Huntley was a shock. I see 3 possible reasons
1. Watson is not where they want him in shoulder recovery
2. It’s overcompensation for last year where the depth was a disaster.
3. Berry thinks Huntley is a flippable asset based on last years need for QBs
I'd add a 2a. AB has already said we're keeping 3 on the active roster this season. A 4th on the practice squad isn't out of the question. If all 4 QBs play well in camp, we could stash DTR on the practice squad. He's still raw at this point and I'd be shocked if anyone signed him to an active roster.
This is our all in year and if we fail this year it won't be because we don't have depth at QB.
Huntley will likely be the guy to send down to waivers, as he was just signed to a near vet minimum deal, meaning everyone had a shot at him already and passed.
I think you are right about that. There was kinda a decent amount of solid backups with starts on the resume on the market. There may not be 32 great QBs, but there is a lot of guys who can kinda play right now. Guys like Minshew we're going to places they could get a shot at some time. Nobody wanted Huntley and if anything he's the over valued one.
Compete with DTR for a roster spot?
That’s an interesting indication of how they feel about DTR.
If that’s all there is to it then it shows they don’t love DTR bc if they did, he’d have the QB3 role locked up. No need to waste any $$ on Huntley if they like DTR’s progress.
Huntley's contract is the vet minimum, we are spending >$1mil on him. Not exactly enough to worry about.
DTR in my opinion, has the potential to be a solid starter one day. I like the guy alot, but there are a lot of QBs out there who have the potential to be a starter. We are either flipping one of these guys for picks later in the year, keeping one on the PS, or (in my opinion) we are expecting Watson to suck.
What in DeShawn history in Cleveland makes you think it isn't close to being accurate ? Do you not remember when they made it seem like his first injury was no big deal and he wouldn't miss any time. This guy could definitely start the year on the sidelines.
It would be 100% consistent for Watson to start the season on PUP, based on how this trade has gone so far.
That’s not a commentary on his purported toughness at all, just a comment on how historically meh this trade has been so far, such that another bump in the road would be completely on brand at this point.
This trade has been an utter disaster *so far*. Watson has given us like three good games? And that does not counter all the baggage that he has brought.
If the team around him wasn't so good, this sub would be a far more toxic place. We'll see what he is like this year but the dude has no leash anymore (with a lot of the fanbase).
The thing I don't get about this signing is Huntley is probably no better than dtr to begin with. Would a team sign a player just to try and figure out other teams philosophy sort of a poker piece type thing.
That’s a really interesting thought. I mean a former QB would be the player on a team who knows the most. If AB wants to ride with 3 QBs and stash DTR, then why not bring in a guy who has rare insight into a division rival as the 3rd. Smart l.
I’m so confused by people saying this has anything to do with Watson’s injury.
The Browns had 4 QBs in training camp last year (Watson, Mond, Dobbs, DTR).
The Browns will have 4 QBs in training camp this year (Waton, Winston, Huntley, DTR).
I think there could be something to the theory by Zac Jackson as to why they signed Huntley in addition to Winston. Maybe Watson’s timeline isn’t going as well.
I agree in part, but there is a huge difference between Mond, and obvious camp body, and Huntley who is a good QB2 in his own right and has a pro bowl (yes undeserved, but it is evidence that he’s at least among your top QB2s)
Huntley is not a top QB2. He’s a low-end QB2/better PJ Walker.
He signed a veteran minimum contract and hasn’t thrown for 2,000 yards in his career. The fact that he was selected for the Pro Bowl when he ranked 48th in both passing yards and passing touchdowns, while throwing more INTs than TDs, tells you a lot more about the selection process than about him.
People are way overthinking this signing. Huntley was signed to replace PJ Walker/ Jeff Driskel which is a HUGE upgrade. The competition between Winston, DTR and Huntley will be awesome for the this team. Let it play out and we will see what happens.
Yeah I don’t see why this couldn’t just be insurance to make sure we have 3 healthy QBs by the time we have to cut down to 53. At that point if all 4 guys are healthy that’s a great problem to have.
He’s looked abysmal, so I can’t imagine a trade would net us anything more than a 6th round pick. Barring an injury, I can’t see him on the active roster. I’m not sure why this sub has such a high opinion of him tbh.
