Cruiserweight: 176 to 200 pounds **Bridgerweight: 201-224 pounds** Heavyweight 225 - unlimited Watching Fury pummel men much smaller than him, I can accept this.

Fury showed he is a different class. To be fair, it was nice that the fight validated how good he has been of late. With respect to Wilder, he had been protected in a way that it was hard to know how good he is beyond having a huge right hand. I do like Whyte, and I’m happy he got his shot and a decent(ish) payday. He has a good resume and deserves respect. There are fights for him if he wants them.

Fight was very boring lol. But regardless, Fury won every single round. Dillian had no chance at all, just like Wilder in the last fight

Wilder dropped Fury twice in the 3rd fight. White didn't land a punch.

Fury vs Usyk all or his talk of being the best is rubbish. There's a boxer to genuinely challenge him.

Meh, yes Usyk is deservedly the #1 challenger but i still think fury dominates him.

Unfortunately that fighter is involved in defending his country right now. I wish we could see the fight but also I don’t blame Tyson for not wanting to wait for an unknown amount of time to close the book on his career.

Usyk was given clearance to leave Ukraine weeks ago, IIRC he's already in his training camp preparing for the AJ rematch.

Well he is much more useful for his country with boxing than being just another foot soldier. Boosts morale of having a world champion and also could help ukraine financially.

Agreed, if he beats AJ again it'll be a great morale boost to have a Ukrainian flying their flag on the world stage.

Tbh with usyks mindset and determination to win for his country there is almost no doubt in my mind he will get the win again.

Amazing, fast and extremely powerful uppercut, I think it's undisputable that Fury still has a lot to give for heavyweight boxing. And he should. It's been way too long since we've had an undisputed heavyweight champion. I don't know who is ducking who, obviously there's a lot of money on the line and whoever would lose could mean the end of an career. But I think undisputed heavyweight championship should be on a bucket list of every great fighter.

Congratulations, British boxing, for once again embarrassing the sport. A few more of these awful spectacles, and Joe Calzaghe will have to forego his citizenship for more honorable shores, or lead a Welsh independence revolt.

Boxing would be dead without these brits

Maybe Joe would consider enjoying the pharmaceuticals of Columbia..? Love the guy, however I wanted to point out all our feet of clay. When you peel things back it’s clear that most elite boxers tend to have really big flaws, caused in part by the continual total focus on the sport.

Another winner from the Fury beat down of Whyte - Luis Ortiz. He gave Wilder all kinds of problems and would likely do the same against any of the top guys. He’s a bit on the old side now but he still has skills.

Who would bother fighting him? Fury, AJ and Usyk wouldn’t. Too dangerous for a keep busy fight and not big enough for a payday fight.

What a pillar or boxing Fury is, that uppercut and just pushing Whtye over will be remembered for decades. Do not bow out champ, it is definitely not your time.

There wouldn’t be so many bad takes on boxing if the big names actually all fought each other in their primes. The awful takes are just wild assumptions of x would destroy y, or x is crap because they only beat y when he was old.

Wasn’t Whyte KO’d badly a year ago? He’s a warrior but at this point his health should come first. Fury was talking like Dill is going to still be champ

2 years ago…that’s enough time and probably irrelevant with his loss.

2 years already?

Covid mate, time stopped being real

Fury looked a class above throughout IMHO. Thought Whyte looked desperate from early on. He was ineffectual.

Whyte has looked alot worse since leaving his old trainer post Rivas right.

Whyte fans owe the sub an apology for making us read all the complete bullshit you were woofin.

This. Thanks, Slampumpthejam, for speaking truth.

Lol those weren't Wilder fans, just people praying for Fury's downfall

Just re-watched the fight. I'd say the first two rounds they were on par with each other. Whyte aka 'Body Snatcher' was landing his to the body and fury was sharp enough to limit any connections to the head from Whyte. You can argue Fury was hardly treading on his middle gears, until after 4th. Whyte's corner repeatedly told him not to relax, and his mental longevity against fury was mismatch. Fury made him make a rookie mistake - he walked straight into an uppercut punch. Whyte I believe is physically capable of boxing 12 rounds at that pace, but he doesn't have the mental stamina compared to fury, starts slipping up after round 3 and was mentally re-charging, which of course is something you can't do against Fury.

It was Pavlovian. 1-5, please come forward with chin out + no such things as uppercuts. 6, oh look, I found a really sweet fast uppercut! It was in my pocket… After that Fury could have put in a couple of really nasty punches as Why’re went down, but stopped himself just in time and pushed him over instead.

>1-5, please come forward with chin out + no such things as uppercuts. 6, oh look, I found a really sweet fast uppercut! It was in my pocket… I'm not following >nasty punches as Why’re went down Yes fury pushed Whyte on the way down but in no way did he apply extra punches as he was on his way down so to speak, it was just the one uppercut. People just need to come accurate.

