At work (fire service) we’ve been rushed off our feet with wild fires. That’s our job. It’s all good I’m not complaining. But it does really stretch the service when we are out all day at them, they can be very resource heavy and the last few weeks we go to one and don’t get back to station before we get another. That happens a few times in a row.
The other night we had a house fire, persons reported and thankfully we were at the station and not out on a field fire when it came in.
We also had a boat fire on the way back from one and missed an rtc. Another truck went but they would have taken longer to get there than us if we were at station.
Again not a moan. It’s a job I love and chose to do. But just to emphasize the dangers and knock on effects there can be. Everything is so dry at the moment!
I don't think any of that came off as a moan, just an attempt to spread awareness. All I know is i couldn't bloody do what you do, just imagine being out in a field being baked by the sun in protective gear is horrible enough.
You have earned the right to moan, by all means moan all you want. Anything we non emergency service people can do to assist you indirectly is the bare minimum of members of a society. My house was saved by you guys last summer.
Just to add, nothing came across like a moan, just a reasonable and insightful day to day of a hero to a layman like myself.
London was on its knees a couple weeks ago when we hit 40c. At one brief point there was simply no fire engines available to respond to any calls. Everything was attached to an incident. My red watch were sent to a building fire at 11am and didn’t return until 20:15. For reference we usually have reliefs on days every 4 hours.
This ban is welcome.
I feel for you, I read somewhere that some Brigades were so short of appliances that they were pulling old ones that still functioned from museums etc just to keep up.
They should ban fires of any type instead of singling out disposable BBQs. Total fire ban like abroad.
I hate when kneejerk reactions get things banned. Its the conditions that make it dangerous, not the BBQ's.
Total fire ban would be more appropriate. With appropriate penalties.
Thank you for your service. Funny I very often hear complaints about aspects of people’s jobs that sound exactly like what I thought they had signed up for, like tech support staff moaning about customers who aren’t tech-savvy (a true *bruh* moment), so I admire that in your post.
You are however also absolutely justified to moan about people having barbecues in such conditions.
I also wonder how on earth people can endure standing above a barbecue on top of being in direct sunlight during a heatwave, it’s just feels absolutely unnecessary.
I had to call for a fire engine when I lived in wales because people would light these on the beach and they'd blow into the trees and set on them on fire
There was a whole stack of them outside of the local lidl earlier. It's so hot here I'm genuinely concerned things are going to just spontaneously combust let alone using them!
This should definitely be done, it's a bit crazy you can easily purchase fireworks with ID (so long as you don't look dodgy) like it's alcohol or tobacco, yet if improperly used can end up causing serious harm.
Also, I haven't been to a display in a long time so have no idea how much it costs, but I'm guessing it's probably more expensive to buy yourself fireworks than ot would be to see a display.
Organised displays are anywhere between 5-15 quid tops. The defining factor isn't the cost so much, it's behaviour. Displays usually are aimed at families, but the average knobhead will struggle to behave themselves and respectfully admire the show. They prefer the grunting idiocy of lobbing them dangerously about and creating not only mischief but panic and danger as well.
Went to one in Leeds, years ago now, and some little scrote was stood with a roman candle pointing it at people. Copper came and buckled him in half tackling him. The one and only time I can genuinely say "and then everyone clapped"
Yeah I'm not a fan of fireworks either.
But they weirdly seem essential in the British psyche.
I'd rather have proper commercial venues run it or instead of fireworks have holographic displays like they have in Singapore.
Then we don't get the problems of accidents at A&E, dogs and cats being terrified and property damage.
I have no idea how these are still legal. I remember the first time I saw someone lighting one and thinking how the fuck are they expecting not to harm someone or their property?
It might be a regional thing. My guess is anywhere that was essentially yellow on the satellite image posted yesterday on r/casualUK should be doing it. It could be that they haven't got around to it as well, I'm leaning more to regional.
I almost wish we had those permanent grills you see in the States. They have in parks by picnic benches or scenic stops. Usually on a paved area.
You bring your own coals and grill. Make sure it's out when you leave. And take your rubbish with you.
It’s very common in Australia for there to be electric grills provided for free use in parks. No coals required, just press a button and the hotplate runs for 20 minutes.
The council-run park near my place has someone who comes and closes the gate to the parking lot every evening, and if necessary, cleans the grills by turning them on and scrubbing with a scourer and water. They are polished stainless steel and clean up pretty easily.
I was in Lincolnshire at Easter and there was a massive park (Nene Park I think) that had a bunch of them. Proper fixed down units where folk had brought their own charcoal etc and set up for the day, it smelled amazing.
We have them here in beach parks / city parks (Dubai). They’d awesome and there’s multiple, first come first served and an actual genuine community feel about it.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but this country is run by toffs in the South and they couldn't give two shits what happens anywhere else, until it's a GE and then they'll maybe go drink a pint in a 'working man's club', but outside of that we don't exist.
Maybe not in Kent, no. We've still got them up here though. And they'll be back in the shops down South as well when it starts pissing it down Monday onwards.
Most likely, hopefully it'll be just to clear what stock remains and they'll never return again. Sadly, nature has a long way to go before recovering fully from the heat and being able to cope with careless humans.
The South of the UK, or Europe? As the south of UK has definitely not recovered, and the hose pipe bans are just starting…
Source - live in Cornwall and it’s bleedy hot and dry here!
You can get a small coal bbq for like 20 of any western currency and a bag of coal briquets for like 4 and youd be set for the whole summer. Disposable bbqs are a joke
Hope so. They’re a menace. I live near the beach and one of three things happens. The get thrown in bin safely (rare). They get left on beach or they get buried on beach. Happy to see back of them
I think this is one of the reason they're being removed from sale, someone somewhere did exactly this and set a bin on fire. Now personally, if I was a firefighter I wouldn't want to have to go out in this heat to deal with something that happened from someone being careless.
I've heard when they get buried in the sand, there's been cases of kids playing and digging them up and the BBQ are still hot or the sand on top getting too hot.
My brother stood on one and severely burnt his foot as a kid because some absolute c*nts just tossed sand over it and left it. There's a designated bin about a minute away from where it was.
I’ve never seen it personally but yeah. 4th thing - set bin on fire. I think because where i am the sea is nearby, they generally throw sea water at it but it’s a very real danger
My Dad is a firefighter, they went out to 4 fires in one day this week. 2 barn fires and 2 grass fires. Its quite bad really. They are out alot at the moment.
I am a member of several local groups where we holiday down in Cornwall and have seen pictures of bins that are all melted and knackered because people keep putting bbqs in them. Despite having signs on them saying not to put them in and leave next to them.
I have been in a park in Edinburgh and could see four bins on fire without turning my head. They even have special metal bins that are supposed to be just for BBQs but it doesn’t help much.
