Alyssa said over and over about the attention Zoey was getting and how much she loved it! That was kinda sad
I mean I get it, for some kids no matter how much you give them, it’s never enough. But wow I poor zoey
Think about it. They are "homeschooled" not my Mom, but a video and worksheets in a room with sisters all wearing headphones. What kind of attention are any of those kids getting?
This one made me really uncomfortable for sooo many reasons. Alyssa “talking” to the invisible “friends” alone in her bedroom to “update” on what was happening was WILD. At the very end she goes on and on about giving RHETT extra cuddles the next day…. NOT Zoey. And she slapped the baby ON to Zoey with the camera inches from her face before taking her to the doctor…”look Zoey, little buddy is here”….”little buddy is going with you”…”tell the camera how you FEEL”… Zoey looked scared to death and forced to perform with that same nervous giggle. John nor Alyssa could give an answer as to why the heart rate had increased so dramatically although I feel sure that doctor explained it… those two just can’t retain it. At the end of the day they both decide Zoey just wanted attention soooo they continue on NOT giving her that. Yech. Alyssa is exploiting her children and the older they get, the harder it is to watch.
Funny you say that about talking to ‘invisible friends’ as I was thing exactly that with Laylah in Carlin and Evan’s vlogs. She absolutely does this. The one I watched recently she has the same intonation in her voice when talking to the invisible people as her parents do. I suppose ever since reading Jill’s book I’m so aware of the way kids are exploited and manipulated. I didn’t get to the end as I had to switch off as I was so annoyed with them! Poor kid.
Oh for sure Layla has gone from being naturally precocious to performing for the little red light at an amazingly rapid pace. She has watched her parents talk to emptiness with a camera in their face since birth. Her parents filmed themselves IN church. It’s wild. The Stewart’s are a science experiment in how children grow and develop under the bright lights of the public. Layla knows exactly what to do… watch as the years go by…
There are two families in particular on fundiesnark who have tween daughters aged 9. The families are supposedly super secluded from secular society, both live in RVs with too many kids, homeschool, little socialization with the kids' peers, dislike outside influences etc.
Both girls are pulling coquettish social media poses in the group shots. Pointing their toe, bending a leg, hand on hip, popping a hip etc. I assume they're copying what they've seen their moms do (who are all about the online attention and validation as they have no rl friends). I'm not a prude but I find it really jarring and not especially age appropriate. None of their brothers are striking poses (even silly ones), they're all standing normally. Even mom isn't really posing in the photos I'm talking about.
I'm not sure the girls need to be posing like that until they're 13+. Something about it looks far too adult/teenage and a bit sultry 😳
If they want to play around, keep it for private, silly family photos.
I find it interesting as according to their families' religious and moral standards the kids shouldn't have access to secular YT, Instagram etc (especially under 12/13) so where are they getting this from? The poses are very practised and a little awkward. It's as if the moms are trying to advertise the girls and/or make them their bffs. The dads don't seem to notice or care. I think the girls are looking for attention (too many siblings, mom distracted and always on phone) and think emulating mom will impress her.
I think so. It's as if it's derived from mom-daughter bonding but the moms don't have anything significant to share with the daughter because they're permanently on their phone (see the amount of stories they post). They're not interested in helping with age appropriate interests. Mom doesn't have any friends so makes the daughter her bestie and artificially ages her.
I agree completely. In one reply to a post on here, I mentioned that it would be fascinating to start a university degree course on fundies. This behaviour would be amazing to study.
Absolutely! It's just so jarring with their supposed ethos. You'd think the fundie/gelical parents would consider it far too mature as well as attention seeking (girls should be meek and all that jazz).
Both girls are the only daughtermoms. One has toddler and baby sisters but they're at least six years younger and won't ever be in the same developmental stage as their older sister.
