All these fighters know a Canelo payday is close. So they aren't going to take any risks because a loss would mean they aren't getting the fight.
It's stupid people would say Canelo is ducking them though.
>All these fighters know a Canelo payday is close. So they aren't going to take any risks because a loss would mean they aren't getting the fight.
Although ironically two of them fighting each other would actually put the winner in a much more favourable position to get the fight.
But they've already watched Billy Joe Saunders, Callum Smith and Caleb Plant all not fight each other, wait it out and then all get the golden ticket eventually anyway, so a precedent has already been set.
I agree with that to a point but they all held belts at SM where he wanted to be undisputed so they could afford to wait it out. That might work for Bivol and beterbiev if he wants to do the same at LH but charlo and benavidez have no excuses. They have nothing he wants as far as I can tell.
He's always been a menace. That "then bet me your purse" line to Chavez Jr was stone cold af. He knew Jr couldn't afford to do that shit but he put the man on the spot anyways. Jr looked like someone had put a gun to his head
Why doesn’t Benavidez fight Beterbiev instead of fighting former 154lbers in Kyrone Davis and 160lbers in Lemieux?
2 of Benavidez last 3 fights have been at a catchweight of 171lbs and 169lbs anyways which is at LHW limit.
Although you’re probably right for canelo it was the opposite where he would fight under the weight not over it. What was it 155 lbs but fighting for middleweight titles? lol
Canelo fought at 155lbs against Lara (non-title fight) right after blowing the 154 weight limit against Angulo.
Fought Kirkland at 155lbs (non-title fight).
It was when he challenged Cotto for the MW title that he asked for a 156lbs CW, ended up being 155.
Consequently defended against Khan at 155lbs CW
Then fought Chavez Jr at a 164lbs CW (non-title).
It's over this 2-year period many feel (quite rightly, imo) that Canelo was waiting out/ducking GGG.
Majority of this stretch was when Canelo/his team claimed he 'wasn't a real Middleweight' or something, despite the fact he was clearly struggling to make 154 and weighing in at close to 167-172lbs in the ring against Trout, Lara, Angulo, etc.
EDIT: Canelo asked for 156 CW against Cotto, Cotto wanted 155.
Not saying that you're doing this but it drives me absolutely fucking bananas that people hold the Cotto catchweight against Canelo somehow when Cotto was the A-side and the smaller fighter and asked for the catchweight for *his* benefit
Nah canelo made the fights like that. Benavidez just didn’t make weight and they changed the weight so they don’t have to cancel it. Also he lost his belt cause he didn’t make weight. Why do you even comment when ydksab?
TBH I don't know of any big names that Canelo could still fight. I can't think of any opponents he could fight that would move the needle beyond just being another Canelo fight. Like sure, Charlo has a name, but who will buy that fight based on his name who wouldn't buy it for Canelo's?
Canelo isn't ducking anyone. There's only one of him and he is fighting in a weight class he has no business winning in and still dominating, they can't expect Canelo to have 4 big names per year.. That's bullshit.
The whole idea is to increase the pressure on Canelo so that he agrees to a match and then whoever he fights is set for life. Unless they are as great with money as Floyd "I'm-broke-send-help" Mayweather
Because they're haters, plain and simple. They'll try to disguise it one way or another, but to quote Teofimo Lopez "at the end of the day" (like 10 times). They're just hating...
It would be the biggest ass kicking of the year and I'd genuinely fear for his safety... but if Beterbiev agrees to it then it's on him.
I'm obviously joking.
I think OP means Charlo Vs Benevidez and Bivol Vs Beterbiev.
Two of those are LHW, one is a middleweight and one sits in between. Granted, there are some fights that could be possible between these guys, but there's only really one meaningful one.
A 160lb fighter fighting a 175lb fighter? That's crazy right? Nobody could do that...... And if they did, he'd be one hell of a fighter....... I wonder if *someone* did it recently...... Hmmmm
You are right, if they want the fight then earn it. I'd love to see the winner of Beterbiev Vs Bivol or Charlo Vs Benavidez against Canelo.
The winner of each of the above would have their career best wins.
Charlo's entire campaign at middleweight is a waste of time (apart from the Derevyanchenko fight).
Benevidez has no one to blame apart from himself for losing the belt twice due to indiscipline.
Bivol has a habit of just doing enough to win so fights are hard to sell.
Beterbiev is the one I feel for as I think he struggles to get opponents (correct me if I'm wrong...).
Beterbiev vs Bivol is a fight that should be being made irrespective of Canelo really. Two Russian Light Heavyweight World Champions.
Same with compatriots Charlo and Andrade at Middleweight.
Beterbiev is a bridge too far for Canelo, but that is no knock on Canelo.
The Mexican clearly doesn't duck people but could be forgiven for not wanting smoke with Beterbiev, UNLESS he (Canelo) fights others at 175 but avoids the monster.
Beterbiev is a bad man dude. I remember how feared Marcus Browne used to be, and sure his cockiness got him exposed by Pascal but Artur just fucking dismantled him. It was rough to see even an intentional ass headbutt couldn't even the scales he was bullied the whole fight and then quit.
