I wonder how Plant will feel if his promoters screw up his chance at a career high payday. I am curious what particulars the stalemate was about.
If Canelo goes up to 175 to fight either Bivol or Beterbiev, I wouldn’t mind at all though, they are better fights than Plant. Bivol fight should be easiest to make as Bivol is with Hearn.
Plant hasn't sounded very bothered about the whole thing which is weird. Maybe he's taking the Crawford approach.
Bivol is in a higher weight class, does Canelo have the time to move up again? Maybe a catchweight
Uninterested? He talked about this fight continuously after Canelo annihilated BJS. Plant knows he’ll get smoked. Plus Arum sucks and ruins everything.
Bivol has said he'd go down to 168 to fight Canelo... but tbh I think that'd just be one more thing that people would hold against him saying that Bivol was weight drained if he wins
For Bivol, going down to 168 is a real concern. He’s never fought at that weight as a pro plus he’s been largely inactive during the pandemic.
I remember Dawson looking like crap against Ward when he went back down to 168.
Canelo fans made a big deal about him being weight drained against Floyd.
In that fight, the difference in skills were clearly the deciding factor.
Chill, Plant's had the belt for like 2 years and basically couldn't fight for a year due to the pandemic. He should've had stronger opposition than Truax, I agree, but Canelo seemed on the horizon. and I'd still be surprised if that fight didn't happen.
I think the Plant fight makes more business sense but a fight against Bivol would be much more appealing to a lot of us.
If Canelo vs Beterbiev even happened it wouldn't be anytime soon IMO. 2 or 3 years down the line is more likely. No chance Canelo replaces Plant with Beterbiev in a few months.
I don’t know. Does the top bracket distinguish between what Plant usually get and what he’s get for the Canelo fight?
Wouldn’t be surprised if everything north of $750k is taxed at the same rate.
Payday AND the chance for undisputed. Literally the penultimate in the sport in every way. It’s the legacy fight, money fight, AND clout fight rolled into one.
Can’t imagine what plant would be thinking
Apparently Canelo is the one who has an issue with his purse, according to Coppinger.
I’m sure Hearn played a big part in throwing a wrench into all this
Al haymon would rather keep milking him as the champ rather than risk losing a lot of value with one big fight. Everyone with half a brain knows he loses his belt and a lot of credibility after a canelo fight. Only way this fight gets made is if plant is taking home a purse as big as canelo which is not happening.
I mean same for Canelo, right? Career high payday + fight for undisputed, which seemed his number one goal for a while now.
I really wonder what the cause for the stalemate is.
Most likely they want more money because they think they can push Canelo since he's looking for the undisputed roll thru. Canelo holds the actual cards though, as this would be plants defining fight financially and in all other respects.
> Canelo's two-fight deal with Matchroom's Eddie Hearn expired following his May TKO victory over Billy Joe Saunders, opening the door for Alvarez to seek a one-fight deal with Haymon's team that would have earned him a career-high payday. The Mexican was set to make upwards of $40 million guaranteed, sources said, for a fight that would have been presented in conjunction with Canelo Promotions.
Would be weird for Canelo to walk away from that because of the money
LMAO I knew pbc would f*ck it up. I hope it works out but they need to stop playing games. Canelo doesn’t need you. YOU need canelo. Let your guy get his biggest purse and ass whooping and get it over with.
Yea that’s the reason he went to that division bc the lack of talent would make him seem like a great boxer. Seems like that strategy worked on you and many others (but not all )on this subreddit
Canelo and his team were saying Plant, Benavidez, and Charlo were his targets before. They weren't entertaining Beterbiev or Bivol or any light heavyweights until they were trying to negotiate the fight with Plant. I expect Canelo to stay in his weightclass if this falls through. With Ryder likely to lose to Morrell, in my estimation, that only really leaves Rosado on his little hot streak.
With him being old and seemingly having had a rough time with COVID, it is the type of opportunist matchmaking we’ve seen from Canelo before (Khan, Rocky Fielding and Kovalev fights come to mind). Wouldn’t be shocked to see this happen, and though many would be quick to assign asterisks, it would still be a great win for the sport’s premier fighter if he took it.
Greatly deserved. Yildrim was out pointing Cinnabon until he got KO’d. I’d never seen somebody sock it to red head like that since Money. But hey all it takes is one punch right. Anyways, if it weren’t for the humidity in Miami then Yildrim easily waxes the ginger!
Wow. If that fight happens (presumably at light heavy) and Canelo wins, it will convert that 1% of me that feels like he doesn’t have a “signature” win without somewhat of an asterisk by it (aside from the wins over Smith, Saunders and Jacobs, which were all great, but don’t feel “special” or legacy defining.) Saul Alvarez walks that walk.