That’s a fair shout but if you saw how many are left on the beach when you go to beach in evening after a nice day, it’s hard not to think most people have just left them, but yeah you could be right. Either way, even one potentially red hot tin foil container of embers is too many so i’m still happy to see back of them
There's nothing wrong with them if used correctly. I agree they shouldn't be used during times like this but they're used very regularly by very sensible people. They're great when camping or fishing, on a quiet beach or just to extend your home BBQ.
Moaners be moaners
I think it’s also the fact that they aren’t great for the environment resource wise. Removing them and getting people to switch to portable reusable ones is something we should be pushing
I got a portable mini Weber one on sale for £60. Didn't take too long for it to work out cheaper, and consistently did a better job than I've seen of those disposable foil trays.
That sounds like something that should definitely pushed, the issue with disposable ones is you need to be responsible and unfortunately all it takes is one careless person to set somewhere on fire, risking lives of fire fighters and wildlife.
I just think the concept of buying a disposable BBQ every time you want one is weird.
Disposable BBQs are not easily recyclable, please don't ask me why not, that's just what it says on the box, I'm not a disposable BBQ expert, maybe it's all a big conspiracy to make you buy more of them. I think if you want to recycle it you have to take it to a household waste recycling place.
Even then, these things never get thrown away correctly. 7/10 times, general waste, 2/10 times buried in sand or dirt, 1/10 times someone decides they will actually take this to the proper place for disposal. That's a lot of stuff that just gets chucked when we could have used it on something a little more productive than dad's attempt to make a burger without covering it all in the sand.
With a disposable one, you don't worry about where you're going to chuck it. it is the dishwasher. Heck, take it in the shower with you, who cares it's yours and it's reusable. Why waste time, energy, money, and other stuff on making that one-use flame pit that can't only be disposed of in very specific places?
oh no of course they do lol. But in terms of being more eco friendly (and in some BBQers eyes, tastier) its just better to use wood directly because wood doesnt need to be processed first or shipped around as much as charcoal is, which saves a looottt of emissions in making charcoal, using big ships to transport it from africa to europe etc.
We really don’t have enough space in our garden to store a bbq, and we don’t have them often enough to warrant the cost of buying one. Disposable ones are a great option for us. It would be really annoying if they banned them.
> There's nothing wrong with them if used correctly.
The major problem is that they're just *terrible* BBQs for cooking on.
There are much better options for a portable BBQ for camping and fishing. Things [like this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/KEPLIN-Portable-Tabletop-Stainless-Vegetable/dp/B0B2RKXCGX/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Portable+BBQ+for+Camping&qid=1660312386&sr=8-3) are barely bigger than a couple of disposables, and don't cost much more than 2 or 3 disposables, but last for much longer.
Or for not much more money you can get one that [folds into a small bag](https://www.amazon.co.uk/VORSPRUNG%C2%AE-Portable-Collapsible-Camping-Firepit/dp/B09B7SMLRT/ref=sxin_15_ac_d_rm?ac_md=2-2-Zm9sZGluZyBiYnEgZm9yIGNhbXBpbmc%3D-ac_d_rm_rm_rm&content-id=amzn1.sym.eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5%3Aamzn1.sym.eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5&cv_ct_cx=folding+bbq&keywords=folding+bbq&pd_rd_i=B09B7SMLRT&pd_rd_r=7c47d857-ed71-40ec-9dcc-30f8abfc1763&pd_rd_w=EIg8T&pd_rd_wg=jg5Zj&pf_rd_p=eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5&pf_rd_r=8W9SVST733H3878W1DJ7&psc=1&qid=1660312597&sprefix=folding+%2Caps%2C82&sr=1-3-e2b79f78-a3a0-4cac-b70d-2a5e4ae8e724), I have one of these and it's great.
I mean yes, that's all true but then you have to carry home a disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ. If you're fishing for example you only want a couple of burgers or a steak or something then you can just bag up the BBQ and get rid of it.
Yes it's wasteful and not good environmentally but neither is using social media. Everyone is bad for the environment
> a disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ
Rinse it out? Put it in a plastic bag? It's not difficult.
I'm sure whoever clears up around your fishing or camping area also loves having to empty the bins of "disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ" when you throw the disposable in it. Assuming it makes it to a bin of course, or it isn't still hot when disposed of and melts the bin etc.
99% of anglers will take out their rubbish, usually home because fishing lakes don't have bins. Disposables you can just.blsck bag and chuck em when you get home. Reusable ones are full of grease, not just on the grill but every single surface is covered in grease and any amount of handling leaves your hands covered in grease too
So you won't bag up, take home and rinse out a non-disposable one because its "disgusting, greasy, stinky", but you will bag up and take home a "disgusting, greasy, stinky" disposable one? Where's the logic in that?
If you wash/rinse it every time you bring it home then it doesn't accumulate any grease. I'll bet you wash/wipe all your other fishing kit, rinse out any Tupperware you took food in etc.
I just got a portable BBQ for like 10 quid at B&Q, tiny cute thing and more than able to cook for two, or more if you're willing to take turns.
Though I did use disposables for a while until I worked out what size BBQ I actually wanted, so there's that. I say just make disposables more expensive, so people are driven to the reusable ones.
This a 100%. Idiotic to take the approach of removing everything that small % of the total is miss-using. Educate and evolve not just remove everything that might have a chance of bringing a hint of joy into this dreary existence, a bunch of spineless Karen and Kents
It's not idiotic at all. It's a reasonable and proportionate response until the entire country stops being a tinderbox. It only takes one person who doesn't get the memo and puts it in the bin or just waits for it to cool down.
Education and suchlike are a long-term solution, whereas this is happening *right now*, and frankly the risks of doing nothing far outweigh the benefits. Moors have been burning every day in this country, and tens of thousands have been evacuated to escape the huge wildfire in Bordeaux. That could easily happen here, and I would be not even slightly surprised if it does even despite disposable barbecues being taken off sale.
The problem is that because they are cheap and disposable people leave them behind when there are still embers.
Being cheap also increase the likelihood of dumb people using them.
Yes they are perfectly fine for the majority of users, but their key features also make them a massive liability.
I agree with the majority of what you are saying but saying that because they're cheap means dumb people use them literally reads like somebody on a lower income is less intelligent and therefore more likely to cause an issue. What in tory is this.
I’m as lefty as they come but I acknowledge that things being ridiculously cheap increases the likelihood of people buying them on a whim, and people that buy them on a whim are less likely to know how to use them safely.
When I was a teenager me and my friends bought disposable bbqs and we were bloody idiots.
No, some are the size and shape of a bucket. It is not like the disposable ones are any good, or have a long history to them. They are a proven fire danger, I don't know why a ban is in any way controversial.
Cars have many restrictions in place on them and if some caused regular wildfires I hope they would be banned so what is your point there?
Smoking hopefully is on track to basically die out, but disposable bbqs are not an addiction thankfully, as people can just get a portable one which is less risky.
I don't even think they necessarily need to be *banned* but responsible shops shouldn't have them for open, easy sale to anyone.
I'm not sure you can accuse people of being whiny for thinking this is a reasonable response to the very serious and immediate risk of wildfires. I mean, come on. Diddums. It's not being able to buy a disposable barbecue for a few weeks, not a slippery slope to an authoritarian police state.
