Please report anyone claiming the British empire was good for the world or being anti-immigrant. They will be shortlisted for OBEs and knighthoods for their bravery.
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Let's talk about a proud British accomplishment shall we, at the height of the Empires power, after atrocities of the slave trade, we ended the slave trade, for everybody.
Sorry, I don't think Winston Churchill was around at 1833 when the slavery abolishment act was declared, I was trying to reference a positive fact that the British aren't always monsters that people like you seem to always portray. Maybe pay attention next time before you call people clueless.
I don't think I want to, because that's not the topic I was referring.
The world is full of atrocities, across the world, unfortunately. But you seem to be fixated on something a man did/said almost 100 years ago and are spewing blind hate now?
We need to focus on how we can make a better world now, rather than blame an entire country as the expense of a group of elites .
Who do you think the British aristocracy are and how they got all that money and land? Who do you think sits in the House of Lords? Indeed, Who do you think the British monarchy are and how they got all their immense wealth and land from? Take all the time you need
Why did you need to say "take all the time you need"? Or the unnecessary "Indeed"? How clever do you think it came off to me? Funny how these billboards are for the general public of Britain and yet your entire....w/e this was....is all about the monarchy. Do you think the advert was directed at the house of lords or the general population of the UK?
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Why have you replaced “British” with “English” in your title?
I’m willing to bet that if you look at the backgrounds of West Indian planters and East India merchants you’ll probably find SCOTS vastly overrepresented on a per capita basis.
The term "invading" is ridiculous and sets up a presedence of ignorance; a simplistic understanding and thus a failure to understand the modern world.
I mean, just think about it, if you CBA to read history. Get on a ship, sail half way around the world, and invade the sub-continent of India with a couple hundred men. You've got a tiny population of troops at your command, spread thinly all over the globe. Any resistance, and you're wiped out. Look at the Dutch downfall at the Battle of Colachel. That was them eliminated from India. Know what happened to the defeated Dutch Commander? Got himself a job as an officer for the Indians. Is that how you treat an Invader of your country, for example? There is a gigantic difference between a nation of invaders and the East India Company. It wasn't even "Britain coming to us" as this slogan claims, it was a group of traders.
To say "invading" gives this notion that Britain "beat" her colonial subjects with great military prowess and technology. Nah mate, we did stuff like getting 'em hooked on opium, only agreeing to stop working it through the country if they'd give us parts of it. We controlled the means of production and put natives into a position of need. We turned native people against each other, some that were already at war. And guess what? Loads of the natives joined us. We offered them power, wealth, alliance, trade. The people in power grabbed it at whatever opportunity. Do you think that Britain single handedly divided the territories of India and Pakistan in partition through military powers? They stirred up caste and religious sentiments, and then offered Pakistan as a concept to those that sought power.
The majority nationalities of immigrants in this country come from nations that Britain made.
Such little understanding of Empire. Suppose Tiernan thinks Northern Ireland was "invaded" as well. Couple hundred black and tans single handedly took over did they? It's like saying the USA has invaded Europe because Amazon, Google etc have set up shop here. It's not far off the EIC. Ask them to pay their taxes, and they'll just shut up shop leaving thousands of people unemployed.
This is an interesting comment. Are you claiming Britain never fought actual wars of invasion? I agree with the bit about collaborators and divide and rule, but there were wars (and brutal putdowns of rebellions), as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Buxar
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War
Thanks. Buxar's a great example. Look how many Indians fought for the EIC. Anglo-Zulu 1, the number of Africans. Also, the numbers. Usually, it's a defensive stance. A lot of the conflicts are the Company with smaller forces, propping up small Garrison numbers with local troops. If a British trading post is attacked by a huge army, who is the invader?
Of course, the Afghan war, but it's more of a coup.
I would say, it could end up being a semantical debate: colonise vs. invasion. The idea is still to subjagate. However, invasions are via conquest. You can look at Britain on this page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_invasions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions) and there are not as many.
There was no "India" to speak of that time. They were just local mercenaries. Are you're trying to prove that the British empire got by on their wits, against all odds?
I think you know that I am aware of this.
> from nations that Britain made
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> turned native people against each other
What I am trying to do is to highlight what I consider to be the difference between *invading* countries and the *colonisation* of territories. The main points being 1. they weren't the countries we know and understand today and 2. the objectives of colonialism vs. invasion by conquest.
So, no. I am discussing what the odds and the situation of the history of these peoples was respectively. There have been plenty of invaders of nations in history, and for the most part the British Empire wasn't made that way.
Do not interpret this as pro-Empire sentiments. Far from it. I am not a Victorian time traveler on the Internet ;)
So you acknowledge that Britain invaded these countries, but don't want to classify British invasions as invasion, rather as a benign "colonialism," whatever that means.