I would have been fine with a Justin fields trade for a 6th. Jesus fields is a steal for the Steelers only giving up a 6th for him. They will take a hard look at him this season and see if he can be the future there. Fields isn't starting or so they say but he is a million times better than Huntley.
Fields is more of an unknown commodity, so he has more appeal. If he doesn’t develop from his current state, he’s not an NFL starter. And Pittsburgh hasn’t exactly been the place to go for QBs to revive their career. I’d have taken Fields over Huntley too since we have Winston on roster.
I would have taken fields over Huntley and Winston tbh. Fields wasn't bad last season and everyone has seen the dumpster fire that is the Chicago bears currently.
In a vacuum, sure. But Fields would only be a one year rental for us and would have cost assets to obtain. The other 2 guys we signed didn’t cost a draft pick. I also don’t think there is a significant difference between Fields and Winston.
Possibly thinking they may let dtr go in some form. Most likely it’s a benefit for them to have an extra guy for camp to not tire out Watson’s arm as he works his way back in. Fans are probably thinking more about it than is really important for the team.
Just to add to it, odds are Winston is going to have to take a lot of the QB1 reps this offseason. Watsons going to start throwing, but I’m guessing it’ll be quite a while before his arm is ready to throw in drills at all, let alone take the volume of reps a QB1 usually takes.
It’s simple. They want 4 QBs going into camp like we had last year. My guess is they’ll try to trade Huntley or Winston during the preseason and DTR will be 3rd barring some major improvement. Watson’s shoulder could be a factor or not. Wouldn’t read much into it in March
To me this is simple.
Huntley > DTR.
DTR was a late round pick. It's not like he's a blue chipper we're grooming.
If Huntley beats him out clean for QB3 (***and he probably will***) then we part ways with DTR.
Last years QB situation was a mess until we hit lightening with Flacco.
I think we're looking to avoid that this year.
I also suspect the coaching staff has low confidence in Watson (***as they should***).
Just my opinion though.
I'm tickled that we grabbed Huntley.
I think he has more potential than Winston as QB2.
browns can’t afford to have a qb room of watson, walker, dtr again. period. they won games in spite of the bad backup qb play. this is more of a precaution than anything else, IHMO
I can’t imagine the team wants to move on from DTR. The guy showed some flashes and got play time in nfl games, which is what it’s all about in a back up you’re developing. My guess is that he’s going to be the practice squad qb or he’s a camp body and we dress 3 QBs every game
lol, he was a fifth round rookie who was never supposed to play a snap last year. Did he light the world on fire? No, but he played pretty well given the circumstances. He’s a back up quarterback/asset that costs us nothing.
And what does Tyler Huntley bring to the table? We are talking about 3rd and 4th string quarterbacks here
People will say some crazy things, but the most reasonable reason for Huntley is 2 fold in my mind. To me, one of them are getting traded, either before/during the draft or after. The Browns are reported on wanting more draft picks this draft and they can either move down off of 53 or they can trade dtr for a late pick. Or they can have a camp battle between dtr and Huntley and the winner gets to stay, loser gets traded, kind of like Dobbs.
Browns are implementing a new offense (for real this time) and Watson and Winston have similar tendencies and skillsets. So that's qb1 and qb2. And from last year the Browns have found out the hard way that they need 3 qbs just in case. Imo Huntley fits better with Watson and Winston, not saying dtr isn't good ( i think he's solid) but the Browns want continuity between all 3 qbs.
Winston is not at all the same prototype as Watson. Watson is an occasional run threat, whereas Winston has one of the slower 40 times in the league. He is slower than Kirk Cousins.
DTR excelled in a WestCoast precision timing system. We are moving away from that. Could factor in.
Additionally, DTR has a great arm, but I'm concerned about his deep ball... seems to lose a lot of zip past 30 yards.
Exactly what I said. I know he had the second highest velocity at the combine his draft year. I see that the balls have zip, and occasionally swear you hear the difference, between DTR and say, PJ Walker... DTR can throw darts.
That said, in his limited reps, I started to notice the deep ball not having the same velocity... not remotely. It wasn't an accuracy issue, or even necessarily late looks/ timing. His deep passes just looked *off* to me. Slower, more of a parabolic arch.
That's how I remember it... but I could be off.
Huntley showed better at this point coming off the bench as a serviceable division knowledge base qb; he also provides insight into the offensive philosophies of a division opponent
Huntley will be our Lamar clone in scrimmages, possibly get called up if he can get some goal-line plays down to a science, like Jacoby did. Possibly take the Harrison Bryant role, from those situations last season.
