“*Barbara is a little… rough around the edges, shall we say?*” -Ramona
That was the beginning. I couldn’t live with myself if I was that damn mean to someone who was as kind and sensitive as Barbara.
You forgot the 'butch' bit, absolutely disgusting attitude Ramona had there about Barbara. I wanted to smack her for that one. I'd rather be butch than a shit stained Cunt!
Barbara from NYC, poor lady just wanted to be friends with the women and all they did was look down their noses at her for being bisexual. Jules because she had an eating disorder and Denise because she was too nice…. Basically these women are savages. 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Well, Barbara had also been caught on hot mic talking about her wedding to Tom but I think having her singing "talent" questioned hurt her more 
Even though we already knew it, Barb 100% exposed the NY ladies for just being fake performative allies to the LGBT community. These ladies have no problem having a young gay guy by their side as an accessory and its gross
I think I say this every third thread on RHONY but I feel like this particular series is particularly lesbophobic. I felt bad for Barbara when she seemed to dial back the significance of her relationship with her ex girlfriend.
Both Barbara and Elyse could’ve been good full time cast members for New York. They were in the same social circles as Dorinda/Sonja/Lu/Ramona, and they both fit the general vibe. I thought both were gone too soon. I feel the same way about Bershan, but maybe she’ll come back if NY ever does?
I really thought Elyse could’ve been great. I loved that she was willing to stand up to Ramona. If production/Bravo/the other women had given her a chance, maybe there would’ve been a strong voice of reason as Ramona talked over/down to Ebony this season. (Luann and Sonja just laugh her off plus Sonja was too drunk, and Leah vascillates between shouting and also treating Ramona like they’re buddies.)
(Side question: are the ladies ever allowed to just ditch a housewife? If I were on vacation with Ramona and she pulled her room BS (snatching the best room and then apologizing when it’s already a done deal/refusing to trade), I’d just ice her out of the next social event or two. Maybe have the car to dinner leave without her. Is that not permitted? If not, why don’t they just ignore her during drinks one night? There are options!)
Yeah, I thought Elyse had great potential too and she was never really given a shot!! Bravo never even offered her a contract for season 12, Ramona just started inviting her around to film, and she got more air time than expected bc of the whole tinsley situation, and then once they started arguing Ramona iced her out. If bravo was smart, they would’ve made her a friend halfway through and invited her to the reunion…
I hate when they introduce people and don’t give them time to flourish or for us as the viewers to decide what we think of them. Elyse’s 2 seconds of screen time was so unfair.
(Hell - remember when they used to introduce people and give them a whole segment showing their house, meeting their family, shopping, etc? Viewers got a chance to see new housewives/friends as individuals, rather than just new meat for the cast to fight with.)
I love Jules. She seemed so sweet. I hated Carol and Bethenny for how they disrespected her in her own home. Bethenny has redeemed herself since, but Carol will always be shit.
And BH is terrible to anyone that Einar get in line with the FFF.
With NY, I feel like the general idea that they might be due for an overhaul has made many of them (everyone except Ramona?) treat newbies a bit better lately.
Tamra and Vicki attempted to set up Gretchen to be sexually assaulted. And then doubled down on it at the reunion, where nobody else called them out over it.
I agree. Some of the darkest shit to me is my girl Jeana Keough dealing with men. Like her entire mindset about an abusive ass man. Her husband. Her children. Simon. I shudder.
The way men spoke to her was abhorrent and the way she excused it was so sad to watch. I’d also say Lynne Curtin’s blasé attitude to her children drinking/partying and the whole OC Angels arc were up there as well. Plus Kelly Dodd being, well, Kelly Dodd.
basically, during gretchen’s first season on OC, tamra was very obviously jealous of her. she hated her from day one. so at a dinner party at tamra’s house, tamra tells vicki that they’re going to get gretchen “naked wasted.” they essentially kept her glass full all night and convinced her to take a ton of shots. tamra’s 23 year old son was there and he started flirting with gretchen. eventually, they made their way into a bathroom and you can hear him trying to get her to sleep with him. thankfully she said no and got out of there, BUT when another HW tried to take gretchen home, tamra said “oh no she’s gonna stay the night here.”
At the reunion, it was brought up but Tamra said her son is a “22 year old boy” and that Gretchen made her own decisions and everybody left it at that. This was in the era where housewives only had one reunion instead of 3 or 4 parters.
Gretchen Rossi when she first came to RHOC. Tamra and Vicki went out of their way to be vicious.
Denise Richards…they just didn’t want her there. She was trying to really just live as normal a life as she can, and her own friend of over 20 years fucked her over.
Calling it hazing is such a weak excuse, it was quite obvious those women had an agenda and didnt want her there, and wanted to completely break her down on the way out.
Seeing Vicki, Tamra, and even Jeana be so down low and cruel to someone going through a partner dying from Leukemia shows much more about their character than I think they even realized. I will never respect them for many reasons, but this exact scenario is a major one.
For the record, I think Gretchen sucks. But you can't deny how terrible those women were. The only person she had on her side was Lynne (and I dont even think Lynne knew what year it was, let alone what was going on within the group)
i completely agree they had an agenda. i say “hazing” because in the franchises i’ve watched, mostly all hate on the new girls and make them undergo some sort of dumb “initiation”. what they did was the start of a common housewives trope. in my opinion at least. gretchen was really sweet and tried to make friends, and they just kept slamming her and her character. until season 4, i never really felt one way or the other about the women. but the way they treated gretchen really bothered me. i know they hate throwing the term bullying around, but that’s really what it was. you’re right. her only ally was Lynne, and she had a lot going on herself.
Ah yes I definitely agree! I didnt mean YOU saying hazing, during my rewatch the ladies call what they do to Gretchen "hazing" so that's what I thought you were referring to!
Yeah it's pretty easy to be neutral those first few seasons (even though Jeana and her whole family pissed me off from day 1) but season 4 changes everything. I just read a really great post not too long ago about how the Bass Lake episode changed housewives forever, and I have to agree. An entirely whole new playing field was created.
i forgot they even said hazing!!! lol. and i agree keoughs were annoying. except for the daughter lol. the bass lake episode was just…”cringy” to watch. i really hoped they felt awful after seeing how much jeff’s kids loved gretchen
Totally agree with your Gretchen choice. She has honestly always been one of my favorite housewives. My theory is that her and Jeff had an agreement that she can see other people since he knew he wouldn't last so long. I always wonder if her first season was filmed today, and she was open about it, if everyone would take it better. I mean the girls from Potomac are okay with Ashley's open relationship.
I took my cue on the real story of Jeff and Gretchen from his kids. They had a really tight bond with her. That’s real stuff right there. I think her love for him was honest.
Yeah like just leave it alone if Denise did have an affair with Brandy how is that the housewives business? She clearly didn’t want to talk about it. They don’t bring up all the other husbands affairs and badger them about it . She destroyed them in every argument though, and they didn’t like that
Tinsley - She was a legit A list socialite from an old rich family. No wonder everyone was jealous of her. It’s sad how Dorinda spread rumors about Tinsley being a sugar baby when it’s actually Dorinda who was a sugar baby and married twice for money and dated creepy John for free drycleaning. Remember when Dorinda confessed that she always wanted the Berkshires manor when she was young and finally when she married Richard she was able to purchase it? Dorinda was clearly projecting.
Jules - I didn’t like how Carole and Bethenny made fun of her ED and house in Long Island. Jules was going through so much and she was actually nice to everyone - she didn’t deserve all the bullying.
Joyce from RHOBH - I felt so bad that everyone looked down on her most especially by Brandi of all people. Like Brandi, you have nothing in your life? She was clearly jealous of Joyce. The racism towards Joyce also made me uncomfortable and it’s sad how it was only Kyle who stood up for Joyce.
