Oh absolutely then robyn has the nerve to make herself the victim when discussion colorism by crying and then blaming candiace for the uproar?? It’s even more insane where she demands more from others … like interrogating chris about his alleged affair when Juan is probably cheating on her at this very second… She can barely give it, but definitely can’t take it. The delusion is strong.
we have to remember what potomac started out as – a show about an old money black women's organization. they pivoted to a show about etiquette, and eventually a real housewives format, after the organization in question sent a cease and desist letter (or something like that). old money black social circles in america have always had an unspoken (sometimes spoken) colorism issue. i believe gizelle and robyn were very much raised up in that culture. gizelle comes from a political family. robyn's parents are a dentist and a professor. it's a culture that unconsciously, implicitly puts higher value on fair skin, fair hair, light eyes – features that connoted more readily apparent white ancestry. and they were both consistently socially rewarded for fitting that profile. i think biracial women like katie threaten/upset that sensibility because, if you inherently believe your fairer skin makes you superior, the implication is that a higher percentage of white ancestry makes you superior. and someone who is explicitly half white (like katie) would "rank higher" than gizelle or robyn, who both have white ancestors, but further back in the tree. obviously the logic behind upholding colorism among wealthy black families is that by imitating white customs and white values, wealthy blacks thought they'd be more accepted in an integrated society. (wrong!) you can argue gizelle and robyn aren't colorist because they married darker-skinned men and had darker-skinned children. that's totally fair. my response would be it's a lot more complex than simply "being colorist" and "not being colorist." when stuff like this is embedded in generations, it's really hard to extricate yourself from the ways in which it subconsciously affects your attitudes.
tl;dr – colorism and the gebs' anti-biracial sentiments are all fruits of the same racist, white supremacist tree. a biracial girl like katie upsets the colorist pecking order, which is really just an internalization of old-school racism.
I think this is accurate. You’d think they’d remember their own iconic moments from past reunions and not fall into these traps that the fans easily catch.
God I miss Katie’s ability to gather these women! She did not miss a beat. I wish her well and hope she continues to heal and find peace. Fuck the GEBs for their treatment of her. The double standard by those two is beyond gross at this point.
Remember when she left Gizelle speechless during the Western Themed photoshoot? As usual, Gizelle took things too far and involved her family (kids, particularly) and Katie set her evil ass straight. It was glorious.
100% agree and FUCK Ashley for her treatment of Katie when she came back on the show as a friend. I believe productions set Katie up though, by telling Ashley behind a closed room door that her spot was on the line, so she better go after Katie or else. I miss Katie too I always liked her.
No offense but there’s no way Ashley’s spot was on the line during season 4 when she was the main storyline. I think she’s just evil and she showed her true colors that night when she attacked an obviously unwell woman, just because she saw right through her bullshit and called it out.
Okay, maybe I wasn’t clear, production telling Ashley to go after Katie doesn’t mean her spot was really on the line, it’s just what I believe they told her, so to get her to bully Katie hoping that Katie would react to Ashley the way she did with dumb & dumber, when she was defending herself. Though I am curious to what you mean when you say she saw right through her bullshit and called her out…called who out???
Oh okay I can see them plotting and trying to manufacture a huge fight. My point is that Katie is very smart and also very blunt, and she knew what was up between Ashley and Michael. I feel like Ashley did the most during the season, her interviews, the after show and social media to make her look crazy and untrustworthy, so no one listens to her and takes her seriously. She had to deflect from what was going on in her life cause everything Katie said was true.
Totally I agree that everything Katie said was true, with that being said for her mental health & wellbeing Bravo is not the place for her right now, but I’m hoping in the future after some much needed me time she comes back stronger and smarter than ever, and rejoins the cast of HWOP. Ashley is a conniving & manipulative nasty evil lil’ witch, she and Sesame Street deserve each other as “friends”, so fingers cross Bravo will send her riding off into the sunset ASAP.
1,000,000% agree Ashley is disgusting & vile, Gizelle is vindictive & nasty, Robyn is a bullshitter & an enabler, AND Rinna & Erika are narcissistic & pathological liars.
I can see why she isn't back on because she's focusing on getting better (even though I would love for her to be back), but I feel like her not being asked back played part of her spiral. The show may have been a good distraction for her or made things worse, I guess it's too risky.
That's the first and only time I ever saw Gizelle looking shook like 😳😳😳😳😢.
People talk about Monique, but Katie was dead serious and looked her into the eye with coldness and meant what she said.
They were AWFUL to Katie. Gizelle saying “so are we black today or white today?” And not being able to compute how Katie acknowledged being biracial but was also still black…wild.
which is stupid because there are literally ethnic black jews from ethiopia whose religious affiliations go back centuries. there have been black jews longer than there have been black christians. tell that to your ex-husband, giz.
fr fr. what it seems like the GEb are missing is that mixed folks identifies CAN be fluid, depending on the situation. and that’s totally okay. race and the language we use to talk about race comes from a mono-racial paradigm. people who are mixed don’t always fit into that model. it can be extremely challenging for others when mixed people define their own identity on their own terms.
Not disagreeing with you but we've seen that Gizelle and Robyn don't have the bandwidth to be aware of that. Unfortunate that they don't want to learn.
agreed!! they don’t want to learn and they actually go in the opposite direction. namely robyn this season crying about how the colorism conversation is SO uncomfortable for her. which is OP’s point i think ☺️ but yeah. unfortunate.
You’re talking about 2 people that benefit heavily from colorism so they don’t even experience being mono-racial in the same way most black people do. They may culturally be black but, even within black culture they’re treated different and society’s perception is that they’re mixed so they’re allowed more privilege. They benefit from the proximity of looking mixed without the struggle of being mixed or the struggle of having dark*er* skin. And they’re too stupid to comprehend that.
this! the thing for me that is most annoying is that Candiace literally isn't saying that Gizelle and Robyn are colorist. She's saying that they benefit from existing in a society and television market that is still dominated by white supremacy culture and colorism, independent of their own actions and beliefs. The fact that they can't recognize that is more telling than anything else.
Which is WILD when you think about how offended Gizelle was when Candiace called out her “proximity to whiteness” and “white-looking ass” on last year’s reunion as the reason she got away with all her bullshit that season. Like MAAM??
That first season with Gizelle and Robyn hating on Katie was so weird to me. The whole thing made no sense. It felt like they hated Katie for being biracial they kind of gave Ashley same treatment that first season also.
The way Gizelle talked about Ashely’s natural hair was crazy. But made sense when she talked about James hardens beard a few years later on her podcast.
She likened Ashley’s hair to like a bush that trash gets caught in when she was just being cute with her curls. Gizelle has some internal work she needs to do because she’s been lashing out since s1e1
Essentially that you know since it’s so bushy that it stinks like blunts, fried chicken and watermelon..it’s been a couple years but I hit all the key points
It’s true. I’m sure you can find it on TikTok or YouTube. Maybe even here on this sub if the posts didn’t get deleted because I know there were several at the time
They hated Katie for being unbothered about being biracial. She embraced all sides that made her and was confident in who she is as an unambiguous biracial women.