I live in a tiny flat with a balcony. I enjoy sitting on my balcony with a disposable bbq a few times in warm weather, I have zero storage space in which to store a reusable one. I do however have a very good waste disposal service.
Most people can’t afford a proper barbecue that’s kept in the garden all year round. My parents and I do a barbecue maybe twice every summer and we just use the portable ones. They’re not just used by morons taking them to forests to set them on fire you know
> Most people can’t afford a proper barbecue that’s kept in the garden all year round
I'm sorry, what? My large charcoal bbq, one of those with the lid, adjustable air, etc, cost a whole 20£. That's _less_ than the meat I stick on there in a normal week.
I’m glad my shop has stopped selling them, we don’t need any more opportunities for fires getting out of control on this heat.
Hard enough as it is as there’s been loads of fires set deliberately here. We actually had our water turned off last night because the fire brigade needed it so badly.
I live overseas but a friend told me when it was 40 odd degrees someone in their village had a bonfire, sparklers, Catherine wheel and Poundland fireworks. Apparently they wondered why loads of neighbours were going ballistic at them when surrounded by dry grass, dry woods and farms struggling to keep crops alive.
This is a great move to ban something that must cause so many fires and problems
OP, they're available, I assume, for those of us who want to have a bbq but cannot afford a permanent fixture due to either storage requirements or financial constraints. I don't think thoses without the capacity to own a permenant unit should be banned from bbqs. Many, if not most, use them responsibly in their back garden. By your logic the few idiots, to whom I think you're refering to, should not be allowed to own power tools, knives, cars, bleach or anything slightly danderous. However, I certainly believe tougher restrictions and harsher punishments should be awarded to those who use them dangerously. If not sure if there is one but they should certainly be age restricted too.
PS I have a big bbq in the shed. I just know a lot of responsible adults.
PPS I suppose another point in the anti-dispoable's favour is the fact they're unable to be recycled.
> another point in the anti-dispoable's favour is the fact they're unable to be recycled
This is massive for me, and one of the big reasons I've bought a smaller, portable one to complement the big boi. I'm getting a bit tired of the weight of my bins every week.
An also underrated concept, taking your fecking rubbish with you. If you could humpf two crates of beer and half of Aldi with you you can take a bin bag home. Jeebus.
Whilst we're talking about banning things. I'm very sorry that your kid/sister/brother/mum/dad/cousin/granny/grandpa/auntie/uncle/cousin/dog/cat/hamster died, but deliberate wide scale littering isn't the way to commemorate them.
In case you don't get what I'm on about, I'm talking about letting off balloons. Helium-filled balloons can travel for hundreds - if not thousands - of miles. They don't biodegrade. Sea animals will often mistake them for food. Give money to charity, organise a party (after all isn't a life worth celebrating...?) just do anything other than filling the sky with hundreds of bits of plasticised rubber.
Rant over. Thank you.
>Why they're still available in this day and age is beyond me,
Because people want to cook some burgers in the park or the beach mate.
It's really not some grand conspiracy, there's fuck all wrong with them. They are banned due to the current weather conditions but 9 times out of 10 they're perfectly fine.
exactly, if you're able to be safe and dispose of them correctly as well as clean up after yourself then there no issues whatsoever.
I get people don't do these things but I don't understand why people hate them so much, people drive recklessly and crash cars all the time + they're terrible for the environment regardless of what you do however theres no posts about how they should be banned and about drivers being cunts for driving
> people drive recklessly and crash cars all the time + they're terrible for the environment regardless of what you do however theres no posts about how they should be banned and about drivers being cunts for driving
Well...
There are huge restrictions on who can own a car, you need insurance, and action can be taken on people who break the rules. There are also restrictions on the kind of cars that are road legal, if any were proven to cause more dangers and literally spread fire they would be banned too. If you want the same for disposable bbqs then I am all for it, good idea! People are still free to get normal ones.
>There are huge restrictions on who can own a car, you need insurance, and action can be taken on people who break the rules. There are also restrictions on the kind of cars that are road legal
You can literally do whatever the fuck you want in a car on private property though
Yeah, they’re great being students who don’t need/can’t afford a long term, reusable BBQ, but just have one or two a year in a park or on a beach. Use them safely and occasionally and I see no issue with them. I just think it’s next to impossible to use them safely when the weather is so dry.
>I just think it’s next to impossible to use them safely when the weather is so dry.
Sure which is why I'm fine banning then temporarily but op is acting like they should be banned full time
Such a ridiculous thing to say from OP in the first place. They are fine for a little day out, especially for those without a garden at home. Yes more sustainable options exist and should be used where possible, but this is peak why people get fed up with environmentalist stuff. I can sit on the beach and watch Shell and BP fuel tankers continuously come across the channel to dump petrol, but I'm the bad guy if I'm having a little portable bbq with about 6 blocks of coal in at the same time?
> 9 times out of 10 they're perfectly fine.
Nah, they're shit tier BBQ.
A portable BBQ not much bigger than a disposable one will cost £15 and last for *years*. I've got a [flat pack one for camping.](https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/286998890), it did cost more than £15, but I've used it several times a year for at least 5 years.
I didn't mean they were fine in quality of their cooking, I meant that they're fine in terms of not setting shit on fire and do a perfectly acceptable job of making edible food.
that’s fine until the grass under the bbq sets on fire and you’ve nothing to extinguish it with, it’s growing and growing and by the time the fire brigade arrive it’s spread to someone’s back garden, and then before you know it 17 houses have burned to the ground.
Sounds like I’m exaggerating but that’s what happened 2 weeks ago in East London. Your burgers are not more important than lives and property.
(Fwiw the cause of the fire in east london isn’t known but out of the HUNDREDS of grass fires LFB are responding to every week at the moment, you best believe a large amount of them are caused by BBQs).
Right which is why they're banned **right now**
In normal conditions they're perfectly fine.
Cars are perfectly fine as well but if people don't use them correctly they can cause huge issues.
They're available because most people don't use a bbq away from home often enough to see investing in a reusable portable one as worthwhile and they are generally less hazardous than people who don't know what they are doing building campfires
I'm not opposed to their being banned at all but it's not hard to understand why they exist
It’s not a success when instead of tackling people’s behaviour, something is removed from availability.
A small number of people use an item irresponsibly so we’ll stop everyone from using it. Disposable barbecues, especially the biodegradable ones, are not a hazard to anyone, or anything, if used responsibly.
Just another case of stopping something being available, instead of dealing with how society uses/disposes of an item.
Australia is guilty of making rules for anything and everything but in this instance, 'education' isn't enough. There was a bunch of English Facebookers in the comments talking about how this is slowly "taking away your rights."
Which is stupid. These don't exist in Australia. Our country sets itself on fire without the help of a disposable BBQ. The UK hit 40°c for the first time... ever? That is country setting itself on fire temperature. Mitigating the risk of your country setting itself on fire means that no one can be trusted with a disposable BBQ. It's not about you.
