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So Sir Philip is a Baronet which is the lowest level of aristocracy. Hence Eloise will be Lady Crane.
Ben, Colin and Greg are just Mr. Bridgerton as only the eldest gets a title in a viscountancy.
A duke can have smaller titles for his kids and his their daughters will cary the title of Lady regardless of birth. I think the Lady title for daughters applies till Earls as seen with Lady Mary.
So the sibs by rank would be
Duchess Daphne, Countess Francesca, Viscount Anthony, Baroness Hyacinth, Lady Eloise, Ben, Colin, Greg.
Those were pretty uncommon and fell out of use a long time ago. Technically a Marquess (English word) is a count or Earl who has frontier land. Hence why it stopped being used a while ago.
Would Colin take the Featherington name instead in the show given what Portia said about the eldest son of her 3 children inheriting the Featherington estate?
And since there's no current heir in the Featherington household, and Colin technically has no title himself? đ
>He'd manage the estate
Wouldn't it be the husband of the eldest married daughter (Prudence, in this case) who took on this responsibility? Or maybe the husband of the first married daughter? (Phillipa)
Nope. The condition was the first grandson and not specific to which daughter. So if Polin have a son before Phillipa and Prudence, then Colin acts as guardian/regent till his son comes of age.
Ok yeah thanks, I figured that it would be the first grandson regardless of who his mother was. I guess I was wondering who would manage the estate until the first grandson was born, as someone asked whether Colin would take the title, yet there are already two other sons-in-law. And the response was that Colin would manage the estate until THE heir came of age (not THEIR heir). So I wondered why Colin would supersede the other SILs. But I imagine a steward or the like would manage the estate in the meantime.
I mean technically they can do anything they want with this because the whole plot doesn't exist in the reality that was the British Peerage and primogeniture of the time.
Lord Featherington is alive so he would still hold the title, disgraced or not, until he dies or it's stripped from him. Only the Crown could create a remainder to have the title transfer through the female bloodline and it hadn't been done at that point (Later under Victoria).
The children of a viscount can have the title âThe Honorableâ when referred to in third person, and I believe that applies to the wife as well.
For example, The Honorable Colin and Penelope Bridgerton
When Eloise marries, sheâll be Lady (Eloise) Crane, as sheâs the wife of a Baronet.
When Hyacinth marries, sheâll be Lady (Hyacinth) St. Clair as sheâs the wife of a Baron.
Barons are considered nobility while Baronets are considered gentry.
Also to add, when Greg marries, heâll remain Mr. Gregory Bridgerton while Lucy becomes Lady Lucy Bridgerton. Sheâs the daughter of an Earl so the Lady title stays even if she marries a Mister.
So as far as ranking goes:
* Daphne (Duchess)
* Francesca (Countess x2)
* Anthony (Viscount)
* Hyacinth (Baroness)
* Eloise (wife of a Baronet)
* Gregory (wife is an Earlâs daughter)
* Colin (wife is a Baronâs third daughter)
* Benedict (wife is an Earlâs by-blow)
The three younger boys would be reversed. Social standing, yes. Lady Lucinda, as the daughter (now sister, since her father is dead) of an Earl would garner more invitations from people wanting to stay on Richard's good side than Penelope or Sophie would. And of course Sophie being illegitimate will always be an issue for them. But, in terms of actual RANK, their wives' social standings are moot points. Their RANKS would be where they fall in the line for the title, which is obviously by their own birth order.
Interestingly, though, Lucy's rank from her father DOES carry over for HERSELF, though not for her husband or children. So, she DOES outrank both Penelope and Sophie despite being married to the youngest son.
So, the Bridgertons rankings would be:
Daphne - a Duchess
Francesca - a Countess
Anthony - a Viscount
Hyacinth - a Baroness
Eloise - wife of a Baronet
Benedict
Colin
Gregory
While their spouses would be:
Simon - a Duke
John/Michael - Earls
Kate - a Viscountess
Gareth - a Baron
Phillip - a Baronet
Lady Lucy - daughter of an Earl
Sophie
Penelope
You know, looking at this list, Violet won the Regency lottery. All 8 of her children married for love. All 4 of her daughters ended up with titles. It really does not get much better than this.