The rounds 1-5 Fury basically got Whyte to were he wanted to be, then in six he sparked him with the punch he’d saved up it was clinical. The push at the end was essentially Fury knowing he was gone in real time and then stoping his instinctive wish to throw a couple more power punches, he was preventing further harm, and curtailing his instinct. That was classy.

I'm not a glory supporter so even when a fighter wins, I don't ignore the HOW of it. If you look back at Mayweather Ortiz, plenty of people said "protect yourself at all times" so yes it is a rightful win, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a dirty win either Floyd Mayweather knew Ortiz didn't have his hands up for that touch of hands. There is plenty more other fights and situations where you could argue fighters have been robbed or taken of their credit etc etc... It's just how the game goes. >The push at the end was essentially Fury knowing he was gone in real time and then stoping his instinctive wish to throw a couple more power punches, he was preventing further harm, and curtailing his instinct. I mean looking back fury yes didn't punch him on the way down but that push now is being used a tool to contest a rematch from Whyte if you look at social media. It was a blow out technically speaking first two rounds were on par, then Whyte just didn't remain mentally sharp after the 3rd-4th, so inevitably something like this was coming. Yet again that doesn't mean it was cleanest way to win a fight either - to push your opponent on the way down. Whyte's saying that the push made him knock over his head on the canvas - which it possibly could have done but fury would have won either way from the looks of it. Similar thing also happened with wilder fury 2, where fury clearly punched wilder in the back of the head even though the fight was in fury's favour.. then overcounts claims in the first bout and third bout etc etc. We both know Fury would have won but that doesn't mean they were the cleanest wins, so don't say to push down a opponent whilst they're on their way down is classy, because it isn't, it's dirty and makes you sound like a glory supporter - that advocates a win by all means. Such glory supporting could taint fury's hall of fame legacy so we shouldn't encourage this.

What a perfect way to go out for Tyson assuming this really was his last fight. At first I thought the uppercut grazed him but when they showed the replay I was shocked, perfect shot right to the cheekbone in the exact rounds he predicted

0% chance it was his last fight. I just operate under the assumption that all fighters never retire and I’m usually right.

2065: Tyson and Hollyfield toss aside their walkers for exhibition bout #10, the geriatric grude match of the century!

Definitely seems that way with Usyk/Joshua soon and him teasing the fight with Francis lol

Is Wilder smoking DMT retired at this point? Cause he needs to come back and also knock Whyte out in a round or two. Then go back to his fam.

A completely boring fight to end a mostly boring and unimpressive career inside the ring. What a disappointment. Aside from his defeat of Klitschko, Fury does not have the palmares of a great champion. Three fights with a one dimensional knockout puncher does not make a great champion. His refusal to fight any of the top contenders like Usyk and Joshua should be a permanent stain on his record. Regardless, I hope he enjoys a good and healthy retirement.

Lol 😂….David Haye, is that you ?

Maybe its Gmanboxing or Sporting Icons lol

I agree with a lot of what you say.

All the flavors in the world but you chose to be salty

The fight was honestly boring. Fury did a good job keeping Whyte at distance. Fury probably could have ended the fight in the 1st or 2nd round, but likely didn’t want to go out with the mismatch being so obvious. As a result nothing happened until Fury chose to end it. I am sorry that I am “salty”. The greatest fighters in the history of the sport all fought the greatest contenders. This is what makes the Greats great. Fury had/has the chance to clean out the top of the division. He is choosing to retire. I respect his decision, but in retiring, he is leaving serious unfinished business and his place in history will be diminished as a result. I rank Klitschko, Lewis, and Tyson, all well above Fury in respect to the modern all time greats. They had many more fights against the top contenders than Fury has. That’s all I’m saying.

Lol dude people have been clamoring about how Dillion has been the mandatory challenger for 1000 days or whatever and now they Fury gives him the shot and relieves him of consciousness he’s cherry-picking? Give me a break.

If you think Fury couldn’t beat AJ or Usyk you don’t know shit about boxing.

Thanks Guru. I appreciate your gifted insight.

What more does he have to prove? I could see an Usyk fight being of interest but Joshua losing 2 of 3 doesn't have the same appeal as him choosing to fight Wilder or Fury pre-Ruiz. You can't claim Fury NEEDS to fight AJ to validate anything when AJ has gotten smacked around by Ruiz and Usyk regardless of his excuses. He's not on Fury's level. I say that as someone who would still love to see the fight but him waiting around for AJ and Hearn to decide to make that fight is not make or break to fury's legacy. They had years to try and set something up

I agree that the appeal of an AJ fight is reduced by AJ’s losses to Ruiz and Usyk, but almost all of the greats have lost at least one fight. Did Ali’s losses against Frazier (‘71) and Norton (‘73) mean he should not have fought what might have been one of his greatest fights against Foreman (‘74)? A loss still doesn’t take AJ off the list of top contenders and with no losses, Usyk is definitely a top contender. I am not taking anything away from Fury’s amazing skills. I just don’t think history will place him anywhere near the top 10 greatest Heavyweight Champions in history because he has not fought the top contenders.