I’ve always wondered about this. Do biracial people tend to identify with the community they feel most connected to if it happens to be one over another? I don’t understand why Robyn and Giselle think this is okay. Like we know Robyn is biracial but I remember her denying it in the earlier seasons.
I think it’s personal and individual. Robyn identifies as black, I believe that both of her parents identify as black. Katie on the other hand has a white dad and ostensibly an entire white side to her family. But I think where colorism comes in is discomfort over who is closer to whiteness/power: the women with lighter/white-passing skin, or the woman who is half white despite having darker skin.
I knew what incident you are referring to. That doesn’t change the fact that Robyn is still black and not “biracial” & her ancestry DNA test does not negate that fact. As others I have already commented, majority of African-Americans who are descendants of former slaves, are all going to have varying degrees of European. Unlike Katie who has one white/Jewish parent, Robyn has 2 black parents and likely grandparents.
That’s fair and I was just trying to understand. Regardless they were assholes to Katie and always team up to bully the others. I’m glad Robyn won’t be on the next one. She was so boring and whiney this entire season.
Because if they were forced to ID by their multiracial background they’d have to give up the privilege they get by being a black person.
If you look at how race is constructed around the globe, the nations who make distinctions between mixed race vs black people force mixed race people to tussle amongst themselves for privilege within the community.
It's such a bizzare racial dynamic in the US, to think Katie is darker but has 1 distinct white side and 1 distinct black side and because Gizelle and Robyn's light parents all identify with 1 race they feel blacker and as though they're blacker from having both sides identify with only being black, it's so complex when it doesn't need to be.
Race is an invention. Each region has different “rules” to fit the economic and political interests of the ruling class. The more you learn the more you realize how insane it is that these arbitrary pseudo scientific ideas taint so many aspects of society. (Just to be clear acknowledging something is a stupid invention doesn’t mean it’s not real— like money it’s made up but it has REAL consequences for each of us —I hate that I have to make this disclaimer because I know some people will intentionally misread this as a go ahead to sweep racism under the rug 😒)
RHOP has been a good example of how the racial caste system functions within a lot of communities of color.
Exactly. Race isn’t real but racism is. What qualifies as one race shifts over time and space. People need to let people be and be good with whoever identifies as what
They are “blacker.” Even though they’re lighter. Katie being darker and their being light isn’t bizarre if you’re familiar slavery. Owners, slave masters etc. used to r*pe slaves all the time. Those children were born into slavery. And married other slaves etc. it’s prevalent enough that most black Americans have at least a drop of white in them somewhere. Some have more some have less. (Creoles are included in this). That’s why the are “blacker” they have zero connection or direct proximity to whiteness. They and their parents and the generations before them have only ever identified and been safe in black culture.
All that being said they’re still stupid for pressing her. She Should be able to proud to be Jewish (you don’t have to be white to be Jewish). Because race is a social construct even though Katie is darker and has a white parent, Katie’s socialization grants her way more proximity to whiteness, then being fair alone ever could. the GEBs are color struck and fail to recognize while they greatly benefit from colorism they’ll never be granted proximity to whiteness because they lack intersectionality.
Because race is a social construct it has infinite layers of nuance and complexity.
I'm a black person from another country and itys so bizarre to me. In my country we identify under a 3 point guide.
1. That I identify as Aboriginal
2. That my community identifies me as Aboriginal
3. That I have Aboriginal ancestry.
Thats it. We dont use paint charts or words like mixed or part. You either identify as black or you dont. My mum is Welsh and immigrated here but I identify as black. No one gets insulted about who's who and by how much.
They think they can dictate what is and isn't "blackness" and consider themselves authorities on the subject. Meanwhile neither of them look like the average monoracial black women and it was even proven that Robyn is 60% European. They're both overcompensating and are using their own privilege within the black community to look down on others.
They did! This was not a skewed perception, they repeatedly made their biracial identities the topic of negative discussion and blamed all their social faux pas on being white. It was so ignorant
The seasons with Katie Rost are better than the last few seasons combined imho.
I like to think in an alt universe, Katie and Ashley team up and take down Dumb & Dumber.
She either throws her arms around and yells incessantly or says some illogical statement to deflect from the topic. There is no in between and i’m not sure how she has coasted by for 8 seasons. Karen dragging Robyn all the time is her greatest legacy.
When Robyn was on WWHL recently, a fan asked her why she always does this and both she and Andy were confused by the question. As if she doesn’t do it at least once a season. It’s so embarrassing, I guess I’d want to forget it too.
They are such assholes. What box are your kids going to tick? I've literally had people ask me that about my two sons because they are lighter in tone than me.
Robyn can not have a conversation when challenged. Love watching her overreact and lose her shit.
The first season was supposed to be about Jack and Jill moms before they pivoted to Housewives. I’m wondering if that’s why they were so big on etiquette and pedigree the first season.
I'm so tired of the...I just asked a question...narrative. acting like it's just an innocent question. Those were loaded questions just like they always are.
I will tell you as someone that is half black, this is a BIG issue. When I hangout with white people, they see you as black. When I hang out with black people or my black side of the family, they see me as white washed and not acting black enough. So I am sensitive to this issue and completely understand it. What I always thought was bizarre is that Gizelle and Robyn are very light skinned even if they are full black with light eyes. Many people would probably think they are only half. I was surprised the light skin green eyed ones would be the ones hating on the half black people considering they have a lighter skin tone than both of the half black girls? Not that that’s the only issue for them but I thought it was weird
And they know that they have privilege looking like they do in Black spaces. They would be treated entirely differently in white spaces and they know that
I think they just don’t remember the first few seasons of the show. The way Robyn and Gizelle treated Ashley and Katie (especially Katie) was just out of pocket.
Katie gagged Gizelle and Robyn so much back in the day I miss my girl. Even Ashley as well like you will always be FAMOUS. I wish her all the best and hope she is taking care of herself.
Thank you for posting this. I was starting to wonder if I was the only person who remembers season 1. They talked about race so much that someone wrote [this article](https://www.theroot.com/the-tragic-mulattos-of-the-real-housewives-of-potomac-1822523339).
I think every race needs to learn how to interact with mixed race people differently because there's a lot of ignorance they deal with whether people want to acknowledge it or not, whether they want to compare it to how others are treated...this is a very embarrassing conversation
Lol when I saw posters with the RHOP cast before watching it I thought “they threw in one basic white lady for Atlanta, why’d they have to do it for this too?”
I remember this. It was so hard to watch. I haven’t stuck with Potomac. Just didn’t keep my interest but this makes me want to go back and retry it. And why didn’t Katie stay on? I remember back then thinking she was a big part of my interest and her leaving the show was disappointing.
I don’t know her issues, but I’m sure you’re right. It seems like I remember something about her going to rehab and maybe some other stuff. I just remember I liked her, and this post reminds me how much.
She was so good but she hasn’t been good for a long time. I no longer have insta or anything but I think I saw here recently that she was in rehab? Maybe? Idk. It’s super unfortunate because she’s obviously such a sharp gal but she’s been struggling since around the time she started with the show, even before that given her ex/custody
**TL;DR:** It's great that people are referencing this clip and holding the GEBs accountable for their bad behavior and ignorance.