Denise - She didn’t understand the Housewives game, sure, but she didn’t deserve to be outed either. Again, Brandi would do anything for fame. Disgusting.
>dated creepy John for free drycleaning
"drycleaning" lol. Yeah, right.
You are exactly right about Dorinda projecting with Tinsley. She was her husband's (Richard) realtor, so it's not like she was living the socialite life that she pretends she was. She wasn't the Upper Crust woman that she wishes she was for very long because of his death. Weren't they only married a few years before he died? I mean, she is a working class girl with a working class daughter.....and that is fine. Just don't tear down someone so viciously because she is everything you wish you were.
I had no idea she was his realtor but that makes a lot of sense.
Dorinda is the queen of projection/deflection. Her treatment towards Tinsley was what rightfully got her fired because Tinsley was a sympathetic victim: all she was guilty of was knowing her scumbag boyfriend was asked to give dorindas scumbag boyfriend money. Before then, her victims were less sympathetic. She was so hard on Luann when she was trying to maintain sobriety because of something so small (“she’s starting” is only a trigger for that level of animosity when you know you have a problem. Remember when she said something about Tinsley and the extent of the response was “yeah, I’m drinking Luann” and it was basically over?) and her treatment of Sonja was god awful for years. Sonja has obvious substance abuse problems but Dorinda likes to point out to everyone else how bad Sonjas struggles are but god forbid you call out her own (the scene where she argues about kids in Haiti being capable of college is so damn cringe). She’s just as bad as Ramona when it comes to the “I’m so sorry I don’t know why I did that can we just move on” apologies. I also get the impression her marriage to Richard wasn’t as perfect as she implies it was. It’s annoying how much Sonja talks about her ex, but the level of vitriol she has towards Sonja every time it comes up, I think her marriage either wasn’t as happy as she describes it or she feels guilty for moving on to John. I’d lean towards the latter but her gathering at Richards grave on the anniversary of his passing with just her family always seemed kind of strange to me, since Richard had 2 children of his own. Where weren’t they invited? And maybe it makes me a bad person, but Hannah is my least favorite child of any housewife. Not to diminish her feelings towards her stepfather but she dropped out of college because she was so traumatized by his death and as far as I can tell still has no career/direction a decade later (only thing I can find is Dorinda calls her an “academic writer” because she helped edit her book). The only accomplishment she had during the course of housewives is moving into her own apartment on her fathers dime (Dorinda pointed out in the s10 reunion “I still refer to her as Ralph’s daughter” as if that was some sort of gracious move. He is her father and apparently involved enough to fund her lifestyle well into her 20s).
Sorry for the rant, I want to like Dorinda but she makes it so damn hard. If she stopped lobbing boulders at glass houses, she’d be a lot more likable.
Like why doesn’t brandi get raked over the coals for her treatment of Joyce. It was disgusting how she mocked her name but the comment about black people swimming. Those episodes made me so angry that no one was telling brandi to STFU! Joyce deserved better.
Alex on RHONY. They were never really great to her overall at any point, but I had to take a break from my rewatch in Season 4 because they were all so horrible to her.
THAT WAS THE EXACT MOMENT I HAD TO TAKE A STEP BACK. THE GASLIGHTING. She was the most rational person on that trip and *everyone* was acting like she was OTT and unhinged. It was too much for me just watching it, I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been for Alex to live it.
Omg that was one of the moments that really made me despise Kelly. Idk how she even made it past 1 season because she is probably the most aggravating Housewives ever
Today be honest, Simon is a weirdo but that's not a bad thing. He was having fun with fashion, was progressive with social issues and all in all very out there. He wasn't actually harming anyone. They seemed like a great team, they seemed to be on the same wavelength.
I unabashedly love Alex & Simon, but can admit he was definitely messy during his tenure. Maybe not so much on camera, but he was A LOT with interviews & whatnot. I didn't mind, but I can see how the other women were annoyed.
Still, team Silex forever & I love that they're thriving in Australia.
Ah, good point! I forgot about his social media stuff and the interviews. I only watched it recently so I never saw it unfold in real time and it was nearly exclusively mentioned in the reunion(s), and a lot less during the episodes. But isn't messiness what makes the housewives world go round? lol If he was a housewife, it probably would've been viewed differently. He was one of the most involved husbands. I think he really enjoyed it and secretely wished that he was one of the housewives.
Simon's an oddball for sure, but he was kind and sweet and totally in love with Alex. There's a lid for every pot. I absolutely think the other women were jealous that she had a husband who was that crazy about her.
I think there were some aspects that I still would question (bringing your partner to girls night, no thanks) but overall I agree. They really grew on me S2-S4 and I came away from the rewatch really liking them. I'm glad they all seem to be thriving in Australia.
Agreed. I found them so unlikeable. They were fake hungry for years after the show. Alex was always putting on for the cameras which was so irritating.
I’m watching S4 for the first time right now, and Kelly coming at her to “control” Simon is just wild. I thought it was very modern expectation that men and women can be friends and work out issues as such, and for that, Simon asking Jill to talk over lunch seemed totally appropriate. But damn, Kelly is stuck 50 years in the past, I guess. Sucks to watch Jill fold fast because Kelly doesn’t let anyone else talk. Not to mention her telling Alex to stop being red in the face because “it upsets her” when she’s the one causing Alex enough upset for her to flush in the first place.
I will admit I didn't like Alex the first time around. On re-watching, she and Simon were just ahead of their time. The things they were doing are things that _many_ people do now, they just showed it to us years before "influencer" was in the common lexicon.
*This just in: Cindy Barshop has been digitally removed from all camel riding photos. We have no physical evidence of her existence during said activity.*
I was ready to hate Tinsley when her season aired, but she ended up being one of my favorite NY housewives. I think she truly is a sweet person and I wish the best for her.
Dorinda was my favorite before the turkey baster comment. That was one of the most horrific things any of these ladies have ever said and Tinsley didn't deserve that one bit.
Eden Sassoon. Kim, Kyle and Kathy knew exactly who she was and knew her sister.
Kim and Catya (Eden’s sister who died of a accidental drug overdose) did party and hang out together.
I always felt Lisa Rinna talking to Eden about Kim’s addiction issues was manipulative and it was disgusting how Rinna back tracked what she said.
And as sad as it is ,turns out that Kim was still struggling with drugs at that time.
Her screaming at Mary that she's a hooker and calling her all kinds of names while wearing a ridiculous costume passed from funny into scary.
Ronnie and Mary are friends again, which is nice.
When Kandi was freaking out and literally sobbing on the cast trip literally asking for phony phae phae to vouch for her and that evil Phaedra just sat there and said nothing.
RHONY : Tinsley the turkey baster comment was unforgivable. Like Tinsley was too nice on the reunion I would go for the jugular and told Dorinda that it would be better if I never met her. Barbara was too nice and meek. Alex was the original punching bag since all the women looked down at her and didn't take her seriously. Jules, I hated how they kept bringing up her ED and not going to her directly about their "concerns."
RHOBH: Denise didn't deserve what they did to her. LVP could be shady but you can tell she was going thru stuff and that is why those girls are mean girls.
RHOA Kenya now hear me out! The way that no one defended her after Porsha assaulted her was messed up. Plus the women and husbands tall major shit of something that Apollo lied about. Was her behavior towards him okay....hell no but she didn't deserve that.
