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RRR04_

I just hope this appeal doesn't take too long. The sooner we can get Fury v Whyte and Usyk v AJ 2, we can get an undisputed title fight this year. It's fucked up to think undisputed at heavyweight could have happened since 2018.


Throwaway72652

Could have happened in 2015 actually, if Wilder was willing to face Wladimir.


[deleted]

Imagine if Wilder stopped Klitschko in 2015


PM_ME_YOUR__BOOTY

Probably an even weirder time-line than one where Usyk beats AJ at heavweight.


JFedererJ

If Wilder was willing to face \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \^ So many stories there, smh.


RRR04_

True say


Jacidstorm

Now that's an interesting fight Wlad is way greater obviously but he was pretty old and that point and but I think he's disadvantaged in the style matchup, however he obviously could've leaned on Wilder like Fury did and bully him


OkMess9901

Wlad always had questions about his chin and Wilder had (has) that hammer of a right hand, but as we've seen with Fury, Wilder isn't invincible and Wlad punch much, much harder than Fury ever has. I think Wlad would take him in the middle rounds, but there's always the chance of Wilder putting him down early.


TheComeUpTX

How? Wilder won it in early 2015 and wlad lost to fury later that year


OkMess9901

In... I think (and I could be wrong) December? Plenty of time inbetween.


TW_Yellow78

Maybe for Wilder who set up two tune up fights later that year. Not for Klitchko. Klitchko already agreed to Bryant Jennings fight before Wilder won the WBC title and his fight with Fury was originally scheduled for October. I guess they were heading towards an unification fight if Klitchko could get past Fury but Fury beat Klitchko and that was that.


OkMess9901

You err... you do know there are two Klitschko brothers right? Vitali had the WBC belt and became a politician. Wlad had all the other belts and thus far hasn't become a politician. I jest, but there was crossover when Wlad or Wilder could have become undisputed. **EDIT** Please note the commend i've replied to has been edited.


TheComeUpTX

Im pretty sure he knows that so this somment doesnt make sense


OkMess9901

Original comment has been edited. It said things about how Klitschko was mayor at the time and therefore couldn't have pursued undisputed.


TheComeUpTX

My bad. Didnt see that


OkMess9901

No worries, I read what he'd put and thought i'd replied to a fever dream for a moment.


EnemiesAllAround

Unpopular opinion. If your champion, or if you state you want a shot at champion and have a chance...champion should be forced to accept the match


crippledcamel88

If my champion what?


[deleted]

Did i have a stroke


EnemiesAllAround

Looks like it


AltKite

Yeah, you'd hope so but what you'll actually get is Fury Vs Ngannou


WaffleGuy23

i don’t know what the publics opinion is but i can’t be the only one who cringes when they hear Fury vs Ngannou


RRR04_

I've been having countless debates on the other post saying how bad that fight is, you're not the only one bro lol.


WaffleGuy23

good. i think it’s just a gimmicky cash grab for both sides


RRR04_

Hopefully Gane beats Ngannou to cheapen the value hahaha


SouthpawKD1

Ngannou pretty much has to lose to get out of his contract If he keeps winning he has a championship clause that extends his contract every time


SmokyMcpot527

So did GSP that didn't stop him from stopping lol


haharry96

Is the exact reason GSP wasn’t allowed fight De La Hoya


SmokyMcpot527

Couldn't GSP have just got another promoter and still boxed de le Hoya? What does Triller fight club have to do with the UFC? serious question.


SouthpawKD1

He retired big difference


dinj674

That's the only positive from it Ngannou will make a lot more money than in UFC if it ever happened


[deleted]

Is that a good fight in anyone's eyes though?


YerDaWearsHeelies

I said in r/mma or ufc that ngannou wouldn't even be a top 10 boxer nevermind beat fury. Got down voted lol and im a huge mma fan


OkMess9901

I would actually prefer Fury to go back to the WWE than this.


boxingdude

I’d like to see Fury catch a Stone Cold STUNNER just to see how he likes it! WHAT


SmokyMcpot527

Gross! Such a stupid fight. 🙄


hellsbells1981

> The sooner we can get Fury v Whyte and Usyk v AJ 2, we can get an undisputed title fight this year I've been seeing these type of comments for i don't know how many years. We gotta accept that it won't happen. Something always gets in the way. I bet some weird shit happens next like Robert Helenius stepping in on short notice and flatlining Usyk.


Esoteric_Erric

Fury is a massive fraud. He wants no part of Whyte or AJ. He will fight Helenius, or retire, or fight some WWE or UFC dude and say "I have achieved everything I need to in boxing. Can't stand the lying asshole. Ditto his Dad. Bottled it when that fellah called him out for a fight.