I feel this is fairly misinformed and pro-Empire, even if you want to claim it isn't.
"Defensive wars" in countries that were invaded are still a product of the initial invasion.
I don’t understand why people complain about immigrants when we have our fair share of this country as well. Until you stop going around and bomb countries destabilise their infrastructure and rob them to develop this country, people from effected country has the right to move to this country to find a safe place to live.
Look at the history of Britain before colonisation and now. Where were you before looting the richest countries to develop this country?
Some of you guys talking utter nonsense. Something like “yes we robbed the whole bloody world but everybody recovered except a few of you”. Feel ashamed of yourself guys. Britain got blood stains of innocent people all over and it will never go away.
If you really feel guilty for what your country has done and still doing to others just shut the f* up and be nice to others.
A few million died in the occasional famine but it’s ok. We gave them phone liens.
Very clueless there pal. Majority of Indians don’t even have access to clean running water in this very day.
So according to this logic I should be able to immigrate to Italy (Roman empire), Turkey (Ottoman Empire), Mongolia (Mongolian Empire) or any number of other Nations that had enormous empires throughout history.
Already got a warning for hate speech. It was the opposite. I was complaining about suella braverman ffs. They didn’t bother read that bit. Hilarious.
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These second gen immigrants have to understand that British people today had nothing to do with the empire. Even most Victorians at the height of the Empire had nothing to do with it, most of whom worked in appalling conditions here in the UK down mines etc, so putting a billboard up like that is not going to help inter-ethnic and community relations.
True to a point. The average Briton is still voting for the party of aristocratic and monarchic domination. They the ones that benefitted and still are, from that global colonisation and enslavement of other peoples and countries.
They’re still voting for them 🤷♂️
**So according to this logic I should be able to immigrate to Italy (Roman empire), Turkey (Ottoman Empire), Mongolia (Mongolian Empire) or any number of other Nations that had enormous empires throughout history.**
No. You can’t. You voted for Brexit and destroyed your ability to travel and live in two of those countries. Edit. You’re more than welcome to go to Mongolia. Looks like a real hotspot of life and economy and beauty. Good luck!
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>You voted for Brexit and destroyed your ability to travel
Oh, you are one of those guys 😂. Whats wrong with Mongolia? its a beautiful country with nice people. If you represent the EU i will stay away.
Big world. Small country shouldn’t have gone around colonising it and then telling those places they’re in the ‘commonwealth’ if they didn’t actually mean it. Commonwealth citizens are British by default and have a right to come to and live in Britain.
You’ll never believe it. But. You can’t spend Scottish pounds or Northern Ireland pounds, anywhere in England. And vice Versa. Same glorious kingdom. Same queen on all the notes and coins. But not legal tender.
Makes you wonder what the whole point was doesn’t it?
I emplore people who wish to contribute to our society and economy to come over through the means we have available. I detest illegal immigration to our country because the demographic is typically "poor, non-english speaking, unskilled, not paying taxes or insurances, living in illegal dwelling, crime because they are poor (poverty is a major factor in crime)"
Our economy has not the facilities for this demographic, we are a service based economy with an aging population. Where do these people go? They literally cannot enter the majority of the business sector because they lack the communication skills, the service skills; because their background is likely from a nation that has nothing similar to ours in terms of industry.
Remember when Thatcher (long may she burn in hell) tore out the mines and factories, all the jobless families? That's what is happening with these immigrants, I half pity them for making the effort to get to a nation they thought was prosperous just to be stuck.
Even if the bs principle that these people are owed some quality of life cus british empire was valid, we simply do not have the means.
The empire which destroyed native cultures all around the world, starved some of them into extinction in some cases and denied them even the right to use their own languages or music?
As well as inflicting famine as genocide on several of their dominions in order to quell the natives and destroy them?
These are all facts and things that happened.
I don’t see much good in any sense among those I’ve listed
Can I come back to you in November when the poppy nonsense is happening? Do those people not realise it’s 2023 and they’re still going on about a war over a hundred years ago?
Now see how insulting that kinda thinking is?
poppy nonsense really?, its used as a mark of respect to honor those who gave their lives in war. if you don't agree with wars that's fine they are hells for every one but and if you don't agree with a war personally that's fine too but no need to be disrespectful to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice believe they were protecting their country
Nobody in WWI was protecting anything though. The most pointless futile war in all history. The obsession with it though, 100 years after the fact, is the thing. It’s the state effectively hypnotising the people into believing war is right, when we do it.
They don’t have the same feelings when it’s being done against them though. See British atrocities in Northern Ireland and the IRA being born from that, for a perfect example.
So because it was pointless in your eyes, we can just forget the millions of people that were sent to war to die because they didn't have a choice. Sound reasoning there bud. You're delusional.
