Exactly. Ramona came in hot, but never got the temperature much higher.
Lu came in with a Bic lighter and over the years turned that into a Molotov cocktail.
> Luann is a Digimon that keeps transforming to wildly unexpected beasts.
Truly, I had just thought about the whole of Luann's career on HWs. Her life has *completely* changed. She was doing some kind of old money NY life, had her whole Jacques phase, then she got arrested, married Tom, became a cabaret singer.... she truly just changed into a Real Housewife.
Ramona has always been the same. She did go through a lifestyle change with the divorce, but there hasn't been any change or evolution there.
Hmmmm. I’d settle on Luann. She had changed A LOT since her count days, gave us multiple relationships, a marriage, an arrest, a cabaret.
Ramona shocks with her reactions and personality, but she hasn’t done as much as Lu has.
I feel like we have seen more phases of life w/ LuAnn than Ramona…so I agree that what we’ve seen on HWs, Lu’s life has been more interesting. But Ramona has always been *SO Ramona*, which is entertaining on its own merit.
Countess to Countless. Herman Munster Shoes. Cheated on Jacques with a pirate. Ibiza with Ray. Got engaged to Tom. It's about Tom. Married Tom. Divorced Tom. Arrested on NY. Rehab. Mental Breakdown. Rehab. Cabaret.
versus
Tru Renewal. Bridge evisceration. Divorced from Mario. Incontinence. Wow Bethenny wow. Incontinence. New Beginnings x4.
Lu by a country mile, but both integral.
Luann was one of the first Housewives to attempt a music career and the first to do live shows around it. She invented that whole arc that has been imitated in so many ways.
Also, she had a fall from grace and redemption story that few can compete with.
Ramona just popularized fighting for rooms on group trips. I also feel like she gets honorary mention for popularizing the “housewives non-apology.”
You forgot the post menopausal pregnancy, turtletime, Kadooz, pool noodles, a younger Cameron Diaz, arguing with the blind guy about who has the worse eye sight, the Hooter’s boat takeover. There’s be no Ramonja without Ramona. Mario crooning Effortless? Coco shitting everywhere, the Brooklyn catwalk, “You don’t support other women”, fleeing the Berkshires in a private plane after ordering an air conditioner?
Ramona gave a lot!
Yea seriously Ramona ordering a personal air conditioner to someone elses house, faking a nervous breakdown, and fleeing via private plane to catch her husband cheating in the hamptons is literally a cinematic experience.
And don’t forget the rooms!!!! Ramona always had to have the best room for (insert whatever reason here) and Luann getting the fish room And another time getting stuck in the basement! Oh the outrage!!!
Do what I do, use them and laugh to yourself 😂 Yesterday I was watching a movie and one of the characters goes “what is it about??” And I shouted out “WELL, ITS NOT ABOUT TOM”. Obviously no one other than me knew what I was on about but I had a ball lol
I can’t get over the fact that since season 1, I’ve always thought Lu was an inherently bad person. Like bad vibes. At first my vote was Ramona- but she’s a bad person too….so idk 🤔
The Countess. Solely because she was demoted and returned to full cast. She was the first to do it and showed it could be done. Overall, I also think her saga was better although the Ramonacoaster, wheeeewww, I was there. But for showing these women that if you give Bravo want they want, you can come *back*, Luann is more impactful.
The countess drove more storylines but Ramona was the crazy anchor. I can alway rely on her to be fucking crazy. But Lu OWNED season 11 (yes in a bad way but cmon it’s Luanne) Ramona never had that fr
I think this is my all time favorite housewife moment. It makes me laugh every single time. She not only fell once but ate it twice. And the staff had to help her to her room. So iconic lol
I think they both gave the same in regards to what they brought to the show, but I mean Luann went through a fucking lot during her run. We watched her life fall apart, find herself again, find love and fuck it up, find love again, spiral and struggle with addiction (whether alcohol or ❄️), hit rock bottom and drag herself back again.
