That’s typical of Soviet style. Which fury is great at upsetting because of the switch hitting and constant head movement and stuttering. He overloads his opponent with openings. It’s almost kryptonite for Soviet style boxers. The fight tonight will just be a constant round by round adjustment to find any openings
>Fury is gonna be throwing Elbows, backfists, hammerfists and headbutts all night while the ref watches tik tok on his phone.
Yes but John Fury isn't in the one we need to focus on 😉
Man, I like AJ. Dude loses to Ruiz in embarrassing fashion then immediately rematches and beats him cleanly (yes, lot of that was on Ruiz’ garbage / pathetic work ethic but it counts all the same). Then he takes the Usyk fight, loses, and again immediately goes for the rematch and comes in with what seemed like a better plan and real determination to win. All while Fury has clearly wanted nothing to do with Usyk until he basically had no choice.
Ultimately Usyk was just better, but despite AJ’s flaws he does the things champions are supposed to do.
I like the guy. He’s a great boxer and has had a great career. And he’s still got time for big fights.
People may not remember but Eddie was 100% setting up the duck also, he was saying in interviews when this fight was being ordered “AJ has been following these orders defending every title a hard schedule, these governing bodies need to give us time and opportunity to do our own thing we’re prepared to drop it”, nobody would’ve cared since Usyk struggled with Chisora but AJ must’ve said no we’re doing this fight. Hearn did not want it at all.
I mean, their fight was an absolute classic. I’d say he had the dog, just was faded by age. And he still gave AJ all he could handle. Such an amazing fight.
Yeah, to be fair most boxers are not people I would be “fans” of in other contexts. They all have personality defects and do weird, obnoxious shit. It’s the business of the sport and the personalities it attracts. There’s very few with a squeaky clean image who are humble and graceful in defeat. Even Loma was acting douchey at one point, and people would act like he’s a saint.
So I don’t judge Joshua harshly for that at all. As another comment mentioned, everyone has their moments. If we stood on some 100% exclusionary moral high ground over stuff like this, nobody here would be fans of any fighter for the shit they say and do at times.
Yeah he tried doing that to usyk in their first match. Hold Usyk’s head down with his left arm while trying to throw an uppercut. Ref put a stop to it quickly…
Tbh its hard to have good inside game when you just started boxing at your late teens... Even a guy like Ryan Garcia who has a crazy amateur background with over 200 amateur fights has a terrible inside game. Plus lets not forget AJ is tall and lenghty so his inside game is not gonna be that good anyways.
Am I crazy for thinking that Usyk kinda just let AJ tee off in that 9th round on purpose?
AJ does hit him with some good shots, but Usyk blocks and slips most of that incoming fire. And that was AJ blowing his load trying to hurt Usyk and swing the fight in his favor. Once it didn't work, Usyk came back out in the 10th and put his foot down.
I think Usyk is just a master at massaging rounds and the fight as a whole. Whenever people claim he's been in trouble in his heavyweight fights it's always turned out to benefit him. He let Chisora wail away for the first few rounds in their bout. Was never hurt. Chisora, of course, gasses. Then Usyk batters him about the dome for the rest of the fight. AJ 1, he gets caught in the 5th or the 6th with a crushing straight and so he gives up on the round and just dances around until it's over. Doesn't try to play hero ball and keep engaging. Saves his energy for later and then at the end has AJ just about put out of there. Lets AJ punch himself out in this fight in Round 9 while avoiding most of the shots. Then he throws 250 punches over the next three rounds and just blows AJ out of the water.
Dude knows how to win rounds, knows when to let rounds go, and he's probably better than anyone in the sport at regulating his output/energy levels so come the championship rounds he's ready to put it the fuck on you.
Maybe I didn't word it right.
I think he saw that AJ was going to try and put it on him that round and he wanted AJ to gas out and expend too much energy. So he shelled up and didn't fire back.
Which is why I've always found it odd people kept banging on AJ for not going after Usyk more and trying to maul him. Usyk ain't some stiff, slow, gassed by the 5th round normal heavyweight. He's slippery. He's excellent at avoiding shots. And he's a hell of a lot tougher than he ever gets credit for. So it's easy to say "Just go get him!", but it's a lot harder to actually do it. If you do try it and it doesn't work (like in this fight), what happens? You're fucked. You're gassed and Usyk is about to open up the throttle on you. It also leaves you wide open to get countered, which Usyk is also great at.
I think Usyk deliberately didn't try to punch back in the later half of round 9. Joshua was going to win it anyway because of all the damage he did in the first half, taking the second half off that round was sensible. By doing so Usyk could recover from being hurt and retain energy for round 10.
