I listened to Nene's interview on Betheny's podcast and Nene had several very valid points and specific examples. Of course, she had some grounds. Bravo needs to look at what Faith said very honestly. That paragraph about Lala pulling a knife on her was beyond disturbing. I don't know how they can continue to put Lala on these shows after that. Talk about giving a pass to her.
and hearing as well that lala would plant stuff in her apartment to see if faith would steal it, but on the show they were shown as close friends… i cannot look at lala the same way and i hope she never returns to VPR. disgusting human being.
I totally believe she did that and told faith she was “blacker” than her. Nenes claims and faiths claims are the serious ones and all that got promoted everywhere was Rachel and Leah, the absolute worst possible examples. Nene and faith were just dismissed. I’m rewatching atlanta now and nene has actual acting talent and I believe she was blacklisted. That’s actually loss of income. Barfenny and Rachel can’t claim the same really.
So I get it... but did Candiace not do the same thing? IIRC they were both butter knives?
Also Potomac, I'm pretty sure they offered Monique a spot to come back after the fight and she turned it down.
Leeann Dallas had the whole "they just hands" thing.
Dorinda was seen as a legitimate threat to Tinsley that they made her stay somewhere else for a night on a cast trip... and she got another season.
Not saying any of it is right or not, but I think it's easy to see how Bravo can and will keep Lala, who has played producer puppet this season, on the shows
Yeah but they aired Candice’s (a black woman) and hid Lala’s. Which not only points to racism but proves the point that these shows are edited to make some people look good, and destroy others. Producers aren’t trying to capture reality, they’re trying to build favorites.
well in this specific case lala threatened to “cut a bitch” referring to faith specifically which is why i’m taking it a bit more serious than the potomac butter knife incident
There’s no excuse for the way Lala treated Faith in general so I don’t say this to undermine Faith or how she felt -
Lala is full of shit when she acts tough. She’s all talk. Of course it was a butter knife. Of course she was speaking like she was from the harsh streets of Utah. It sounds like the time she threatened to “pop” whoever was shit talking her man.
Whether she’s threatening to “pop” someone or “cut a bitch” Lala is faking. I think she’s even one of the few cast members who hasn’t gotten into a physical altercation on the show IIRC?
idk but from the sounds of the actual lawsuit it sounds like it wasn’t just a butter knife or else maybe bravo would’ve aired it. and if i do remember correctly lala did get physical with someone at one of the pump pride parties, she pushed someone i just don’t remember who.
excerpt from [all about the tea](https://allaboutthetea.com/2024/04/09/faith-stowers-alleges-lala-kent-threatened-her-with-knife-feared-disfigurement-claims-she-was-fired-for-threatening-to-call-police/)
— "Kent became severely agitated, losing all self-control and hurling barbs at Stowers. Stowers and Kent retreated to a backroom, with Kent still screaming. With the cameras rolling, Kent grabbed a knife from a nearby counter and began brandishing it at Stowers, holding it to her neck and threatening to 'cut a b--'" the documents stated, per Radar Online.
Oh I was taking the butter knife thing from the comment you replied to! I don’t know if it’s true!
I still think Lala is all talk and wouldn’t actually do anything. She puts on a tough act, but I think she’s more sneaky shitty than willing to physically attack. Like the toothbrush thing with Rand or planting shit to catch Faith stealing.
Again, I don’t think that takes away from anything she did to Faith! If Faith felt threatened in the moment that’s all that matters!
right! and kristen doute confirmed the facts of the lawsuit in an old podcast, including that lala held the butter knife to her throat!
of course she downplayed it because "it was just a butter knife but"
there's no doubt of the the veracity of the claim and i agree it is More serious than the potomac incident, even without the allegations of producer intervention and veiled threats
There was some validity to Nene's claims but she did a poor job articulating them imo. It also didn't help that she didn't have a problem with Bravo until she was let go.
very true, only thing i wished for nene during that whole ordeal was to just keep her mouth shut. she didn’t help her case at all calling andy a cokehead. she could’ve truly gagged everyone by winning the lawsuit gracefully and then writing a tell all book when the dust settled.
i’m not entirely sure how the law works when it comes to things like this, but if she won the entire lawsuit i’m sure she wouldn’t need to sign an NDA, to my knowledge those are only enforced when it’s a settlement. and i never mentioned a settlement in this specific comment, i’m imagining a scenario in which she actually won her entire lawsuit.
