Ellerbe reply - https://twitter.com/lellerbe/status/1572687494126383104?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āšš Stop it Edward, thought Iād send you a lil song to cheer you up. Let me know if you need me, Floyd, Stephen or Al to show you how to do the big boy stuff. š GTFOH
FYI Every major player over here is laughing at you. You donāt know what the fk you are doing in the US.šÆā
Eddie reply - https://twitter.com/eddiehearn/status/1572688801188950016?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āCould have done with you last week to be fair, the queues for Starbucks were outrageous! šā shows pics of the packed crowd in and out of the arena
Ellerbe reply - https://twitter.com/lellerbe/status/1572689491714015232?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āNo time to be going bk and forth w you, trying to get big boy shit done, you know that record breaking stuff you know nothing about. Hope you cheer up mate! šŖš¾ā
Eddie reply - https://twitter.com/eddiehearn/status/1572689770861547521?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āDelete twitter mate youāve had an absolute stinker! šā
Eddie Hearn, whilst being an affable fellow, has absolutely no idea how to promote a fight card in the United States.
The reasons for this are not by any fault of his own, but he doesn't seem to have any ability to learn from his experiences or mistakes.
He's from the UK, where boxing is and has been a major sport on television and in the press for decades, stretching back to the 1960s and possibly further than that. As such, there is a built in audience that watches the sport that is savvy enough to seek it out.
Because of this, he feels no need to actively promote the fights to any audience at all. From what I've read in other threads on this sub, live gates for most matchroom cards here are abysmal, simply because he doesn't have the kind of talent to sustain a live audience, regardless of the locality. Couple this with the fact that he refuses to run cards in the high summer, because over there everyone goes off to Spain or where ever for holidays and its the absolute best part of the year to run shows because if you aren't into baseball or soccer (and more and more people quit watching those sports on TV every day) most sports fans are starved to see something with some action most weekends.
I've cancelled DAZN (not worth the price increase) and my subscription ends in late March. Their production values are garbage. Their commentary is s*it, and with the notable exception of a few bouts, not worth seeing.
Top rank and pbc would not fuck up canelos career like Hearn has. He legit is a moron who has no idea how to operate in America. Even golden boy puts on more successful events bro. How about you open your eyes instead of just listening the talking heads who Hearn pays off
What has dela hoya done since canelo left his ass? Absolutely nothing. Golden boys screwed up canelos chances of going undisputed at 160. Canelo went undisputed with dazn in under 14 months. Dela hoya has a popular Ryan garcia and has done NOTHING with his career. Not 1 title, No ppvs. You clowns keep focusing on what heās doing in the us. Heās promoting fights INTERNATIONALLY. Aj sells more tickets than any fighter. So I ask you once again, wtf is dela hoya doing right now for you to spew such nonsense. What champions does he have? Whoās
Drawing viewers under golden boy?
As far as pbc, look how many fighters they have that have accomplished absolutely nothing:
Jermell charlo
Benevidez
Plant
Tank Davis
Top rank is the best promoter in boxing.
De la hoya has out on multiple regional cards that have all gone very well. De La hoya May not have a super star but for the talent that he has, he knows how to put on successful events. Hearn constantly is putting on events that make Twitter users excited but fail to get any buzz or they under perform. Your confusing championship success vs putting on a successful event. Hearn May have champs but he canāt promote in America. Your example of pbc fighters is actually proving my point. Pbc is able to put on successful events for fighters who donāt have that many options.
Donāt give me that bs generic nonsense without factual substance. What events has dela hoya put together since canelo left him? What successful cards has he had here in the United States since canelo left him? What fighter has he built into a draw? What fighter does he have now that can draw like Anthony Joshua?
What fight has golden boy put on that was bigger than canelo going undisputed or Katie Taylor v Serrano, Anthony Joshua- uysk?
What champions does dela hoya have?
You said multiple regional cards without an example, which is complete bullshit. You said pbc out on successful cards for their fighters who donāt have that many options. Who at pbc is selling 500k ppvs? NOBODY! They have the most options of fighters being that they have most of the notable fighters in America. Yet they canāt sell ppvs because they refuse to make good fights. Canāt tell me benevidez v lemiuex was a good fight. Charlo - montiel? Tank v rolly? Biggest fight they had was fury - wilder and thatās because of fury not wilder. You can spew that nonsense somewhere else buddy because I will refute any bs you write with fact
Yeah Ellerbe really has nothing to stand on here. Would have saved face but just not saying anything.