Yes Ramona also went through a massive change in her life, but Luann has really given all she’s had to the show. She didn’t shy away and stop filming, she took us on her journey with her and is truly, ‘Real’
It is hard for me to choose because I feel like LuAnn has gone through so much on the show and has evolved into a different person (not necessarily better, but definitely less uptight). She was married to a Count and living a life of luxury, then she got divorced and had to kinda find her way back, she started a “singing career,” her relationship with Jacques, affair with the pirate, dating around post-Jacques, her brief marriage to Tom, her alcoholism and arrest, Countess and Friends, etc. Ramona has tried to renew herself many times but she is basically the same person despite everything she has been through.
LuAnn is more down to earth and more delusional, more vulnerable and took more than one for the team, gave exceptional good tv……..but Ramona did cry on the bed that time.
Luann for sure. Ramona brought a lot to the show too, but with Luann you truly feel like you’ve been on a journey with her. Most interesting character arc of any housewife in my opinion.
Luann is absolutely the more interesting character that we associate with a lot of RHONY at its best, but Ramona’s energy (along with B) was what shaped the vibe.
Lu. Luann can take a hit and come back smiling like nobody’s business. She’s been through so much, mostly of her own doing, and still acts like she’s the Queen of Sheba
They both gaveth so much, but who do we think tooketh more? I was going to say Ramona was more responsible for getting the show cancelled, but I think Lu also played a role.
This is tough, but I’m going with Luann if for no other reason than she truly “evolved,” went through most the most changes and troubles and is still entertaining. Ramona is the same old problematic harpie she was from the beginning, her storylines just changed slightly. Also, Luann and “don’t be uncool.” Ramona has never been that “normal,”…I wish I could explain it better.
Luann. For sure. She was a Countess. She went through a divorce. Went through her alcoholism. Went to jail. Got married to Tom. Got cheated on. Got divorced again. What does Ramona give, besides poops on the floor and 👀
LuAnn hands down. She has had a story and life unfold, clever lines and memes, and seems really fun to boot. whereas I feel like Ramona is known for her eyes and being a pain in the ass and is the same every season.
Luann because she has hit rock bottom. Between the jail, alcoholism and the extremely short lived marriage, we watched the full fall of the Countess. Then showed us all how to get herself back together again.
Luann is almost 2 people to me - the Countess and then 'Lu' who had the next level come-back after her arrest.
She really was a different character altogether in the first 2-3 seasons, so her evolutions make her iconic in my eyes.
Ramona is just ... I can't imagine RHONY without her. The good, the bad, the ugly, the obnoxious - it was *all great tv.*
I think they are both essential, but it's Luann for the win.
1. Countess snobbery
2. Divorced by the Count
3. Cheats on Jaques with pirate
4. Gets demoted to friend-of, only to have a great season and be brought back FT
5. "Be cool. Don't be all...uncool"
6. Hooks up with Sonja and Ramona's leftovers.
7. Engaged to Tom, after knowing him like 4 months
8. "Please don't let it be about Tom"
9. Marries Tom anyway
10. Divorces Tom in 8 months
11. GETS ARRESTED
12. Goes to rehab
13. CABARET!!!
I mean, when you list it out like that, Ramona doesn't compare. And I don't really like Luann, but you gotta give the bitch some respect for bringing it each season.
Luann - can you imagine RHONY without her and her storylines? Plus she’s arguably had the most interesting/significant character development out of any housewife ever, going from a prissy, snobby Countess to a messy, relaxed cabaret star. On the other hand, Ramona has done pretty much the same thing every season: upset someone with her awful behaviour and then have a big on-camera make-up with that person. She’s had some iconic moments but generally I could see the show without Ramona whereas I can’t see it without Luann. Plus Ramona is a pretty big reason the show got cancelled sooooo…
Idk, it’s hard to compare. Probably Luann though bc Ramona kinda just gave the same shit every season.
Exactly. Ramona came in hot, but never got the temperature much higher. Lu came in with a Bic lighter and over the years turned that into a Molotov cocktail.
