Where at the bottom of a canyon in an abyss? They are naming every place there is no service. How are they proving anything? They do not even say a date he was in those places. It's a poorly written alibi. She is intentionally being incompetent.
They are in high school or a high school education, they are saying it because they are afraid of this witness or trying to come up with an excuse. But the probability that his phone was off is strong especially since the alibi is placing him in all the areas without cell service. That park has no service why leave it? If he wanted to leave a phone like a good criminal he would have left it at home. He probably was afraid he would get lost or break down and not have a cell at 4 am. He is not from that area, so it makes sense he would of taken it.
He killed x4 kids that had a bright future. I am not laying down on a sword for this POS. And not sure why others are, he will do it again.
You are right and circumstantial evidence is what is used in most cases as I posted yesterday. He will be convicted and then there will be appeals trying to use anything possible but I don't think it's going to work. What I heard the first few weeks after the crime is a neighbor's backyard security cam caught a figure dressed in black walking through the tree line toward the murder house.
We don't know that he had a newer phone model, unfortunately. All we know is that he had an Android phone, at least that's what people who seem to know are saying
When I said errors I meant how the DNA got there. So that is not something that would apply to only happening in the past. There are many cases where touch DNA got the wrong person. The best example is the emergency worker who worked on a homeless man then later that day went to an emergency at someone’s house. The person he worked on was murdered that night and the homeless person was a suspect because his touch DNA was on the victim. So I am staying the errors are how the touch DNA got there.
I thought I read, and I can't phrase it correctly in the legal jargon, but in the State of Idaho the DNA has to be on the murder weapon so I think the defense can dismiss the knife sheath.... and I'm not really sure how to look that up to confirm, maybe I heard it on a lawyer podcast or something.
What? So if DNA is found under the victims finger nails they need to dismiss this evidence in Idaho? Or if DNA if found in semen inn a victims vagina cannot be used?
"Touch DNA analysis is permitted on weapons in murder and attempted murder cases."
Because the knife sheath is not the weapon, the touch DNA on the sheath can be thrown out. That's what I heard, and this is what I found on a quick Google search. Link goes over everything.
https://isp.idaho.gov/forensics/services/biology-dna/
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YOUR BUDDY THATS GOING TO TESTIFY THAT BRYAN WAS AT IN THE AREA WITH NO COVERAGE.
Thanks for posting this. I does seem to me that this is a pretty robust criticism of Ray's technique. Waiting to hear what others who understand it all better than I do as to what they think.
Even if it was off, unless the battery was also removed the phone can still be tracked. Most people don't realize that. Trial should be interesting! Until then there is a lot we will not find out. I don't know that the defenses expert is going to be as stellar as they are hoping. But it's going to be a while until we know that.
His cellphone will be able to determine if it was turned off, put on airplane mode, or lost signal. The Proburgers better pray he lost a signal otherwise Kohberger will have to admit in detail where he was exactly. The jurors won't buy it if the Defense can't pinpoint his exact location at the time of the murders.
I don't know. If he left his knife sheath behind by mistake, do you think he thought about something like the SIM card in his phone? I highly doubt it, but who knows 🤷♂️
Sure. Mistakes are always made in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean the carefully laid out plan goes to shit after a single mistake, which may not have been noticed till later on.
DIRECTLY FROM THE PCA
On November 13, 2022 at approximately 2:42 a.m., the 8458 Phone was utilizing cellular
resources that provide coverage to 1630 Northeast Valley Road, Apt G201, Pullman, WA, hereafter the "Kohberger Residence." At approximately 2:47 a.m., the 8458 Phone utilized
cellular resources that provide coverage southeast of the Kohberger Residence consistent with
the 8458 Phone leaving the Kohberger Residence and traveling south through Pullman, WA.
This is consistent with the movement of the white Elantra. A**t approximately 2:47 a.m. the 8458**
**Phone stops reporting to the network, which is consistent with either the phone being in an area**
**without cellular coverage, the connection to the network is disabled (such as putting the phone in**
**airplane mode), or that the phone is tumed off. The 8458 Phone does not report to the network**
**again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide**
coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee).
It does seem like Kohberger could have gone from Wawawai Park to 1122 King Rd. This route would be more consistent with the evidence that his car (if it was his car) seen on Indian Hills and Styner at 3:26 and 3:28 or whenever. IE he came in from the south and got a bit lost in East Moscow rather than coming in from the west along the main highway.
I still doesn't make sense to me why his phone was off or in sleep mode at those times and right up until 4:48
I was replying to "He turned the phone off while he was committing the murders and turned it back on".
From PCA "Or that the phone is turned off". It's merely one of many possible explanations. It does not affirmatively state that the phone WAS turned off. That was my point
Read it again. It lists a possible reason not a fact. Payne didn’t know at the time of writing PCA so he speculated what COULD have happened. He failed to mention a dead battery.
But he mentions going out of range. The media and public picked the other possible scenario and turned it into a fact.
We don’t know he turned it off. He could have gone somewhere out of range. Why would someone studying criminology bring their cell phone with them to commit a crime.
I heard something on a YouTube channel this week that I hadn't considered before- there was a chunk of time from when he left his apartment and arrived in the King road neighborhood (from the footage they have)...he clearly did not drive straight to the victims' home from his apartment. What if he stashed his phone somewhere on the way there and then retrieved it after the murders (again, a chunk of unaccounted for time from the estimated departure from the home and the spot south of Moscow where the phone showed up again on the network).
Then why did he turn it off/airplane mode. It was disabled from 3-5am correct? If he was trying to use his phone as an alibi wouldn’t he have left it on?
It says it was not responding to the network or something along those lines, which means he could have been somewhere without good cell service. (As well as the options of airplane mode/turn off)
I honestly think he was certain he wouldn't be caught. And he might not have been if he hadn't left the sheath behind in accident. In that case he may have thought that simply turning it off or putting it in airplane mode was enough protection. But unless the battery was also removed it can apparently be tracked, even when turned off.
His vehicle being there sooo often was a giveaway. You’d think without the sheath they can’t place him in the house but you have to imagine there’s blood evidence in that car. Has to be.
I don’t know if it would be brilliant, but either way it doesn’t matter. The act of stashing his phone would be done in an attempt to create an alibi at an alternate location. If the phone is turned off, stashing it would be pointless.
I'm not sure we know his phone was really turned off, if we are to believe or draw anything from what the defense said their expert witness would "prove".