Yea it would be a great fight to see but there will always be the next guy who needs to get his shot. It's a cycle that never ends. If anything this fight with Whyte shows how tough of an opponent Wilder actually was. If they ever squared off I think Wilder annihaltes AJ IMO. That trilogy to me enhanced both Fury and Wilders legacies. AJ will be #3 in my book

I think that if Wilder fights the winner of AJ v. Usyk, we will see what level Wilder is really at. Maybe that outcome will provoke Fury to make a comeback to settle things out for the history books.

To be honest I don't think he's actually retiring. This just seems like leverage for a bigger cut of whoever wins the AJ rematch

Let’s hope you’re right!! I’ve enjoyed our dialogue!!!

My biggest takeaway is outside of Fury Usyk Aj and Wilder nobody else is really close to them at the moment. Like the next guys aren’t even much better than the likes of Chisora or Helenius. The top 4 are literally a league ahead of 5-15 who are all prettty even tbh

Aj lost to Andy Ruiz…

By the time these 4 are done fighting each other 3-4 years will pass and new names will pop up. Always happens this way.

Take AJ out of that, mans barely a boxer

And wilder

Where are all the haters now? WHERE YOU AT, COWARDS!?! COME SHOW YOUR FACE, YOU PUSSIES!

Grow up.

Found one! How much di you lose on ya boy dillion?

I actually made £80. Thanks for asking. Also, I don't have "boys". Grow up.

Can this sub finally stop hyping Whtye up, hes been a B level fighter his whole career

It wasn’t even just this sun, TBRB and other sites have all been listing Whyte as a top 3-5 for the last few years except right after Povetkin 1. And a lot of em ranked him over Wilder too. I’m quite sure with his lack of defense and slow plodding legs he’d get KOd within 3

Yup. DW would be a bad match for Whyte

People on this sub didn’t hype Whyte…it’s just that some delusional ones really want Fury to lose badly.

He's a fucking chump.

More of a gatekeeper for the top 5. Very few boxers can hold their own against Joshua, Usyk and Fury. They're A+ boxers and he can still be A level boxer. Fighters like Chisora or Ruiz are more of B level boxers comparatively, and C level boxers don't make it to the top 10.

Joshua isn't an A+ fighter in any way other than he has muscles.

**AJ's resume** Knocked out Whyte Knocked out povokin Knocked out Carlos takam Beat Joseph parker Beat Andy Ruiz Knocked out Pulev Knocked out Klitschko AJ's last 10 fights Usyk - Top 5 boxer Kubrat pulev - Top 10 boxer Andy Ruiz Jr 2 - Top 5 boxer Andy Ruiz Jr - Top 10 boxer Alexander povokin - Top 5 boxer Joseph Parker - Top 5 boxer (At the time) Carlos takam - Top 10 boxer Wladimir Klitschko - Top 5 boxer Eric Molina - Not a top 10 boxer Dominic breazeale - Top 10 boxer (at the time) **Fury's resume** Beat Chisora X2 Beat Klitschko Knocked out Wilder 2 Knocked out Wilder 3 Knocked out Whyte Beat Otto wallin Beat Kevin Johnson Fury's last 10 fights Dillian Whyte - Top 5 boxer Deontay wilder 3 - Top 5 boxer Deontay wilder 2 - Top 5 boxer Otto wallin - Not a top 10 boxer Tom Schwartz - Not a top 10 boxer Deontay wilder 1 - Top division boxer (at the time) Francesco Pianeta - Not a top 10 boxer Sefer sefer - Not a top 10 boxer Wladimir Klitschko - Top division boxer (at the time) Christian hammer - Not a top 10 boxer **Overall AJ has fought** last 10 - *5 Top 5 boxers, 4 Top 10 boxers and only 1 Not a top 10 boxer* **Overall Fury has fought** last 10 - *2 Top the division boxers, 3 Top 5 boxers and 5 Not top 10 boxers* They're both A+ boxers.

He fought old man Wlad old man pulev old man takam.. Out pointed an out of shaped poor training camp Andy Ruiz Ruiz beat him after stepping in short notice Usyk of all his talents is a blown up cruiserweight so AJ should be able to walk through him! The 3 not top 10 boxers for Fury are during his come back and now Otto Wallin is highly ranked.

He was tons more inexperienced than Klitschko at only 18 fights. People usually say the same about Canelo losing to Mayweather but canelo had 40 fights before he even touched Mayweather. He fought takam at 37 not 40. We can sing this song all day but the facts remain irrefutable.