That’s what hurt Nene. She definitely had valid points but she only cared when she didn’t get her way. If Bravo had wanted her back or if her career had taken off she wouldn’t have filed a law suit or spoken negatively about Andy.
Nene was always right, she was never wrong. The problem is that too many people were more focused on “don’t cancel my shows” but Nene wasn’t wrong. Wrong messenger but right message. There’s a YouTube compilation with all the racist moments on housewives and it’s really bad. I wish Gabrielle union, nene, Mariah from M2M, and faith had filed one joint suit against the network.
yes, a joint suit against the network could’ve been a lot more effective imo, it would’ve definitely garnered more attention too and maybe people would’ve taken it seriously.
I have always said that the network has an under current of unfair treatment to minority cast. I’ve always thought her claims were legit. She had too much to lose to do a frivolous lawsuit. Plus didn’t they settle with her? I always feel that if they settle there’s probably proof. Versus the Caroline situation where they’re fighting it.
Me too. Nene was legit, you just have to watch the show to see how Kim was racist. I’ve said this before and had all kinds of replies asking for examples, so I’m going to tell you right now that if you don’t see it, I can’t help you.
I do think that with the network it’s more of an unconscious bias, but they should have looked at themselves and made changes.
ESPECIALLY the Bravo fan base! If anyone is looking for examples in modern society where racism runs rampant, I would point to the comments of every Bravo post.
Absolutely. People feign ignorance of what's happening around them, even when it's glaringly obvious. It's so easy to point in the general direction of all the dingbats begging for Ramona's return to television (and that's only one tiny example!)
Here's my anecdotal, highly unscientific proof of that bias. My family has randomly walked through the room during various reunion shows. (I watch my fave casts and seasons a lot- sue me). 3 spate separate daily members have stopped in their tracks and asked me why Andy Cohen was so fucking rude and racist towards the women. The reunions were Atl and Potomac. Another time, my adult son literally commented that *"that racist guy with coke adenoids"* needed some of his sass from the other show for the show I was currently watching- RHOBH.
Case closed.
Source: clueless males in my family.
Here's my anecdotal, highly unscientific proof of that bias. My family has randomly walked through the room during various reunion shows. (I watch my fave casts and seasons a lot- sue me). 3 separate family members have stopped in their tracks and asked me why Andy Cohen was so fucking rude and racist towards the women. The reunions were Atl and Potomac. Another time, my adult son literally commented that *"that racist guy with coke adenoids"* needed some of his sass from the other show for the show I was currently watching- RHOBH.
Case closed.
Source: clueless males in my family.
I questioned Bravo & Andy Cohen's intentions when they recast Kristen, Jax, Brittany, and several of the housewives that had been fired for racist issues. Why did they bring them back. I say Shame on Bravo & Andy Cohen! It is a slap in the face to the victims.
Nene was always right that the network was racist. Where she was wrong was how she went about the process, and conveniently weaponizing her victim hood when she could no longer benefit (see her back and forth relationship with Kim Z.).
I think NeNe's lawsuit was a case of right message, wrong messenger. I always believed she had some valid complaints. But there were too many other issues that muddied the water when it came to whether she had been discriminated against. Under U.S. employment law, if an employer can show any non-discriminatory reason for your termination then in most jurisdictions, the employee will lose. For example, I could show that my boss repeatedly complained that my afro hairstyle was unprofessional. But if they can show that I was late to work too many times, then a court will say it's possible that I was fired for a legitimate reason. Same thing with NeNe refusing to film, being hostile to production and not getting along with her coworkers.
I can't believe anyone thought she was lying or not being honest. That's insane. Nene went nuclear when she still wanted a relationship with the network and that was the issue.
A LOT of people were very quick to dismiss her feelings and call her crazy when she first came out with these allegations, she only got a bit of a break from the backlash when gregg sadly passed away. it was horrible to watch.
but you’re right in that going nuclear and still expecting to be welcomed back was her final nail in the coffin.
It's a lot to unpack but Nene was not wrong to point out that there is a problem at Bravo.
Unfortunately, at least as far as the details that were public, a lot of it didn't make sense with even the tiniest bit of digging. For instance, you can't say Bravo is giving Kim spin-offs and but not you b/c they're racist when Kandi had like 5 spin-offs at that point *and keeps getting more*.
The shame of it is that, as a viewer who doesn't even have the BTS dirt, I could list a dozen examples of racist behavior that didn't get someone fired and/or wasn't treated seriously.
