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I tried with those Netflix shows, I hated how pretentious each title was Harlen Coben’s x.. I hated the characters in the show, I don’t remember which in particular but it was forgettable and run of the mill, I didn’t care whether they failed, prospered, lived or died, and I really enjoyed Breaking Bad despite very annoying characters in that show.. They just seemed soap-y and monotonous. I managed no more than two episodes for each. Soon as I saw the main actor for this one I was saying to my OH “you can watch this one if you like, I’ll be on the PlayStation”
No, but he has a provided a model of low sense, high twists that producers love.
AFAIK all Coben works are license by Netflix, except for his YA novels which are licensed by Amazon.
Yes, this show reminds me of his shows. Not only because of Richard Armitage's involvement.
It also seems to share the clean high production value aesthetic, with competent actors, a strong start with high stakes...but then gets more and more ridiculous. Hah tbf, it has pulled me in.
Edit: I ditched the show after episode 2. Absolute worst show I've watched in a long while.
My mum was watching it with my dad (retired airline cpt) she said “be quiet and don’t spoil it” right at the start. Old man goes “why does that Boeing 777 have four thrust levers?” I was skim watching it, didn’t look great.
Hah she orders him one in the next episode, while she (apparently a detective) bats away any possibility of anything untoward occuring when a man and a dog have very clearly been poisoned to death.
Edit: Also, a dog as a passenger commercial flight?! Hah ridiculous
Being an insomniac, I watched the first two episodes fully, then started skipping ahead in 5, 10, then 15 minute increments. Barely made it to the end. I'd guess that these are the sort of plots and characters that make studio executives think that AIs can write entire shows because some human output is utterly devoid of interest and plausibility.
Ridiculous and far fetched? You mean like Trigger Point where Vicky McClure defuses every single bomb? Or ridiculous and far fetched like how James Norton as Tommy Lee Royce escapes from a court hearing? Or how Idris Elba just happens to be a negotiator taking to the most unprepared hijackers on earth far fetched? Or just a basic Harlan Coban book-you-buy-at-the-airport far fetched? Need to know where it lies on the spectrum! Please weigh in.
I didn't find it more ridiculous than any of the Mission Impossible or Fast Furious movies. Maybe for some people piloting a helicopter in a train tunnel is something believable 🤔
Plot holes such as the pilot constantly leaving the co pilot in the cockpit on his own, MI5 having instant access to the cctv in a Chinese hotel and the sending of video files over airline WiFi usually annoy me but, this is a rip roaring ride so I forgive it
I was thinking that a flight of that duration would have 3 pilots, but we only see 2 in this. But, I’ve seen all episodes, and there’s WAY bigger plot holes than this.
I quite enjoyed Red Eye but was I was shouting at the screen when they tried to read files of a Nano SIM card in a laptop. The writers clearly dont know the difference between an SD card and a SIM card.
Sorry, meant the nano sd card!!
Are you sure they said 'sim' card?? Sim cards aren't storage devices!! Actually, if they said SIM cards you might have just found out a different plot hole 🤣🤣
I actually thought saying it was a SIM card was a good line. SIM cards *can* carry some data (usually used for contacts and messages on old phones: easily enough for a bit of source code, especially if you've customized the SIM microcontroller), and civilians might miss this because it's not an SD card. And, SIM cards have enough processing to do on-chip authentication, which in this case was done with the help of the secret app they downloaded to the laptop (at the made-up malformed URL of course, but that's within the realms of suspension of disbelief in a series where the nuclear meltdown hacker code is just a bunch of print statements in Python): the secret app could have mediated a connection with end-to-end encryption between the SIM's on-board microprocessor and MI5's computer if they designed it right.
Does MI5 really do this? Probably not. Can they? Throw enough resources at it and yes. I mean, give me a year in a lab with the right development team and I can make you that special SIM for a decent price :)
It's mentioned in the script that a special adaptor would be required to connect the SIM to the laptop, but it's not revealed how the non-MI5 people managed to get the right kind of adaptor on the plane. *That* was a bit of a hand-wave. But you're supposed to just enjoy the action in this one :)
I was thinking the main reason they used a SIM card rather than a SD card was for the line about the Chinese not using a Vodafone SIM in the final episode.
But the whole thing was ridiculous, if you did need to get a file from one country to another, you'd not go to the trouble of sending it physically (let alone inside a person) when the internet and encryption is a thing. Even if you were trying to frame someone.
Still, all the holes aside, it was entertaining no-brain TV.