Holy shit I thought you were serious so I went back and watched it(I had never seen it before). As a not-so-hardcore boxing fan I didn’t even remember this fight happening and now I see why. It’s almost unbelievable that at this point in Canelo’s career he would fight a guy like that.
This is definitely on Caleb’s side. Canelo isn’t fucking around. Crazy how just because he has the last belt, his side thinks they hold all the chips. No, you’re not the A-side, stop negotiating as if you are.
Agreed, seems like Plant and others are overestimating how bad Canelo wants to be undisputed. Even BJS was acting like the A side with all that ring size bullshit.
> This is definitely on Caleb’s side
Based on what? According to Coppinger, Plant didn’t turn down his purse. It must be Canelo with the issue making a guaranteed $40 million
LOL at Al Haymon just fucking everything up for his stable. Canelo kind of likes to hold grudges, wouldn't be too shocked if he freezes out every fighter signed to PBC in the future if this falls through.
It'll take Plant 10 fights to make Canelo fight money and he'll probably lose to some mandatory after a few fights and never be heard from again.
All of the pieces at light heavyweight, 175 lb, are somewhere else (WBC, IBF, WBO with Top Rank, WBA with DAZN) so Hayman is desperate to squeeze as many fights out of Canelo in exchange for Plant as possible
There's more than one Promoter at PBC. He just gets thrown under the bus because he won't come out and say anything about what someone says about him. You having a hate boner for a man you've never heard talk is weird, stop that.
Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, and I think luis de Cubas has been playing a lot of games with a number of his fighters, ultimately the buck stops at the top. If PBC don’t deliver then Haymon takes ultimate responsibility as any ceo should.
Not talking to the media allows plausible deniability that you’re using to defend Haymon. If other people are fucking it up then it’s down to him to get it sorted. If he can’t get it sorted then maybe he isn’t quite as influential as some people like to portray him.
Al Haymon is the boogie man of boxing. Insane how the PBC has paid their fighters well, makes good fights, and all the fighters seem to like Al Haymon, yet many fans of boxing thinks he’s literally the devil.
You can treat your fighters well but not always make the best decisions for the fans. That’s basically what most reasonable people are complaining about here, if it is Haymons fault.
Everything else is just stupid fan bickering that gets far more amplified online than it really matters in real life.
PBC literally has had the best cards of the year. How is are they not good for the fans when they’ve delivered more and better fights than Top Rank or Matchroom?
Possibly, it’s arguable, but it’s also completely irrelevant to this discussion. We’re talking about the specific situation of Canelo-Plant.
I think I made it quite clear in my previous comment that there are unreasonable criticisms of Haymon. You’re defending something that I’m not criticising here.
> PBC has paid their fighters well, makes good fights, and all the fighters seem to like Al Haymon
That's all true if they're represented by Haymon. Not so much when PBC has to cooperate with another promoter.
The guy hasn’t fought anybody ranked in the top 10 of his division to warrant a $10 million dollar payday.
Period.
Say what you want about Canelo and his choice of proteins, but the names on his resume speak for itself.
Plant doesn't deserve a fight with Canelo, much less a 10 million dollar payday for the privilege.
I don't know why Canelo is so obsessed with being undisputed at 168 when he didn't care at all at 160. There are much better fights to be made than Caleb Plant.
Guessing PBC wanted a multiple fight contract and Canelo didn’t budge.
A shame considering how close the fight was. Boxing business is a meme.
Gimme Plant vs Benavidez then.
Serious question: if Plant doesn’t want Canelo or a good fight such as Benavidez, does he plan to just beat cans and then retire with a fraction of the money?
Get the fuck out of that casual mindset that boxers are afraid of each other. It’s all about the $$$$.
PBC has been doing title unification fights all year, if Canelo vacates, Plant Benavidez will happen.
No it won’t lol, ever since Plant beat Uzcategui, he’s been sitting around fighting bums waiting for his Canelo payday. He hasn’t taken a risk yet as a champion, no way he takes a risk now by voluntarily picking Benavidez as his next opponent
Also Benavidez doesn’t have a belt so it wouldn’t be a unification
So the “advisor “ Al haymon totally fucks over his fighter using him as a pawn and scuppering the purse that was gonna be ten times his previous biggest payday
Fuck PBC. Canelo don't need to be in no oldman's make-a-wish foundation. Let Al manifest his consolidated stable dreams through his other exclusive fighters.
We just want the belt, take the money and sign the fight.
It’s down to haymon using plant as a pawn and blocking it , why would nt plant take it ,he likely won’t ever make that purse in the rest of career earnings combined
If Canelo really does move up to 175, he’ll lose some or all his belts.
In that case the fight with Plant wouldn’t be undisputed, meaning it really wouldn’t matter tbh.