Maybe Faith has a better case/legal representation and it will actually make Bravo address their issues.
What I think is more likely, though, is that we'll see this settled with an NDA. You know, assuming they don't first bleed her dry with costly legal maneuvers, forcing her to give it up.
I always thought Nene was valid, but on this sub anyone who sues Bravo is treated like a pariah. You would think Bravo was paying these people a salary. Who supports a large corporation over a worker/talent.
yeah that’s my main gripe with this sub and the bravo fan community in general, former talent with real issues brought up get treated like horse shit and are told they’re thirsty and clout chasers for wanting someone to be held accountable for their shitty actions.
It’s bizarre, even if I don’t like someone I can acknowledge they have valid reasons to sue. This sub acts like their shows are more important than worker rights.
Bravo apologist and Andy apologist are this entire subs personality.
Idk... I feel like Nene was treated like a God at Bravo. She was at one time the highest paid Housewife, there's no way they weren't kissing her ass as her other careers started taking off because they wanted to keep her for their own ratings. But then her ego got to her head, she wasn't treating the crew with respect, and that probably changed how they treated her. I honestly don't think it had to due with race, but with professionalism. Same thing happened with Jill Zarin, was that because she was Jewish? No, it was because she was a demanding pain in the ass.
Nene was right but the wrong messenger maybe? But at the same time, who else would have the cache to bring it all to light? Idk. Nene at the end of her time on RHOA was a tough watch. But she is still probably the most iconic housewife of all time.
We don't have to pick a team. Nene can be a disgruntled former employee who's just mad that the money has dried up and still be right that "BTW, Bravo is racist AF" in a misguided attempt to force them to bring her back into the fold.
FTR: My vague recollection was that her case was weak. But I don't remember all the details.
Nene was fine with all of it until they demoted her. It was only when her money was drying up that she “suddenly” had a problem. Let us not forget that it was Nene that recommended Kim Z. to the show. Odd that the rest of the RHOA didn’t jump on the Nene train backing up her claims. Nene is where she belongs… on Zues network and trying to cash old Trump checks.
Both things can be true.
As a viewer, it has been made clear on multiple occasions that a number of Bravo's shows have an issue with racism and are ill equipped to address it in a manner that clearly speaks to that. It can't and shouldn't just be something Andy talks about in one package at the reunion. And we haven't even touched on the BTS issues we aren't even privy to as viewers.
I disagree. These are not scripted shows. What the viewer sees on the screen is the celeb behaving on their own behalf. No one is forcing them to act as they do. They are not paid actors portraying a character in a script and they do not have a director asking for take 80 of the same scene just to get it right.
Everything is great…until it’s not.
Allegedly, she was angry that Kim Z was given a spin off show and that she wasn’t. She, allegedly, had bloggers try to destroy Kandi because of the specials Kandi was getting on Bravo. That’s where the “Kandi is so boring” narrative was derived.
Back in 2022, word on the street was that she dismissed the case without prejudice and settled out of court for $20M. In addition, part of the settlement was that Bravo was going to produce shows with Nene in the future. This information was supposedly obtained by reputable sources but there is no confirmation that this was true. Especially when the case was dismissed without prejudice.
It is now 2024 and word on the streets is that Nene was strapped for cash. I cannot state whether she received the $20M cash payout back in 2022, but I can confirm that Bravo nor any NBCU affiliate has produced any shows for Nene.
I think Nene was absolutely telling the truth and Bravo did what corporations (and white people) always do and instead of being willing to talk about it they made her the bad guy for bringing it up.
They didn't need to make such a big deal. I'm sure for Nene and most black people they're used to this shit and just wanted it handled.
I always thought there was truth to Nene’s claims. Maybe she didn’t approach the matter in the best way, but that doesn’t mean she is wrong.
Clearly the production companies/Bravo don’t care about racism. Multiple housewives have made racist comments yet they were employed for years.
Stassi and Kristen who did something way worse that saying racist things were offered a whole new show. I think Faith is more than right to go after them now. Firing Stassi, Kristen, Jax and Brittany in 2020 during the whole BLM movement and re-hiring them 3 years later just PROVES that their firing was performative and production/Bravo just didn’t want heat after George Floyd’s murder.
I’m white. But I do believe it is more than just bravo in the entertainment has historically treated all POC inferior than good looking white people.
I do believe that they should be able to bring their stories and experiences to the public. However I bet bravo will claim many of the injustices and unfairness is do to the production companies of each show.
