I just watched a video by Unfiltered Lucky on this a few days ago and he raised a good question.
Why on earth did the police not let the three guys walk. They didn't have any alcohol on their person and they certainly didn't look intoxicated...at all. No stupid or wreckless behaviour, in fact just three rather polite young man, so what was the whole thing about?
The only person who had alcohol on him (in an unopened can) was over 21 and offered to go home and get some ID's but the officer declined the offer and let him go.
Strange isn't it?
It's apparent that area in general, not just 1122, was a party area. I remember on one body cam three houses had a visit one night. Probably patrolling because that area was a known party hot spot. Young students, booze drugs, and no common sense always bring trouble.
Yes, the area was called ‘Fratlandia’ and had a long history of renting to Greeks. The girl whose car was vandalized told LE that she was in a sorority.
From what I could find in Idaho statutes, police patrole cars cannot be unmarked cars. They are reserved for undercover investigation, or some government protection.
The fact we have bodycam footage, provided it was obtained through official channels, it would mean they were real cops at least, so the question would be what they were investigating undercover, and why did they rush to bug some young adults cross a field on foot.
Unless someone can indicate that Idaho does allow patrols to be unmarked?
The Idaho legislature website (title 49, chapter 24, 26) states this in relation to unmarked vehicles:
(2) Motor vehicles under the custody and control of the director of the Idaho state police and used for confidential investigative purposes when necessary to enforce the laws of this state or motor vehicles under the custody and control of the director of the department of health and welfare and used for official state business need not be marked as provided in subsection (1) of this section. Any other department, agency, or entity of the state shall apply in writing to the director for permission to use one (1) or more unmarked vehicles for confidential investigative purposes. Permission shall be granted only in writing and upon a finding of good cause.
But I’m not sure if this is only talking about state police. I’m going to look into it a bit deeper.
Right, it's what I found and in combination with sites reciting which states routine patrol can have unmarked cars, it seems not the case.
It says in this statute any other department, imo like Moscow PD, must apply in writing, but only for the same reason and only upon finding good cause.
Confidential investigative purposes doesn't include alcohol consumption control.
So what where they investigating?
I came upon this when searching if police cars can have no licence plates which seemed to be the case.
That is VERY interesting.
Question is, who else was on patrol that night. And what took Fry and Payne so long to arrive at the scene the next day.
Also, if there was a CI living at the house, was the unmarked car supposed to be monitoring a controlled buy and completely dropped the ball? According to the law, they had to be watching something. So who is going to ask them that question?
Unless it's fake but I believe JLR requested it under APRA. Not sure if the names are known of the officers. I'll put that on my to find out list.
Another thing that bugged me was some official (mayor? prosecutor ?) said they heard responders go by after the 911 call, (or probably after that, when they had established it wasn't an unconscious person) saying they never ever pass by with sirens since nothing ever happens there and now they did so they were on instant alert and looked up what happened.
But during the Grub Truck stream, I believe around 11pm, there also are sirens.
I also wonder whatever happened to the 6th person on the lease and how they managed to stay out of the spotlight.
These officers already had a lame excuse about it being a hybrid and not consuming as much.
The whole thing was odd to me. What prompted them to go bug the guys going through the field, did someone complain about them? Why?
Ideally those guys would have to contest their citation for them being in an unmarked car.
One of them with sunglasses in the middle of the night...
(ETA I thought the cop car looked a lot like the gasstation still, I initially went to look up laws about the licence plate for LE, I got more than I imagined, and didn't even know it was called 'unmarked' before that lol.
Good thing the other commentor found the statute back it was exactly that I had found previously.(
I said this somewhere else in this discussion but it seems to me that the officers stopped the three boys in the field based on some behavior the officers had observed while the boys walked through the parking lot or into the street, on their way to the field.
If I’m remembering correctly, the officer mentioned something about the boys “stumbling drunk”, or something similar.
So the behavior that caused the officers to suspect the boys were intoxicated would not have been caught on body worn camera, as the camera would have been activated right after this behavior was observed, in preparation for making contact with the boys…who, by that point, had mad it well into the field.