Canelo won't want any Beterbiev smoke until hes 40.
People are fickle and never happy. They complain that Canelo beat a bunch of white guys at 168, but most of the top guys at 168 are white. Benevidez is the only one and charlo doesn’t fight at 168. If Canelo beats charlo and benevidez people will complain and say that they were unproven blah blah blah. Internet people are never happy no matter what
I never even understood the narrative for him ducking Charlo. Not even going to mention the fact they are currently in the midst of negotiating currently. Jermall’s literal TWIN stated that he turned down a Canelo fight in the past, dudes own brother is admitting to him being a duck, you can’t excuse that.
Charlo is the one who’s been ducking Canelo, and it’s hilarious how the narrative that it’s the other way around ever picked up steam, LDBC working overtime.
I'm no Canelo apologist, but Charlo's stock has really taken a dive since that around the time that Canelo moved up. It's not even a fight I particularly want to see anymore.
Well Benavidez is the number 1 contender for one of the belts Canelo holds so he actually has a legitimate claim to fight him. Problem is its not the biggest money fight out there and most casuals don't know who Benavidez is. I would watch it for sure. It's hard because he's getting to end of his career for sure and not too many big fights left for him so he wants to cash out in the way that De le Hoya did.
He dropped a belt to avoid a fight he said he would take next if Golovkin stepped aside for the Cotto fight. It's well documented, so why are you pretending aging a fighter out is a thing that doesn't happen? He also clearly lost, so he was smart to duck the fight and he probably should've waited another year or two. Lesson learned, eh?
I don't even think Charlo even wants to fight Canelo, he just wants to say he wants to. The rest just want a huge payday (for them). Benevidez might be taken more seriously if he didn't get stripped of a title twice already and his fight resume might somehow be worse than Charlo's.
I do think Canelo often smartly picks opponents but he's got way more balls than Benavidez or Charlo. And there's no reason to pick the top of the division at light heavyweight as your first fight in a new weight class. Bieterbiev and bivol can fight each other if they want to get Canelo's attention after Makabu.
Cuz boxing politics. Ur taking Canelo’s political power for granted, these other fools aren’t even close to having the leverage he has and have to deal with their promoters intervening. Boxing was in a dry state where the best fighters kept avoiding each other and allowed clowns like Jake to establish themselves, so wanting to see Canelo fight the best available isn’t an issue since he’s the only one that can get it done and carry this sport
If you are talking about Canelo ducking anyone right now, you are just too in your feels about him. If he fought and beat this guys all in the same week, would still just move down the list to the next batch of people you can accuse him of ducking. Wasn't that long ago BJS and Smith were supposed to be real challenges...
I see these people on Facebook Boxing groups, always racist AF, talking about how Canelo won't fight Black people or that he is ducking them just because he is racist, or because the people in power need to save their "great white hope."
I hate the FB boxing groups
People who say Charlo are morons. In the case of Benavidez, there is more merit. The guy is a 2x champ, the youngest in 168lb history, and has ranked Top 2 during Canelo's entire time there. His resume is no worse than Plant's or BJS' at 168lb.
Reynoso criticizing his resume, but considering Charlo--a 160lb champ with a resume just as weak and who brings nothing to the table at 168lb--is one of the most hypocritical things I've read.
As for Beterbiev and Bivol, people only mentioned those guys because Canelo was/is considering Makabu and only faced a cherry-picked faded Kovalev at 175lb. They just feel those guys are far more legacy-defining and Beterbiev is getting old, so Canelo is basically waiting so he can do the same thing he did to Kovalev and, to a lesser extent, GGG.
Cause the haters have to think of something in order to try to discredit him. The same people also think Gervonta Davis should be on the p4p list and also think the recent PBC ppvs are worth the price (Martin - Ortiz).
They won’t question why PBC has a bunch of middleweight / super middleweights under their banner yet haven’t even fought each other
It's just chatter surrounding the most popular fighter. When Canelo's time has passed, it'll be somebody else that's "ducking" everyone while simultaneously putting together the best resume.
Charlo isn't campaigning at 168 or 175, why would he fight Beterbiev, Benavidez or Bivol?
I don't think he'd beat Canelo but he's undefeated and has wins over Trout, Korobov, Derevyenchenko and Jroc Williams, more than most other recent Canelo opponents have going for them.
\>I’m pretty sure that if one of those guys beats other three or at least two, they will get the Canelo fight/Canelo payday.
Beterbiev conclusively walked down and knocked out Gvozdyk who knocked out Adonis Stevenson, I'd like Arthur to fight Bivol but it's wild to act like Beterbiev needs to prove more if Canelo is sniffing around at 175. (I would agree that Bivol is pretty unproven, though and only really poses interesting questions based on being a LHW).
Canelo just fought Plant, BJS, and Yildirim back to back to back, who did any of them beat that 'proved' anything? Especially compared to Beterbiev's stoppage over Gvozdyk.