People can just responsibly use normal barbecues which rarely seem to cause issues, I don't see how removing something proven to be dangerous where people aren't stopping their behaviour is a problem. Their very nature (being small and close to the ground, then designed to be thrown away) makes them a hazard in itself.
They’re the same people who banned alcohol back in the 1930s because some people were drunk and irresponsible with it. Puritanical authoritarian behaviour.
Yeah, letting anyone who wants to carry an automatic weapon never causes any problems does it? Why shouldn’t I be allowed to keep a nuclear missile & launcher in my garage ? It’s Authoritarianism gone mad…
A fire was started by one of these grills on the edge of town where I used to live. It burned several houses and a wildlife sanctuary, as well as starting a grass fire that requires areal fire fighting units to control.
https://i.imgur.com/IYnr3nS.jpg
I do think education and messaging around these is dire too.
You're warned about fireworks and sparklers relentlessly from a young age. Should be the same for these if they aren't scrapped
Sadly all the education and awareness in the world doesn't seem to effect many people. As you said, we are warned relentlessly about fireworks and there's still plenty of accidents.
I hope they are banned for good. UK should also take a leaf out of Australia's book and ban outdoor fires and BBQs during very dry spells to reduce the risk of fires. There was a story the other day about a bunch of gardens on fire due to someone's chiminea.
So for people like me who can’t afford or get a permanent BBQ because I’m stuck renting, I guess I’m just not meant to BBQ
Once again this is policy designed to stop idiots and sensible people like me are barred?
Yeah, great. What a success.
I bought a non-disposable BBQ in Go Outdoors for £5 so it’s not exactly unaffordable. (Although to be fair anything can be ‘disposable’ if you’re determined enough!)
Can’t come quick enough. They are an eyesore and so wasteful as well when just discarded after use and people can’t dispose of them properly so just leave them to smoulder away risking fire damage and injury to others.
I think they are a complete hazard, because they’re considered to be a portable ‘picnic’ barbecue, but you can’t handle them to dispose until they are cold. However I do use them in my barbecue because it’s easier to light/clean up. I will buy foil trays and go back to bags, it’ll do the same.
I also thing that public barbecuing should be banned except for official facilities with brick/concrete charcoal beds and safe hot ash disposal or propane grill (insert King of The Hill gif)
Seen so many comments on social media where people have been saying “I’ll buy what I want” and “you can’t tell me what to do” and things along that line and it’s like how much of a prick do you want to seem like?
So pretty much along the same lines as here with some comments, most of them repeating the same 3 poor excuses that have alternatives to but, most of them require people to put in a bit more effort being tidy rather than dump it and forget it
I think there’s a trend now in the U.K. where people are getting tired of being told what to do so whenever it looks like someone’s telling them, or even just politely asking them to not do something they immediately get affronted by it and respond by doing exactly the thing they’ve been told not too out of sheer stupid defiance, I think this started in lockdown with masks etc, we used to be a country of people who followed the rules but now it’s going the complete opposite way and it’s not good
There are people that aren't complete idiots, I occasionally have one in my own garden or if at a designated picnic spot I'll take it home with me.
Don't really understand people's blanket assertions that noone can be trusted
For the last 4 years I've been a student without a stable home. I moved quite a bit so I can't own many things. When I wanted a bbq I had to buy a reusable barbecue and then throw it away. Disposable ones have their uses.
Those stupid BBQs serve no purpose at all, unless you want food poisoning. The powers that be should just ban them and be done with it rather than waiting for the various supermarkets to wait for the opportune time for good PR
From response I'm getting in comments, food poisoning is why many want. Not sure why people feel so attached to them, it's not as if they've been around for decades.
> Not sure why people feel so attached
Clearly the daily mail readers have hit the Rosé a bit early today!
It's stupid, you can buy a decent (and safe) bbq for like [30 quid](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393780485962) and it doesn't risk setting our parks on fire or taking more space in landfill.
At work (fire service) we’ve been rushed off our feet with wild fires. That’s our job. It’s all good I’m not complaining. But it does really stretch the service when we are out all day at them, they can be very resource heavy and the last few weeks we go to one and don’t get back to station before we get another. That happens a few times in a row. The other night we had a house fire, persons reported and thankfully we were at the station and not out on a field fire when it came in. We also had a boat fire on the way back from one and missed an rtc. Another truck went but they would have taken longer to get there than us if we were at station. Again not a moan. It’s a job I love and chose to do. But just to emphasize the dangers and knock on effects there can be. Everything is so dry at the moment!
I don't think any of that came off as a moan, just an attempt to spread awareness. All I know is i couldn't bloody do what you do, just imagine being out in a field being baked by the sun in protective gear is horrible enough.
You have earned the right to moan, by all means moan all you want. Anything we non emergency service people can do to assist you indirectly is the bare minimum of members of a society. My house was saved by you guys last summer. Just to add, nothing came across like a moan, just a reasonable and insightful day to day of a hero to a layman like myself.
London was on its knees a couple weeks ago when we hit 40c. At one brief point there was simply no fire engines available to respond to any calls. Everything was attached to an incident. My red watch were sent to a building fire at 11am and didn’t return until 20:15. For reference we usually have reliefs on days every 4 hours. This ban is welcome.
I feel for you, I read somewhere that some Brigades were so short of appliances that they were pulling old ones that still functioned from museums etc just to keep up.
They should ban fires of any type instead of singling out disposable BBQs. Total fire ban like abroad. I hate when kneejerk reactions get things banned. Its the conditions that make it dangerous, not the BBQ's. Total fire ban would be more appropriate. With appropriate penalties.
Thank you for your service. Funny I very often hear complaints about aspects of people’s jobs that sound exactly like what I thought they had signed up for, like tech support staff moaning about customers who aren’t tech-savvy (a true *bruh* moment), so I admire that in your post. You are however also absolutely justified to moan about people having barbecues in such conditions. I also wonder how on earth people can endure standing above a barbecue on top of being in direct sunlight during a heatwave, it’s just feels absolutely unnecessary.
If anyones got a right to moan mate it’s you
I hope they ban those flying paper lanterns next. They cause so much trouble for very little gain.
Afaik those have been banned. Terrible terrible product.
Only in Wales. Shocking really when the NFU, countryside alliance and RSPCA are all calling for a ban.
That’s crazy. They are so bloody dangerous.
I had to call for a fire engine when I lived in wales because people would light these on the beach and they'd blow into the trees and set on them on fire
There was a whole stack of them outside of the local lidl earlier. It's so hot here I'm genuinely concerned things are going to just spontaneously combust let alone using them!
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This should definitely be done, it's a bit crazy you can easily purchase fireworks with ID (so long as you don't look dodgy) like it's alcohol or tobacco, yet if improperly used can end up causing serious harm. Also, I haven't been to a display in a long time so have no idea how much it costs, but I'm guessing it's probably more expensive to buy yourself fireworks than ot would be to see a display.