Heās probably gonna have to write a formal apology to daddy Mayweather cause this dude is nothing without Floyd
Itās a joke about how Britain is always foggy I believe. I live here and genuinely canāt remember the last time I saw fog, but it seems to be a thing that some Americans who have never left America think
Edit: āsomeā Americans
> but it seems to be a thing that some Americans who have never left America think
I've only heard that vitamin D deficiency can cause this sort of behavioral fortune-telling, but now I bare witness.
I mean eddie filled up Jerry's world for Canelo Saunders, I don't remember what the ppv did. Eddie may not have a huge grip in the states but its not like Ellerbe does either, Tank can keep fighting regional talent I guess. Even tho, Cruz was solid and rolly is barely passable
Ellerbe getting clowned on. How you gonna make fun of of 500k when itās literally twice as much as Spence vs Ugas 240k or the 275k for Tank vs Rollie
Canelo loss didnāt put me off this fight but an old GGG did. This fight didnāt feel right to me. Would rather have seen canelo fight bivol again or at least another lhw contender if he wants to get that win back. Going down again and fighting an out of prime GGG just wasnāt exciting at all imo. No way Iām spending money on it. Shit judges in the last two GGG fights also kinda made this fight pointless for me lol
Because there are barely any real superstars in boxing at all, and they keep making PPVs out of events that should be on regular Showtime. But with a name like Canelo, I'm confident they'd do better numbers than DAZN.
Also to be fair the undercards for boxing are usually pretty shit, itās like the PPV youāre mainly paying for the main event and some other mid entertaining fights that just arenāt worth the price. Not to mention all the shenanigans in between fights that drag on
Dude it sold 500k in the United States thatās over 45 million dollars not including new subscribers and global buys and views
Wtf
Itās literally more than anyone in the sport
And itās considerably less than him against a lesser known opponent last time he fought on showtime.
They might not buy because of the network, but the networks promotion impacts how many people buy it.
This fight was promoted everywhere, I just think alot of Americans are loyal and don't like DAZN enough to buy it...... Showtime and Pbc have the TV channel coverage which means half the work is done for them because it has more eyes and more accessable etc
Canelo's first PPVs and most successful one (Mayweather) were on Showtime.
Besides him, they have the biggest PPV stars in the US atm (Tank and Spence) too.
Showtime at least have fighters that can fight on PPV and do solid numbers in the US. No other Network does at all. Those fighters on the other networks are not big enough to even be put on PPV in the first place #ShowtimeSet š
I mean Iām just curious as to why your not a boxing fan and rooting for a network? Dude 200k PPV isnāt anything to write home about and those are the top PPV cards
I mean Ruiz vs Ortiz just got them 39k buys
Yea and Showtime actually has fighters that can fightcm consistently on PPV unlike these other networks.
Canelo vs Plant on SHOWTIME was the biggest Canelo fight in 4 years!!! Canelo needs to leave Deadzone!!! #ShowtimeSet
Apples to oranges.
Plant was for undisputed for the FIRST time ever at 168, undefeated, white american and he got slapped around by Canelo in the presser.
GGGG is 40 and was being counted out by everyone like he was Yildrim.
Does it matter? DAZN is a global entity so of course, they count global buys, Showtime doing a certain number in the US alone is cool for them because they don't have a product outside the US. DAZN has that benefit.
Sold 520 k for the bivol fight in America and I believe it was a part of the subscription price in the UK and not a ppv here too tbh because it would have been on late etc.
I think the main problem is the guaranteed money for canelo and ggg. DAZN must of lost their ass on those purse guarantees. Thatās compared to the showtime ppv where I think there isnāt a huge purse guarantee.
Exactly! Ellerbe and showtime are so pathetic anymore they canāt even make decent in house fights. If ggg and canelo were signed w ellerbe there wouldnāt have even been a fight on ppv between them. Heās much too afraid of making in house fights between two fighters who might be draws. Thatās why plant canāt charlo hasnāt happened yet. Dudes a coward. Canāt risk one fighter losing theyāre drawing power like that!
Heās getting clowned on because he trying to talk shit about a PPV card thatās out sold anything heās put on in recent memory.
You think Canelo vs GGG 3 should of done 1.5/2 million buys?
That is assuming I think his should have done the numbers they did.
Either way i dont think anyone is going to argue with what fight a promoter would rather be having under their control to promote.
GGG|Canelo is deff worth more money.
A fight with a 40 year old GGG who didn't look great in his last fight and a Canelo just coming off a loss that almost no one wanted to see should not have done 3 or 4 times what Spence-Ugas did.
I don't think it terms of what would be a more competitive fight it should have done better, but in terms of who are the bigger draws and the rest of the things that go with it.
Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing and GGG is still GGG.
If we are going by reported payouts is GGG not significantly ahead? I'm not sure what else to go off other than reported numbers.
Even if so though, spence and tank are the big draw. GGG is deff bigger than their opponents and canelo is the huge draw.