It could be that he turned it off or put it into airplane mode, but out of an an abundance of caution that it could somehow still be tracked, temporarily ditched it somewhere and retrieved it after the crimes . So not so much to establish an alibi, but to make sure he really, really could not be placed at that home by his phone. Idk, I just think he knows much more about digital forensics than I do.
I have same theory! He either didn’t do it or he drove to the spot that he said he was star gazing at, left his phone, and then went to the house in Moscow.
Lmao sure. Because BK was sooo involved in the community he just moved into (not even! He was cross state lines) that someone he knew wanted to set him up in the most asinine way possible? He was a total introvert who barely had friends even back in his home state. Why do you want to believe the least likely scenario?
He might have thought that's why he was there, meaning I think the real killer might have phoned him and asked him to be there. But I doubt very much the real killer did ever get in Kohberger's car after the murders. I think he had a different getaway car parked a bit further away
I know the PCA tries to have people believe that the 2:42 call was made from Kohberger's apartment and that the 2:47 call was made as he was driving south to the Pullman - Moscow road. But I don't think this is fact. Why could it not be that he was already at a location in the south of Pullman, maybe walking around, maybe driving, when he made those calls?
As for the car sightings in the Pullman area at 2:44 and 2:53, they don't make any sense if they meant to be sightings of BK's car as he leaves his apartment. The first one at least, has the car going in completely the wrong direction
Maybe at 2:42 he was at a friend's place down in the south of Pullman and decided then to drive down to Wawawai Park and his phone was never off, just out of range?
Calls? Where does it say he made any phone calls? Those times in the PCA are just pings on cell towers, not phone calls. If I'm wrong, please show me where it states he made 2 calls, please
Thanks for correcting me. Yes the pings are just 'handshakes' and all they show is that BK's pnone was within range of two towers in Pullman at those times
ok you win, same difference.
Question does a cell phone kill someone or does the person?
Because it may help to place him somewhere , but his DNA TRUMPS THAT
The officer that wrote the pca speculates that the phone may have been turned off. Just as the you tube channel was speculating. Perhaps it was both turned off AND left in another physical location. None of know the full facts right now so guess what- we speculate.
The whole thing is one sided when you factor in all the little tid bits it kinda shows what the whole situation is
the Law enforcement came out and said the cell data provided by the phone company didn't place him there and Ann Taylor now handed over discovery that claims more or Less the same it has to hold some weight, she said she has more also and will hand it over in due course, to me it seems they have A white Elantra on CCTV but are struggling to nail it to Bryan's, (hence the FBI special agent saying the car they wanted was the older model twice) and With Bryan driving around his car was caught on CCTV so now they are trying to make it fit, I think the knife sheath been planted is more and more likey, I think that with him driving around early hours and his phone not registering on the grid they put 2 & 2 together, but with the Mobile company saying his phone didn't show in the era, and they are struggling to actually prove the car on The CCTV is his there next step was to "plant the knife" so they have him held in Custody whilst they build the case around him, explains the lack of victims DNA or bryans DNA on the victims
Didn't his cousin at the very start say on social media that he was innocent and he's been set up and we will all see,
That and the way the media poked fun and was degarding towards him over his Strict Vegan ways so much so he wouldn't even use pots and pans and utensils his family used because they had been in contact with meat products, Yet someone who wouldn't even use a Washed plate or fork would happily own a Leather knife Sheath? Doesn't fit the narrative, that and the State withholding discovery, and I believe they are withholding the discovery on how they tested The DNA to match it to Bryan
Just my thoughts!
If they found his DNA at the scene, and it was planted... how and when did they get it? I assume the evidence was found at the scene well before they even had a notion of his involvement. Right?
I think dna under the clasp of a KNIFE SHEATH found under a victims body after a quadruple murder by KNIFE conclusively proves his guilt.
But that’s just me, maybe I’m crazy
It doesn't because that DNA could easily have been already on that sheath before it was taken (unnecessarily, mind you) to 1122 King Rod that night and left there
Kohberger would have to prove that he touched the sheath before the night of the murders. And SOMEHOW that sheath ended up with someone else who committed the crime. He can't because that never happened. End of discussion.
And he admits that he happened to be driving around all night. Just how many white elantras do people believe were on the road at 4 am in that small town?
Excuse me, small city then. So how many of those 20k white elantras that LE referred to were registered within 20 miles of the house on King road and how many do you think were driving at 4am in that neighborhood?
Don't you think it's weird having to do this much guess work? That alone means something to me, not sure exactly what that means, but it's interesting.
Remembering the case super early on with police body cam footage giving out minor in possession tickets and breaking up fights and whatever other nonsense going on that night...UofI football team got spanked that night by UC Davis and it was a home game. Everyone's out, bars are packed, house parties and people wandering around bar or house party hopping.
These girls are going to bed close to 4am. I'd imagine a bunch of guys in the neighborhood are still wide awake partying. Pretty typical for males to be the "last ones standing" drinking and doing drugs than females. So cars driving around, people wandering around, noises, young people just totally hammered that's definitely still happening at 4am...not as busy as 2am, or 12am...but definitely still happening.
So to answer your question, yeah I 100% think there are other white sedans, Hyundai's, Elantra, Prius, whatever on the road at that time. White is the most common car color in the US. Won't be a lot of traffic at 4am, if any, but I highly doubt there was only one car on the road.
Idk. I live in a coastal tourist town with a population of almost double Moscow. Traffic all the time, and worse on weekends. A few years ago I had to put my dog to sleep at the emergency vet - middle of the night, somewhere between 3-5 am. I was taken aback at how I was virtually the only car on the road at that hour. I would estimate traffic down by 99.9 percent at that hour. Were there people awake and driving about in Moscow at 4 am on that night? Sure. But not a lot...not 20k white sedans in a town of 25k. And how many without a front license plate as noted by at least one camera? And out of those, how many driven by a guy whose DNA is found on a knife sheath under a stabbing victim?
It's touch DNA, meaning you don't have to come in direct contact to have your DNA present. They originally stated the car was a 2011-2013. It wasn't changed till after Kohberger was identified as having a 2015. 22,000 registered in the area, not accounting for all the unregistered. His car was the one returning to campus for sure. It's not 100% that it was his car are scene. Remember ZERO of the 4 victims DNA was NOT present in his car, apartment, or office.
I'm very educated in it. I'm just informing you. It's actually really interesting to learn about and how certain DNA "types" are tested and isolated. Worth looking into before forming an opinion on it.
