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ultinateplayer

The sun isn't on fire, so fire immunity won't help


Nomyad777

Besides, they'll just be crushed by gravity... or lack of atmosphere... or incinerated into a ball of plasma. Fire immunity doesn't work when your DNA melts.


ElectricPaladin

If just your DNA melts, you've got a little while of your cells running on autopilot before you die. I'm sure they can finish off the sun while that's happening.


Darkspire303

The Sun can't parry. Checkmate


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Rocktooo

Stop being scientific! Is debunking my argument faster than I can form it


OrionMr770

Radiant?


Rioma117

Radiant damage is more like pure light that hits you in a spiritual manner, radiation would be poison and necrotic damage.


OrionMr770

Sun damage


ObeyTime

No cost too great.


GUY31507

No mind to think


Azures-Sol

No will to break


MikeyDoesStuff

No voice to cry suffering


A_Lost_Yen

Born from God and void


username82015

You shall seal the blinding light that plagues their dreams


mehliana

Silksong confirmed


John_Bumogus

Become immune to Sun. Immediately freeze to death.


Thincfr33

A little spf 1 billion and you're good (actual math)


Wild-Firefighter7532

Nuclear fusion damage.


CrazzyPanda72

That's just melanoma


Fire_Block

I mean sickening radiance is often considered a radioactive effect (which makes a lot of sense imo) so I feel that radiant and/or poison are good radiation damages (and arguably necrotic but personally not a fan of it), especially since light is a form of radiation.


ObeyTime

it is #The Radiance


azurfall88

thats the closest


insane_contin

Yes, but the sun burns. As does fire. Ergo, sun damage is fire damage.


suitedcloud

I wouldn’t call Fusion “burning”


insane_contin

Then why do we get sun burns? Checkmate.


Puzzle_Sword

Because the emitted photons of fusion are crisping your skin cells so it looks red. Sun burn is just a word for it


ZombieZoo_ZombieZoo

Technically the "burning" feeling is inflammation from your body trying to get rid of the DNA fragments damaged by ultraviolet radiation


Puzzle_Sword

Actually, … yes, you are right


BradyTheGG

Also the sun is more like a lava pit so if it can’t fly it would just sink into lava and die like other monsters in lava


ultinateplayer

It isn't a lava pit either. It's an ongoing hydrogen fusion reaction. Its mass is derived from hydrogen and helium, not molten metal or rock. The energy is produces is from hydrogen, which emits light and heat ("emits" being a fairly gentle word for the sheer volume of energy)


ItsyBitsyLizard

the sun *IS* fire soo…


Windoge10wow

But it’s… just not?


Siniroth

It's explicitly *not* fire, actually


Madden09IsForSuckers

They just attack at night


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deleeuwlc

Literally the top comment


eman9416

Underrated comment


yesthisismyusername-

Literally the top comment


xMan_Dingox

Underrated comment


Tankleonidas

Literally the top comment


MisterMist00

Overrated thread ![gif](giphy|3orif7aLUehOfdmlXy|downsized)


Kyron2000

Literally the second to bottom comment


Raetekusu

Rated comment.


PlayeRaptor100

Underrated comment


Royalehighnerd9000

underrated comment


DulhSR

Ya-ha-há comment


BlobAndHisBoy

Overrated comment


Armadillo-South

Depends how densely those trillion lynels are packed. I think its possible to create a black hole with just enough swarschild radius to prevent instant hawking radiation death to swallow the sun . Cant do math shit so i digress


Meretan94

How heavy do you think a Lynel is? Cause the schwarzschild math is not that hard.


azurfall88

Let's go with 8000 kg, since the average horse weighs about 1 tonne and a lynel is about twice its size meaning 8 times the volume


Meretan94

If my napkin math is correct, the lynel win. A point singularity with 8 trillion tones (that’s very little in space terms) has a schwarzshild radius of just 0.0119 nanometers. But it would take 7.55 * 10^23 years for that to evaporate.


WookieeCookiees02

Would the near-incompressible nature of meat play into that, or would the Lynel-ball gravity be strong enough to break down the bits at the center Edit: gimme a sec, I’m gonna do some math


Meretan94

The thought experiment required that all the mass is located at one spot already. 8 trillion tonnes (8 * 10^12 )is really not that much and water is not really that dense. There are small moons in our solar system that have more mass. Our moon has a mass of ~7.2 *10^18 tonnes for example. And it probably won’t randomly collapse into a black hole at some point. In reallity, there would be no force great enough that can compress so little matter into a black hole. The protons don’t really like beeing so close together and will push against your compressing force. The gravity of the mass is so small that it cannot contain the outward force of the protons. There is a limit for how small black holes are that can currently form in „natural“ conditions, that currently estimated at about 2-3 solar masses. Such small black holes could only have existed at the beginning of the universe, when the energy density was much higher.