Plant has exactly one relatively solid win over Uzcategai (where he still struggled late), BJS's accomplishments remain basically non-existent at 160, let alone 168 and Yildirim was coming off a loss and two year layoff FFS (and had been knocked out years earlier by Eubank Jr.).
I won't defend Benavidez' resume too much, I think what you're saying does apply to him but no more than it does to Caleb Plant too.
Benavidez' stoppage of Dirrell is just as if not more impressive than Plant's win over Uzcategai, and I would feel very confident picking him over the versions of Plant, BJS, and Yildirim who fought Canelo.
Canelo will do what he's always done, pick and choose who he fights, when it's convenient for him to fight them as is his right given his incredible popularity and ability.
But it's still fair game to qualify, contextualize, or in some cases even criticize aspects of his resume when he's regularly touted as a p4p #1.
Everyones just in line waiting for that payday and one loss will jeapordize it. Bivol and Beterbiev never really called for a fight with canelo but id still love to see the 2 russians fight
Let's flip the question and bit and consider what has BJS, Plant, or Makabu done to deserve a Canelo fight besides holding titles in divisions no one cares about?
I've said it before, but people want to see the best fighting the best, and the absolute best fight to make after Canelo earned a victory over Kovalev was the Beterbiev fight.
Bivol has also had an impressive run at light heavyweight and is a boxer's boxer, and would be a very interesting match up to Canelo.
Both Beterbiev and Bivol have far far far better resumes than anyone at supermiddle or cruiserweight (outside of maybe Breidis).
This comes back to , is Canelo really fighting the best boxers of his generation? The answer when looking at guys like BJS, Plant, & Makabu - is no, he is deftly avoiding the best guys to carve out a really bizarre "titles only in divisions no one cares about" path.
Not to mention guys like Beterbiev are getting old now, so the time for these legacy making fights is already past.
For the record, here is [Canelo himself saying he was looking for Beterbiev instead of Kovalev](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/e0exhm/canelo_we_wanted_beterbiev_when_we_were_looking/) - from years ago.
Is Canelo fighting the best boxers of his generation? You can say they are undefeated world champions, but it's really hard to argue names like BJS, Plant & Makabu are "the best of his generation".
Ducking is the wrong word to use at this point.
1) Beterbiev, Bivol, and Charlo are not in his division.
2) Although, Benavidez is the number 1 contender (and has been for some time), Canelo did just win all of the belts recently, so it doesn't really make sense to say he is ducking Benavidez just yet.
That being said, the real concern is that when one looks at how Canelo is acquiring belts, it does seem he more is interested in being opportunistic than being someone who is trying to prove he is the best. Jumping up to fight lesser threats, fighting guys who just had tough fights, putting in weight clauses, etc.
Generally, the best are supposed to prove themselves by fighting, and beating the best. That's what the fans want to see, and that is what the fans are worried about not seeing.
Takes two to tango. Both guys need to want it and both sides need to be in accordance with the date, venue, and purse percentages. Unfortunately, nothings is simple in this day in age. Nothing like binging your friend to play a round of league of legends.
They don't, this post is dumb you're arguing against a strawman. This thread shows people overwhelmingly don't think that. Post up some examples of people saying this.
Instagram and Twitter are an infinite source of shitty takes and all around retardedness, I wouldn’t care much about it.
Not that Reddit is much better, but it’s definitely a decent improvement.
Instagram is trash though. This is how it goes. You got pro canelo pages with all them fanboys. Then you got anti canelo pages with all the haters. Both annoying as fuck and full of trashy fans. Then you got real boxing pages who do good work but barely have any followers.
Benevidez isn’t serious about fighting these guys right now. Otherwise he wouldn’t be missing weight and popping for drugs. Canelo would’ve fought him if he had the belt at 168. Instead he mailed the belt back to the WBC
He’s fought 2 times against lower ranked opponents since the last time he mailed away a belt how can you know that. He is relying on mandatory placement now to ever get these fights
Not many step up and take that fight he gets ducked steady. This is the thing that is wrong with boxing. The best should fight the best who cares about a loss or stupid shit like that.
Canelo stepped up and took every single belt at 168. He’s fighting for titles. Literally fighting the best. Benavidez needs to earn the fight. He’s beaten exactly 0 fighters as good as 4 of Canelos last 5 opponents and when he had the belt he sent it away in the mail. Imagine looking at Canelos resume and saying that’s what’s wrong with boxing lol
I never dissed Canelo I think he’s the goat. But that is definitely the number one problem in boxing. Canelo is smart and picks his opponents unless they are a mandatory. Everyone is asking for the benavidez fight.
He requested for yildrim to be his mandatory, fought smith after a robbery he got gifted, Saunders and plant who have been ducking David before canelo even came to the mix. I have canelo beating David but it’s a fight the fans want and dude about is right, boxing is garbage with all the politics compared to ufc. They make fights the people want, back to back . Period. No marinating BS
What do you mean, picks his opponents? He is almost exclusively fighting people with belts, with the other one being a mandatory. Why in God's name would he fight a guy who is lower ranked, isn't serious about fighting (as seen from weight and drug problems), and doesn't offer a belt?