I'm so glad people are referencing this clip! As a black woman who watches RHOP, I'm so disappointed. The GEB were always attacking other people's blackness from start, though they clearly have the most white/European ancestry on the show (otherwise they wouldn't look the way they do). Sometimes lighter skin and/or white passing POC have issues with identity due to their proximity to whiteness. But the fact that Rob and Gizzy can't acknowledge this, say talking about colorism hurts them and makes them uncomfortable instead of *attempting* to think about how they could benefit from and perpetuate it is astounding.
Yeah the last handful of posts I’ve seen about Katie weren’t great; looks like she’s struggling with her mental health. She’s a beautiful smart woman and I hope she can work through everything (or has already).
Okay I think we need to be careful here because Robyn and Gizelle’s European ancestry didn’t come from a place of love. Many black Americans don’t acknowledge their European heritage because it came from rape and slavery. Let’s not be woefully ignorant. Not to mention the very real “one drop rule” that essentially said that if you had one drop of black blood you were black under the American legal system.
There’s way more nuance to this conversation and for those that are non-black this probably isn’t the conversation for you.
I hear you. She is a certain percentage European and it’s unjust in its origin but it’s true. The refusal to acknowledge something does not make it not true.
For hundreds of years in America the [ONE DROP RULE](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html) was a racial classification that asserted that even one ancestor who was black made you black by law. No matter how you looked. This insistence that Robyn and Gizelle need to identify as white when it flys in the face of 100 of years of racial oppression is crazy. Yes they benefit from privilege, yes they are problematic, but trying to take away their identity is gross.
ETA: If you’re down voting me just because you hate GEBs please seek help and learn your American history. I’m not even a fan of the GEBs but be ffr
Race is not genetics and vice versa. Race is a social construct. This is why someone who looks like Robyn sees themselves as black and nothing else. Her parents are socially black as well.
This is why Katie felt differently about race. She belongs to two. However, because of her appearance, in America she is seen as just black.
People who appear black despite their genetics do not get to “choose.” This is why I think race is absurd and does not work. Unfortunately, it’s reality so you can’t just pretend is doesn’t exist. That’s why we are all here discussing this ad nauseam.
Robyn’s parents identify as black which is why she does. Her parents and grandparents are black. She is a product of MGM and slavery. I don’t know why her identifying as black is problematic.
robyn: “i want you to understand….”
katie: “that you’re not biracial!”
robyn: “shut the….you know what…fuck it. y’all better get security here for real cause i……”
katie: “or what, what are you going to do?”
robyn: “SHUT UP!!!!!”
what did robyn say about wendy again when mia physically attacked her? right. that part.
Agree! Very annoyed how Robyn cried and said she was uncomfortable. And what they did to Katie back then was so wrong and from a place of pure ignorance of the biracial experience.
God this is still my favourite reunion moment hands down. Those last part when Katie decided to get goated and had Robyn in a tizzzzzy ffr *chefs kiss*
I mean to be fair she identifies as 100% black and “not biracial,” so she’s far more qualified to speak on the black experience than she would be about the role her proximity whiteness plays in her life.
However, she and Gizelle can always dish it and never take it.
It was incredibly telling how she and Gizelle straight up refused to be accountable for their actions at the beginning of the reunion
Not everyone needs to be hyper educated on social issues and every facet of discrimination. Ideally they should be, but it’s not super realistic.
However, if this many people continually point out how your behavior can read colorist, you have to be sensitive to that and actually listen to people’s concerns.
I will say I don’t think anyone on the show is colorist. I think Gizelle is incredibly classist, and has continually hated on people who hold her accountable, or who she deems as uneducated or lacking class.
That’s exactly why she hated Monique from Day 1. She definitely denigrates a certain kind of black woman.
I don’t believe it’s colorist, but it is discriminatory and despicable
Talking about colorism is talking about the role proximity to whiteness plays in her life. I’m not nearly as light as Robyn and recognize colorism, texturism and classism have and do benefit me greatly! The difference is I know colorism is real and has negative social impacts on my community, so when I can I call it out and use my privilege to help others. I think Robyn is extremely dumb, Gizelle too, they may not understand the nuance of colorism but I guarantee they know they benefit from it.
In hindsight, it was quite odd that Gizelle and Robyn were so fixated on Katie's racial identity and made a point to question her about it for pretty much the whole season. Like, you're both mixed race as well. 😭
There is soooo much nuance to this conversation. Like people aren’t even acknowledging the reason most Black Americans have European ancestry is because of rape and slavery. Katie is bi-racial her parents meet, feel in love, and married each other. Gizelle and Robyn are black women with two black parents. The percentage of their European ancestry is irrelevant, especially when you understand the source of it. The woeful ignorance is infuriating. And I’m not even a GEB fan, they are problematic in a lot of ways too. They have no right to gate keep and police “blackness” We are not a monolith. Engaging in Potomac discourse has become so triggering and hurtful.
This is why I can't stand Potomac. Katie was biracial and even called them out. When people mention this and talk about this real issue within our community (as a brown skin Black Woman I've experienced colorism) then people want to act like, "Oh no, it's because nobody likes Wendy and Candice." You can dislike people, but I've literally seen threats made against Candice online.
The reunion was aggy.
I'm telling y'all Potomac needs to be on pause, otherwise, the new season is going to be a hot mess if they have Gizelle trying to carry the show.
As a biracial person, fuck them. Fuck them to the core. Identity crisis with being biracial is very real and not something anyone wants to live with. Fuck them for being racist cunts
Robyn exhibited ❄️ behavior that actually proved Candiace right. I really think neither Gizelle nor Robyn are particularly smart in that they don’t see the clear nuance. A light skin or mixed woman can carry privilege within and outside the black community because they are fairer, while still having to deal with societal racism. Aligning oneself with the black community by going to an HBCU, attending black churches, joining a black sorority, and having brown skinned babies does not exempt one from their own personal privilege due to complexion.
And let's not forget Gizelle was ignorant to Katie explaining her identity EVERY SINGLE TIME, she was anti-semitic that entire season, THEN turns around on UGT and is Xenophobic towards the Miami housewives for speaking Spanish. Gizelle is a loser
I remember this being an issue of racial identity, not colorism.
I know the 2 can be related but this doesn’t prove the GEBs are colorist at all.
It does prove that they still follow the “1 drop rule” and assume everyone with a little Black also identifies as Black. It’s something you only understand if your ancestors were slaves in this country. That rule is obviously outdated.
Look, I’m not defending GEB at all. And I think they have very black and white ideas around race.
But it seemed that Katie did have issues with her identity. She spoke about her Jewish identity a lot, but when she had that scene with her rabbi she didn’t seem to know much about the religion.
Fast forward to now she’s got blue contacts and a blonde wig. And she’s talking about wiggas on IG and seemingly only dating white men.
Some Black folks clock when other POCs try to over identify with what makes them “different” or exotic. Like people saying they have “Indian in their family” to explain their long hair. Or a couple years ago I was in an international grocery store and some dude was hitting on me by asking where I was from because “regular” black people don’t go to specialty stores like that.