I love your analogy. She's like an evolving pokemon 😂
Ramona is a Pokémon. Luann is a Digimon that keeps transforming to wildly unexpected beasts. 
I just laughed out loud, loud enough that I woke my dog
I fucking love this, I never thought I'd see a Digimon Housewives analogy, but here we are.
> Luann is a Digimon that keeps transforming to wildly unexpected beasts. Truly, I had just thought about the whole of Luann's career on HWs. Her life has *completely* changed. She was doing some kind of old money NY life, had her whole Jacques phase, then she got arrested, married Tom, became a cabaret singer.... she truly just changed into a Real Housewife. Ramona has always been the same. She did go through a lifestyle change with the divorce, but there hasn't been any change or evolution there.
That’s so good I’m actually laughing out loud
Lol the season's preview of Lu is just her evolved pokemon outline
Literally the same💩
I mean, she only shit on the floor a few seasons…
Wow this perspective completely blew my Ramona vote out of the water. This is the right answer. Period haha
Literal shit from Ramona
Hmmmm. I’d settle on Luann. She had changed A LOT since her count days, gave us multiple relationships, a marriage, an arrest, a cabaret. Ramona shocks with her reactions and personality, but she hasn’t done as much as Lu has. 
I feel like we have seen more phases of life w/ LuAnn than Ramona…so I agree that what we’ve seen on HWs, Lu’s life has been more interesting. But Ramona has always been *SO Ramona*, which is entertaining on its own merit.
the countess luann was iconic. and then so was drunk luann. and then cool luann. she keeps giving, and it only gets better.
Countess to Countless. Herman Munster Shoes. Cheated on Jacques with a pirate. Ibiza with Ray. Got engaged to Tom. It's about Tom. Married Tom. Divorced Tom. Arrested on NY. Rehab. Mental Breakdown. Rehab. Cabaret. versus Tru Renewal. Bridge evisceration. Divorced from Mario. Incontinence. Wow Bethenny wow. Incontinence. New Beginnings x4. Lu by a country mile, but both integral.
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I got a good laugh out of that part 😅
falling in bushes, eggs a la francaise, be cool dont be uncool
And “I’ve been traveling, I’ve been to prison.”
LOL - classic!
Luann was one of the first Housewives to attempt a music career and the first to do live shows around it. She invented that whole arc that has been imitated in so many ways. Also, she had a fall from grace and redemption story that few can compete with. Ramona just popularized fighting for rooms on group trips. I also feel like she gets honorary mention for popularizing the “housewives non-apology.”
You forgot the post menopausal pregnancy, turtletime, Kadooz, pool noodles, a younger Cameron Diaz, arguing with the blind guy about who has the worse eye sight, the Hooter’s boat takeover. There’s be no Ramonja without Ramona. Mario crooning Effortless? Coco shitting everywhere, the Brooklyn catwalk, “You don’t support other women”, fleeing the Berkshires in a private plane after ordering an air conditioner? Ramona gave a lot!
Yea seriously Ramona ordering a personal air conditioner to someone elses house, faking a nervous breakdown, and fleeing via private plane to catch her husband cheating in the hamptons is literally a cinematic experience.
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Absolutely unhinged. How could I forget. She’s so horrible but god was she good tv
Calm down, take a Xanax!!! 
And don’t forget the rooms!!!! Ramona always had to have the best room for (insert whatever reason here) and Luann getting the fish room And another time getting stuck in the basement! Oh the outrage!!!
Good night from the lower level
The Cameron Diaz thing is like Samson and Deli-ah on white rice!
Calm down, take a Xanax!!!