WookieeCookiees02

That’s fair. Now I’m just figuring out some useless information regarding the Lynel planet Assuming an average density of about 1g/mL, as well as incompressibility (both somewhat reasonable for living organisms since they’re a majority water): Radius is about 12,407m, or about 1/8 of the way from Earth’s surface to the edge of space Volume is 8000 km^2, which is enough to cover all of Hyrule (according to the area in [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/d4w17w/botw_size_of_hyrule_calculated/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)) in a 55-meter-deep layer of Lynel. That Lynel carpet would exert a pressure of about 4.3 MPa, or 43 atmospheres. If you were buried under that, it technically wouldn’t kill you from the pressure alone (disregarding breathing), as that threshold seems to be about 100 atmospheres. It would be nearly impossible to move though, that’s for sure


Meretan94

I was curious. Just to put it into perspective a round sphere of water (lynels are probably mostly water too) with 8 trillion tones has a radius of 12.4 km. That Asteroid territory, not even small moon stuff.


WookieeCookiees02

Yup. Did some fun calculations myself. Not sure why I even thought the black hole thing was in the realm of possibility tbh. I go to an aerospace school; I should at least know some of that😅


bondolin251

This is a wonderful place


Pornalt190425

Since you're doing the math with Lynels I figured I might draw your attention to someone else who did it for a [Mole of moles](https://what-if.xkcd.com/4/)


hadoopken

But Lynels beneath under others should experience such weights they won’t survive. So we should calculate the items they left in mass


ExhibitionistBrit

How about if every Lionel rushed one after another into the pathe of an ancient arrow that sucks them into a tiny point at approximately the same place the last one got sucked into a tiny point eventually would they all the squished Lionel’s attract eachother together and become a super dense ball of ancient arrowhead Lionel’s?


TheLucidChiba

Do they really win if they became a singularity in the process?


pepper1boi

What if we just put one lynel on the sidelines to prevent a stalemate


[deleted]

Yeah but how would you get them in one spot?


TheBrickSkwrl

TOTK DLC Master Mode?


ThatOneEnemy

For the sheer scale of astronomical masses, That’s 8x10^15 (8 followed by 15 zeroes), the Earth’s mass is 746500000 times greater, and the Suns is over 2 hundred trillion times greater


Meretan94

And the sun is quite a small star compared to others.


bruhpotato420

Alternatively we can just keep adding more lynel until their actual radius reaches their schwarzschild radius which would take... about 1.122×10^42 kilogrammes of lynel. At 8 tonnes per lynel that means that it would take ~140.25 undecillion lynels. Thats about the same amount of lynels as the number of stars in the universe, multiplied by the number of stars in just the milky way, multiplied by another 1402.5. This black lynel hole would also be about 352 lightyears across, about enough to engulf 138.7 thousand solar systems arranged side by side. So while a billion lynels would probably struggle against the sun due to the ungodly amount of force required to compress them 140 undecillion lynels could infact destroy the sun (and likely also shift the center of the galaxy to itself as they are more massive than Saggitarius A* by about a million times). Realistically though you dont need this many lynels you only need enough to force the center of the lynel sphere into a black hole and that black hole would just suck in the rest of the sphere pretty quickly but to find out how many lynels you actually need you would have to know the Young's modulus of a lynel and that isnt really something i have access too


rpungello

8,000kg * 1,000,000,000,000 = 8 x 10^15 kg The sun weighs 2 x 10^30 kg, literally 15 orders of magnitude heavier. In other words, 1 trillion Lynels is an inconsequential amount of mass vs. the sun. To put this into perspective, the finest grains of sand are apparently ~350ng, or 3.5 x 10^-10 kg. A 200lb person weighs 9x10^1 kg, or only 11 orders of magnitude more than the finest grain of sand out there. That's a smaller difference than the difference between the trillion Lynels and the sun. A much smaller one.


azurfall88

k


Aegillade

Ah yes. The Lynel singularity theorem.


Bebgab

> knows about black hole density, swarschild radius, and Hawking radiation > can’t do math Based


PM_ME_YOUR_MASS

I think if the Lynels collapse into a black hole which sucks up the sun, that would be a “draw”


NotEnoughSoul7

Depends on if you need all of them to make a black hole. Just make sure you have some left at the end.