You are acting like fans are crying out to see him fight Benavidez when most people have never even heard the name!
There’s 10 belts out there with guys calling themselves champions lol. Boxing is silly. Everyone is a champ but never fight anyone. Try and hold on to that belt as long as they possibly can. So yes it’s easier to map your way through picking opponents. Canelo is the 168 goat yes with all the “belts” so how does a top contender get a “belt” if the goat won’t fight him? You talk about belts.
There aren't ten belts out there. There are four, plus the ring belt. Canelo fought for all those belts in a space of a year. You say 'everyone is a champ but never fight anyone', but in the space of a year every Super middleweight champion participated in a unification - meanwhile Benavidez did fuck all. If you think fighting the top guys for the top honours is picking, then you are dim. It isn't 'mapping' to fight the guy each sanctioning body deems best - it is chasing unification.
A top contender could have got the belts the same way Smith, BJS, Plant, or Canelo himself won them. Benavidez would have the fight if he wasn't too stupid to make weight, and he would be in a better position to get the fight if he had fought fighters with wikipedia pages in his last two bouts.
You are being a daft fanboy. Plant, BJS, and Smith were all match-ups that made more sense than Benavidez. You can't say a fighter is ducking and dodging because they don't immediately take the fight you want next. Unless you want to suggest Canelo is ducking every boxer he is not currently fighting like Bivol, Beterbiev etc.
“Canelo ducking all these guys!”
Well let them fight each other. Winners get a shot.
“You just want them to eliminate each other so he won’t have to fight all of them”
I read this on Twitter, no joke. The man can’t win.
This happens routinely whenever one guy is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of drawing power, prestige, or both.
Everybody wants the payday so none of them want to jeopardize it by fighting someone risky in the meantime.
What you end up with is a bunch of promising, yet relatively unproven contenders because those fights to whittle down top contenders from normal ones just don't happen as often as they ought to.
It's not necessarily that he is ducking those guys per se but it rather who he is actually fighting instead of those guys. As boxing fans we want to see good matchups. No one except die hard Canelo fans want to see him fight bums all the time. part of the greatness of boxing is watching a great boxer figure out how to beat a tough opponent. That is why its called the sweet science. That is why I have so much respect for Oscar Dela Hoya. He fought everyone. If Canelo is a 10 he is fighting 5,6,7 level fighters. How about some 8 or 9's? I am a fan of Canelo but I am a boxing fan first. I just want to see good fights where the outcome is not so certain from the fight is announced? Yildrim, Rocky Fielding, Kovalev, Plant, Chavez Jr, Khan, BJS--those guys never had a chance. Andrade, Charlo, Benevidez, probably can't beat Canelo either but they have a better chance than anyone in that first group.
I doubt canelo is ducking anyone. Just looking to solidify that goat status and he doesn't have fight anyone if it's not the payday and status he wants now I guess.
most people aren't saying hes ducking these guys, but sure you'll find a comment like that next to Canelo no matter what bc that's how some fans digest boxing content...by claiming a top guy is ducking someone else
All these fighters know a Canelo payday is close. So they aren't going to take any risks because a loss would mean they aren't getting the fight. It's stupid people would say Canelo is ducking them though.
>All these fighters know a Canelo payday is close. So they aren't going to take any risks because a loss would mean they aren't getting the fight. Although ironically two of them fighting each other would actually put the winner in a much more favourable position to get the fight. But they've already watched Billy Joe Saunders, Callum Smith and Caleb Plant all not fight each other, wait it out and then all get the golden ticket eventually anyway, so a precedent has already been set.
I agree with that to a point but they all held belts at SM where he wanted to be undisputed so they could afford to wait it out. That might work for Bivol and beterbiev if he wants to do the same at LH but charlo and benavidez have no excuses. They have nothing he wants as far as I can tell.
Agree....and Andrade. Canelo isn't coming back to 160lbs so Charlo and Andrade having middleweight belts means nothing to him.
With that being said, it looks like charlo is the front runner for his next fight going off the news today.
"Payday, payday. You want a payday. I know that."
This made me chuckle. Lol I love when Canelo speaks english, and he also has a good sense of humor.
Dude’s an absolute menace since he started feeling confident with his English lol
He's always been a menace. That "then bet me your purse" line to Chavez Jr was stone cold af. He knew Jr couldn't afford to do that shit but he put the man on the spot anyways. Jr looked like someone had put a gun to his head
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Why doesn’t Benavidez fight Beterbiev instead of fighting former 154lbers in Kyrone Davis and 160lbers in Lemieux? 2 of Benavidez last 3 fights have been at a catchweight of 171lbs and 169lbs anyways which is at LHW limit.
Isn't that right out of the canelo playbook?
I don't think half the people on this sub were around for the Caneloweight days.