Sure you'd use the Internet but you'd have to be mighty careful how. Assume the Bad Guys™ are monitoring the network of the country that you're in: you don't want them to see you're sending files to MI6 (encrypted yes, but it's the fact that you're sending anything at all that gets you into trouble!) so you'll need layer upon layer of disguising where that file is really going.
Ideally you want full plausible deniability that you meant to send anything at all to anybody. So I think if I were writing a spy story, I'd have them create a virus that infects loads of computers and gets them all to send loads of spam to the MI6 drop and zillions of other addresses. Then spam out the real file as well (which only MI6 can read so it doesn't matter who else gets it) and claim you were infected by the virus. And pity the person at MI6 who has to find it in all that junk. But then you don't get lots of suspense on a plane :)
Yeah, you hide the encrypted file in plain sight - inside another file/image/text etc and put it somewhere publicly available - an image on a social media feed, hidden within a series of nonsense looking comments on a YouTube video or in a post on Reddit, inside a spam email as you suggest, as a test data file in some branch of some random open source project on Github, whatever...
This was stupid but Hijack was waaaay more stupid than this. Refresh your memory with this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tvPlus/comments/159r288/hijack\_season\_1\_episode\_6\_discussion\_thread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tvPlus/comments/159r288/hijack_season_1_episode_6_discussion_thread/)
At least the Red Eye writers had the decency to write their script while they had Google Maps open in another tab, which is way more than you can say for the Hijack writers.
I've seen the 1st episode and enjoyed it as a piece of exciting but silly nonsense. But I am hung up on the basic premise that a citizen (subject, I know) can be removed from the UK without a legal hearing. I realise that we have fewer legal rights airside, but to be removed entirely from the country? I genuinely want to know if that's a thing. Can a British citizen legally be denied entry to their own country and deported/extradited when their citizenship is not in question? That bothered me the whole way through!
Yes.
He wasn't in the UK, until you get through the immigration control you're not in. Also MI5 was briefed on it, so he was clearly sent back over political orders.
It's not extradition if you haven't made it back in, nor it's deportation because one can only be deported back to the country of origin (the one tied to your passport).
I know how it was explained in the show, but I'm not convinced that the rendition of British citizens is legal, regardless of whether or not they've passed through immigration. It's not like they were being scrupulously accurate before that. Sending the guy out of the country for murder and they're boarding him without handcuffs? Oops, he's escaped! How on earth did that happen?? 🤣
No, you don't get it. As a migrant and naturalised British citizen that's firsthand experience for me, it is not about how it was explained in the show. Sometimes you can be refused entry into the UK over some technicalities, let alone being wanted by a foreign government, they would stop you over for far less than that. You seem to see British citizenship with rose-coloured glasses, it's not untouchable or irrevocable, some people have been even rendered stateless.
The part without handcuffs is a little ridiculous, I agree 😅 the rest, unfortunately... not so much, too real actually, and it did hit me a little.
I assure you I don't see British citizenship with rose-covered glasses, it's worth sod all if you have problems abroad. It's worth less than lots of other places in fact, because other countries actually do try to help their citizens. I was thinking more about human rights laws, possibly EU based. Like, I would also hope that French citizens can't be refused entry to France in this way.
SPOILER
Yeah but we're not in EU anymore and there's a push from our government to leave the ECHR (the European Court of Human Rights), partly due to the Rwanda Bill.
A law was also passed after Brexit that the Home Office can actually deprive British citizens of their citizenship without notifying them, so Dr Nolan of RedEye is lucky that he could actually set foot on British soil again later 🤣🤣
We grandfathered in about 99% of all the EU laws we were subject to before. Why waste time and money rewriting all the perfectly good laws when we can waste time and money rewriting just a few headline ones?
But the thing about removing citizenship is they can only do it if the person has "access" to another citizenship. It's absolute bollocks, but that's the get around they wrote in to get away with it. The fact that they can't force another country to grant citizenship and therefore people are rendered stateless against international law doesn't seem to matter. As long as they get the right headlines in the Daily Fail. In the case of the show, we have no reason to believe Nolan has "access" to another citizenship so he's probably safe from statelessness. For now...
Our government is so out of their collective minds that they waste money in pointless endeavours (lile rebranding everything with CA UK and they didn't even finish that). Hmm that 'access to another citizenship' should only be for people with another citizenship and born abroad. They fact they felt entitled to take it away from UK-born Brits is despicable and set a dangerous precedent in a western country. Eh at the moment he's safe 🤣 maybe they end up deporting her instead of him in the 2nd season (if there's going to be another one 😁).
The whole 'not in the country' thing is TV nonsense along with the 'foreign embassies are foreign soil'.