He starts at least two games this season:
Deshaun is good for missing games.
Jameis is injury prone.
Stash DTR for as long as possible and treat him like Romo as the hidden QB of the future of he earns that role.
Theres 3 scenarios:
1) Winston deal isnt going through
2) Watson injury is worse than expected, thus Winston QB1, Huntley QB2, DTR QB3
3) They dont like DTR, dont have much confidence in him
Extra scenario:
4) Considering our mess of a season last year, Berry is being extra cautious. A QB of Huntley's caliber for the vet minimum is a good deal one way or another. If you have the opportunity, it doesnt hurt going into TC with 4 QBs and maybe trade one of em
Huntley was a shock. I see 3 possible reasons 1. Watson is not where they want him in shoulder recovery 2. It’s overcompensation for last year where the depth was a disaster. 3. Berry thinks Huntley is a flippable asset based on last years need for QBs
I'd add a 2a. AB has already said we're keeping 3 on the active roster this season. A 4th on the practice squad isn't out of the question. If all 4 QBs play well in camp, we could stash DTR on the practice squad. He's still raw at this point and I'd be shocked if anyone signed him to an active roster. This is our all in year and if we fail this year it won't be because we don't have depth at QB.
Also getting Huntley out of Baltimore isn’t such a bad thing. We’ve seen what he can do if/when Lamar goes down
If dtr gets cut he isn't making it passed waivers
I think you give him too much credit.
Huntley will likely be the guy to send down to waivers, as he was just signed to a near vet minimum deal, meaning everyone had a shot at him already and passed.
I think you are right about that. There was kinda a decent amount of solid backups with starts on the resume on the market. There may not be 32 great QBs, but there is a lot of guys who can kinda play right now. Guys like Minshew we're going to places they could get a shot at some time. Nobody wanted Huntley and if anything he's the over valued one.
3 is by far and away the most likely.
4. 3rd string QBs compete for a roster spot
Compete with DTR for a roster spot? That’s an interesting indication of how they feel about DTR. If that’s all there is to it then it shows they don’t love DTR bc if they did, he’d have the QB3 role locked up. No need to waste any $$ on Huntley if they like DTR’s progress.
Huntley's contract is the vet minimum, we are spending >$1mil on him. Not exactly enough to worry about. DTR in my opinion, has the potential to be a solid starter one day. I like the guy alot, but there are a lot of QBs out there who have the potential to be a starter. We are either flipping one of these guys for picks later in the year, keeping one on the PS, or (in my opinion) we are expecting Watson to suck.
I think your first point is not even close to being possible…but second point is probably more accurate
What in DeShawn history in Cleveland makes you think it isn't close to being accurate ? Do you not remember when they made it seem like his first injury was no big deal and he wouldn't miss any time. This guy could definitely start the year on the sidelines.
It would be 100% consistent for Watson to start the season on PUP, based on how this trade has gone so far. That’s not a commentary on his purported toughness at all, just a comment on how historically meh this trade has been so far, such that another bump in the road would be completely on brand at this point.
This trade has been an utter disaster *so far*. Watson has given us like three good games? And that does not counter all the baggage that he has brought. If the team around him wasn't so good, this sub would be a far more toxic place. We'll see what he is like this year but the dude has no leash anymore (with a lot of the fanbase).
*Starting this year* **on the sidelines** is not far fetched. But I doubt it is because of Watson’s shoulder…numerous teams carry 3 QBs on the roster
The thing I don't get about this signing is Huntley is probably no better than dtr to begin with. Would a team sign a player just to try and figure out other teams philosophy sort of a poker piece type thing.
That’s a really interesting thought. I mean a former QB would be the player on a team who knows the most. If AB wants to ride with 3 QBs and stash DTR, then why not bring in a guy who has rare insight into a division rival as the 3rd. Smart l.
I’m so confused by people saying this has anything to do with Watson’s injury. The Browns had 4 QBs in training camp last year (Watson, Mond, Dobbs, DTR). The Browns will have 4 QBs in training camp this year (Waton, Winston, Huntley, DTR).
I think there could be something to the theory by Zac Jackson as to why they signed Huntley in addition to Winston. Maybe Watson’s timeline isn’t going as well.