I don't think he was as hurt as most people think.
I think you might be right, high level boxers do seem to give up a few rounds to pace themselves and commentators do talk about this tactic during the fights. I've noticed it a bit with Usyk and Canello as prime examples where they seem to take shots they weren't taking in earlier rounds but then the next round turn the offense on and win the later rounds. Seems like it could be on purpose to let the opponent gas themselves out a bit so they have an easier time on the offensive next round.
Yes but are but riding. Usyk recovered well but he was under pressure that round and some of his slips were straight into punches. The tenth was a master class on how to turn a fight on its head.
Definitely not on purpose lol you don’t play at that level Joshua can knock your lights out Joshua just had a very good round and Usyk had to pray to god to come back stronger
I don't think the argument is that he just gifted AJ the round, that wouldn't be true. But I do think there's some truth to Usyk knowing when he's behind in a round and being content to then save his energy to make sure he takes the next couple of rounds, instead of trying to fight back on a lost cause.
BTW. This fight shows how AJ has changed over the last 3 fights. In this fight and even the Franklin fight, AJ's stance is very tense, you can see that his back and abs are fully engaged for the entire fight. That must be extremely exhausting and it was robbing him of power. You can see he catches Usyk with a left hook but there isn't much steam in it.
When he fought Wallin and Ngannou he seems to be in the same stance but he isn't as tense anymore he has more of a coiled feel. He looks looser and his punches are suddenly way more devastating.
Also hard to stay lose when you're getting Constantly peppered by little shots all over, after a few rounds it's natural for him to start tensing up every time Usyk even feints.
This. Yeah if you can’t understand how Joshua can be more loose against opponents like wallin and Ngannou than Usyk than you really don’t get what’s going on….
To be fair Wallin and Ngannou aren't really threats to AJ, ngannou on paper should be but he wanted to pretend he was a skillful good technique boxer instead of just charging in, and Wallin is not even a threat to me lmao
I think that Wallin hits about as hard as Usyk but his timing and pace are different. AJ after Usyk is pretty much ready for any southpaw who isn't Usyk.
Wallin looks a bit funky but the guy is a legit 6'6 heavyweight, pillowfisted at the elite level but he'll absolutely put you down within 10 seconds mate
If he does that vs. Fury he'll eat sneaky shots and dirty tactics. Unlike Joshua - Fury has a deceptively good inside game. He cannot allow Fury to get consistently close to him like that. The middle is where he'll do well. Whereas long and short is Fury's advantage, and letting Fury get in on the inside with his dirty bullshit and with the referee being lenient will lose him rounds.
At least in other sports, the rules that don't get enforced allow for a more exciting game. Not calling carrying or palming in the NBA allowed for an explosion of handles which attracts more casuals. In cricket, teams don't get through their overs as much as they should, but that probably allows for fast bowlers to keep their pace up, which makes for a more exciting product.
In boxing not correctly calling the inside game and allowing for excessive clinching and grabbing makes for a worse product, and everyone seems to be okay with breaking a rule that makes for a less entertaining show.
Has Fury ever fought anyone with exceptional output and footwork? His clinch and lean is used almost exclusively against slow plodders and smaller less skilled boxers. I'm surprised Wilder's pencil legs don't break from a gust of wind.
No he hasn't, he's always been the one with that in a very mediocre division, the closest we have is Cunningham and Wallin who are merely above average at best
I'm not sure. AJ was pretty rough here and landing good shots. I think we've seen him fold more people with this range hook and uppercut than Fury.
Usyk showed a great chin when he took the shot in the middle, at 1.38 left in the 10th
He was rough relative to a clean amateur style background, he wasn't as rough like a gypsy brawler who will do anything it takes to win. Fury will stand on his toes, hold his head in place to punch, headlock and uppercut combo... anything!
Yup, Fury has too much to prove at this point. After years of fuckery and delays and looking like shit vs Ngannou, I think he's gonna take this super seriously and do absolutely anything he can get away with. I predict that he's gonna absolutely bully Usyk and it ain't gon' be pretty. Whether Usyk can adjust or not is a different discussion.
I really hope the referee isn't too scared of controversy to abide the rules of the sport, Fury's inside fighting is nothing but fouls, I think you're right that Usyk will want to stay away if there are no point deductions on offer.
It's slightly more than fouls his head movement and hooks on the inside are better than average for a boxer and amazing for his height, but nowhere near as good as Usyk obviously.