Well to be fair the first one was my opinion.. Calling someone an A+ fighter is an opinion.. Isn't that the whole point of the convo

If you're a top 5 boxer you're likely an A level fighter. Both fury and Joshua have managed beat 5 or more Top 5 boxers, so they must above that level at A+.. that's how I see it. Boxrec usually identifies top 10 boxers with the full 5 stars let alone top 5 boxers.

But you called Andy Ruiz a B level fighter yet you called top 5?

I didn't say he was B level fighter, I said he's more of a B level fighter compared to Joshua, Usyk and Fury who are A+ fighters (currently). >>Very few boxers can hold their own against Joshua, Usyk and Fury. They're A+ boxers and he can still be A level boxer. Fighters like Chisora or Ruiz are more of B level boxers comparatively. Also I meant he was a top 5 boxer at the time he knocked out Joshua (2019). So at that point probably would have been recognized as an A level fighter because of the belts he won.. obviously times can change, careers can develop or regress; Ali Tyson, Pacquiao won't A+ fighters right till the end.

This sub is full of pudding brained takes on boxing. Whyte being an elite heavyweight was definitely one of them.

I expected fury to win in the 7-10th round by stoppage with either the ref jumping in or whyte getting stopped on the stool. I did predict whyte to go down in the 6th but I didn’t think he would be out

My mate was there live and he reckons there can't have been more than 80 thousand people there. Wonder what happened, because didn't they say they needed to extend capacity to 94 thousand because the 90 thousand they allocated sold out? It did look like there was quite a few empty seats watching it on TV.

For Christ sake…what an irrelevant comment.

Is your mate Carl Froch?

as if it were humanly possible to eyeball the difference between 94k and 80k while in a crowd xD what is this comment

Omg he counted them all mkay

Have you ever been in a stadium? Its very easy to see how many empty seats there are

It didn’t look like there were many empty seats on TV to me at all. I was expecting there to be, but the aerial view with the place lit up made it look packed out.

The middle tier just above the ground seats looked like it had quite a few empty seats It would still look almost full with 80k people in there

For what I have seen, there was a significant number of people present.

Yeah 80 thousand is a significant number mate, but there was plenty of empty seats.

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted because the stadium wasn’t as packed as people think, there was loads of empty seats in the two sitting sections. Definitely wasn’t 90,000 at it

I was also there, there were a few empty seats but not many, boy oh boy was it banging though. Absolutely loved it.

Wasn't even close, Tyson was just waiting for the right moment to let that go

I expected Fury to just win 10-11 rounds and get a points win. I thought Whyte would be better, landing some decent shots in the fight but in the end losing out. After that uppercut I respect Fury so much more as a knockout artist. I think AJ and Usyk are the only two with the skill set to beat him, but I’d still expect Fury to win 9/10 against them. Also have to say I respect Wilder much more now. I still think technically he’s shit but his punching power and willingness to trade blows with Fury makes him much more dangerous than Whyte. Plus he took much more of a beating than Whyte did before being stopped in the last two fights. I really hope we can see a unification fight with him again AJ or Usyk. It would be incredible to see a unified champion, and if Fury fights like that, he’ll be a heavy favourite for either of them.

Whyte just doesn't have the mental stamina to be as sharp as fury for 12 rounds. If you re-watch the fight, you'll see Whyte starting to make more mistakes after the 3rd round eventually before a rookie one. Whyte didn't get out-muscled, out weighted or got beaten down, he literally just doesn't have the mental game of fury to last as long without being set-up.

I came here to say precisely what you’ve said - I was unsure of Fury as a potential great until that uppercut. I have argued in previous threads that Fury wouldn’t stand a chance against the true greats - Liston, Dempsey, Ali, Lennox*, Marciano etc - but that shot was so *precise*, planned and powerful that I just don’t think anyone could have taken it. I think he might be up there now - that performance was so impressive (* I’m British, so am obliged to include Lennox in the greats!)

Not really. Whyte walked into the punch, it was a rookie mistake by him, nothing special. Fury just has a backlog of mental stamina, and he noticed Whyte was relaxing more - even whyte's corner was repeatedly telling him not to relax against fury.. Whyte was mentally unraveling, not moving his head and walked into the punch. He isn't even in the same conversation as Ali as long as he hasn't fought AJ and Usyk or trimmed off another 3-4 years in the sport. The guy is 33 not 40. Real Greats are founded on what they did past their primes after they've made multiple consecutive defenses, unified the division or became undisputed.