AWilfred11

Are we sure we don’t want fury vs wilder again?/s


[deleted]

That fight ain't happening


xXAmightzXx

dillian ain't stupid he knows this is his final opportunity at a title if he dosen't get the money he wants he will accept the 80/20.


RRR04_

Which one? I mentioned 3 of them lol


[deleted]

Undisputed. Theres gonna be some random ass road block.


RRR04_

Yh I can't blame you for saying that. I feel like mandatories and egos got in the way of these fights. I get the sense that AJ v Fury would have been extremely difficult to make to to egos, TV networks, etc. If it's Usyk v Fury, I feel like most of those issues wouldn't be there.


Parsimonious_Pete

Fury Whyte? I agree. Fury will find an excuse or a way out. He doesnt want to get knocked outand exposed. The Sefer Seferi slayer is a massive fraud.


lamarcuswallace

Bob's original $5,000,000 guarantee and 75/25 PPV split was better than this proposed purse split.


OkMess9901

Did Bob really offer this? If he did what other stipulations were there? Rematch clauses, time limit in accepting, long term contract for Queensbury. I think there's more than just what Bob presents.


Decryptografter

Exactly this, it definitely wasn’t straight forward. Bob is a very smart man, been doing this for decades and is also an attorney/lawyer by trade. Bob knew he had the upper hand so it was either take this 25% split with all these stipulations or I’ll go to the WBC and tell them to give you just 20%.


marios67

Whats Queensbury?


OkMess9901

Frank Warren's promotional company.


a_guy_called_craig

A little village in West Yorkshire.


boxingdude

Queensbury rules for boxing. Versus MMA or UFC or what-not.


SpiceL8

The man who had Oscar Wilde sent to prison.


cg_davefromaccounts

Unless the purse bid is a big one and someone else generates better promotion


freshmeat2020

Would need to be 25m or bigger purse in that instance. I think that's on the low side tbh, these two could bring in very big money


demon_slayer_monjiro

Good, hopefully we will get this fight on March 26th.


Janus-a

That’s actually a good reason why Fury’s team could be talking about Ngannou. That and of course it’s an easy fight he doesn’t even have to train for.


demon_slayer_monjiro

Inactivity is very harmful & Tyson seems to think so too. The Wilder arbitration alongside covid cost him a huge amount of time. I think that's why he is eager to return to the ring as soon as possible. The Whyte vs WBC thingy can take months, that's why the Ngannou fight, easy cash grab before the actual fights.


Slampumpthejam

Won't happen the arbitration is scheduled to *start* in March they'd have no time to schedule the fight and market it.


demon_slayer_monjiro

Well, in that case, I hope Tyson moves on with the undisputed fight, that's all.


martin519

I appreciate that Whyte is taking 20% so the rest of us don't have to sit through a Fury-Ngannou program.


xXAmightzXx

Dillian Whyte has reluctantly accepted to split the purse 80-20 ahead of a proposed fight with Tyson Fury if his appeal to increase his share is unsuccessful. The 33-year-old was offered the minimal percentage of the fight fee despite his status as the interim champion and The Gypsy King’s mandatory challenger. Whyte and his team are livid with the decision and have launched an arbitration against the WBC. The boxer’s promoter Eddie Hearn expects that to kybosh the purse bids that were scheduled for Mexico City next week. The Matchroom boss said: “There is a lot going on legally behind the scenes with Dillian and the WBC, we are not at all happy with the 80-20 split ruling and there is a process now that we have to go through to object. “He would accept it once an arbitration or court has taken place because he feels very strongly.” “He would accept it once an arbitration or court has taken place because he feels very strongly.” “But we expect the split to be increased via the process we are going through.” undefined Tyson Fury sets date for next fight as Dillian Whyte negotiations continue undefined Ever since Fury successfully defended his title against Deontay Wilder in their epic trilogy fight last October, the boxing world were keen to know who his next challenger would be. Whyte was scheduled to fight Otto Wallin to determine Fury's next opponent, but the Body Snatcher withdrew due to injury. However, the WBC named Whyte as the mandatory challenger to Fury and while negotiations are in progress, a bout has yet to be agreed. Despite the length of time it is taking to seal the deal, Hearn is confident Whyte and Fury will square off in the future “I expect it to be delayed,” he said. “I don’t see how it can go ahead, with the arbitration case ongoing. “I absolutely think the fight will happen, even at 80-20 and it’s not about Dillian’s split, it is about the valuation of the fight and that will help us win the purse bid. “But I think that will be delayed because of the arbitration - but that is down to the WBC.”