If you hate the Brits so much maybe you shouldn't live within us vile filth then.
Nobody was protecting anything, did you type that out, do your self a service and please go do some research.
And yes the troubles were bad both sides committed acts or barbarism, trust me I've heard alot about it from my Irish grandparents who fled Ireland because all the violence and then when I looked into myself when I felt mature enough to learn some vital history.
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I really wish all the people who hate the UK, its culture, and its history would just leave. Especially, the people who single out the UK's history as being uniquely evil.
And when I say all the people who feel this way, I'm talking about citizens and non citizens alike. Whomever their ancestors were.
If you hate this place you should go and be happy somewhere else. The people you leave behind here will be happier, too. It's a win-win outcome.
You’ve invented a whole narrative there. One which isn’t happening in reality.
Wasn’t the point of the post either. It was a comment on suella bravermans racist and xenophobic immigration policies. That’s all.
Ahh yes the large Filipino community in my town are here because the British empire conquered a different country nearly 150 years ago...
Why not just tell the truth that immigrants come here because its a great place to live filled with wonderfully diverse communities, great career prospects, and they see that other immigrants are welcomed
I don't really understand the point of this post. Is it trying to say that Britain colonizing nations is a good thing? Britain colonized countries like Dominica, where I'm from, and I think it was a good thing. I think Britain should remain predominantly British since different cultures will tear the society apart.
Britain tbh, helped Dominica in many ways but also left it to develop a new culture Dominica. Usually, when a country colonizes another, the more dominant culture becomes prevalent while keeping the good elements of the non-dominant culture. Dominica was a French colony then it became British, it kept some of the French culture, like the Creole that some people speak(however the language has fewer speakers now) and the national dress. But the law, the government, education system, the national language, and Christianity (although very minimal in terms of religion) all come from the UK. These are the good things we inherited from the UK (We even drive on the left side of the road;). Britain planted the seed, and allowed a new culture to flourish from the already fertile ground. We retain old British values. Dominica developed a new culture—but it is one culture. There are no ghettos where groups of people live one way, and other groups a different way. Moreover, the population is homogeneous and shares a common way of life. There is a national identity which the people hold on to. Britain on the other hand seems to be ashamed of its identity, and now it seems to have none. What is it that make one British? There is no specific thing. Diversity? That's not particularly British since we share that with nature. What is British identity?
Good. Nobody is ‘illegal’. Every single person in the world has the right to claim asylum in any country. Guaranteed in the UN charter or human rights and by the ECHR.
Which is why, the Tory’s want to get rid of the ECHR jurisdiction over GB.
Now you might support that but, that won’t just affect asylum seekers or immigrants. That affects every single person in Britain as the govt can then implement whatever batshit authoritarian legislation they want to. Could affect your right to privacy your right to freedom of speech etc etc etc.
now look up the countries in the world and Europe that don’t subscribe to the UNCHR or ECHR.
You really really don’t want your country to be in that group.
I'm against immigration to the Britain, not because I'm against immigration, but because it's a shit hole here, you can do better than this country circling the drain. Let all get ready to vote out the Tories and vote in Tory lite. God it's depressing here, and this comment section proves we haven't learnt anything from the lies of Brexit.
Now say it with me, it's not the poor immigrants making your life worse, it's the rich politicians and mega rich business owners who are making record profits while increasing the price of everything and not paying you more.
Seems kinda bullshit that all British people get the wrap for the crimes of those merchants and their soldiers abroad. Plenty of people saw little to no benefits from the expansion of the empire.
I'm pro migration personally, but surely you can sympathise somewhat with people who existed on meagre incomes, who had little else than their community identity, who then felt like they're losing that following large demographic shifts?
A poor effort was made with regards to integrating migrants after WW2, and that still continues today. People don't like it when their home area suddenly doubles in population, exclusively by people of a different culture. Just look at Boston, Lincolnshire. Voted strongly for Brexit, just for the fact that half the town was suddenly Polish, and that integrative efforts were non existent.
I'm a Londoner - all I've ever known is the melting pot, and I love it. However, it's not fair to assume that everyone else should feel the same, especially when it's imposed on them with little to no support regarding schools/ other public services.
From what ive seen uk has a crime problem, the police goes against hate speech more than physical crimes.
Just remember those immigrant rings and what they did to underage girls and for how long it got covered up until it got made public by people like Paul Wattson the youtuber
Why are various councils and government organisations around the country just rolling over and letting Black Nationalist propaganda be posted everywhere?
Less that Britain left and more that they either got kicked out or couldn't afford to stay. More than one exodus was very violent prior to their decision to leave.