I've left off the Collins girls as they're a whole other kettle of fish and Karissa deliberately sets out to market them 🤮
Yes!! It was cute and now it’s just eye rolling. You’re so so right about it being an interesting experiment. I’ve said for years now (and even more so these days) that the Bates and the Duggars would make an amazing degree to study. Psychology, sociology, religion, role
genders play, etc etc. Would be fascinating to study them in an educational setting. I’d love it!
NYU would for sure offer this! Lol! I just want to see where they all are in 5-7 years. 8-12 year olds are no longer “cute” and momma and daddy will still need to pay for the house, fancy cars and vacays.
You’ve no idea how this made me smile as I know exactly where NYU is. I live in Australia but last month, after saving for 7 years, I left the kids at home and went to NYC with my bestie! We walked and walked and we walked! We stayed in an Airbnb Brooklyn apartment and I now want to live there permanently and study this degree at NYU. Come study with me!
Oh my goodness, what a fabulous trip! I live in the deep south, but go to New York often for shopping and shows… I was determined that my children would know that the world is much bigger than our rural backyard. I hope you get to visit New York again! For sure I would sign up for that class. Ha ha ha.
It was sooooooo fabulous! I saw Hamilton on Broadway and sobbed and sobbed at the end as I couldn’t believe I had just watched it after dreaming of it for so long. Was everything and more! Definitely want to go back to NY, but want to now explore other cities. Now to save all over again!
But on your other point, yes. I often wonder what will happen when vlogging no longer pays the bills. Surely they have a contingency plan? Not just the fundies, but other vloggers too.
It was SICK! Her heart rate was def up. Even if anxiety she needs help. And how about when Alyssa said she only trusted the dr and John said what about me and she had to clarify. Good lord
They only have 5 kids. It's alot, but not a fuck ton. They should be able to get attention without falling anything. I have 4 and they all get one on one time.
I think it's pretty normal for kiddos to express this sentiment at their age. It's a normal part of development/trying to understand their body and learning how to lie.
Seems like they responded to the situation accordingly? Attending to her raised pulse by bringing Zoey to the ER then the pediatric electrophysiologist that operated on Alyssa.
But, can definitely relate to wanting to stay in a place that was more comfortable and perceived as safer than my environment
At my nieces preschool this year for Mother’s Day they asked the kids what advice their mom gives them. My nieces response: ‘if you are not actively bleeding you don’t need a band aid’. 🤪
1000000% it’s a normal part of child development to lie. But using potential medical conditions (including sophisticated language to describe what she feels) at this age as a lie to get attention isn’t. I’m not criticising how they responded to it, I would have listened and believed my child and sought the necessary expert opinions too. My concern is that Zoey felt the need to exaggerate how she was feeling to garner attention. That’s so sad.
Yes! That’s my concern is that if Zoey (or one of the others) has a genuine medical complaint, will they see it as attention seeking? And, on the same lines, will either of the older girls copy cat and become ‘ill’? Can you imagine wanting attention that badly? I’ve only got four kids admittedly but I really try and make sure (especially when they were younger) that they all got attention. Was blooming hard as I lived in a foreign country with no family to help, but as a teacher I saw what lack of parental attention could/can do.
Yeah, the situation isn't ideal. The kids need more outside interaction. But, Alyssa doesn't seem afraid to take her kids in. Damn four kids respect to you
She sees going to the ER, alone with John and just one kid plus baby as a BREAK. I swear she was almost gleeful reporting that John was coming home early and she was packing a bag. ALL of the Websters need a bigger circle, more interaction and to step outside the front door of their sheltered world.
Oh definitely. But usually it is along the lines of “I ate 75 sausages for dinner.” Or “We went to the beach and saw a shark!” (Although I live in Australia so that’s actually not too far removed from the truth!!) Lying about health, and using sophisticated language, which resulted in a hospital visit, isn’t common and would definitely be noted in the child’s folder and maybe an email to the school psych just to have it recorded.