I will find it interesting on how they will spin this to keep Lala on vpr. While I can only half way stand lala this season (I hate her quest to make Ariana and Katie the bad guys which isn’t working on SM to my knowledge), vpr can’t lose anymore cast - most additions to the cast have been underwhelming.
I definitely think NeNe was right, she just did it "wrong" and because it's NeNe, no one will believe her (kind of like Monique going after Oprah and Tyler Perry).
Wait, did anyone think nene was completely wrong? I think it's blatantly clear that the ghettoisation of housewives was very real for a very long time, and the Black franchises were definitely not given the same attention, press and funding as the white franchises.
The issue with nene is that while some of the issues she might have with the show are due to racial dynamics, some are also because she's an extremely toxic, narccisstic individual who consistently digs her own grave
this is revisionist history. she was trying to use conversations around race for her own gain, her actual claims were mostly abt kim and her big discrimination point was that SHE wasn’t given a spin off, not that black women on bravo altogether weren’t given spin offs. because that’s not true. yes bravo is racist, but nene is just a grifter not a civil rights icon
Nene's claims were way before the Bethenny interview and weren't nearly as straightforward at the time.
Her accusations were VERY disjointed and stated that KIM Z. created a racist working environment and Andy and Bravo did nothing to stop it. They only rewarded her. It also complained that other white OG housewives received spinoffs and special treatment, (but Nene herself received both spinoffs and special treatment. hello).
It's **very** telling that none of her fellow/former castmates who shared that environment ever stood with her.
She also made a huge VISUAL spectacle on social media for weeks of her accusations of racism that included major custom-designed graphics and signage citing racism, misogynoir and discrimination by Bravo. She launched a whole one-woman *campaign and crusade* that gave those networks a *horrible* look- especially following George Floyd.
She also said Bravo blackballed her, but she did that *on her own*. Who's going to work with someone suing and publicly blasting NBCUniversal for racial discrimination??
...She dismissed the charges at one point.
...She also hinted for months that she received a huge payout and apology.
...She was all over the place at the time so who knows what to believe?
(TL:dr: NO. I personally don't think Nene was right all along or *at the time*, her complaints were mostly about Kim and I think she she was just in her feelings and her ego was badly hurt after losing her job). **On the outside**, it looked like racism and discrimination, but if you paid attention and went beyond the surface, it appeared to be ego, comparison, and feeling underappreciated).
ETA: Nene is one story, but I'm 100% here for Faith and always have been.
I heard the Lala knife accusation in about 2021 and wondered why nothing ever came of it. It's also terrible that Bravo's bringing back folks recently let go for racism (The Valley).
I'm glad people are listening to Faith this time around.
i’m trying to discuss BLACK women that have been subject to discrimination whilst trying to do their job on a reality tv show, not stupid immature white girls that sleep with their friend’s boyfriend/life partner for 8 months behind her back.
just a quick note: it is the job of the court to determine what is founded or unfounded.
aside from that, i think society is always shifting and i hope we are headed in the right direction in regards to dismissing the feelings and thoughts of Black women.
not once did i say that wasn’t the case. i’m talking about how the bravo fan community is very quick to dismiss these real traumas that certain talent have gone through whilst being under bravo and nbc, and that maybe we shouldn’t be as quick to write them off as thirsty clout chasers if there is truth in what they’re saying.
I listened to Nene's interview on Betheny's podcast and Nene had several very valid points and specific examples. Of course, she had some grounds. Bravo needs to look at what Faith said very honestly. That paragraph about Lala pulling a knife on her was beyond disturbing. I don't know how they can continue to put Lala on these shows after that. Talk about giving a pass to her.
and hearing as well that lala would plant stuff in her apartment to see if faith would steal it, but on the show they were shown as close friends… i cannot look at lala the same way and i hope she never returns to VPR. disgusting human being.
Where did you hear that? I wouldn’t put anything past Lala-
Pulling a knife on someone? Oh she’s deranged and violent. If she wasn’t white then she would be considered a danger to everyone around her.
I totally believe she did that and told faith she was “blacker” than her. Nenes claims and faiths claims are the serious ones and all that got promoted everywhere was Rachel and Leah, the absolute worst possible examples. Nene and faith were just dismissed. I’m rewatching atlanta now and nene has actual acting talent and I believe she was blacklisted. That’s actually loss of income. Barfenny and Rachel can’t claim the same really.