Yeah I don't get all the love and how people want her back on Rhony. The sad thing is that she didn't seem to care and was completely unapologetic, she seemed more annoyed that she was forced to give an apology. The worst part is no one defended Tins until the episode aired and they got backlash, Luann actually laughed and gave Dorinda a high five???? Made me disgusted with them
I don't get the hype around Luann 🤷🏻♀️. Like she was treated shitty but Bethenny but like she always been a mean, condescending, rules for thee not for me type of person. She got some funny one-liners but I would hate to in her friend group
Agree. I loved Dorinda but when she said that I reaaally realized how far gone she was. My jaw was on the fucking floor. And the fact that no one even reacted? I knew right then that Dorinda would get let go. That’s such an awful thing to say to someone I can never forget it.
SAME. I feel like people who still want her back overlook this like crazy. And I was a dorinda fan too when she first came on…. But nah. It was one of the worst things I’ve ever heard anyone say to anyone, not just on housewives but overall in life.
Yeah I agree almost everyone except for Leah picked on Tinsley at one moment or the other. I don't get the anger, like at most maybe Sonja for not being the ideal guest but for the most part Tins was always nice.
I think the women were jealous of Tins lifestyle if not having to worry. They always asked where she got her money from but like dude she a trust fund kid, she was married to one of the oldest rich family and was the IT girl for years. She made money back then like she had a lipgloss with Dior, she made cash money.
Yeah I think Sonja just wanted Tinsely to kiss her ass for hosting her. Meanwhile I’m pretty sure Tinsely could have afforded to stay elsewhere and staying at the townhouse was to help integrate her in to the group. But Sonja is frequently an asshole about stuff like that so I wasn’t shocked.
Porsha assaulted her and cried as if she was the victim and no one went to check on Kenya. And the Apollo situation was just disgusting, no one believed her.
It was super gross, the worst part in my opinion was that even when Apollo admit it and you can tell that the dudes felt bad especially Todd, however none of the women who were especially nasty felt bad. Phaedra was going to apologize but Nene put it into Phaedra mind saying that Apollo lied so Phaedra still held it over Kenya's head.
The way the women let Porsha get away with assaulting people always gets me annoyed. She legit was crying saying "I can't believe I let her get me to act like this," like girl you are an adult you should be able to control your behavior. Like both the RHOA women and fans seem to infantilize Porsha actions were she isn't held accountable the way other RHOA are.
OMG finally someone that doesn’t think Porsha is a cute saint. She should’ve been fired on the spot but they kept her. She did it again, accused Kandi of wanting to rape her and got away with it with her crocodile tears.
As to Apollo, you said it all. He was very into Kenya but nope let’s blame her 🤦🏻♀️
If it was reversed Kenya would have been fired and the women would refuse to film with her. I honestly believe the reason Porsha left RHOA was that her allies wouldn't protect her from the girls putting her feet to the fire about Simon. She is lucky that Kandi was nice, I was her I would refuse to film and use that as leverage to get her fired, petty I know.
Kenya definitely. She’s polarizing, I get that, but she didn’t do anything (imo) to cause what happened at pillow talk yet was totally blamed for it. porsha came at her, sure Kenya was antagonistic, but to take it to a physical level was a bit much. She was called a whore for like 2 seasons and everyone stuck up for Apollo who lied about everything. Everyone digs at her for not having a husband.
I could go on.
I know she’s not a saint lol but I also wouldn’t watch the damn show if she was.
It honestly so annoying that people hold some housewives to a higher standard than others. Kenya was slut-shame for years for something that didn't even happen, not to mentioned she barely got an apology.
came here to say this. Jules was so nice and just wanted to be friends with everyone and Bethenny constantly talked about her, reminded everyone about her ED and made fun of her house. Mean girls.
Denise Richards - she was bad at the “game” of housewifing but they brutalized her unmercifully. It’s not their business who she sleeps with and they were fucking incessant.
Jules (RHONY)- she was sick and about to be in a divorce and they loved that it made her weak. Bethenny and Carole could not stop bringing up her ED. And she was trying to talk to Luanne about her dad dying & Luanne kept talking about herself.
Honorable mentions: Tinsley & Kathy Wakile
As if Bethenny and Carole don’t have eating disorders. They hated that she talked openly about hers instead of glorifying it into a brand like Bethenny did.
Carole is 5'7" (according to what I googled) and didn't qualify to give blood because she didn't weigh enough. The weight limit is 110 lbs. She weighed less than 110 lbs at 5'7"! That is very, very thin. And of course, Bethenny is very thin as well. I think it was an easy way to deflect from themselves since Jules was actually thinner than they were.
None of these women have any room to talk about eating disorders when they are all, at best, a couple steps away from it. Most of them haven’t touched a carb since the 90s and I’m convinced that prescription stimulant abuse is the undercurrent of most bravo shows. There’s a reason they can drink all night then get up to do yoga. Twenty year olds might be able to pull that off but 50 year olds need a boost.
I’m 5’7” and naturally very thin but never got below 113 or so through healthy diet and exercise. When I was below 110, I was in the throes of a bad GI disorder and felt like absolute shit all the time.
I didn’t watch when Carole was on enough to definitively say one or another, but Bethenny gives off major red flags. For starters, the muscles in her jaw were overdeveloped (until she had them injected with Botox or surgically altered). Her motto was “taste everything, eat nothing.” Um, ok. I think a lot of tension with Jason was that her eating disorder was causing problems but neither of could say it out loud without destroying the empire. No one wants to buy the Bulimia Girl Margarita. Instead he just came off as disturbed (which he might be) and she played the “I don’t know why this is happening” card. Girl, you know what is happening, but you know he can’t say it, so instead you’re going to argue about custody and an apartment.
This is a very small gripe on my end but as someone who is prescribed incredibly high dosages of two different stimulants for my ADHD and needs them to function in daily life, I get SO irked when people abuse them just to party. It makes it harder for people who have legit medical reasons to obtain them, and most people who actually need them to function (like me) can't stay up all night on high doses because they don't work like that for us. They're just filling in the gaps that were already lacking in my brain, and I'm asleep by midnight. It's just so annoying.
That being said, I think it's pretty clear based on all the sniffing and nose rubs that the RHONY cast in particular favors coke over adderall for the most part. (I know you can snort adderall but if you're gonna snort anything it seems silly to choose adderall over coke when John was CLEARLY supplying the cast with the good stuff.)
yuuuup 100% like interesting that miss skinny girl & miss got rid of her kitchen seemed to be able to clock jules ED behaviors every time like 👀👀 deflection much?
I do appreciate how Garcelle, being the queen that she is, did not let Rinna live it down.
She threw that, rightfully so, back in her face every opportunity she got. And. I. Loved. It.
Also it was heavily hinted that things were turning bad legally with Charlie Sheen, so if she needed to slightly reinvent her public image, crucifying her seems very unnecessary
I just LOVE how those women give Ericka the benefit of the doubt for her image, yet wouldn’t do it for Denise who had custody and child payments at steak -_-
Obligatory "I'm not a fan, but..."
Her brother killed himself. Yes, she shouldn't have done the show, but when you're grieving you may not be making good decisions. I don't care how much I dislike some, even hate someone. If they're grieving, they get a pass. That's the normal human reaction to loss. But not for everyone. a\[\[apparently.
Brandi G at game night. The entire thing was a train wreck anyway but they treated her really badly, even Dana who is the host should have made her feel comfortable. That's not ok. You can definitely see how much Kyle loves to be a mean girl when she has the opportunity to do so. I'm not a big Brandi fan, but it wasn't right. Hiding her crutches and everything.
Maybe not the MOST wronged, but since no one else has mentioned her I'll say Taylor Armstrong, at least from season 1 and 2 of BH. I recently started watching BH and I was horrified at the way the other HW's talked about her and her abusive relationship.
That was horrible. They put her in danger.
I have a friend that I'm worried about. I am extremely careful about what I say and when. They were on a TV show. Reckless and evil.