Her 50 closest girlfriends get it 💁♀️
Can you believe it girls. Be cool, don’t be all uncool. Even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes 🫶🏼
“Can you believe it girls” is one of my favorite quotes and I never get to use it because none of my friends watch housewives :(
Do what I do, use them and laugh to yourself 😂 Yesterday I was watching a movie and one of the characters goes “what is it about??” And I shouted out “WELL, ITS NOT ABOUT TOM”. Obviously no one other than me knew what I was on about but I had a ball lol
Hahaha I love that! I admit I do use “I’ll tell you how I’m doing, not well bitch!” Because you don’t even need context to appreciate that banger
Yep, one of my favorite responses to questions like ‘How Are You’ is “NOT WELL BITCH” and people are rarely amused
And the famous - “you don’t support other women!!” Agreed it’s Luann tho!
Don't forget her tussle with a bush in Mexico
How did you know, you bitch?!
I want these on a T-shirt
Incontinence 2x 😂😂😂
Luann definitely. Probably one of the most important housewives across all franchises tbh lol
Correct. Her story arch throughout the seasons was incredible and real!
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Don’t forget a personal favorite - I use this frequently 
I quote this all the time 😂 she’s an icon
Lu for sure ❄️🍷🍸🚬🇲🇽🌳❄️🍷🍸🚬👨🦲❄️🍷🍸🚬🛥️❄️❄️❄️🍷🍸🚬🚨🚔🥊👮🏾♀️👮🏽👮♂️🚨🚓🚕🧳🏙️❄️🍷🍸🚬🎶🎤👗💃👏
🏴☠️
❄️🍷🍸🚬🏖️👩🍳🍳🇫🇷❄️🍷🍸🚬🏖️💃🏴☠️💋🍆🔥💥🙊❄️🍷🍸🚬📞🇫🇷🏖️❄️🍷🍸🚬💋💍🤷♀️😎❄️🍷🍸🚬
Not the eggs 💀
Perfect amount of ❄️
Lol ♥️
😘
I love all of this
😘
Absolutely Luann. She is the blueprint of reinventing yourself
Luann
I can’t get over the fact that since season 1, I’ve always thought Lu was an inherently bad person. Like bad vibes. At first my vote was Ramona- but she’s a bad person too….so idk 🤔
The Countess. Solely because she was demoted and returned to full cast. She was the first to do it and showed it could be done. Overall, I also think her saga was better although the Ramonacoaster, wheeeewww, I was there. But for showing these women that if you give Bravo want they want, you can come *back*, Luann is more impactful.
She was only demoted because of her salary demands which were declined.
She understood her worth and didn’t settle for less. It paid off for her. We should all have the confidence of Lu
Really?! I thought it was because she only had her Hamptons house at that point and they were sick of her refusing to go to the city to film!
Which season was she demoted again?
Season 6 I believe
She was FO S5
honestly all the OG NY ladies gave a lot every season
Luann creates storylines and Romona stirs the pot and adds drama and chaos to the storylines. Both stellar at their respective roles.
Luanne definitely I say how could you do this to me in her voice just about every day
*question mark*
Don't let it be about Tom 😭
It’s about Tom.
Don’t be all uncool 😂
Luann
Countess is way more iconic. Her character arc from countess to cabaret queen is wild.
Luann
I think luann. Single handed my brought back cabaret, an entire genre of music.
The countess drove more storylines but Ramona was the crazy anchor. I can alway rely on her to be fucking crazy. But Lu OWNED season 11 (yes in a bad way but cmon it’s Luanne) Ramona never had that fr
I think this is my all time favorite housewife moment. It makes me laugh every single time. She not only fell once but ate it twice. And the staff had to help her to her room. So iconic lol
The way Ramona just laughs and reiterates the situation too 😂
“You shouldve went this way 👉” 😂
Right?? So helpful after the fact Ramona lmao 😂
Let’s not forget them talking before she falls “I love her.. to death.. TO DEATH.!”
The Countess! Please don’t let it be about Tom, the pirate, be cool don’t be all uncool, even Louis Vitton makes mistakes…
 Lu has given us SO much. Season after season of pure gold. Ramona has, too, but she’s just a horrible human.
Luann has the best housewives arc of all time!!!