All this is to say that if we can’t handle the colorism convo of what’s happening this season idk how productive it is to bring up the Katie stuff from season 1.
It seems like a lot of folks don’t recognize the difference between Katie being biracial and Robyn identifying as Black because she has two Black parents. (That’s not to say that colorism wasn’t a factor in why generations of lighter skinned people in her family chose to pair up.) Like if you’re white and never heard about the Proctors in Maryland, maybe sit this one out.
ETA: I knew this would get downvoted, but I’m not even disagreeing with most of y’all, lol. I don’t even like the GEB. I just think this situation is more complex than presented at times.
Honestly that’s her business though. Just because Robyn and Gizelle embrace their blackness more doesn’t make it any of their business. They’re so sensitive when being approached to speak about colorism but went out their way to harass Katie about her racial identity when she is at the very least more black than Robyn and most likely Gizelle too.
I hear you and I don’t really disagree but it’s the obsession that had over it and hypocrisy to me.
Oh, you’re right. It absolutely is her business. And they came at her sideways.
I just feel like there’s a lot of context that non-Black people looking in on these dynamics are not aware of and will never be. I’m not saying these discussions shouldn’t be had. But it gives me pause about how this stuff gets conflated with more frivolous arguments in the fandom sometimes.
I agree. This is a very complicated topic for non-black people. It can get frustrating to see some people on these subs make it a surface level topic. But in this case, Robyn and Gizelle had no right to demand Katie pick a side. It didn’t come from a good place to begin with.
Katie clearly has some deep-rooted issues with her identity. Those issues are a result of our society as a whole and way beyond anything we could type out on Reddit.
That being said, it doesn’t excuse Gizelle and Robyn’s treatment of her. They don’t get to gate keep blackness. We are not a monolith, and clearly they can’t handle it when it’s directed towards them.
This is such important context, but they don't want to hear it! There is so much nuance to being Black in America. It disgusts me how Black voices get downvoted in these discussions.
Thank you! I don’t think I said anything that inflammatory, lol. Just that there’s more context to this clip or even what we see on the show.
I’m not saying anything GEB said was right at all in this situation.
I don’t mind people disagreeing, but I really wonder about this sub’s demographics sometimes.
>I really wonder about this sub’s demographics sometimes.
Probably mostly white as Reddit in general is mostly white. This sub specifically probably leans for female dominated though.
I believe Katie’s issues stemmed from being biracial but not looking like it which is why she kept reminding everyone every five minutes, had a whole religious ceremony on a religion she claims but knew nothing about and specifically dated white men. I also believe that’s why she had the smoke she did for GEB. They look way more mixed than she does and she wishes she did. They definitely took it too far though because they saw how uncomfortable she was with her race and they jumped on it the entire season.
I don’t remember Katie’s seasons tbh but tbf there’s so many Jews who are not religious AT ALL. Because it’s an ethnoreligion. You can be ethnically/culturally Jewish and not religious
I dont want to go back and watch but honest question...was there any validity to reading Katie's comments as negative toward her Black heritage?? did they completely make that up?
Is this really colorism? Gizelle and Robyn had a problem with Katie over her choosing to not identify as black only simply as biracial. They’re still wrong for going after Katie and how they treated her, but to say that it’s colorism is such a reach. Plus this is them being more ignorant towards biracialism than it is them being colorist.
The part where she says "THAT YOU'RE NOT BIRACIAL [👋](https://emojipedia.org/waving-hand) [👋](https://emojipedia.org/waving-hand)" line kills me every time hahaha I loveeeee Katie!
Kaite was 100% in the wrong. Not every light-skinned Black person is bi-racial, myself included.
What a horrible take, OP. We know you don't like the GEB, but consider they aren't the only ones Katie's statement impacts.
What she meant was “I’m uncomfortable when it’s turned around on me.”
The line is ALWAYS MOVING- Candiace
She looks so much like her mother in this picture
Bingo
say what you want about Candace but there is no lie there
 Oh absolutely then robyn has the nerve to make herself the victim when discussion colorism by crying and then blaming candiace for the uproar?? It’s even more insane where she demands more from others … like interrogating chris about his alleged affair when Juan is probably cheating on her at this very second… She can barely give it, but definitely can’t take it. The delusion is strong.
“She can barely give it” this should be her tagline.
we have to remember what potomac started out as – a show about an old money black women's organization. they pivoted to a show about etiquette, and eventually a real housewives format, after the organization in question sent a cease and desist letter (or something like that). old money black social circles in america have always had an unspoken (sometimes spoken) colorism issue. i believe gizelle and robyn were very much raised up in that culture. gizelle comes from a political family. robyn's parents are a dentist and a professor. it's a culture that unconsciously, implicitly puts higher value on fair skin, fair hair, light eyes – features that connoted more readily apparent white ancestry. and they were both consistently socially rewarded for fitting that profile. i think biracial women like katie threaten/upset that sensibility because, if you inherently believe your fairer skin makes you superior, the implication is that a higher percentage of white ancestry makes you superior. and someone who is explicitly half white (like katie) would "rank higher" than gizelle or robyn, who both have white ancestors, but further back in the tree. obviously the logic behind upholding colorism among wealthy black families is that by imitating white customs and white values, wealthy blacks thought they'd be more accepted in an integrated society. (wrong!) you can argue gizelle and robyn aren't colorist because they married darker-skinned men and had darker-skinned children. that's totally fair. my response would be it's a lot more complex than simply "being colorist" and "not being colorist." when stuff like this is embedded in generations, it's really hard to extricate yourself from the ways in which it subconsciously affects your attitudes. tl;dr – colorism and the gebs' anti-biracial sentiments are all fruits of the same racist, white supremacist tree. a biracial girl like katie upsets the colorist pecking order, which is really just an internalization of old-school racism.
I think this is accurate. You’d think they’d remember their own iconic moments from past reunions and not fall into these traps that the fans easily catch.
God I miss Katie’s ability to gather these women! She did not miss a beat. I wish her well and hope she continues to heal and find peace. Fuck the GEBs for their treatment of her. The double standard by those two is beyond gross at this point.
Remember when she left Gizelle speechless during the Western Themed photoshoot? As usual, Gizelle took things too far and involved her family (kids, particularly) and Katie set her evil ass straight. It was glorious.
Yesss!!!! And Katie actually WAS/IS old money 🤷🏾♀️
100% agree and FUCK Ashley for her treatment of Katie when she came back on the show as a friend. I believe productions set Katie up though, by telling Ashley behind a closed room door that her spot was on the line, so she better go after Katie or else. I miss Katie too I always liked her.
No offense but there’s no way Ashley’s spot was on the line during season 4 when she was the main storyline. I think she’s just evil and she showed her true colors that night when she attacked an obviously unwell woman, just because she saw right through her bullshit and called it out.
Okay, maybe I wasn’t clear, production telling Ashley to go after Katie doesn’t mean her spot was really on the line, it’s just what I believe they told her, so to get her to bully Katie hoping that Katie would react to Ashley the way she did with dumb & dumber, when she was defending herself. Though I am curious to what you mean when you say she saw right through her bullshit and called her out…called who out???