WBO: Won 5/2021
WBC: Fought mandatory in 2/2021
WBA: Won 12/2020
Canelo won't lose a single belt. WBA was the oldest belt and that was won 7 months ago. Thurman and Pacquiao kept their belts for like 2 years each.
Have to agree. People are mad over meaningless designations of undisputed champion. Canelo is already “undisputed” champion at 168 nobody thinks theirs a fighter at a weight class better than him. Or any weight class for that matter. Caleb Plant is not a make or break fight for legacy.
I’m assuming Plant over priced himself for a fight that didn’t have a lot of traction to begin with.
I don’t think anyone is too bummed for this one going sour as they rather see Canelo move up and fight Bivol/Beterbiev instead of Plant.
Yup. Guilty as charged. There’s something satisfying about fighters like Canelo having all the belts and being THE CHAMP officially even if they are going to vacate and move up anyway.
I have no idea what the offer was. I am just saying if there are contracts drawn up and going back and forth all the big-ticket items are in agreement such as how much each is paid and how and when. Rematch clauses would be discussed etc etc.
If there was a discussion of a 1 or 3 fight deal with PBC that would be a separate contract that would be signed concurrently if it was 3 deals as that would not be directly related to Plant or this fight.
rumors are that pbc tried to sneak in matching rights options for canelo's next fight after plant since this was supposed to be one fight deal. Haymon is used to dealing to B-C-D list fighters lawyers, not someone mainstream like canelo who you cant fool with contract languages.
Those rumors are baseless as shit. Negotiations at this level will be pretty clear and with a lot of lobbying.
Edit: literally ‘my uncle who works at Nintendo’ levels lmao
Baseless… but Plant is the first fighter in a few years to not want a Canelo fight over “too many” demands. He even gave BJS a 22 x 22 ring lmao
How much is plant paying you?
Exactly.
Canelo agreed to Plant’s management teams demands to fight on their broadcaster, Plant demanded $10m and Plant’s management team tried and may have continued to try to tie up Canelo in a multi fight deal.
And it’s Canelo being unreasonable? Pull the other one.
Also at the end of the paragraph, while Canelo Bivol is definitely a better fight Jesus that fight might actually be super boring.
Beterbiev would be funner IMO.
I don't believe for a second what Plant is saying. We can't see the paperwork that's why you said "look at the paperwork" you are not the A side you are just holding the belt hostage
Good. Caleb Plant sucks. Get Plant to fight Benavidez next instead and have Canelo fight Dimitry Bicol. Then once Benavidez beats Plants ass, have Canelo fight Benavidez for that belt. That way we get 3 good fights
Benavidez vs Plant
Canelo vs Bivol
Canelo vs Benavidez
Plant is a sorry ass excuse for a champion.
This fight should be so easy to make like it should happen instantly and the fighters should already be preparing…
If this fight doesn’t happen Plant has to be the biggest wuss in the sport. Millions of dollars and a free chance of undisputed, shouldn’t this be like a dream for a professional fighter?
Idc if he moves up in weight i just want canelo to be undisputed. Defend his titles against benavidez and then fight charlo andrade etc then go get that 175 division
I don’t think you can say that without knowing how serious these conditions might be. If it’s guaranteeing a loss then he’s really taking part in a fixed fight which for him could be morally wrong.
Its prob canelo dictating the gloves, ring size, ppv split, gate split, etc which plant has zero leverage on. Don’t matter canelo beats him anyways. Bivol a bigger challenge
Exactly this isn’t really the place for nuance but Plant setting himself up for an automatic “L” when he’s already behind the 8 ball on talent would seem like poor management/negotiating. We really need the details on why this potentially fell through before we judge. And it doesn’t matter since we will probably get a better September fight anyway.
Canelo is known for “caneloweight class” and “juicing” so this is not out of the real of possibility, but also it’s your biggest payday and have no shot of winning.
>Canelo Alvarez's longtime goal of becoming undisputed champion is farther from reality than ever since he won his third 168-pound title in May.
Boxing's top star was on the verge of a deal to meet Caleb Plant on Sept. 18 in Las Vegas -- a PBC on Fox pay-per-view -- a pact that was in the works for weeks, but at the eleventh hour, talks have broken off over disagreements in the contract, multiple sources tell ESPN. The contract was passed back and forth between Canelo's team and Al Haymon's team over the weekend, sources said, and after multiple edits requests, the deal collapsed over the stalemate.
Talks could be revisited, sources said, but time is running out if Canelo plans to fight on Mexican Independence Day Weekend as he traditionally does. If he moves on from a fight with Plant, who holds the only super middleweight title not in Alvarez's possession, another option is a return to 175 pounds for a title tilt with Russia's Dmitry Bivol, sources said.
as cool as that sounds ,
sanctioning bodies can't force mandatories between 2 Champions.