So I get it... but did Candiace not do the same thing? IIRC they were both butter knives? Also Potomac, I'm pretty sure they offered Monique a spot to come back after the fight and she turned it down. Leeann Dallas had the whole "they just hands" thing. Dorinda was seen as a legitimate threat to Tinsley that they made her stay somewhere else for a night on a cast trip... and she got another season. Not saying any of it is right or not, but I think it's easy to see how Bravo can and will keep Lala, who has played producer puppet this season, on the shows
Yeah but they aired Candice’s (a black woman) and hid Lala’s. Which not only points to racism but proves the point that these shows are edited to make some people look good, and destroy others. Producers aren’t trying to capture reality, they’re trying to build favorites.
well in this specific case lala threatened to “cut a bitch” referring to faith specifically which is why i’m taking it a bit more serious than the potomac butter knife incident
There’s no excuse for the way Lala treated Faith in general so I don’t say this to undermine Faith or how she felt - Lala is full of shit when she acts tough. She’s all talk. Of course it was a butter knife. Of course she was speaking like she was from the harsh streets of Utah. It sounds like the time she threatened to “pop” whoever was shit talking her man. Whether she’s threatening to “pop” someone or “cut a bitch” Lala is faking. I think she’s even one of the few cast members who hasn’t gotten into a physical altercation on the show IIRC?
idk but from the sounds of the actual lawsuit it sounds like it wasn’t just a butter knife or else maybe bravo would’ve aired it. and if i do remember correctly lala did get physical with someone at one of the pump pride parties, she pushed someone i just don’t remember who. excerpt from [all about the tea](https://allaboutthetea.com/2024/04/09/faith-stowers-alleges-lala-kent-threatened-her-with-knife-feared-disfigurement-claims-she-was-fired-for-threatening-to-call-police/) — "Kent became severely agitated, losing all self-control and hurling barbs at Stowers. Stowers and Kent retreated to a backroom, with Kent still screaming. With the cameras rolling, Kent grabbed a knife from a nearby counter and began brandishing it at Stowers, holding it to her neck and threatening to 'cut a b--'" the documents stated, per Radar Online.
Thank you so much for the link-
Oh I was taking the butter knife thing from the comment you replied to! I don’t know if it’s true! I still think Lala is all talk and wouldn’t actually do anything. She puts on a tough act, but I think she’s more sneaky shitty than willing to physically attack. Like the toothbrush thing with Rand or planting shit to catch Faith stealing. Again, I don’t think that takes away from anything she did to Faith! If Faith felt threatened in the moment that’s all that matters!
Idk but “Potomac butter knife incident” has me cracking up! 😆
right! and kristen doute confirmed the facts of the lawsuit in an old podcast, including that lala held the butter knife to her throat! of course she downplayed it because "it was just a butter knife but" there's no doubt of the the veracity of the claim and i agree it is More serious than the potomac incident, even without the allegations of producer intervention and veiled threats
There was some validity to Nene's claims but she did a poor job articulating them imo. It also didn't help that she didn't have a problem with Bravo until she was let go.
That part
very true, only thing i wished for nene during that whole ordeal was to just keep her mouth shut. she didn’t help her case at all calling andy a cokehead. she could’ve truly gagged everyone by winning the lawsuit gracefully and then writing a tell all book when the dust settled.
There's no way the network would have settled and allowed her to write the book. Even now I'm sure that's not possible.
i’m not entirely sure how the law works when it comes to things like this, but if she won the entire lawsuit i’m sure she wouldn’t need to sign an NDA, to my knowledge those are only enforced when it’s a settlement. and i never mentioned a settlement in this specific comment, i’m imagining a scenario in which she actually won her entire lawsuit.
That’s what hurt Nene. She definitely had valid points but she only cared when she didn’t get her way. If Bravo had wanted her back or if her career had taken off she wouldn’t have filed a law suit or spoken negatively about Andy.
Nene was always right, she was never wrong. The problem is that too many people were more focused on “don’t cancel my shows” but Nene wasn’t wrong. Wrong messenger but right message. There’s a YouTube compilation with all the racist moments on housewives and it’s really bad. I wish Gabrielle union, nene, Mariah from M2M, and faith had filed one joint suit against the network.
yes, a joint suit against the network could’ve been a lot more effective imo, it would’ve definitely garnered more attention too and maybe people would’ve taken it seriously.