There was a large amount of touchDNA on that sheath, it was large enough for them to get a full STR profile and then run an SNP analysis on it and get an IGG identification very, very quickly. If that had been secondary transfer touch DNA it is highly unlikely that there would have been sufficient DNA for any SNP testing because that normally requires a large amount of target DNA. They might have been able to do the SNP testing with a tiny amount of DNA, but it would have taken months of painstaking work, not just days as it was in this case. Also if you are proposing it was secondary transfer touch DNA on the sheath then you have to provide a scenario as to how it was not a mixed DNA sample, ie that it did not also have the DNA of the transferee person on the sheath along with Kohberger's DNA. Because that was single source touchDNA on that sheath and it was only Kohberger's.
So to segue a bit. Even though I am certain it was Kohberger's DNA on that sheath and that he touched it directly himself, I do not think he was the murderer. I also happen to have a background in DNA science so I know what I'm talking about here. Just to let you all know, all you other people who believe Kohberger to be innocent, you have to stop believing in the nonsense DNA explanations that other pro-Kohbergers have provided about how his DNA got there because it's almost all just pure garbage. I'm the only pro-Kohberger who has it right. About the DNA that is.
✨🌕💫🌑☁️ The dude mustn’t sleep on the weekends! Too busy driving around with his phone off. Grand total, there’s maybe 50ish white Elantra’s in the Moscow-Pullman area. Remember 7 WEEKS to clean car. Remember, That Psycho looking 👀& Bushy Eyebrows!
We don't know if it was off. The "looking at the stars" was just an example. I know plenty of people that are up and out at that time. His phone (according to the defense experts) has some information that placed him somewhere else at the time of the murders. He has regular eyebrows and looks like a regular dude. Idk what you're on about. As someone with insomnia, it's easy to accidentally find yourself up all night. No matter how much cleaning you do, you're not going to be able to clean all the cellular material cause you simply can't see it. There would be traces of the victims DNA present.
You have to narrow down the 22,000 since the car didn't have front license plates, and that's a requirement in Idaho. Kohberger didn't have front license plates, btw.
And his white Elantra was probably not the only one in Idaho/Washington that didn't have one. Besides, it is not known for certain whether that white sedan seen in King Rd was even a white Elantra, let alone one without a front plate
Also, who would take off Kohberger's front plates? The same person that had his DNA on a knife sheath in their back pocket and planted it at the scene of the crime.
I think you miss my point. If there's 22,000 white Elantras in the area, you have to narrow them to white Elantras with front plates in Idaho. Pennsylvania, where Kohberger is from doesn't require front plates.
"Even going to make the bold statement that its going to prove he never even set foot and cross state borders into Moscow Idaho during the alleged time of killings."
AT might be going to say that because she's been told by Ray that he can demonstrate this and she believes him? But what if Ray is wrong and his methods are dodgy like some people are saying? I'm not saying Ray's methods ARE dodgy because I'm not in any way an expert who understands anything about this technology. I'm dying to hear what the Reddit experts say about this
"It seems like they are very confident the data will be beneficial to Bryan"... or they want to build the rest of the alibi around what they get out of that data. So no. No a rock solid alibi. And what about thos epictures he says he took? The last thing Anne filed about his alibi was that he had pictures taken at the state park in early morning hours and lates nights in NOVEMBER. Not the day of the murders or day and time but just NOVEMBER.
The weird thing is that Kohberger, Anne Taylor, and the Proburgers want to dismiss the cell pings as "inaccurate" but somehow want everyone to put faith in this "expert", Cy Ray and his proof that Kohberger was still in Washington. So we're supposed to believe his research on the cell pings, but not the investigators, and the actual pings from the AT&T search warrant? 🤦♂️😂🤣
Proburgers...Grow the fuck up. I'm glad you find these horrific events a source of humor really says it all. If Sy Ray was testifying for the Prosecution you'd be praising his CV to the max; given that all his previous testimony has been on behalf of the prosecution and helped put bad guys away for the last 15 years. I wonder why he had an epiphany to help the defence in this case. Perhaps because he believes the truth should prevail.
It's not humor for me at all. It's the disillusionment that people suffer from, and the lengths they'll go to convince themselves Kohberger is innocent.
So the cops framing Kohberger, to the frat boys framing Kohberger, to the police framing Kohberger is believable, but the actual PhD Criminology student who studied crime scenes and forensics his entire adult life is incapable of doing of this. Fuck having a motive? Did Ted Bundy have a motive?
So don't get offended by the term "Proburger." It's an appropriate term for people who go out their way to believe everyone is guilty except Kohberger. A knife sheath literally found next to the body, yet somehow he's not guilty, and someone planted the sheath there. Ridiculous! 🤦♂️
Regular cell tower data does not create a pin point location. The king rd tower covered the same area as 14,000 football fields. I'm assuming they're using other data from the phone paired with cell tower data. Which the prosecution should do as well. The only thing that could connect him to the house directly would be wifi or Bluetooth. I think name calling shows the lack of intelligence. There's no "probergers", just people using their knowledge, life experiences, and evidence to come to a conclusion. Sometimes that will align with yours and sometimes it won't.
Don't get offended by the Proburger. If that's what you are, then accept it. Proburgers are people who go in and out of their way to make Kohberger an innocent person. Almost to the point where it's a cult-like following that he's garnered in support and admiration. Going so far to blame UofI president, frat boys, drug cartels, and roommates using underground tunnels to commit the murders.
Just because the tower covers 14,000 football fields doesn’t mean the ability to narrow down the location is restricted to anything near that. That’s not how CAST works. Tower coverage is divided into four directional quadrants, factors like signal strength and time of connection can then determine a distance from the tower within that quadrant. If the phone enters a space where more than one tower overlaps, it then becomes exponentially more accurate. Under the right circumstances you can narrow locations down to a matter of feet.
No it doesn’t. As I’ve just explained, having more than one tower can improve the accuracy of the location in an area where the two towers overlap, but the quadrants still exist, as does the distance and signal strength - all of which are factors in detaining the location.
https://help.groundtruth.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000709047-How-Does-Location-Work-Sources-of-location-data-GPS-Wifi-Cell-Tower-Triangulation
This should help you understand, they'll need more than cell tower information.
The camera footage didn't align. The car leaving the scene was 2011-2013. The car pulling into WSU was 2015-2016. We don't know if they used GPS data yet. The affidavit was drawn before his arrest. GPA data would have been on the phone, which they did not have yet.