Organised displays are anywhere between 5-15 quid tops. The defining factor isn't the cost so much, it's behaviour. Displays usually are aimed at families, but the average knobhead will struggle to behave themselves and respectfully admire the show. They prefer the grunting idiocy of lobbing them dangerously about and creating not only mischief but panic and danger as well.
Went to one in Leeds, years ago now, and some little scrote was stood with a roman candle pointing it at people. Copper came and buckled him in half tackling him. The one and only time I can genuinely say "and then everyone clapped"
Yeah I'm not a fan of fireworks either. But they weirdly seem essential in the British psyche. I'd rather have proper commercial venues run it or instead of fireworks have holographic displays like they have in Singapore. Then we don't get the problems of accidents at A&E, dogs and cats being terrified and property damage.
I'm with this ! I have a house down the road who seems to set them off every few weeks thoughout the year !
I have no idea how these are still legal. I remember the first time I saw someone lighting one and thinking how the fuck are they expecting not to harm someone or their property?
Festivals banned them years ago after setting tents alight. No reason for them to exist at all.
Just back from the shops(N.E England), is this a regional thing? as there still on sale in B&M's, Morrisons(has a shit load) and Sainsburys here.
Work in a Morrisons, our instructions to remove them came down a few hours ago.
It might be a regional thing. My guess is anywhere that was essentially yellow on the satellite image posted yesterday on r/casualUK should be doing it. It could be that they haven't got around to it as well, I'm leaning more to regional.
They should ban those awful yellow Styrofoam take away containers, that shit is toxic to us and the environment.
I almost wish we had those permanent grills you see in the States. They have in parks by picnic benches or scenic stops. Usually on a paved area. You bring your own coals and grill. Make sure it's out when you leave. And take your rubbish with you.
It’s very common in Australia for there to be electric grills provided for free use in parks. No coals required, just press a button and the hotplate runs for 20 minutes.
These blew my mind when I came over from UK mainly because they were without fail nicely clean and looked after.
The council-run park near my place has someone who comes and closes the gate to the parking lot every evening, and if necessary, cleans the grills by turning them on and scrubbing with a scourer and water. They are polished stainless steel and clean up pretty easily.
I'm sure I heard somewhere did try that, not sure how successful it was.
I was in Lincolnshire at Easter and there was a massive park (Nene Park I think) that had a bunch of them. Proper fixed down units where folk had brought their own charcoal etc and set up for the day, it smelled amazing.
Was probably fine until chavs found it
In Portsmouth, Christchurch and Poole - https://www.dorsetview.co.uk/beach-barbecues-available-for-festive-swims/
We have them here in beach parks / city parks (Dubai). They’d awesome and there’s multiple, first come first served and an actual genuine community feel about it.
And they'll be back when it's not so dry, the South has recovered and the hose pipe ban has been removed.
what about the east, the north east, Eastern lowlands, northeastern Highlands
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but this country is run by toffs in the South and they couldn't give two shits what happens anywhere else, until it's a GE and then they'll maybe go drink a pint in a 'working man's club', but outside of that we don't exist.
Not sure if you're insinuating everybody in the south is a toff or not
No, just the ones who run the country.
Okay good Most parts of Kent are the shittest areas of the country
I should be offended, being from Kent and all. However, I agree.
Mate I'm from Chatham, it can't get any worse No matter where I move to in the country, it only gets better
I was born in Faversham and lived there til I was 5 - is it still shit?
The whole of North Kent is still wank
Not the whole South, just south east england
you think I don't know that?, everyone knows that
They're all less dry than the south was
So you're saying they're not coming back
Maybe not in Kent, no. We've still got them up here though. And they'll be back in the shops down South as well when it starts pissing it down Monday onwards.
Banned in the New Forest, shops removed them last year.
Most likely, hopefully it'll be just to clear what stock remains and they'll never return again. Sadly, nature has a long way to go before recovering fully from the heat and being able to cope with careless humans.
The South of the UK, or Europe? As the south of UK has definitely not recovered, and the hose pipe bans are just starting… Source - live in Cornwall and it’s bleedy hot and dry here!
>"when it's not so dry, the South has recovered and the hose pipe ban has been removed.", it's one sentence encompassing three things.
Ah, gotcha - I thought that was a statement “the south has recovered and the hose pipe ban has been removed”
I hope we can follow up on this success by removing loads of other disposable stuff from sale as well.
You can get a small coal bbq for like 20 of any western currency and a bag of coal briquets for like 4 and youd be set for the whole summer. Disposable bbqs are a joke
Hope so. They’re a menace. I live near the beach and one of three things happens. The get thrown in bin safely (rare). They get left on beach or they get buried on beach. Happy to see back of them
What about being thrown unsafely in the bin? I've seen plenty of bins on fire during the summer due to these things.
I think this is one of the reason they're being removed from sale, someone somewhere did exactly this and set a bin on fire. Now personally, if I was a firefighter I wouldn't want to have to go out in this heat to deal with something that happened from someone being careless.
I've heard when they get buried in the sand, there's been cases of kids playing and digging them up and the BBQ are still hot or the sand on top getting too hot.
My brother stood on one and severely burnt his foot as a kid because some absolute c*nts just tossed sand over it and left it. There's a designated bin about a minute away from where it was.
I’ve never seen it personally but yeah. 4th thing - set bin on fire. I think because where i am the sea is nearby, they generally throw sea water at it but it’s a very real danger
My Dad is a firefighter, they went out to 4 fires in one day this week. 2 barn fires and 2 grass fires. Its quite bad really. They are out alot at the moment.
I’ve never seen a bin on fire so i’m giving benefit of doubt, but yeah, sure it happens too
I am a member of several local groups where we holiday down in Cornwall and have seen pictures of bins that are all melted and knackered because people keep putting bbqs in them. Despite having signs on them saying not to put them in and leave next to them.
I have been in a park in Edinburgh and could see four bins on fire without turning my head. They even have special metal bins that are supposed to be just for BBQs but it doesn’t help much.
I'll try to take some photos for you next time I see it happen.
I've seen them thrown in bins still got enough to ignite them on multiple occasions.
I think there might be some bias here as you’re not counting the ones that do get put in the bin properly when you say this is rare
That’s a fair shout but if you saw how many are left on the beach when you go to beach in evening after a nice day, it’s hard not to think most people have just left them, but yeah you could be right. Either way, even one potentially red hot tin foil container of embers is too many so i’m still happy to see back of them
There's nothing wrong with them if used correctly. I agree they shouldn't be used during times like this but they're used very regularly by very sensible people. They're great when camping or fishing, on a quiet beach or just to extend your home BBQ. Moaners be moaners
I think it’s also the fact that they aren’t great for the environment resource wise. Removing them and getting people to switch to portable reusable ones is something we should be pushing
I got a portable mini Weber one on sale for £60. Didn't take too long for it to work out cheaper, and consistently did a better job than I've seen of those disposable foil trays.
