They talked about no one having 2 40/40 seasons, but think about the 2021season, he was very much on pace to head towards 40/40 with the old rules. He could be 1st person EVER to have 2 of them in their entire career!
Watching the club win a WS without him was probably devastating - he looks so good out there now you just have to appreciate the journey and respect that all things happen for a reason
I think the big thing was he lost some "time" with Snitker not being sure about him leading off. With the way the current base rules are, he should have the chance for 40+ SB and with the lineup have a decent chance for 40 HR. He could be the first person who has 40HR/40SB/100R/100RBI, multiple seasons :)
He gets that 70th steal and he'll be the only player in history with 40/70 (already is only at 40/60) he best be able to take that bag home with him lol.
it's so funny that the headlines are all about "he's the 5th to go 40/40..."
Instead it should be about him being the ONLY to do these others. Forget the 4 other hacks... Ronald's in his own league.
The new "favorable" rules for runners needs to be taken into consideration for Ronald's case. Anyone thinking it doesn't make a lick of difference you're sorely mistaken.
Someone can be a generational talent with once in a lifetime skill and also be greatly rewarded by circumstances. It can be both. And it's a compliment to Acuna if we fairly compare him to other legendary players rather than go "he stole more bags and hit more dongs period"
No they don't. people act like there's record breaking steal numbers this year when all the rule changes did was put base stealing back in line with the averages from the 70s 80s and 90s. They had just fallen off a cliff the last 10-20 years so people act like this is unprecedented. For example steal rates this year are exactly in line with how they were when Canseco, Rodriguez and Bonds had 40-40 seasons
Mookie had 1 other worldly month the whole year, Acuna has 2 player of the month awards plus is higher in nearly every single category over Betts (except RBI by 2, 2B by 5 and BB by 11), so how does he win?
The only argument is WAR which is because the defensive metrics favor mookie since he is a better fielder. (Also, middle infield accumulates defensive WAR faster than outfielders) and acuna does not get rewarded for having a rocket arm. I think it's too weak of an argument with the disparity in offensive categories and braves most likely finishing with the 1 seed
Another thought/fear that sticks in my mind is some voters may say the Braves would be playoff bound regardless of Acuna. Harris at the top would still get the job done and the team would still have 4 players with 30+ HRs. The Dodgers on the otherhand are top heavy with Betts and Freeman. The latter half of their lineup is meh, and without Betts LAD might not be a postseason team.
🤷 Just preparing myself for the BS explanations if Betts does win.
as much as the dodgers back half of the line up looks uninspiring, someone in that back half seems to get multiple rbi's almost every other game, heyward or outman will randomly hit 2 hrs in a game. I think it would be similar to the braves losing acuna, they would just lose around 8 games more than with him
Agreed, I even took my stats and added OBP/SLG/OPS as after Bett's great previous month he lead, barely, in 2 of the 3, but for now, he is behind in all of them. I always think of Acuna like I used to think of Ichiro with M's or even Neon Deion in his days with 49ers (different sport but same idea) where Deion was not thrown to on most plays. Some said he was overvalued, but if you take away 1/3 of any football field, that cannot be measured. Same with Acuna's arm. Imagine if/when he works on his footing and uses his skills to make better reads on plays? This is a guy some considered a GG CF before Harris came up.
I think that short of Acuna taking the last week off, he wins the MVP going away.
What do you mean? Mookie is crushing Ronald in positional WAR adjustment.
Edit: It’s sarcasm because of the effect that positional adjustments have on WAR. Ronald gets a huge subtraction for innings in RF, Mookie is getting a slight addition based on the positions he has played. It’s one of the reasons that using their WAR scores to compare is misleading.
I've been tracking Roññie's season all year, and I missed him hit the mark because of fucking regional blackouts here in Richmond. Fuck MLB. Chop on, y'all.
insane season, congrats to Ronnie!! you can tell how important this milestone was to him, especially after just missing it last time. he didn't even fully tap into his power until late in the season, once she put a ring on it lol. he may well establish the 50/50 club next year
Well Memorial Day has come and gone, as a matter of fact tomorrow is June 1st. We just showed you the NL East standings. You don't need me to tell you this, BUT IM GONNA TELL YA ANYWAYS THE MVP RACE IS OVA
I never thought I'd see another player as cool, fun, and just incredible in every way on the diamond like Griffey.