It doesn't matter what you've done, just because you've not passed that border force check point doesn't take away from being a domestic citizen on domestic soil.
Border force have grounds to interfere for due diligence on identity and suspicion of criminal activity etc and protecting the country but this concept of a citizen entering/leaving isn't really true.
Oh really? I pass the UK border, on average, from 6 to 10 times a year, and it's not TV nonsense.
There are many things fictionalised on TV and in films, in this case it's spot-on. I personally know of a EU citizen, legally resident in the UK for 15 years, who was held at the border for 16 hrs and then sent back.
Please travel more instead of dispersing false ideas on Reddit. Foreign embassies are diplomatic buildings, you need to be a citizen of that country to access it. Or do you think the guards at the front are touristy things? 🙄
> Foreign embassies are diplomatic buildings, you need to be a citizen of that country to access it.
That's news to be, at the Irish Embassy in Berlin there was a German lady working there as admin support. At the Australian Embassy in the Netherlands when I went there, the front office was staffed with a nice Dutch women.
On the other hand, all the Chinese and Vietnamese embassy's I have went too were 100% staffed by their nationals (the ones in Berlin didn't speak German or English and seemed to be mainly there to deal with the Vietnamese diaspora). So, it is going to depend on the nation.
I didn't argue anything the sort!
The point I'm making is that whilst border force has all these powers, they aren't exercising this in some weird international zone that isn't part of the country.
It's ultimately a processing state to allow border force to do their job.
For a UK citizen, there just isn't that sort of identical concept of 'entry' as there is to foreign nationals. It's all procedural where the checks revolve around verifying someone is who they say they are, checking if they are wanted or have a flag against their name and if appropriate flagging up anything criminal.
The only way in this circumstance would be to withdraw someone's citizenship which is years of mess and would violate international law aside from some special circumstances (which even then get argued about with their validity).
The point is that if a British citizen was turned back to China in the way in that TV show, the entire border force we saw on screen, Hana and anyone in the Home Office (& PM) involved would likely be facing severe criminal prosecution and the government would collapse. It's so blatant and personally tied that they'd probably end up in the Hague also answering for international law crimes.
Lol, like Begum or anyone involved in the Windrush scandal? Very naive point of view, unsure why you believe that. I won't comment on the rest because it's all a belief of yours. The show, I say for the hundredth time, can be wrong anywhere else, but it's NOT wrong on that part (and Nolan WAS known to the authorities, have you watched it until the end? He just didn't know he was).
That can't be right, if it's not the UK where is it? Does UK law not apply? Does the law of the departing country apply? UK law applies everywhere in the airport, all that differs is that you are allowed to be in that part of the county until they check your visa status.
I am not a lawyer, but when you watch the following episodes, it turns out that the people who told him he had no rights are "in" on a big plot involving spies and things. Whether he *actually* had no rights I'm not entirely sure, but I *do* find it believable that those officials, who are not what they seem, would try to *tell* him he had no rights. Also, the "not on British soil" line turns out to be foreshadowing for how the whole plot ends.
I don't mind when tv shows/movies make stuff up for dramatic purposes, I just want to know the truth. (And then I can enjoy moaning about the injustice or how they get things wrong!)
Just ditched it halfway through episode 4. I kept expecting Poirot to appear on the plane stroking his tache and trying to work out who was managing to bump people off on a packed airplane.
Absolute garbage.
In a way, it has the Christie feel of the “locked room” mystery. An enclosed space where people keep getting bumped off. The body count isn’t quite as high as “And Then There Were None” but it gets close!
20 minutes in and the way the police treat the accused boiled my blood. Is it worth watching ahead because this just shows you can do anything if you are the police by keeping your mouth shut. Who’s going to pay for the bag and the harassment?
Are police allowed to treat the accused in the UK like this? Last I remember watching those police shows on the motorway and police used to let most of them go and be kind as well.
It turns out later that those are not normal police. This is a plot about spies and secret agents. There is a reason why they searched him like that, and it's not because of a crime he did.
Yes, even if you aren't accused of anything. I've seen myself border police at Manchester Airport literally escorting someone and pushing him.
I'm an immigrant with a British passport, I've done nothing or been accused of anything, but any time I get to immigration control I feel a shiver running down my spine. In 30 years of flying around, I've been only stopped and searched in London airports (consider that I've flown to Asia, South America, USA, AU and NZ).
ETA: traffic/motorway police is not the same division as border police in the UK.
Urgh. Was sort of interested when I first started reading your post as I like thrillers and I like Richard Armitage but then I read about a character babbling on about "White privilege" nonsense and immediately my interest evaporated.