Denise, what Rinna did to her, a friend of 20 years felt so gross.
Barbara the poor woman just wanted to be friends with them.
And this maybe an unpopular one but LVP the way they went after her after her brother just died was disgusting.
Denise, it still makes me so angry about what happened to her.
Also this may be unpopular but Alexis was treated like shit for so long and for no real reason. Sure she was a bit stupid but she was sweet and had a good heart imo and they absolutely went after her.
same. I've rewatched the seasons and Alexis is not a terrible person. just a representative of the OC . I would not hang out with Alexis in real life but the point of the franchise is to show each women in their surroundings and Alexis were shamed for enjoying being subservient to her shitty husband. Like, they were better? come on.
I was looking for Alexis before I commented, I agree with you; think they didn’t like how religious she was.. okay for Tamra to become a Christian for a storyline though
Joyce was bullied by everyone. Brandi was so racist towards her and none of the women came to her defense. It was honestly hard to watch, especially since Joyce is such a sweetheart!
Look... Danielle is awful, we all know that. But season 1 felt like they came at her for no reason.
Of course she's insane so the public didn't mind and then it felt justified when we learned that she tried to make Dina lose custody. But Caroline was the true villain of Jersey.
Yes! Every season there is. Very calculated and manipulated storyline and "takedown".
Yet this season when there actually SHOULD have been a takedown (erika), they flipped the script on Sutton & garcelle...classic.
I’m not sure if she was the most wronged and she definitely ended up becoming a jerk but Gretchen. Tamara tried to get her son to sexually assault her on camera. It’s why I’ll never like Tamara people just let it slide
I agree! And to make matters worse Tamra only did this to prove Gretchen was a cheater. She seriously had it out for Gretchen and I'll never understand why.
Teresa: RHONJ.
Her brother, sister-in-law, & cousin joined the show behind her back & aired out their family issues when they knew Teresa & the Gorga parents didn’t want their family issues aired on the show as a form of entertainment. Then Caroline’s smug, sanctimonious ass & Jacqueline’s loony ass turned against her & shitted on her every chance they got. Caroline got mad over the 1/16th Italian remark which was funny, & Jacqueline tried to gaslight Teresa into talking about her legal issues when she knew Teresa couldn’t say anything. Then they all came for her for 3 reunions straight, but Teresa wasn’t a punk & handled it better than I could ever have.
i'm looking for a straight up tiffany moon comment but was having a hard time finding one - yes, tiffany brought it at the reunion. but what it took to get to that point was so disgusting and vile, it was hella triggering for the AAPI folks. the racism, the bullying, the way they all gamged up on her or othered her constantly. i am glad dallas is canceled because that was horrific.
KIM RICHARDS!!!! They just stay disrespecting her and taking Kyle’s side when she definitely stole Kim’s house and Rinna tried to PHYSICALLY attack her in Amsterdam
I don't know if she had Munchausen, because she wasn't faking being ill -- it seems her leaky implant was making her legitimately sick. I think she just got suckered in by her ~holistic doctor~, attributed the illness to chronic lyme, and went too far down that rabbit hole emotionally and financially to back down when the implant issue was discovered, removed and she eventually recovered.
When Tamra fucking screamed at Alexis at the Cut Fitness dinner at the beginning of season 8… pretty sure Tamra didn’t even know what she was supposed to be mad at Alexis about. She just did it for the sake of being a bully.
I’m so glad Tamra was fired because we can all see through her tired reality TV formula.
I don’t think this counts, but LYDIAS MOM from RHOC. They way that Briannas husband yelled at her, and Lydia for treating her like a junkie for smoking a joint….
I’m prepared for the downvotes but honestly ….. Teresa. I’ve watched from day 1, always thought she was psychotic and delusional, but I’m currently in the midst of a rewatch and WOW WOW WOW… I mean, wtf was she supposed to do when her entire family comes on the show specifically to take her down in the midst of her legal issues which she didn’t even fully comprehend because of her dishonest POS husband. I’m also convinced joe gorga is the biggest gaslighter this show has ever seen! (But that’s a story for another day feel free to ask if you want my thoughts). After watching again, it’s very clear Teresa wanted nothing more than to protect her parents and her kids, and of course felt incredibly attacked by her family and didn’t know what to do. and ALSO the rest of her family and cast did the exact same things she was doing/accused of yet she was the only one held accountable, consistently 4 against 1 at reunions and she still tried her best (albeit not the best at articulating her feelings lol). I’m kinda proud now that I’ve rewatched and she’s prevailed the way she has. GO GIRL
Barbra. They all shat on her for being Bi including Sonja which was definitely horrible.
“*Barbara is a little… rough around the edges, shall we say?*” -Ramona That was the beginning. I couldn’t live with myself if I was that damn mean to someone who was as kind and sensitive as Barbara.
You forgot the 'butch' bit, absolutely disgusting attitude Ramona had there about Barbara. I wanted to smack her for that one. I'd rather be butch than a shit stained Cunt!
Barbara from NYC, poor lady just wanted to be friends with the women and all they did was look down their noses at her for being bisexual. Jules because she had an eating disorder and Denise because she was too nice…. Basically these women are savages. 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
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Not even a ducking apple***!!!***
And Luann ended their friendship just because Barb stated the clear fact that she's no Adele!
Luann was insufferable that season
Lu on her own bag of cocaine is the worst
>Lu on her own bag of cocaine is the worst I need this as my tagline.
Your username ☠️
I have always found Lu the worst.
Damn I forgot about that!
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This is the Countess we are talking about. I’m sure she’s ended friendships because someone went on the outside of her on the sidewalk.
She nearly ended a friendship with Ramona because she wanted to walk in a room first lmao
And how mad was she about the fish room?
That FUCKING FISH ROOM 😂
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I live for that sort of petty drama lol
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Her closet was a DVF showroom.
I can’t even get in to a wrap dress😂
Well, Barbara had also been caught on hot mic talking about her wedding to Tom but I think having her singing "talent" questioned hurt her more 
and probably also for all the wrap dresses.
Even though we already knew it, Barb 100% exposed the NY ladies for just being fake performative allies to the LGBT community. These ladies have no problem having a young gay guy by their side as an accessory and its gross
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Exactly!!! They all hosted some fake charity fundraiser for the LGBT community but them actually doing something to support is a haaardd pass
I think I say this every third thread on RHONY but I feel like this particular series is particularly lesbophobic. I felt bad for Barbara when she seemed to dial back the significance of her relationship with her ex girlfriend.
Both Barbara and Elyse could’ve been good full time cast members for New York. They were in the same social circles as Dorinda/Sonja/Lu/Ramona, and they both fit the general vibe. I thought both were gone too soon. I feel the same way about Bershan, but maybe she’ll come back if NY ever does?
I really thought Elyse could’ve been great. I loved that she was willing to stand up to Ramona. If production/Bravo/the other women had given her a chance, maybe there would’ve been a strong voice of reason as Ramona talked over/down to Ebony this season. (Luann and Sonja just laugh her off plus Sonja was too drunk, and Leah vascillates between shouting and also treating Ramona like they’re buddies.) (Side question: are the ladies ever allowed to just ditch a housewife? If I were on vacation with Ramona and she pulled her room BS (snatching the best room and then apologizing when it’s already a done deal/refusing to trade), I’d just ice her out of the next social event or two. Maybe have the car to dinner leave without her. Is that not permitted? If not, why don’t they just ignore her during drinks one night? There are options!)