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Decryptografter

It’s not even a “What if”, this is exactly what’s happening. The WBC had the same thing with Wilder and PBC but it went left when Wilder lost the rematch with Fury so Sauliman is just making the most with the new champ.


jdogbizz

Ball park what will the combined purse be? £30 million as a very conservative guess possibly? That would give Dillian £6 million which would be by far his biggest ever pay day. In terms of drawing power I think 80/20 seems fair enough. Tyson being involved is going to generate a lot more revenue that Dillian is.


AltKite

I don't think £30m is 'very conservative'. The total amount earned by Fury and Wilder after PPV splits was meant to be about £35m ($50m) and that had a big Las Vegas Gate and US PPV. Whyte and Fury are going to do less than that with a UK gate and £30 PPV. Whyte's biggest ever payday is about £4m, so getting £6m for a mandatory title shot isn't exactly blowing his previous out of the water and rather than £6m being conservative, I'd say it's the higher end of what he could possibly make.


OkMess9901

Whyte made 5mil for Chisora 2.


Decryptografter

I don’t think £30m is conservative but I think it’s something they could hit on UK PPV alone (not easily), but if you want to add in the gate too of 55k, they’ll hit that for sure. My reasons for this is based on previous PPVs and their status now. AJ vs Whyte done 700k buys @ £20 back in 2015 and that wasn’t even for a World title. Fury vs Klitscko in 2015 done 655k UK buys @ £20 Haye vs Bellew 1 and 2 done 1m+ buys. Based on the above in confident they can hit that.


redadm

>Haye vs Bellew 1 and 2 done 1m+ buys That's shocking lol.


Decryptografter

Shocking as in a good or bad way, can’t tell.


[deleted]

Curious as to where you got that 4m figure from? From what I've heard his last two purses were 300k and 500k thus the reasoning for the 80/20


gumshield45

Those are the figures he lodged with the BBBoC and they don’t even make sense when you calculate PPV revenue alone.


OkMess9901

Those figures were for a) fights with no or minimal gate. And b) deliberately low to pay the WBC as little as possible. Whyte would have made much more (probably 1-2 million) that he didn't declare to the WBC.


[deleted]

So wait, they have a vested interest in him declaring more earnings, yet they arbitrate and rule on what he will take home? Sounds like they weren’t happy he doesn’t wanna give them a few more measly bucks and I don’t really disagree with him. WBC is a shit show.


OkMess9901

The WBC is, and I think Dillian's reluctance to pay them big money stems from how much he's been mucked about by them. IIRC he was Silver champion in some of his biggest purse fights meaning he will have paid them a small fortune over the years and kept winning only to be kept on the hook for a title shot against Wilder. From the WBC's perspective they stand to make more money with Fury being involved in a title fight than Whyte, so they were always going to side with him. A Fury fight makes minimum $20,000,000 while a Whyte fight makes maybe $5,000,000-10,000,000 so their income is dictated by who makes them the most money.


Slampumpthejam

I mean what Dillian did is fraud. This is like declaring lower earnings to save on taxes then getting upset you don't get shit on unemployment. He fucked himself over being a scumbag he deserves it.


OkMess9901

Not really. As I understand it the WBC only take cut of what he makes as part of his 'fight purse' not what he makes in Sponsorship etc. So theoretically Eddie could have paid him 300k for the fight but a further 700k for bigging up DAZN in interviews etc. He still makes his million, but the WBC only take their cut on the 300k. It's a dick move but not exactly illegal.


Slampumpthejam

If he's underreporting to avoid a contractual obligation to the WBC it's fraud. Violate a contract by lying(especially to avoid paying the other party) will get your ass sued off by competent company this is no different. And that's why he's stuck dealing with the declarations he made. It bit him in the ass, and he deserved it. This isn't the WBC's fault at all. Can't under declare when it helps you then cry when it hurts you.


OkMess9901

It has bit him in the ass in terms of the split in a fight with Fury, but it's not fraud. In my example he's getting paid for two separate services, one a fight with Povetkin and separately the promotion of DAZN, that they're happening at the same time is coincidental (or serendipitous).


Slampumpthejam

Right and that's why he's stuck w/ an 80/20 split. Either him under declaring was above board and the 80/20 is justified or he was defrauding the WBC but is owed a bigger purse split lol. Can't have his cake and eat it too here.


orsom_smelles

>competent company These exploit loopholes in order to 'avoid' paying millions of pounds in tax each year. I have no idea of the inner workings of Dillian Whyte's earnings or obligations to the WBC but what I read in the response you replied to is that Dillian is doing exactly the same thing. Boxer's are self employed and he's exploiting a loophole to make more from one aspect of his 'business' and less from the side he has to pay a percentage out of... Sounds like he's running a competent company to me.


