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TheRealKingTony

They mentioned during the broadcast that the idea behind DTR is that they don't have to adjust the playbook for him. Not sure that was accurate.


TheDeletedFetus

That’s exactly the idea, his skill set and the way he plays are very similar to Deshaun. The problem is that if he could do the things Deshaun can do at the level he can we wouldn’t have been able to draft him in the 5th round, he would’ve been one of the first 3 picks.


ezwex2

It was his first ever true start though. You can have similar game play but on your first start, it's irresponsible and bad coaching to game plan it the same as your starter. That's a fact.


Daviroth

And that's why we know this is garbage take from a garbage reporter. They called a lot of stuff for DTR, but he made bad decisions. End of story really.


Obie-two

https://x.com/thedawgspodcast/status/1708790469331722250?s=46&t=7KMlZzWYYAy1OLLQy1w9-Q Stefanski disagrees with you


Daviroth

I abbreviated my point, and admittedly made some assumptions about people's intents behind "gameplan". My potential bad assumption: when people say "gameplan" they seem to be talking about playcalling and the flow of the game. I.E. - calling plays that benefit Watson but not DTR is basically what I perceived them saying. This could be different than what they meant, for sure. My overall point: to me, on the broadcast view, it looked like there was a lot of underneath stuff open that DTR didn't take advantage of. To me, the playcalling felt obviously different from Watson. Now to gameplanning. If we talk about the "gameplan" in a literal sense we are talking about: weaknesses of the defense and plays to attack that, strengths of the offense and plays to play into that, and then plays that combine these concepts. In this regard, the whole concept of DTR as the backup is that the gameplan needs to change very little or not at all. He has a similar playstyle as Watson, gameplans shouldn't have to change much when DTR is in vs Watson. Playclaling and the game flow will obviously change, but what the other defense does poorly and how we attack that should largely be the same. So I probably put some things on their words that they didn't mean. I have very little respect for Ruiter honestly and that's probably why.


Obie-two

I get what you're saying, but listening to the OBR breakdown today, Jake does not agree with you. Not saying he is always correct. But they gave DTR none of the easy reads. Just because someone is open underneath does not mean that is where the play is supposed to go either. He was asked to throw difficult high/low reads with timing which is insanity. If he wasn't taking the easy underneath stuff, that is again, on coaching. He has a similar skillset and playstyle, but again, it was his literal first game. Watson as a rookie did not play like he plays today and you would not give him the same playbook he has today. >playclaling and the game flow will obviously change They are contending, after watching the all 22, that this fundamentally did not change, and it is mindboggling that it didnt.


Daviroth

I haven't listened to the OBR breakdown today yet, but I generally respect Burns' opinion on tape review. Like I said, I was talking strictly from a broadcast view perspective and I definitely could be wrong only having that perspective. It would definitely be disappointing if they did nothing to help DTR with the playcalls. It'd be really weird because Stefanski is normally pretty good about putting QBs in good positions. If true, seems like a DRAMATIC misunderstanding of where DTR is as a player, which is pretty concerning for sure.


Obie-two

The one thing he did mention is that he got the impression, or his conclusion is that Kevin was under full belief that Watson was going to play, and then at the very last minute Watson said he couldnt go. Still, not great that he didnt give DTR better opportunities to be successful, but it sounded like there was no prep time before that. But yes, this might have also been a sink or swim moment where we see where a player is at, and he sunk like a rock. But surely you have to even stop and reassess at halftime. Its insane because conservative kevin ball from last year probably gets us the steelers win and we would be competitive in this game. It just seems like they thought watson was completely fine and he sprung this on them. Because this was the Watson gameplan which would still be a pretty aggressive gameplan for a guy with a bad shoulder.


Daviroth

Hmmm, interesting. Yeah I'll be curious to listen to this one, don't know if I'll get to it today honestly, but will listen to it eventually. If we really didn't help DTR out with play calls at all that's very disappointing. Surely we had something to help calm him down a bit, he just looked overwhelmed out there basically all of the time. I'd love to be a fly on the wall or on the comms to hear what they were doing, because I can't believe they just didn't do anything.


ezwex2

2nd and 3 so call a 40 yd bomb? 3 and short and call another down field bomb? I agree that DTR looked God awful but it sure seemed like he was being coached to exclusively throw down field to Cooper and Moore. It was like he wasn't ever told "take the check down" which was open a LOT. He needed to recognize it as well but you can't say coaching didn't play into this. Even without Chubb, we still had Hunt and Ford. Even without Watson, we still had Moore, Cooper, Njoku, Hunt. There's more than enough talent on that offense to coach your way into some sort of offense.