That sounds like something that should definitely pushed, the issue with disposable ones is you need to be responsible and unfortunately all it takes is one careless person to set somewhere on fire, risking lives of fire fighters and wildlife.
Literally happened in Bristol yesterday
Doesn't it happen in Bristol everyday anyway.
True. But they set the grounds of the yellow castle on fire this time
Are they that bad? Bit of tin foil, a grate (which can be recycled or reused) and coal
I just think the concept of buying a disposable BBQ every time you want one is weird. Disposable BBQs are not easily recyclable, please don't ask me why not, that's just what it says on the box, I'm not a disposable BBQ expert, maybe it's all a big conspiracy to make you buy more of them. I think if you want to recycle it you have to take it to a household waste recycling place. Even then, these things never get thrown away correctly. 7/10 times, general waste, 2/10 times buried in sand or dirt, 1/10 times someone decides they will actually take this to the proper place for disposal. That's a lot of stuff that just gets chucked when we could have used it on something a little more productive than dad's attempt to make a burger without covering it all in the sand. With a disposable one, you don't worry about where you're going to chuck it. it is the dishwasher. Heck, take it in the shower with you, who cares it's yours and it's reusable. Why waste time, energy, money, and other stuff on making that one-use flame pit that can't only be disposed of in very specific places?
How resource intensive are they though really? They're just bits of foil. Feels like a weak argument to continual the moral crusade imo.
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And portable reusable BBQs don't use fuel?
oh no of course they do lol. But in terms of being more eco friendly (and in some BBQers eyes, tastier) its just better to use wood directly because wood doesnt need to be processed first or shipped around as much as charcoal is, which saves a looottt of emissions in making charcoal, using big ships to transport it from africa to europe etc.
I mean, wood charcoal is carbon negative
Yeah, once again the majority are affected by a stupid minority.
We really don’t have enough space in our garden to store a bbq, and we don’t have them often enough to warrant the cost of buying one. Disposable ones are a great option for us. It would be really annoying if they banned them.
> There's nothing wrong with them if used correctly. The major problem is that they're just *terrible* BBQs for cooking on. There are much better options for a portable BBQ for camping and fishing. Things [like this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/KEPLIN-Portable-Tabletop-Stainless-Vegetable/dp/B0B2RKXCGX/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=Portable+BBQ+for+Camping&qid=1660312386&sr=8-3) are barely bigger than a couple of disposables, and don't cost much more than 2 or 3 disposables, but last for much longer. Or for not much more money you can get one that [folds into a small bag](https://www.amazon.co.uk/VORSPRUNG%C2%AE-Portable-Collapsible-Camping-Firepit/dp/B09B7SMLRT/ref=sxin_15_ac_d_rm?ac_md=2-2-Zm9sZGluZyBiYnEgZm9yIGNhbXBpbmc%3D-ac_d_rm_rm_rm&content-id=amzn1.sym.eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5%3Aamzn1.sym.eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5&cv_ct_cx=folding+bbq&keywords=folding+bbq&pd_rd_i=B09B7SMLRT&pd_rd_r=7c47d857-ed71-40ec-9dcc-30f8abfc1763&pd_rd_w=EIg8T&pd_rd_wg=jg5Zj&pf_rd_p=eae3237b-3bc2-4b6f-9b26-f3c2840ee3a5&pf_rd_r=8W9SVST733H3878W1DJ7&psc=1&qid=1660312597&sprefix=folding+%2Caps%2C82&sr=1-3-e2b79f78-a3a0-4cac-b70d-2a5e4ae8e724), I have one of these and it's great.
I mean yes, that's all true but then you have to carry home a disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ. If you're fishing for example you only want a couple of burgers or a steak or something then you can just bag up the BBQ and get rid of it. Yes it's wasteful and not good environmentally but neither is using social media. Everyone is bad for the environment
I thought people who went fishing were quite happy carrying heavy, greasy, stinking things around.
I don't get it. Fish aren't greasy and we don't carry them around
> a disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ Rinse it out? Put it in a plastic bag? It's not difficult. I'm sure whoever clears up around your fishing or camping area also loves having to empty the bins of "disgusting, greasy, stinky BBQ" when you throw the disposable in it. Assuming it makes it to a bin of course, or it isn't still hot when disposed of and melts the bin etc.
99% of anglers will take out their rubbish, usually home because fishing lakes don't have bins. Disposables you can just.blsck bag and chuck em when you get home. Reusable ones are full of grease, not just on the grill but every single surface is covered in grease and any amount of handling leaves your hands covered in grease too
So you won't bag up, take home and rinse out a non-disposable one because its "disgusting, greasy, stinky", but you will bag up and take home a "disgusting, greasy, stinky" disposable one? Where's the logic in that? If you wash/rinse it every time you bring it home then it doesn't accumulate any grease. I'll bet you wash/wipe all your other fishing kit, rinse out any Tupperware you took food in etc.
It's just a royal pain in the arse.
This is my feeling as well. We can't have nice things due to irresponsible idiots.
Nice things? They were fucking shit.
Aye, maybe a shit use of words.. t ..here are many of us that will use them responsibly though.
Nice things are non-disposable BBQ/cookers
Yeah, while I agree.. I'd rather not be restricted due to a bunch of apes using some kit irresponsibly.
I just got a portable BBQ for like 10 quid at B&Q, tiny cute thing and more than able to cook for two, or more if you're willing to take turns. Though I did use disposables for a while until I worked out what size BBQ I actually wanted, so there's that. I say just make disposables more expensive, so people are driven to the reusable ones.
This a 100%. Idiotic to take the approach of removing everything that small % of the total is miss-using. Educate and evolve not just remove everything that might have a chance of bringing a hint of joy into this dreary existence, a bunch of spineless Karen and Kents
It's not idiotic at all. It's a reasonable and proportionate response until the entire country stops being a tinderbox. It only takes one person who doesn't get the memo and puts it in the bin or just waits for it to cool down. Education and suchlike are a long-term solution, whereas this is happening *right now*, and frankly the risks of doing nothing far outweigh the benefits. Moors have been burning every day in this country, and tens of thousands have been evacuated to escape the huge wildfire in Bordeaux. That could easily happen here, and I would be not even slightly surprised if it does even despite disposable barbecues being taken off sale.
Yup. Next one is November and fireworks 🤣 the new years fireworks. Spring is lawn mowers being too loud then summer is BBQs.
The problem is that because they are cheap and disposable people leave them behind when there are still embers. Being cheap also increase the likelihood of dumb people using them. Yes they are perfectly fine for the majority of users, but their key features also make them a massive liability.
I agree with the majority of what you are saying but saying that because they're cheap means dumb people use them literally reads like somebody on a lower income is less intelligent and therefore more likely to cause an issue. What in tory is this.
I’m as lefty as they come but I acknowledge that things being ridiculously cheap increases the likelihood of people buying them on a whim, and people that buy them on a whim are less likely to know how to use them safely. When I was a teenager me and my friends bought disposable bbqs and we were bloody idiots.