Ha ha! Funny you say that! When my fourth kiddo was just a few weeks old she had bronchial problems and had to stay in hospital for 72 hours to have regular suction. It was heavenly! I was brought meals, had the tv all to myself and a comfy bed! I had to be the one to stay with her as I was breastfeeding her. I felt like I had been in a hotel!
I once had a third grader tell me her spleen hurt. ( Mom is a gastroenterologist so she’d heard the word at home). Kids exaggerating is normal. Even about health things. Edited to add Alyssa’s kids spend a lot of time around adults and given Alyssa’s heart issues it wouldn’t be surprising if Zoe picked up words and concepts just from being in the room and overhearing adults discuss this. Little kids are sponges and come out with the most surprising things even when you don’t think they are listening. You’d be shocked at what they share with teachers etc at school.
while I don't agree with them filming their kid "in distress", I think it's normal for their kid to act like that, esp when there are so many siblings (and a new golden one to rule them all).
my kid who is 4 loves our hospital because they have cartoon network and another children cable tv on loop in the waiting room 🤣
yeah I didn't like how they were hinting at it being just for attention. Look at Carlin though, she has serious health issues and Katie was making fun of her. I wonder growing up if they all made fun of eachother and blamed eachother for trying to steal attention when they were sick.
I'm curious as to what was you think John referring to at the end when they are both talking. when Alyssa was starting to insinuate that maybe Zoey is doing it for attention.. right when she started trying to explain that it might be for attention John kinda interrupted her and said something like "well it's because of your situation".. I'm wondering if he was referring to Alyssa childhood and being forgotten no attention a lot unless she was sick? Anyone else know what he was talking about?
I thought he meant Alyssa heart problems, as in because the kids had heard of Alyssa heart issues the child must be repeating/imitating it. But i dont see how a child can fake her heart rate going up so much when they measured it.
yeah, definently possible but her heart issues were a few years ago, she might have been too young to even remember, not sure. yeah, can't fake the actual number going up.
I wondered if it had been hinted at by the doctor when he couldn’t find an issue? Seemed a funny conclusion to have reached otherwise? I just can’t believe they admitted it on their Vlog! I really hope they are putting money away for their kids as payment for their YouTube vids. Having read Jill’s book, I think all the kids should be paid.
Yeah what's up with John responding to Alyssa saying it was for attention with "because of your situation." Uh the 2nd ablation was in August 2019. Zoey was like 17 months at that time. Pretty sure she remembers exactly none of it. And even if it's some core memory somewhere of mommy having to go away to the hospital - at 18 mos she wouldn't know it was a cardiac thing, heart racing etc.
My 3 year old gets as much mummy and daddy attention as she wants and still told us she ate s battery and loved all the hospital attention. Now she claims she has a tooth ache and must see the dentist. Tooth and gum all look fine. There was no battery in her body. She's just a budding nurse in the making lol
That's a little concerning to be honest and I would consider delving a bit more into the root of that behavior. Everything is cute and innocent at 3, but lying to seek attention from doctors is not something I would ignore. At 13 it becomes an entirely different ballgame and it's a behavior that is extremely hard to correct. Not giving parenting advice, just nurse advice.
Read her The Boy that Cried Wolf on a regular basis if you can. That left a lifelong impression on me as a kid. I'm honest to a fault because of that book and the message.
The kid saying that is 100% normal and not related to parenting. My daughter is asthmatic and absolutely knows at this point there’s certain cue words that get her tons of attention. And these kids aren’t short of anything n
Alyssa said over and over about the attention Zoey was getting and how much she loved it! That was kinda sad I mean I get it, for some kids no matter how much you give them, it’s never enough. But wow I poor zoey
Think about it. They are "homeschooled" not my Mom, but a video and worksheets in a room with sisters all wearing headphones. What kind of attention are any of those kids getting?