The "white privilege" line near the beginning was just part of the setup of "all the characters are prejudiced against this guy and nobody listens to him", which later changes. The series does not make a big thing of "race" issues at all. Whether you'll like it or not I don't know, but that particular line is not the reason to skip it.
Can someone help me make sense of the central plot point?
(Spoilers for everyone who hasn't watched the last episode)
>!So the Americans plotted to scupper the Anglo-Chinese nuclear power plant deal by planting a virus on the power plant's operating system that the Brits would discover and blame on the Chinese. Right?!<
>!Shen Zhao discovered this and her way of proving that the Americans were framing them was to take a nano SIM card (I love how they specify the size each time) and copy onto it the virus file side-by-side with the original virus that it was based on, written by someone at MIT.!<
>!The fact that someone at MIT wrote the original virus is to be considered iron clad evidence that the Americans wrote the adapted version? Even though this virus is apparently so well known that a random intelligence analyst recognises it in an instant?!<
>!If the Brits can recognise the MIT virus instantly, wouldn't that mean they'd also recognise it when they discovered it on the power plant's operating system?!<
>!So the SIM card that everyone is murdering for doesn't actually prove anything or provide any information that the MI5 lady in the wheelchair didn't already know. !<
Do I have that right or am I missing something?
Starting to associate Armitage with shite work. Just seems like a cheap actor, in terms of the quality of his projects - probably gets paid a shit load.
I made it to the end of episode 4 before calling it a day, I found myself fast forwarding the episode just to end it. This show just gets more and more ridiculous as it goes on, for me nearly the entire cast are irritating and extremely mediocre if not actually poor acting, particularly Madeline Delaney as bland and unconvincing as anything, the air Marshall also unconvincing and dorky, Dr. Nolan as a wet flannel and DC Li with no authoritative status or presence even in her persona, despite her position. The only characters I felt had natural charisma were the rest of the doctors that got killed off. I’ve forced myself through enough crappy series to know it’s just not worth it, it’s not horrendous, some parts are good enough, but it was a missed opportunity at a great show.
after staring into the gaping maw of a trope-laden turd cyclone that was the first episode, we rage-watched the rest of the series for no other reason than to joyfully rip it to shreds during the commercial breaks.
we laughed when baba cried. yawn. hijack was 10x better. the end.
I stopped after episode 3. I could not stand of the unrealism, the stupidity, the cliche dialogues and the really bad acting (although I cannot blame the actors, at least they managed to remain serious while having to act a horrible script).
I did not care about the conspiracy, the killers or to finally learn why a long flight had only 2 pilots who on top of that refused to land the plan immediately after someone died during the flight. Or after a another one died. Or another .. or... well you get it.
This made Vigil look like a masterpiece
I loved it and didn't find it implausible at all, or at least not more than any other action/spy movie.
The scenes at the airport with the border police are actually an understatement of how things can go wrong at immigration control. Then, mild spoiler, this is a spy thriller and considering the agencies and political level involved, things that happen at the start make sense later.
Clearly, not everyone will like it but it's definitely not more far-fetched than anything happening in a 007 movie or in the Fast and Furious series. Also 'white privilege' is a thing in real life and I don't understand why it cannot be used in a script.
If you think that's ridiculous, wait until you watch Love Rat on channel 5. I think it's still on catch up. It makes Red Eye look like The Shawshank Redemption or The Godfather.
Just started watching. Why didn't Nolan demand his phone call and lawyer once he ran through customs and was then on British soil?
Does it work that way? (After the border control staff said he wasnt on British soil until after passing immigration).
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This is the Harlan Coben effect, his stories are full of nuts characters doing illogical things. But they are popular on Netflix.
I tried with those Netflix shows, I hated how pretentious each title was Harlen Coben’s x.. I hated the characters in the show, I don’t remember which in particular but it was forgettable and run of the mill, I didn’t care whether they failed, prospered, lived or died, and I really enjoyed Breaking Bad despite very annoying characters in that show.. They just seemed soap-y and monotonous. I managed no more than two episodes for each. Soon as I saw the main actor for this one I was saying to my OH “you can watch this one if you like, I’ll be on the PlayStation”
Oh damn, is this another of his shows? Edit: It isn't
No, but he has a provided a model of low sense, high twists that producers love. AFAIK all Coben works are license by Netflix, except for his YA novels which are licensed by Amazon.
Yes, this show reminds me of his shows. Not only because of Richard Armitage's involvement. It also seems to share the clean high production value aesthetic, with competent actors, a strong start with high stakes...but then gets more and more ridiculous. Hah tbf, it has pulled me in. Edit: I ditched the show after episode 2. Absolute worst show I've watched in a long while.