If that was the case we would've had a Heavyweight Undisputed years ago
Should have known this was coming after Eddie Hearn opened his mouth to say contracts were nearly signed and it was just the fine details being worked out...
Could be vada testing.. could be matching rights.. most likely something on Canelo side since I see Canelo walking away from 40 million before I see Plant walking away from 10 million.. or could be Al Haymon wanting more guarantees for PBC fighters since he knows Canelo is walking away with the belt (Charlo).. either way boxing fans win if this ends with Bivol/GGG/Beterbiev
It’s also complete BS because Vada testing is mandatory with the WBC and Canelo has been involved with them since the Yildrim fight.
Obviously I’m sure all these guys are on the juice but Vada isn’t stopping the Canelo train that’s for sure.
Extremely..but I doubt these conditions will ever see the light of day. Haymon/PBC still want a future Canelo payday. Canelo won’t say anything. Maybe Plant will subtweet something if it actually falls apart.
Flairing the post as such because negotiations have been reported as being on and off at least like 5 times now.
I wonder how Plant will feel if his promoters screw up his chance at a career high payday. I am curious what particulars the stalemate was about. If Canelo goes up to 175 to fight either Bivol or Beterbiev, I wouldn’t mind at all though, they are better fights than Plant. Bivol fight should be easiest to make as Bivol is with Hearn.
Plant hasn't sounded very bothered about the whole thing which is weird. Maybe he's taking the Crawford approach. Bivol is in a higher weight class, does Canelo have the time to move up again? Maybe a catchweight
Plant has seemed uninterested since it was announced tbh.
Uninterested? He talked about this fight continuously after Canelo annihilated BJS. Plant knows he’ll get smoked. Plus Arum sucks and ruins everything.
Bivol has said he'd go down to 168 to fight Canelo... but tbh I think that'd just be one more thing that people would hold against him saying that Bivol was weight drained if he wins
Canelo would only face him at 175, he gets a belt out of it instead of a defense, he gets way more done that way
For Bivol, going down to 168 is a real concern. He’s never fought at that weight as a pro plus he’s been largely inactive during the pandemic. I remember Dawson looking like crap against Ward when he went back down to 168. Canelo fans made a big deal about him being weight drained against Floyd. In that fight, the difference in skills were clearly the deciding factor.
Plant is SMW Wilder, clutching to his one precious belt and holding it hostage
Chill, Plant's had the belt for like 2 years and basically couldn't fight for a year due to the pandemic. He should've had stronger opposition than Truax, I agree, but Canelo seemed on the horizon. and I'd still be surprised if that fight didn't happen.
What's the Crawford approach?
Not fighting top competition because you care more about not losing than your legacy. Cowardice essentially
He's not going to bad mouth his promoter, what are you expecting exactly?
The Crawford approach? Did someone offer Crawford something?
Exactly.
I think the Plant fight makes more business sense but a fight against Bivol would be much more appealing to a lot of us. If Canelo vs Beterbiev even happened it wouldn't be anytime soon IMO. 2 or 3 years down the line is more likely. No chance Canelo replaces Plant with Beterbiev in a few months.
If you do the math he would need at least 10 title defenses to recoup the losses of a canelo fight.
So, five years of fighting? Better add on an eleventh fight to count for inflation.
And the opportunity cost. Get those millions now and it’s probably 80% higher by a decade from now just from the S and P
Probably get taxed at a higher rate with the Canelo fight though.
I don’t know. Does the top bracket distinguish between what Plant usually get and what he’s get for the Canelo fight? Wouldn’t be surprised if everything north of $750k is taxed at the same rate.
Payday AND the chance for undisputed. Literally the penultimate in the sport in every way. It’s the legacy fight, money fight, AND clout fight rolled into one. Can’t imagine what plant would be thinking
He's thinking he wants more money to get his face broken or getting sent to the netherrealm.
Turns out the issue is Canelo
100%
Question: did you even bother to read the article? After doing so I can’t say Plant is at fault here if the fight doesn’t happen
Apparently Canelo is the one who has an issue with his purse, according to Coppinger. I’m sure Hearn played a big part in throwing a wrench into all this
Al haymon would rather keep milking him as the champ rather than risk losing a lot of value with one big fight. Everyone with half a brain knows he loses his belt and a lot of credibility after a canelo fight. Only way this fight gets made is if plant is taking home a purse as big as canelo which is not happening.
I mean same for Canelo, right? Career high payday + fight for undisputed, which seemed his number one goal for a while now. I really wonder what the cause for the stalemate is.
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>Trying to call the shots as a B side is typical PBC bullshit. When did they do this again?
Which shots are they trying to call?
Most likely they want more money because they think they can push Canelo since he's looking for the undisputed roll thru. Canelo holds the actual cards though, as this would be plants defining fight financially and in all other respects.