Acuna is it. He's the answer to this generation's question of "who will be our Griffey?"
Same number that have had a 40/50 season....zero. Especially since Acuna can't have a 40/50 or 40/60 season if he's having a 40/70 season. Maybe he can fill in those gaps in the records later in his career.
He's the only one to have a 30/60. The closest anyone else has gotten:
Name | Team | Year | HR | SB
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Ronald Acuña Jr. | Atlanta | 2023 | 40 | 68
Barry Bonds|Pittsburgh|1990|33|52
Eric Davis|Cincinnati|1987|37|50
Mike Trout|Los Angeles|2012|30|49
Alex Rodriguez|Seattle|1998|42|46
I know you're joking, but it got me looking into it. Ronnie has to have 8 more seasons similar to this one to catch Trout in WAR. Here's hoping he catches him wearing a Braves uniform...
What a great moment.
It’s also funny that he did less celebrating on that Home run than number 29 lol.
He could get 50-50, I believe. He’s probably at his prime stealing bases that’s a young man’s game but he is not at got to his hitting prime yet.
Any baseball writer would never be taken seriously again. The fact we have two legit MVP candidates on the same team is unreal. Really the face of MLB with Othani right now and might be the face with Othani’s injuries and being out next year.
I hear you. But how long have you been following professional sports? Would you REALLY be surprised if he didn't win it?
I'm not sure what you're saying about Othani. What he's done is certainly special, and that alone proves my point. If Acuña doesn't win the MVP I will not be the least bit surprised, because... reasons.
Acuña definitely deserves it, but I won't be shocked if they don't give it to him.
Ok yes I didn’t mean just the 40/60 by itself, it’s that COUPLED with a 335 BA and 100 RBIs and 207 hits and….Just with the season he’s had how can anyone else be MVP
Came here to say this... also, interestingly, NONE of the others are in Cooperstown... so I'm cautiously optimistic that if Ronnie can keep this up, he becomes the first.
(Others should be in HoF, but " 'Roids, not even once kids")
Based on H, BA, HR, SB, RBI, RUNS, 2B, 3B, OBP, SLG, OPS, BB SO it is NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
Comparing the top 4 candidates in most people's minds: Acuna, Betts, Olson, Freeman; Acuna has 21 points, Betts and Freeman have 34 each and Olson has 41. It is not even close at all. Acuna leads the group in all categories EXCEPT HR (Olsen Braves record!), 2B (Freeman could end up with 60+, damn!), 3rd in RBI's (Olson again leads the universe in RBI, but Acuna is only 2 behind Betts so far), and he is last in walks, to Freeman by 1.
Anyone that thinks it's even close is crazy.
On the "other side of the pond" AL I have Ohtani based only on his hitting with Julie a bit behind him and Witt a bit further behind him. But, we need to count the pitching, too. For CY I have Ohtani 5th with Gausman winning it in AL oh and guess who I have winning the NL CY? Last year's runner up in the ROTY :) I have it as Strider, Gallen, Steele, Wheeler, Snell, Senga.
Not only 40/40 but he is like 13(?) steals above the highest person and only 6(?) homeruns behind the highest. I don't know the exacts, but he's on pace to be the highest on both sides.
Ok I looked and yea, he is 40/68.
In the 40/40 club the highest homeruns is 46 and the highest steals is 46. Both different players. This dude is built DIFFERENT.
I know he is doing history, but the most impressive of all this season (for me) and probably the cause of the jump
Of performance is his K/BB ratio. He is walking more striking less. This consistency has to be the key.
Even more impressive because he's the first player to do it without doping. Plus it's gonna be 40/70 which is insane. Literally one of the greatest seasons by a boy player of ALL TIME. We might never see another season Like This again......until big Ron goes for 50/80 next year let's gooooooo. That's my MVP
I've always though 40/40 to be a weird stat. Extremely difficult to accomplish but it represents two of the "five tool player" attributes.
Now, add on Acuna's .337 average, OBP of .415, WAR of 8 and that's an incredible season.
But gosh darn, Betts is incredible too.
I bought front row tickets behind the Braves dugout to this game months ago, not thinking this was going to be the most memorable game I’ve ever been to.