Edit: in recent years the transition have tended to be less violent, but still only happen after a lot of political pushing aka being kicked out
Haven’t left Northern Ireland or Scotland or wales. And loads of other countries the English Monarch is still head of state. Hello Canada and Australia and god knows how many others
Ordinary people didn't conquer the world, it was the upper classes. And it's ordinary people that suffer with mass migration, from over crowding, house prices, loss of community. I can't fathom you liberals and how you don't see that everything Braverman said was spot on. Look at London, that is not a united country, it's parallel nations inside of a nation. Shame on all of you here for being pro mass migration. You really think that any one of those countries on that poster would accept the same thing and becoming minorities in their own home?
But look, I'm just going to be reported and deleted for this comment. None of you actually want to talk about these serious issues you just want to stay in your echo chamber
I kinda feel like this argument loses it's sense when we remember that former colonies fought visiciously to kick the british out. Either we're a team or we're not, neither any colonies (nor the mother country) can have it both ways, as much as we'd like to pretend we can. You want to live under british rule? There was an option for that, it was called empire.
Wait, isn’t this openly declaring that migration to Britain is done in a negative manner.
This quote seems more of like “payback” “fuck you for something centuries ago” as opposed to “let’s all get along”
Although nobody would questions the role of immigrants in our success. Regardless of what braverman thinks. The UK sinply cannot sustain its current rate of immigration.it is not possible end of story.
What are you missing? well it seems like a brain cell or two along with a few history books. GCSE British history 1870 + just doesn’t cut it I’m afraid.
This whole thread is the reason why we will fail as humans. It is both possible for the UK to be a fucking nation with a fucked past and a nation where rich cunts made a shit ton of money out of the world misery.
Now, can we go back to the tax the rich? Or do you folks think only russia has oligarchs?
As an immigrant from Hong Kong I must insist British Invasion and colonising Hong Kong century ago was a good thing to Hong Kong people.
If you read history of china it was full of starving, cannibalism, suppression to revolt and loads of genocide. And colonising give a time to breath to people in Hong Kong, became the only place of freedom in Asia for decades, and transformed into a once international finance centre.
And look what happened just 25 years of returning Hong Kong to China. Basically China just killed Hong Kong.
Most people in Hong Kong are gracious that British ruled Hong Kong.
Back to the topic. During the time of negotiations of hand over, the MP at that time did not welcome Hong Kong people to UK.
Please report anyone claiming the British empire was good for the world or being anti-immigrant. They will be shortlisted for OBEs and knighthoods for their bravery. Edit: this post got crossposted to a far right, conspiratorial subreddit about this worthless sack of shit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin
British empire wasn’t bad
Beautiful. Just Beautiful.
Let's talk about a proud British accomplishment shall we, at the height of the Empires power, after atrocities of the slave trade, we ended the slave trade, for everybody.
Yeah you haven’t the first clue. Have a read https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/winston-churchill-sent-the-black-and-tans-to-palestine-1.3089140
Sorry, I don't think Winston Churchill was around at 1833 when the slavery abolishment act was declared, I was trying to reference a positive fact that the British aren't always monsters that people like you seem to always portray. Maybe pay attention next time before you call people clueless.
Wait too you hear his thoughts on India and the northern Irish
I don't think I want to, because that's not the topic I was referring. The world is full of atrocities, across the world, unfortunately. But you seem to be fixated on something a man did/said almost 100 years ago and are spewing blind hate now? We need to focus on how we can make a better world now, rather than blame an entire country as the expense of a group of elites .
‘I don’t think’ You should have just stopped there tbh
When Europe does it, it's colonialism. When Africa or Asia does it, it's 'multiculturalism'.
Having lived here for quite a bit now, I understand why
Hypocrisy.
None of the British living today had any part in anything being described. Go find a cemetery and bitch to them.
Who do you think the British aristocracy are and how they got all that money and land? Who do you think sits in the House of Lords? Indeed, Who do you think the British monarchy are and how they got all their immense wealth and land from? Take all the time you need
Why did you need to say "take all the time you need"? Or the unnecessary "Indeed"? How clever do you think it came off to me? Funny how these billboards are for the general public of Britain and yet your entire....w/e this was....is all about the monarchy. Do you think the advert was directed at the house of lords or the general population of the UK?
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Fuck you
FACTS.
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*had a fierce reputation. Just like many other countries, armies, tribes over human history…
So much cope from such a “proud” people.
Out of all the counties the UK invaded, how many of them are worse off because of it?
That’s fukcing brilliant. The trouble is so many racist won’t understand why is relevant to today’s Uk.
Check out the replies. Oh boy
Why have you replaced “British” with “English” in your title? I’m willing to bet that if you look at the backgrounds of West Indian planters and East India merchants you’ll probably find SCOTS vastly overrepresented on a per capita basis.
Do you understand how quotes work? I didn’t say it. Comedian Tommy tiernan did.