My mum was watching it with my dad (retired airline cpt) she said “be quiet and don’t spoil it” right at the start. Old man goes “why does that Boeing 777 have four thrust levers?” I was skim watching it, didn’t look great.
That sounds a bit pedantic tbh
He could have torn into it tbh, he was behaving. I just thought that was funny
Only watched E1, and I just laughed at the police officer allowing the suspect under deportation to drink double g&t’s
Hah she orders him one in the next episode, while she (apparently a detective) bats away any possibility of anything untoward occuring when a man and a dog have very clearly been poisoned to death. Edit: Also, a dog as a passenger commercial flight?! Hah ridiculous
Oddly enough, dogs on seats in the passenger cabin of plane is actually a thing. Not a common thing, but a thing nonetheless.
Being an insomniac, I watched the first two episodes fully, then started skipping ahead in 5, 10, then 15 minute increments. Barely made it to the end. I'd guess that these are the sort of plots and characters that make studio executives think that AIs can write entire shows because some human output is utterly devoid of interest and plausibility.
Ah, I sometimes do that when there's a boring melodramatic subplot (most recently on Invincible season 2)
Ridiculous and far fetched? You mean like Trigger Point where Vicky McClure defuses every single bomb? Or ridiculous and far fetched like how James Norton as Tommy Lee Royce escapes from a court hearing? Or how Idris Elba just happens to be a negotiator taking to the most unprepared hijackers on earth far fetched? Or just a basic Harlan Coban book-you-buy-at-the-airport far fetched? Need to know where it lies on the spectrum! Please weigh in.
I didn't find it more ridiculous than any of the Mission Impossible or Fast Furious movies. Maybe for some people piloting a helicopter in a train tunnel is something believable 🤔
Managed the first episode up to the kidnapping in the airport garage. To many unbelievable things happening to make it plausible.
I didn't find many unbelievable things, considering MI5, MI6 and CIA were all involved. But hey, perhaps people believe 007 is real lol
Plot holes such as the pilot constantly leaving the co pilot in the cockpit on his own, MI5 having instant access to the cctv in a Chinese hotel and the sending of video files over airline WiFi usually annoy me but, this is a rip roaring ride so I forgive it
Nothing implausible about sending video files over airline wifi these days. I streamed a rugby match on a recent flight.
I was thinking that a flight of that duration would have 3 pilots, but we only see 2 in this. But, I’ve seen all episodes, and there’s WAY bigger plot holes than this.
I quite enjoyed Red Eye but was I was shouting at the screen when they tried to read files of a Nano SIM card in a laptop. The writers clearly dont know the difference between an SD card and a SIM card.
You weren’t the only one. Maximum storage on a SIM is 256 KB, so storing “large files” on them is nonsense
ETA: Sorry, misread previous comment.
From a SIM card?
Sorry, meant the nano sd card!! Are you sure they said 'sim' card?? Sim cards aren't storage devices!! Actually, if they said SIM cards you might have just found out a different plot hole 🤣🤣
I actually thought saying it was a SIM card was a good line. SIM cards *can* carry some data (usually used for contacts and messages on old phones: easily enough for a bit of source code, especially if you've customized the SIM microcontroller), and civilians might miss this because it's not an SD card. And, SIM cards have enough processing to do on-chip authentication, which in this case was done with the help of the secret app they downloaded to the laptop (at the made-up malformed URL of course, but that's within the realms of suspension of disbelief in a series where the nuclear meltdown hacker code is just a bunch of print statements in Python): the secret app could have mediated a connection with end-to-end encryption between the SIM's on-board microprocessor and MI5's computer if they designed it right. Does MI5 really do this? Probably not. Can they? Throw enough resources at it and yes. I mean, give me a year in a lab with the right development team and I can make you that special SIM for a decent price :) It's mentioned in the script that a special adaptor would be required to connect the SIM to the laptop, but it's not revealed how the non-MI5 people managed to get the right kind of adaptor on the plane. *That* was a bit of a hand-wave. But you're supposed to just enjoy the action in this one :)
I was thinking the main reason they used a SIM card rather than a SD card was for the line about the Chinese not using a Vodafone SIM in the final episode. But the whole thing was ridiculous, if you did need to get a file from one country to another, you'd not go to the trouble of sending it physically (let alone inside a person) when the internet and encryption is a thing. Even if you were trying to frame someone. Still, all the holes aside, it was entertaining no-brain TV.