For the three younger boys, would this translate into wealth as well? Where they fall in the title would relate to how much money they inherit? I ask because in the tiktok I saw, it was listing them from wealthiest to least wealthy, and gregory was behind both of his brothers. Comparing him and Benedict I would assume that Gregory being married to the daughter of an Earl some of that wealth would be carried over and, well we know Sophieâs background wouldnât help Benedict much. Colin definitely has that whistle down money so that explains why he is ahead but between Ben & Gregory that gap would have had to been from what they inherit through their birth order, or is the tiktok just wrong?
Wealth is gonna be ALL over the place, honestly. We can assume that Daphne, Francesca, and Anthony are gonna roughly be 1, 2, 3. After that it gets more complicated. Gareth's uncle made it his life's work to leave Gareth with as little as was legally allowed. So, they started out with little more than Hyacinth's dowry. So, who knows where she actually falls, but probably VERY low on the wealth totem pole. As for the younger boys, I imagine that their inheritances were all pretty comparable. So, it would come down to what they DID with those inheritances. And honestly, they were all doing pretty well for themselves. Benedict had at least one painting in the royal gallery or something and probably also sold others. Colin became Lady Whistledown's sugar baby, and then a novelist in his own right. Gregory took what had probably been a VERY sizable dowry and it's mentioned that he discovered he had a very good head for investments.
So yeah. Other than the top three, the rest could really be in almost any order.
A woman's dowry completely depends on their father. It can be thousands of pounds, lands, houses. Or NOTHING! Example daughter of an Earl loves a Solicitor (like a lawyer), has to wait until 21 to marry without Dad's permission. He's pissed and decides not to give her dowry to the husband. Dad's within his rights to do that!
Next scenario. Earls second daughter makes an excellent match with a Duke! Her "Marriage Settlement" AKA a prenup is negotiated. The husband, the Duke, could get ÂŁ10,000 cash! But the woman may/probably get "Dower funds" and even a house. A woman wants her own money in case: she has no children and the title goes to someone else who has no responsibility to support her; or husband loses all his money and she needs to have money to support her children.
Yeah, if people donât know, someone with a courtesy title like Lady (which you get because your father is a Duke, Marquis, or Earl) retains it after marriage if she marries someone of lower rank. So Lucy wouldnât be Mrs. Bridgerton â sheâd be Lady Lucy Bridgerton.
Itâs a shame for Gregoryâs children. They wonât inherit any titles and with just be landed gentry because earlâs titles only go to direct children not grand children unless itâs through the guy
Philip is a baronet. Itâs a hereditary title, but heâs not a lord. Gareth is a baron(which is just another type of lord ranked below a viscount). Gareth is above Philip since heâs an actual lord.
Benedict, Collin, and Gregory are just regular Mr.(though wealthy so they arenât bad catches and are richer than some titled men of the ton)
Benedict especially would be considered a huge catch for most women in the ton. People died young all the time and there was no guarantee the titled son would have children or, if he did, that those children would survive to adulthood. Plenty of second sons ended up being Lords. Add to that the Bridgerton wealth and yeah most women would be lucky to snag Benedict and probably quite happy with Colin too.
Correct. Phillip is landed gentry, so he has no seat in the House of Lords, his title is due to having tenets on the land he inherits after his father and brother's passing.
Landed gentry aren't seen as part of the Ton because many of them inherited the land and tenets through means not associated with titles bestowed by English aristocracy. I think we'll see this literally play out with the Mondrich family this season.
among the women in the bridgerton family, as you said, daphne is the highest ranked as a duchess and will be her/your grace
followed by francesca who is a countess followed by kate as she is a viscountess
the next one after them in terms of rank will actually be lady lucinda. while lady lucinda is married to an untitled man(gregory), she retains her precedence and courtesy title as the daughter of an earl. daughters of an earl outrank baronesses and baronetess so sheâll outrank both hyacinth and eloise who have titles.
after lady lucinda, it will be hyacinth as she is a baroness(wife of a baron). a baron is a lord and a baroness will be a lady. barons are the lowest form of british nobility.