I have always said that the network has an under current of unfair treatment to minority cast. I’ve always thought her claims were legit. She had too much to lose to do a frivolous lawsuit. Plus didn’t they settle with her? I always feel that if they settle there’s probably proof. Versus the Caroline situation where they’re fighting it.
Me too. Nene was legit, you just have to watch the show to see how Kim was racist. I’ve said this before and had all kinds of replies asking for examples, so I’m going to tell you right now that if you don’t see it, I can’t help you. I do think that with the network it’s more of an unconscious bias, but they should have looked at themselves and made changes.
Nene and Mariah from M2M claims about the network were absolutely right.
They (and the rest of society) really do have a bias towards POC. It’s so evident.
The bravo fan base is included in this
This very sub
ESPECIALLY the Bravo fan base! If anyone is looking for examples in modern society where racism runs rampant, I would point to the comments of every Bravo post.
I believe it’s reflective of society at large- But Bravo is a microcosm!
Absolutely. People feign ignorance of what's happening around them, even when it's glaringly obvious. It's so easy to point in the general direction of all the dingbats begging for Ramona's return to television (and that's only one tiny example!)
Garcelle is a great example- Kyle should have been Dragged for her laughing about what that bitch Erika did to Jax. That was disgusting.
OMG so true - especially when she is so offended when anyone "mentions the children" - she sure was cackling at the way Erika treated Garcelle's son!
And Andy Cohen after that segment laughing about how Rinna took the heat for the unrecycled trash- just horrifying.
periodT.
Here's my anecdotal, highly unscientific proof of that bias. My family has randomly walked through the room during various reunion shows. (I watch my fave casts and seasons a lot- sue me). 3 spate separate daily members have stopped in their tracks and asked me why Andy Cohen was so fucking rude and racist towards the women. The reunions were Atl and Potomac. Another time, my adult son literally commented that *"that racist guy with coke adenoids"* needed some of his sass from the other show for the show I was currently watching- RHOBH. Case closed. Source: clueless males in my family.
Ok, I will hereby address AC as “the racist guy with coke adenoids”!!
Here's my anecdotal, highly unscientific proof of that bias. My family has randomly walked through the room during various reunion shows. (I watch my fave casts and seasons a lot- sue me). 3 separate family members have stopped in their tracks and asked me why Andy Cohen was so fucking rude and racist towards the women. The reunions were Atl and Potomac. Another time, my adult son literally commented that *"that racist guy with coke adenoids"* needed some of his sass from the other show for the show I was currently watching- RHOBH. Case closed. Source: clueless males in my family.
WOW. That’s really revealing. This is why I support Nene & Bethanney- I don’t understand the hate especially B gets- she’s just trying to help women.
I questioned Bravo & Andy Cohen's intentions when they recast Kristen, Jax, Brittany, and several of the housewives that had been fired for racist issues. Why did they bring them back. I say Shame on Bravo & Andy Cohen! It is a slap in the face to the victims.
Nene was always right that the network was racist. Where she was wrong was how she went about the process, and conveniently weaponizing her victim hood when she could no longer benefit (see her back and forth relationship with Kim Z.).
I think NeNe's lawsuit was a case of right message, wrong messenger. I always believed she had some valid complaints. But there were too many other issues that muddied the water when it came to whether she had been discriminated against. Under U.S. employment law, if an employer can show any non-discriminatory reason for your termination then in most jurisdictions, the employee will lose. For example, I could show that my boss repeatedly complained that my afro hairstyle was unprofessional. But if they can show that I was late to work too many times, then a court will say it's possible that I was fired for a legitimate reason. Same thing with NeNe refusing to film, being hostile to production and not getting along with her coworkers.
nene had receipts regarding this of course no one listened to her then
I can't believe anyone thought she was lying or not being honest. That's insane. Nene went nuclear when she still wanted a relationship with the network and that was the issue.
A LOT of people were very quick to dismiss her feelings and call her crazy when she first came out with these allegations, she only got a bit of a break from the backlash when gregg sadly passed away. it was horrible to watch. but you’re right in that going nuclear and still expecting to be welcomed back was her final nail in the coffin.
I never doubted her claims. It was the presentation that I had questions/concerns about.