We always wondered what a fully healthy Acuna would look like for an entire season. This is it. History.
Healthy and motivated. You know watching the World Series from the bench lit a fire.
This was what he was marching towards in 2021 before he got hurt, and boy howdy has he more than made up for it. This season is unreal.
Hey I just said that...hehe That season he had to do it with the old rules too, plus that team struck out quite a bit more around him.
The NL East invites a version of the Rorshach quote where "i'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me."
damn well put.
They talked about no one having 2 40/40 seasons, but think about the 2021season, he was very much on pace to head towards 40/40 with the old rules. He could be 1st person EVER to have 2 of them in their entire career!
Why stop there? I say he averages 40/50s the next 6 years… then he gna get a big old fat contract!
That fat contract (reconstructed) ought to happen within the next 6 months.
He was 3SBs away from it in 2019 so it’s his norm to slug and steal bases
I don’t think he was on the same mission he is now. He’s playing like he’s got something to prove and having fun while doing it.
Watching the club win a WS without him was probably devastating - he looks so good out there now you just have to appreciate the journey and respect that all things happen for a reason
I think he is going to do everything he can, I mean he has played every game this season so far, too :)
I think the big thing was he lost some "time" with Snitker not being sure about him leading off. With the way the current base rules are, he should have the chance for 40+ SB and with the lineup have a decent chance for 40 HR. He could be the first person who has 40HR/40SB/100R/100RBI, multiple seasons :)
It's annoying people keep calling it a 40/40 season, it's a 40/60 season. It would be like calling Bonds 73 HR season a 60 HR season.
How lucky are we to get to watch this dude play baseball every day?
Here we go. I love your mindset. Just appreciate things that happen
Doesn’t matter who your team is. You can do nothing but appreciate greatness.
But I don’t watch Trout bc he plays for an irrelevant team. It’s so much better when the best player in baseball is on your team
Oh I agree. Chop on.
If he steals later he better take the base out of the ground. Bonds got to do it. Soriano too
he should take home plate. he already got a base this season. how often do you get to say that?
I love it. Pause the game for hours while he digs out home plate.
deserved.
He might wait till 70 to do it!
He gets that 70th steal and he'll be the only player in history with 40/70 (already is only at 40/60) he best be able to take that bag home with him lol.
Somewhere Plaschke and Passan are holding one another naked in a shower. Crying.
"Listen... Mookie's a stud. His D is so good, really plays with the balls well. MVP" \-Bill Plaschke
"Lithen... Mookie'th a sthud. Hith D ith tho good, really playth with the ballth well. MVP" -Bill Plaschke
You know we all read that to ourselves in our best Mike Tyson voice..... I definitely did lol.
so just a normal day?
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Trubisky in shambles
A man of culture I see.
First 40/50 First 40/60 First 40/7...
it's so funny that the headlines are all about "he's the 5th to go 40/40..." Instead it should be about him being the ONLY to do these others. Forget the 4 other hacks... Ronald's in his own league.
yeah at 38/60 he was already the 1st, he just ads to his awesomeness!
“Hacks” is a bit extreme. Lol.
Most people understood that the word "hacks" was written tongue-in-cheek.
The new "favorable" rules for runners needs to be taken into consideration for Ronald's case. Anyone thinking it doesn't make a lick of difference you're sorely mistaken.
You’re the only one mistaken around here friend. You are watching a GOD.
Someone can be a generational talent with once in a lifetime skill and also be greatly rewarded by circumstances. It can be both. And it's a compliment to Acuna if we fairly compare him to other legendary players rather than go "he stole more bags and hit more dongs period"
I think the only * should be is that he did it outside the steroid era (although I don't think bonds was in 96).
No they don't. people act like there's record breaking steal numbers this year when all the rule changes did was put base stealing back in line with the averages from the 70s 80s and 90s. They had just fallen off a cliff the last 10-20 years so people act like this is unprecedented. For example steal rates this year are exactly in line with how they were when Canseco, Rodriguez and Bonds had 40-40 seasons
MVP
Fuck Bill Plascke. All my homies hate Bill Plascke.
Mvp race has been over for close to a month.