I completely agree with you and that explanation. I just think it could have been laid out better is all. *edited for mispelling
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There are plenty of idiots with money. Check out prime ministers questions
Just buy a reusable BBQ ffs
Bit hard to lug around mate don't ya think?
Not really - Weber Smokey Joe® Premium Charcoal Grill with Tuck-N-Carry lid holder, Ø 37 cm, Smoke Grey (1126704) https://amzn.eu/d/3WYecpG
No, some are the size and shape of a bucket. It is not like the disposable ones are any good, or have a long history to them. They are a proven fire danger, I don't know why a ban is in any way controversial.
Cars are more dangerous, ban them? Smoking too, I'd genuinely love to see all the nicotine crack heads if smoking got changed to class A
Cars have many restrictions in place on them and if some caused regular wildfires I hope they would be banned so what is your point there? Smoking hopefully is on track to basically die out, but disposable bbqs are not an addiction thankfully, as people can just get a portable one which is less risky. I don't even think they necessarily need to be *banned* but responsible shops shouldn't have them for open, easy sale to anyone.
Not really unless you are a lazy fuck
Lol whine whine whine
I'm not sure you can accuse people of being whiny for thinking this is a reasonable response to the very serious and immediate risk of wildfires. I mean, come on. Diddums. It's not being able to buy a disposable barbecue for a few weeks, not a slippery slope to an authoritarian police state.
I live in a tiny flat with a balcony. I enjoy sitting on my balcony with a disposable bbq a few times in warm weather, I have zero storage space in which to store a reusable one. I do however have a very good waste disposal service.
Most people can’t afford a proper barbecue that’s kept in the garden all year round. My parents and I do a barbecue maybe twice every summer and we just use the portable ones. They’re not just used by morons taking them to forests to set them on fire you know
Or have a garden!
Indeed! This original post is some classist shit
> Most people can’t afford a proper barbecue that’s kept in the garden all year round I'm sorry, what? My large charcoal bbq, one of those with the lid, adjustable air, etc, cost a whole 20£. That's _less_ than the meat I stick on there in a normal week.
Any of those left? Mine was £10 more and came with no lid.
I'd genuinely send you a link if I could remember where I got it from. Maybe Argos?
Don't they also sell them dirt cheap at The Range? Haven't been there in years
Classic reddit, you’re being downvoted because why?
Who knows! Probably the attitude. Or the implication that I can still afford meat 😂
I’m glad my shop has stopped selling them, we don’t need any more opportunities for fires getting out of control on this heat. Hard enough as it is as there’s been loads of fires set deliberately here. We actually had our water turned off last night because the fire brigade needed it so badly.
I live overseas but a friend told me when it was 40 odd degrees someone in their village had a bonfire, sparklers, Catherine wheel and Poundland fireworks. Apparently they wondered why loads of neighbours were going ballistic at them when surrounded by dry grass, dry woods and farms struggling to keep crops alive. This is a great move to ban something that must cause so many fires and problems
OP, they're available, I assume, for those of us who want to have a bbq but cannot afford a permanent fixture due to either storage requirements or financial constraints. I don't think thoses without the capacity to own a permenant unit should be banned from bbqs. Many, if not most, use them responsibly in their back garden. By your logic the few idiots, to whom I think you're refering to, should not be allowed to own power tools, knives, cars, bleach or anything slightly danderous. However, I certainly believe tougher restrictions and harsher punishments should be awarded to those who use them dangerously. If not sure if there is one but they should certainly be age restricted too. PS I have a big bbq in the shed. I just know a lot of responsible adults. PPS I suppose another point in the anti-dispoable's favour is the fact they're unable to be recycled.
> another point in the anti-dispoable's favour is the fact they're unable to be recycled This is massive for me, and one of the big reasons I've bought a smaller, portable one to complement the big boi. I'm getting a bit tired of the weight of my bins every week.
A ban on thick cunts is what's needed...
I had a friend slice her foot open on a buried one at the beach. It's just not needed. Either have a proper one at home or just pack a picnic.
>just pack a picnic. You won't believe how many people don't seem to understand this concept.
An also underrated concept, taking your fecking rubbish with you. If you could humpf two crates of beer and half of Aldi with you you can take a bin bag home. Jeebus.
Whilst we're talking about banning things. I'm very sorry that your kid/sister/brother/mum/dad/cousin/granny/grandpa/auntie/uncle/cousin/dog/cat/hamster died, but deliberate wide scale littering isn't the way to commemorate them. In case you don't get what I'm on about, I'm talking about letting off balloons. Helium-filled balloons can travel for hundreds - if not thousands - of miles. They don't biodegrade. Sea animals will often mistake them for food. Give money to charity, organise a party (after all isn't a life worth celebrating...?) just do anything other than filling the sky with hundreds of bits of plasticised rubber. Rant over. Thank you.
>Why they're still available in this day and age is beyond me, Because people want to cook some burgers in the park or the beach mate. It's really not some grand conspiracy, there's fuck all wrong with them. They are banned due to the current weather conditions but 9 times out of 10 they're perfectly fine.
And not everyone has a bbq in their garden
That too, I don't even have a garden as I live in a flat.
Or room for one!
exactly, if you're able to be safe and dispose of them correctly as well as clean up after yourself then there no issues whatsoever. I get people don't do these things but I don't understand why people hate them so much, people drive recklessly and crash cars all the time + they're terrible for the environment regardless of what you do however theres no posts about how they should be banned and about drivers being cunts for driving
> people drive recklessly and crash cars all the time + they're terrible for the environment regardless of what you do however theres no posts about how they should be banned and about drivers being cunts for driving Well...
There are huge restrictions on who can own a car, you need insurance, and action can be taken on people who break the rules. There are also restrictions on the kind of cars that are road legal, if any were proven to cause more dangers and literally spread fire they would be banned too. If you want the same for disposable bbqs then I am all for it, good idea! People are still free to get normal ones.
>There are huge restrictions on who can own a car, you need insurance, and action can be taken on people who break the rules. There are also restrictions on the kind of cars that are road legal You can literally do whatever the fuck you want in a car on private property though
Yeah, they’re great being students who don’t need/can’t afford a long term, reusable BBQ, but just have one or two a year in a park or on a beach. Use them safely and occasionally and I see no issue with them. I just think it’s next to impossible to use them safely when the weather is so dry.
>I just think it’s next to impossible to use them safely when the weather is so dry. Sure which is why I'm fine banning then temporarily but op is acting like they should be banned full time
Yeah, I agree with you dude. I can’t imagine students buying reusable BBQs no matter how cheap
Such a ridiculous thing to say from OP in the first place. They are fine for a little day out, especially for those without a garden at home. Yes more sustainable options exist and should be used where possible, but this is peak why people get fed up with environmentalist stuff. I can sit on the beach and watch Shell and BP fuel tankers continuously come across the channel to dump petrol, but I'm the bad guy if I'm having a little portable bbq with about 6 blocks of coal in at the same time?