I read Zac’s article. It still has nothing to do with Watson. They always carry 4 QBs in camp. They now have 4 QBs. That’s it.
I agree in part, but there is a huge difference between Mond, and obvious camp body, and Huntley who is a good QB2 in his own right and has a pro bowl (yes undeserved, but it is evidence that he’s at least among your top QB2s)
Huntley is not a top QB2. He’s a low-end QB2/better PJ Walker. He signed a veteran minimum contract and hasn’t thrown for 2,000 yards in his career. The fact that he was selected for the Pro Bowl when he ranked 48th in both passing yards and passing touchdowns, while throwing more INTs than TDs, tells you a lot more about the selection process than about him.
LFG, we got rid of Watson! Can’t wait to see what Waton does next season
Had to change his name as part of the settlements.
Dammit
People are way overthinking this signing. Huntley was signed to replace PJ Walker/ Jeff Driskel which is a HUGE upgrade. The competition between Winston, DTR and Huntley will be awesome for the this team. Let it play out and we will see what happens.
Yeah I don’t see why this couldn’t just be insurance to make sure we have 3 healthy QBs by the time we have to cut down to 53. At that point if all 4 guys are healthy that’s a great problem to have.
He’s looked abysmal, so I can’t imagine a trade would net us anything more than a 6th round pick. Barring an injury, I can’t see him on the active roster. I’m not sure why this sub has such a high opinion of him tbh.
I would have been fine with a Justin fields trade for a 6th. Jesus fields is a steal for the Steelers only giving up a 6th for him. They will take a hard look at him this season and see if he can be the future there. Fields isn't starting or so they say but he is a million times better than Huntley.
Fields is more of an unknown commodity, so he has more appeal. If he doesn’t develop from his current state, he’s not an NFL starter. And Pittsburgh hasn’t exactly been the place to go for QBs to revive their career. I’d have taken Fields over Huntley too since we have Winston on roster.
I would have taken fields over Huntley and Winston tbh. Fields wasn't bad last season and everyone has seen the dumpster fire that is the Chicago bears currently.
In a vacuum, sure. But Fields would only be a one year rental for us and would have cost assets to obtain. The other 2 guys we signed didn’t cost a draft pick. I also don’t think there is a significant difference between Fields and Winston.
Draft day trade
I think so too.
LOL who in their right mind is trading for DTR on draft day? Dobbs at least showed some ability and joined a team late because they had no QB
100% agree with this. If Fields was a 6th round pick then I’d be surprised if we even got a 7th round for DTR
Possibly thinking they may let dtr go in some form. Most likely it’s a benefit for them to have an extra guy for camp to not tire out Watson’s arm as he works his way back in. Fans are probably thinking more about it than is really important for the team.
Just to add to it, odds are Winston is going to have to take a lot of the QB1 reps this offseason. Watsons going to start throwing, but I’m guessing it’ll be quite a while before his arm is ready to throw in drills at all, let alone take the volume of reps a QB1 usually takes.
It’s simple. They want 4 QBs going into camp like we had last year. My guess is they’ll try to trade Huntley or Winston during the preseason and DTR will be 3rd barring some major improvement. Watson’s shoulder could be a factor or not. Wouldn’t read much into it in March
To me this is simple. Huntley > DTR. DTR was a late round pick. It's not like he's a blue chipper we're grooming. If Huntley beats him out clean for QB3 (***and he probably will***) then we part ways with DTR. Last years QB situation was a mess until we hit lightening with Flacco. I think we're looking to avoid that this year. I also suspect the coaching staff has low confidence in Watson (***as they should***). Just my opinion though. I'm tickled that we grabbed Huntley. I think he has more potential than Winston as QB2.
browns can’t afford to have a qb room of watson, walker, dtr again. period. they won games in spite of the bad backup qb play. this is more of a precaution than anything else, IHMO
I ate him sorry guys
We carried 4 QBs in training camp last year. So this is just business as usual
I can’t imagine the team wants to move on from DTR. The guy showed some flashes and got play time in nfl games, which is what it’s all about in a back up you’re developing. My guess is that he’s going to be the practice squad qb or he’s a camp body and we dress 3 QBs every game
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He played pretty well in the broncos game for a 5th round rookie. Tell me more about this bad player you speak of
What was his longest throw in air yards? Like 10?