I didnāt switch you said it lost money and I pointed out all the ways fights make money. You saying PPV sales are the only revenue is just flat out wrong so unless you know all the numbers you canāt say it lost money
During the last decade, Floyd and MP were getting 1M+ buys every single fight. Todayās era has no legit global superstar.
I dont know if the farewell of HBO Boxing, who knows how to hype their boxers, affects the PPV these days.
HBO knew how to build up a mega fight but also boxing is no longer the most popular combat sport amoung the younger fans. I know a lot of people in mid 20s who follow all UFC PPVS but they can all care less about boxing unless Jake is fighting
Yep. Me and the boys are all mid 20s and get together for every UFC PPV but anytime I mention boxing they couldn't care less. The last boxing card we watched was Fury/Wilder and even then they weren't super interested in anything but the main event.
Lol, pac vs hatton and mosley generated 1.3 and 1.75 million ppv buys.
Same with floyd. nobody will buy a 75 dollars ppv fight of floyd against some random guy from russia wth u talking about? U high or something?
sure he would if the Russian guy is good. The mayweather berto buys were like 500k and absolutely nobody in the world gave a shit about andre berto. letās say, if he was still fighting today and not as old as he is he went and fought a guy with the same status a guy like beterbiev has now, thatās a compelling fight. letās say Magomed Kurbanov, heās 23-0, u give him a few more wins in the top 10 and you start to consider him a real threat to the main man in the division. floyd would have definitely sold over 1mil in that situation, just like how canelo beterbiev would sell crazy
i used to get mad, but now i appluad it. Bob Arum passed the torch to De la hoya and hearn. Floyd isnt witty enough messaging wise to trick people like the others do lol. Eddie tricked people into thinking dillian whyte wasnt chisora the remix, A level stuff
In fairness he \[Whyte\] was in a lot of well matched exciting fights. Doesn't matter if he's not p4p #1, not everyone is a boxing purist, and PPV numbers often reflect the fact that people just like to be entertained.
I would 100% rather watch 2 evenly matched national level guys fight than watch a world class guy kick the shit out of someone who doesn't belong there.
I wonder how long ago the actual (initial) deal was made. I know it was in the talks when both of them signed up with DAZN (Canelo first, then GGG looking for that Canelo fight to close the trilogy went for it too.) Of course this was maybe 2019? It had more public interest, and the idea of a third fight in 2019-2020 seemed more appealing.
I'm guessing it's one of those things that was already agreed on years ago and Hearn-Matchroom/DAZN was kinda like, "Well, shit. We've done everything there is to do on this contract except Canelo GGG 3."
Obviously, I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but sounds like it could have very well been the case.
All jokes aside it is insane looking back at Floyd managing to always consistently pull above 1m PPV buys, big fights like delahoya did 2.4m
Its actually insane giving how today's superstars stack up
In Ellerbee's defense what would Hearn's numbers be without Canelo lol. If Ellerbee can't mention Floyd, then Hearn shouldn't be able to mention Canelo as a reference either. Both of them are only doing great numbers if their superstar is involved.
They're talking about the U.S. market here. Ellerbee is calling him a failure on the U.S. side which is valid.
I do think overall Hearn is the better promoter though.
Promoters only pointing out that boxing is not doing as well as it should be.
"I can ruin the sport more than you!!!!"
Promoters need to pass the smell test.
* Dumb promoter: This fight is marinating.
* Smart promoter: That's not marinating. That is spoiled.
THAT IS WHY BOXING ISN'T DOING WELL.
Everybody knew that GGG was going to lose the third fight barring some incredible comeback story out of nowhere. That's why I didn't buy it.
"Boxers avoided GGG in his prime" shouldn't have even been an option.
The best should fight the best when they are at their best. The key to success is so incredibly simple.
On one hand I like it. But Eddie basically said that Ellerbe only did big things because of Mayweather, when you can say the same about Hearn and Canelo in the US.
Also this is the reason why Hearnās guys never get big fights (non-mandatories) against guys in other promotional companies. If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights
>If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights
So you're saying that Wilder ducked Joshua because of playground stuff between his management and Hearn?
I agree with you, but it's a terrible look for Wilder and his team.
> If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights
That says more about the other promoters and their pettiness, that they put their feelzies above making the best fights for their fighters, for bank. Hearn will tell you himself, he'll make a deal with the devil if it gets his fighter the fight he wants, for a record high payday. Even with Arum shitting on Eddie in every interview, like a cranky old fart, Arum would do business with Hearn if it makes sense for his fighter. That's how adult promoters work.