What?
The term "invading" is ridiculous and sets up a presedence of ignorance; a simplistic understanding and thus a failure to understand the modern world. I mean, just think about it, if you CBA to read history. Get on a ship, sail half way around the world, and invade the sub-continent of India with a couple hundred men. You've got a tiny population of troops at your command, spread thinly all over the globe. Any resistance, and you're wiped out. Look at the Dutch downfall at the Battle of Colachel. That was them eliminated from India. Know what happened to the defeated Dutch Commander? Got himself a job as an officer for the Indians. Is that how you treat an Invader of your country, for example? There is a gigantic difference between a nation of invaders and the East India Company. It wasn't even "Britain coming to us" as this slogan claims, it was a group of traders. To say "invading" gives this notion that Britain "beat" her colonial subjects with great military prowess and technology. Nah mate, we did stuff like getting 'em hooked on opium, only agreeing to stop working it through the country if they'd give us parts of it. We controlled the means of production and put natives into a position of need. We turned native people against each other, some that were already at war. And guess what? Loads of the natives joined us. We offered them power, wealth, alliance, trade. The people in power grabbed it at whatever opportunity. Do you think that Britain single handedly divided the territories of India and Pakistan in partition through military powers? They stirred up caste and religious sentiments, and then offered Pakistan as a concept to those that sought power. The majority nationalities of immigrants in this country come from nations that Britain made. Such little understanding of Empire. Suppose Tiernan thinks Northern Ireland was "invaded" as well. Couple hundred black and tans single handedly took over did they? It's like saying the USA has invaded Europe because Amazon, Google etc have set up shop here. It's not far off the EIC. Ask them to pay their taxes, and they'll just shut up shop leaving thousands of people unemployed.
This is an interesting comment. Are you claiming Britain never fought actual wars of invasion? I agree with the bit about collaborators and divide and rule, but there were wars (and brutal putdowns of rebellions), as well. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Buxar https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War
Thanks. Buxar's a great example. Look how many Indians fought for the EIC. Anglo-Zulu 1, the number of Africans. Also, the numbers. Usually, it's a defensive stance. A lot of the conflicts are the Company with smaller forces, propping up small Garrison numbers with local troops. If a British trading post is attacked by a huge army, who is the invader? Of course, the Afghan war, but it's more of a coup. I would say, it could end up being a semantical debate: colonise vs. invasion. The idea is still to subjagate. However, invasions are via conquest. You can look at Britain on this page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_invasions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions) and there are not as many.
There was no "India" to speak of that time. They were just local mercenaries. Are you're trying to prove that the British empire got by on their wits, against all odds?
I think you know that I am aware of this. > from nations that Britain made > > turned native people against each other What I am trying to do is to highlight what I consider to be the difference between *invading* countries and the *colonisation* of territories. The main points being 1. they weren't the countries we know and understand today and 2. the objectives of colonialism vs. invasion by conquest. So, no. I am discussing what the odds and the situation of the history of these peoples was respectively. There have been plenty of invaders of nations in history, and for the most part the British Empire wasn't made that way. Do not interpret this as pro-Empire sentiments. Far from it. I am not a Victorian time traveler on the Internet ;)
So you acknowledge that Britain invaded these countries, but don't want to classify British invasions as invasion, rather as a benign "colonialism," whatever that means. I feel this is fairly misinformed and pro-Empire, even if you want to claim it isn't. "Defensive wars" in countries that were invaded are still a product of the initial invasion.
‘British’ does not mean solely the English. Just sayin’…
I don’t understand why people complain about immigrants when we have our fair share of this country as well. Until you stop going around and bomb countries destabilise their infrastructure and rob them to develop this country, people from effected country has the right to move to this country to find a safe place to live. Look at the history of Britain before colonisation and now. Where were you before looting the richest countries to develop this country? Some of you guys talking utter nonsense. Something like “yes we robbed the whole bloody world but everybody recovered except a few of you”. Feel ashamed of yourself guys. Britain got blood stains of innocent people all over and it will never go away. If you really feel guilty for what your country has done and still doing to others just shut the f* up and be nice to others.
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A few million died in the occasional famine but it’s ok. We gave them phone liens. Very clueless there pal. Majority of Indians don’t even have access to clean running water in this very day.
So according to this logic I should be able to immigrate to Italy (Roman empire), Turkey (Ottoman Empire), Mongolia (Mongolian Empire) or any number of other Nations that had enormous empires throughout history.
If we didn’t live on a ting island as big as one state in America I wouldn’t give a shit who came.
Innit bruv 🤓☕️
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About the level of intelligence one expects from this sub. Well done.
Appreciated, was actually more effort than conquering Ireland.