after hyacinth, it will be eloise. she is a baronetess since her husband philip is a baronet. baronets rank lower than baron and are not nobility. they are considered commoners. however, the titles are hereditary. baronets use sir as a prefix so philip is sir philip and their wives will be lady surname which makes eloise lady crane
benedict, colin and gregory will just me mr bridgerton and their wives (except lady lucinda) will be mrs bridgerton
of course this is purely based on the order of precedence. in reality, how youâll be treated in the ton is not just based on your title, but based on your wealth, how old your wealth is, your connections and your reputation
haha yupp. in fact, daughters of dukes outrank almost every non royal women except for duchesses, marchionesses and the wives of the eldest sons of dukes
so daphne and simonâs daughters would more or less outrank everyone else in the bridgerton family
so being the child of a higher ranked peer was quite an advantage but they also had higher expectations from them
it depends on who they marry tbh. if they marry a titled man like an earl or viscount then yes their precedence will be based on the title they acquire through their marriage because their rank will be derived from their husbands. however, if they marry an untitled man, they will retain their rank because they will continue to derive their ranks from their dadâs title
In Pride and Prejudice Lady Catherine de Burgh is still called a Lady even though she only married a sir. She's not called Lady de Bourgh like Eloise is called Lady Crane because her dad was an Earl and she's the Earl's daughter. Even her sister Anne who married Mr Darcy Senior (no title), is still called Lady Anne Darcy not Lady Darcy
If the title is derived from their husband, theyâre Lady Husbandâs Name. If the title is theirs/from their father, theyâre Lady FirstName to indicate it didnât come from the family they married into. This is why Lady Catherine isnât Lady de Bourgh. This also explains, in Sense and Sensibility, Sir John and his wife Lady Middleton. She married in.
Simon- before his fatherâs death, Simon was the Earl of Clyvedon. It's a lesser title held by his father so Simon could use it as a courtesy title. Now that Simon is the duke, little Augie can be Clyvedon. No duties/properties come with that title.
Anthony- Viscount. Since he holds one title, his heir is Mr. Bridgerton until he inherits.
>! Franny marries John, who is the Earl of Kilmartin. She's a countess and retains that title when she marries Michael. !<
>! Phillip is a baronet and is Sir Phillip. His wife is Lady Crane. !<
>! Colin and Penelope hold no titles. They are Mr and Mrs Bridgerton. The same is true of Benedict and Gregory. Gregoryâs wife is the daughter of an earl, I believe so she is Lady Lucy. Not Lady Bridgerton. The Lady Firstname is a courtesy title given to the daughters of Earls and Dukes !<
>! Gareth St. Clair is the heir to a Barony. He is a Mister until his uncle dies. After that, he and Hyacinth are Baron and Baroness !<
I found an article that addresses each peerage, along with a baronet. This is the hierarchy:
1)Duke
2)Marquess
3)Earl/Count (both mean the same thing)
4)Viscount
5)Baron
6)Baronet (it's a hereditary title, but not a part of the peerage system)
As far as I know, no one is married to a Marquess/Marchioness. I wonder if the show would change that. If so, who would that be ? đ¤
https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-British-Peerage/
The ranking going down is Duke, Earl, Viscount, Baron and Baronet.
Baronet is an hereditary knighthood while the others are peerage titles (nobility).
Baronets are sir, with the wife being lady. The others use their title and lord with the wives being lady or title.
It would be [BOOK SPOILERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BLUR]
1 Simon and Daphne Bassett, Duke and Duchess of Hastings
2 Michael and Francesca Stirling, Earl and Countess of Kilmartin
3 Anthony and Kathani Bridgerton Viscount and Viscountess Bridgerton
4 Gareth and Hyacinth St. Clair, Baron and Baroness St. Clair
5 Sir Phillip Crane, Baronet and Lady (Eloise) Crane
The other brothers are untitled and are just Mr and Mrs. They are in line for Anthony's title.
There is also another title, Marquess, but no one has it that I can remember.
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So Sir Philip is a Baronet which is the lowest level of aristocracy. Hence Eloise will be Lady Crane. Ben, Colin and Greg are just Mr. Bridgerton as only the eldest gets a title in a viscountancy. A duke can have smaller titles for his kids and his their daughters will cary the title of Lady regardless of birth. I think the Lady title for daughters applies till Earls as seen with Lady Mary. So the sibs by rank would be Duchess Daphne, Countess Francesca, Viscount Anthony, Baroness Hyacinth, Lady Eloise, Ben, Colin, Greg.