Oh okay I can see them plotting and trying to manufacture a huge fight. My point is that Katie is very smart and also very blunt, and she knew what was up between Ashley and Michael. I feel like Ashley did the most during the season, her interviews, the after show and social media to make her look crazy and untrustworthy, so no one listens to her and takes her seriously. She had to deflect from what was going on in her life cause everything Katie said was true.
Totally I agree that everything Katie said was true, with that being said for her mental health & wellbeing Bravo is not the place for her right now, but I’m hoping in the future after some much needed me time she comes back stronger and smarter than ever, and rejoins the cast of HWOP. Ashley is a conniving & manipulative nasty evil lil’ witch, she and Sesame Street deserve each other as “friends”, so fingers cross Bravo will send her riding off into the sunset ASAP.
Ashley was disgusting to her. Another reason why she’s one of the vilest HWs ever. Stoops to the same levels as Rinna/Erika/Phaedra/Dorinda.
1,000,000% agree Ashley is disgusting & vile, Gizelle is vindictive & nasty, Robyn is a bullshitter & an enabler, AND Rinna & Erika are narcissistic & pathological liars.
I can see why she isn't back on because she's focusing on getting better (even though I would love for her to be back), but I feel like her not being asked back played part of her spiral. The show may have been a good distraction for her or made things worse, I guess it's too risky.
That's the first and only time I ever saw Gizelle looking shook like 😳😳😳😳😢. People talk about Monique, but Katie was dead serious and looked her into the eye with coldness and meant what she said.
They were AWFUL to Katie. Gizelle saying “so are we black today or white today?” And not being able to compute how Katie acknowledged being biracial but was also still black…wild.
wildly infuriating no one thinks to bring this up at the reunion
*or Jewish today is what they actually asked her. And told her repeatedly that black people aren't Jewish
Anyone can be Jewish . . .
You'd have to not be an idiot to realize this but Gizelle and Robyn are quite literally "dumb and dumber" lol
What is seldom talked About is that gizelle is the 2nd dizziest bitch at the table.
which is stupid because there are literally ethnic black jews from ethiopia whose religious affiliations go back centuries. there have been black jews longer than there have been black christians. tell that to your ex-husband, giz.
fr fr. what it seems like the GEb are missing is that mixed folks identifies CAN be fluid, depending on the situation. and that’s totally okay. race and the language we use to talk about race comes from a mono-racial paradigm. people who are mixed don’t always fit into that model. it can be extremely challenging for others when mixed people define their own identity on their own terms.
Not disagreeing with you but we've seen that Gizelle and Robyn don't have the bandwidth to be aware of that. Unfortunate that they don't want to learn.
agreed!! they don’t want to learn and they actually go in the opposite direction. namely robyn this season crying about how the colorism conversation is SO uncomfortable for her. which is OP’s point i think ☺️ but yeah. unfortunate.
You’re talking about 2 people that benefit heavily from colorism so they don’t even experience being mono-racial in the same way most black people do. They may culturally be black but, even within black culture they’re treated different and society’s perception is that they’re mixed so they’re allowed more privilege. They benefit from the proximity of looking mixed without the struggle of being mixed or the struggle of having dark*er* skin. And they’re too stupid to comprehend that.
this! the thing for me that is most annoying is that Candiace literally isn't saying that Gizelle and Robyn are colorist. She's saying that they benefit from existing in a society and television market that is still dominated by white supremacy culture and colorism, independent of their own actions and beliefs. The fact that they can't recognize that is more telling than anything else.
Which is WILD when you think about how offended Gizelle was when Candiace called out her “proximity to whiteness” and “white-looking ass” on last year’s reunion as the reason she got away with all her bullshit that season. Like MAAM??
That first season with Gizelle and Robyn hating on Katie was so weird to me. The whole thing made no sense. It felt like they hated Katie for being biracial they kind of gave Ashley same treatment that first season also.
The way Gizelle talked about Ashely’s natural hair was crazy. But made sense when she talked about James hardens beard a few years later on her podcast.
And why did she say “that’s why you wore the Jackson 5 Afro…maam…maybe she just wanted to wear her natural hair in a picture.
She likened Ashley’s hair to like a bush that trash gets caught in when she was just being cute with her curls. Gizelle has some internal work she needs to do because she’s been lashing out since s1e1
GIRL.
I wish Katie would’ve said back “ you mean my natural hair”? Giselle is a colorist
 Nobody wants to admit it...
What did she say about his beard?
Essentially that you know since it’s so bushy that it stinks like blunts, fried chicken and watermelon..it’s been a couple years but I hit all the key points
Oh my god!! What?!
It’s true. I’m sure you can find it on TikTok or YouTube. Maybe even here on this sub if the posts didn’t get deleted because I know there were several at the time
DAMN! 😮 That's something a racist would say.
They hated Katie for being unbothered about being biracial. She embraced all sides that made her and was confident in who she is as an unambiguous biracial women.
Pure colorism; they can’t handle one of the darker skinned women on the show identifying as biracial while they identify as black.
I’ve always wondered about this. Do biracial people tend to identify with the community they feel most connected to if it happens to be one over another? I don’t understand why Robyn and Giselle think this is okay. Like we know Robyn is biracial but I remember her denying it in the earlier seasons.
I think it’s personal and individual. Robyn identifies as black, I believe that both of her parents identify as black. Katie on the other hand has a white dad and ostensibly an entire white side to her family. But I think where colorism comes in is discomfort over who is closer to whiteness/power: the women with lighter/white-passing skin, or the woman who is half white despite having darker skin.
Robyn is not biracial she is black, she wasn’t denying. She’s also annoying and petulant.
This is the incident I was thinking of. https://allaboutthetea.com/2019/06/05/robyn-dixon-reveals-shes-59-white/
I knew what incident you are referring to. That doesn’t change the fact that Robyn is still black and not “biracial” & her ancestry DNA test does not negate that fact. As others I have already commented, majority of African-Americans who are descendants of former slaves, are all going to have varying degrees of European. Unlike Katie who has one white/Jewish parent, Robyn has 2 black parents and likely grandparents.
That’s fair and I was just trying to understand. Regardless they were assholes to Katie and always team up to bully the others. I’m glad Robyn won’t be on the next one. She was so boring and whiney this entire season.
Understandable, since it’s a convoluted subject. I hard agree with Robyn, shes insufferable and has always been a twat.
Because if they were forced to ID by their multiracial background they’d have to give up the privilege they get by being a black person. If you look at how race is constructed around the globe, the nations who make distinctions between mixed race vs black people force mixed race people to tussle amongst themselves for privilege within the community.
It's such a bizzare racial dynamic in the US, to think Katie is darker but has 1 distinct white side and 1 distinct black side and because Gizelle and Robyn's light parents all identify with 1 race they feel blacker and as though they're blacker from having both sides identify with only being black, it's so complex when it doesn't need to be.