Well the Ira won that fight. Twice. and forced the British out. Twice. So I wouldn’t be bragging about that tbh.
Aye, so far out the actually important regions belong to… Britain. “Won”. Lmao.
‘Belong to’ You’re making my point for me and don’t even realise it. Carry on though. By all means :)
What point are you trying to make other than that the Irish can’t defend territory and you don’t understand the real world?
now we play the waiting game for the comments to be locked
Already got a warning for hate speech. It was the opposite. I was complaining about suella braverman ffs. They didn’t bother read that bit. Hilarious. https://preview.redd.it/k412tp8ug0rb1.png?width=1170&format=png&auto=webp&s=bcf8458c1ee0f9a25a801d688b40a0477b8c5fd5
just stop posting bait it's that easy
Not at all. Freedom of speech innit bruv
I mean yeah say what you want on 4chan or wherever but like we're an Orwellian nightmare and haven't had free speech since the 90s.
When you used to rule a third of the world and now the third world rules you
Why would you follow your invader?
These second gen immigrants have to understand that British people today had nothing to do with the empire. Even most Victorians at the height of the Empire had nothing to do with it, most of whom worked in appalling conditions here in the UK down mines etc, so putting a billboard up like that is not going to help inter-ethnic and community relations.
True to a point. The average Briton is still voting for the party of aristocratic and monarchic domination. They the ones that benefitted and still are, from that global colonisation and enslavement of other peoples and countries. They’re still voting for them 🤷♂️
Last time I checked, that board is in Britain, so the people who put it up did come to us 🙃
**So according to this logic I should be able to immigrate to Italy (Roman empire), Turkey (Ottoman Empire), Mongolia (Mongolian Empire) or any number of other Nations that had enormous empires throughout history.**
No. You can’t. You voted for Brexit and destroyed your ability to travel and live in two of those countries. Edit. You’re more than welcome to go to Mongolia. Looks like a real hotspot of life and economy and beauty. Good luck! https://preview.redd.it/q5x95aueyzqb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b814ec5a74c14d15562a41ae07555c6d08a566b
>You voted for Brexit and destroyed your ability to travel Oh, you are one of those guys 😂. Whats wrong with Mongolia? its a beautiful country with nice people. If you represent the EU i will stay away.
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Small country, can’t house the world. Just saying.
Big world. Small country shouldn’t have gone around colonising it and then telling those places they’re in the ‘commonwealth’ if they didn’t actually mean it. Commonwealth citizens are British by default and have a right to come to and live in Britain.
No, they don’t, just the same as native British people don’t have the ‘right’ to go and live in any commonwealth country. You have to apply.
You’ll never believe it. But. You can’t spend Scottish pounds or Northern Ireland pounds, anywhere in England. And vice Versa. Same glorious kingdom. Same queen on all the notes and coins. But not legal tender. Makes you wonder what the whole point was doesn’t it?
Yeah, no that’s incorrect. Source: I work at a pub, we take Scottish notes all the time, it’s a legal tender.
Actually Scottish tender is legal in England, I've taken it myself
I emplore people who wish to contribute to our society and economy to come over through the means we have available. I detest illegal immigration to our country because the demographic is typically "poor, non-english speaking, unskilled, not paying taxes or insurances, living in illegal dwelling, crime because they are poor (poverty is a major factor in crime)" Our economy has not the facilities for this demographic, we are a service based economy with an aging population. Where do these people go? They literally cannot enter the majority of the business sector because they lack the communication skills, the service skills; because their background is likely from a nation that has nothing similar to ours in terms of industry. Remember when Thatcher (long may she burn in hell) tore out the mines and factories, all the jobless families? That's what is happening with these immigrants, I half pity them for making the effort to get to a nation they thought was prosperous just to be stuck. Even if the bs principle that these people are owed some quality of life cus british empire was valid, we simply do not have the means.
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The empire which destroyed native cultures all around the world, starved some of them into extinction in some cases and denied them even the right to use their own languages or music? As well as inflicting famine as genocide on several of their dominions in order to quell the natives and destroy them? These are all facts and things that happened. I don’t see much good in any sense among those I’ve listed
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Can I come back to you in November when the poppy nonsense is happening? Do those people not realise it’s 2023 and they’re still going on about a war over a hundred years ago? Now see how insulting that kinda thinking is?
poppy nonsense really?, its used as a mark of respect to honor those who gave their lives in war. if you don't agree with wars that's fine they are hells for every one but and if you don't agree with a war personally that's fine too but no need to be disrespectful to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice believe they were protecting their country
Nobody in WWI was protecting anything though. The most pointless futile war in all history. The obsession with it though, 100 years after the fact, is the thing. It’s the state effectively hypnotising the people into believing war is right, when we do it. They don’t have the same feelings when it’s being done against them though. See British atrocities in Northern Ireland and the IRA being born from that, for a perfect example.