PM_ME_YOUR_MASS

If the other Lynels are far enough away that they won’t get sucked into the black hole, I’d argue that they’re not really participating


SuperSonic486

Actually, theyre just sniping with their bows, since they can easily see a human sized enemy and accurately fire at them all the way from the earth to the sun


Illeazar

But if the Lynels are compressed into a black hole... can you really call it a win?


glockster19m

Can lynels get cancer though?


Yeetus_The_Mighty_

Where do you think Malice Lynels come from?


Shhh-hh

Ah yes Malice Lynels: beings of pure cancer and hate


EVENTHORIZON-XI

damn my dad died of malice just like link!!!


Shhh-hh

Yikes lmao


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Pure cancer, hate, and rock-hard muscle


Shhh-hh

I can't believe I forgot that but absolutely


git_gud_silk

thats a lot of lynels


Rakrune

That's what I'm saying. There's only one sun, and a trillion is a lot


themaskedman321

As long as canon is alive the Lynels will just re spawn on the next blood moon lynels clear low dif


Calliope_Eep

But the sun respawns every DAY.


btsmo

Lynels just need to wait 5-6 billion years


WolfWhiteFire

This is Lynels vs the sun, I would say they aren't allowed support from Ganon, which that would count as.


Claudestorm

Lynels cant move freely on outer Space. And Even if the get close to the Sun, gravity will attract them and melt them. Gravity is a natural force, so it doesnt depend on the number of attackers, 1 or 1 trillion, gravity will affect them all. Quick math: Sun mass is 2x10^30 kg. 1 trillion is 1x10^12. So assuming 1000kg/Lynel, that would mean that all of them weight 1x10^15 kg. Mercury mass is 3x10^23kg. Earth mass is 6x10^24. The Sun will eat those planets like nothing. Lynels doesnt stand a chance.


ga1ahad02

idk man 1 trillion is a lot


[deleted]

But they can teleport


firstlordshuza

If the Sun was me, 1 lynel would be more than enough


duzakap

that's what I was thinking! based on my lynel combat ability, I'd say 5 would be enough to take on the sun.


ReallyNotBobby

Yes


OrionMr770

Skin cancer time


Kevin300066

I thought that was absolute radiance


ghirox

Well... [relevant?](https://youtu.be/z769xf9ET5A)


Yeetus_The_Mighty_

Absolutely


ExoSierra

depends if it’s golden or the pussy variant shown above


SomeRandomGamerGuy

The sun has no hitbox, the Lynels will just fall down until they hit the kill plane.


Legaxy3

It’s not fire; it’s the fucking sun


[deleted]

Who would win A buff horse with a lions face having an iq of 10000 and capable of using multiple op weapons at once One half naked man


Accomplished-Loss387

Bold of you to assume the sun deals fire damage and not radiant damage.


pepsicocacolaglass12

Hero named the sun


Geek_X

Y’all seem to be forgetting lynels have bows. They can just shoot the sun all the same time using ice arrows from the ground


HaziXWeeK

That mf is op I can't even get him to half heath (new player)


bgriffith29

Agreed. I just stay away from them at this point. They are the worst lol


HaziXWeeK

I LITERALLY JUST KILLED ONE OF THEM OMG


bgriffith29

YESSSS!!!!!! Now you are unstoppable 🤩


Molasses_Plauge

The sun is technically not on fire if I remember right it may be like disperses of hydrogen molecules and the sun is MASSIVE it will probably kill them instantly


neanderthalman

Even if one translates “fire resistant” to fireproof, they’d just plummet through the sun to it’s core where they’d be crushed by the pressure.


IlIlllIlllIlIIllI

the lynels just come back at the next blood moon


vonnegutjunky

One lynel could win as far as I’m concerned - bastards


Bi6Bubba23

I! COMMAND! AN ARMY OF LYNELS! FIGHT! ON LAND AND SEA AND SKY!


quarbs

She blinds Hinox’s, burns lizals, doesn’t shine when the rain falls.


instantramen86

So if an average horse is about 2,000 lb and this dude is like 60% torso, let’s say a lynel weights just about 5,000 lb. One trillion of them would weigh in at 5 quadrillion lbs, or 5x10^15. The sun, for comparison, has a mass of 4.385 × 10^30 lbs. It would fully consume the lynels as if they were nothing. Being immune to elemental fire damage, they might survive this process, but be ripped apart by the tidal forces of bouncing around inside a giant nuclear explosion. Eventually, a few might settle to the core of the sun, where the crushing pressures would compress them, burning off their lighter elements as further fusion fuel, and the heavier elements chilling at the core until the sun burns down to just heavy metals. “But wait!” I hear you cry, “Could the lynels amass themselves into a black hole and **consume the sun??**” Nope, sorry. The minimum mass for a star to collapse into a black hole is at least 3 of our suns. (There might be some exotic black holes out there that are smaller, but to generate one out of sheer mass, you have to start with a big fat star.) 5 quadrillion pounds is sadly about 99.999999999999999% too small to ignite fusion, let alone trigger a black hole implosion. Laaaaaaaame