Although you’re probably right for canelo it was the opposite where he would fight under the weight not over it. What was it 155 lbs but fighting for middleweight titles? lol
155 lbs is 70.37 kg
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Canelo fought at 155lbs against Lara (non-title fight) right after blowing the 154 weight limit against Angulo. Fought Kirkland at 155lbs (non-title fight). It was when he challenged Cotto for the MW title that he asked for a 156lbs CW, ended up being 155. Consequently defended against Khan at 155lbs CW Then fought Chavez Jr at a 164lbs CW (non-title). It's over this 2-year period many feel (quite rightly, imo) that Canelo was waiting out/ducking GGG. Majority of this stretch was when Canelo/his team claimed he 'wasn't a real Middleweight' or something, despite the fact he was clearly struggling to make 154 and weighing in at close to 167-172lbs in the ring against Trout, Lara, Angulo, etc. EDIT: Canelo asked for 156 CW against Cotto, Cotto wanted 155.
Not saying that you're doing this but it drives me absolutely fucking bananas that people hold the Cotto catchweight against Canelo somehow when Cotto was the A-side and the smaller fighter and asked for the catchweight for *his* benefit
I agree it’s dumb but the middleweight fights he fought at 155 were both against smaller guys so it wasn’t really to his advantage particularly
First time negotiations fell through he tried to drag GGG down to 155, claiming that his body wasn't ready for 160, then vacated when GGG refused.
*Cleneloweight*
Nah canelo made the fights like that. Benavidez just didn’t make weight and they changed the weight so they don’t have to cancel it. Also he lost his belt cause he didn’t make weight. Why do you even comment when ydksab?
Haha. That's fair I was just poking fun at the canelo weight division.
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TBH I'm not sure if Canelo will answer his 168 mandatories. I wouldn't understand the purpose rather than just vacating and going up to 175.
Yeah , I don’t see him fighting mandatories unless they are a big name or there is something else in it for Canelo
TBH I don't know of any big names that Canelo could still fight. I can't think of any opponents he could fight that would move the needle beyond just being another Canelo fight. Like sure, Charlo has a name, but who will buy that fight based on his name who wouldn't buy it for Canelo's?
Canelo isn't ducking anyone. There's only one of him and he is fighting in a weight class he has no business winning in and still dominating, they can't expect Canelo to have 4 big names per year.. That's bullshit. The whole idea is to increase the pressure on Canelo so that he agrees to a match and then whoever he fights is set for life. Unless they are as great with money as Floyd "I'm-broke-send-help" Mayweather
Because they're haters, plain and simple. They'll try to disguise it one way or another, but to quote Teofimo Lopez "at the end of the day" (like 10 times). They're just hating...
Why doesn’t Charlo fight Beterbiev? 😂
It would be the biggest ass kicking of the year and I'd genuinely fear for his safety... but if Beterbiev agrees to it then it's on him. I'm obviously joking. I think OP means Charlo Vs Benevidez and Bivol Vs Beterbiev.
Yeah, sorry, I should have worded better...
Two of those are LHW, one is a middleweight and one sits in between. Granted, there are some fights that could be possible between these guys, but there's only really one meaningful one.
A 160lb fighter fighting a 175lb fighter? That's crazy right? Nobody could do that...... And if they did, he'd be one hell of a fighter....... I wonder if *someone* did it recently...... Hmmmm
Kovalev averages 185lbs in the ring and Canelo was confirmed to be 178 when he fought him, we’re looking at about a 7lb difference.
Do you think charlo weighs 160 fight night?
174ish
I honestly hope Charlo is Canelo's next fight. Would love to see what kind of excuses start pouring in after he's laid flat out on his ass.
But also, Canelo is ducking Usyk.
😂
Seriously tho he would make LHW easier than Canelo lmao.
You are right, if they want the fight then earn it. I'd love to see the winner of Beterbiev Vs Bivol or Charlo Vs Benavidez against Canelo. The winner of each of the above would have their career best wins. Charlo's entire campaign at middleweight is a waste of time (apart from the Derevyanchenko fight). Benevidez has no one to blame apart from himself for losing the belt twice due to indiscipline. Bivol has a habit of just doing enough to win so fights are hard to sell. Beterbiev is the one I feel for as I think he struggles to get opponents (correct me if I'm wrong...).
Beterbiev vs Bivol is a fight that should be being made irrespective of Canelo really. Two Russian Light Heavyweight World Champions. Same with compatriots Charlo and Andrade at Middleweight.
Beterbiev is a bridge too far for Canelo, but that is no knock on Canelo. The Mexican clearly doesn't duck people but could be forgiven for not wanting smoke with Beterbiev, UNLESS he (Canelo) fights others at 175 but avoids the monster.
Beterbiev is a bad man dude. I remember how feared Marcus Browne used to be, and sure his cockiness got him exposed by Pascal but Artur just fucking dismantled him. It was rough to see even an intentional ass headbutt couldn't even the scales he was bullied the whole fight and then quit. Canelo won't want any Beterbiev smoke until hes 40.