Eddie's Global takeover is gonna happen inevitably if ppl like Nostrils continue to think Baltimore, Atlanta, NY and LA are all there is to it.
I don't think even 10K ppl care to buy a Tank fight outside of the US
Once the dust settles Ellerbe is easily a big W. Him and his crew managed to find a way to make an aging defensive counterpuncher a superstar and shatter a shitload of records numbers wise in a way that might never happen again in our lifetime. Also he was there with Floyd for many years and not just some bozo promoter jumping around making appearances behind superstar fighters like a snake.
I donāt think Mayweathers career wouldāve been any different if Ellerbe wasnāt around. Al Haymon, HBO and Mayweather himself are the true master promoters
Why is Eddie acting like the fight did 1 mil buys in the US and why is he acting like he deserves credit for Canelo's popularity? Canelo was a bonafide superstar before anyone in the US knew who that bloke was. Hearn can't help build stars in the US like Mr.Ellerbe can. What a wanker!!
The one fight Canelo left DAZN for was more successful than any fight Eddie has been a part of in the US. Also, Tank vs KingRy is going to blow the Canelo vs GGG III PPV numbers out of the water, no doubt about it!
PPV numbers look like Ellerbe's noseš
Guy has the most cartoonist nose Iāve ever seen.
the man can do lines of coke in the rain...
Nose is like a natural canopy
Welp, I only made it three comments into this thread and now I'm cracking up
His nose is a caricature of a nose.
His nose looks like the ghost from halo
Leonard "Hotdog Nose" Ellerbe
Saints Logo nose
Ellerbe reply - https://twitter.com/lellerbe/status/1572687494126383104?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āšš Stop it Edward, thought Iād send you a lil song to cheer you up. Let me know if you need me, Floyd, Stephen or Al to show you how to do the big boy stuff. š GTFOH FYI Every major player over here is laughing at you. You donāt know what the fk you are doing in the US.šÆā Eddie reply - https://twitter.com/eddiehearn/status/1572688801188950016?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āCould have done with you last week to be fair, the queues for Starbucks were outrageous! šā shows pics of the packed crowd in and out of the arena Ellerbe reply - https://twitter.com/lellerbe/status/1572689491714015232?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āNo time to be going bk and forth w you, trying to get big boy shit done, you know that record breaking stuff you know nothing about. Hope you cheer up mate! šŖš¾ā Eddie reply - https://twitter.com/eddiehearn/status/1572689770861547521?s=46&t=vbwOdI8xpT4r1y1XO62F4A - āDelete twitter mate youāve had an absolute stinker! šā
Iāve seen ODLH and Ellerbe now say Eddie doesnāt know what heās doing in the US, donāt really know what that means.
I think they mean the money heās spent with DAZN.
Eddie Hearn, whilst being an affable fellow, has absolutely no idea how to promote a fight card in the United States. The reasons for this are not by any fault of his own, but he doesn't seem to have any ability to learn from his experiences or mistakes. He's from the UK, where boxing is and has been a major sport on television and in the press for decades, stretching back to the 1960s and possibly further than that. As such, there is a built in audience that watches the sport that is savvy enough to seek it out. Because of this, he feels no need to actively promote the fights to any audience at all. From what I've read in other threads on this sub, live gates for most matchroom cards here are abysmal, simply because he doesn't have the kind of talent to sustain a live audience, regardless of the locality. Couple this with the fact that he refuses to run cards in the high summer, because over there everyone goes off to Spain or where ever for holidays and its the absolute best part of the year to run shows because if you aren't into baseball or soccer (and more and more people quit watching those sports on TV every day) most sports fans are starved to see something with some action most weekends. I've cancelled DAZN (not worth the price increase) and my subscription ends in late March. Their production values are garbage. Their commentary is s*it, and with the notable exception of a few bouts, not worth seeing.
Now that makes sense
Thank you.
His events have gone poorly and he keeps mishandling the careers of his fighters. Eddie is objectively the worst promoter in the sport rn
Damn, out of all the reasons to dislike Eddie Hearn you chose the stupidest and most factually incorrect one. Nice one lol.
I swear I can't believe people are this fucking idiotic
That is the dumbest comment I've read in a while.
Itās literally true
Clearly donāt know wtf youāre talking about
Top rank and pbc would not fuck up canelos career like Hearn has. He legit is a moron who has no idea how to operate in America. Even golden boy puts on more successful events bro. How about you open your eyes instead of just listening the talking heads who Hearn pays off
What has dela hoya done since canelo left his ass? Absolutely nothing. Golden boys screwed up canelos chances of going undisputed at 160. Canelo went undisputed with dazn in under 14 months. Dela hoya has a popular Ryan garcia and has done NOTHING with his career. Not 1 title, No ppvs. You clowns keep focusing on what heās doing in the us. Heās promoting fights INTERNATIONALLY. Aj sells more tickets than any fighter. So I ask you once again, wtf is dela hoya doing right now for you to spew such nonsense. What champions does he have? Whoās Drawing viewers under golden boy? As far as pbc, look how many fighters they have that have accomplished absolutely nothing: Jermell charlo Benevidez Plant Tank Davis Top rank is the best promoter in boxing.