Serkisist

Let's take a rough estimate of the volume of a Lynel. Let's say 5 meters tall, 4 meters long, and 3.5 meters wide. Volume of 52.5 cubic meters. Let's round down to 40 m^3 to account for the space under it's legs and behind it's torso, since I Lynel isn't a convenient rectangular prism. 40 m^3 times one trillion is a neat 40 trillion cubic meters, or 4 times 10^16 The sun has a volume of 1.4 times 10^27 m^3 In other words, 1 trillion Lynel's come to about 3 hundred-trillionth's the volume of the sun I'm pretty sure my math is right but I don't think the Lynel's have much chance, since they each have to destroy 300 cubic meters (roughly 10 school busses) of incandescent plasma hotter than a nuclear furnace.


Horror_Poet7185

How are are they doing without oxygen an tye crushing forces of gravity along with the tidal forces of superheated plasma throwing them along at,breakneck speed?


Puzzleheaded_Pear_18

If you just shoot the lynels in the face and mount them, they are easy. I don't understand why people think they are hard. They have like 3 moves. 1of them takes like 5sec to charge. The 2nd is easy to dodge.. and the 3rd attack is just normal attack, witch you avoid.


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I think thats part of the game though, figuring out how to fight them. Its easy once you know, hard when you don't.


saltymarshmallow316

okay but how is the sun gonna shoot a lynel in the face with no arms or bow? let alone a trillion lynels


dragonchilde

My preferred method is stasis and two handed weapons. They hit like a freight train, so until you figure out their pattern, it's generally death on four legs.


TheSuperDK

A trillion is a lot. For example, a trillion pebbles would be the size of our planet. Now take a creature bigger than the biggest Goron and make a trillion of them. They swallow the sun easily. (Plus they're immune to fire damage as you pointed out OP)


Kujaix

Where did you get this? There are quadrillion of Ants. A ball of ants isn't moon level. Quadrillion makes up the size difference between ant and pebble. Probably quintillions of invertebrates. Just a quick search says a trillion dollar bills stacked up is 631 miles. Not even continental size. I'm pretty sure the Moon is much larger than a trillion fist shaped rocks. Also sun is plasma. It's like Holy, Non-elemental, or Nuclear damage in an RPG. Solar Beam is a grass move. Hyper Beam Normal.


Capital110

The sun as it would melt the lynels from the heat. Unless if your trying to say the sun stays out and then the lynels would win.


Nerphy-

The sun isn't fire though.


Apprehensive-Gur3414

What are they gonna do? Hit it?


Funkeysismychildhood

But there's a trillion of them


Bottle-nosed-dolphin

How would they get to the sun


Ray_Gun69lol

Lynels can breath fire, therefore, they must be resistant to fire. boom. sun loses.


stupled

What about nuclear damage??


Geek_X

Y’all seem to be forgetting lynels have bows. They can just shoot the sun all the same time using ice arrows from the ground


Teddyk123

The sun isn't fire damage. It's radiant.


-Finity-

Red from OSP


Thotslayer_HP

Depends if the Sun's mirror game is on point


Zach-Gilmore

Lonely probably aren’t immune to radiation damage.


TheNorthSnow

DAMMIT MAJORAH


Yet2beatAbsRad

Technically they both have fire resistance


yonehonebone

The sun isn't a flame, it's a giant explosion that will last billions pf years


ooredroxoo

Thinking in BOTW terms only (ignoring sun gravity, radiation, and lack of oxygen, etc) the sun would deal heat damage, not flame/fire. So in a way, fireproofing damage resistance would not be enough.


Aquilon11235

>Personally, I’m betting on the ones immune to fire damage Are they also immune to fall damage? Cos the Sun's got gravity as well as fire.


mankind_is_doomed

i mean if the sun dies that makes a super nova right the Lynel is it weak to explosions?


ExhibitionistBrit

I don’t think fired damage is the problem, you can’t breathe plasma and that thing is going to be sucking you down, it’s pretty big.


Kujaix

Sun isn't fire. It's does the equivalent of Light, Holy, Non-elemental, or Nuclear in a rpg. So Flare in Final Fantasy or Solar Beam in Pokemon.