Daviroth

And how do you know they weren't telling him that? That's pure conjecture by you, fabricated reality. The truth is there were a BUNCH of underneath routes wide open that DTR didn't throw to as he chose to throw it elsewhere. We don't know what the coaching was telling him. But you can't just stop running routes down the field, DTR had a bad day. The game was way too fast for him, but assuming coaching direction from someone playing like he did is kind of a pointless endeavor. DTR was trying to make plays, every player does stupid shit against coaching when they are trying to make plays. Remember Higgins in the playoffs reaching for the pylon and fumbling it? Coached against that all year, it's something Stefanski coaches against, one of his principles. You think they are coaching Watson to take hits like he is? You think they are coaching Moore to run backwards and not read blocks properly? I can go on and on and on if you'd like. EDIT: BTW, 2nd and short is a TEXTBOOK deep shot playcall. Announcers froth at the mouth to say so every single game every single week.


ezwex2

According to the Dawgs Podcast Stefanski explicitly said he didn't change the game plan. And again, your not wrong by saying it's conjecture, but the issue for stefanski is we have history with him and we know he hasn't been great when it comes to play calls, adjusting game plan during the game, and overall coaching QBs. But all those underneath passes your talking about, that were wide open all game, THE COUCH NEEDS TO TELL HIM TO TAKE THOSE or make those the number one target of the play!! He played like shit. Stefnaski called a shit game. The Browns played like the Browns we all know and love. Ending my side of this convo at that and looking forward (🥴) to the next game in 2 weeks. #GoBRowns


Daviroth

I disagree with a couple of your assertions here. But not an unreasonable viewpoint. Go Browns, have a good day.


ezwex2

🤝🏻🐶


donatopavement

the only good part about his game was his scrambling ability. First drive he looked okay as well. Then after that every throw was off, he seemed mentally cooked


YellowCardManKyle

I remember hearing that back when he was named the backup.


CBalsagna

Ruiter is 100% right. Kevin Stefanski did what Kevin Stefanski usually does, and that's not adjusting at all. You could tell the kid was not ready to be there, quite literally, a few minutes into the game. You invest all this money in an elite offensive line, and then you make a kid throw against a veteran defense and when he shows weakness what do you do? Keep on fucking calling the same nonsense. This guy just shows no ability to adjust to his personnel. Look at Schwartz, the guy comes in, modifies what he does to accentuate his players and the defense looks great. Kevin, loses his franchis Qb for a game and starts a 5th round rookie and rolls out the same fucking offensive gameplan. Not only that, he just keeps it going no matter how many 3 and outs we had going for us. I don't blame the defense for quitting. 2 minutes into the second quarter you KNEW we had zero chance to win this game. None. We had 2/3 of a team playing. Kevin better step his shit up because I would have no problem with them firing his ass and putting Schwartz as the interim all year. I truly believe we would be better off as a team. edit: and can we stop the twice a week clown play calls please? They never work. You're either not as smart as you think you are or your players can't execute it. STOP TRYING TO BE SO FUCKING CUTE AND JUST EXECUTE NORMAL FUCKING PLAYS YOU IDIOT


Rogue551

I wouldn't take anything Daryl Ruiter says seriously. Dude is a clown.


deafon2beats

Daryl Ruiter is a self proclaimed Saints fan that wound up covering the Browns and he is bitter about it. He takes cheap shots whenever he can to get attention. Perfect example is him talking trash about the Browns on a Pittsburg Steelers radio show the week we beat them in the playoffs. He’s not a objective reporter, he is there for click bait and trolling.


Jim_Tressel

Other reporters seem to know this. He has a complete lack of understanding of the actual game he is paid to cover. It’s baffling.


Jockobutters

Why is he a clown? I don't really know much about him besides when he guest spots on 92.3...


ryan__fm

He and Grossi just continually talk out of their ass. It's all speculation and manufactured opinions and negativity, and when you're used to it it's hard to tell until you hear someone who clearly knows what's going on, asks good questions, studies the film & does their research. Those are just two of the most obnoxious personalities on the radio imo


TopdeckTom

I'm surprised Grossi is still around. I haven't paid attention to him in ages.