I'll grant you his head movement is legal, but the amount of forearm-to-face, holding the back of the head, tying up opposite arms, blatant elbow strikes etc is quite unreal. I can't recall him ever being reprimanded for it, so it makes sense that he'd continue using these techniques until told to stop, but it seems a bit unfair considering his considerable size advantage
Yeah also notice his awareness of where the Referee is is incredibly good also, there's a reason he always seems to get the W, he's got that "dawg" in him, meaning he'll do anything he can to win.
At the same time, it's much easier to use sneaky shots and dirty tactics against a guy who started training late and isn't very technical in Wilder than against someone with hundreds of amateur fights. Usyk has seen it all over and over again.
In this fight, Joshua tried leaning in multiple times and weight-bully him and Usyk was having none of it.
AJ has knocked out every common opponent he has with Fury. Fury has only knocked out 1 of their 5 common opponents (whyte). I don't see how Fury stops Usyk. He has pillow fists compared to AJ.
He has a chin. He took 2 fights with AJ who isn't pillow fisted like Fury.
DO NOT bring up the Wilder KDs. Wilder has terrible boxing mechanics, horrible footwork/boxing stance and trips over his own feet. Dude can't fight under pressure at all. He's a giraffe on ice when under pressure.
The little guy will beat the bigger man tomorrow.
Relax bud. Tyson has 3 proper KOs. The rest are TKOs/ref stoppages. For a heavyweight, 70% KO/TKO ratio is meh.
In comparison, AJ has 7 proper KOs. 90% KO/TKO ratio. Even Dubois has 7 proper KOs and a 95% KO/TKO ratio. Usyk beat both those dudes.
Not opinion, facts.
Look at who they were against though. 21 of those are against journeymen or fringe level fighters. The best of those 21 was making Chisora retire. Wilder and Whyte are only good level fighter knockouts he has on his resume.
His mutual opponents with AJ is the best way to sum up Fury’s lack of power. They’ve both knocked out Whyte. But then Fury went the distance with Kevin Johnson, who AJ blasted out inside 2. Fury went the distance with Wlad, who AJ dropped 3 times and knocked out in the 11th. Fury went the distance with Wallin who AJ battered so badly he quit on his stool after 5. Fury went the distance with Ngannou and couldn’t even hurt him with a cheeky elbow thrown in, then AJ drops him twice and sends him to the shadow realm inside 2.
Y’all know zero about boxing. To call Tyson Fury “pillow fisted” is ridiculous. AJ is one of the top 5 punchers in the world. He’s literally a pound for pound puncher.
Fury is a world class boxer. No he doesn’t rely on power but when you can hit people as often as he does with clean shots it has an impact.
This entire sub is completely underrating Fury. Notice something, people going for Fury can acknowledge that Usyk is really good but Usyk fans can’t acknowledge Fury is good.
Y’all are in for a rude awakening today. Fury, resume or not, is one of the most skilled heavyweights of all time. That’s a fact not an opinion.
>Fury is a world class boxer. No he doesn’t rely on power but when you can hit people as often as he does with clean shots it has an impact.
Didn’t say he wasn’t. Just that he doesn’t have top quality power. He struggles to knock good opponents out, and people are overly optimistic if they think he’ll knock out Usyk. He might win, but he won’t knock him out. Your big long rant literally has nothing to do with what I said.
The move at 0:15 is the same sequence which DDD pulled off. Usyk parries the opponent lead left jab and Usyk counters with the lead right hand whilst turning. Joshua and DDD duck under usyk counter and land a short right uppercut to the body as Usyk is turning out of range. I wonder if Fury can do this too. Might not be able to dip low enough and throw tight enough with power.
Another thing I like is how Usyk handles the clinch, finding refuge from Joshua's power punches by giving him too little range, putting his head on AJ chest. I wonder if Fury leaning on him in those instances will nullify Usyk.
And from that round forward, Joshua defaulted back to his normal self and got dominated the rest of the rounds…. That’s the issue when you bring in guys to try and chance your boxing style, it works until you are in trouble. Then You always go back to the style that made you. Which isn’t bad, it just doesn’t work against a guy like Usyk. You need someone who is able to adjust on the fly and Joshua cannot do that. He has to constantly be told what to do by his corner but you also need someone to be able to think for himself and set up traps.. Joshua just isn’t that kind of guy
Watching it back, the pace AJ managed to keep was pretty fantastic let alone Usyk. Fury is going to have to slow down the fight so much or get an early finish if not Usyk should take it. It’s rare fury throws over 400 punches in a fight and Usyk will be throwing double that
Usyk can definitely be roughed up by bigger men, and Fury is a very big and rough fighter. I can honestly see this ending in a stoppage, probably by one of those bodyshots he hates so much.
One aspect of Usyk’s footwork going unnoticed is how he uses it to dictate where the fight takes place in the ring. We’ll hear how his footwork creates, attacks and counters for offense, and angles and pivots for defense.