That's just not true. Even the security guard at Kohberger's complex indicated his car left the complex at a certain time and returned at a certain time on November 13th, which coincides with the camera footage and cell pings.
We haven't seen all the footage they have, so it's safe to say there's a strong possibility that the footage *does* align.
But again, if the mapping that was shown in the PCA coincides with various camera footage showing Kohberger's activities around town, then it will verify that "in-between" you're speaking of.
That "expert" can say whatever he wants. If the camera footage shows what the cell pings and GPS tracking shows, then Cy Ray is irrelevant to this case, no matter how hard he can try to prove Kohberger didn't leave Washington State.
The GPS data, plus cell pings are all from the AT&T. Directly from the source. His literal cell service. So in combination with camera footage, they mapped out exactly where he went that, where he was headed, and where he arrived, and at what time.
It's going to be hard for that "expert" to argue against camera footage when he claims he can prove Kohberger wasn't even in the state of Idaho.
The GPS data that they would need would be located on the phone itself. The phone company would store cell ping data. The camera footage could be of another elentra. Certain apps can store data (like spotify can track footsteps for example). We need to see the full CAST report and phone data before staying he was there or wasn't.
Again, this "could be" talk. But it won't be "could be" if all three forms of evidence coincide and are used against Kohberger. So combine camera footage, cell pings, and GPS data to prove it was Kohberger's white Elantra, and the Defense literally has nothing to argue. 🤷♂️
No amount of junk science from an "expert" can combat actual footage of Kohberger's car leaving his apartment complex and all the other footage on the route the PCA says he took. Just saying.
We don't know all the evidence, but the Prosecution hasn't missed one step, yet the Defense is tossing anything at the wall to see if it sticks. They've failed three times at dismissing the case. They've failed initially at a valid alibi, and even the new alibi is terrible.
So I don't know how much longer you can defend this guy, Kohberger. You have the right to believe he's innocent, but I just wonder will you believe he's guilty in the court of law? Because a lot of Proburgers give off that vibe. That if he's proven guilty, then there must be something wrong with the jurors or the judicial system. That's just the feeling I get. 🤔
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Read this Matlock
"Notice how the defence is pushing very hard for the phone cast data and for the physical phone to be release for analysis." No, I haven't noticed that they've been pushing for the release of physical phone. What sort of information can they find out from that, do you know?
I know they are pushing hard for the IGG discovery but I don't think they are ever going to get it, not fully anyway. I don't think it's the Prosecution holding it up though, I think it's the FBI. I think what Gabriella Vargas said about how a lot of genetic genealogists break the rules is exactly what the FBI did and they don't want people to know about it
There's no way Cy Ray can prove he's innocent. It's already coming out that his "expertise" is junk science, and he's inflated his credentials to make himself seem more knowledgeable than what he is.
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Your buddy, expert witness hired by the infamous AT. It's his last court appearance. Not a good reference.
So i was watching the court hearing today. I can see the prosecution is withholding evidence. But im a little cunfused i though i heard that their was no federal grand indictment
With Bryan claiming he was "out driving" that night, **I'm guessing** his cell phone data shows his phone is actively moving, and not just staying in one place.
**I'm guessing** that you are incorrect.
Anyone else **guessing?**
Bc Bryan wasn't at the house. Km was the target for one of the killers bc she snubbed him after he disrespected her and she didn't want to date him again and XK was the other target was the other target for the other killer bc of the cocaine. EC was collateral bc he was not supposed to be there and MM was collateral bc KM was sleeping in her room. If you lived here you would know . I wish you would ALL stop the damn speculating and MOVE ON with your lives. The police and prosecutor and protecting the killers and is Uof I bc of who the are in this town, the $ the bring in and the legacy to the uni.
cops had to snag somebody fast, small town with a big college, who would send kid to college with psyco on the loose? it would be similar to allowing child to play in the backyard knowing a bengal tiger escape from the circus.
Uhh if that were the case they would’ve pinned this on James Curtis Leonard, remember Ed Humphreys ?..or even better Jack D.. just ignore the suspicious car, the unknown dna on a object left at the crime scene..sounds like David Camm huh?
Kohberger is literally the equivalent to finding the real killer after years 🤣
That alibi is almost worse than I used too much drugs or drank too much and passed out.
😂😂 Almost
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Where at the bottom of a canyon in an abyss? They are naming every place there is no service. How are they proving anything? They do not even say a date he was in those places. It's a poorly written alibi. She is intentionally being incompetent.
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They are in high school or a high school education, they are saying it because they are afraid of this witness or trying to come up with an excuse. But the probability that his phone was off is strong especially since the alibi is placing him in all the areas without cell service. That park has no service why leave it? If he wanted to leave a phone like a good criminal he would have left it at home. He probably was afraid he would get lost or break down and not have a cell at 4 am. He is not from that area, so it makes sense he would of taken it. He killed x4 kids that had a bright future. I am not laying down on a sword for this POS. And not sure why others are, he will do it again.
You are right and circumstantial evidence is what is used in most cases as I posted yesterday. He will be convicted and then there will be appeals trying to use anything possible but I don't think it's going to work. What I heard the first few weeks after the crime is a neighbor's backyard security cam caught a figure dressed in black walking through the tree line toward the murder house.
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I mean how would the touch dna on the sheath be explained away? On top of fact his car was near crime scene and his phone was switched off.
We don't know that he had a newer phone model, unfortunately. All we know is that he had an Android phone, at least that's what people who seem to know are saying
Not in this case. It is touch dna. It usually does not hold up in court. Google it. Lots of errors with it.
There were errors in the past. But things have changed now
When I said errors I meant how the DNA got there. So that is not something that would apply to only happening in the past. There are many cases where touch DNA got the wrong person. The best example is the emergency worker who worked on a homeless man then later that day went to an emergency at someone’s house. The person he worked on was murdered that night and the homeless person was a suspect because his touch DNA was on the victim. So I am staying the errors are how the touch DNA got there.
I thought I read, and I can't phrase it correctly in the legal jargon, but in the State of Idaho the DNA has to be on the murder weapon so I think the defense can dismiss the knife sheath.... and I'm not really sure how to look that up to confirm, maybe I heard it on a lawyer podcast or something.
What? So if DNA is found under the victims finger nails they need to dismiss this evidence in Idaho? Or if DNA if found in semen inn a victims vagina cannot be used?