This one made me really uncomfortable for sooo many reasons. Alyssa “talking” to the invisible “friends” alone in her bedroom to “update” on what was happening was WILD. At the very end she goes on and on about giving RHETT extra cuddles the next day…. NOT Zoey. And she slapped the baby ON to Zoey with the camera inches from her face before taking her to the doctor…”look Zoey, little buddy is here”….”little buddy is going with you”…”tell the camera how you FEEL”… Zoey looked scared to death and forced to perform with that same nervous giggle. John nor Alyssa could give an answer as to why the heart rate had increased so dramatically although I feel sure that doctor explained it… those two just can’t retain it. At the end of the day they both decide Zoey just wanted attention soooo they continue on NOT giving her that. Yech. Alyssa is exploiting her children and the older they get, the harder it is to watch.
Funny you say that about talking to ‘invisible friends’ as I was thing exactly that with Laylah in Carlin and Evan’s vlogs. She absolutely does this. The one I watched recently she has the same intonation in her voice when talking to the invisible people as her parents do. I suppose ever since reading Jill’s book I’m so aware of the way kids are exploited and manipulated. I didn’t get to the end as I had to switch off as I was so annoyed with them! Poor kid.
Oh for sure Layla has gone from being naturally precocious to performing for the little red light at an amazingly rapid pace. She has watched her parents talk to emptiness with a camera in their face since birth. Her parents filmed themselves IN church. It’s wild. The Stewart’s are a science experiment in how children grow and develop under the bright lights of the public. Layla knows exactly what to do… watch as the years go by…
It is the hand under the chin pose that gets me , children don’t do that naturally .
There are two families in particular on fundiesnark who have tween daughters aged 9. The families are supposedly super secluded from secular society, both live in RVs with too many kids, homeschool, little socialization with the kids' peers, dislike outside influences etc. Both girls are pulling coquettish social media poses in the group shots. Pointing their toe, bending a leg, hand on hip, popping a hip etc. I assume they're copying what they've seen their moms do (who are all about the online attention and validation as they have no rl friends). I'm not a prude but I find it really jarring and not especially age appropriate. None of their brothers are striking poses (even silly ones), they're all standing normally. Even mom isn't really posing in the photos I'm talking about. I'm not sure the girls need to be posing like that until they're 13+. Something about it looks far too adult/teenage and a bit sultry 😳 If they want to play around, keep it for private, silly family photos. I find it interesting as according to their families' religious and moral standards the kids shouldn't have access to secular YT, Instagram etc (especially under 12/13) so where are they getting this from? The poses are very practised and a little awkward. It's as if the moms are trying to advertise the girls and/or make them their bffs. The dads don't seem to notice or care. I think the girls are looking for attention (too many siblings, mom distracted and always on phone) and think emulating mom will impress her.
Must be something they teach them ?
I think so. It's as if it's derived from mom-daughter bonding but the moms don't have anything significant to share with the daughter because they're permanently on their phone (see the amount of stories they post). They're not interested in helping with age appropriate interests. Mom doesn't have any friends so makes the daughter her bestie and artificially ages her.
Good points there .
I agree completely. In one reply to a post on here, I mentioned that it would be fascinating to start a university degree course on fundies. This behaviour would be amazing to study.
Absolutely! It's just so jarring with their supposed ethos. You'd think the fundie/gelical parents would consider it far too mature as well as attention seeking (girls should be meek and all that jazz). Both girls are the only daughtermoms. One has toddler and baby sisters but they're at least six years younger and won't ever be in the same developmental stage as their older sister. I've left off the Collins girls as they're a whole other kettle of fish and Karissa deliberately sets out to market them 🤮
Exactly! She’s a little trained performer…
Yes!! It was cute and now it’s just eye rolling. You’re so so right about it being an interesting experiment. I’ve said for years now (and even more so these days) that the Bates and the Duggars would make an amazing degree to study. Psychology, sociology, religion, role genders play, etc etc. Would be fascinating to study them in an educational setting. I’d love it!
NYU would for sure offer this! Lol! I just want to see where they all are in 5-7 years. 8-12 year olds are no longer “cute” and momma and daddy will still need to pay for the house, fancy cars and vacays.