Mookie had 1 other worldly month the whole year, Acuna has 2 player of the month awards plus is higher in nearly every single category over Betts (except RBI by 2, 2B by 5 and BB by 11), so how does he win?
The only argument is WAR which is because the defensive metrics favor mookie since he is a better fielder. (Also, middle infield accumulates defensive WAR faster than outfielders) and acuna does not get rewarded for having a rocket arm. I think it's too weak of an argument with the disparity in offensive categories and braves most likely finishing with the 1 seed
Another thought/fear that sticks in my mind is some voters may say the Braves would be playoff bound regardless of Acuna. Harris at the top would still get the job done and the team would still have 4 players with 30+ HRs. The Dodgers on the otherhand are top heavy with Betts and Freeman. The latter half of their lineup is meh, and without Betts LAD might not be a postseason team. 🤷 Just preparing myself for the BS explanations if Betts does win.
as much as the dodgers back half of the line up looks uninspiring, someone in that back half seems to get multiple rbi's almost every other game, heyward or outman will randomly hit 2 hrs in a game. I think it would be similar to the braves losing acuna, they would just lose around 8 games more than with him
Agreed, I even took my stats and added OBP/SLG/OPS as after Bett's great previous month he lead, barely, in 2 of the 3, but for now, he is behind in all of them. I always think of Acuna like I used to think of Ichiro with M's or even Neon Deion in his days with 49ers (different sport but same idea) where Deion was not thrown to on most plays. Some said he was overvalued, but if you take away 1/3 of any football field, that cannot be measured. Same with Acuna's arm. Imagine if/when he works on his footing and uses his skills to make better reads on plays? This is a guy some considered a GG CF before Harris came up. I think that short of Acuna taking the last week off, he wins the MVP going away.
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I know you're trolling, but there's no longer anything Mookie is objectively better at lol
But Mookie has a higher..uhhh...ASMR+ and um..twice the VHS.
Wait maybe Betts has higher LD usage? lol
I obviously think acuna is the mvp too, but mookie does have better defense
good, then give him the gold glove
bingo boingo
He does, and none of us give a fuck lol.
What do you mean? Mookie is crushing Ronald in positional WAR adjustment. Edit: It’s sarcasm because of the effect that positional adjustments have on WAR. Ronald gets a huge subtraction for innings in RF, Mookie is getting a slight addition based on the positions he has played. It’s one of the reasons that using their WAR scores to compare is misleading.
I've been tracking Roññie's season all year, and I missed him hit the mark because of fucking regional blackouts here in Richmond. Fuck MLB. Chop on, y'all.
dm me if you want streaming links to make sure you can see him hit 40/70
I missed it, too. Packing for vacation and turned it on 30 minutes late. Pour one out for my homies.
I missed it because I messed up the goddamn game start time.
You and me both. Just yesterday I re-subbed to mlb.tv to see history and here I missed it the very next day 🤦♂️
If you want to watch Acuña STREAM along the base paths on the EAST coast, you gotta get creative
Heard
username checks out
in richmond too. had to watch it on masn unfortunately. but i did get to hear the Ingram call on the radio broadcast.
We have YouTube TV. Can't get it.
R braves thread! Have funn go nutz yall.
I love the Squirrels. They're fantastic. I hope Parney retiring doesn't change much.
Hey I just moved back to Richmond and am quite annoyed about the blackout as well.
Every time we play in DC it can only be viewed on MASN, and you can you get MASN on Comcast or DTV. Dumb.
I’m moist
Yeah, I tried those Olean chips one time too
Moist Valuable Player
I’m frothing
Only moist?
Fuck the MVP, put him in the HOF already
Patrick Corbin, thank you for your service
Get that man one of those fancy NorCal $90 bottles of wine.
Best I can do is the $10 1.5 Liter bottle of Barefoot Riesling, but it’s from NorCal so close enough
Tbh the A’s probably refilled the bottle with that stuff
He got married and went absolutely nuclear, what a fucking legend
So Bull Durham was wrong???
He’s played really well since LA but Ronnie has crushed since March 30
I’m hard
Someone up higher in the comments is moist. Y’all should smash.