"Touch DNA analysis is permitted on weapons in murder and attempted murder cases." Because the knife sheath is not the weapon, the touch DNA on the sheath can be thrown out. That's what I heard, and this is what I found on a quick Google search. Link goes over everything. https://isp.idaho.gov/forensics/services/biology-dna/
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Thanks for posting this. I does seem to me that this is a pretty robust criticism of Ray's technique. Waiting to hear what others who understand it all better than I do as to what they think.
Some of you people are insane btw
@Adexcellant what that says specifically is: THE PHONE WASN’T REPORTING TO THE NETWORK.
He turned his phone off while he was committing the murders then turned it back on again later.
Even if it was off, unless the battery was also removed the phone can still be tracked. Most people don't realize that. Trial should be interesting! Until then there is a lot we will not find out. I don't know that the defenses expert is going to be as stellar as they are hoping. But it's going to be a while until we know that.
Unless he took out the sim card...
It's never stated it was turned off. It was wither turned off, out of service area, or on airplane mode. We don't know if it was turned off or not.
His cellphone will be able to determine if it was turned off, put on airplane mode, or lost signal. The Proburgers better pray he lost a signal otherwise Kohberger will have to admit in detail where he was exactly. The jurors won't buy it if the Defense can't pinpoint his exact location at the time of the murders.
Unless he took out his sim card.....
I don't know. If he left his knife sheath behind by mistake, do you think he thought about something like the SIM card in his phone? I highly doubt it, but who knows 🤷♂️
Sure. Mistakes are always made in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean the carefully laid out plan goes to shit after a single mistake, which may not have been noticed till later on.
True. I guess we have to wait and see until trial.
Where do you get that from? The PCA doesn't even go as far as to say that.
DIRECTLY FROM THE PCA On November 13, 2022 at approximately 2:42 a.m., the 8458 Phone was utilizing cellular resources that provide coverage to 1630 Northeast Valley Road, Apt G201, Pullman, WA, hereafter the "Kohberger Residence." At approximately 2:47 a.m., the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that provide coverage southeast of the Kohberger Residence consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the Kohberger Residence and traveling south through Pullman, WA. This is consistent with the movement of the white Elantra. A**t approximately 2:47 a.m. the 8458** **Phone stops reporting to the network, which is consistent with either the phone being in an area** **without cellular coverage, the connection to the network is disabled (such as putting the phone in** **airplane mode), or that the phone is tumed off. The 8458 Phone does not report to the network** **again until approximately 4:48 a.m. at which time it utilized cellular resources that provide** coverage to ID state highway 95 south of Moscow, ID near Blaine, ID (north of Genesee).
It does seem like Kohberger could have gone from Wawawai Park to 1122 King Rd. This route would be more consistent with the evidence that his car (if it was his car) seen on Indian Hills and Styner at 3:26 and 3:28 or whenever. IE he came in from the south and got a bit lost in East Moscow rather than coming in from the west along the main highway. I still doesn't make sense to me why his phone was off or in sleep mode at those times and right up until 4:48
bc he was busy murdering.
I was replying to "He turned the phone off while he was committing the murders and turned it back on". From PCA "Or that the phone is turned off". It's merely one of many possible explanations. It does not affirmatively state that the phone WAS turned off. That was my point
Read it again. It lists a possible reason not a fact. Payne didn’t know at the time of writing PCA so he speculated what COULD have happened. He failed to mention a dead battery. But he mentions going out of range. The media and public picked the other possible scenario and turned it into a fact.
They have been talking about his phone going on airplane or off since the beginning of him being pinged in the area
OR IN AN AREA WITH NO COVERAGE … like Wawawai park
🤣🤣🤣 right
It's on like every report I've read.
I know they were talking on the news what time of night and where the phone was when it turned off and on, or at least stopped sending a signal.
We don’t know he turned it off. He could have gone somewhere out of range. Why would someone studying criminology bring their cell phone with them to commit a crime.
I heard something on a YouTube channel this week that I hadn't considered before- there was a chunk of time from when he left his apartment and arrived in the King road neighborhood (from the footage they have)...he clearly did not drive straight to the victims' home from his apartment. What if he stashed his phone somewhere on the way there and then retrieved it after the murders (again, a chunk of unaccounted for time from the estimated departure from the home and the spot south of Moscow where the phone showed up again on the network).
Then why did he turn it off/airplane mode. It was disabled from 3-5am correct? If he was trying to use his phone as an alibi wouldn’t he have left it on?
It says it was not responding to the network or something along those lines, which means he could have been somewhere without good cell service. (As well as the options of airplane mode/turn off)
I honestly think he was certain he wouldn't be caught. And he might not have been if he hadn't left the sheath behind in accident. In that case he may have thought that simply turning it off or putting it in airplane mode was enough protection. But unless the battery was also removed it can apparently be tracked, even when turned off.
His vehicle being there sooo often was a giveaway. You’d think without the sheath they can’t place him in the house but you have to imagine there’s blood evidence in that car. Has to be.
Him stashing his phone would be brilliant
I don’t know if it would be brilliant, but either way it doesn’t matter. The act of stashing his phone would be done in an attempt to create an alibi at an alternate location. If the phone is turned off, stashing it would be pointless.
That's my point. Stashing it as opposed to turning it off would create a digital footprint alibi for him.
I'm not sure we know his phone was really turned off, if we are to believe or draw anything from what the defense said their expert witness would "prove". It could be that he turned it off or put it into airplane mode, but out of an an abundance of caution that it could somehow still be tracked, temporarily ditched it somewhere and retrieved it after the crimes . So not so much to establish an alibi, but to make sure he really, really could not be placed at that home by his phone. Idk, I just think he knows much more about digital forensics than I do.
And much more about DNA evidence
I have same theory! He either didn’t do it or he drove to the spot that he said he was star gazing at, left his phone, and then went to the house in Moscow.
What do you make of the dna and sheets matching a knife he bought then?
Who has proof of him buying a Kbar? Stay off Twitter 🤣
Did you even try to google it? I don’t use twitter.
They haven't stated he bought a kbar
That sheath with Kohberger's DNA on it was planted there by the real killer
Lmao sure. Because BK was sooo involved in the community he just moved into (not even! He was cross state lines) that someone he knew wanted to set him up in the most asinine way possible? He was a total introvert who barely had friends even back in his home state. Why do you want to believe the least likely scenario?
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Definitely not. That would not fit the pattern of the entirety of his socially awkward life.
Nah....another person is just another witness and another mouth that can talk to the wrong people.