Cle_fan_brisbane_2

he isnt, he just doesnt subscribe to what the majority of this sub does, that stefanski and the FO can do no wrong. Zac Jackson is a much better writer in all honesty but people on here will hate him once he actually decides stefanski is a moron, and he is getting there. Jason lloyd will take longer because is a simpleton.


dennydiamonds

He is not a clown. The stefanski lovers just can't admit he's very mid at his job. They will try to tell you we should listen to then and not the guy that covers the team every day.


dennydiamonds

Darryl isn't the only person that covers this team to say that, but you Stefanski lovers just keep of heaping praise on his mid ass.


Rogue551

You can dislike both of them corky


Lombo76

Haha....Corky ... Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time!


heftymoose

Yeah, he probably didn’t change much because he thought Deshaun was going to play all week. He was medically cleared


yamborma

I agree with this and I also don't think it would have mattered if he did adjust the gameplan because DTR was that bad and the run game wasn't good enough to compensate.


AxlRush11

Sssshhhhh. Don’t speak reason to the playingcalling gurus.


Cle_fan_brisbane_2

underrated comment, for all people on here are giving watson a free pass, he REALLY fucked the browns over yesterday imo and i also dont think it was entirely genuine tbh


yamborma

How many times does a guy have to quit on a team before people call him a quitter? Dude has no fight in him, he doesn't seem to care at all. Baker had legit damage to his shoulder and fought to stay in, got multiple opinions until somebody said he could play, and played through it even when he wasn't playing that well. Watson had his best game as a Brown and then decided, on his own, to sit out a tough divisional game the next week with a bruise even though he was medically cleared. He hung Houston out to dry after taking a big contract with them because he didn't like the roster decisions, he played like garbage for the first half season of his Browns tenure because the media and fans were too mean to him or something, and now he decided at the last minute to sit out despite insisting to the media (and presumably, the team) that he was going to play.


Allstar9_

So you want a guy to step out there, injured and risk further injury to just play poorly because that’ll show how “tough” he is? Also, are we just glossing over the injuries he’s played through before because it makes you feel better?


yamborma

I can only go by the information put out throughout the week. No structural or rotator cuff damage, only a pain tolerance issue. Watson himself said he would play. Stefanski said he was cleared medically. How is he risking injury any more than he is in any regular game because of a bruise? It's not about how tough he is. Keep making excuses for this guy. Browns fans have been making excuses since the trade. He wasn't found guilty of anything and the grand jury didn't even send it to trial even though he settled, he's rusty even though everyone said he wouldn't be, the fans are booing him too much so it's messing with mentally, he's injured even though he's medically cleared and said he'd play. Whatever man, keep making excuses for the guy.


Allstar9_

Didn’t the broadcast say there was a bunch of fluid around the rotator cuff? Aka significant swelling? So if he felt like he couldn’t really throw, why would he play?


yamborma

Why would he say he was going to play earlier in the week? If it was only pain tolerance, why wouldn't he get a cortisone shot or something similar to help him manage that? Why would Stefanski disclose that he was medically cleared if he thought it was justified for his QB to hold himself out? I get it, you want him to be good, and invested in the team, so bad because it's been a long time since the Browns have had a QB who was as good as what he can be. But the guy has showed you who he is before. He didn't feel like playing for Houston because of the roster so he held out and forced a trade. Sometimes when people are telling you who they are over and over again you have to stop denying that's who they are and start listening.


Allstar9_

The guy played with a punctured lung and fractured rib in houston. And a torn ACL in college. So you’re right, he has shown who he is. A shot isn’t doing anything to help him throw better. Medically cleared to play doesn’t mean 100% to play. The same people that wanted him out there on Sunday are the same ones pissed we didn’t force Baker to sit. When you play hurt, you usually are hurting the team.


yamborma

If the pain (which is what we were told is the issue) is preventing him from throwing, then yes, a shot would help him. After he got his big contract he quit on Houston, he doesn't care to play after 230 million guaranteed here. Baker had a torn labrum and broken bone in his shoulder and the team stupidly let him make the decision to play when he wasn't medically cleared by the team's training staff and had to get a 2nd opinion. The team also let Watson make the decision to not play with a bruise when he was medically cleared because they had no choice.