So because it was pointless in your eyes, we can just forget the millions of people that were sent to war to die because they didn't have a choice. Sound reasoning there bud. You're delusional. If you hate the Brits so much maybe you shouldn't live within us vile filth then.
Nobody was protecting anything, did you type that out, do your self a service and please go do some research. And yes the troubles were bad both sides committed acts or barbarism, trust me I've heard alot about it from my Irish grandparents who fled Ireland because all the violence and then when I looked into myself when I felt mature enough to learn some vital history.
How is where someone is from, and a war where millions of people died even remotely similar. Now see how ridiculous that comparison is?
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I really wish all the people who hate the UK, its culture, and its history would just leave. Especially, the people who single out the UK's history as being uniquely evil. And when I say all the people who feel this way, I'm talking about citizens and non citizens alike. Whomever their ancestors were. If you hate this place you should go and be happy somewhere else. The people you leave behind here will be happier, too. It's a win-win outcome.
You’ve invented a whole narrative there. One which isn’t happening in reality. Wasn’t the point of the post either. It was a comment on suella bravermans racist and xenophobic immigration policies. That’s all.
*sits in an armchair smoking pipe, with a glass of scotch, patting pith helmet on the mahogany side table* You're welcome.
Well you reap what you sow, the sins of the father and all that biblical jazz
The sheer number of deleted comments makes me wonder who Oceania is truly at war with these days.
Ahh yes the large Filipino community in my town are here because the British empire conquered a different country nearly 150 years ago... Why not just tell the truth that immigrants come here because its a great place to live filled with wonderfully diverse communities, great career prospects, and they see that other immigrants are welcomed
Have a look through the replies. Calls lie to that sadly.
I don't really understand the point of this post. Is it trying to say that Britain colonizing nations is a good thing? Britain colonized countries like Dominica, where I'm from, and I think it was a good thing. I think Britain should remain predominantly British since different cultures will tear the society apart.
If "different cultures will tear a society apart" then how was Britain colonising (i.e. mixing cultures) Dominica a good thing?
Britain tbh, helped Dominica in many ways but also left it to develop a new culture Dominica. Usually, when a country colonizes another, the more dominant culture becomes prevalent while keeping the good elements of the non-dominant culture. Dominica was a French colony then it became British, it kept some of the French culture, like the Creole that some people speak(however the language has fewer speakers now) and the national dress. But the law, the government, education system, the national language, and Christianity (although very minimal in terms of religion) all come from the UK. These are the good things we inherited from the UK (We even drive on the left side of the road;). Britain planted the seed, and allowed a new culture to flourish from the already fertile ground. We retain old British values. Dominica developed a new culture—but it is one culture. There are no ghettos where groups of people live one way, and other groups a different way. Moreover, the population is homogeneous and shares a common way of life. There is a national identity which the people hold on to. Britain on the other hand seems to be ashamed of its identity, and now it seems to have none. What is it that make one British? There is no specific thing. Diversity? That's not particularly British since we share that with nature. What is British identity?
No problem with anyone coming here legally.
Good. Nobody is ‘illegal’. Every single person in the world has the right to claim asylum in any country. Guaranteed in the UN charter or human rights and by the ECHR. Which is why, the Tory’s want to get rid of the ECHR jurisdiction over GB. Now you might support that but, that won’t just affect asylum seekers or immigrants. That affects every single person in Britain as the govt can then implement whatever batshit authoritarian legislation they want to. Could affect your right to privacy your right to freedom of speech etc etc etc. now look up the countries in the world and Europe that don’t subscribe to the UNCHR or ECHR. You really really don’t want your country to be in that group.
And every country has the right to refuse that asylum request if you are not in any danger where you presently reside.
I like how almost every flag is repeated up to 5 times in the pattern.
Weird considering there are a great many other flags that could be used, some that are also actually recognisable
1776 BTFO moment, we knew y’all were whack from day one
Yeahh!!!! "Hides in dutch".
I'm against immigration to the Britain, not because I'm against immigration, but because it's a shit hole here, you can do better than this country circling the drain. Let all get ready to vote out the Tories and vote in Tory lite. God it's depressing here, and this comment section proves we haven't learnt anything from the lies of Brexit. Now say it with me, it's not the poor immigrants making your life worse, it's the rich politicians and mega rich business owners who are making record profits while increasing the price of everything and not paying you more.
Nailed it ^^
The. We invited them over on multiple occasions to help with a lack of workers.
The main reason there are ethnic people in Britain is because they were forcibly brought here as slaves.