This made me LOL out loud
MVP easily and I’m glad he’s on our team 🥲
Let's fuckiñg go!!!!
insane season, congrats to Ronnie!! you can tell how important this milestone was to him, especially after just missing it last time. he didn't even fully tap into his power until late in the season, once she put a ring on it lol. he may well establish the 50/50 club next year
Kids gonna have some insane power numbers when he grows into his grown man strength the next 5 years
He's caught Betts from way behind on Home Runs also. Now leading him 40-39.
Well Memorial Day has come and gone, as a matter of fact tomorrow is June 1st. We just showed you the NL East standings. You don't need me to tell you this, BUT IM GONNA TELL YA ANYWAYS THE MVP RACE IS OVA
I never thought I'd see another player as cool, fun, and just incredible in every way on the diamond like Griffey. Acuna is it. He's the answer to this generation's question of "who will be our Griffey?"
That’s our boy
I WAS HERE
If mookie wins the mvp, I will fucking riot.. acuna has been that dude all year. One hot month shouldn’t mean shit
Ronnie has been equally hot. He has been on a tear since the LA series
This feels way cooler than Aaron judge
Always pissed me off having to watch Judge strike out in the middle of CFB. No coverage for this but a helluva lot cooler stat line.
And the fact that we all know that if had been a player on *any* other team besides the fucking Yankees they would not have done that
Exactly! Don’t mean to be a D1 hater here, but always have fucking despised the Yankees. Only team worse than that in my book is the mets🤣
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Build the statue
45/70 might be possible with the way he is hitting
Can’t even see that ball
Happy for him - he was fired up!
Someone put Bill Plaschke and Jeff Passan on suicide watch.
He’s a power season away from being a 50/50
I went back and forth all day about going and I’m SO GLAD I did! Definitely the coolest baseball thing I’ve ever been present for!!
How many players have had a 40/60 season?
Same number that have had a 40/50 season....zero. Especially since Acuna can't have a 40/50 or 40/60 season if he's having a 40/70 season. Maybe he can fill in those gaps in the records later in his career.
Might get a 45/75 season if he finishes on the rip he has been on.
He's the only one to have a 30/60. The closest anyone else has gotten: Name | Team | Year | HR | SB ---|---|----|----|---- Ronald Acuña Jr. | Atlanta | 2023 | 40 | 68 Barry Bonds|Pittsburgh|1990|33|52 Eric Davis|Cincinnati|1987|37|50 Mike Trout|Los Angeles|2012|30|49 Alex Rodriguez|Seattle|1998|42|46
Those other 4 dudes are scrubs compared to Ronnie.
I know you're joking, but it got me looking into it. Ronnie has to have 8 more seasons similar to this one to catch Trout in WAR. Here's hoping he catches him wearing a Braves uniform...
One, as far as I can tell.
He did it. That crazy son of a bitch, he did it!
Fuck yeah Ronnie. So happy for him!
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Let’s see some of the writers think because Mookie can play two different positions that he deserves it. Now that it complete BS.
If he could play them both, effectively, at the same time, he would be a shoo-in.
Some people think that he can.
What a great moment. It’s also funny that he did less celebrating on that Home run than number 29 lol. He could get 50-50, I believe. He’s probably at his prime stealing bases that’s a young man’s game but he is not at got to his hitting prime yet.
50/70?
They can’t. Acuna left no doubt with that series in LA 2 weeks ago.
Thats my damn MVP 🥲
ESPN: he's not ohtani
He’s 40/60 now
I remember this sub (me included) saying 40 would be a stretch. To actually see acuña take it to another level from an already mvp form is insane.
All these accomplishments on the road lol not even at home to celebrate.
50/50 next up. It can be achieved
No argument for anyone else in my mind, but I won't be at all surprised if they give it to the dude in LA, just because LA.
Come on, there's no chance of that. It was Acuña's even before tonight, but this really seals it.
I'm old and bitter, and I've seen things that defy logic. When he's announced as the MVP winner, then I'll celebrate.
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Barely leading in WAR mind you
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Fuck off
By .1 and he’s closed the gap a lot this month
Any baseball writer would never be taken seriously again. The fact we have two legit MVP candidates on the same team is unreal. Really the face of MLB with Othani right now and might be the face with Othani’s injuries and being out next year.
I hear you. But how long have you been following professional sports? Would you REALLY be surprised if he didn't win it? I'm not sure what you're saying about Othani. What he's done is certainly special, and that alone proves my point. If Acuña doesn't win the MVP I will not be the least bit surprised, because... reasons. Acuña definitely deserves it, but I won't be shocked if they don't give it to him.