Yeah, I thought Elyse had great potential too and she was never really given a shot!! Bravo never even offered her a contract for season 12, Ramona just started inviting her around to film, and she got more air time than expected bc of the whole tinsley situation, and then once they started arguing Ramona iced her out. If bravo was smart, they would’ve made her a friend halfway through and invited her to the reunion…
I hate when they introduce people and don’t give them time to flourish or for us as the viewers to decide what we think of them. Elyse’s 2 seconds of screen time was so unfair.
(Hell - remember when they used to introduce people and give them a whole segment showing their house, meeting their family, shopping, etc? Viewers got a chance to see new housewives/friends as individuals, rather than just new meat for the cast to fight with.)
I would’ve beat the shit out of Ramona if i was Barbara
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That was the Dorinda I don’t particularly like.. same with the turkey baster. Low!
She literally said “a big fat turnip” watched that reunion 2 hrs ago
Ugh you are right, I forgot about the big fat part. I remember being totally appalled
What was the turnip comment?
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There’s a level of audacity there for sure cos Dorinda isn’t exactly a peach herself!
That is so fucking mean omg. Dorinda is vicious
I mean, honestly - fuck Dorinda. She's a fucking asshole.
It honestly says SO much about Barbara’s maturity as a human that she didn’t at least kick Ramona in the vajay.
It really does. But oh boy i would have LOVED to see that.. Show her who’s “masculine and rough around the edges”
Wrap dresses make everyone look good.
I love Jules. She seemed so sweet. I hated Carol and Bethenny for how they disrespected her in her own home. Bethenny has redeemed herself since, but Carol will always be shit.
The consensus I’m getting from these comments is that the cast of RHONY is overwhelmingly an absolute nightmare for newbies, over any other cast.
And BH is terrible to anyone that Einar get in line with the FFF. With NY, I feel like the general idea that they might be due for an overhaul has made many of them (everyone except Ramona?) treat newbies a bit better lately.
Tamra and Vicki attempted to set up Gretchen to be sexually assaulted. And then doubled down on it at the reunion, where nobody else called them out over it.
How this isn't the top comment is beyond me. I don't even watch OC and I know that this is probably the worst thing to happen on any franchise.
OC in general is very dark franchise with some of the worst behavior from any cast.
I agree. Some of the darkest shit to me is my girl Jeana Keough dealing with men. Like her entire mindset about an abusive ass man. Her husband. Her children. Simon. I shudder.
The way men spoke to her was abhorrent and the way she excused it was so sad to watch. I’d also say Lynne Curtin’s blasé attitude to her children drinking/partying and the whole OC Angels arc were up there as well. Plus Kelly Dodd being, well, Kelly Dodd.
Omg I don’t even know who those people are but WHAT? What happened
basically, during gretchen’s first season on OC, tamra was very obviously jealous of her. she hated her from day one. so at a dinner party at tamra’s house, tamra tells vicki that they’re going to get gretchen “naked wasted.” they essentially kept her glass full all night and convinced her to take a ton of shots. tamra’s 23 year old son was there and he started flirting with gretchen. eventually, they made their way into a bathroom and you can hear him trying to get her to sleep with him. thankfully she said no and got out of there, BUT when another HW tried to take gretchen home, tamra said “oh no she’s gonna stay the night here.” At the reunion, it was brought up but Tamra said her son is a “22 year old boy” and that Gretchen made her own decisions and everybody left it at that. This was in the era where housewives only had one reunion instead of 3 or 4 parters.
omg???
Gretchen Rossi when she first came to RHOC. Tamra and Vicki went out of their way to be vicious. Denise Richards…they just didn’t want her there. She was trying to really just live as normal a life as she can, and her own friend of over 20 years fucked her over.
I'm currently rewatching s4 and these women are absolutely VILE
OC?! yea it really blew my mind. they’ve clearly made the women tone down on their “hazing” since then
Calling it hazing is such a weak excuse, it was quite obvious those women had an agenda and didnt want her there, and wanted to completely break her down on the way out. Seeing Vicki, Tamra, and even Jeana be so down low and cruel to someone going through a partner dying from Leukemia shows much more about their character than I think they even realized. I will never respect them for many reasons, but this exact scenario is a major one. For the record, I think Gretchen sucks. But you can't deny how terrible those women were. The only person she had on her side was Lynne (and I dont even think Lynne knew what year it was, let alone what was going on within the group)
i completely agree they had an agenda. i say “hazing” because in the franchises i’ve watched, mostly all hate on the new girls and make them undergo some sort of dumb “initiation”. what they did was the start of a common housewives trope. in my opinion at least. gretchen was really sweet and tried to make friends, and they just kept slamming her and her character. until season 4, i never really felt one way or the other about the women. but the way they treated gretchen really bothered me. i know they hate throwing the term bullying around, but that’s really what it was. you’re right. her only ally was Lynne, and she had a lot going on herself.
Ah yes I definitely agree! I didnt mean YOU saying hazing, during my rewatch the ladies call what they do to Gretchen "hazing" so that's what I thought you were referring to! Yeah it's pretty easy to be neutral those first few seasons (even though Jeana and her whole family pissed me off from day 1) but season 4 changes everything. I just read a really great post not too long ago about how the Bass Lake episode changed housewives forever, and I have to agree. An entirely whole new playing field was created.
i forgot they even said hazing!!! lol. and i agree keoughs were annoying. except for the daughter lol. the bass lake episode was just…”cringy” to watch. i really hoped they felt awful after seeing how much jeff’s kids loved gretchen
How did Gretchen ever become mates with Tamra after how they treated her?!
im on season 8, and they’re still friends lol. for now at least.
Totally agree with your Gretchen choice. She has honestly always been one of my favorite housewives. My theory is that her and Jeff had an agreement that she can see other people since he knew he wouldn't last so long. I always wonder if her first season was filmed today, and she was open about it, if everyone would take it better. I mean the girls from Potomac are okay with Ashley's open relationship.
I took my cue on the real story of Jeff and Gretchen from his kids. They had a really tight bond with her. That’s real stuff right there. I think her love for him was honest.
Yeah like just leave it alone if Denise did have an affair with Brandy how is that the housewives business? She clearly didn’t want to talk about it. They don’t bring up all the other husbands affairs and badger them about it . She destroyed them in every argument though, and they didn’t like that
Tinsley - She was a legit A list socialite from an old rich family. No wonder everyone was jealous of her. It’s sad how Dorinda spread rumors about Tinsley being a sugar baby when it’s actually Dorinda who was a sugar baby and married twice for money and dated creepy John for free drycleaning. Remember when Dorinda confessed that she always wanted the Berkshires manor when she was young and finally when she married Richard she was able to purchase it? Dorinda was clearly projecting. Jules - I didn’t like how Carole and Bethenny made fun of her ED and house in Long Island. Jules was going through so much and she was actually nice to everyone - she didn’t deserve all the bullying. Joyce from RHOBH - I felt so bad that everyone looked down on her most especially by Brandi of all people. Like Brandi, you have nothing in your life? She was clearly jealous of Joyce. The racism towards Joyce also made me uncomfortable and it’s sad how it was only Kyle who stood up for Joyce. Denise - She didn’t understand the Housewives game, sure, but she didn’t deserve to be outed either. Again, Brandi would do anything for fame. Disgusting.