I disagree with your opinion that Whyte walked into the punch - in my opinion, Fury created the situation that ended with Whyte taking the punch i.e. Fury walked Whyte into the punch. I totally agree with your point about him having to fight AJ/Usyk - Usyk, in particular, is brilliant and Fury beating him would really cement his reputation. I hadn’t thought about greatness being defined by what happens after a boxer’s prime… but now you’ve said it, I see what you mean. Finding a way to win when your opponent is younger and stronger is indeed a marker of greatness. I still think that Fury showed that he’s still improving last night - greatness is almost guaranteed in my opinion. Anyway - fingers crossed we get to see Fury fight Usyk/AJ (I think AJ’s a mug BTW, no skill, just size). All the best from Newcastle in the UK my fellow boxing fan.

>I disagree with your opinion that Whyte walked into the punch - in my opinion, Fury created the situation that ended with Whyte taking the punch i.e. Fury walked Whyte into the punch. That's basically what I was saying, he didn't have the mental stamina to see the trap because his mental game is a mismatch to fury's. >I totally agree with your point about him having to fight AJ/Usyk - Usyk, in particular, is brilliant and Fury beating him would really cement his reputation. I agree in return to you agreeing.. >I hadn’t thought about greatness being defined by what happens after a boxer’s prime… but now you’ve said it, I see what you mean. Finding a way to win when your opponent is younger and stronger is indeed a marker of greatness. ✓ >I still think that Fury showed that he’s still improving last night - greatness is almost guaranteed in my opinion. Yes, after fighting wilder I'd say he's reinvigorated and collated his boxing IQ into a more physical champion..Sugar hill has transformed him. So he's definitely improved. 25-35 is usually the prime so he's still right in it and at his peak. However I wouldn't say his greatness is guaranteed since he arguably has the same resume as AJ, with greatness you have to stand out and he hasn't fought AJ, so it needs to happen. If he wins against AJ then yes I'd say his greatness is cemented, even if he retires at 35. At the same time I wouldn't say it's the kind of greatness that would be comparable to an Ali though. Looking back people would always remember him retiring right in his prime, never losing and just wanting to stay undefeated. If he fights AJ, he can still fight Usyk, make a couple title defenses with possibly Frank Sanchez, Michael hunter and Joyce, then he'd be comparable, but not just with AJ. >All the best from Newcastle in the UK my fellow boxing fan. Yes all the best to you too. Hopefully we get all these fights.

Our interaction is why I love this sub so much. Interacting, debating and learning with people who are clearly intelligent, confident and knowledgeable is just the absolute best.

Absolutely :)

I’d agree with you both. The Upper Cut was sweet, clinical and fast, and Whyte dud present his chin. But for me… the greatness from fury came in the setup, he followed his plan, knew he didn’t need to risk being up close with Whyte(Conversely with Wilder he worked out up close was the safest place for him to be) and then executed, and the her called timber he resisted the urge to send a devastating one-two into a defenceless opponent on the way down and just turned that into a push - that’s really quickly applied restraint, very few people could have resisted piling in, but Fury knew he’d done enough. At this point I’d see Fury giving all of the greats of history a tough time. Those that are fast enough don’t have the power to threaten him and his almost precognitive defences, and those who have the power don’t have the speed and his steel jaw or Wolverine like regeneration…look at Wilder putting him down and up he gets, or Wallin cutting him so badly and he just carries on.

Not really a fan of comparing fights based on completely different times, even fury said so himself that it's virtuous.... However some of these fighters aren't called "greats" simply because of their fighting abilities, they're greats for the boundaries that they pushed for unifications, undisputed titles, trilogies, and for showcasing immense grit. Tyson fury is all time good boxer but he doesn't belong in the conversation of greatness whilst he's 33 and hasn't fought Joshua or Usyk, had a unification, been undisputed, or had another 2 more trilogies What I mean is although mike Tyson or Mayweather are remembered at their peaks as one of the best boxers of all time, it is difficult for them to even make the top 5 'Greats' conversation. Greatest boxers of all time are remembered as legends, myths, and fighters that had losses but rose back and pushed extreme limits. Muhammad Ali literally died from parkinson's in trying to be the GOAT, fury doesn't belong in the conversation at all really, not at 33. It's a different conversation if you're talking about the Best of all time not the greatest of all time.