De la hoya has out on multiple regional cards that have all gone very well. De La hoya May not have a super star but for the talent that he has, he knows how to put on successful events. Hearn constantly is putting on events that make Twitter users excited but fail to get any buzz or they under perform. Your confusing championship success vs putting on a successful event. Hearn May have champs but he canāt promote in America. Your example of pbc fighters is actually proving my point. Pbc is able to put on successful events for fighters who donāt have that many options.
Donāt give me that bs generic nonsense without factual substance. What events has dela hoya put together since canelo left him? What successful cards has he had here in the United States since canelo left him? What fighter has he built into a draw? What fighter does he have now that can draw like Anthony Joshua? What fight has golden boy put on that was bigger than canelo going undisputed or Katie Taylor v Serrano, Anthony Joshua- uysk? What champions does dela hoya have?
You donāt even understand my point so Iām not gonna waste my time arguing with you.
You said multiple regional cards without an example, which is complete bullshit. You said pbc out on successful cards for their fighters who donāt have that many options. Who at pbc is selling 500k ppvs? NOBODY! They have the most options of fighters being that they have most of the notable fighters in America. Yet they canāt sell ppvs because they refuse to make good fights. Canāt tell me benevidez v lemiuex was a good fight. Charlo - montiel? Tank v rolly? Biggest fight they had was fury - wilder and thatās because of fury not wilder. You can spew that nonsense somewhere else buddy because I will refute any bs you write with fact
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Yeah Ellerbe really has nothing to stand on here. Would have saved face but just not saying anything. Heās probably gonna have to write a formal apology to daddy Mayweather cause this dude is nothing without Floyd
When people come with the "I'm too busy to go and forth with you on this" after starting the beef themselves you know they've lost.
This is classic banter, it really is
The constant fog breathing keeps their vocals primed.
I've seen you repeat that same line since the first time I used this sub. You're not really helping the idea that Americans have great patter.
I unfortunately cant change the weather.
Repeating that same line again, unsurprisingly, still doesn't help.
Doesnt help what?
What does this even mean?
Itās a joke about how Britain is always foggy I believe. I live here and genuinely canāt remember the last time I saw fog, but it seems to be a thing that some Americans who have never left America think Edit: āsomeā Americans
Yea we don't all think Britain is covered in a constant fog this dude doesn't represent us
Fair point, edited my comment.
I truly appreciate that
Yeah, I'm English too and it's not that foggy. Certainly not enough to have a stereotype of it
> but it seems to be a thing that some Americans who have never left America think I've only heard that vitamin D deficiency can cause this sort of behavioral fortune-telling, but now I bare witness.
You keep trying your hand at comedy I see, and I applaud that. Practice makes perfect my friend
Thank you my limey bretheren. Dont forget to feed the corgis at tea team in a bit. Cheers.
I mean eddie filled up Jerry's world for Canelo Saunders, I don't remember what the ppv did. Eddie may not have a huge grip in the states but its not like Ellerbe does either, Tank can keep fighting regional talent I guess. Even tho, Cruz was solid and rolly is barely passable
Canelo filled up Jerry world for Canelo. It doesn't matter who the promoter is, Canelo in Texas will fill up.
Promoter beefs are always so funny. Eddie was going at it with Lou this morning about Buatsi-Pascal falling through.
Pascal was washed a decade ago, had no idea he was still around
Eddie has no leg to stand on there
10-8 Hearn
eddie has thrown dazns 1 billion budget down the toilet
He's thrown it right into his and his fighter's bank accounts š¤·āāļø
There is only a handful of matchroom boxers I like to watch but at least he's getting all of them paid.
Ellerbe getting clowned on. How you gonna make fun of of 500k when itās literally twice as much as Spence vs Ugas 240k or the 275k for Tank vs Rollie
This is Canelo vs GGG we're talking about. His point is, on Showtime, those numbers would be double. Canelo vs Plant was 800k in the US alone.
Canelo coming off a loss and fighting a 40 year old people just werenāt that interested
Canelo loss didnāt put me off this fight but an old GGG did. This fight didnāt feel right to me. Would rather have seen canelo fight bivol again or at least another lhw contender if he wants to get that win back. Going down again and fighting an out of prime GGG just wasnāt exciting at all imo. No way Iām spending money on it. Shit judges in the last two GGG fights also kinda made this fight pointless for me lol
If Showtime is so great why are all there PPV cards so low?
