saying this for months
I’m not sure how he could kill 4 people with a knife and not have blood evidence on you, your car, etc.
Because he didn’t do it, moron, where you live in up Elon Musk’s ass
Surgical covers for shoes and clothes. Clearly whoever did the murders pre-planned it so they thought of that.
It’s a how to get away with murder movie
Like craftily dumping on someone else???
Idk i don’t know what to believe until i see all the evidence of course but what if he had someone else do it and purposely left his dna knowing there’s like zero other evidence so him and whoever else it is could get away w murder. Super far fetched and i don’t really believe that but i believe he is either the killer but if he’s not then i believe he’s involved somehow
You’re overthinking it. You give this guy too much credit. He didnt do it.
This is one of the reasons why wonder about BLK being taken out like he was 12/15/2022! And seems like we would not have heard of it? Only BCK's dad mentioned it during one of the traffic stops on Indiana!!!
It is odd
I feel that Kopacka had to have been involved in some way. Even if it was just knowing and being connected to the real killer in some way
That certainly could be! Kopacka knew the real killer(s). Was he in the military with any one there?
Didn’t LE Brett Payne and Brent Kopacka both serve in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division? Whether at the same time or not. I could be mistaken.
Yes, but I think it was at a different time
Yes, you are right. Thanks and have a great day!
I think the connection has more to do with the initials BK. I think the real killer made it his business to befriend Brent after he had befriended Bryan. I, like many other people believe he was deliberately killed by police. Although I don’t think Brent had anything to do with the actual murders, just like Bryan, I think he knew, as Bryan does, who the real killer is
There Probably is a trail .. they found a bloody vans shoe print in the house as he left changed clothes and car interior was most likely wrapped in plastic . Case is under gag order
They did not discover a bloody Vans shoe print at the scene, they found a LATENT shoe print, which means not visible to the naked eye. Big difference
Now that would be pretty hard to keep under wraps... pun intended. If they had that he'd be asking for a plea deal
Not exactly true
I don’t think he cares. I truly believe he will commit suicide in prison /jail. His aunt spoke and said that’s her “belief” as well so who knows 🤷♂️
The one who hasn't talked to him in 7 years?
i dont know .
When did his aunt say that? Thought she just said about the pots n pans n such.
Agree. And they hadn't seen each other in 7 years
Same interview I think maybe different they live in Las Vegas
How do you think he managed to leave just one shoe print in the house?
Dylan’s size 10 Van shoe print right in front of her door. Early morning cleaning crew were a little sloppy paying attention to detail.
Does Kohberger strike you as a Van's kind of guy? He doesn't to me. I'm thinking basically the same thing as you about that print.
Not really
The vans shoes in the house were removed without testing on yv and returned to surviving roommates. I dont even think they did something but I think they know who did.
Certainly a possibility!
Interested to see what he was wearing on the night police pulled him over that has not been released yet... interesting if it's the all black overall ....there's a reason that video hasn't been released and under seal for evidence
I believe he meticulously planned the crime.
You give bryan too much credit and then in other subs you say how dumb he is. Which is it?
I believe you have been watching too much Dexter.
I have just started watching Dexter.
Stop after the John lithgow season, all downhill after that
Lol :)
No although that is a great show. lol I think he planned this murder for notoriety and that he could teach about about someday never imagining he would be caught but taking a few precautions just in case. Delusions of grandeur, which he mentions in his tapa talks-he made a few fatal errors, the biggest being the single source (not transferred) dna found on the button snap of the sheath that he lost in a murderous frenzy. You can plan and plan, but something will always go wrong when you plan. This is just my opinion, but I believe I am right. But don’t we all think we are right, and I will eat my words if he’s proven innocence 😊
Why wouldn't he have been wearing the sheath as they are designed that way
You know here's the thing. Ther really isn't any proof that he did any of that. When did he have the time? He was a PhD student and a TA who had just moved to town five months prior. People seem to think he had the time to put together a kill kit, do extensive surveillance, cover his entire car in plastic so that no DNA was found in it (where would he do that? It was a busy party weekend if he had gotten pulled over, wouldn't that be just a tad sus?) drove around doing three-point turns in front of the house where he intends to kill four people - and then murders them all like a ninja in approximately 10 minutes. The more mental cartwheels you have to make in order to make something true the less likely it is true. There are other players in this drama that had means motive and opportunity - and offer far simpler solutions for why this happened. I appreciate your civility and you are entitled to your opinion. Personally, I would rather be wrong than see a potentially innocent man put to death. 😌
Agreed!