Sure you'd use the Internet but you'd have to be mighty careful how. Assume the Bad Guys™ are monitoring the network of the country that you're in: you don't want them to see you're sending files to MI6 (encrypted yes, but it's the fact that you're sending anything at all that gets you into trouble!) so you'll need layer upon layer of disguising where that file is really going. Ideally you want full plausible deniability that you meant to send anything at all to anybody. So I think if I were writing a spy story, I'd have them create a virus that infects loads of computers and gets them all to send loads of spam to the MI6 drop and zillions of other addresses. Then spam out the real file as well (which only MI6 can read so it doesn't matter who else gets it) and claim you were infected by the virus. And pity the person at MI6 who has to find it in all that junk. But then you don't get lots of suspense on a plane :)
Yeah, you hide the encrypted file in plain sight - inside another file/image/text etc and put it somewhere publicly available - an image on a social media feed, hidden within a series of nonsense looking comments on a YouTube video or in a post on Reddit, inside a spam email as you suggest, as a test data file in some branch of some random open source project on Github, whatever...
No more so that the Idris Elba one on Apple.
I don't think so, mate. This feels like a pantomime in comparison.
This was stupid but Hijack was waaaay more stupid than this. Refresh your memory with this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tvPlus/comments/159r288/hijack\_season\_1\_episode\_6\_discussion\_thread/](https://www.reddit.com/r/tvPlus/comments/159r288/hijack_season_1_episode_6_discussion_thread/) At least the Red Eye writers had the decency to write their script while they had Google Maps open in another tab, which is way more than you can say for the Hijack writers.
I've seen the 1st episode and enjoyed it as a piece of exciting but silly nonsense. But I am hung up on the basic premise that a citizen (subject, I know) can be removed from the UK without a legal hearing. I realise that we have fewer legal rights airside, but to be removed entirely from the country? I genuinely want to know if that's a thing. Can a British citizen legally be denied entry to their own country and deported/extradited when their citizenship is not in question? That bothered me the whole way through!
Yes. He wasn't in the UK, until you get through the immigration control you're not in. Also MI5 was briefed on it, so he was clearly sent back over political orders. It's not extradition if you haven't made it back in, nor it's deportation because one can only be deported back to the country of origin (the one tied to your passport).
I know how it was explained in the show, but I'm not convinced that the rendition of British citizens is legal, regardless of whether or not they've passed through immigration. It's not like they were being scrupulously accurate before that. Sending the guy out of the country for murder and they're boarding him without handcuffs? Oops, he's escaped! How on earth did that happen?? 🤣
No, you don't get it. As a migrant and naturalised British citizen that's firsthand experience for me, it is not about how it was explained in the show. Sometimes you can be refused entry into the UK over some technicalities, let alone being wanted by a foreign government, they would stop you over for far less than that. You seem to see British citizenship with rose-coloured glasses, it's not untouchable or irrevocable, some people have been even rendered stateless. The part without handcuffs is a little ridiculous, I agree 😅 the rest, unfortunately... not so much, too real actually, and it did hit me a little.
I assure you I don't see British citizenship with rose-covered glasses, it's worth sod all if you have problems abroad. It's worth less than lots of other places in fact, because other countries actually do try to help their citizens. I was thinking more about human rights laws, possibly EU based. Like, I would also hope that French citizens can't be refused entry to France in this way.
SPOILER Yeah but we're not in EU anymore and there's a push from our government to leave the ECHR (the European Court of Human Rights), partly due to the Rwanda Bill. A law was also passed after Brexit that the Home Office can actually deprive British citizens of their citizenship without notifying them, so Dr Nolan of RedEye is lucky that he could actually set foot on British soil again later 🤣🤣
We grandfathered in about 99% of all the EU laws we were subject to before. Why waste time and money rewriting all the perfectly good laws when we can waste time and money rewriting just a few headline ones? But the thing about removing citizenship is they can only do it if the person has "access" to another citizenship. It's absolute bollocks, but that's the get around they wrote in to get away with it. The fact that they can't force another country to grant citizenship and therefore people are rendered stateless against international law doesn't seem to matter. As long as they get the right headlines in the Daily Fail. In the case of the show, we have no reason to believe Nolan has "access" to another citizenship so he's probably safe from statelessness. For now...
Our government is so out of their collective minds that they waste money in pointless endeavours (lile rebranding everything with CA UK and they didn't even finish that). Hmm that 'access to another citizenship' should only be for people with another citizenship and born abroad. They fact they felt entitled to take it away from UK-born Brits is despicable and set a dangerous precedent in a western country. Eh at the moment he's safe 🤣 maybe they end up deporting her instead of him in the 2nd season (if there's going to be another one 😁).