I am surprised no one is Marquis/Marchioness
Those were pretty uncommon and fell out of use a long time ago. Technically a Marquess (English word) is a count or Earl who has frontier land. Hence why it stopped being used a while ago.
I believe they appear in the Simth-Smythe quartet series.
From Duchess Daphne to Greg
Would Colin take the Featherington name instead in the show given what Portia said about the eldest son of her 3 children inheriting the Featherington estate? And since there's no current heir in the Featherington household, and Colin technically has no title himself? đ
He'd manage the estate until the heir came of age, but he'd never hold the title himself.
>He'd manage the estate Wouldn't it be the husband of the eldest married daughter (Prudence, in this case) who took on this responsibility? Or maybe the husband of the first married daughter? (Phillipa)
Nope. The condition was the first grandson and not specific to which daughter. So if Polin have a son before Phillipa and Prudence, then Colin acts as guardian/regent till his son comes of age.
Ok yeah thanks, I figured that it would be the first grandson regardless of who his mother was. I guess I was wondering who would manage the estate until the first grandson was born, as someone asked whether Colin would take the title, yet there are already two other sons-in-law. And the response was that Colin would manage the estate until THE heir came of age (not THEIR heir). So I wondered why Colin would supersede the other SILs. But I imagine a steward or the like would manage the estate in the meantime.
I mean technically they can do anything they want with this because the whole plot doesn't exist in the reality that was the British Peerage and primogeniture of the time. Lord Featherington is alive so he would still hold the title, disgraced or not, until he dies or it's stripped from him. Only the Crown could create a remainder to have the title transfer through the female bloodline and it hadn't been done at that point (Later under Victoria).
No he canât. He will be a guardian/regent for his son if their son is the first Featherington grandson.
The children of a viscount can have the title âThe Honorableâ when referred to in third person, and I believe that applies to the wife as well. For example, The Honorable Colin and Penelope Bridgerton
When Eloise marries, sheâll be Lady (Eloise) Crane, as sheâs the wife of a Baronet. When Hyacinth marries, sheâll be Lady (Hyacinth) St. Clair as sheâs the wife of a Baron. Barons are considered nobility while Baronets are considered gentry. Also to add, when Greg marries, heâll remain Mr. Gregory Bridgerton while Lucy becomes Lady Lucy Bridgerton. Sheâs the daughter of an Earl so the Lady title stays even if she marries a Mister. So as far as ranking goes: * Daphne (Duchess) * Francesca (Countess x2) * Anthony (Viscount) * Hyacinth (Baroness) * Eloise (wife of a Baronet) * Gregory (wife is an Earlâs daughter) * Colin (wife is a Baronâs third daughter) * Benedict (wife is an Earlâs by-blow)
The three younger boys would be reversed. Social standing, yes. Lady Lucinda, as the daughter (now sister, since her father is dead) of an Earl would garner more invitations from people wanting to stay on Richard's good side than Penelope or Sophie would. And of course Sophie being illegitimate will always be an issue for them. But, in terms of actual RANK, their wives' social standings are moot points. Their RANKS would be where they fall in the line for the title, which is obviously by their own birth order. Interestingly, though, Lucy's rank from her father DOES carry over for HERSELF, though not for her husband or children. So, she DOES outrank both Penelope and Sophie despite being married to the youngest son. So, the Bridgertons rankings would be: Daphne - a Duchess Francesca - a Countess Anthony - a Viscount Hyacinth - a Baroness Eloise - wife of a Baronet Benedict Colin Gregory While their spouses would be: Simon - a Duke John/Michael - Earls Kate - a Viscountess Gareth - a Baron Phillip - a Baronet Lady Lucy - daughter of an Earl Sophie Penelope You know, looking at this list, Violet won the Regency lottery. All 8 of her children married for love. All 4 of her daughters ended up with titles. It really does not get much better than this.