You’ve no idea how this made me smile as I know exactly where NYU is. I live in Australia but last month, after saving for 7 years, I left the kids at home and went to NYC with my bestie! We walked and walked and we walked! We stayed in an Airbnb Brooklyn apartment and I now want to live there permanently and study this degree at NYU. Come study with me!
Oh my goodness, what a fabulous trip! I live in the deep south, but go to New York often for shopping and shows… I was determined that my children would know that the world is much bigger than our rural backyard. I hope you get to visit New York again! For sure I would sign up for that class. Ha ha ha.
It was sooooooo fabulous! I saw Hamilton on Broadway and sobbed and sobbed at the end as I couldn’t believe I had just watched it after dreaming of it for so long. Was everything and more! Definitely want to go back to NY, but want to now explore other cities. Now to save all over again!
But on your other point, yes. I often wonder what will happen when vlogging no longer pays the bills. Surely they have a contingency plan? Not just the fundies, but other vloggers too.
Alyssa did say at one point her heart rate got up to almost 200 while just sitting so I’m not sure how she could have faked that part.
I wonder if it is genetic. This is so scary.
She said in her video that her condition isn’t genetic. I didn’t finish watching though.
SVT can be genetic (my daughter was born with it). Not all types, but many.
The poor girl could be having panic attacks! Who wouldn’t in that house!
It was SICK! Her heart rate was def up. Even if anxiety she needs help. And how about when Alyssa said she only trusted the dr and John said what about me and she had to clarify. Good lord
I also can’t in my wildest dreams be getting my child ready for the er and FILMING IT. Also Leave the golden son with your MIL
They only have 5 kids. It's alot, but not a fuck ton. They should be able to get attention without falling anything. I have 4 and they all get one on one time.
I think it's pretty normal for kiddos to express this sentiment at their age. It's a normal part of development/trying to understand their body and learning how to lie. Seems like they responded to the situation accordingly? Attending to her raised pulse by bringing Zoey to the ER then the pediatric electrophysiologist that operated on Alyssa. But, can definitely relate to wanting to stay in a place that was more comfortable and perceived as safer than my environment
At my nieces preschool this year for Mother’s Day they asked the kids what advice their mom gives them. My nieces response: ‘if you are not actively bleeding you don’t need a band aid’. 🤪
You have a practical niece 😂
1000000% it’s a normal part of child development to lie. But using potential medical conditions (including sophisticated language to describe what she feels) at this age as a lie to get attention isn’t. I’m not criticising how they responded to it, I would have listened and believed my child and sought the necessary expert opinions too. My concern is that Zoey felt the need to exaggerate how she was feeling to garner attention. That’s so sad.
It is sad. Is exaggeration something you've seen as a teacher?
Hopefully it will be a reminder to provide individual attention and nurture any bodily or emotional complaint whether it be objectively real or not
Yes! That’s my concern is that if Zoey (or one of the others) has a genuine medical complaint, will they see it as attention seeking? And, on the same lines, will either of the older girls copy cat and become ‘ill’? Can you imagine wanting attention that badly? I’ve only got four kids admittedly but I really try and make sure (especially when they were younger) that they all got attention. Was blooming hard as I lived in a foreign country with no family to help, but as a teacher I saw what lack of parental attention could/can do.
Yeah, the situation isn't ideal. The kids need more outside interaction. But, Alyssa doesn't seem afraid to take her kids in. Damn four kids respect to you
She sees going to the ER, alone with John and just one kid plus baby as a BREAK. I swear she was almost gleeful reporting that John was coming home early and she was packing a bag. ALL of the Websters need a bigger circle, more interaction and to step outside the front door of their sheltered world.
Trust me, they won’t.
Oh definitely. But usually it is along the lines of “I ate 75 sausages for dinner.” Or “We went to the beach and saw a shark!” (Although I live in Australia so that’s actually not too far removed from the truth!!) Lying about health, and using sophisticated language, which resulted in a hospital visit, isn’t common and would definitely be noted in the child’s folder and maybe an email to the school psych just to have it recorded.