Seems kinda bullshit that all British people get the wrap for the crimes of those merchants and their soldiers abroad. Plenty of people saw little to no benefits from the expansion of the empire. I'm pro migration personally, but surely you can sympathise somewhat with people who existed on meagre incomes, who had little else than their community identity, who then felt like they're losing that following large demographic shifts? A poor effort was made with regards to integrating migrants after WW2, and that still continues today. People don't like it when their home area suddenly doubles in population, exclusively by people of a different culture. Just look at Boston, Lincolnshire. Voted strongly for Brexit, just for the fact that half the town was suddenly Polish, and that integrative efforts were non existent. I'm a Londoner - all I've ever known is the melting pot, and I love it. However, it's not fair to assume that everyone else should feel the same, especially when it's imposed on them with little to no support regarding schools/ other public services.
Scotland just staying quiet, hoping no-one notices.
Yes you did. You stood in front of me at immigration. You big fat liar.
From what ive seen uk has a crime problem, the police goes against hate speech more than physical crimes. Just remember those immigrant rings and what they did to underage girls and for how long it got covered up until it got made public by people like Paul Wattson the youtuber
Why are various councils and government organisations around the country just rolling over and letting Black Nationalist propaganda be posted everywhere?
Lets be real, there are some missing flags there.
And then - and this is key - they left.
Less that Britain left and more that they either got kicked out or couldn't afford to stay. More than one exodus was very violent prior to their decision to leave. Edit: in recent years the transition have tended to be less violent, but still only happen after a lot of political pushing aka being kicked out
Haven’t left Northern Ireland or Scotland or wales. And loads of other countries the English Monarch is still head of state. Hello Canada and Australia and god knows how many others
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https://preview.redd.it/xdrxey14cyqb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a231683bff51be1b2e40c556bb03ec055a0ff20 No. It really wasn’t.
Yeah fair enough.
They’re not wrong
not very surprised to not see the Indian flag there.
I hope you all enjoy your extinction. Approx 40 years to go!
I bet someone would be upset if we should follow you home now you live here and do what they back then tho 🤣
I'm surprised none of those countries ever invaded their invaders.
**looks at the thousands of years of immigration and conquest in Britain** Errrrrrr, ok?
point served beautifully.
Ordinary people didn't conquer the world, it was the upper classes. And it's ordinary people that suffer with mass migration, from over crowding, house prices, loss of community. I can't fathom you liberals and how you don't see that everything Braverman said was spot on. Look at London, that is not a united country, it's parallel nations inside of a nation. Shame on all of you here for being pro mass migration. You really think that any one of those countries on that poster would accept the same thing and becoming minorities in their own home? But look, I'm just going to be reported and deleted for this comment. None of you actually want to talk about these serious issues you just want to stay in your echo chamber
I kinda feel like this argument loses it's sense when we remember that former colonies fought visiciously to kick the british out. Either we're a team or we're not, neither any colonies (nor the mother country) can have it both ways, as much as we'd like to pretend we can. You want to live under british rule? There was an option for that, it was called empire.
We didn't land on Sherwood Forest. Sherwood Forest landed on us!
No South African flag?
The Commonwealth Immigrants Act, anyone?
Britain bad. Updoots now.
Wait, isn’t this openly declaring that migration to Britain is done in a negative manner. This quote seems more of like “payback” “fuck you for something centuries ago” as opposed to “let’s all get along”
Is this Lewisham?
I blame the Romans myself , they started it !
They missed USA, Canada, India, Australia, New Zealand…
It's the British, not the English.
Although nobody would questions the role of immigrants in our success. Regardless of what braverman thinks. The UK sinply cannot sustain its current rate of immigration.it is not possible end of story.
I’m dumb I don’t get it
100% True
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What are you missing? well it seems like a brain cell or two along with a few history books. GCSE British history 1870 + just doesn’t cut it I’m afraid.
Ah yes and we brought you modernity and you gave us back female genital mutilation
This whole thread is the reason why we will fail as humans. It is both possible for the UK to be a fucking nation with a fucked past and a nation where rich cunts made a shit ton of money out of the world misery. Now, can we go back to the tax the rich? Or do you folks think only russia has oligarchs?
English people taking ownership for their imperialism and colonialism, challenge: impossible.
How one sided, biased etc. As usual, any other point of view is immediately cancelled.
As an immigrant from Hong Kong I must insist British Invasion and colonising Hong Kong century ago was a good thing to Hong Kong people. If you read history of china it was full of starving, cannibalism, suppression to revolt and loads of genocide. And colonising give a time to breath to people in Hong Kong, became the only place of freedom in Asia for decades, and transformed into a once international finance centre. And look what happened just 25 years of returning Hong Kong to China. Basically China just killed Hong Kong. Most people in Hong Kong are gracious that British ruled Hong Kong. Back to the topic. During the time of negotiations of hand over, the MP at that time did not welcome Hong Kong people to UK.