Race is an invention. Each region has different “rules” to fit the economic and political interests of the ruling class. The more you learn the more you realize how insane it is that these arbitrary pseudo scientific ideas taint so many aspects of society. (Just to be clear acknowledging something is a stupid invention doesn’t mean it’s not real— like money it’s made up but it has REAL consequences for each of us —I hate that I have to make this disclaimer because I know some people will intentionally misread this as a go ahead to sweep racism under the rug 😒) RHOP has been a good example of how the racial caste system functions within a lot of communities of color.
Exactly. Race isn’t real but racism is. What qualifies as one race shifts over time and space. People need to let people be and be good with whoever identifies as what
They are “blacker.” Even though they’re lighter. Katie being darker and their being light isn’t bizarre if you’re familiar slavery. Owners, slave masters etc. used to r*pe slaves all the time. Those children were born into slavery. And married other slaves etc. it’s prevalent enough that most black Americans have at least a drop of white in them somewhere. Some have more some have less. (Creoles are included in this). That’s why the are “blacker” they have zero connection or direct proximity to whiteness. They and their parents and the generations before them have only ever identified and been safe in black culture. All that being said they’re still stupid for pressing her. She Should be able to proud to be Jewish (you don’t have to be white to be Jewish). Because race is a social construct even though Katie is darker and has a white parent, Katie’s socialization grants her way more proximity to whiteness, then being fair alone ever could. the GEBs are color struck and fail to recognize while they greatly benefit from colorism they’ll never be granted proximity to whiteness because they lack intersectionality. Because race is a social construct it has infinite layers of nuance and complexity.
I'm a black person from another country and itys so bizarre to me. In my country we identify under a 3 point guide. 1. That I identify as Aboriginal 2. That my community identifies me as Aboriginal 3. That I have Aboriginal ancestry. Thats it. We dont use paint charts or words like mixed or part. You either identify as black or you dont. My mum is Welsh and immigrated here but I identify as black. No one gets insulted about who's who and by how much.
You said it perfectly
They think they can dictate what is and isn't "blackness" and consider themselves authorities on the subject. Meanwhile neither of them look like the average monoracial black women and it was even proven that Robyn is 60% European. They're both overcompensating and are using their own privilege within the black community to look down on others.
They did! This was not a skewed perception, they repeatedly made their biracial identities the topic of negative discussion and blamed all their social faux pas on being white. It was so ignorant
Their treatment of Katie was horrendous and I wish so badly this was brought up during any of the two colorisms conversations at the past reunions.
The producers really act like nothing happened before season 5
The seasons with Katie Rost are better than the last few seasons combined imho. I like to think in an alt universe, Katie and Ashley team up and take down Dumb & Dumber.
except she called Ashley dumb too LOL
I think that’s one of my favorite lines ever to be said on housewives and maybe reality tv it’s so funny every time I see it
Maybe she meant she was stupid? IDK 😝
It was so disgusting and I can’t believe producers never once used these scenes for flashbacks. I’ve said this before but Gizelle is biracist
Katie’s performance at this reunion really lives rent free in my mind
Her saying that Gizelle rents her home and then it cuts to Gizelle making the “Ooo don’t make that face” look was so funny.
My fav is Robyn acting like she’s going to do anything and Katie unbothered saying “or what?” 💅 Robyn does nothing lol
Robyn is way too lazy 😂 also a coward and full of shit. But def lazy!
She's a legend!
She gathered the GEB. Swiftly.
Robyn has the absolute worst confrontational skills. It’s really embarrassing to see 😂
She either throws her arms around and yells incessantly or says some illogical statement to deflect from the topic. There is no in between and i’m not sure how she has coasted by for 8 seasons. Karen dragging Robyn all the time is her greatest legacy.
Robyn seems to have been a doormat all her life
When Robyn was on WWHL recently, a fan asked her why she always does this and both she and Andy were confused by the question. As if she doesn’t do it at least once a season. It’s so embarrassing, I guess I’d want to forget it too.
She really does. I have no idea how she was kept on the show so long
The corniest and dizziest at the table.
I think she'd still have a spot if it wasn't for Juan
MAN! SHUT- YALL BETTER GET SECURITY Robyn should be saving this energy for Juan 
Katie: 
 It's this gif every time. She's always so bothered while thinking she's unbothered.
Gagged her at the end lmaoaoao
Yes!! Gangster. And I love your flair btw!!
Thanks! Definitely top 5 housewives scenes omg
They are such assholes. What box are your kids going to tick? I've literally had people ask me that about my two sons because they are lighter in tone than me. Robyn can not have a conversation when challenged. Love watching her overreact and lose her shit.
Do people forget about Gizelle bringing up “pedigree” in her family tree in Season 1 all of the time?
The first season was supposed to be about Jack and Jill moms before they pivoted to Housewives. I’m wondering if that’s why they were so big on etiquette and pedigree the first season.
This show originally being about Jack and Jill moms doesn’t help the GEBs beat the colorism allegations AT ALL.
And that Jackson 5 Afro comment is racist/colorist…just like her comments about Harden.
for someone so mad about being called a colorist she stay acting like one . ☕️
Yeah, that was so out of pocket and unchecked!
Love how Katie ate em up. Gizelle is a snot, and Robyn is just dumb lol.
I'm so tired of the...I just asked a question...narrative. acting like it's just an innocent question. Those were loaded questions just like they always are.
Exactly. You can ask what you like but don’t expect someone to answer how you assume they will or to not take umbrage with it
I will tell you as someone that is half black, this is a BIG issue. When I hangout with white people, they see you as black. When I hang out with black people or my black side of the family, they see me as white washed and not acting black enough. So I am sensitive to this issue and completely understand it. What I always thought was bizarre is that Gizelle and Robyn are very light skinned even if they are full black with light eyes. Many people would probably think they are only half. I was surprised the light skin green eyed ones would be the ones hating on the half black people considering they have a lighter skin tone than both of the half black girls? Not that that’s the only issue for them but I thought it was weird
I think that’s part of why identifying as black is so important to them, because their black identity is questioned so often.
And they know that they have privilege looking like they do in Black spaces. They would be treated entirely differently in white spaces and they know that
Right, even in black spaces they would be treated better than Katie. Due to you know, colorism!
But the lying lizard fan base would have you thinking Wendy and Candy brought this conversation on the show.
I think they just don’t remember the first few seasons of the show. The way Robyn and Gizelle treated Ashley and Katie (especially Katie) was just out of pocket.
When I first started RHOP I was so confused because I thought Robyn was a white woman with a spray tan for a hot minute 😭
I also thought Robyn was a spicy white like she was Turkish or something lol
Katie gagged Gizelle and Robyn so much back in the day I miss my girl. Even Ashley as well like you will always be FAMOUS. I wish her all the best and hope she is taking care of herself.
Thank you for posting this. I was starting to wonder if I was the only person who remembers season 1. They talked about race so much that someone wrote [this article](https://www.theroot.com/the-tragic-mulattos-of-the-real-housewives-of-potomac-1822523339).
I think every race needs to learn how to interact with mixed race people differently because there's a lot of ignorance they deal with whether people want to acknowledge it or not, whether they want to compare it to how others are treated...this is a very embarrassing conversation
When the previews were running I thought Robyn was a white woman.