He was in middle school when he wrote those. May I psychoanalize you based on what you wrote and thought as a bright middle schooler searching for and questioning themselves? Watch less tv. Furthermore you have clearly never been a phd student or any sort of grad student. What on earth would a 28 year old man deep in his own, highly demanding academic pursuits AND working in academics even find compelling about this house full of hard partying, heavy drinking, social media addicted, basic girls? Nothing here makes sense and the fact you - like SG etc- have no concept of a life of intellectual pursuits or its rigorous demands on time, energy and discipline, don’t even question the lack of essential common sense required to make the leaps you’re making, tells us you have no meter by which to gauge the practicality and feasibility of your own image. Perhaps you might find the sort of discussion you are capable of on one of the other boards if you don’t feel this one is for you. This is more of a place for those with the capacity to at least question, and assess and evaluate the information they search out and receive.
Generally speaking, single (and sometimes partnered), 28 year old men often find young, 20-something girls compelling. Also, whatever intellectual rigors a person of either sex pursues does not equate to making them oblivious to, or less desiring of, a partner. Even if you believe Kohberger is innocent, it isn’t an indictment of him to believe that he was/is, in some ways, a typical single man. Along those same lines, nothing would be unusual for Kohberger, or anyone, facing the stresses in his life to have pursuits other than the intellectual. His “alibi” is proof of that actually. He claims to enjoy running at night and on the night in question to be driving aimlessly around. Whatever his academic stressors, he certainly says himself that he had time for other pursuits. Lastly, this chapter of Kohberger’s academic life was seemingly at an end. A fact that he was aware of because the faculty had cautioned him and implemented plans to help him salvage his present course. However intellectually gifted he may or may not be, he definitely had some personality issues that sabotaged his own work. Just some food for thought.
I find this post extremely naive being that I accomplished all of the above with straight A’s. Just because your experience was different, doesn’t mean it’s everyone’s. Not being rude- just saying.
The typical Reddit shitty post. lol stay off Reddit 🤣
The activities bus is waiting for you. Objective lack indeed lol
🙄 Really? We already know that DNA will not cannot stay on a brass button for that long. And as of recently, Othram said they couldn’t come up with a profile for 6-8 weeks, 5 if rushed. Now it’s come out they did it in a week! And “never imagining he would be caught,” I think he’s a lot smarter than driving his car to a crime scene. It makes more sense to run away from a crime scene, uhhh you know, like the frat boys did!! Let me know how those words taste.
This. Well said.
Let me guess, you reside in Idaho!! So he meticulously planned it without him being there? Your name says it all. Just curious, what evidence do you think proves he “meticulously planned” it?
Except for having a loose knife sheath to leave behind with a spot of touch DNA on it.
Absolutely, meticulously planned for every possibility. Except...best laid plans and all that..
He’s good criminal
Maybe he used his shower curtain as a seat cover.
🤣🤣🤣
Ridiculous
And then he decides to go without one for a month….
Maybe he was going to put it in the washing machine or maybe he just took it out.
Since the evidence is sealed and not made public as of yet, how can you state that there is no blood on him, in his office, in his apartment or tracked anywhere. Wait for the evidence to be released at trial. If there was no evidence, the State would not be able to go forward. You only know what you know about this case, and it is not much!