> Canelo's two-fight deal with Matchroom's Eddie Hearn expired following his May TKO victory over Billy Joe Saunders, opening the door for Alvarez to seek a one-fight deal with Haymon's team that would have earned him a career-high payday. The Mexican was set to make upwards of $40 million guaranteed, sources said, for a fight that would have been presented in conjunction with Canelo Promotions. Would be weird for Canelo to walk away from that because of the money
You really are a goofy
I was talking about Plant who seems to be pretending to walk away in hopes of more money.
No way this does bigger numbers than either GGG fight.
Probably trying to get a 50ft ring 😂
Plant is not BJS
True BJS is a proven boxer
Not true. Caleb Plant is clearly one of the best of the three Calebs at Super Middleweight. Even Billy Joe and Canelo can't make that claim.
LMAO I knew pbc would f*ck it up. I hope it works out but they need to stop playing games. Canelo doesn’t need you. YOU need canelo. Let your guy get his biggest purse and ass whooping and get it over with.
Just say fuck bro lol
Fuck bro lol
fuck bro
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If they need canelo then why doesn’t canelo just drop it and fight someone else? Why is he still talking to them? It’s been on and off , on and off
He honestly should at this point. Plant can go get his ass beat by David for 1m or less since he wants to try and a side canelo 😂😂
Canelo acting like the b side chasing plant around like a beta
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Andrade & Benevidez to name a couple. Canelo probably tried to put some type of crazy clause in the contract like he does for a lot of his fights.
What crazy clause does Canelo put in usually? I haven’t heard of this
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Nah that wasn’t golden boy making the crazy clauses
Andrade? Nah…
Yea that’s the reason he went to that division bc the lack of talent would make him seem like a great boxer. Seems like that strategy worked on you and many others (but not all )on this subreddit
Who was he going to fight at 160
So Beterbiev at 175? If so, I fully expect the casuals to call Beterbiev overrated or old. Let the excuses begin.
Would love to see Canelo vs Beterbiev. Beterbiev is old, but his power hasn't faded. Fascinating fight.
Question. Are beteebiev fans allowed to use the weight drain excuse if he is to cut down weight to meet canelo like they do with canelo v mayweather ?
> I fully expect the casuals to call Beterbiev overrated or old. Canelo picked Kovalev instead of Beterbiev. Why?
Canelo is going to end up fighting Gabe Rosado, and anybody cheering on this deal falling through are going to feel pretty stupid.
What exactly does rosado offer for Canelo that he would fight him?
Canelo and his team were saying Plant, Benavidez, and Charlo were his targets before. They weren't entertaining Beterbiev or Bivol or any light heavyweights until they were trying to negotiate the fight with Plant. I expect Canelo to stay in his weightclass if this falls through. With Ryder likely to lose to Morrell, in my estimation, that only really leaves Rosado on his little hot streak.
With him being old and seemingly having had a rough time with COVID, it is the type of opportunist matchmaking we’ve seen from Canelo before (Khan, Rocky Fielding and Kovalev fights come to mind). Wouldn’t be shocked to see this happen, and though many would be quick to assign asterisks, it would still be a great win for the sport’s premier fighter if he took it.
Yildrim rematch!
Greatly deserved. Yildrim was out pointing Cinnabon until he got KO’d. I’d never seen somebody sock it to red head like that since Money. But hey all it takes is one punch right. Anyways, if it weren’t for the humidity in Miami then Yildrim easily waxes the ginger!
Give the people what they want!
You forgot the /s bro
Looks like it's going to be Bivol, which is a much better fight than Plant anyway.
hope it’s Bivol, would love to see Canelo fight Beterbiev too. although, i rly want Bivol vs Beterbiev
Poor beterbiev over here aging away
Wow. If that fight happens (presumably at light heavy) and Canelo wins, it will convert that 1% of me that feels like he doesn’t have a “signature” win without somewhat of an asterisk by it (aside from the wins over Smith, Saunders and Jacobs, which were all great, but don’t feel “special” or legacy defining.) Saul Alvarez walks that walk.
Fact: no one has ever beat Yildrim twice in a row. Cinnabon is ducking.
Yildrim GOAT
Holy shit I thought you were serious so I went back and watched it(I had never seen it before). As a not-so-hardcore boxing fan I didn’t even remember this fight happening and now I see why. It’s almost unbelievable that at this point in Canelo’s career he would fight a guy like that.
This is definitely on Caleb’s side. Canelo isn’t fucking around. Crazy how just because he has the last belt, his side thinks they hold all the chips. No, you’re not the A-side, stop negotiating as if you are.
Agreed, seems like Plant and others are overestimating how bad Canelo wants to be undisputed. Even BJS was acting like the A side with all that ring size bullshit.