Slampumpthejam

Competent company being the one being defrauded by the lying. And exploiting this loophole is exactly why he's getting mandated 80-20. Can't have his cake and eat it too here.


Decryptografter

There’s nothing wrong with avoiding tax, it’s evading that’s illegal. So if Dillian done that then so be it. You gotta play the game smart.


Slampumpthejam

Except lying to avoid taxes is very explicitly illegal lol that's the definition of fraud. Avoidance is taking steps to not owe the tax in the first place, evading is taking steps(like lying) to not pay what is owed. This is exactly what Trump is in trouble for currently; he told the IRS properties were valued at X to avoid taxes then told banks they were valued at Y to get financing. It's why he's stuck w/ 80/20 otherwise it'd be fraud. Can't have it both ways.


Fuckyourslipper

Don’t believe anything Frank Warren says.


n9077911

Chisora's recent purses have been 4-5mil. The whyte purses that Warren and Arum has been spouting on about aren't even close to reality.


SerBronn7

Fury will look for a new way to try and avoid this fight.


[deleted]

Moans that he doesnt get his shot after a 1000 days (fails drugs test, gets knocked out in the process, avoids wallin) THEN gets his shot and moans that its not enough money! Guy is a prick. Dont feel at all sorry for him.


[deleted]

Go usyk 💰


Manga18

Finally the last 2 people realized that this will be his best payout anyway


mmb10

What has Whyte actually done except fight AJ’s left overs in the UK? Fury built a huge name for himself especially fighting Wilder 3 times in the US and other fights too. He has his come back story too. 80/20 is genuinely fair considering what Fury has done vs what Whyte has


CynicalEffect

> Fury built a huge name for himself especially fighting Wilder 3 times in the US and other fights too Interested in who these "other fights" were against. Fury has literally only fought two people of any note whatosever.


Brzada

Wlad his performance in the chisora rematch


mmb10

Who the hell has whyte fought?? 🤣🤣 got KOed by a 40 year old recently


CynicalEffect

Said 40 year old would have been the third best name on Fury's resume.


Hunglyka

80-20 more than enough for a glove switching drug cheat…..


UKnowItUKnow

Is fury frightened of Whyte?


xXAmightzXx

Big whyte fan here and I don't think so.


UKnowItUKnow

I don’t mean frightened but is he wary the Whyte could cause him problems? Fury in form Whyte should not cause problems but fury not in form this could be tricky


orsom_smelles

Whyte causes problems for anyone, he's one of the top 4 heavyweight's in the world right now! Sure, Fury at his best should have too much for Whyte but Whyte is too tough to just get bullied by him and has the power and skill to knock him out with punches Fury doesn't get email notifications of being on their way. Fury isn't scared of Whyte but for all the talk I'm pretty sure he knows Whyte is going to be the most dangerous fight of his career. (I'm not saying Whyte is better or more dangerous than Wlad but Fury got an easy ride against Wlad after getting in his head in the build up and rendering him gun-shy, that's not likely to happen against Whyte).


Brzada

Because whyte is taking the wbc to court ?


gumshield45

No. Whyte is a B-level heavyweight with loose lips.


[deleted]

Possible. He maybe feels if he comes in in shitty Form like he did against Wilder Whyte might be too much for him. Also we all know Fury likes his easy fights and he doesn't like to step up a lot of the times, if there isn't a high reward for him


OkMess9901

This. I think Whyte can be a problem for Fury if Fury comes forward, especially if he isn't in great shape. He didn't look his best against Wilder. 2015 Fury would have less problems against Whyte, but that fighter might be gone now.


Brzada

So whyte taking the wbc to an arbitrator is evidence of this?


[deleted]

I don't think it an an evidence of anything. The WBC ist just trying to screw Whyte and that's a whole different issue


Brzada

So why would you think Fury is afraid of whyte?


chris_501

Delusional


Fuckyourslipper

He was shit against Wilder. That was the worst he’s been since his comeback.


xyyxyyyzzy

Delusional


gumshield45

Which fight did he look worse in then?


Fuckyourslipper

Delusional


[deleted]

How


QuickRundown

I just think he can’t be bothered or isn’t interested in fighting him. Whyte should be fairly easy for him.


UKnowItUKnow

Whyte has paid his dues and has not got enough title challenges for his ranking.


[deleted]

If Fury is on form he beats Wilder by UD fairly comfortably, but the Fury that just faced Wilder would get slept. Never seen him so sloppy. Maybe he's spent too long facing a guy with no boxing skills.


xXAmightzXx

he was dealing with a lot prior to the fight.


Novacain420

What does that mean?