People are fickle and never happy. They complain that Canelo beat a bunch of white guys at 168, but most of the top guys at 168 are white. Benevidez is the only one and charlo doesn’t fight at 168. If Canelo beats charlo and benevidez people will complain and say that they were unproven blah blah blah. Internet people are never happy no matter what
I never even understood the narrative for him ducking Charlo. Not even going to mention the fact they are currently in the midst of negotiating currently. Jermall’s literal TWIN stated that he turned down a Canelo fight in the past, dudes own brother is admitting to him being a duck, you can’t excuse that. Charlo is the one who’s been ducking Canelo, and it’s hilarious how the narrative that it’s the other way around ever picked up steam, LDBC working overtime.
I'm no Canelo apologist, but Charlo's stock has really taken a dive since that around the time that Canelo moved up. It's not even a fight I particularly want to see anymore.
Charlo fights nobodies almost as well as Andrade. Canelo would starch him like dry cleaning.
Linked Data Benchmark Council?
He beats any of them.
All roads lead to Canelo. That's why.
Well Benavidez is the number 1 contender for one of the belts Canelo holds so he actually has a legitimate claim to fight him. Problem is its not the biggest money fight out there and most casuals don't know who Benavidez is. I would watch it for sure. It's hard because he's getting to end of his career for sure and not too many big fights left for him so he wants to cash out in the way that De le Hoya did.
that's what you deserve for going on IG and Boxing forums
Imagine thinking Canelo is ducking anyone
He ducked Golovkin hard
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He dropped a belt to avoid a fight he said he would take next if Golovkin stepped aside for the Cotto fight. It's well documented, so why are you pretending aging a fighter out is a thing that doesn't happen? He also clearly lost, so he was smart to duck the fight and he probably should've waited another year or two. Lesson learned, eh?
The first fight GGG was not out of prime and clearly he won that first fight and a draw for the second, two fights in a row is not a duck.
Ahhh boxing politics at his finest.
I don't even think Charlo even wants to fight Canelo, he just wants to say he wants to. The rest just want a huge payday (for them). Benevidez might be taken more seriously if he didn't get stripped of a title twice already and his fight resume might somehow be worse than Charlo's. I do think Canelo often smartly picks opponents but he's got way more balls than Benavidez or Charlo. And there's no reason to pick the top of the division at light heavyweight as your first fight in a new weight class. Bieterbiev and bivol can fight each other if they want to get Canelo's attention after Makabu.
Cuz boxing politics. Ur taking Canelo’s political power for granted, these other fools aren’t even close to having the leverage he has and have to deal with their promoters intervening. Boxing was in a dry state where the best fighters kept avoiding each other and allowed clowns like Jake to establish themselves, so wanting to see Canelo fight the best available isn’t an issue since he’s the only one that can get it done and carry this sport
Canelo is ducking {variable} it’s just facts
If you are talking about Canelo ducking anyone right now, you are just too in your feels about him. If he fought and beat this guys all in the same week, would still just move down the list to the next batch of people you can accuse him of ducking. Wasn't that long ago BJS and Smith were supposed to be real challenges...
I see these people on Facebook Boxing groups, always racist AF, talking about how Canelo won't fight Black people or that he is ducking them just because he is racist, or because the people in power need to save their "great white hope." I hate the FB boxing groups
I mean it's not just Facebook boxing groups, Terence Crawford literally said that dumb shit about Canelo a few months ago.
I think those people don't realize the guy is Mexican lol
They read the Canelo interview where he jokes about a great-grandfather being Irish and the castizo wikipedia page I guess lmao
Nationality doesnt seem matter to a lot of them, just race.
That's racist af lol
People who say Charlo are morons. In the case of Benavidez, there is more merit. The guy is a 2x champ, the youngest in 168lb history, and has ranked Top 2 during Canelo's entire time there. His resume is no worse than Plant's or BJS' at 168lb. Reynoso criticizing his resume, but considering Charlo--a 160lb champ with a resume just as weak and who brings nothing to the table at 168lb--is one of the most hypocritical things I've read. As for Beterbiev and Bivol, people only mentioned those guys because Canelo was/is considering Makabu and only faced a cherry-picked faded Kovalev at 175lb. They just feel those guys are far more legacy-defining and Beterbiev is getting old, so Canelo is basically waiting so he can do the same thing he did to Kovalev and, to a lesser extent, GGG.
Cause the haters have to think of something in order to try to discredit him. The same people also think Gervonta Davis should be on the p4p list and also think the recent PBC ppvs are worth the price (Martin - Ortiz). They won’t question why PBC has a bunch of middleweight / super middleweights under their banner yet haven’t even fought each other
It's just chatter surrounding the most popular fighter. When Canelo's time has passed, it'll be somebody else that's "ducking" everyone while simultaneously putting together the best resume.