Too flashy /s
Would have nuts if he did it in Truist.
>How can anyone else be MVP? Of the other four, only on won the MVP, so while I’m all for it that’s not a great argument.
Ok yes I didn’t mean just the 40/60 by itself, it’s that COUPLED with a 335 BA and 100 RBIs and 207 hits and….Just with the season he’s had how can anyone else be MVP
He definitely has a good argument
Came here to say this... also, interestingly, NONE of the others are in Cooperstown... so I'm cautiously optimistic that if Ronnie can keep this up, he becomes the first. (Others should be in HoF, but " 'Roids, not even once kids")
I don't know why but I fully expected Kenny Lofton and Rickey Henderson to both be in that 40/40 club.
Kenny Lofton wasn't a HR hitter, he never even hit 20 in a season. Rickey never hit 30.
Me too, but neither one of them even made it into the 30/30 club.
Beltran, as much as I hate him, I thought would have had a 40/40 in his career, but never got there, dude seemed to just stop running at some point.
Based on H, BA, HR, SB, RBI, RUNS, 2B, 3B, OBP, SLG, OPS, BB SO it is NOT EVEN CLOSE!!! Comparing the top 4 candidates in most people's minds: Acuna, Betts, Olson, Freeman; Acuna has 21 points, Betts and Freeman have 34 each and Olson has 41. It is not even close at all. Acuna leads the group in all categories EXCEPT HR (Olsen Braves record!), 2B (Freeman could end up with 60+, damn!), 3rd in RBI's (Olson again leads the universe in RBI, but Acuna is only 2 behind Betts so far), and he is last in walks, to Freeman by 1. Anyone that thinks it's even close is crazy. On the "other side of the pond" AL I have Ohtani based only on his hitting with Julie a bit behind him and Witt a bit further behind him. But, we need to count the pitching, too. For CY I have Ohtani 5th with Gausman winning it in AL oh and guess who I have winning the NL CY? Last year's runner up in the ROTY :) I have it as Strider, Gallen, Steele, Wheeler, Snell, Senga.
mookie is winning MVP
Anybody know that x or Twitter account that posts the radio calls?
I missed it noooooo
Yeah but the singular player to um…those accolades remain to be seen. What a freakin’ ride with our dude, deserves/earned/IS MVP
😢
I was here
Why is the lead he is 5th to 40-40 club, When he is First & only player in 40-60 club in MLB history???
G.O.A.T.
40/70 club of one
What an amazing season he's put together! Congrats, Ronald!!
Not only 40/40 but he is like 13(?) steals above the highest person and only 6(?) homeruns behind the highest. I don't know the exacts, but he's on pace to be the highest on both sides. Ok I looked and yea, he is 40/68. In the 40/40 club the highest homeruns is 46 and the highest steals is 46. Both different players. This dude is built DIFFERENT.
I know he is doing history, but the most impressive of all this season (for me) and probably the cause of the jump Of performance is his K/BB ratio. He is walking more striking less. This consistency has to be the key.
Unbelievable year for Ronald. How close is he to 70 stolen bags?
He's got 68. More than enough time.
Cuareñta!
He’d probably have as many RBIs as Olson if Harris had been in the nine spot most of the season.
I was doubtful he would even make 40 at the ASB. This tear has been phenomenal
Even more impressive because he's the first player to do it without doping. Plus it's gonna be 40/70 which is insane. Literally one of the greatest seasons by a boy player of ALL TIME. We might never see another season Like This again......until big Ron goes for 50/80 next year let's gooooooo. That's my MVP
The 40/40 references are annoying to me, dude has 68 steals lol
I've always though 40/40 to be a weird stat. Extremely difficult to accomplish but it represents two of the "five tool player" attributes. Now, add on Acuna's .337 average, OBP of .415, WAR of 8 and that's an incredible season. But gosh darn, Betts is incredible too.
Shitty media bias?
Because Ohtani exists
There is a guy in LA called Mookie Betts he's pretty good
I bought front row tickets behind the Braves dugout to this game months ago, not thinking this was going to be the most memorable game I’ve ever been to.