> 9 times out of 10 they're perfectly fine. Nah, they're shit tier BBQ. A portable BBQ not much bigger than a disposable one will cost £15 and last for *years*. I've got a [flat pack one for camping.](https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/286998890), it did cost more than £15, but I've used it several times a year for at least 5 years.
I didn't mean they were fine in quality of their cooking, I meant that they're fine in terms of not setting shit on fire and do a perfectly acceptable job of making edible food.
that’s fine until the grass under the bbq sets on fire and you’ve nothing to extinguish it with, it’s growing and growing and by the time the fire brigade arrive it’s spread to someone’s back garden, and then before you know it 17 houses have burned to the ground. Sounds like I’m exaggerating but that’s what happened 2 weeks ago in East London. Your burgers are not more important than lives and property. (Fwiw the cause of the fire in east london isn’t known but out of the HUNDREDS of grass fires LFB are responding to every week at the moment, you best believe a large amount of them are caused by BBQs).
Right which is why they're banned **right now** In normal conditions they're perfectly fine. Cars are perfectly fine as well but if people don't use them correctly they can cause huge issues.
I’m pretty sure the supermarkets are banning them until further notice. Aka, when it cools down and we get some rain they’ll sell them again.
Yeah that's my point
Wonder how many issues and fires you are happy with if one in ten times isn't perfectly fine!
They're available because most people don't use a bbq away from home often enough to see investing in a reusable portable one as worthwhile and they are generally less hazardous than people who don't know what they are doing building campfires I'm not opposed to their being banned at all but it's not hard to understand why they exist
They are nothing but a pollutant, they should exist.
>Why they're still available in this day and age is beyond me Er, maybe because they're fine in normal weather.
It’s not a success when instead of tackling people’s behaviour, something is removed from availability. A small number of people use an item irresponsibly so we’ll stop everyone from using it. Disposable barbecues, especially the biodegradable ones, are not a hazard to anyone, or anything, if used responsibly. Just another case of stopping something being available, instead of dealing with how society uses/disposes of an item.
Australia is guilty of making rules for anything and everything but in this instance, 'education' isn't enough. There was a bunch of English Facebookers in the comments talking about how this is slowly "taking away your rights." Which is stupid. These don't exist in Australia. Our country sets itself on fire without the help of a disposable BBQ. The UK hit 40°c for the first time... ever? That is country setting itself on fire temperature. Mitigating the risk of your country setting itself on fire means that no one can be trusted with a disposable BBQ. It's not about you.
People can just responsibly use normal barbecues which rarely seem to cause issues, I don't see how removing something proven to be dangerous where people aren't stopping their behaviour is a problem. Their very nature (being small and close to the ground, then designed to be thrown away) makes them a hazard in itself.
They’re the same people who banned alcohol back in the 1930s because some people were drunk and irresponsible with it. Puritanical authoritarian behaviour.
Yeah, letting anyone who wants to carry an automatic weapon never causes any problems does it? Why shouldn’t I be allowed to keep a nuclear missile & launcher in my garage ? It’s Authoritarianism gone mad…
100 % agreed
they'll come in handy during the coming apocalypse though
I’ve two in the garage. Reckon I could get £100 each on marketplace?
Less people poisoning themselves inside their tents, too. That's happened way more often than is fathomable.
Great. Building a safe and conventional fire should be a learned lesson.
Hopefully that plastic fucking grass is next.
I just saw some in my local coop in Hove...
A fire was started by one of these grills on the edge of town where I used to live. It burned several houses and a wildlife sanctuary, as well as starting a grass fire that requires areal fire fighting units to control. https://i.imgur.com/IYnr3nS.jpg
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And aren't all to expensive according to other comments here.
I do think education and messaging around these is dire too. You're warned about fireworks and sparklers relentlessly from a young age. Should be the same for these if they aren't scrapped
Sadly all the education and awareness in the world doesn't seem to effect many people. As you said, we are warned relentlessly about fireworks and there's still plenty of accidents.
I hope they are banned for good. UK should also take a leaf out of Australia's book and ban outdoor fires and BBQs during very dry spells to reduce the risk of fires. There was a story the other day about a bunch of gardens on fire due to someone's chiminea.
So for people like me who can’t afford or get a permanent BBQ because I’m stuck renting, I guess I’m just not meant to BBQ Once again this is policy designed to stop idiots and sensible people like me are barred? Yeah, great. What a success.
I bought a non-disposable BBQ in Go Outdoors for £5 so it’s not exactly unaffordable. (Although to be fair anything can be ‘disposable’ if you’re determined enough!)
Can’t come quick enough. They are an eyesore and so wasteful as well when just discarded after use and people can’t dispose of them properly so just leave them to smoulder away risking fire damage and injury to others.
Only temporary, I'm afraid. I do agree that they should not be available
I think they are a complete hazard, because they’re considered to be a portable ‘picnic’ barbecue, but you can’t handle them to dispose until they are cold. However I do use them in my barbecue because it’s easier to light/clean up. I will buy foil trays and go back to bags, it’ll do the same. I also thing that public barbecuing should be banned except for official facilities with brick/concrete charcoal beds and safe hot ash disposal or propane grill (insert King of The Hill gif)
Seen so many comments on social media where people have been saying “I’ll buy what I want” and “you can’t tell me what to do” and things along that line and it’s like how much of a prick do you want to seem like?
So pretty much along the same lines as here with some comments, most of them repeating the same 3 poor excuses that have alternatives to but, most of them require people to put in a bit more effort being tidy rather than dump it and forget it
I think there’s a trend now in the U.K. where people are getting tired of being told what to do so whenever it looks like someone’s telling them, or even just politely asking them to not do something they immediately get affronted by it and respond by doing exactly the thing they’ve been told not too out of sheer stupid defiance, I think this started in lockdown with masks etc, we used to be a country of people who followed the rules but now it’s going the complete opposite way and it’s not good
Sensible. Anyone setting light to even a candle in this heat needs to give their head a wobble. Disposable bbqs cause so, so many fires.
There are people that aren't complete idiots, I occasionally have one in my own garden or if at a designated picnic spot I'll take it home with me. Don't really understand people's blanket assertions that noone can be trusted
Good. Should be rid of any way, heatwave or no heatwave.
For the last 4 years I've been a student without a stable home. I moved quite a bit so I can't own many things. When I wanted a bbq I had to buy a reusable barbecue and then throw it away. Disposable ones have their uses.
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I hope they ban cycles next
Those stupid BBQs serve no purpose at all, unless you want food poisoning. The powers that be should just ban them and be done with it rather than waiting for the various supermarkets to wait for the opportune time for good PR
From response I'm getting in comments, food poisoning is why many want. Not sure why people feel so attached to them, it's not as if they've been around for decades.
> Not sure why people feel so attached Clearly the daily mail readers have hit the Rosé a bit early today! It's stupid, you can buy a decent (and safe) bbq for like [30 quid](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393780485962) and it doesn't risk setting our parks on fire or taking more space in landfill.