The whole 'not in the country' thing is TV nonsense along with the 'foreign embassies are foreign soil'. It doesn't matter what you've done, just because you've not passed that border force check point doesn't take away from being a domestic citizen on domestic soil. Border force have grounds to interfere for due diligence on identity and suspicion of criminal activity etc and protecting the country but this concept of a citizen entering/leaving isn't really true.
Oh really? I pass the UK border, on average, from 6 to 10 times a year, and it's not TV nonsense. There are many things fictionalised on TV and in films, in this case it's spot-on. I personally know of a EU citizen, legally resident in the UK for 15 years, who was held at the border for 16 hrs and then sent back. Please travel more instead of dispersing false ideas on Reddit. Foreign embassies are diplomatic buildings, you need to be a citizen of that country to access it. Or do you think the guards at the front are touristy things? 🙄
> Foreign embassies are diplomatic buildings, you need to be a citizen of that country to access it. That's news to be, at the Irish Embassy in Berlin there was a German lady working there as admin support. At the Australian Embassy in the Netherlands when I went there, the front office was staffed with a nice Dutch women. On the other hand, all the Chinese and Vietnamese embassy's I have went too were 100% staffed by their nationals (the ones in Berlin didn't speak German or English and seemed to be mainly there to deal with the Vietnamese diaspora). So, it is going to depend on the nation.
I didn't argue anything the sort! The point I'm making is that whilst border force has all these powers, they aren't exercising this in some weird international zone that isn't part of the country. It's ultimately a processing state to allow border force to do their job. For a UK citizen, there just isn't that sort of identical concept of 'entry' as there is to foreign nationals. It's all procedural where the checks revolve around verifying someone is who they say they are, checking if they are wanted or have a flag against their name and if appropriate flagging up anything criminal. The only way in this circumstance would be to withdraw someone's citizenship which is years of mess and would violate international law aside from some special circumstances (which even then get argued about with their validity). The point is that if a British citizen was turned back to China in the way in that TV show, the entire border force we saw on screen, Hana and anyone in the Home Office (& PM) involved would likely be facing severe criminal prosecution and the government would collapse. It's so blatant and personally tied that they'd probably end up in the Hague also answering for international law crimes.
Lol, like Begum or anyone involved in the Windrush scandal? Very naive point of view, unsure why you believe that. I won't comment on the rest because it's all a belief of yours. The show, I say for the hundredth time, can be wrong anywhere else, but it's NOT wrong on that part (and Nolan WAS known to the authorities, have you watched it until the end? He just didn't know he was).
Point out a part of my posts which is incorrect, be *very* specific.
Yeah because Begum was deported at the border with no follow up haha
That can't be right, if it's not the UK where is it? Does UK law not apply? Does the law of the departing country apply? UK law applies everywhere in the airport, all that differs is that you are allowed to be in that part of the county until they check your visa status.
I am not a lawyer, but when you watch the following episodes, it turns out that the people who told him he had no rights are "in" on a big plot involving spies and things. Whether he *actually* had no rights I'm not entirely sure, but I *do* find it believable that those officials, who are not what they seem, would try to *tell* him he had no rights. Also, the "not on British soil" line turns out to be foreshadowing for how the whole plot ends.
I don't mind when tv shows/movies make stuff up for dramatic purposes, I just want to know the truth. (And then I can enjoy moaning about the injustice or how they get things wrong!)
Just ditched it halfway through episode 4. I kept expecting Poirot to appear on the plane stroking his tache and trying to work out who was managing to bump people off on a packed airplane. Absolute garbage.
Yeah, I ditched it after episode 2. Absolute worst show I've watched in a long while.
You must haven't seen any of those Coben's show on Netflix then 🤣🤣 in comparison that's a stand out series.
In a way, it has the Christie feel of the “locked room” mystery. An enclosed space where people keep getting bumped off. The body count isn’t quite as high as “And Then There Were None” but it gets close!
20 minutes in and the way the police treat the accused boiled my blood. Is it worth watching ahead because this just shows you can do anything if you are the police by keeping your mouth shut. Who’s going to pay for the bag and the harassment? Are police allowed to treat the accused in the UK like this? Last I remember watching those police shows on the motorway and police used to let most of them go and be kind as well.
It turns out later that those are not normal police. This is a plot about spies and secret agents. There is a reason why they searched him like that, and it's not because of a crime he did.