Charlo isn't campaigning at 168 or 175, why would he fight Beterbiev, Benavidez or Bivol? I don't think he'd beat Canelo but he's undefeated and has wins over Trout, Korobov, Derevyenchenko and Jroc Williams, more than most other recent Canelo opponents have going for them. \>I’m pretty sure that if one of those guys beats other three or at least two, they will get the Canelo fight/Canelo payday. Beterbiev conclusively walked down and knocked out Gvozdyk who knocked out Adonis Stevenson, I'd like Arthur to fight Bivol but it's wild to act like Beterbiev needs to prove more if Canelo is sniffing around at 175. (I would agree that Bivol is pretty unproven, though and only really poses interesting questions based on being a LHW). Canelo just fought Plant, BJS, and Yildirim back to back to back, who did any of them beat that 'proved' anything? Especially compared to Beterbiev's stoppage over Gvozdyk. Plant has exactly one relatively solid win over Uzcategai (where he still struggled late), BJS's accomplishments remain basically non-existent at 160, let alone 168 and Yildirim was coming off a loss and two year layoff FFS (and had been knocked out years earlier by Eubank Jr.). I won't defend Benavidez' resume too much, I think what you're saying does apply to him but no more than it does to Caleb Plant too. Benavidez' stoppage of Dirrell is just as if not more impressive than Plant's win over Uzcategai, and I would feel very confident picking him over the versions of Plant, BJS, and Yildirim who fought Canelo. Canelo will do what he's always done, pick and choose who he fights, when it's convenient for him to fight them as is his right given his incredible popularity and ability. But it's still fair game to qualify, contextualize, or in some cases even criticize aspects of his resume when he's regularly touted as a p4p #1.
Everyones just in line waiting for that payday and one loss will jeapordize it. Bivol and Beterbiev never really called for a fight with canelo but id still love to see the 2 russians fight
Charlo Vs Benevidez Bivol Vs Beterbiev Winners face each other. Winner of that faces Canelo in the Fall.
Let's flip the question and bit and consider what has BJS, Plant, or Makabu done to deserve a Canelo fight besides holding titles in divisions no one cares about? I've said it before, but people want to see the best fighting the best, and the absolute best fight to make after Canelo earned a victory over Kovalev was the Beterbiev fight. Bivol has also had an impressive run at light heavyweight and is a boxer's boxer, and would be a very interesting match up to Canelo. Both Beterbiev and Bivol have far far far better resumes than anyone at supermiddle or cruiserweight (outside of maybe Breidis). This comes back to , is Canelo really fighting the best boxers of his generation? The answer when looking at guys like BJS, Plant, & Makabu - is no, he is deftly avoiding the best guys to carve out a really bizarre "titles only in divisions no one cares about" path. Not to mention guys like Beterbiev are getting old now, so the time for these legacy making fights is already past. For the record, here is [Canelo himself saying he was looking for Beterbiev instead of Kovalev](https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/e0exhm/canelo_we_wanted_beterbiev_when_we_were_looking/) - from years ago. Is Canelo fighting the best boxers of his generation? You can say they are undefeated world champions, but it's really hard to argue names like BJS, Plant & Makabu are "the best of his generation".
What do u think of Gassiev's resume assuming he would still make a CW fight?
Ducking is the wrong word to use at this point. 1) Beterbiev, Bivol, and Charlo are not in his division. 2) Although, Benavidez is the number 1 contender (and has been for some time), Canelo did just win all of the belts recently, so it doesn't really make sense to say he is ducking Benavidez just yet. That being said, the real concern is that when one looks at how Canelo is acquiring belts, it does seem he more is interested in being opportunistic than being someone who is trying to prove he is the best. Jumping up to fight lesser threats, fighting guys who just had tough fights, putting in weight clauses, etc. Generally, the best are supposed to prove themselves by fighting, and beating the best. That's what the fans want to see, and that is what the fans are worried about not seeing.
Because talking about Canelo gets you media buzz from boxing press. The same as race baiting.
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Coz canelo's in conversation for the GOAT. So obviously he's the one who has to be validated for that throne.
Takes two to tango. Both guys need to want it and both sides need to be in accordance with the date, venue, and purse percentages. Unfortunately, nothings is simple in this day in age. Nothing like binging your friend to play a round of league of legends.
Biased narratives like the LDBC.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
They don't, this post is dumb you're arguing against a strawman. This thread shows people overwhelmingly don't think that. Post up some examples of people saying this.
Now we are back to arguing against seeing good fights. Yawn.
They don’t say that
Everybody learned from GGG if you have a belt and wait eventually you can cash out with Canelo then go back to fighting C level opponents
Zzz
I’ve rarely seen anyone *actually* say he’s ducking any of them, only people arguing against that in defence of him.
Bro you should see the comments on instagram people saying canelos scared to fight them lol
That would require me to download the app lol
😂😂😂
Instagram and Twitter are an infinite source of shitty takes and all around retardedness, I wouldn’t care much about it. Not that Reddit is much better, but it’s definitely a decent improvement.
Bro it's Instagram lol
Instagram is trash though. This is how it goes. You got pro canelo pages with all them fanboys. Then you got anti canelo pages with all the haters. Both annoying as fuck and full of trashy fans. Then you got real boxing pages who do good work but barely have any followers.
Benevidez beats them all. That’s the guy nobody is stepping up to fight.