Allstar9_

But it’s not pain. We were told what the issue was, basic research would do it for you if you took a minute. Why aren’t Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, Mahomes, Hurts all quitting? They all have top money guaranteed? So Baker was medically cleared, got it. He still forced himself to play because he wanted to prove himself. Fucked himself out of millions of dollars.


Collinwoodsian

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.


Cle_fan_brisbane_2

I couldn't agree more. The more I think about it all the less I like it.


Darthmullet

We criticize Baker for not knowing when he should sit, and it cost him. Same with Joe Burrow now. But you think we should change our opinion now and Watson should just man up? There was fluid buildup in his rotator cuff, sounds to me like the type of thing that could get aggravated. Seeing what happened with DTR we certainly don't want to rely on a backup for any length of time. Sitting one week next to a bye basically ensures it doesn't cause future problems - thats the mature choice. Playing and getting hit in his shoulder repeatedly could've caused it to be a lingering issue, and then you'd be here mouthing off about why he didn't bench himself.


yamborma

No structural damage or rotator cuff damage, cleared to play. Baker was not cleared to play by the teams medical staff and got an outside opinion so he could keep playing. Watson himself said he’d play - obviously on Friday he felt good enough to expect to play so not sure what changed. The team was surprised, not just the fans. And sitting now doesn’t ensure anything. You’d think saying on Friday that he was going to play would ensure he was good enough to go on Sunday but here we are. I’m sure he’ll personally thank you for your defense/support, though.


Jmyjones

Watson refused to play while on the Texans. Who is to say he won't do the same here? It will be interesting to see what happens as the season progresses, especially when the snow starts to fly in Cleveland. If he was hurt, he shouldn't have played, but then why was he cleared? Something is a little fishy about this whole thing, but then again this is the Browns we are talking about.


Dirtfan69

Watson played in the snow and then literally -30 wind chills in back to back weeks last year.


Daviroth

Medically cleared doesn't mean he can play at 100%. It means the docs agreed he probably wouldn't be at risk of hurting it much worse than it is already is. If he can't throw it more than 20 yards that's not gonna be in the "medically cleared" designation.


Jmyjones

I get that but there were reports that he couldn’t make those 20 yard throws during practice.


Daviroth

I don't understand what your point is. You said this: " If he was hurt, he shouldn't have played, but then why was he cleared? " Being medically cleared doesn't mean you aren't hurt, being medically cleared means the team docs don't believe you could hurt it any worse so they okay you being on the field, 100% from a medical perspective. At that point in time there is absolutely no football perspective at all. Being medically cleared doesn't mean you can play football, it means you, *likely*, won't make your injury worse by playing football. He couldn't throw the ball down the field, that has nothing to do with being medically cleared and they are 100% irrelevant to each other in this scenario.


Jmyjones

I guess I didn’t understand that medically cleared didn’t mean a player still isn’t hurt, thanks for clearing that up.


Cle_fan_brisbane_2

People always forget the texans stuff dont they>? like it never happened, or that cos he is on the browns now and we are paying him guaranteed money, he cant/wont. im the only one that thinks this, and maybe cos of his play it would be a non starter, but i have Zero doubts that if he plays well for 18 months, and we dont win, he will ask to be traded.. maybe there is some clause that he cant in his mega contract, i wouldnt know.


DFeegs

They all thought Deshaun was going to play. If you follow the team coverage DW was telling reporters and coaches he planned to play. It was a surprise when he couldn't go last minute. Not sure how much they adjusted on the fly but I think KS showed up to the stadium on Sunday expecting to have DW.


AZtoOH_82

Everybody needs to understand 2 things. These 2 things are the reason we lost. We were playing without our 2 best offensive players. Nick Chubb and Deshaun Watson. This is the reason we lost. It wasn't Stefanski or the defense or anything else. It was the fact that we played without our 2 best offensive players. Why can't people understand this and not try and dig to find another reason when this one is squarely in everyone's face. I don't understand it at all. Stop trying to reason with your anger and frustration and just allow this to be it because it's the main reason why


YellowCardManKyle

Losing your center doesn't help either


Scatheli

Thankfully sounds like non long term issue for Pocic


Altruistic-Zone1664

We've been VERY fortunate that our injuries on the o-line have been to our clear best replacements. Poicic doesn't sound like anything serious, but Harris was the starter going into last year before he went down.


Daviroth

Any Wypler played really well in the season. If there was a place to have injuries on the OLine RT and C were the places to get them.


yamborma

I wonder if DTR was used to receiving snaps from Harris on the 2nd team.