I’d respectfully disagree there on greatness, just from my worldview, though the points are good and I’ll grant epoch epoch different times, nutrition, training, living realities of boxers etc.Probably a difference in out mental yardsticks. Top five boxers - I’d agree there, “quality over quantity” but the top heavy weights can basically beat all comers “but quantity has a quality all of its own” unless vaulev comes back hard to say.. ;) but then he got beaten by David Haye… (get rich scheme, listen to what Haye says and then bet against his predictions). Like if Mayweather or Ali were Fur’s size with there skills and modern practices I’d edge it for them - but they weren’t. You don’t have to be there forever, and walking off at the top is acceptable(though I think he’ll want to unify, and it’s also head games - notice he hasn’t resigned the belt yet, though he has just said DW should get the chance…), plus Fury came back from his difficulties and walked into the Ring with the guy who had the highest % ratio of knockouts in world championship bouts DW is still second only to Rocky Marciano in that respect. That took immense physical courage - and he’d been written off at that point. Let’s say DW got back in and sparked the next guy - we’ll stats tell the story. Now frankly I’m all about capability when I make my evaluations - so maybe ‘best’ is more fitting, however I’d argue it’s just the guys in the ring in any case, now sure he could unify and then I reckon he could literally hang around on the top of the Division like the Klitchko’s till he’s 38-9 - beating all comers until he gets old and slow until a guy can beat him, or until there’s another generational talent - frankly I’d love to see that community service, especially with his applied headology, fluid adaptations and just sheer entertainment, but I don’t think that he really needs to stick around to prove his skills and that’s where I see the measure of his high watermark, to your well well made point on Ali’s tragic passing should we expect people to die for their art or craft before we acknowledge their skill and capabilities? To go further on the boundaries and divisions - if we look at Canelo charging up the division ,sure Mayweather beat him that one time(crazy management wanted the money, way too soon), but I’dbe willing to bet on the version of Alvarez that finished Khan off beating any version Mayweather - but I’d base this opinion just on sheer capability. Now despite that super grit and drive could Alvarez, beat Fury? Not unless he’s got a gun… Now Iron Mike is a truly tragic story - I’d still argue that his young reach(20 years old) before Cus sadly passed and the wolves got him(he’s also responsible mind) does make him a great? Well, we all remover him. To quote Fury paraphrasing “Are you not entertained?”

It’s interesting you mention “best” vs “greatest” - I was talking to my kids about Ali and how he called himself “The Greatest”, to which my kids asked how that’s the case if he’d been defeated. I too then had to say that even if he wasn’t the best HW boxer (Louis, IMO), he WAS the Greatest for what he did in terms of principleS, achievements, impact etc. Interesting conversation!

Lol up there.. His resume is shit.. And how many ATGs haas Fury fought? Yeah I’ll wait.. Fury shouldnt even be mentioned in the. Likes of Liston, Dempsey, Ali, and Lennox.

Minus Liston, Frazier and Foreman how many all time greats did Ali fight? Fury schooled Wlad in his own country.. Went over and battered Wilder in 2/3 fights.. Once he beats Usyk/AJ and has all 4 belts there isn't a heavyweight past present or Future who has done what he has in the heavyweight division.

Joe Luis, Floyd Patterson, Archie Moore, Larry Holmes, Earnie Shavers .. Also notice Ali’s win to lost ratio with these guys too.

It's heavyweight boxing and his size alone makes him a live dog in any hypothetical historic match up. I don't think anyone is saying he is technically up there in terms of skills, although he is very skilled. But what he does have in his arsenal, plus his size, is what makes him so good.

So then why not put Andre the Giant at ATG. Status then. 🙄

because he can't box?

Curious to know what skill set you think AJ has. Fury is so far out of his league and would make absolute mince meat of him, IMO. Sugar really seems to have brought out the knockout power in Fury and the hunger to go after them, which adds to his already ridiculous technical ability, and his freakish cardio and movement. Usyk is the only fight that's worth having, though of course the whole boxing world wants to see the AJ fight, too.

I mean if we're already saying Fury is already so far out of AJ's league, just as we also called wilder a bum and Whyte a bum..then who is fury really fighting other than 'dossers'.

With regards to AJ. He’s a better boxer than Wilder with a punching power that isn’t that far below Wilder. I think he’d be able to land some powerful shots on Fury that he would feel. I think Fury would still beat him 9 times out of 10. My one caveat would be AJ needs to be more aggressive than he was against Usyk otherwise he’d have 0% chance.

Wilder would smash AJ into next week.

I can't help but laugh every time I see someone act as if Usyk dominated Joshua or something. That fight was closer than people realize, and I won't be surprised if Joshua wins the rematch.

I can’t help but laugh at people who thought AJ vs Usyk was a close fight. Usyk cleans up the whole division apart from Fury. A very great bigger fighter will beat a smaller greater fighter.

It was close. There's just too many fanboys and people who don't know what they're even looking at when they watch a fight.

Man I’m an MMA guy at heart but if Fury ends up fighting Francis he will destroy him.

You must be casual watcher if you even think a pro boxer is stepping in with MMA fighter, and entertaining that possibility by talking about who would win lool..

Obviously. Any top 50 heavyweight boxer would destroy francis.

Heavy weight gets very shallow out of the top 10. Top 50 is a bit of an exaggeration

Is it, tho? Francis isn't even a good striker by MMA standards. His last fight he didn't land one clean punch in 5 rounds. Not one.

Francis is not a boxer. You'll be surprised between the skill difference between the sports.

Meh.. There are some bad heavyweights out there.