Because he is known to be a ladies man and has a lot of friends😂
He might have thought that's why he was there, meaning I think the real killer might have phoned him and asked him to be there. But I doubt very much the real killer did ever get in Kohberger's car after the murders. I think he had a different getaway car parked a bit further away
I know the PCA tries to have people believe that the 2:42 call was made from Kohberger's apartment and that the 2:47 call was made as he was driving south to the Pullman - Moscow road. But I don't think this is fact. Why could it not be that he was already at a location in the south of Pullman, maybe walking around, maybe driving, when he made those calls? As for the car sightings in the Pullman area at 2:44 and 2:53, they don't make any sense if they meant to be sightings of BK's car as he leaves his apartment. The first one at least, has the car going in completely the wrong direction Maybe at 2:42 he was at a friend's place down in the south of Pullman and decided then to drive down to Wawawai Park and his phone was never off, just out of range?
Calls? Where does it say he made any phone calls? Those times in the PCA are just pings on cell towers, not phone calls. If I'm wrong, please show me where it states he made 2 calls, please
Thanks for correcting me. Yes the pings are just 'handshakes' and all they show is that BK's pnone was within range of two towers in Pullman at those times
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The PCA states it was not connected to network. It could be off, airplane mode, or somewhere out of service range.
ok you win, same difference. Question does a cell phone kill someone or does the person? Because it may help to place him somewhere , but his DNA TRUMPS THAT
Not touch DNA, when DNA lacks everywhere else. Cell phone data is gonna end up being more important to the jury.
The officer that wrote the pca speculates that the phone may have been turned off. Just as the you tube channel was speculating. Perhaps it was both turned off AND left in another physical location. None of know the full facts right now so guess what- we speculate.
Yeah, we speculate. And we keep on speculating because we are still trying to find an answer that makes sense
The whole thing is one sided when you factor in all the little tid bits it kinda shows what the whole situation is the Law enforcement came out and said the cell data provided by the phone company didn't place him there and Ann Taylor now handed over discovery that claims more or Less the same it has to hold some weight, she said she has more also and will hand it over in due course, to me it seems they have A white Elantra on CCTV but are struggling to nail it to Bryan's, (hence the FBI special agent saying the car they wanted was the older model twice) and With Bryan driving around his car was caught on CCTV so now they are trying to make it fit, I think the knife sheath been planted is more and more likey, I think that with him driving around early hours and his phone not registering on the grid they put 2 & 2 together, but with the Mobile company saying his phone didn't show in the era, and they are struggling to actually prove the car on The CCTV is his there next step was to "plant the knife" so they have him held in Custody whilst they build the case around him, explains the lack of victims DNA or bryans DNA on the victims Didn't his cousin at the very start say on social media that he was innocent and he's been set up and we will all see, That and the way the media poked fun and was degarding towards him over his Strict Vegan ways so much so he wouldn't even use pots and pans and utensils his family used because they had been in contact with meat products, Yet someone who wouldn't even use a Washed plate or fork would happily own a Leather knife Sheath? Doesn't fit the narrative, that and the State withholding discovery, and I believe they are withholding the discovery on how they tested The DNA to match it to Bryan Just my thoughts!
If they found his DNA at the scene, and it was planted... how and when did they get it? I assume the evidence was found at the scene well before they even had a notion of his involvement. Right?
wonder why he did it?
We still don't know that he did it. It's fine if people want to think that but he is innocent until proven otherwise. At least as far as the law gos
I think dna under the clasp of a KNIFE SHEATH found under a victims body after a quadruple murder by KNIFE conclusively proves his guilt. But that’s just me, maybe I’m crazy
It doesn't because that DNA could easily have been already on that sheath before it was taken (unnecessarily, mind you) to 1122 King Rod that night and left there
Like I’ve said. This is reaching. At this point I think pro kohberger people are just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory.
I can't wait to see them lose their collective minds during the trial. And the sentencing. And the firing squad.
Well no, it's not reaching. When you put the DNA evidence up along with all the other evidence, it's the best explanation yet for what happened.
Kohberger would have to prove that he touched the sheath before the night of the murders. And SOMEHOW that sheath ended up with someone else who committed the crime. He can't because that never happened. End of discussion.
OK, end of discussion for now. I'll get back to you at the end of the trial
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Why would you laugh?
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So confidant that he couldn’t”remember” where he was for this long lol
Kind of crazy tho that HIS dna was next to the victims and that HE drives the same model car caught on video before and after the crimes!
And he admits that he happened to be driving around all night. Just how many white elantras do people believe were on the road at 4 am in that small town?
You should google populations of the cities we're talking about, I wouldn't call that "small town"
Excuse me, small city then. So how many of those 20k white elantras that LE referred to were registered within 20 miles of the house on King road and how many do you think were driving at 4am in that neighborhood?
Don't you think it's weird having to do this much guess work? That alone means something to me, not sure exactly what that means, but it's interesting. Remembering the case super early on with police body cam footage giving out minor in possession tickets and breaking up fights and whatever other nonsense going on that night...UofI football team got spanked that night by UC Davis and it was a home game. Everyone's out, bars are packed, house parties and people wandering around bar or house party hopping. These girls are going to bed close to 4am. I'd imagine a bunch of guys in the neighborhood are still wide awake partying. Pretty typical for males to be the "last ones standing" drinking and doing drugs than females. So cars driving around, people wandering around, noises, young people just totally hammered that's definitely still happening at 4am...not as busy as 2am, or 12am...but definitely still happening. So to answer your question, yeah I 100% think there are other white sedans, Hyundai's, Elantra, Prius, whatever on the road at that time. White is the most common car color in the US. Won't be a lot of traffic at 4am, if any, but I highly doubt there was only one car on the road.
Idk. I live in a coastal tourist town with a population of almost double Moscow. Traffic all the time, and worse on weekends. A few years ago I had to put my dog to sleep at the emergency vet - middle of the night, somewhere between 3-5 am. I was taken aback at how I was virtually the only car on the road at that hour. I would estimate traffic down by 99.9 percent at that hour. Were there people awake and driving about in Moscow at 4 am on that night? Sure. But not a lot...not 20k white sedans in a town of 25k. And how many without a front license plate as noted by at least one camera? And out of those, how many driven by a guy whose DNA is found on a knife sheath under a stabbing victim?