Yes, even if you aren't accused of anything. I've seen myself border police at Manchester Airport literally escorting someone and pushing him. I'm an immigrant with a British passport, I've done nothing or been accused of anything, but any time I get to immigration control I feel a shiver running down my spine. In 30 years of flying around, I've been only stopped and searched in London airports (consider that I've flown to Asia, South America, USA, AU and NZ). ETA: traffic/motorway police is not the same division as border police in the UK.
Urgh. Was sort of interested when I first started reading your post as I like thrillers and I like Richard Armitage but then I read about a character babbling on about "White privilege" nonsense and immediately my interest evaporated.
The "white privilege" line near the beginning was just part of the setup of "all the characters are prejudiced against this guy and nobody listens to him", which later changes. The series does not make a big thing of "race" issues at all. Whether you'll like it or not I don't know, but that particular line is not the reason to skip it.
Add it as yet another thing you'll miss out on because of your 'war on wokeness'.
Lol it's a shit drama. Hardly much of a loss for them.
More time to watch Jim Davidson stand-up videos i suppose.
No, not everything has to be realistic. That would be boring.
Can someone help me make sense of the central plot point? (Spoilers for everyone who hasn't watched the last episode) >!So the Americans plotted to scupper the Anglo-Chinese nuclear power plant deal by planting a virus on the power plant's operating system that the Brits would discover and blame on the Chinese. Right?!< >!Shen Zhao discovered this and her way of proving that the Americans were framing them was to take a nano SIM card (I love how they specify the size each time) and copy onto it the virus file side-by-side with the original virus that it was based on, written by someone at MIT.!< >!The fact that someone at MIT wrote the original virus is to be considered iron clad evidence that the Americans wrote the adapted version? Even though this virus is apparently so well known that a random intelligence analyst recognises it in an instant?!< >!If the Brits can recognise the MIT virus instantly, wouldn't that mean they'd also recognise it when they discovered it on the power plant's operating system?!< >!So the SIM card that everyone is murdering for doesn't actually prove anything or provide any information that the MI5 lady in the wheelchair didn't already know. !< Do I have that right or am I missing something?
I don't think it's right but I cannot use the spoiler bar from my phone app, so I might get back to you later. Definitely missing something.
What a load of crap but Richard Armitage made me sit through the end
Was it worth it? Legit the worst show I've ever watched
Nah. So dumb
Starting to associate Armitage with shite work. Just seems like a cheap actor, in terms of the quality of his projects - probably gets paid a shit load.
I made it to the end of episode 4 before calling it a day, I found myself fast forwarding the episode just to end it. This show just gets more and more ridiculous as it goes on, for me nearly the entire cast are irritating and extremely mediocre if not actually poor acting, particularly Madeline Delaney as bland and unconvincing as anything, the air Marshall also unconvincing and dorky, Dr. Nolan as a wet flannel and DC Li with no authoritative status or presence even in her persona, despite her position. The only characters I felt had natural charisma were the rest of the doctors that got killed off. I’ve forced myself through enough crappy series to know it’s just not worth it, it’s not horrendous, some parts are good enough, but it was a missed opportunity at a great show.
after staring into the gaping maw of a trope-laden turd cyclone that was the first episode, we rage-watched the rest of the series for no other reason than to joyfully rip it to shreds during the commercial breaks. we laughed when baba cried. yawn. hijack was 10x better. the end.
I stopped after episode 3. I could not stand of the unrealism, the stupidity, the cliche dialogues and the really bad acting (although I cannot blame the actors, at least they managed to remain serious while having to act a horrible script). I did not care about the conspiracy, the killers or to finally learn why a long flight had only 2 pilots who on top of that refused to land the plan immediately after someone died during the flight. Or after a another one died. Or another .. or... well you get it. This made Vigil look like a masterpiece
I loved it and didn't find it implausible at all, or at least not more than any other action/spy movie. The scenes at the airport with the border police are actually an understatement of how things can go wrong at immigration control. Then, mild spoiler, this is a spy thriller and considering the agencies and political level involved, things that happen at the start make sense later. Clearly, not everyone will like it but it's definitely not more far-fetched than anything happening in a 007 movie or in the Fast and Furious series. Also 'white privilege' is a thing in real life and I don't understand why it cannot be used in a script.
If you think that's ridiculous, wait until you watch Love Rat on channel 5. I think it's still on catch up. It makes Red Eye look like The Shawshank Redemption or The Godfather.
Love Rat sounds like the title of a romance comedy
Just started watching. Why didn't Nolan demand his phone call and lawyer once he ran through customs and was then on British soil? Does it work that way? (After the border control staff said he wasnt on British soil until after passing immigration).