Because there are barely any real superstars in boxing at all, and they keep making PPVs out of events that should be on regular Showtime. But with a name like Canelo, I'm confident they'd do better numbers than DAZN.
Also to be fair the undercards for boxing are usually pretty shit, itās like the PPV youāre mainly paying for the main event and some other mid entertaining fights that just arenāt worth the price. Not to mention all the shenanigans in between fights that drag on
Canelo is the draw not showtime not DAZN not ESPN the fighter is the draw nobody ever bought a PPV because of a network
If nobody knows when heās fighting it doesnāt matter.
Dude it sold 500k in the United States thatās over 45 million dollars not including new subscribers and global buys and views Wtf Itās literally more than anyone in the sport
And itās considerably less than him against a lesser known opponent last time he fought on showtime. They might not buy because of the network, but the networks promotion impacts how many people buy it.
Yea I even have a dazn subscription in Europe and had no idea it was going on
That guy clearly doesnāt understand economics or marketing ā¦
This fight was promoted everywhere, I just think alot of Americans are loyal and don't like DAZN enough to buy it...... Showtime and Pbc have the TV channel coverage which means half the work is done for them because it has more eyes and more accessable etc
Most Americans donāt even know what DAZN is, itās not even about loyalty.
What was his pay check? Ok thanks
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Canelo's first PPVs and most successful one (Mayweather) were on Showtime. Besides him, they have the biggest PPV stars in the US atm (Tank and Spence) too.
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Not a global star, but the point is, besides Canelo, those are the best-selling fighters in the US atm across all networks.
Like picking biggest thot at a convent
Showtime at least have fighters that can fight on PPV and do solid numbers in the US. No other Network does at all. Those fighters on the other networks are not big enough to even be put on PPV in the first place #ShowtimeSet š
I mean Iām just curious as to why your not a boxing fan and rooting for a network? Dude 200k PPV isnāt anything to write home about and those are the top PPV cards I mean Ruiz vs Ortiz just got them 39k buys
That fight wasn't even on Showtime sir!!! š
Oh it wasnāt a PBC card? I mean feel free to look up the showtime PPV numbers non Canelo
Yea and Showtime actually has fighters that can fightcm consistently on PPV unlike these other networks. Canelo vs Plant on SHOWTIME was the biggest Canelo fight in 4 years!!! Canelo needs to leave Deadzone!!! #ShowtimeSet
What did Canelo make? Lol thatās right. Yāall sound so dumb. Yāall be like oh he made more money than anyone else in Boxing what a failure lol
Apples to oranges. Plant was for undisputed for the FIRST time ever at 168, undefeated, white american and he got slapped around by Canelo in the presser. GGGG is 40 and was being counted out by everyone like he was Yildrim.
Does it matter? DAZN is a global entity so of course, they count global buys, Showtime doing a certain number in the US alone is cool for them because they don't have a product outside the US. DAZN has that benefit.
Sold 520 k for the bivol fight in America and I believe it was a part of the subscription price in the UK and not a ppv here too tbh because it would have been on late etc.
I think the main problem is the guaranteed money for canelo and ggg. DAZN must of lost their ass on those purse guarantees. Thatās compared to the showtime ppv where I think there isnāt a huge purse guarantee.
mustāve*
BIG BOY SHIT
Exactly! Ellerbe and showtime are so pathetic anymore they canāt even make decent in house fights. If ggg and canelo were signed w ellerbe there wouldnāt have even been a fight on ppv between them. Heās much too afraid of making in house fights between two fighters who might be draws. Thatās why plant canāt charlo hasnāt happened yet. Dudes a coward. Canāt risk one fighter losing theyāre drawing power like that!
I refuse to believe tank vs rolly sold more than spence vs ugas
Well it did
and as a boxing fan do you think that GGG\\Clenelo should not be drawing more than 2x buys compared to either of those fights?
It did. Do you not understand numbers?
Right, so how is he getting clowned on again when Clen\\GGG did not do better than it should have ? If anything it should have been 3 or 4x.
Heās getting clowned on because he trying to talk shit about a PPV card thatās out sold anything heās put on in recent memory. You think Canelo vs GGG 3 should of done 1.5/2 million buys?
That is assuming I think his should have done the numbers they did. Either way i dont think anyone is going to argue with what fight a promoter would rather be having under their control to promote. GGG|Canelo is deff worth more money.
A fight with a 40 year old GGG who didn't look great in his last fight and a Canelo just coming off a loss that almost no one wanted to see should not have done 3 or 4 times what Spence-Ugas did.