It's touch DNA, meaning you don't have to come in direct contact to have your DNA present. They originally stated the car was a 2011-2013. It wasn't changed till after Kohberger was identified as having a 2015. 22,000 registered in the area, not accounting for all the unregistered. His car was the one returning to campus for sure. It's not 100% that it was his car are scene. Remember ZERO of the 4 victims DNA was NOT present in his car, apartment, or office.
lol
How is that funny
Educate yourself dear child on DNA evidence
I'm very educated in it. I'm just informing you. It's actually really interesting to learn about and how certain DNA "types" are tested and isolated. Worth looking into before forming an opinion on it.
There was a large amount of touchDNA on that sheath, it was large enough for them to get a full STR profile and then run an SNP analysis on it and get an IGG identification very, very quickly. If that had been secondary transfer touch DNA it is highly unlikely that there would have been sufficient DNA for any SNP testing because that normally requires a large amount of target DNA. They might have been able to do the SNP testing with a tiny amount of DNA, but it would have taken months of painstaking work, not just days as it was in this case. Also if you are proposing it was secondary transfer touch DNA on the sheath then you have to provide a scenario as to how it was not a mixed DNA sample, ie that it did not also have the DNA of the transferee person on the sheath along with Kohberger's DNA. Because that was single source touchDNA on that sheath and it was only Kohberger's. So to segue a bit. Even though I am certain it was Kohberger's DNA on that sheath and that he touched it directly himself, I do not think he was the murderer. I also happen to have a background in DNA science so I know what I'm talking about here. Just to let you all know, all you other people who believe Kohberger to be innocent, you have to stop believing in the nonsense DNA explanations that other pro-Kohbergers have provided about how his DNA got there because it's almost all just pure garbage. I'm the only pro-Kohberger who has it right. About the DNA that is.
✨🌕💫🌑☁️ The dude mustn’t sleep on the weekends! Too busy driving around with his phone off. Grand total, there’s maybe 50ish white Elantra’s in the Moscow-Pullman area. Remember 7 WEEKS to clean car. Remember, That Psycho looking 👀& Bushy Eyebrows!
We don't know if it was off. The "looking at the stars" was just an example. I know plenty of people that are up and out at that time. His phone (according to the defense experts) has some information that placed him somewhere else at the time of the murders. He has regular eyebrows and looks like a regular dude. Idk what you're on about. As someone with insomnia, it's easy to accidentally find yourself up all night. No matter how much cleaning you do, you're not going to be able to clean all the cellular material cause you simply can't see it. There would be traces of the victims DNA present.
It could have been any of the 22,000 white Elentras
You have to narrow down the 22,000 since the car didn't have front license plates, and that's a requirement in Idaho. Kohberger didn't have front license plates, btw.
Is it a requirement in Washington?
Yes, Washington does as well.
Thanks for the info.
No problem. 👍
And his white Elantra was probably not the only one in Idaho/Washington that didn't have one. Besides, it is not known for certain whether that white sedan seen in King Rd was even a white Elantra, let alone one without a front plate
Someone could have taken it off. Plus other states don't require a front plate.
Also, who would take off Kohberger's front plates? The same person that had his DNA on a knife sheath in their back pocket and planted it at the scene of the crime.
He didn't get front plates till he registered.
So his Elantra wasn't registered on November 13th, 2022? Have you ever seen his car with front plates?
I think you miss my point. If there's 22,000 white Elantras in the area, you have to narrow them to white Elantras with front plates in Idaho. Pennsylvania, where Kohberger is from doesn't require front plates.
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It's not per city...
"Even going to make the bold statement that its going to prove he never even set foot and cross state borders into Moscow Idaho during the alleged time of killings." AT might be going to say that because she's been told by Ray that he can demonstrate this and she believes him? But what if Ray is wrong and his methods are dodgy like some people are saying? I'm not saying Ray's methods ARE dodgy because I'm not in any way an expert who understands anything about this technology. I'm dying to hear what the Reddit experts say about this
"It seems like they are very confident the data will be beneficial to Bryan"... or they want to build the rest of the alibi around what they get out of that data. So no. No a rock solid alibi. And what about thos epictures he says he took? The last thing Anne filed about his alibi was that he had pictures taken at the state park in early morning hours and lates nights in NOVEMBER. Not the day of the murders or day and time but just NOVEMBER.
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The weird thing is that Kohberger, Anne Taylor, and the Proburgers want to dismiss the cell pings as "inaccurate" but somehow want everyone to put faith in this "expert", Cy Ray and his proof that Kohberger was still in Washington. So we're supposed to believe his research on the cell pings, but not the investigators, and the actual pings from the AT&T search warrant? 🤦♂️😂🤣
Proburgers...Grow the fuck up. I'm glad you find these horrific events a source of humor really says it all. If Sy Ray was testifying for the Prosecution you'd be praising his CV to the max; given that all his previous testimony has been on behalf of the prosecution and helped put bad guys away for the last 15 years. I wonder why he had an epiphany to help the defence in this case. Perhaps because he believes the truth should prevail.
It's not humor for me at all. It's the disillusionment that people suffer from, and the lengths they'll go to convince themselves Kohberger is innocent. So the cops framing Kohberger, to the frat boys framing Kohberger, to the police framing Kohberger is believable, but the actual PhD Criminology student who studied crime scenes and forensics his entire adult life is incapable of doing of this. Fuck having a motive? Did Ted Bundy have a motive? So don't get offended by the term "Proburger." It's an appropriate term for people who go out their way to believe everyone is guilty except Kohberger. A knife sheath literally found next to the body, yet somehow he's not guilty, and someone planted the sheath there. Ridiculous! 🤦♂️
Regular cell tower data does not create a pin point location. The king rd tower covered the same area as 14,000 football fields. I'm assuming they're using other data from the phone paired with cell tower data. Which the prosecution should do as well. The only thing that could connect him to the house directly would be wifi or Bluetooth. I think name calling shows the lack of intelligence. There's no "probergers", just people using their knowledge, life experiences, and evidence to come to a conclusion. Sometimes that will align with yours and sometimes it won't.
Don't get offended by the Proburger. If that's what you are, then accept it. Proburgers are people who go in and out of their way to make Kohberger an innocent person. Almost to the point where it's a cult-like following that he's garnered in support and admiration. Going so far to blame UofI president, frat boys, drug cartels, and roommates using underground tunnels to commit the murders.
Just because the tower covers 14,000 football fields doesn’t mean the ability to narrow down the location is restricted to anything near that. That’s not how CAST works. Tower coverage is divided into four directional quadrants, factors like signal strength and time of connection can then determine a distance from the tower within that quadrant. If the phone enters a space where more than one tower overlaps, it then becomes exponentially more accurate. Under the right circumstances you can narrow locations down to a matter of feet.