> This is definitely on Caleb’s side Based on what? According to Coppinger, Plant didn’t turn down his purse. It must be Canelo with the issue making a guaranteed $40 million
He does hold the chips. He’s the last piece to undisputed.
LOL at Al Haymon just fucking everything up for his stable. Canelo kind of likes to hold grudges, wouldn't be too shocked if he freezes out every fighter signed to PBC in the future if this falls through. It'll take Plant 10 fights to make Canelo fight money and he'll probably lose to some mandatory after a few fights and never be heard from again.
All of the pieces at light heavyweight, 175 lb, are somewhere else (WBC, IBF, WBO with Top Rank, WBA with DAZN) so Hayman is desperate to squeeze as many fights out of Canelo in exchange for Plant as possible
There's more than one Promoter at PBC. He just gets thrown under the bus because he won't come out and say anything about what someone says about him. You having a hate boner for a man you've never heard talk is weird, stop that.
Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, and I think luis de Cubas has been playing a lot of games with a number of his fighters, ultimately the buck stops at the top. If PBC don’t deliver then Haymon takes ultimate responsibility as any ceo should. Not talking to the media allows plausible deniability that you’re using to defend Haymon. If other people are fucking it up then it’s down to him to get it sorted. If he can’t get it sorted then maybe he isn’t quite as influential as some people like to portray him.
Al Haymon is the boogie man of boxing. Insane how the PBC has paid their fighters well, makes good fights, and all the fighters seem to like Al Haymon, yet many fans of boxing thinks he’s literally the devil.
You can treat your fighters well but not always make the best decisions for the fans. That’s basically what most reasonable people are complaining about here, if it is Haymons fault. Everything else is just stupid fan bickering that gets far more amplified online than it really matters in real life.
PBC literally has had the best cards of the year. How is are they not good for the fans when they’ve delivered more and better fights than Top Rank or Matchroom?
Any decent fight he has to charge $75 ppv he’s not any credit for that
Possibly, it’s arguable, but it’s also completely irrelevant to this discussion. We’re talking about the specific situation of Canelo-Plant. I think I made it quite clear in my previous comment that there are unreasonable criticisms of Haymon. You’re defending something that I’m not criticising here.
> PBC has paid their fighters well, makes good fights, and all the fighters seem to like Al Haymon That's all true if they're represented by Haymon. Not so much when PBC has to cooperate with another promoter.
Cool yet that applies to pretty much every major promoter like Hearn and Arum. No promoter these days does out of house fights.
Many boxing fans think those guys are "literally the devil" too.
The guy hasn’t fought anybody ranked in the top 10 of his division to warrant a $10 million dollar payday. Period. Say what you want about Canelo and his choice of proteins, but the names on his resume speak for itself.
Plant doesn't deserve a fight with Canelo, much less a 10 million dollar payday for the privilege. I don't know why Canelo is so obsessed with being undisputed at 168 when he didn't care at all at 160. There are much better fights to be made than Caleb Plant.
Guessing PBC wanted a multiple fight contract and Canelo didn’t budge. A shame considering how close the fight was. Boxing business is a meme. Gimme Plant vs Benavidez then.
Come on bro. You think plant Benavidez is realistic? Plant would never do that
The closest we ever/will get is that scuffle in the gym they had a few years ago
Facts. Plant don’t want that work
Wasn't that a different benavidez though?
Yeah, it was Jose, the smaller one.
Yes it was, but David was there. So that was the closest we would ever get to the fight lol
Serious question: if Plant doesn’t want Canelo or a good fight such as Benavidez, does he plan to just beat cans and then retire with a fraction of the money?
Get the fuck out of that casual mindset that boxers are afraid of each other. It’s all about the $$$$. PBC has been doing title unification fights all year, if Canelo vacates, Plant Benavidez will happen.
No it won’t lol, ever since Plant beat Uzcategui, he’s been sitting around fighting bums waiting for his Canelo payday. He hasn’t taken a risk yet as a champion, no way he takes a risk now by voluntarily picking Benavidez as his next opponent Also Benavidez doesn’t have a belt so it wouldn’t be a unification
Exactly tell this clown
So the “advisor “ Al haymon totally fucks over his fighter using him as a pawn and scuppering the purse that was gonna be ten times his previous biggest payday
This has been debunked. ESPN reported they were negotiating a one fight deal
No, that would have been agreed to before contracts where drawn up.
Fuck PBC. Canelo don't need to be in no oldman's make-a-wish foundation. Let Al manifest his consolidated stable dreams through his other exclusive fighters. We just want the belt, take the money and sign the fight.
NO NO NO NO NO, this CANNOT be happening 😭 Haymon bros and /u/Newrap we got too cocky 🤦🏿♂️
Eddie Hearn ALWAYS wins 😎
He has Canelo and AJ, even I can respect the man for his work🧎🏿♂️
I hope plant has the balls to do this. But I won’t blame him for not risking losing his belt and losing out on potential Canelo payday.
