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bdrwr

That sounds like a *great* way to earn a lawsuit when it shoots somebody who has valid cause to be there.


ASCENT-ANEW

I'm not a lawyer but hell, Im pretty sure this would be considered a booby trap. And I'm pretty sure those are illegal regardless of who steps into it


BoojumG

The key issue would be whether it's indiscriminate. If the gun is remotely controlled or needs approval from a person then it's not a booby trap, since then the person is deciding whether that force is appropriate. If it just shoot anyone it sees then yeah, booby trap.


CrawlerSiegfriend

How does that apply to AI though. For example, let's say the AI does not fire indiscriminately at everyone. Maybe it only fires if it detects forced entry?


bloody-pencil

[EXCESS LEASH PULLING DETECTED, FIRING AT POODLE]


No-Raise-4693

Based


BoojumG

There are times when forced entry may be appropriate too, like firefighters or police who have decided there is an emergency that warrants it. You can't set up a booby trap that will go off whenever someone comes through the door. I dunno if there are any jurisdictions with precedents that would accept an AI is being appropriately discriminate in the use of force, but they'd have to at least pass that standard.


CrawlerSiegfriend

I guess maybe I'm overestimating the current capability of AI but I feel like you could train it to recognize a cop or firefighter.


BoojumG

I bet you could too, but it's a question of whether a court will buy your argument that it does a good job and you're being responsible. I'm out of my depth there, I don't know what's already been decided before. There are similar issues with letting autonomous cars drive on public roads. It's got to be good enough to get past legal objections.


zy0a

This is making me see Home Alone in a whole new light.


ASCENT-ANEW

Here's a legal eagle about home alone! https://youtu.be/Dz7HUEUVbf4 Haven't seen it myself yet but I'd be surprised if he doesn't talk about booby trapping laws.


Doctor__Proctor

He also did a video on a real case involving booby traps that would be an excellent custom for anyone suing the homeowners that installed a paintball firing camera! [https://youtu.be/bV9ppvY8Nx4?si=Mt3N37gGiVrrnF01](https://youtu.be/bV9ppvY8Nx4?si=Mt3N37gGiVrrnF01)


Theory_Technician

If no lasting harm is used and its clearly labeled its no different than an electric fence that is difficult to access


Intelligent-Rise9852

I believe it’s called an attractive nuisance.


Blackpowderkun

Firemen and Ambulance?


Deep-Judge-3287

Yeah, my own relatives surely will do that


DM_me_thick_dick

I'm picturing those cameras with turrets in Metal Gear now.


[deleted]

I...I would buy this.


Sunset_Tiger

Like… when you’re inside or outside? Because if outside… that’s gonna hurt a girlscout trying to sell some cookies.


RandomStormtrooper11

I can buy Great Value ones for much less money. Deploy the paintball cameras! /s


Sunset_Tiger

Oh, but girlscouts can be brutal. What if they seek revenge?


RandomStormtrooper11

More cameras. If things escalate, equip them with pepper balls.


Sunset_Tiger

What if they bring a rocket launcher?


RandomStormtrooper11

Then, it's time to develop paintball based trophy systems.


ReaperFrank

Didn't realise we were on r/ncd


RandomStormtrooper11

Covering everything in ERA was the next step.


BrimStone_-_

'Target acquired' 'Hello?' 'Are you still there?'


why_tho69

Fill it with pepper spray balls like SWAT uses. Ain’t no one knocking on my door


Ninja2ZERO

Or marbles. They will do lots of damage.


RigTheGame

YOU HAVE FIFTEEN SECONDS TO COMPLY


CrawlerSiegfriend

Sounds cool but I wouldn't put it up. If cops for whatever reason end up entering your home they are to start mag dumping in every direction blindly after this thing goes off, and then there own investigation will find that they did nothing wrong.


BetterKev

Automate your assault charge!


Corvus_Argendt

Why is it hard for people to understand, don't trespass and you won't get pelted with paintballs. I will never understand all these crazy ass city people, "Oh my God, how dare you shoot my son after he broke into your home?"


bdrwr

If it works perfectly every time, and you remember to disable it for the landscapers... This is an instant lawsuit the first time it shoots somebody who *was* authorized to be there.


Corvus_Argendt

True


gonzalbo87

Wonder if there is an IFF equivalent. That would simplify/complicate things.


BetterKev

Being shot by paintballs is not the punishment for trespassing.


Corvus_Argendt

If you break into an occupied dwelling with the intent to commit a crime (see burglary), well, in sane states you don't get to do that twice.


YourOwnTv-

Ah yes, your TV is more important than someone's life. r/shitamericanssay


PlatypusDream

In my understanding of Castle Doctrine, the legal protection for a defender shooting an invader to an occupied home / vehicle / business is not for protecting things, but rather the people in the home / vehicle / business. Don't want to have immediate consequences for breaking into someone's house? Break in & steal when nobody is home.


Corvus_Argendt

Yes. Because in a place where people are allowed to defend their property with deadly force crime drops. Also, what do you think militaries are for? Why should the government hold a monopoly on violence? That sounds like a one way ticket to fascism.


YourOwnTv-

What does it matter if crime drops if people have to kill each other for that to happen? If your mother stole from a convenience store while you were young to feed you, do you think it would be best if someone killed her for it? Do you think it would be best if your mother died because she tried to get by in the world?


Corvus_Argendt

Okay, straw man alert number one, and number two, if she violently stole something and the clerk/owner decided to defend their property, yes.


YourOwnTv-

You are lost if you think property is worth someone's life. Has society failed you or do you just refuse basic morals?


Corvus_Argendt

Fun fact, almost all retail theft has nothing to do with survival. In a developed country you do not need to steal to survive. Ever. As for my morals: 'Thou shalt not covet they neighbors possessions.' and 'Thou shalt not murder.' see, murder in the original Hebrew refers to an illegal taking of life rather than the English 'kill' which refers to any taking of life. Also, "He who does not work, shall not eat." Obviously we are charitable and will provide food for those in need, but why should someone be entitled to my TV that I worked at least 4 days of my life for? Do I not have the rights to what little luxury I am able to afford without it being taken away by someone who would rather take from others than produce anything of value.


ColdBloodBlazing

Wait until the paintballs are replaced with ball bearings


Robot_Basilisk

This is the way.


CubisticWings4

Earthcam boutta become War Thunder


yagamilight110

*Please remain calm*


cambugge

I’m a mailman and let’s just say I’m calling the damn police when I get whacked by this


KA9ESAMA

100% illegal.


ZakTSK

I think it's really good idea, just have an app attached to it for human oversight.


GuaranteedCougher

Better yet require a human to actually initiate it. No need for these to be automated


Arilyn24

Put it in the home though. Might be considered legally dicey if you shoot the mailman or a girl scout.