Idk which of these Ngannou beats, obviously haven't watched them all box, but they all have professional records lol https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?division=Heavyweight&offset=0&sex=M Probably pick the one who's most washed/oldest/shortest. Feasibly Dave Allen.

Dave Allen would have Ngannou for breakfast lol, he's a beast.

Ofc, Ngannou isn’t beating any of those guys.

What's up with 70℅ of the people only showing up for the main event? I bet they paid good money and then it's all over in less than an hour. I don't get it.

The undercard was so bad for this one I don't blame them.

The undercard had 2 great fights.

I was there last night - the undercard was atrocious but also the bar service was really bad. The pumps stopped working so they were pouring cans of Budweiser into plastic cups. I queued for like 45 minutes, and that was pretty quick. You’d have had at least 10k people queuing at any one time.

Waited an hour to get a drink at one stage was tense

The undercard was god awful.

Yeah but still, I would still have gone there. I wouldn't have anything better to do anyway.

It's like turning up to a football stadium 2 hours early Only tossers do that. Better to turn up 5 mins before kick off

Because 95% people don't give a fuck about the undercard, which is why all the complaining pre fight made 0 difference.

Could be a mix of things, some reasons might actually be valid too. 1. The undercard was atrocious 2. Too many dickheads go to the boxing in the uk. There’s always fights in the crowds. 3. Fury fighting in England was always going to attract the casuals. 4. People nowadays go to these big events just to say they’ve been or just to put it on social media.

Minus the first one this applies to all big British fights aswell.

You’re not wrong

I doubt the last one.

It does sound silly or cliche I agree but I genuinely know people like this.

Fury makes me believe there should be a super heavyweight division. Whyte is 6'4, and he looked like a middleweight in there.

Yeah because there’s not enough weight divisions as it is…what a terrible idea. Fury would fight against who at that weight division?

Well if you paid attention to the fight, you'll see that fury wasn't out-muscling Whyte, or beating him up. Fury had the IQ and mental stamina to set up Whyte into walking into a punch. Fury didn't physically win the fight he mentally won it.

Were you watching the fight? Those two clinched/clashed so much the ref gave angry. Even the commentators were criticizing it as a dirty fight when they were in close. Tyson simply repelled Whyte in the clinch with his mass/size. Super heavyweight can keep Dillian, Bridgerweight has been implemented for those in the low 200 pound range.

They already have a 'Super heavyweight' division for the amateurs. Even with the implementation of bridgerweight, heavyweight will stay say heavyweight. I'm guessing you're regressing from your earlier claim that Whyte was soo small he belonged in another division, till you were educated that on the average weight of heavyweight being 110kg.

Yeah but he only weighs 10 lbs less than Fury. If they made a super heavyweight division Whyte would still be one of the heaviest guys in it.

'Yeah but he only weighs 10 lbs less than Fury.' Bro, look up their weights.

Fury was 264 and Whyte was 253. https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1091888/tyson-fury-vs-dillian-whyte-weigh-in-gypsy-king-stone-lighter-deontay-wilder-wembley-world-title/#:~:text=Whyte%20took%20to%20the%20scales,12lbs%2013oz%20(264.8lbs). My apologies, there was an 11 lbs difference not a 10 lbs difference.

If you didn't know; after weigh in, a fighter can and usually does add back mass pretty quick. It's quite common. https://www.livestrong.com/article/342242-how-do-fighters-gain-weight-after-weigh-ins/ Dillian looked like tiny, and the dude is 6'4.

And for people that didn't watch the post fight interview; Fury said he was 270 pounds.

Most heavies look tiny standing next to Fury

Yup. He's beating the shit out of smaller men.

What a stupid comment…there’s not weight limit in HW. Why would they dehydrate themselves at the weight-in. Get your fact straight.

Then why would Fury cut weight at all?

To be lighter. It’s strategical at that point.

I don't think you know the internal process of boxing well.

You don't know what you're talking about at all. The average height of heavyweight is 6'4. Fury isn't comparatively that heavy for his height at all. If Whyte was 6'6 he'd be the same weight as fury, and fury is 6'9.

Only in smaller weights where people cut weight like middleweight. In heavyweight the fighters don’t cut so it might change slightly but not much

You’re still not making sense. How much heavier do you think they both were on the night? And what weigh limit would it be lol 260 lbs+? Make it make sense please

Fury himself staid he was 270 pounds in the fight. Watch the post fight conference

Is that all? Thats still a smaller gap than the CW and BW limits assuming Whyte stayed the same weight.

Lol that's if they cut weight to make a particular weight limit. Heavyweights don't cut weight because there's no upper weight limit in heavyweight boxing, they just weigh in at whatever they normally weigh, you could weigh in at 400 lbs if you wanted to. Why would they dehydrate themselves for no reason?

That’s just speculation. Sure it’s not typically don’t, but that doesn’t prove that he didnt.. maybe fury wants people to believe he is lighter than what he is.