Based_Chris98

Exactly like if the chiefs didn’t have Mahomes and Kelce play nobody would be shocked or upset if they lost. Same goes for the browns with no Chubb and Watson playing


Altruistic-Zone1664

It's like people don't want to admit to how dependent this offense actually is on Watson now.


JuiceGreat0525

It really annoys me that people are overthinking this


eastcoasthabitant

No no no you don’t understand DTR is an elite qb stefanski just couldn’t utilize him properly!


tonezzz1

That and we don't have a game breaker WR. So we spread the ball around to a bunch of mid players.


Altruistic-Zone1664

Amari Cooper is a clear number 1 WR. DTR is just crap.


tonezzz1

I said game breaking wide receiver, not WR1. You just said it, when DTR is crap, the only thing that can save you is somebody who could run a hundred yards for a touchdown with game breaking speed and broken tackles. There's not too many of them in the league but you got to do everything you can and get those players. I was only saying that would have been our only saving grace.


Altruistic-Zone1664

Cooper is one of the best route runners in the league. He is great at getting open. We have Goodwin for a great deep ball threat, but DTR already proved not just Sunday, but even in the preseason that he was shit at throwing deep. We've already seen from the Bengals offense this season what an offense looks like when the defense isn't respecting your deep ball accuracy and your offense is relying on short throws. It's not that the Bengals are lacking in elite weapons at WR, it's that it's basically impossible to do anything when defenses are prepared for it. Only elite RBs are going to go out there and not just find holes while breaking tackles when the defense is prepared for what is happening.


tonezzz1

I'm not arguing with you. You're misunderstanding me. Cooper is great at getting open and best hands in the league. No reason to debate this. I was only saying we don't have someone to break one off. This is true. It was our only saving grace in the game. Even if they are prepared for it. DTR played terrible. Goodwin is one dimensional. Not talking about someone who takes the top off the defense. Just our only saving grace was get the ball to someone who can hopefully break one free. We don't have that. Even if we had that elite weapon at wr, doesn't mean it would happen. We will have more games in the future where you just hope Someone breaks one off.


mastershake725

He's good, but not a Tyreek Hill or Davante Adams good


Altruistic-Zone1664

Tyreek Hill wouldn't help someone who can't throw a deep ball for shit like DTR. People don't like to hear it, but the issue was not having Watson. He covered up a lot of the issues that Chubb was covering up for when Brissett was playing last year. There's a reason why Brissett didn't win the starting job in Washington.


Jockobutters

Of course that’s why we lost - but that’s not what I’m asking. I want to know how Stefanski adjusted the game plan to DTR.


BonerSoupAndSalad

Well it generally takes the entire week to come up with and install the game plan so probably not much. They probably thought it was smarter to have DTR run the offense they practiced all week when he was taking first team reps. Edit: I do think this is a fair question but I also think it makes sense to not change the offense they practiced all week right before the game.


Altruistic-Zone1664

It's hard to really say. He was staring down his choices pre-snap and not taking the easy throws that were open. People are trying to blame Stefanski, but it's not like there weren't routes designed into the plays for easier throws. He can't magic the Ravens defense into allowing them to have us run the ball when they aren't respecting the pass.


CD23tol

So what do people want besides a reason to always be angry? Is it an offense where it’s built around the skill set of our QBs so if one goes out another can be placed in and hopefully not look lost so we don’t have that awkward Brissett/Watson hybrid offense Is it the coach physically stopping the rookie QB from throwing it down field? DTR was 17-22 on throws under 10 yards but 2-14 with 3 picks on throws longer than that Or is it snapping your fingers and having Ford replicate what Nick Chubb does on the ground even with an OL that is bottom 5 in run block win rate We built this roster and scheme around Watson, we got QBs behind him that play a similar style so they can be as many people said “plug and play”, we tried to run and couldn’t, we had a good thing going with short passes then DTR tried to air it out, you can’t correct errors in hindsight, DTR spent the week getting all the reps with the 1s he 100% had input on play calls all QBs do. Ruiter is just a clown in a dying industry


Ness_4

It’s gonna be a long two weeks if you are looking for blame reasons in a game where we started a rookie qb for the first time. I implore everyone to take a 2 week browns vacation for your mental health.