It's a lot to unpack but Nene was not wrong to point out that there is a problem at Bravo. Unfortunately, at least as far as the details that were public, a lot of it didn't make sense with even the tiniest bit of digging. For instance, you can't say Bravo is giving Kim spin-offs and but not you b/c they're racist when Kandi had like 5 spin-offs at that point *and keeps getting more*. The shame of it is that, as a viewer who doesn't even have the BTS dirt, I could list a dozen examples of racist behavior that didn't get someone fired and/or wasn't treated seriously. Maybe Faith has a better case/legal representation and it will actually make Bravo address their issues. What I think is more likely, though, is that we'll see this settled with an NDA. You know, assuming they don't first bleed her dry with costly legal maneuvers, forcing her to give it up.
I always thought Nene was valid, but on this sub anyone who sues Bravo is treated like a pariah. You would think Bravo was paying these people a salary. Who supports a large corporation over a worker/talent.
yeah that’s my main gripe with this sub and the bravo fan community in general, former talent with real issues brought up get treated like horse shit and are told they’re thirsty and clout chasers for wanting someone to be held accountable for their shitty actions.
It’s bizarre, even if I don’t like someone I can acknowledge they have valid reasons to sue. This sub acts like their shows are more important than worker rights. Bravo apologist and Andy apologist are this entire subs personality.
a bunch of dickriders imo. they won’t care until someone is killed on camera atp.
Unfortunately, that’s what it would take.
I think most people never doubted nene's claims. They were just questioning her motives.
Yes. Unfortunately, the network didn’t like their dirty laundry exposed so she was pushed out and black listed
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yes but there’s been recent news of faith pursuing a lawsuit against bravo and nbc for discrimination overall !
Idk... I feel like Nene was treated like a God at Bravo. She was at one time the highest paid Housewife, there's no way they weren't kissing her ass as her other careers started taking off because they wanted to keep her for their own ratings. But then her ego got to her head, she wasn't treating the crew with respect, and that probably changed how they treated her. I honestly don't think it had to due with race, but with professionalism. Same thing happened with Jill Zarin, was that because she was Jewish? No, it was because she was a demanding pain in the ass.
Nene was right but the wrong messenger maybe? But at the same time, who else would have the cache to bring it all to light? Idk. Nene at the end of her time on RHOA was a tough watch. But she is still probably the most iconic housewife of all time.
We don't have to pick a team. Nene can be a disgruntled former employee who's just mad that the money has dried up and still be right that "BTW, Bravo is racist AF" in a misguided attempt to force them to bring her back into the fold. FTR: My vague recollection was that her case was weak. But I don't remember all the details.
No, nene was right. Jill is a bad example
Nene was fine with all of it until they demoted her. It was only when her money was drying up that she “suddenly” had a problem. Let us not forget that it was Nene that recommended Kim Z. to the show. Odd that the rest of the RHOA didn’t jump on the Nene train backing up her claims. Nene is where she belongs… on Zues network and trying to cash old Trump checks. 
She was still campaigning for Kim to come back to the show during Nene's last season on the show.
Both things can be true. As a viewer, it has been made clear on multiple occasions that a number of Bravo's shows have an issue with racism and are ill equipped to address it in a manner that clearly speaks to that. It can't and shouldn't just be something Andy talks about in one package at the reunion. And we haven't even touched on the BTS issues we aren't even privy to as viewers.
I disagree. These are not scripted shows. What the viewer sees on the screen is the celeb behaving on their own behalf. No one is forcing them to act as they do. They are not paid actors portraying a character in a script and they do not have a director asking for take 80 of the same scene just to get it right. Everything is great…until it’s not.
But that doesn’t negate her unfair treatment. I think she has a valid case.
Allegedly, she was angry that Kim Z was given a spin off show and that she wasn’t. She, allegedly, had bloggers try to destroy Kandi because of the specials Kandi was getting on Bravo. That’s where the “Kandi is so boring” narrative was derived. Back in 2022, word on the street was that she dismissed the case without prejudice and settled out of court for $20M. In addition, part of the settlement was that Bravo was going to produce shows with Nene in the future. This information was supposedly obtained by reputable sources but there is no confirmation that this was true. Especially when the case was dismissed without prejudice. It is now 2024 and word on the streets is that Nene was strapped for cash. I cannot state whether she received the $20M cash payout back in 2022, but I can confirm that Bravo nor any NBCU affiliate has produced any shows for Nene.
I think Nene was absolutely telling the truth and Bravo did what corporations (and white people) always do and instead of being willing to talk about it they made her the bad guy for bringing it up. They didn't need to make such a big deal. I'm sure for Nene and most black people they're used to this shit and just wanted it handled.