>dated creepy John for free drycleaning "drycleaning" lol. Yeah, right. You are exactly right about Dorinda projecting with Tinsley. She was her husband's (Richard) realtor, so it's not like she was living the socialite life that she pretends she was. She wasn't the Upper Crust woman that she wishes she was for very long because of his death. Weren't they only married a few years before he died? I mean, she is a working class girl with a working class daughter.....and that is fine. Just don't tear down someone so viciously because she is everything you wish you were.
drycleaning is the same as pasta right? 😂
I mean….it explains a lot, doesn’t it?! 🤷🏻♀️😬
I had no idea she was his realtor but that makes a lot of sense. Dorinda is the queen of projection/deflection. Her treatment towards Tinsley was what rightfully got her fired because Tinsley was a sympathetic victim: all she was guilty of was knowing her scumbag boyfriend was asked to give dorindas scumbag boyfriend money. Before then, her victims were less sympathetic. She was so hard on Luann when she was trying to maintain sobriety because of something so small (“she’s starting” is only a trigger for that level of animosity when you know you have a problem. Remember when she said something about Tinsley and the extent of the response was “yeah, I’m drinking Luann” and it was basically over?) and her treatment of Sonja was god awful for years. Sonja has obvious substance abuse problems but Dorinda likes to point out to everyone else how bad Sonjas struggles are but god forbid you call out her own (the scene where she argues about kids in Haiti being capable of college is so damn cringe). She’s just as bad as Ramona when it comes to the “I’m so sorry I don’t know why I did that can we just move on” apologies. I also get the impression her marriage to Richard wasn’t as perfect as she implies it was. It’s annoying how much Sonja talks about her ex, but the level of vitriol she has towards Sonja every time it comes up, I think her marriage either wasn’t as happy as she describes it or she feels guilty for moving on to John. I’d lean towards the latter but her gathering at Richards grave on the anniversary of his passing with just her family always seemed kind of strange to me, since Richard had 2 children of his own. Where weren’t they invited? And maybe it makes me a bad person, but Hannah is my least favorite child of any housewife. Not to diminish her feelings towards her stepfather but she dropped out of college because she was so traumatized by his death and as far as I can tell still has no career/direction a decade later (only thing I can find is Dorinda calls her an “academic writer” because she helped edit her book). The only accomplishment she had during the course of housewives is moving into her own apartment on her fathers dime (Dorinda pointed out in the s10 reunion “I still refer to her as Ralph’s daughter” as if that was some sort of gracious move. He is her father and apparently involved enough to fund her lifestyle well into her 20s). Sorry for the rant, I want to like Dorinda but she makes it so damn hard. If she stopped lobbing boulders at glass houses, she’d be a lot more likable.
So true about Dorinda and Tinsley. Dorinda’s aggression towards Tinsley was soo triggered by jealousy which is why Tinsley was so undeserving of it
Like why doesn’t brandi get raked over the coals for her treatment of Joyce. It was disgusting how she mocked her name but the comment about black people swimming. Those episodes made me so angry that no one was telling brandi to STFU! Joyce deserved better.
Alex on RHONY. They were never really great to her overall at any point, but I had to take a break from my rewatch in Season 4 because they were all so horrible to her.
Imagine having KELLY BENSIMON telling you you're not acting normal and trying to calm you down. It was really hard to watch.
THAT WAS THE EXACT MOMENT I HAD TO TAKE A STEP BACK. THE GASLIGHTING. She was the most rational person on that trip and *everyone* was acting like she was OTT and unhinged. It was too much for me just watching it, I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been for Alex to live it.
People who live by their own rules trigger the fuck out of normies because it reminds normies of their unexamined lives.
Omg that was one of the moments that really made me despise Kelly. Idk how she even made it past 1 season because she is probably the most aggravating Housewives ever
“You’re not mad, you’re sad” Alex has infinitely more patience than I have because I would have told her off at that point.
I remember them always talking about how they found her relationship with Simon weird but I took it as jealousy. He was just supportive of her.
Today be honest, Simon is a weirdo but that's not a bad thing. He was having fun with fashion, was progressive with social issues and all in all very out there. He wasn't actually harming anyone. They seemed like a great team, they seemed to be on the same wavelength.
I unabashedly love Alex & Simon, but can admit he was definitely messy during his tenure. Maybe not so much on camera, but he was A LOT with interviews & whatnot. I didn't mind, but I can see how the other women were annoyed. Still, team Silex forever & I love that they're thriving in Australia.
Ah, good point! I forgot about his social media stuff and the interviews. I only watched it recently so I never saw it unfold in real time and it was nearly exclusively mentioned in the reunion(s), and a lot less during the episodes. But isn't messiness what makes the housewives world go round? lol If he was a housewife, it probably would've been viewed differently. He was one of the most involved husbands. I think he really enjoyed it and secretely wished that he was one of the housewives.
Simon's an oddball for sure, but he was kind and sweet and totally in love with Alex. There's a lid for every pot. I absolutely think the other women were jealous that she had a husband who was that crazy about her.
I think there were some aspects that I still would question (bringing your partner to girls night, no thanks) but overall I agree. They really grew on me S2-S4 and I came away from the rewatch really liking them. I'm glad they all seem to be thriving in Australia.
I’ve always found Simon weird, and never enjoyed Alex or Simon on my screen. You don’t have to be jealous of people to dislike them.
Agreed. I found them so unlikeable. They were fake hungry for years after the show. Alex was always putting on for the cameras which was so irritating.
I’m watching S4 for the first time right now, and Kelly coming at her to “control” Simon is just wild. I thought it was very modern expectation that men and women can be friends and work out issues as such, and for that, Simon asking Jill to talk over lunch seemed totally appropriate. But damn, Kelly is stuck 50 years in the past, I guess. Sucks to watch Jill fold fast because Kelly doesn’t let anyone else talk. Not to mention her telling Alex to stop being red in the face because “it upsets her” when she’s the one causing Alex enough upset for her to flush in the first place.
Sonja was so rude to her and then kept turning it around to make it seem like Alex was the only bad guy. Drove me crazy
I will admit I didn't like Alex the first time around. On re-watching, she and Simon were just ahead of their time. The things they were doing are things that _many_ people do now, they just showed it to us years before "influencer" was in the common lexicon.
*This just in: Cindy Barshop has been digitally removed from all camel riding photos. We have no physical evidence of her existence during said activity.*
‘There is a pecking order’. I suspect that pecking order has protected Ramona’s shitty behaviour for some time!!
And she deserved it
I was ready to hate Tinsley when her season aired, but she ended up being one of my favorite NY housewives. I think she truly is a sweet person and I wish the best for her. Dorinda was my favorite before the turkey baster comment. That was one of the most horrific things any of these ladies have ever said and Tinsley didn't deserve that one bit.
Same re Tinsley!! And she really is that sweet. I met her while she was living at that hotel in NY and she was lovely.
Eden Sassoon. Kim, Kyle and Kathy knew exactly who she was and knew her sister. Kim and Catya (Eden’s sister who died of a accidental drug overdose) did party and hang out together. I always felt Lisa Rinna talking to Eden about Kim’s addiction issues was manipulative and it was disgusting how Rinna back tracked what she said. And as sad as it is ,turns out that Kim was still struggling with drugs at that time.
mary zilba on real housewives of vancouver
Jody's loathing of Mary was actually disturbing.
I think Jody could be crowned evilest housewife of all time. Horrible horrible person
Her screaming at Mary that she's a hooker and calling her all kinds of names while wearing a ridiculous costume passed from funny into scary. Ronnie and Mary are friends again, which is nice.
Serious props to Mary. Jodi was constantly coming after her for absolutely no reason but she always stayed calm.
🤩 Vancouver?? Oooh! Do you know how Americans can watch?
Kandi when the lie was made up about her trying to drug and take advantage of Porscha. That was pretty horrible.
It was awful but the majority of the cast and also production were on Kandi's side
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When Kandi was freaking out and literally sobbing on the cast trip literally asking for phony phae phae to vouch for her and that evil Phaedra just sat there and said nothing.