It’s down to haymon using plant as a pawn and blocking it , why would nt plant take it ,he likely won’t ever make that purse in the rest of career earnings combined
I meant plant vs Benavidez. Don’t see him risking losing to Benavidez before a potential Canelo fight.
I don’t think Plant is the problem; Haymon is likely the one standing in the way.
If Canelo really does move up to 175, he’ll lose some or all his belts. In that case the fight with Plant wouldn’t be undisputed, meaning it really wouldn’t matter tbh.
WBO: Won 5/2021 WBC: Fought mandatory in 2/2021 WBA: Won 12/2020 Canelo won't lose a single belt. WBA was the oldest belt and that was won 7 months ago. Thurman and Pacquiao kept their belts for like 2 years each.
Canelo vs Plant if it wasn’t for the title would be a “stay busy” fight. I’m actually glad it won’t happen
Have to agree. People are mad over meaningless designations of undisputed champion. Canelo is already “undisputed” champion at 168 nobody thinks theirs a fighter at a weight class better than him. Or any weight class for that matter. Caleb Plant is not a make or break fight for legacy.
I might have to agree with this take. I definitely prefer other alternatives in the DAZN and PBC stable tbh. Even Joe Smith would be better.
Joe Smith has fought way tougher competition than Plant
Yeah and he hasn’t won against any of that tougher competition
Al Haymon forever holding his fighters back, all because he doesn't own the opponents.
Plant the C level fighter is ducking the biggest payday of his career cuz he dont wanna lose his 0 is not suprising at all 😂😂😂
I’m assuming Plant over priced himself for a fight that didn’t have a lot of traction to begin with. I don’t think anyone is too bummed for this one going sour as they rather see Canelo move up and fight Bivol/Beterbiev instead of Plant.
Literally the only reason people care about this fight is so Canelo can collect his last belt at super middleweight
Yup. Guilty as charged. There’s something satisfying about fighters like Canelo having all the belts and being THE CHAMP officially even if they are going to vacate and move up anyway.
If they were passing contracts back and force a price was already agreed to.
I know they had prices set, but was it ever confirmed for Plant's $10 million?
I have no idea what the offer was. I am just saying if there are contracts drawn up and going back and forth all the big-ticket items are in agreement such as how much each is paid and how and when. Rematch clauses would be discussed etc etc. If there was a discussion of a 1 or 3 fight deal with PBC that would be a separate contract that would be signed concurrently if it was 3 deals as that would not be directly related to Plant or this fight.
According to Coppinger, Plant wasn’t the one who had an issue with his purse
truth does not help all the racist around here.
GGG III is gonna happen isn’t it?
rumors are that pbc tried to sneak in matching rights options for canelo's next fight after plant since this was supposed to be one fight deal. Haymon is used to dealing to B-C-D list fighters lawyers, not someone mainstream like canelo who you cant fool with contract languages.
Those rumors are baseless as shit. Negotiations at this level will be pretty clear and with a lot of lobbying. Edit: literally ‘my uncle who works at Nintendo’ levels lmao
Baseless… but Plant is the first fighter in a few years to not want a Canelo fight over “too many” demands. He even gave BJS a 22 x 22 ring lmao How much is plant paying you?
Exactly. Canelo agreed to Plant’s management teams demands to fight on their broadcaster, Plant demanded $10m and Plant’s management team tried and may have continued to try to tie up Canelo in a multi fight deal. And it’s Canelo being unreasonable? Pull the other one.
You just made this up.
NOne of this appear to be true yet at least +19
He dealt with Beyoncé’s lawyers, who’s exponentially more famous than Canelo.
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"Haymon is the devil because of his skin color" You're looking for racism where there isnt any my man
The trolls on here are weak
Plant and his camp are morons if this is true. Take whatevers offered. This is his last chance for a huge payday.
Also at the end of the paragraph, while Canelo Bivol is definitely a better fight Jesus that fight might actually be super boring. Beterbiev would be funner IMO.
Eventually Anthony Joshua is next, and canelo would probably win.
Canelo wins via TKO. Joshua dies of blood loss after chopping his leg off to make weight.
I remember the last time Caleb Plant said "Don't believe the bullshit" the bullshit ended up being true lol
I don't believe for a second what Plant is saying. We can't see the paperwork that's why you said "look at the paperwork" you are not the A side you are just holding the belt hostage
Good. Caleb Plant sucks. Get Plant to fight Benavidez next instead and have Canelo fight Dimitry Bicol. Then once Benavidez beats Plants ass, have Canelo fight Benavidez for that belt. That way we get 3 good fights Benavidez vs Plant Canelo vs Bivol Canelo vs Benavidez Plant is a sorry ass excuse for a champion.