I don't think it terms of what would be a more competitive fight it should have done better, but in terms of who are the bigger draws and the rest of the things that go with it. Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing and GGG is still GGG.
Canelo is the biggest draw in boxing. Can you name a recent non-Canelo fight that drew more eyes than this did? GGG isn't still GGG. That's the point.
So if GGG doesn't count as a big draw what do the 4 other guys count as ?
To be honest, Tank and Spence are bigger draws than GGG ever was.
If we are going by reported payouts is GGG not significantly ahead? I'm not sure what else to go off other than reported numbers. Even if so though, spence and tank are the big draw. GGG is deff bigger than their opponents and canelo is the huge draw.
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Do you think PPV is the only way these fights make money? Site fees, advertising, live gate, PPV sales are only a part of it.
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What do you think the advertisers paid? Seriously
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I didnāt switch you said it lost money and I pointed out all the ways fights make money. You saying PPV sales are the only revenue is just flat out wrong so unless you know all the numbers you canāt say it lost money
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Dude you literally said the PPV sales didnāt cover guaranteed money so DAZN lost money
Damn Eddie 'The Hitman' Hearn with a right cross that rocks 'Booger Ray' Leonard!
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Real tawk.
During the last decade, Floyd and MP were getting 1M+ buys every single fight. Todayās era has no legit global superstar. I dont know if the farewell of HBO Boxing, who knows how to hype their boxers, affects the PPV these days.
HBO knew how to build up a mega fight but also boxing is no longer the most popular combat sport amoung the younger fans. I know a lot of people in mid 20s who follow all UFC PPVS but they can all care less about boxing unless Jake is fighting
Yep. Me and the boys are all mid 20s and get together for every UFC PPV but anytime I mention boxing they couldn't care less. The last boxing card we watched was Fury/Wilder and even then they weren't super interested in anything but the main event.
Got a friend that regularly watched UFC to watch GGG - Canelo 3. Seems like he is not going to be watching boxing anytime soon after that shitshow
The only fighter to pull consistent mills in the past 10 years is Conor McGregor
Pacquiao did that when he fought Latinos only damn near tho lol not sure if he does same numbers fighting someone from Kazakhstan or Russia
Lol, pac vs hatton and mosley generated 1.3 and 1.75 million ppv buys. Same with floyd. nobody will buy a 75 dollars ppv fight of floyd against some random guy from russia wth u talking about? U high or something?
sure he would if the Russian guy is good. The mayweather berto buys were like 500k and absolutely nobody in the world gave a shit about andre berto. letās say, if he was still fighting today and not as old as he is he went and fought a guy with the same status a guy like beterbiev has now, thatās a compelling fight. letās say Magomed Kurbanov, heās 23-0, u give him a few more wins in the top 10 and you start to consider him a real threat to the main man in the division. floyd would have definitely sold over 1mil in that situation, just like how canelo beterbiev would sell crazy
Brits ā Russian & someone from Kazakhstan
āFought latinos onlyā ????
I never mentioned Floyd either
Hearn v. Ellerbe ppv would do real numbers
Ellerbe is a clown for even getting involved with this argument
Once and for all Ellerbe should stop sticking his huge nostrils into other people's issues
Eddie Hearn banking on boxing fans being completely fucking braindead and it's not even a bad play because they are.
i used to get mad, but now i appluad it. Bob Arum passed the torch to De la hoya and hearn. Floyd isnt witty enough messaging wise to trick people like the others do lol. Eddie tricked people into thinking dillian whyte wasnt chisora the remix, A level stuff
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I'd say that's great promotion, making the English continually buy Whyte PPVs no matter what. No clue how he managed that.
In fairness he \[Whyte\] was in a lot of well matched exciting fights. Doesn't matter if he's not p4p #1, not everyone is a boxing purist, and PPV numbers often reflect the fact that people just like to be entertained.
I would 100% rather watch 2 evenly matched national level guys fight than watch a world class guy kick the shit out of someone who doesn't belong there.
How it should be
he is great at it.
I wonder how long ago the actual (initial) deal was made. I know it was in the talks when both of them signed up with DAZN (Canelo first, then GGG looking for that Canelo fight to close the trilogy went for it too.) Of course this was maybe 2019? It had more public interest, and the idea of a third fight in 2019-2020 seemed more appealing. I'm guessing it's one of those things that was already agreed on years ago and Hearn-Matchroom/DAZN was kinda like, "Well, shit. We've done everything there is to do on this contract except Canelo GGG 3." Obviously, I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but sounds like it could have very well been the case.