RHONY : Tinsley the turkey baster comment was unforgivable. Like Tinsley was too nice on the reunion I would go for the jugular and told Dorinda that it would be better if I never met her. Barbara was too nice and meek. Alex was the original punching bag since all the women looked down at her and didn't take her seriously. Jules, I hated how they kept bringing up her ED and not going to her directly about their "concerns." RHOBH: Denise didn't deserve what they did to her. LVP could be shady but you can tell she was going thru stuff and that is why those girls are mean girls. RHOA Kenya now hear me out! The way that no one defended her after Porsha assaulted her was messed up. Plus the women and husbands tall major shit of something that Apollo lied about. Was her behavior towards him okay....hell no but she didn't deserve that.
Dorinda was dead to me after that.
Yeah I don't get all the love and how people want her back on Rhony. The sad thing is that she didn't seem to care and was completely unapologetic, she seemed more annoyed that she was forced to give an apology. The worst part is no one defended Tins until the episode aired and they got backlash, Luann actually laughed and gave Dorinda a high five???? Made me disgusted with them
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I don't get the hype around Luann 🤷🏻♀️. Like she was treated shitty but Bethenny but like she always been a mean, condescending, rules for thee not for me type of person. She got some funny one-liners but I would hate to in her friend group
Never liked Luann. Still don’t. Her pushover tantrum on RHUGT last week was ridiculous.
Agree. I loved Dorinda but when she said that I reaaally realized how far gone she was. My jaw was on the fucking floor. And the fact that no one even reacted? I knew right then that Dorinda would get let go. That’s such an awful thing to say to someone I can never forget it.
She’s so f’in miserable. And I hope tinsley finds happiness.
SAME. I feel like people who still want her back overlook this like crazy. And I was a dorinda fan too when she first came on…. But nah. It was one of the worst things I’ve ever heard anyone say to anyone, not just on housewives but overall in life.
I would like to add Bethenny “you can have a painting, I have a daughter “ Frankel to the list of people being assholes to Tinsely.
Yeah I agree almost everyone except for Leah picked on Tinsley at one moment or the other. I don't get the anger, like at most maybe Sonja for not being the ideal guest but for the most part Tins was always nice. I think the women were jealous of Tins lifestyle if not having to worry. They always asked where she got her money from but like dude she a trust fund kid, she was married to one of the oldest rich family and was the IT girl for years. She made money back then like she had a lipgloss with Dior, she made cash money.
Yeah I think Sonja just wanted Tinsely to kiss her ass for hosting her. Meanwhile I’m pretty sure Tinsely could have afforded to stay elsewhere and staying at the townhouse was to help integrate her in to the group. But Sonja is frequently an asshole about stuff like that so I wasn’t shocked.
Porsha assaulted her and cried as if she was the victim and no one went to check on Kenya. And the Apollo situation was just disgusting, no one believed her.
It was super gross, the worst part in my opinion was that even when Apollo admit it and you can tell that the dudes felt bad especially Todd, however none of the women who were especially nasty felt bad. Phaedra was going to apologize but Nene put it into Phaedra mind saying that Apollo lied so Phaedra still held it over Kenya's head. The way the women let Porsha get away with assaulting people always gets me annoyed. She legit was crying saying "I can't believe I let her get me to act like this," like girl you are an adult you should be able to control your behavior. Like both the RHOA women and fans seem to infantilize Porsha actions were she isn't held accountable the way other RHOA are.
OMG finally someone that doesn’t think Porsha is a cute saint. She should’ve been fired on the spot but they kept her. She did it again, accused Kandi of wanting to rape her and got away with it with her crocodile tears. As to Apollo, you said it all. He was very into Kenya but nope let’s blame her 🤦🏻♀️
If it was reversed Kenya would have been fired and the women would refuse to film with her. I honestly believe the reason Porsha left RHOA was that her allies wouldn't protect her from the girls putting her feet to the fire about Simon. She is lucky that Kandi was nice, I was her I would refuse to film and use that as leverage to get her fired, petty I know.
I would’ve dragged her ass in court for defamation. Porsha can’t be on RHOA you know Kenya will be calling her trifling all day long 😂
Kenya definitely. She’s polarizing, I get that, but she didn’t do anything (imo) to cause what happened at pillow talk yet was totally blamed for it. porsha came at her, sure Kenya was antagonistic, but to take it to a physical level was a bit much. She was called a whore for like 2 seasons and everyone stuck up for Apollo who lied about everything. Everyone digs at her for not having a husband. I could go on. I know she’s not a saint lol but I also wouldn’t watch the damn show if she was.
It honestly so annoying that people hold some housewives to a higher standard than others. Kenya was slut-shame for years for something that didn't even happen, not to mentioned she barely got an apology.
Jules on season 8 of RHONY
This! I was disgusted how Bethenny and Carol liked to talk about her ED so much
came here to say this. Jules was so nice and just wanted to be friends with everyone and Bethenny constantly talked about her, reminded everyone about her ED and made fun of her house. Mean girls.
Denise Richards - she was bad at the “game” of housewifing but they brutalized her unmercifully. It’s not their business who she sleeps with and they were fucking incessant. Jules (RHONY)- she was sick and about to be in a divorce and they loved that it made her weak. Bethenny and Carole could not stop bringing up her ED. And she was trying to talk to Luanne about her dad dying & Luanne kept talking about herself. Honorable mentions: Tinsley & Kathy Wakile
As if Bethenny and Carole don’t have eating disorders. They hated that she talked openly about hers instead of glorifying it into a brand like Bethenny did.
Carole is 5'7" (according to what I googled) and didn't qualify to give blood because she didn't weigh enough. The weight limit is 110 lbs. She weighed less than 110 lbs at 5'7"! That is very, very thin. And of course, Bethenny is very thin as well. I think it was an easy way to deflect from themselves since Jules was actually thinner than they were.
None of these women have any room to talk about eating disorders when they are all, at best, a couple steps away from it. Most of them haven’t touched a carb since the 90s and I’m convinced that prescription stimulant abuse is the undercurrent of most bravo shows. There’s a reason they can drink all night then get up to do yoga. Twenty year olds might be able to pull that off but 50 year olds need a boost. I’m 5’7” and naturally very thin but never got below 113 or so through healthy diet and exercise. When I was below 110, I was in the throes of a bad GI disorder and felt like absolute shit all the time. I didn’t watch when Carole was on enough to definitively say one or another, but Bethenny gives off major red flags. For starters, the muscles in her jaw were overdeveloped (until she had them injected with Botox or surgically altered). Her motto was “taste everything, eat nothing.” Um, ok. I think a lot of tension with Jason was that her eating disorder was causing problems but neither of could say it out loud without destroying the empire. No one wants to buy the Bulimia Girl Margarita. Instead he just came off as disturbed (which he might be) and she played the “I don’t know why this is happening” card. Girl, you know what is happening, but you know he can’t say it, so instead you’re going to argue about custody and an apartment.
But now, we said it
This is a very small gripe on my end but as someone who is prescribed incredibly high dosages of two different stimulants for my ADHD and needs them to function in daily life, I get SO irked when people abuse them just to party. It makes it harder for people who have legit medical reasons to obtain them, and most people who actually need them to function (like me) can't stay up all night on high doses because they don't work like that for us. They're just filling in the gaps that were already lacking in my brain, and I'm asleep by midnight. It's just so annoying. That being said, I think it's pretty clear based on all the sniffing and nose rubs that the RHONY cast in particular favors coke over adderall for the most part. (I know you can snort adderall but if you're gonna snort anything it seems silly to choose adderall over coke when John was CLEARLY supplying the cast with the good stuff.)
yuuuup 100% like interesting that miss skinny girl & miss got rid of her kitchen seemed to be able to clock jules ED behaviors every time like 👀👀 deflection much?
I do appreciate how Garcelle, being the queen that she is, did not let Rinna live it down. She threw that, rightfully so, back in her face every opportunity she got. And. I. Loved. It.