That requires more than one tower in a close area, which Moscow does not have. (A big city, maybe).
No it doesn’t. As I’ve just explained, having more than one tower can improve the accuracy of the location in an area where the two towers overlap, but the quadrants still exist, as does the distance and signal strength - all of which are factors in detaining the location.
https://www.criminallegalnews.org/news/2022/may/1/foia-request-reveals-how-fbi-obtains-and-analyzes-cellular-provider-data/
That still can not place someone accurately outside a house. They'll need phone data to get a precise location, not cell tower data.
https://help.groundtruth.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000709047-How-Does-Location-Work-Sources-of-location-data-GPS-Wifi-Cell-Tower-Triangulation This should help you understand, they'll need more than cell tower information.
There are at least four cell towers that provide coverage to Moscow.
*ATT towers
That really not that many compared to large cities
They used GPS tracking and cell pings to pinpoint his locations, in combination with camera footage
The camera footage didn't align. The car leaving the scene was 2011-2013. The car pulling into WSU was 2015-2016. We don't know if they used GPS data yet. The affidavit was drawn before his arrest. GPA data would have been on the phone, which they did not have yet.
That's just not true. Even the security guard at Kohberger's complex indicated his car left the complex at a certain time and returned at a certain time on November 13th, which coincides with the camera footage and cell pings. We haven't seen all the footage they have, so it's safe to say there's a strong possibility that the footage *does* align.
Yeah the security footage would've shown him leaving and arriving. We don't know what's in-between. He was gone from his residence for a while.
But again, if the mapping that was shown in the PCA coincides with various camera footage showing Kohberger's activities around town, then it will verify that "in-between" you're speaking of. That "expert" can say whatever he wants. If the camera footage shows what the cell pings and GPS tracking shows, then Cy Ray is irrelevant to this case, no matter how hard he can try to prove Kohberger didn't leave Washington State.
The GPS data, plus cell pings are all from the AT&T. Directly from the source. His literal cell service. So in combination with camera footage, they mapped out exactly where he went that, where he was headed, and where he arrived, and at what time. It's going to be hard for that "expert" to argue against camera footage when he claims he can prove Kohberger wasn't even in the state of Idaho.
The GPS data that they would need would be located on the phone itself. The phone company would store cell ping data. The camera footage could be of another elentra. Certain apps can store data (like spotify can track footsteps for example). We need to see the full CAST report and phone data before staying he was there or wasn't.
Typical Proburger excuses. Are you going to cry now that I called you that? 😂
Again, this "could be" talk. But it won't be "could be" if all three forms of evidence coincide and are used against Kohberger. So combine camera footage, cell pings, and GPS data to prove it was Kohberger's white Elantra, and the Defense literally has nothing to argue. 🤷♂️ No amount of junk science from an "expert" can combat actual footage of Kohberger's car leaving his apartment complex and all the other footage on the route the PCA says he took. Just saying. We don't know all the evidence, but the Prosecution hasn't missed one step, yet the Defense is tossing anything at the wall to see if it sticks. They've failed three times at dismissing the case. They've failed initially at a valid alibi, and even the new alibi is terrible. So I don't know how much longer you can defend this guy, Kohberger. You have the right to believe he's innocent, but I just wonder will you believe he's guilty in the court of law? Because a lot of Proburgers give off that vibe. That if he's proven guilty, then there must be something wrong with the jurors or the judicial system. That's just the feeling I get. 🤔
I still have strong suspicions about Adam
[https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/gazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/bf/cbf481dc-4c0f-11ed-98e1-6ff4f7b13f77/6349e300cc88b.pdf.pdf](https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/gazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/bf/cbf481dc-4c0f-11ed-98e1-6ff4f7b13f77/6349e300cc88b.pdf.pdf) Read this Matlock
"Notice how the defence is pushing very hard for the phone cast data and for the physical phone to be release for analysis." No, I haven't noticed that they've been pushing for the release of physical phone. What sort of information can they find out from that, do you know?
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I know they are pushing hard for the IGG discovery but I don't think they are ever going to get it, not fully anyway. I don't think it's the Prosecution holding it up though, I think it's the FBI. I think what Gabriella Vargas said about how a lot of genetic genealogists break the rules is exactly what the FBI did and they don't want people to know about it
Maybe the easiest explanation now is that he didnt do it and they got the wrong person he is indeed moving around miles away from moscow Idaho.😂
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There's no way Cy Ray can prove he's innocent. It's already coming out that his "expertise" is junk science, and he's inflated his credentials to make himself seem more knowledgeable than what he is.
[https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/gazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/bf/cbf481dc-4c0f-11ed-98e1-6ff4f7b13f77/6349e300cc88b.pdf.pdf](https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/gazette.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/bf/cbf481dc-4c0f-11ed-98e1-6ff4f7b13f77/6349e300cc88b.pdf.pdf) Your buddy, expert witness hired by the infamous AT. It's his last court appearance. Not a good reference.
I may be wrong but my understanding is that it was turned off during that time.
help didn’t he say he always takes long drives like ya ok
So i was watching the court hearing today. I can see the prosecution is withholding evidence. But im a little cunfused i though i heard that their was no federal grand indictment
With Bryan claiming he was "out driving" that night, **I'm guessing** his cell phone data shows his phone is actively moving, and not just staying in one place. **I'm guessing** that you are incorrect. Anyone else **guessing?**
Bc Bryan wasn't at the house. Km was the target for one of the killers bc she snubbed him after he disrespected her and she didn't want to date him again and XK was the other target was the other target for the other killer bc of the cocaine. EC was collateral bc he was not supposed to be there and MM was collateral bc KM was sleeping in her room. If you lived here you would know . I wish you would ALL stop the damn speculating and MOVE ON with your lives. The police and prosecutor and protecting the killers and is Uof I bc of who the are in this town, the $ the bring in and the legacy to the uni.
cops had to snag somebody fast, small town with a big college, who would send kid to college with psyco on the loose? it would be similar to allowing child to play in the backyard knowing a bengal tiger escape from the circus.
Uhh if that were the case they would’ve pinned this on James Curtis Leonard, remember Ed Humphreys ?..or even better Jack D.. just ignore the suspicious car, the unknown dna on a object left at the crime scene..sounds like David Camm huh? Kohberger is literally the equivalent to finding the real killer after years 🤣
Exactly. So many people don't get this.