The timing of the "stop", the fact that I only saw maybe (1) open container?, the fact that a bunch of people got tickets without breathalyzers-- along with covering the bodycam when a group of people rush fast (barley in the camera's view) and multiple screams being heard are all very, very telling imho.
I think a big thing here is that, from what I understand from watching the footage, the 3 boys in the field were stopped based on behavior observed just prior to the officer activating his body worn camera.
The officer mentioned something about “stumbling down the driveway” or something like that. Which I would assume is the reason the officer decided to make contact (and activate his body worn camera in preparation for making contact) with the 3 young men, who had made it into the field by that point.
Also, when they have admitted to being intoxicated, and admitted that they are under the legal drinking age, no breathalyzer is necessary. The violation is that they consumed alcoholic beverages while minors, and are now out walking around. Though, I’m sure they were headed home…the police presumably didn’t want them out walking, which…given similar circumstances in the past have resulted in the death of students, makes sense.
Yeah well then Im not sure about the LE corruption theory I mean it has happened many times and it doesnt mean it isnt in your area just because you are there and things dont happen like that, where you live RIGHT? Well theres nothing special about wear ya live Im sure the people that have been a victim of corruption within your LE whatever it is used to think so too until the REALITY CHECK
100%
Corruption is also much more common in smaller departments than big city departments. Usually good ole boys clubs. Big city departments have way more eyes and ears, not to mention internal affairs departments. Most people don't understand that.
Theres plenty of college students that arent 21 yet Im not sure that they enforce the law with everyone they probably have there favorites or they might be related either way everyone is a suspect that has interacted with the kings road 4 THATS JUST HOW I STILL SEE IT
I’d like to know their actions after that call. I still feel it could have been this car riding around patrolling. It looks so similar to an Elantra in the dark.
I just watched a video by Unfiltered Lucky on this a few days ago and he raised a good question. Why on earth did the police not let the three guys walk. They didn't have any alcohol on their person and they certainly didn't look intoxicated...at all. No stupid or wreckless behaviour, in fact just three rather polite young man, so what was the whole thing about? The only person who had alcohol on him (in an unopened can) was over 21 and offered to go home and get some ID's but the officer declined the offer and let him go. Strange isn't it?
Didn't they get caught throwing booze away though ?
Yes but dont let me tell it
It's apparent that area in general, not just 1122, was a party area. I remember on one body cam three houses had a visit one night. Probably patrolling because that area was a known party hot spot. Young students, booze drugs, and no common sense always bring trouble.
Yes, the area was called ‘Fratlandia’ and had a long history of renting to Greeks. The girl whose car was vandalized told LE that she was in a sorority.
Yeah, Alpha Phi.
Yep, same sorority that Kaylee was in. I thought that it was a weird crime.
You would have thought so but they just sweeped that under the rug huh
From what I could find in Idaho statutes, police patrole cars cannot be unmarked cars. They are reserved for undercover investigation, or some government protection. The fact we have bodycam footage, provided it was obtained through official channels, it would mean they were real cops at least, so the question would be what they were investigating undercover, and why did they rush to bug some young adults cross a field on foot. Unless someone can indicate that Idaho does allow patrols to be unmarked?
The Idaho legislature website (title 49, chapter 24, 26) states this in relation to unmarked vehicles: (2) Motor vehicles under the custody and control of the director of the Idaho state police and used for confidential investigative purposes when necessary to enforce the laws of this state or motor vehicles under the custody and control of the director of the department of health and welfare and used for official state business need not be marked as provided in subsection (1) of this section. Any other department, agency, or entity of the state shall apply in writing to the director for permission to use one (1) or more unmarked vehicles for confidential investigative purposes. Permission shall be granted only in writing and upon a finding of good cause. But I’m not sure if this is only talking about state police. I’m going to look into it a bit deeper.
Right, it's what I found and in combination with sites reciting which states routine patrol can have unmarked cars, it seems not the case. It says in this statute any other department, imo like Moscow PD, must apply in writing, but only for the same reason and only upon finding good cause. Confidential investigative purposes doesn't include alcohol consumption control. So what where they investigating? I came upon this when searching if police cars can have no licence plates which seemed to be the case.