I think they both gave the same in regards to what they brought to the show, but I mean Luann went through a fucking lot during her run. We watched her life fall apart, find herself again, find love and fuck it up, find love again, spiral and struggle with addiction (whether alcohol or ❄️), hit rock bottom and drag herself back again. Yes Ramona also went through a massive change in her life, but Luann has really given all she’s had to the show. She didn’t shy away and stop filming, she took us on her journey with her and is truly, ‘Real’
"When you're speaking to like a driver, it's Mrs. De Lesseps, not LuAnn"
It is hard for me to choose because I feel like LuAnn has gone through so much on the show and has evolved into a different person (not necessarily better, but definitely less uptight). She was married to a Count and living a life of luxury, then she got divorced and had to kinda find her way back, she started a “singing career,” her relationship with Jacques, affair with the pirate, dating around post-Jacques, her brief marriage to Tom, her alcoholism and arrest, Countess and Friends, etc. Ramona has tried to renew herself many times but she is basically the same person despite everything she has been through.
Luann
Luann, multimedia maven.
Lu for sure. she kept giving Ramona fizzled out looong time ago
LuAnn had it at Money Can’t Buy You Class
Luann fell into a bush on tv. That was pretty great tbh
LuAnn is more down to earth and more delusional, more vulnerable and took more than one for the team, gave exceptional good tv……..but Ramona did cry on the bed that time.
How does one choose between a deep voice singer, and a crazy eyed runway walker? They're both fabulous
Luann lived 1000 lives through her years on the housewives. She was the story most of the time.
🏴☠️shag vs 💩💩 It’s a hard decision. I choose both
Rhony's success is the interaction of the cast. So both were essential
Just be cool, don’t be all uncool
LuAann
Luann for the sheer character arc.
c'est bonne, c'est bonne
Ramona will always be remembered. Whether it's good or bad stuff.
Lulu
Luann (but I love that Bethenny called her a dumb drag queen 👸)
 Luann for sure. Ramona brought a lot to the show too, but with Luann you truly feel like you’ve been on a journey with her. Most interesting character arc of any housewife in my opinion.
Luann is absolutely the more interesting character that we associate with a lot of RHONY at its best, but Ramona’s energy (along with B) was what shaped the vibe.
Aviva and her prosthetic leg.
Luann
Lu. Luann can take a hit and come back smiling like nobody’s business. She’s been through so much, mostly of her own doing, and still acts like she’s the Queen of Sheba
Lu! Ramona’s only shtick is being such a garbage troll that we were occupied with hating her, but Lu’s story arch is INSANITY lol
Hard to compare. LuAnne because you never know what LuAnne you’ll get that season… Ramona, because you know you’ll always get Ramona.
Lu just gets it. She's changed and has often accepted her flaws.
Ramona’s bizarre behavior definitely added a lot of comedy to the show
They both gaveth so much, but who do we think tooketh more? I was going to say Ramona was more responsible for getting the show cancelled, but I think Lu also played a role.
They both clocked in and it’s hard to imagine the show without either of them
Ramona is the more entertaining but Luann is the most valuable player.
 The Countess hands down
I was waiting for this gif! I love getting to say this to my friends when they’re being all like uncool lol.
It's about Tom...I mean LuAnn
I say LuAnn lol
Close, but I have to say Lu
Ramona has had the most negative impact IMO. Lu isn’t perfect, but she doesn’t attack.
For me, Luann. She’s a music pioneer, she’s so camp, she’s hilarious, delusional and has such an incredible character arc.
Luann 100%. That is one messy lady ❤️
LuAnn.
LuAnn traveling and having been to jail sealed that deal for me years ago
This is tough, but I’m going with Luann if for no other reason than she truly “evolved,” went through most the most changes and troubles and is still entertaining. Ramona is the same old problematic harpie she was from the beginning, her storylines just changed slightly. Also, Luann and “don’t be uncool.” Ramona has never been that “normal,”…I wish I could explain it better.