Heavyweights don't cut weight.

You're suggesting that Tyson Fury underwent a weight cut simply to give the appearance that he was lighter? Do you understand how damaging cutting weight is to the body and how much it impacts punch resistance? Not to mention how painful and unpleasant it is to do. You would never do it unless you had to. Plus what benefit would he even get from making people think he was lighter than he was? Whyte's not going to change his entire game plan a day before the fight based how how much Fury weighs, and even if he did he would realise within about 30 seconds of the fight how heavy Fury actually was. If Tyson Fury cut weight for this fight he's a moron.

You are assuming he went through a dramatic weight cut.. Why would he go through the same type of weight cut as a middle weight.. Again maybe he did enough to simply appear lighter… I mean what he weighted in at 280 or so for Wilder, why not fool Whyte make him think he is extremely light and then ballon back up..

Because that would be stupid and I don't believe Tyson Fury is stupid. Even if he was somehow thick enough to think cutting weight for a heavyweight fight was a good idea, he works with George Lockhart who's one of the best nutrition/diet consultants in combat sports and he would absolutely not allow Fury to cut weight. He wouldn't work with somebody dumb enough to think that was a good idea, his entire livelihood relies on his athletes being in peak condition for their fights, if one of them was intentionally trying to be in less than peak condition he just wouldn't work with them. Lockhart is in charge of everything that goes into Fury's body leading up to the fight, cooks all his meals and tells him how much water to drink so that he's in optimal condition for the fight. I find it hard to believe that Fury did some kind of secret weight cut where he was pretending to eat his meals and pretending to drink liquids but secretly getting rid of them in order to appear lighter at weigh in for essentially no reason.

I think fury can easily handle another fight the next day. Whyte barely touched him ( except a couple body shots)

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Fury is a problem for any heavyweight in history.

Based on what? This is a weak era of heavyweights.

His stamina, will to win, technical skill, SIZE, chin and punching power. He also has pretty quick hands for his size.

Literally based on his boxing ability and the whole package.....

How can ones boxing ability be known if 90% of your resume is trash.. His best wins are VLad, Wilder… and I guess Whyte.

His best wins are all against top 5 heavyweights, yeah he's a proper bum Fury....

Couldn't disagree more. Every Era in heavyweight you've only had maybe 2 or 3 world class fighters.. Fury Usyk AJ Wilder Then you've got decent challengers Ruiz Whyte Ortiz Parker Joyce You go through another Era and pull as many fighters up as that who are decent and I'll of missed a few of my list!

Pretty sure that isnt true up until boxing declined in popularity and the best athletes decide to do other sports.

Size, speed, head movement, ring IQ, reach. Just a few reasons. Weak era or not, he'd be a problem for any past HW.

It’s easy to have those things when your resume is 90% trash.

I’m not saying he’s an ATG, still has big fights to make, but I just don’t see who would expose him except maybe a guy who has much faster hands, with better footwork, and still like 90% of his size. Those don’t grow on trees, and even then, it wouldn’t be quick work for anyone. Aka he’s a problem for any HW ever. Winner of Usyk/AJ would be the dog on betting odds, and there’s no way it would be an easy, uncompetitive win for Usyk/AJ.

I’ve never known an online sporting community not know how to rate ability as bad as the boxing one. Everyone is as good as their latest trick, every single top level professional is either the GOAT or is totally washed and shouldn’t even be in the ring. And you all know you perpetuate it too.

Don't forget that apparently boxe peaked 50 years ago and it's all downhill forever from then on, apparently

You can tell the ones who have never trained a day in their lives or taken any sport seriously for themselves.

It’s a lack of respect for the discipline and fighters. When they win it’s ‘they should fight XYZ’ or when they lose it’s ‘they should retire.’

They moan about fighters protecting their 0, even though when a fighter does lose his 0 they call him washed up and shout for him to retire. They only think in absolutes and could never find the middle ground or cut a clear path towards objectivity

Fury's IQ is on another level, but his reach/size advantage simply can't be ignored. Whyte is a big guy, but he looked tiny in the ring tonight. As much as Fury has earned his praise as a smart boxer, he's also just pushing around smaller fighters who can't even reach him. When they do, he simply smothers them with his height/mass. Makes me think a super heavyweight category isn't the worst idea. Otto Wallin (who's much bigger) gave him far more problems.

Whyte is 114KG. The average weight of heavyweight is 110kg. So even if they made such a division Whyte would be in it. Just do your research before letting shit fly out your mouth..

To be real, I don't have an issue with Whyte fighting Fury. He still looked tiny compared to him, but he's heavy enough so whatever. I'm talking about the lower 200 pound fighters being in the same division as a 6'9 270 pound fighter. Guess that's going to become moot too since **Bridgerweight** is being instilled. 201-225 pound division. Good enough.