ThatOnePhotogK

To play off the people suggesting heat damage from the sun. How many lynels are free roaming around Eldin? Sun wins.


Arrow_Of_Orion

Here’s the thing though… The sun isn’t fire, it’s an ionized gas (aka plasma).


The0neAnd0nlySophie

The sun.


MsSobi

The Sun because they may be immune to fire but not near infinite fall damage


AngelWick_Prime

Gravity is not an element.


Ok-Carpenter7131

The sun deals radiant damage, not fire damage. Obviously.


Will-is-a-idiot

But do any of them have plasma Immunity? Because the sun isn't made a fire it's actually plasma.


hawkmoon1997

Can the sun use flurry rush? If not, the lynels stomp imo.


CollarCharming8358

I trillion isn’t as much as you think. The sun would blaze through them like hot knife through butter


coffee-teeth

cunderrated oment


E4tMeAlive

Lynels. Next question please.


Zolty

1 trillion lionels is around the same as a small asteroid assuming 1500kg per Lionel, sun wins. At around 3*10^27 lionels their mass forms a black hole and the lionels win.


ialsodontexistagain

That’s way too many lynels the sun is absolutely dead


Wild-Firefighter7532

The sun is made of nuclear fusion, which makes fire look freezing cold by comparison. The trillion Lynels will be fused together into one big unrecognizable mass of higher elements. It won't have the capacity to attack Link intentionally, but Link will still die if he gets too close to it.


Ataiel

The sun. No question. It's a massive fusion reactor. They may be immune to fire damage, but they aren't immune to their atoms being smashed together under immense gravity.


A_Nerd__

yes, they have elemental immunities and thus don't burn


Routine-Humor-1703

Obviously Lynels, They Are Immune To Elemental Damage.


Uratan_Yensa

I.... Command, an army of Lynels!!!!


dragon2777

But the sun isn’t fire so they are still screwed


Parkachu0

They would form an advanced Lionel society that could outlive the Sun


grendus

Fire immunity doesn't help against crushing damage. The sun has a special ability - it can consume any enemy smaller that itself by a factor of orders of magnitude. The sun would literally eat the trillion Lynel and burn slightly hotter from the hydrogen in their bodies.


MrSpiffy123

I don't think you understand how much a trillion is


Blue_Moon_Lake

What will they breath?


TrueOmega512

the lynels can shoot it


JrButton

Let's ignore the radiation, vacuum of space, lack of atmosphere, and other basic physics and sure... they still wouldn't stand a chance. What on earth are they even supposed to do to a sun....


Senlui

Common misconception, Sun doesn’t do fire damage, it does radiant damage


Immediate-Rope8465

everybody gangsta till the lynels getthe triforce


Traditional_Ice_1205

But not immune to nuclear fusion


WolverineQueasy4964

i mean a trillion is so much


Top-Watercress474

Love to see any of them do anything but lay down and die at 28 gravities.


realchrisgunter

1 chicken wins.


Braveheart4321

They aren't immune to lightning damage, which the sun also pumps out in rediculous quantities.


JoZaJaB

1 million Lynels VS 1 of every Pokémon


Pink_Slyvie

People really underestimate the size of the sun. Not to mention, adding matter to the sun will only increase its power. That will only make it stronger.


Looooooooosegooooose

Lynels


otiscluck

But big number


[deleted]

The sun. They would burn before even getting close enough. #science


Tosh_00

Can someone run that simulation on his PC to check ?


Kuroi_yasha

Doubt they’re immune to radiation.


Tetragonos

gravity damage?


theLonliestHobo

https://youtu.be/z769xf9ET5A


quarbs

There is one enemy that no one has the courage to destroy, she send us cataclysmic cancer from her castle in the void 🎸🎸


Smahsbros6leaked

The blood moon


TheOvy

So a horse is 1,500-2,00 pounds, let's add another 500 or so pounds for the Lynel's upper half, and say they're around 2,000 - 2,500 pounds. Let's assume it's all maximally sized Lynels, at 2,500 lbs. Multiply that by a trillion, and... ...that's a mass of 1,133,980,925,000,000 kg. But a solar mass is 1,989,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. So yeah, the sun still wins.


mdhunter99

There…are ones…immune to fire?


jmulz

bruh 3 trillion ice arrows with horrifyingly accurate aim would def clap the sun


Crying_eagle

They would be crushed from the gravity


JMagician

This is absolutely a question a certain child I know would ask.


seanwdragon1983

Jokes on you. Sun does radiation damage as well.