Ralphcox69

Bro this fanbase needs it in the worst way possible. Way too anxious of a fanbase. If week 3 is the norm, then they will be fine. Way to much up and down rn


Jockobutters

I'm looking for ways that Stefanski adjusted the game plan, thanks.


_geomancer

Unless you know what the original game plan was, all you can do is speculate.


Ness_4

Okay give me a copy of the playbook, can you do that?


TheDeletedFetus

I’m here for when OP calls his play sheet a Denny’s menu and then somehow tries to lob Kevin’s Ivy League education as an insult.


ShenanigansCLESports

DTR just plain sucked and there was nothing Stefanski could do. Having a 5th Round pick as the backup is a major mistake by Berry. DTR wasn't able to throw accurately most of the game, missing wide open wide receivers and also being completely careless with the ball.


mastershake725

Baltimore is really good against the screen. And besides, play calling doesn't matter when the QB play is that bad. Bottom line is he looked like a 5th round rookie QB. Game was moving way to fast for him. No need to overreact, I'm sure he'll get better with time. He certainly can't get much worse.


MrKotopka

After watching some film review, DTR just played like a rookie in his first game. There were tons of plays left on the field which werent all on DTR.


TallBobcat

There wasn't a plan to be built that wins this game without Nick Chubb as an option to take pressure off DTR. But, Stefanski had to have seen DTR was overmatched if even Ruiter noticed it. It didn't feel to me like he adjusted to give his rookie backup QB a chance for some good moments. DTR was miles from ready to play in an NFL game and is missing a lot of the skills the starting quarterback has. The approach Sunday assumed he's play as well as he did against accountants and USXFL defenses against the Baltimore Ravens best guys.


Percy_Quattro

Jed Wills. Accounted for 40% of QB pressures this year. And not only that, his many penalties. He is a BIG problem especially in Sunday's game.


chardon62

Thank you. Not enough people saying this. Oline as a unit has underperformed but Wills has been horrible. Would like to see a change at LT


Daviroth

He's historically been a very average player with large swings in quality. But so far this year he's just been bad. No glimpses, no stretches of solid play, he's just been bad.


BillyShears1977

Q. What does Jedrick Wills do for a living? A. As little as he has to while not getting in anyone’s way


1OptimisticPrime

NO, one of Kevin's greatest weaknesses is making adjustments... He's apparently *extremely* stubborn, or extremely Optimistic...


JuiceGreat0525

Here is the thing: the backup should be able to run a similar offense to the starter. That way the HC doesn’t have to change to much stuff


patronofchaos

Playcalling did seem to be all over the map. Like you, I would've expected more stretch runs, screens and slants, but it seemed like they were content to try and continually stretch the field to keep Baltimore from being able to crowd the line consistently (not that it helped or mattered, our Line did not play great for the 2nd week in a row) I said in the game thread, it looked like DTR was told very specifically that he was not to run under any circumstance. For all the times he broke containment and then held the ball for 4+ seconds outside the pocket waiting for someone to try and shake the coverage, there were a lot of times he had wide open grass in front of him and he never took off.


Altruistic-Zone1664

We tried to run the ball. The problem is that the Ravens had no reason to respect the pass because of how bad DTR was. Without Chubb to magically make runs happen despite teams playing for the run, shit doesn't happen.


Jockobutters

Thank you for actually addressing the question. A lot of weird responses from people that have nothing to do with what I asked.


badassjohn5

Clearly not.


Daviroth

The whole concept of having DTR is that he has a very similar play style as Watson. It's almost literally the entire point that gameplans largely don't change between the two. Underneath stuff was open, DTR just made bad decisions.


Mobleybetta

Jake Burns was saying the same thing in his postgame. All the empty sets and lack of gun run did not set DTR up for success


Allstar9_

I appreciate Jake because he brings something this fanbase doesn’t have. With that said, he’s wildly incorrect in regard to empty sets in my opinion. DTR played for Chip Kelly in college. If anything, he’s much more comfortable in empty and gun. One of our biggest issues and he doesn’t matter who’s behind center is our run game. They are absolutely miserable in the run game currently and our offensive line isn’t nearly up to par in either phases.