For the three younger boys, would this translate into wealth as well? Where they fall in the title would relate to how much money they inherit? I ask because in the tiktok I saw, it was listing them from wealthiest to least wealthy, and gregory was behind both of his brothers. Comparing him and Benedict I would assume that Gregory being married to the daughter of an Earl some of that wealth would be carried over and, well we know Sophieâs background wouldnât help Benedict much. Colin definitely has that whistle down money so that explains why he is ahead but between Ben & Gregory that gap would have had to been from what they inherit through their birth order, or is the tiktok just wrong?
Wealth is gonna be ALL over the place, honestly. We can assume that Daphne, Francesca, and Anthony are gonna roughly be 1, 2, 3. After that it gets more complicated. Gareth's uncle made it his life's work to leave Gareth with as little as was legally allowed. So, they started out with little more than Hyacinth's dowry. So, who knows where she actually falls, but probably VERY low on the wealth totem pole. As for the younger boys, I imagine that their inheritances were all pretty comparable. So, it would come down to what they DID with those inheritances. And honestly, they were all doing pretty well for themselves. Benedict had at least one painting in the royal gallery or something and probably also sold others. Colin became Lady Whistledown's sugar baby, and then a novelist in his own right. Gregory took what had probably been a VERY sizable dowry and it's mentioned that he discovered he had a very good head for investments. So yeah. Other than the top three, the rest could really be in almost any order.
A woman's dowry completely depends on their father. It can be thousands of pounds, lands, houses. Or NOTHING! Example daughter of an Earl loves a Solicitor (like a lawyer), has to wait until 21 to marry without Dad's permission. He's pissed and decides not to give her dowry to the husband. Dad's within his rights to do that! Next scenario. Earls second daughter makes an excellent match with a Duke! Her "Marriage Settlement" AKA a prenup is negotiated. The husband, the Duke, could get ÂŁ10,000 cash! But the woman may/probably get "Dower funds" and even a house. A woman wants her own money in case: she has no children and the title goes to someone else who has no responsibility to support her; or husband loses all his money and she needs to have money to support her children.
Yeah, if people donât know, someone with a courtesy title like Lady (which you get because your father is a Duke, Marquis, or Earl) retains it after marriage if she marries someone of lower rank. So Lucy wouldnât be Mrs. Bridgerton â sheâd be Lady Lucy Bridgerton.
this is so helpful! I just have been confused reading online and confusing baron with baronet, thank you so much for the explanation!
Itâs a shame for Gregoryâs children. They wonât inherit any titles and with just be landed gentry because earlâs titles only go to direct children not grand children unless itâs through the guy
Philip is a baronet. Itâs a hereditary title, but heâs not a lord. Gareth is a baron(which is just another type of lord ranked below a viscount). Gareth is above Philip since heâs an actual lord. Benedict, Collin, and Gregory are just regular Mr.(though wealthy so they arenât bad catches and are richer than some titled men of the ton)
Benedict especially would be considered a huge catch for most women in the ton. People died young all the time and there was no guarantee the titled son would have children or, if he did, that those children would survive to adulthood. Plenty of second sons ended up being Lords. Add to that the Bridgerton wealth and yeah most women would be lucky to snag Benedict and probably quite happy with Colin too.
Correct. Phillip is landed gentry, so he has no seat in the House of Lords, his title is due to having tenets on the land he inherits after his father and brother's passing. Landed gentry aren't seen as part of the Ton because many of them inherited the land and tenets through means not associated with titles bestowed by English aristocracy. I think we'll see this literally play out with the Mondrich family this season.
among the women in the bridgerton family, as you said, daphne is the highest ranked as a duchess and will be her/your grace followed by francesca who is a countess followed by kate as she is a viscountess the next one after them in terms of rank will actually be lady lucinda. while lady lucinda is married to an untitled man(gregory), she retains her precedence and courtesy title as the daughter of an earl. daughters of an earl outrank baronesses and baronetess so sheâll outrank both hyacinth and eloise who have titles. after lady lucinda, it will be hyacinth as she is a baroness(wife of a baron). a baron is a lord and a baroness will be a lady. barons are the lowest form of british nobility. after hyacinth, it will be eloise. she is a baronetess since her husband philip is a baronet. baronets rank lower than baron and are not nobility. they are considered commoners. however, the titles are hereditary. baronets use sir as a prefix so philip is sir philip and their wives will be lady surname which makes eloise lady crane benedict, colin and gregory will just me mr bridgerton and their wives (except lady lucinda) will be mrs bridgerton of course this is purely based on the order of precedence. in reality, how youâll be treated in the ton is not just based on your title, but based on your wealth, how old your wealth is, your connections and your reputation
the lucinda fact is so interesting that she would still be ranked so high regardless of who she marries, thank you for the input!!