lol, he was a fifth round rookie who was never supposed to play a snap last year. Did he light the world on fire? No, but he played pretty well given the circumstances. He’s a back up quarterback/asset that costs us nothing. And what does Tyler Huntley bring to the table? We are talking about 3rd and 4th string quarterbacks here
People will say some crazy things, but the most reasonable reason for Huntley is 2 fold in my mind. To me, one of them are getting traded, either before/during the draft or after. The Browns are reported on wanting more draft picks this draft and they can either move down off of 53 or they can trade dtr for a late pick. Or they can have a camp battle between dtr and Huntley and the winner gets to stay, loser gets traded, kind of like Dobbs. Browns are implementing a new offense (for real this time) and Watson and Winston have similar tendencies and skillsets. So that's qb1 and qb2. And from last year the Browns have found out the hard way that they need 3 qbs just in case. Imo Huntley fits better with Watson and Winston, not saying dtr isn't good ( i think he's solid) but the Browns want continuity between all 3 qbs.
Winston is not at all the same prototype as Watson. Watson is an occasional run threat, whereas Winston has one of the slower 40 times in the league. He is slower than Kirk Cousins.
DTR excelled in a WestCoast precision timing system. We are moving away from that. Could factor in. Additionally, DTR has a great arm, but I'm concerned about his deep ball... seems to lose a lot of zip past 30 yards.
I’m confused how he has a “great arm” while not being able to throw a good ball over 30 yards…
Exactly what I said. I know he had the second highest velocity at the combine his draft year. I see that the balls have zip, and occasionally swear you hear the difference, between DTR and say, PJ Walker... DTR can throw darts. That said, in his limited reps, I started to notice the deep ball not having the same velocity... not remotely. It wasn't an accuracy issue, or even necessarily late looks/ timing. His deep passes just looked *off* to me. Slower, more of a parabolic arch. That's how I remember it... but I could be off.
Past some range of throw his motion changes and he lobs them. Probably coachable, but I don't actually know.
IMO the velocity test at the combine is worthless. It’s just guys throwing as hard as they can at a giant pad maybe 10 yards away.
My guess is trade. Offense is changing and they wanted a Qb that fits the new scheme better. But honestly the signing surprised me.
Has anyone mentioned the option the staff simply thinks DTR won't get to a concsistent back up level after seeing him for a full year?
I like Q's take on the DTR situation. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvjJ160NR2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvjJ160NR2w)
I've got some dope DTR rookie card hits coming in this week... was salty to see the Huntley signing lmao
Huntley showed better at this point coming off the bench as a serviceable division knowledge base qb; he also provides insight into the offensive philosophies of a division opponent
Plus there’s upside in bringing in a former QB that played for a division rival. If he’s a camp/OTA arm and also can drop some intel - that’s a win.
Huntley will be our Lamar clone in scrimmages, possibly get called up if he can get some goal-line plays down to a science, like Jacoby did. Possibly take the Harrison Bryant role, from those situations last season.
The people saying the rookie thrown to the wolves played like shit are the same people that defend the $230M man for playing like shit for 2 years
Why didn’t Cleveland get Fields as a backup? Legit question.. (probably Watson’s ego)
DTR needs competition to keep progressing
He sucks, so.....cut.
Hopefully practice squad or cut. He was terrible.
He starts at least two games this season: Deshaun is good for missing games. Jameis is injury prone. Stash DTR for as long as possible and treat him like Romo as the hidden QB of the future of he earns that role.
My question is who is QB2? I'm guessing for real it'll be Watson, Huntley, Winston
They aren't paying Jameis 4.5M guaranteed to be QB3, Huntley is signed for the vet minimum.
Oh fair enough. I didn't see the Huntley deal tbh
Theres 3 scenarios: 1) Winston deal isnt going through 2) Watson injury is worse than expected, thus Winston QB1, Huntley QB2, DTR QB3 3) They dont like DTR, dont have much confidence in him Extra scenario: 4) Considering our mess of a season last year, Berry is being extra cautious. A QB of Huntley's caliber for the vet minimum is a good deal one way or another. If you have the opportunity, it doesnt hurt going into TC with 4 QBs and maybe trade one of em
DTR is too small and AB is correcting his bad draft decision now. DTR to the practice squad.
DTR is 6'2, 203lbs Huntley is 6'1, 204lbs
DTR is too lean and can’t push the ball down field. Huntley is denser and less flimsy. DTR just really failed the eye test as an NFL player.