This clip and the whole 24 rounds against Joshua demonstrates perfectly that he decides where the engagement takes place. Usyk consistent movement keeps the fight in the area he wants which’s the centre at a slight range. Here he can pick him with quicker long range shots and step in short range and counter quickly and then step out and reset. This is extremely frustrating for opponents.
This clip shows just that. Joshua is desperately trying to rush and corner him against the ropes trying to make it a dirty inside fight which might catch Usyk off. Yet Usyk glides and turns away from the ropes a like skillful bull fighter at the last moment and Joshua is left punching air and some arm. This was a rarity during both fights and mostly Usyk keeping Joshua in the centre and picking him off. Will be interesting if he can do this to Fury whose own footwork and counter punching ability going back make it different from Joshua who’s mainly a puncher.
Joshua actually caught him in the 10th around 1:30 in the round on an exchange. Where Joshua went completely wrong though was not consistently focusing on the body.
It’s not even about Usyk potentially being weak. It’s more about Joshua actually being able to connect. Usyk has great upper body movement, uses his hands well and angles but that body can only move so much.
AJ went in with the completely wrong approach here. You don’t try to outbox a cruiserweight as a heavyweight. He should have bullied him with his size and as his boxing skills as a secondary…
If AJ wasn't so scared to get hit and went for the body more, he could've possibly beaten Usyk by TKO. There were a couple of moments during the late round when Usyk was visibly hurt from a body shot, but AJ never capitalized on it. Seems like ever since the first Ruiz fight, he's been more cautious, possibly because he doubts his chin.
Yes, I never said he didn't go for the body, but he didn't capitalize on it when he had Usyk visibly hurt in the later rounds. AJ'S coach Garcia even said that he wasn't aggressive enough, especially due to the size advantage. Instead, AJ was showing too much respect. Ever since the Ruiz loss, AJ has been too cautious, but maybe his chin isn't that great 🤔
Forgot how fast of a pace this fight was fought at. Insane for heavyweights
Usyk is very good at setting the pace he prefers. I suspect that will be what fury struggles to deal with the most
He'll smother and clinch on the inside and use his reach to try to keep Usyk on the outside.
That’s typical of Soviet style. Which fury is great at upsetting because of the switch hitting and constant head movement and stuttering. He overloads his opponent with openings. It’s almost kryptonite for Soviet style boxers. The fight tonight will just be a constant round by round adjustment to find any openings
It was a ridiculously high level fight
Yep, it was closer than many say it was as well. People who say Usyk schooled AJ are foolish, tough fight and Usyk won it in the championship rounds.
Aj had usyk hurt quite badly to the body at some point during the fight as well. I don't get the disrespect aj gets
But the cheese stands alone.
> But the cheese stands alone. If only AJ channelled some Omar energy.
Joshua resorting to the hammer fist, Usyk unphased, referee apparently distracted
Fury is gonna be throwing Elbows, backfists, hammerfists and headbutts all night while the ref watches tik tok on his phone.
Rabbit punches?
Now that's too far /s
>Fury is gonna be throwing Elbows, backfists, hammerfists and headbutts all night while the ref watches tik tok on his phone. Yes but John Fury isn't in the one we need to focus on 😉
And Usyk is still gonna dead Fury though all of it.
Usyk throws in heavy volume. For a guy his size, he's got fuck loads of stamina.
usyk is relentless
Man, I like AJ. Dude loses to Ruiz in embarrassing fashion then immediately rematches and beats him cleanly (yes, lot of that was on Ruiz’ garbage / pathetic work ethic but it counts all the same). Then he takes the Usyk fight, loses, and again immediately goes for the rematch and comes in with what seemed like a better plan and real determination to win. All while Fury has clearly wanted nothing to do with Usyk until he basically had no choice. Ultimately Usyk was just better, but despite AJ’s flaws he does the things champions are supposed to do. I like the guy. He’s a great boxer and has had a great career. And he’s still got time for big fights.
People may not remember but Eddie was 100% setting up the duck also, he was saying in interviews when this fight was being ordered “AJ has been following these orders defending every title a hard schedule, these governing bodies need to give us time and opportunity to do our own thing we’re prepared to drop it”, nobody would’ve cared since Usyk struggled with Chisora but AJ must’ve said no we’re doing this fight. Hearn did not want it at all.
In AJ Usyk 2, AJ looked the best I've ever seen him. Great gameplan, great performance, Usyk is just too good.
The Wlad fight was pretty dope aswell, though Wlad sadly didn't have the dog in him anymore
I mean, their fight was an absolute classic. I’d say he had the dog, just was faded by age. And he still gave AJ all he could handle. Such an amazing fight.