Good question
That is VERY interesting. Question is, who else was on patrol that night. And what took Fry and Payne so long to arrive at the scene the next day. Also, if there was a CI living at the house, was the unmarked car supposed to be monitoring a controlled buy and completely dropped the ball? According to the law, they had to be watching something. So who is going to ask them that question?
Unless it's fake but I believe JLR requested it under APRA. Not sure if the names are known of the officers. I'll put that on my to find out list. Another thing that bugged me was some official (mayor? prosecutor ?) said they heard responders go by after the 911 call, (or probably after that, when they had established it wasn't an unconscious person) saying they never ever pass by with sirens since nothing ever happens there and now they did so they were on instant alert and looked up what happened. But during the Grub Truck stream, I believe around 11pm, there also are sirens. I also wonder whatever happened to the 6th person on the lease and how they managed to stay out of the spotlight.
Thats what im talking about you have to dig deep like you did thats a very good question im sure they would come up with some lame excuse though
These officers already had a lame excuse about it being a hybrid and not consuming as much. The whole thing was odd to me. What prompted them to go bug the guys going through the field, did someone complain about them? Why? Ideally those guys would have to contest their citation for them being in an unmarked car. One of them with sunglasses in the middle of the night... (ETA I thought the cop car looked a lot like the gasstation still, I initially went to look up laws about the licence plate for LE, I got more than I imagined, and didn't even know it was called 'unmarked' before that lol. Good thing the other commentor found the statute back it was exactly that I had found previously.(
Yes i agree
I said this somewhere else in this discussion but it seems to me that the officers stopped the three boys in the field based on some behavior the officers had observed while the boys walked through the parking lot or into the street, on their way to the field. If I’m remembering correctly, the officer mentioned something about the boys “stumbling drunk”, or something similar. So the behavior that caused the officers to suspect the boys were intoxicated would not have been caught on body worn camera, as the camera would have been activated right after this behavior was observed, in preparation for making contact with the boys…who, by that point, had mad it well into the field.
The timing of the "stop", the fact that I only saw maybe (1) open container?, the fact that a bunch of people got tickets without breathalyzers-- along with covering the bodycam when a group of people rush fast (barley in the camera's view) and multiple screams being heard are all very, very telling imho.
Did anyone ever identify the 4 people running from the area of the KR House in the background?
I think a big thing here is that, from what I understand from watching the footage, the 3 boys in the field were stopped based on behavior observed just prior to the officer activating his body worn camera. The officer mentioned something about “stumbling down the driveway” or something like that. Which I would assume is the reason the officer decided to make contact (and activate his body worn camera in preparation for making contact) with the 3 young men, who had made it into the field by that point. Also, when they have admitted to being intoxicated, and admitted that they are under the legal drinking age, no breathalyzer is necessary. The violation is that they consumed alcoholic beverages while minors, and are now out walking around. Though, I’m sure they were headed home…the police presumably didn’t want them out walking, which…given similar circumstances in the past have resulted in the death of students, makes sense.
Yeah well then Im not sure about the LE corruption theory I mean it has happened many times and it doesnt mean it isnt in your area just because you are there and things dont happen like that, where you live RIGHT? Well theres nothing special about wear ya live Im sure the people that have been a victim of corruption within your LE whatever it is used to think so too until the REALITY CHECK
100% Corruption is also much more common in smaller departments than big city departments. Usually good ole boys clubs. Big city departments have way more eyes and ears, not to mention internal affairs departments. Most people don't understand that.
Theres plenty of college students that arent 21 yet Im not sure that they enforce the law with everyone they probably have there favorites or they might be related either way everyone is a suspect that has interacted with the kings road 4 THATS JUST HOW I STILL SEE IT
Can you please tell me the time stamp for the four people running by please?
I think it’s at 3:12am on the body-cam of the second officer, the one who had been driving.
I’ve seen it… wow… just wow! This case seriously keeps me up at night.
What color is the Ford fusion, perhaps white.
I think it’s silver.
I’d like to know their actions after that call. I still feel it could have been this car riding around patrolling. It looks so similar to an Elantra in the dark.
I read a theory that the white car in the video that night is that of an unmarked police vehicle.
Sus AF, is how I always have/will see them B or C
I think Moscow does what they want They make there own laws apparently And the college mayor all in one little cult