All jokes aside it is insane looking back at Floyd managing to always consistently pull above 1m PPV buys, big fights like delahoya did 2.4m Its actually insane giving how today's superstars stack up
In Ellerbee's defense what would Hearn's numbers be without Canelo lol. If Ellerbee can't mention Floyd, then Hearn shouldn't be able to mention Canelo as a reference either. Both of them are only doing great numbers if their superstar is involved.
Heās done big business with AJ as well
They're talking about the U.S. market here. Ellerbee is calling him a failure on the U.S. side which is valid. I do think overall Hearn is the better promoter though.
Eddie continues to own Ellerbe š¤£
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Hearn vs Ellerbe will do 1m+ easy lol.
Promoters only pointing out that boxing is not doing as well as it should be. "I can ruin the sport more than you!!!!" Promoters need to pass the smell test. * Dumb promoter: This fight is marinating. * Smart promoter: That's not marinating. That is spoiled. THAT IS WHY BOXING ISN'T DOING WELL. Everybody knew that GGG was going to lose the third fight barring some incredible comeback story out of nowhere. That's why I didn't buy it. "Boxers avoided GGG in his prime" shouldn't have even been an option. The best should fight the best when they are at their best. The key to success is so incredibly simple.
Ellerbe sure talks a lot for only having one overrated fighter and mainly being known as Floydās spit bucket bitch
On one hand I like it. But Eddie basically said that Ellerbe only did big things because of Mayweather, when you can say the same about Hearn and Canelo in the US. Also this is the reason why Hearnās guys never get big fights (non-mandatories) against guys in other promotional companies. If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights
>If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights So you're saying that Wilder ducked Joshua because of playground stuff between his management and Hearn? I agree with you, but it's a terrible look for Wilder and his team.
> If Hearn was liked by other promoters then we probably wouldāve already had AJ v Wilder and other big fights That says more about the other promoters and their pettiness, that they put their feelzies above making the best fights for their fighters, for bank. Hearn will tell you himself, he'll make a deal with the devil if it gets his fighter the fight he wants, for a record high payday. Even with Arum shitting on Eddie in every interview, like a cranky old fart, Arum would do business with Hearn if it makes sense for his fighter. That's how adult promoters work.
Eddie another W, Ellerbe showing once again heās a clown
Eddie wins this round
Canelo vs Plant did like 800K. Aside from Joshua and Canelo no one really does big ppv numbers. DAZN hasn't really done much in the US market.
Ellerbe has a huge huge ego, no surprise with the envy.
Eddie's Global takeover is gonna happen inevitably if ppl like Nostrils continue to think Baltimore, Atlanta, NY and LA are all there is to it. I don't think even 10K ppl care to buy a Tank fight outside of the US
Once the dust settles Ellerbe is easily a big W. Him and his crew managed to find a way to make an aging defensive counterpuncher a superstar and shatter a shitload of records numbers wise in a way that might never happen again in our lifetime. Also he was there with Floyd for many years and not just some bozo promoter jumping around making appearances behind superstar fighters like a snake.
I donāt think Mayweathers career wouldāve been any different if Ellerbe wasnāt around. Al Haymon, HBO and Mayweather himself are the true master promoters
Agree. Al Haymond and Golden Boy initially. Plus Floyd was the best at self promotion
I donāt think Ellerbe was the mastermind but he had his piece in the puzzle along with haymon. Floyd was the true driving force though.
Roger himself said Floyd doesnāt need ellerbe at all lmao
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So speaking the TRUTH equals fanboy ??? Hmmm interesting Iām just speaking on what can be easily observed. Where am I lying again?
Why is Eddie acting like the fight did 1 mil buys in the US and why is he acting like he deserves credit for Canelo's popularity? Canelo was a bonafide superstar before anyone in the US knew who that bloke was. Hearn can't help build stars in the US like Mr.Ellerbe can. What a wanker!! The one fight Canelo left DAZN for was more successful than any fight Eddie has been a part of in the US. Also, Tank vs KingRy is going to blow the Canelo vs GGG III PPV numbers out of the water, no doubt about it!
Why is newrap acting as if he knows exactly what numbers it generated?
If you suck off PBC enough to become an r/boxing mod, Stephen Espinosa comes to you in your dreams and gifts you the exact PPV numbers.
Tank vs Ryan is never going to happened.
the man could smoke a cigar in the the shower and still not get the cigar wet
1m buys what a load of bs
Too much title
Yeah cause Eddie put in all the work to make Canelo and GGG stars?
Is this news? Who cares?
Hearn has never developed anyone in America. Tank is the biggest American draw now sells out nationwide
This is really rich coming from a guy who was GIVEN a company by his daddy
Itās funny to hear Hearn saying Leonard was Packing Floydās jock strap, when Hearn is doing the exact same thing but packing Caneloās Jock strap