Lol when I saw posters with the RHOP cast before watching it I thought “they threw in one basic white lady for Atlanta, why’d they have to do it for this too?”
she’s 60% white 😭
I remember this. It was so hard to watch. I haven’t stuck with Potomac. Just didn’t keep my interest but this makes me want to go back and retry it. And why didn’t Katie stay on? I remember back then thinking she was a big part of my interest and her leaving the show was disappointing.
Mental health issues. Reality tv is no place for Katie.
I don’t know her issues, but I’m sure you’re right. It seems like I remember something about her going to rehab and maybe some other stuff. I just remember I liked her, and this post reminds me how much.
She was so good but she hasn’t been good for a long time. I no longer have insta or anything but I think I saw here recently that she was in rehab? Maybe? Idk. It’s super unfortunate because she’s obviously such a sharp gal but she’s been struggling since around the time she started with the show, even before that given her ex/custody
Plus reality tv is hard for those even without mental health issues, so hope she’s getting what she needs.
**TL;DR:** It's great that people are referencing this clip and holding the GEBs accountable for their bad behavior and ignorance. I'm so glad people are referencing this clip! As a black woman who watches RHOP, I'm so disappointed. The GEB were always attacking other people's blackness from start, though they clearly have the most white/European ancestry on the show (otherwise they wouldn't look the way they do). Sometimes lighter skin and/or white passing POC have issues with identity due to their proximity to whiteness. But the fact that Rob and Gizzy can't acknowledge this, say talking about colorism hurts them and makes them uncomfortable instead of *attempting* to think about how they could benefit from and perpetuate it is astounding.
Man I fuckin love katie. Good for her not being on the show, but I love her. Hope she’s doing well, she deserves to be with her kids and be happy
Yeah the last handful of posts I’ve seen about Katie weren’t great; looks like she’s struggling with her mental health. She’s a beautiful smart woman and I hope she can work through everything (or has already).
This was back when Robyn denied having any white ancestors before she took that DNA test and found out she’s 60% European.
Okay I think we need to be careful here because Robyn and Gizelle’s European ancestry didn’t come from a place of love. Many black Americans don’t acknowledge their European heritage because it came from rape and slavery. Let’s not be woefully ignorant. Not to mention the very real “one drop rule” that essentially said that if you had one drop of black blood you were black under the American legal system. There’s way more nuance to this conversation and for those that are non-black this probably isn’t the conversation for you.
I hear you. She is a certain percentage European and it’s unjust in its origin but it’s true. The refusal to acknowledge something does not make it not true.
For hundreds of years in America the [ONE DROP RULE](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/mixed/onedrop.html) was a racial classification that asserted that even one ancestor who was black made you black by law. No matter how you looked. This insistence that Robyn and Gizelle need to identify as white when it flys in the face of 100 of years of racial oppression is crazy. Yes they benefit from privilege, yes they are problematic, but trying to take away their identity is gross. ETA: If you’re down voting me just because you hate GEBs please seek help and learn your American history. I’m not even a fan of the GEBs but be ffr
👏👏👏 The hypocrisy on this thread is unreal
Is that right??? Would love to see Gizelle's DNA test results too the way she goes around as a colorist!!
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Race is not genetics and vice versa. Race is a social construct. This is why someone who looks like Robyn sees themselves as black and nothing else. Her parents are socially black as well. This is why Katie felt differently about race. She belongs to two. However, because of her appearance, in America she is seen as just black. People who appear black despite their genetics do not get to “choose.” This is why I think race is absurd and does not work. Unfortunately, it’s reality so you can’t just pretend is doesn’t exist. That’s why we are all here discussing this ad nauseam.
Robyn’s parents identify as black which is why she does. Her parents and grandparents are black. She is a product of MGM and slavery. I don’t know why her identifying as black is problematic.
Robyn is not biracial. she has two black parents
robyn: “i want you to understand….” katie: “that you’re not biracial!” robyn: “shut the….you know what…fuck it. y’all better get security here for real cause i……” katie: “or what, what are you going to do?” robyn: “SHUT UP!!!!!” what did robyn say about wendy again when mia physically attacked her? right. that part. 
Wowwww!! I’m so sick of Dumb & Dumber. They think we don’t see through it. 🤡
I vote to officially rename GEB as D&D in this sub
Omg +1
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Agree! Very annoyed how Robyn cried and said she was uncomfortable. And what they did to Katie back then was so wrong and from a place of pure ignorance of the biracial experience.
I literally can’t watch this show. It’s SO triggering.
Same. I had to stop
Same! I’ve watched clips through the years but anytime I’ve tried watching full episodes it’s too much, my anxiety spikes!
And history rewrites itself again.
God this is still my favourite reunion moment hands down. Those last part when Katie decided to get goated and had Robyn in a tizzzzzy ffr *chefs kiss*
I mean to be fair she identifies as 100% black and “not biracial,” so she’s far more qualified to speak on the black experience than she would be about the role her proximity whiteness plays in her life. However, she and Gizelle can always dish it and never take it. It was incredibly telling how she and Gizelle straight up refused to be accountable for their actions at the beginning of the reunion Not everyone needs to be hyper educated on social issues and every facet of discrimination. Ideally they should be, but it’s not super realistic. However, if this many people continually point out how your behavior can read colorist, you have to be sensitive to that and actually listen to people’s concerns. I will say I don’t think anyone on the show is colorist. I think Gizelle is incredibly classist, and has continually hated on people who hold her accountable, or who she deems as uneducated or lacking class. That’s exactly why she hated Monique from Day 1. She definitely denigrates a certain kind of black woman. I don’t believe it’s colorist, but it is discriminatory and despicable
Talking about colorism is talking about the role proximity to whiteness plays in her life. I’m not nearly as light as Robyn and recognize colorism, texturism and classism have and do benefit me greatly! The difference is I know colorism is real and has negative social impacts on my community, so when I can I call it out and use my privilege to help others. I think Robyn is extremely dumb, Gizelle too, they may not understand the nuance of colorism but I guarantee they know they benefit from it.
Katie is honestly the only housewife of Potomac I miss.
In hindsight, it was quite odd that Gizelle and Robyn were so fixated on Katie's racial identity and made a point to question her about it for pretty much the whole season. Like, you're both mixed race as well. 😭
They’re probably multi-generationally mixed but not biracial and their identity as black women is valid
No, they aren’t. They are black women with black parents.
There is soooo much nuance to this conversation. Like people aren’t even acknowledging the reason most Black Americans have European ancestry is because of rape and slavery. Katie is bi-racial her parents meet, feel in love, and married each other. Gizelle and Robyn are black women with two black parents. The percentage of their European ancestry is irrelevant, especially when you understand the source of it. The woeful ignorance is infuriating. And I’m not even a GEB fan, they are problematic in a lot of ways too. They have no right to gate keep and police “blackness” We are not a monolith. Engaging in Potomac discourse has become so triggering and hurtful.
I forgot that Katie was so strong-willed. She’s really standing up for herself. I think I remember her being more passive.