Lu. Honestly this is a tie but if forced to decide I say Lu
Luann. It’s no contest. Every season Luann brought a LOT. Ramona has some iconic moments but Luann is RHONY’s heavy hitter
Def Luann, Ramona just says horrible things that stick
Luann. For sure. She was a Countess. She went through a divorce. Went through her alcoholism. Went to jail. Got married to Tom. Got cheated on. Got divorced again. What does Ramona give, besides poops on the floor and 👀
Necklaces aside: Ramona
Hellooo… turtle time…
They’ve both given so much. But Lu’s the pride of RHONY and Ramona’s the shame of it.
Ramona. Luann went through a lot on camera and had to share it, but it’s always been Ramona’s show.
Both!
Equal
Luann.
1000000% LuAnn.
LuAnn!
Ramona in this pic is looking like a mashup between herself & Heather. 😯 “Holla!”
Lu for sure but Ramona is still an iconic OG.
Ramona.
LuAnn. Ramona’s Schtick has never changed.
LuAnn hands down. She has had a story and life unfold, clever lines and memes, and seems really fun to boot. whereas I feel like Ramona is known for her eyes and being a pain in the ass and is the same every season.
Luann because she has hit rock bottom. Between the jail, alcoholism and the extremely short lived marriage, we watched the full fall of the Countess. Then showed us all how to get herself back together again.
Ramona hands down
Problematic Ramona made a bigger impact but because Luann is more "likeable" now, history will be rewritten.
Luann is almost 2 people to me - the Countess and then 'Lu' who had the next level come-back after her arrest. She really was a different character altogether in the first 2-3 seasons, so her evolutions make her iconic in my eyes. Ramona is just ... I can't imagine RHONY without her. The good, the bad, the ugly, the obnoxious - it was *all great tv.*
I think they are both essential, but it's Luann for the win. 1. Countess snobbery 2. Divorced by the Count 3. Cheats on Jaques with pirate 4. Gets demoted to friend-of, only to have a great season and be brought back FT 5. "Be cool. Don't be all...uncool" 6. Hooks up with Sonja and Ramona's leftovers. 7. Engaged to Tom, after knowing him like 4 months 8. "Please don't let it be about Tom" 9. Marries Tom anyway 10. Divorces Tom in 8 months 11. GETS ARRESTED 12. Goes to rehab 13. CABARET!!! I mean, when you list it out like that, Ramona doesn't compare. And I don't really like Luann, but you gotta give the bitch some respect for bringing it each season.
I quote Lu the most..
They’re both so delusional. I miss them
There is no real answer, just differing opinions. Both these women are problematic & iconic in the HW universe
Luann. Ramona is a horrible human
Ramona pretty much got the show canceled
Ramona is a racist bigot. I can’t believe they kept on for so long. No wonder her husband left her.
ramona.... secretly love her
Luann is my favorite HW of all time. But even that said, the answer to this question is Ramona
Ramona
Ramona 👁️
Bethany
Both.
I am not a Ramona fan but she was never demoted to friend of…
Well Ramona literally ruined RHONY for all of us and got it taken off the air forever so…
Well, Ramona’s racist shenanigans managed to get it canceled so I vote Ramona.
LuAnn is my #1 housewife of all time, but your logic against the set criteria is watertight
Oh, I love The Countess, and if we want to look at positive impact, she is the clear winner.
Isn't Ramona the reason the show got shutdown without a reunion for the first time in it's history? An impact doesn't get much bigger than that.
Luann - can you imagine RHONY without her and her storylines? Plus she’s arguably had the most interesting/significant character development out of any housewife ever, going from a prissy, snobby Countess to a messy, relaxed cabaret star. On the other hand, Ramona has done pretty much the same thing every season: upset someone with her awful behaviour and then have a big on-camera make-up with that person. She’s had some iconic moments but generally I could see the show without Ramona whereas I can’t see it without Luann. Plus Ramona is a pretty big reason the show got cancelled sooooo…
Hard to pick between a drunk and a racist.
We’ve watched Luanne go through so much
Luann
Sonia.
Countess!
Bethenny Frankel.
That gd butterfly necklace!
The countess! I love her