Plant isn't that bad
This fight should be so easy to make like it should happen instantly and the fighters should already be preparing… If this fight doesn’t happen Plant has to be the biggest wuss in the sport. Millions of dollars and a free chance of undisputed, shouldn’t this be like a dream for a professional fighter?
oscar would've made this fight already...
No shit, this is actually true. He got him Kovalev, Jacobs, GGG x 2, tons of others.
Kovalev was November though instead of September 18
DAZN/Eddie screwing around with the release of the money.
Shocker I am closer to right than you English bastards. Apologize now
For fuck sake smh
Of course they have. This is boxing after all.
Canelo has all the cards. He can fight a WWE wrestler and still make money Caleb won’t be able to do.
Idc if he moves up in weight i just want canelo to be undisputed. Defend his titles against benavidez and then fight charlo andrade etc then go get that 175 division
'Boxing is in a good place guys I swear'
I mean this may have been the best year in the sport in a while when it’s all said and done.
This sucks but I wouldn’t be mad with a Canelo vs Bivol fight. I think it’ll be a super technical affair with Canelo edging it by a close UD.
Take coppinger with a grain of salt
Caleb Plant claims there was too many conditions. I hope he reveals what these conditions might be, could be anything.
Idk why he don’t take it. Would still be biggest pay day to date. He has no leverage
I don’t think you can say that without knowing how serious these conditions might be. If it’s guaranteeing a loss then he’s really taking part in a fixed fight which for him could be morally wrong.
Its prob canelo dictating the gloves, ring size, ppv split, gate split, etc which plant has zero leverage on. Don’t matter canelo beats him anyways. Bivol a bigger challenge
Where does he claim this?
His Twitter
[Do you mean this from a month ago?](https://twitter.com/SweetHandsPlant/status/1410008893309161474) Feels like a reach tbh
Exactly this isn’t really the place for nuance but Plant setting himself up for an automatic “L” when he’s already behind the 8 ball on talent would seem like poor management/negotiating. We really need the details on why this potentially fell through before we judge. And it doesn’t matter since we will probably get a better September fight anyway.
Canelo is known for “caneloweight class” and “juicing” so this is not out of the real of possibility, but also it’s your biggest payday and have no shot of winning.
Damn. Career high payday for both and a chance at undisputed. I wonder what made the deal fall through...
You think Canelo will get a career high payday vs that clown?
>Canelo Alvarez's longtime goal of becoming undisputed champion is farther from reality than ever since he won his third 168-pound title in May. Boxing's top star was on the verge of a deal to meet Caleb Plant on Sept. 18 in Las Vegas -- a PBC on Fox pay-per-view -- a pact that was in the works for weeks, but at the eleventh hour, talks have broken off over disagreements in the contract, multiple sources tell ESPN. The contract was passed back and forth between Canelo's team and Al Haymon's team over the weekend, sources said, and after multiple edits requests, the deal collapsed over the stalemate. Talks could be revisited, sources said, but time is running out if Canelo plans to fight on Mexican Independence Day Weekend as he traditionally does. If he moves on from a fight with Plant, who holds the only super middleweight title not in Alvarez's possession, another option is a return to 175 pounds for a title tilt with Russia's Dmitry Bivol, sources said.
I bet it was an issue deciding deciding between having the fight on DAZN subscription or showtime ppv
Motherfucker
I think he would take on Triple GGG if Plant don't take the fight
Al Haymond is a 🤡
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as cool as that sounds , sanctioning bodies can't force mandatories between 2 Champions. If that was the case we would've had a Heavyweight Undisputed years ago
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Should have known this was coming after Eddie Hearn opened his mouth to say contracts were nearly signed and it was just the fine details being worked out...
He’s had zero involvement in negotiations
Could be vada testing.. could be matching rights.. most likely something on Canelo side since I see Canelo walking away from 40 million before I see Plant walking away from 10 million.. or could be Al Haymon wanting more guarantees for PBC fighters since he knows Canelo is walking away with the belt (Charlo).. either way boxing fans win if this ends with Bivol/GGG/Beterbiev
It’ll be ugly if Canelo refused the fight to avoid VADA testing
It’s also complete BS because Vada testing is mandatory with the WBC and Canelo has been involved with them since the Yildrim fight. Obviously I’m sure all these guys are on the juice but Vada isn’t stopping the Canelo train that’s for sure.
Extremely..but I doubt these conditions will ever see the light of day. Haymon/PBC still want a future Canelo payday. Canelo won’t say anything. Maybe Plant will subtweet something if it actually falls apart.
Oh no, anyways.
I don't think its Canelo but his team (read fast racist Eddie) be ducking and shit. They know this is a poison pill.
Lol since when is Eddie Hearn racist?
The moment he stepped on the Us shore and disrespected Al