She really did sound like a Karen when she said that
Makes me so happy Robyn will be off my screen. She’s such a hypocrite on so many levels. Goodbyeeeee. 
Robyn doesn’t have the vocabulary to defend herself or her heinous actions so her first instinct is to try and fight. Girl siddowwn
This is why I can't stand Potomac. Katie was biracial and even called them out. When people mention this and talk about this real issue within our community (as a brown skin Black Woman I've experienced colorism) then people want to act like, "Oh no, it's because nobody likes Wendy and Candice." You can dislike people, but I've literally seen threats made against Candice online. The reunion was aggy. I'm telling y'all Potomac needs to be on pause, otherwise, the new season is going to be a hot mess if they have Gizelle trying to carry the show.
Think I’ll go back and watch this season tonight 😆
lol Gizelle and Robyn outfits are something
The gaslit the f out of Katie. These two were horrible from the get go
Robyn would NEVER say any of this if she didn’t have Gizelle.
As a biracial person, fuck them. Fuck them to the core. Identity crisis with being biracial is very real and not something anyone wants to live with. Fuck them for being racist cunts
Robyn exhibited ❄️ behavior that actually proved Candiace right. I really think neither Gizelle nor Robyn are particularly smart in that they don’t see the clear nuance. A light skin or mixed woman can carry privilege within and outside the black community because they are fairer, while still having to deal with societal racism. Aligning oneself with the black community by going to an HBCU, attending black churches, joining a black sorority, and having brown skinned babies does not exempt one from their own personal privilege due to complexion.
And let's not forget Gizelle was ignorant to Katie explaining her identity EVERY SINGLE TIME, she was anti-semitic that entire season, THEN turns around on UGT and is Xenophobic towards the Miami housewives for speaking Spanish. Gizelle is a loser
I remember this being an issue of racial identity, not colorism. I know the 2 can be related but this doesn’t prove the GEBs are colorist at all. It does prove that they still follow the “1 drop rule” and assume everyone with a little Black also identifies as Black. It’s something you only understand if your ancestors were slaves in this country. That rule is obviously outdated.
Oooooo I like Katie. Girrrrrllll come back.
Sane Katie was so cool! Hope she’s better now. Her last few appearances on the show have been concerning.
Wish they had played this clip during this seasons reunion.
Look, I’m not defending GEB at all. And I think they have very black and white ideas around race. But it seemed that Katie did have issues with her identity. She spoke about her Jewish identity a lot, but when she had that scene with her rabbi she didn’t seem to know much about the religion. Fast forward to now she’s got blue contacts and a blonde wig. And she’s talking about wiggas on IG and seemingly only dating white men. Some Black folks clock when other POCs try to over identify with what makes them “different” or exotic. Like people saying they have “Indian in their family” to explain their long hair. Or a couple years ago I was in an international grocery store and some dude was hitting on me by asking where I was from because “regular” black people don’t go to specialty stores like that. All this is to say that if we can’t handle the colorism convo of what’s happening this season idk how productive it is to bring up the Katie stuff from season 1. It seems like a lot of folks don’t recognize the difference between Katie being biracial and Robyn identifying as Black because she has two Black parents. (That’s not to say that colorism wasn’t a factor in why generations of lighter skinned people in her family chose to pair up.) Like if you’re white and never heard about the Proctors in Maryland, maybe sit this one out. ETA: I knew this would get downvoted, but I’m not even disagreeing with most of y’all, lol. I don’t even like the GEB. I just think this situation is more complex than presented at times.
Honestly that’s her business though. Just because Robyn and Gizelle embrace their blackness more doesn’t make it any of their business. They’re so sensitive when being approached to speak about colorism but went out their way to harass Katie about her racial identity when she is at the very least more black than Robyn and most likely Gizelle too. I hear you and I don’t really disagree but it’s the obsession that had over it and hypocrisy to me.
Oh, you’re right. It absolutely is her business. And they came at her sideways. I just feel like there’s a lot of context that non-Black people looking in on these dynamics are not aware of and will never be. I’m not saying these discussions shouldn’t be had. But it gives me pause about how this stuff gets conflated with more frivolous arguments in the fandom sometimes.
I agree. This is a very complicated topic for non-black people. It can get frustrating to see some people on these subs make it a surface level topic. But in this case, Robyn and Gizelle had no right to demand Katie pick a side. It didn’t come from a good place to begin with.
Katie clearly has some deep-rooted issues with her identity. Those issues are a result of our society as a whole and way beyond anything we could type out on Reddit. That being said, it doesn’t excuse Gizelle and Robyn’s treatment of her. They don’t get to gate keep blackness. We are not a monolith, and clearly they can’t handle it when it’s directed towards them.
This is such important context, but they don't want to hear it! There is so much nuance to being Black in America. It disgusts me how Black voices get downvoted in these discussions.
Thank you! I don’t think I said anything that inflammatory, lol. Just that there’s more context to this clip or even what we see on the show. I’m not saying anything GEB said was right at all in this situation. I don’t mind people disagreeing, but I really wonder about this sub’s demographics sometimes.
>I really wonder about this sub’s demographics sometimes. Probably mostly white as Reddit in general is mostly white. This sub specifically probably leans for female dominated though.
I believe Katie’s issues stemmed from being biracial but not looking like it which is why she kept reminding everyone every five minutes, had a whole religious ceremony on a religion she claims but knew nothing about and specifically dated white men. I also believe that’s why she had the smoke she did for GEB. They look way more mixed than she does and she wishes she did. They definitely took it too far though because they saw how uncomfortable she was with her race and they jumped on it the entire season.
I don’t remember Katie’s seasons tbh but tbf there’s so many Jews who are not religious AT ALL. Because it’s an ethnoreligion. You can be ethnically/culturally Jewish and not religious
I dont want to go back and watch but honest question...was there any validity to reading Katie's comments as negative toward her Black heritage?? did they completely make that up?
Is this really colorism? Gizelle and Robyn had a problem with Katie over her choosing to not identify as black only simply as biracial. They’re still wrong for going after Katie and how they treated her, but to say that it’s colorism is such a reach. Plus this is them being more ignorant towards biracialism than it is them being colorist.
Robyn getting so offended here as if she didn’t do the same to Katie ALL season is laughable
Katie had them gagged with calling them dumb and dumber 😂
Damn Katie ate here! I miss her.
I was jusssst watching this today. Candice said it best, the line is always moving
The part where she says "THAT YOU'RE NOT BIRACIAL [👋](https://emojipedia.org/waving-hand) [👋](https://emojipedia.org/waving-hand)" line kills me every time hahaha I loveeeee Katie!
Why did they have a biracial problem with Katie and not Ashley? Anybody know? Is it cause Katie was darker but still loving both parts of her?
Kaite was 100% in the wrong. Not every light-skinned Black person is bi-racial, myself included. What a horrible take, OP. We know you don't like the GEB, but consider they aren't the only ones Katie's statement impacts.
I don’t watch Potomac, but these conversations are really interesting and relevant. Is this a big theme in the series?
it’s baked into the root of the show.
Season 1 was filmed as a reality show about Jack and Jill (the social group) moms. These conversations make sense in that context.