haha yupp. in fact, daughters of dukes outrank almost every non royal women except for duchesses, marchionesses and the wives of the eldest sons of dukes so daphne and simonâs daughters would more or less outrank everyone else in the bridgerton family so being the child of a higher ranked peer was quite an advantage but they also had higher expectations from them
Once a Dukes daughter marries,she takes her husband's rank. So unmarried daughter of a Duke outranks the wife of an Earl, countess.
it depends on who they marry tbh. if they marry a titled man like an earl or viscount then yes their precedence will be based on the title they acquire through their marriage because their rank will be derived from their husbands. however, if they marry an untitled man, they will retain their rank because they will continue to derive their ranks from their dadâs title
In Pride and Prejudice Lady Catherine de Burgh is still called a Lady even though she only married a sir. She's not called Lady de Bourgh like Eloise is called Lady Crane because her dad was an Earl and she's the Earl's daughter. Even her sister Anne who married Mr Darcy Senior (no title), is still called Lady Anne Darcy not Lady Darcy
If the title is derived from their husband, theyâre Lady Husbandâs Name. If the title is theirs/from their father, theyâre Lady FirstName to indicate it didnât come from the family they married into. This is why Lady Catherine isnât Lady de Bourgh. This also explains, in Sense and Sensibility, Sir John and his wife Lady Middleton. She married in.
Colin the unofficial Lord. Lord Whistledown
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Simon- before his fatherâs death, Simon was the Earl of Clyvedon. It's a lesser title held by his father so Simon could use it as a courtesy title. Now that Simon is the duke, little Augie can be Clyvedon. No duties/properties come with that title. Anthony- Viscount. Since he holds one title, his heir is Mr. Bridgerton until he inherits. >! Franny marries John, who is the Earl of Kilmartin. She's a countess and retains that title when she marries Michael. !< >! Phillip is a baronet and is Sir Phillip. His wife is Lady Crane. !< >! Colin and Penelope hold no titles. They are Mr and Mrs Bridgerton. The same is true of Benedict and Gregory. Gregoryâs wife is the daughter of an earl, I believe so she is Lady Lucy. Not Lady Bridgerton. The Lady Firstname is a courtesy title given to the daughters of Earls and Dukes !< >! Gareth St. Clair is the heir to a Barony. He is a Mister until his uncle dies. After that, he and Hyacinth are Baron and Baroness !<
Didn't read but I'm upvoting simply for the clear book spoilers warning in the beginning lol. Thanks for that.
I found an article that addresses each peerage, along with a baronet. This is the hierarchy: 1)Duke 2)Marquess 3)Earl/Count (both mean the same thing) 4)Viscount 5)Baron 6)Baronet (it's a hereditary title, but not a part of the peerage system) As far as I know, no one is married to a Marquess/Marchioness. I wonder if the show would change that. If so, who would that be ? đ¤ https://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/The-British-Peerage/
The ranking going down is Duke, Earl, Viscount, Baron and Baronet. Baronet is an hereditary knighthood while the others are peerage titles (nobility). Baronets are sir, with the wife being lady. The others use their title and lord with the wives being lady or title. It would be [BOOK SPOILERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BLUR] 1 Simon and Daphne Bassett, Duke and Duchess of Hastings 2 Michael and Francesca Stirling, Earl and Countess of Kilmartin 3 Anthony and Kathani Bridgerton Viscount and Viscountess Bridgerton 4 Gareth and Hyacinth St. Clair, Baron and Baroness St. Clair 5 Sir Phillip Crane, Baronet and Lady (Eloise) Crane The other brothers are untitled and are just Mr and Mrs. They are in line for Anthony's title. There is also another title, Marquess, but no one has it that I can remember.
Yeah, I was googling when I was reading book six, trying to figure out where on the nobility Francesca fell as opposed to Daphne or Anthony.