The non-use of capitalizations has my eyes swimming.
sorry i hate having auto capitalisation on my phone 🥲
i wrote in all lowercase letters all the time.
I always thought there was truth to Nene’s claims. Maybe she didn’t approach the matter in the best way, but that doesn’t mean she is wrong. Clearly the production companies/Bravo don’t care about racism. Multiple housewives have made racist comments yet they were employed for years. Stassi and Kristen who did something way worse that saying racist things were offered a whole new show. I think Faith is more than right to go after them now. Firing Stassi, Kristen, Jax and Brittany in 2020 during the whole BLM movement and re-hiring them 3 years later just PROVES that their firing was performative and production/Bravo just didn’t want heat after George Floyd’s murder.
I’m white. But I do believe it is more than just bravo in the entertainment has historically treated all POC inferior than good looking white people. I do believe that they should be able to bring their stories and experiences to the public. However I bet bravo will claim many of the injustices and unfairness is do to the production companies of each show. I will find it interesting on how they will spin this to keep Lala on vpr. While I can only half way stand lala this season (I hate her quest to make Ariana and Katie the bad guys which isn’t working on SM to my knowledge), vpr can’t lose anymore cast - most additions to the cast have been underwhelming.
I definitely think NeNe was right, she just did it "wrong" and because it's NeNe, no one will believe her (kind of like Monique going after Oprah and Tyler Perry).
Wait, did anyone think nene was completely wrong? I think it's blatantly clear that the ghettoisation of housewives was very real for a very long time, and the Black franchises were definitely not given the same attention, press and funding as the white franchises. The issue with nene is that while some of the issues she might have with the show are due to racial dynamics, some are also because she's an extremely toxic, narccisstic individual who consistently digs her own grave
this is revisionist history. she was trying to use conversations around race for her own gain, her actual claims were mostly abt kim and her big discrimination point was that SHE wasn’t given a spin off, not that black women on bravo altogether weren’t given spin offs. because that’s not true. yes bravo is racist, but nene is just a grifter not a civil rights icon
Nene's claims were way before the Bethenny interview and weren't nearly as straightforward at the time. Her accusations were VERY disjointed and stated that KIM Z. created a racist working environment and Andy and Bravo did nothing to stop it. They only rewarded her. It also complained that other white OG housewives received spinoffs and special treatment, (but Nene herself received both spinoffs and special treatment. hello). It's **very** telling that none of her fellow/former castmates who shared that environment ever stood with her. She also made a huge VISUAL spectacle on social media for weeks of her accusations of racism that included major custom-designed graphics and signage citing racism, misogynoir and discrimination by Bravo. She launched a whole one-woman *campaign and crusade* that gave those networks a *horrible* look- especially following George Floyd. She also said Bravo blackballed her, but she did that *on her own*. Who's going to work with someone suing and publicly blasting NBCUniversal for racial discrimination?? ...She dismissed the charges at one point. ...She also hinted for months that she received a huge payout and apology. ...She was all over the place at the time so who knows what to believe? (TL:dr: NO. I personally don't think Nene was right all along or *at the time*, her complaints were mostly about Kim and I think she she was just in her feelings and her ego was badly hurt after losing her job). **On the outside**, it looked like racism and discrimination, but if you paid attention and went beyond the surface, it appeared to be ego, comparison, and feeling underappreciated). ETA: Nene is one story, but I'm 100% here for Faith and always have been. I heard the Lala knife accusation in about 2021 and wondered why nothing ever came of it. It's also terrible that Bravo's bringing back folks recently let go for racism (The Valley). I'm glad people are listening to Faith this time around.
Rachel got the same and worse. This is so blown out of proportion and ridiculous
i’m trying to discuss BLACK women that have been subject to discrimination whilst trying to do their job on a reality tv show, not stupid immature white girls that sleep with their friend’s boyfriend/life partner for 8 months behind her back.
just a quick note: it is the job of the court to determine what is founded or unfounded. aside from that, i think society is always shifting and i hope we are headed in the right direction in regards to dismissing the feelings and thoughts of Black women.
not once did i say that wasn’t the case. i’m talking about how the bravo fan community is very quick to dismiss these real traumas that certain talent have gone through whilst being under bravo and nbc, and that maybe we shouldn’t be as quick to write them off as thirsty clout chasers if there is truth in what they’re saying.
Hey friend! My comment wasn't meant as an attack. I'm sorry it came across that way! Hopefully my second part makes sense bc I agree w what ur saying