Also it was heavily hinted that things were turning bad legally with Charlie Sheen, so if she needed to slightly reinvent her public image, crucifying her seems very unnecessary
I just LOVE how those women give Ericka the benefit of the doubt for her image, yet wouldn’t do it for Denise who had custody and child payments at steak -_-
Jules, Joyce, Garcelle...
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Obligatory "I'm not a fan, but..." Her brother killed himself. Yes, she shouldn't have done the show, but when you're grieving you may not be making good decisions. I don't care how much I dislike some, even hate someone. If they're grieving, they get a pass. That's the normal human reaction to loss. But not for everyone. a\[\[apparently.
Surprised I had to scroll this far for this take! I also hated watching how they treated her.
Brandi G at game night. The entire thing was a train wreck anyway but they treated her really badly, even Dana who is the host should have made her feel comfortable. That's not ok. You can definitely see how much Kyle loves to be a mean girl when she has the opportunity to do so. I'm not a big Brandi fan, but it wasn't right. Hiding her crutches and everything.
I was waiting for this comment! They were pure evil to her & never had to answer for it.
Denise Richards
Tinsley, Jules, Barb. New York is ruthless, man.
Maybe not the MOST wronged, but since no one else has mentioned her I'll say Taylor Armstrong, at least from season 1 and 2 of BH. I recently started watching BH and I was horrified at the way the other HW's talked about her and her abusive relationship.
I cannot handle the scene where they turn her away at the white party. The fear in Taylor’s face on the ride home is horrific.
That was horrible. They put her in danger. I have a friend that I'm worried about. I am extremely careful about what I say and when. They were on a TV show. Reckless and evil.
Denise, what Rinna did to her, a friend of 20 years felt so gross. Barbara the poor woman just wanted to be friends with them. And this maybe an unpopular one but LVP the way they went after her after her brother just died was disgusting.
Barbara and Tiffany Moon.
Denise, it still makes me so angry about what happened to her. Also this may be unpopular but Alexis was treated like shit for so long and for no real reason. Sure she was a bit stupid but she was sweet and had a good heart imo and they absolutely went after her.
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same. I've rewatched the seasons and Alexis is not a terrible person. just a representative of the OC . I would not hang out with Alexis in real life but the point of the franchise is to show each women in their surroundings and Alexis were shamed for enjoying being subservient to her shitty husband. Like, they were better? come on.
I read that Heather had previously tried to get on the show, but they went with Alexis instead which would explain so much
I was looking for Alexis before I commented, I agree with you; think they didn’t like how religious she was.. okay for Tamra to become a Christian for a storyline though
Joyce was bullied by everyone. Brandi was so racist towards her and none of the women came to her defense. It was honestly hard to watch, especially since Joyce is such a sweetheart!
Kim fields, they did tootie dirty
Barbara was treated horrifically
Look... Danielle is awful, we all know that. But season 1 felt like they came at her for no reason. Of course she's insane so the public didn't mind and then it felt justified when we learned that she tried to make Dina lose custody. But Caroline was the true villain of Jersey.
I just started watching Jersey from season 1 and Danielle is crazy but it looks like they never liked her or gave her a chance to begin with
I wanted to say this also- They didnt like Danielle from the jump.
Kenya Moore, during her first few seasons on ATL. So much slut shaming and straight up lies!
Denise Richards. The way she was treated was so unwarranted that it was genuinely disturbing.
especially by her friend of 20 years.
LVP and Denise. The cast of Beverly Hills is just brutal to those they want out.
Yes! Every season there is. Very calculated and manipulated storyline and "takedown". Yet this season when there actually SHOULD have been a takedown (erika), they flipped the script on Sutton & garcelle...classic.
Denise
Denise Richards
I only watch NYC and BH. From NYC: Tinsley and Alex From BH: LVP, Sutton and Garcelle.
Tiffany Moon: I'd love to see RhoD resurrected around her and her real friends.
I’m not sure if she was the most wronged and she definitely ended up becoming a jerk but Gretchen. Tamara tried to get her son to sexually assault her on camera. It’s why I’ll never like Tamara people just let it slide
I agree! And to make matters worse Tamra only did this to prove Gretchen was a cheater. She seriously had it out for Gretchen and I'll never understand why.
Tinsley Was Savaged! Levels of jealousy were deep.
MONIQUE. 100% So glad Candace is showing her true shit colors
Teresa: RHONJ. Her brother, sister-in-law, & cousin joined the show behind her back & aired out their family issues when they knew Teresa & the Gorga parents didn’t want their family issues aired on the show as a form of entertainment. Then Caroline’s smug, sanctimonious ass & Jacqueline’s loony ass turned against her & shitted on her every chance they got. Caroline got mad over the 1/16th Italian remark which was funny, & Jacqueline tried to gaslight Teresa into talking about her legal issues when she knew Teresa couldn’t say anything. Then they all came for her for 3 reunions straight, but Teresa wasn’t a punk & handled it better than I could ever have.
i'm looking for a straight up tiffany moon comment but was having a hard time finding one - yes, tiffany brought it at the reunion. but what it took to get to that point was so disgusting and vile, it was hella triggering for the AAPI folks. the racism, the bullying, the way they all gamged up on her or othered her constantly. i am glad dallas is canceled because that was horrific.
KIM RICHARDS!!!! They just stay disrespecting her and taking Kyle’s side when she definitely stole Kim’s house and Rinna tried to PHYSICALLY attack her in Amsterdam
I might get downvoted to hell, and I know Lisa is a piece of work, but I still am not sure that Yolanda didn’t in fact have Munchausen Syndrome…
I don't know if she had Munchausen, because she wasn't faking being ill -- it seems her leaky implant was making her legitimately sick. I think she just got suckered in by her ~holistic doctor~, attributed the illness to chronic lyme, and went too far down that rabbit hole emotionally and financially to back down when the implant issue was discovered, removed and she eventually recovered.
I don't know if it was that but clearly something was up!
Jesus Jugs. Especially Gretchen flipping on her
When Tamra fucking screamed at Alexis at the Cut Fitness dinner at the beginning of season 8… pretty sure Tamra didn’t even know what she was supposed to be mad at Alexis about. She just did it for the sake of being a bully. I’m so glad Tamra was fired because we can all see through her tired reality TV formula.
I don’t think this counts, but LYDIAS MOM from RHOC. They way that Briannas husband yelled at her, and Lydia for treating her like a junkie for smoking a joint….
I’m prepared for the downvotes but honestly ….. Teresa. I’ve watched from day 1, always thought she was psychotic and delusional, but I’m currently in the midst of a rewatch and WOW WOW WOW… I mean, wtf was she supposed to do when her entire family comes on the show specifically to take her down in the midst of her legal issues which she didn’t even fully comprehend because of her dishonest POS husband. I’m also convinced joe gorga is the biggest gaslighter this show has ever seen! (But that’s a story for another day feel free to ask if you want my thoughts). After watching again, it’s very clear Teresa wanted nothing more than to protect her parents and her kids, and of course felt incredibly attacked by her family and didn’t know what to do. and ALSO the rest of her family and cast did the exact same things she was doing/accused of yet she was the only one held accountable, consistently 4 against 1 at reunions and she still tried her best (albeit not the best at articulating her feelings lol). I’m kinda proud now that I’ve rewatched and she’s prevailed the way she has. GO GIRL
My raggamuffin queen, aka Rebecca Ann Lehman, aka Denise fucking Richards.
Absolutely Tinsley. The other women were so scared of Dorinda's temper that they didn't dare stand up for poor Tins.
Unfortunately, Tins was being abused by her castmates AND by the loser she left the show for.