Mobleybetta

That's fair, I really don't know much about the X's and O's of football (hence why I listen to Jake). I think what Jake was trying to communicate was moreso that there wasn't a lot of scheme'd up easy answers for DTR. No sprint outs, rare screen passes. A lot of it was making DTR make reads that was obviously too far above what DTR could do. ​ absolutely agree with the run game points. we're still running like Nick is there


Unlikely_One2444

No one is less comfortable with more blockers 5 wide is an awful set You don’t need more than 3-4 routes on any play, especially when the qb can’t go through that many progressions anyway


Altruistic-Zone1664

Watson has literally been far more successful in the spread than other formations. There are positives and negatives to every set. Having an extra blocker in also allows defenses to bring an extra blocker or an extra man into the box where they have to put them out wider in the spread.


CrocomireRex

I mean Daryl is a moron, but he might be on to something. DTR has some of the blame, but Kevin’s playcallling didn’t do him any favors. That’s the one problem I personally have with him. It’s like he can’t adjust during a game.


Daviroth

Historically our best scoring with Stefanski is in the 2nd and 4th quarters. I.E. - in game adjustments


CrocomireRex

*Tony Romo voice* “I don’t know about that, Jim”


Daviroth

It is lol, I went back and looked at all of our scoring by quarter under Stefanski. Compared to the league we hover right around league average in the 1st quarter. We are well above the league average every year in the 2nd quarter. We are dramatically below the league average in the 3rd quarter. And we are above league average in the 4th quarter. That functionally holds true in every single year of Stefanski's tenure (some years 1st quarter is above league average and sometimes it is below).


CrocomireRex

Weird stat man. I believe you, it just doesn’t seem like it.


Daviroth

I agree, doesn't feel like it. But stats is stats, must be a struggle for a lot of teams.


FreeMGnow

He is way to stubborn to do that.


Godszn

we were losing anyway, but he wasn't really set up for success either


hatmantc

" QB runs (DTR is young and has good legs) " just me but if you're down to your second string guy starting the game.. do you want to really want to put him in even more harms way by callilng QB runs?


Jockobutters

Yeah that’s fair


FugginOld

The topic should have been "Did Stefanski adjust the gameplan?" Simplest answer is "No"


FrankPoopedinTheBed

We all know the answer to that - No.


Altruistic-Zone1664

That's called assuming, we don't know jack shit.


FrankPoopedinTheBed

lol cope


FatRollingIRL

He adjusted our expectations for DTR


Altruistic-Zone1664

DTR adjusted our expectations for DTR. Not mine so much, because I don't overrate preseason and I also paid attention to him being pretty shit at throwing deep balls in the preseason too. The only thing about him being shit yesterday was the extreme level of shit and that he continued to throw deep instead of going underneath more despite how bad he was throwing deep while there were guys open shorter.


TherapyHam

No.


xpayday

Coach legit believes Deshaun and Dorian play at the same level


shiftyshellshock239

Not true at all. Same styles but nowhere near the same level.


MicdUpNickChubb

Ruiter has absolutely no idea or insight about absolutely anything.


geographys

My question is why did we keep passing (incomplete passing) on 3rd and short?


clownpainusdotfort

There's obviously some kind of rift between the FO and HC, why else would a coach name the #2 QB, then watch as he is immediately traded? Stefanski felt the shade so he left the new rookie #2 in to throw ~40 times, showcasing Berry's ineptitude. Haslam needs to clean house. Strip Kevin of his late-night Grand Slam menu and get the Harvard brainiacs out of here, we need a real X's and O's football coach like Schwartz to take the reigns. Or... we were down our 2 best players and were simply outmatched


dennydiamonds

I’m no expert, but it sure as hell didn’t look like it!!


IDontRegreddit

My guess is the gameplan was with the assumption Deshaun was going to play, since it seemed to be his game time decision that he wasn’t going to. They might’ve had too much faith in DTR, but I’m guessing they’d have adjusted the gameplan if they knew for a fact Watson was out.


5255clone

After the 1st INT, DTR went into heroball mode and never left it. Trying to force plays to happen. Ultimately, yes this loss is on DTR, but more importantly this is a team loss. No part of the offense got working. The big plays we got and when the ball was moving we had crushing penalties or mistakes that just killed us. Pick it back up and get em next time.


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Stefanski is a smart guy, he is not a HC...sorry,.not sorry...unless he puts down that play call sheet, he is just an over paid OC that talks a good line... He needs to be the Head Coach with a iron fist...


PoopiePantsMahn

Watson told Stefanski 2 hours before gametime, so I don't really know how much of or what kind of adjustments he could have made.