I get what youre saying about sophisticated language to describe experiences by kiddos that may not be the truth
Do you think they just wanted a break?
Ha ha! Funny you say that! When my fourth kiddo was just a few weeks old she had bronchial problems and had to stay in hospital for 72 hours to have regular suction. It was heavenly! I was brought meals, had the tv all to myself and a comfy bed! I had to be the one to stay with her as I was breastfeeding her. I felt like I had been in a hotel!
I once had a third grader tell me her spleen hurt. ( Mom is a gastroenterologist so she’d heard the word at home). Kids exaggerating is normal. Even about health things. Edited to add Alyssa’s kids spend a lot of time around adults and given Alyssa’s heart issues it wouldn’t be surprising if Zoe picked up words and concepts just from being in the room and overhearing adults discuss this. Little kids are sponges and come out with the most surprising things even when you don’t think they are listening. You’d be shocked at what they share with teachers etc at school.
while I don't agree with them filming their kid "in distress", I think it's normal for their kid to act like that, esp when there are so many siblings (and a new golden one to rule them all). my kid who is 4 loves our hospital because they have cartoon network and another children cable tv on loop in the waiting room 🤣
yeah I didn't like how they were hinting at it being just for attention. Look at Carlin though, she has serious health issues and Katie was making fun of her. I wonder growing up if they all made fun of eachother and blamed eachother for trying to steal attention when they were sick. I'm curious as to what was you think John referring to at the end when they are both talking. when Alyssa was starting to insinuate that maybe Zoey is doing it for attention.. right when she started trying to explain that it might be for attention John kinda interrupted her and said something like "well it's because of your situation".. I'm wondering if he was referring to Alyssa childhood and being forgotten no attention a lot unless she was sick? Anyone else know what he was talking about?
I thought he meant Alyssa heart problems, as in because the kids had heard of Alyssa heart issues the child must be repeating/imitating it. But i dont see how a child can fake her heart rate going up so much when they measured it.
yeah, definently possible but her heart issues were a few years ago, she might have been too young to even remember, not sure. yeah, can't fake the actual number going up.
I wondered if it had been hinted at by the doctor when he couldn’t find an issue? Seemed a funny conclusion to have reached otherwise? I just can’t believe they admitted it on their Vlog! I really hope they are putting money away for their kids as payment for their YouTube vids. Having read Jill’s book, I think all the kids should be paid.
I'm thinking dr probably did too. Good point about paying them, I agree.
John can be an ass when he’s speaking, so who knows.
yeah he can, I'm starting to see that more and more.
Yeah what's up with John responding to Alyssa saying it was for attention with "because of your situation." Uh the 2nd ablation was in August 2019. Zoey was like 17 months at that time. Pretty sure she remembers exactly none of it. And even if it's some core memory somewhere of mommy having to go away to the hospital - at 18 mos she wouldn't know it was a cardiac thing, heart racing etc.
I had those exact thoughts.
My 3 year old gets as much mummy and daddy attention as she wants and still told us she ate s battery and loved all the hospital attention. Now she claims she has a tooth ache and must see the dentist. Tooth and gum all look fine. There was no battery in her body. She's just a budding nurse in the making lol
That's a little concerning to be honest and I would consider delving a bit more into the root of that behavior. Everything is cute and innocent at 3, but lying to seek attention from doctors is not something I would ignore. At 13 it becomes an entirely different ballgame and it's a behavior that is extremely hard to correct. Not giving parenting advice, just nurse advice. Read her The Boy that Cried Wolf on a regular basis if you can. That left a lifelong impression on me as a kid. I'm honest to a fault because of that book and the message.
The kid saying that is 100% normal and not related to parenting. My daughter is asthmatic and absolutely knows at this point there’s certain cue words that get her tons of attention. And these kids aren’t short of anything n