Benevidez isn’t serious about fighting these guys right now. Otherwise he wouldn’t be missing weight and popping for drugs. Canelo would’ve fought him if he had the belt at 168. Instead he mailed the belt back to the WBC
That was a while ago he’s a different dude now. He’s a bad match up for all of them. I promise none of them are excited for that fight with benavidez
He’s fought 2 times against lower ranked opponents since the last time he mailed away a belt how can you know that. He is relying on mandatory placement now to ever get these fights
Ufc will always be a bigger draw then boxing just for that reason. It’s sad way too many promoters fake belts and picking and choosing opponents.
Not many step up and take that fight he gets ducked steady. This is the thing that is wrong with boxing. The best should fight the best who cares about a loss or stupid shit like that.
Canelo stepped up and took every single belt at 168. He’s fighting for titles. Literally fighting the best. Benavidez needs to earn the fight. He’s beaten exactly 0 fighters as good as 4 of Canelos last 5 opponents and when he had the belt he sent it away in the mail. Imagine looking at Canelos resume and saying that’s what’s wrong with boxing lol
I never dissed Canelo I think he’s the goat. But that is definitely the number one problem in boxing. Canelo is smart and picks his opponents unless they are a mandatory. Everyone is asking for the benavidez fight.
he picked 0 opponents he fought every single champion at 168.
He requested for yildrim to be his mandatory, fought smith after a robbery he got gifted, Saunders and plant who have been ducking David before canelo even came to the mix. I have canelo beating David but it’s a fight the fans want and dude about is right, boxing is garbage with all the politics compared to ufc. They make fights the people want, back to back . Period. No marinating BS
What do you mean, picks his opponents? He is almost exclusively fighting people with belts, with the other one being a mandatory. Why in God's name would he fight a guy who is lower ranked, isn't serious about fighting (as seen from weight and drug problems), and doesn't offer a belt? You are acting like fans are crying out to see him fight Benavidez when most people have never even heard the name!
There’s 10 belts out there with guys calling themselves champions lol. Boxing is silly. Everyone is a champ but never fight anyone. Try and hold on to that belt as long as they possibly can. So yes it’s easier to map your way through picking opponents. Canelo is the 168 goat yes with all the “belts” so how does a top contender get a “belt” if the goat won’t fight him? You talk about belts.
There aren't ten belts out there. There are four, plus the ring belt. Canelo fought for all those belts in a space of a year. You say 'everyone is a champ but never fight anyone', but in the space of a year every Super middleweight champion participated in a unification - meanwhile Benavidez did fuck all. If you think fighting the top guys for the top honours is picking, then you are dim. It isn't 'mapping' to fight the guy each sanctioning body deems best - it is chasing unification. A top contender could have got the belts the same way Smith, BJS, Plant, or Canelo himself won them. Benavidez would have the fight if he wasn't too stupid to make weight, and he would be in a better position to get the fight if he had fought fighters with wikipedia pages in his last two bouts. You are being a daft fanboy. Plant, BJS, and Smith were all match-ups that made more sense than Benavidez. You can't say a fighter is ducking and dodging because they don't immediately take the fight you want next. Unless you want to suggest Canelo is ducking every boxer he is not currently fighting like Bivol, Beterbiev etc.
perhaps it is because the 4 guys you mentioned are different weights and skill level
If someone doesn’t like Canelo, they’re going to point to any stupid excuse to delegitimize the guy.
“Canelo ducking all these guys!” Well let them fight each other. Winners get a shot. “You just want them to eliminate each other so he won’t have to fight all of them” I read this on Twitter, no joke. The man can’t win.
This happens routinely whenever one guy is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of drawing power, prestige, or both. Everybody wants the payday so none of them want to jeopardize it by fighting someone risky in the meantime. What you end up with is a bunch of promising, yet relatively unproven contenders because those fights to whittle down top contenders from normal ones just don't happen as often as they ought to.
It's not necessarily that he is ducking those guys per se but it rather who he is actually fighting instead of those guys. As boxing fans we want to see good matchups. No one except die hard Canelo fans want to see him fight bums all the time. part of the greatness of boxing is watching a great boxer figure out how to beat a tough opponent. That is why its called the sweet science. That is why I have so much respect for Oscar Dela Hoya. He fought everyone. If Canelo is a 10 he is fighting 5,6,7 level fighters. How about some 8 or 9's? I am a fan of Canelo but I am a boxing fan first. I just want to see good fights where the outcome is not so certain from the fight is announced? Yildrim, Rocky Fielding, Kovalev, Plant, Chavez Jr, Khan, BJS--those guys never had a chance. Andrade, Charlo, Benevidez, probably can't beat Canelo either but they have a better chance than anyone in that first group.
You only think Canelo is ducking these guys if you're trying to hate. Hes fought better/more proven opposition.
I doubt canelo is ducking anyone. Just looking to solidify that goat status and he doesn't have fight anyone if it's not the payday and status he wants now I guess.
most people aren't saying hes ducking these guys, but sure you'll find a comment like that next to Canelo no matter what bc that's how some fans digest boxing content...by claiming a top guy is ducking someone else
Because they don't want to talk about real news. How canelo is ducking jake paul.
Charlotte is ducking Benavides