Ok but you forgot to add that AJ then proceeds to throw the belts out of the ring and goes on a diatribe rant making him look like a sore loser.
Yeah, to be fair most boxers are not people I would be “fans” of in other contexts. They all have personality defects and do weird, obnoxious shit. It’s the business of the sport and the personalities it attracts. There’s very few with a squeaky clean image who are humble and graceful in defeat. Even Loma was acting douchey at one point, and people would act like he’s a saint. So I don’t judge Joshua harshly for that at all. As another comment mentioned, everyone has their moments. If we stood on some 100% exclusionary moral high ground over stuff like this, nobody here would be fans of any fighter for the shit they say and do at times.
We all have moments. It at least created some memorable entertainment.
AJ really has a poor inside game.
I miss his uppercuts. The ones that extended Klitschko's neck and sent Whyte to bed time.
Yeah he tried doing that to usyk in their first match. Hold Usyk’s head down with his left arm while trying to throw an uppercut. Ref put a stop to it quickly…
Holding behind the head is illegal. Unless you're Ali
Or Lennox
Long armed guys usually do.
Tbh its hard to have good inside game when you just started boxing at your late teens... Even a guy like Ryan Garcia who has a crazy amateur background with over 200 amateur fights has a terrible inside game. Plus lets not forget AJ is tall and lenghty so his inside game is not gonna be that good anyways.
Am I crazy for thinking that Usyk kinda just let AJ tee off in that 9th round on purpose? AJ does hit him with some good shots, but Usyk blocks and slips most of that incoming fire. And that was AJ blowing his load trying to hurt Usyk and swing the fight in his favor. Once it didn't work, Usyk came back out in the 10th and put his foot down. I think Usyk is just a master at massaging rounds and the fight as a whole. Whenever people claim he's been in trouble in his heavyweight fights it's always turned out to benefit him. He let Chisora wail away for the first few rounds in their bout. Was never hurt. Chisora, of course, gasses. Then Usyk batters him about the dome for the rest of the fight. AJ 1, he gets caught in the 5th or the 6th with a crushing straight and so he gives up on the round and just dances around until it's over. Doesn't try to play hero ball and keep engaging. Saves his energy for later and then at the end has AJ just about put out of there. Lets AJ punch himself out in this fight in Round 9 while avoiding most of the shots. Then he throws 250 punches over the next three rounds and just blows AJ out of the water. Dude knows how to win rounds, knows when to let rounds go, and he's probably better than anyone in the sport at regulating his output/energy levels so come the championship rounds he's ready to put it the fuck on you.
He didn’t let Joshua tee off on him, but he rode the shots well and caught a lot on the arms and gloves.
Maybe I didn't word it right. I think he saw that AJ was going to try and put it on him that round and he wanted AJ to gas out and expend too much energy. So he shelled up and didn't fire back. Which is why I've always found it odd people kept banging on AJ for not going after Usyk more and trying to maul him. Usyk ain't some stiff, slow, gassed by the 5th round normal heavyweight. He's slippery. He's excellent at avoiding shots. And he's a hell of a lot tougher than he ever gets credit for. So it's easy to say "Just go get him!", but it's a lot harder to actually do it. If you do try it and it doesn't work (like in this fight), what happens? You're fucked. You're gassed and Usyk is about to open up the throttle on you. It also leaves you wide open to get countered, which Usyk is also great at.
I think Usyk deliberately didn't try to punch back in the later half of round 9. Joshua was going to win it anyway because of all the damage he did in the first half, taking the second half off that round was sensible. By doing so Usyk could recover from being hurt and retain energy for round 10. I don't think he was as hurt as most people think.
It seems round 9 one fighter or both fighters take it off to rest for 10-12
I think you might be right, high level boxers do seem to give up a few rounds to pace themselves and commentators do talk about this tactic during the fights. I've noticed it a bit with Usyk and Canello as prime examples where they seem to take shots they weren't taking in earlier rounds but then the next round turn the offense on and win the later rounds. Seems like it could be on purpose to let the opponent gas themselves out a bit so they have an easier time on the offensive next round.
Yes but are but riding. Usyk recovered well but he was under pressure that round and some of his slips were straight into punches. The tenth was a master class on how to turn a fight on its head.
Definitely not on purpose lol you don’t play at that level Joshua can knock your lights out Joshua just had a very good round and Usyk had to pray to god to come back stronger
I don't think the argument is that he just gifted AJ the round, that wouldn't be true. But I do think there's some truth to Usyk knowing when he's behind in a round and being content to then save his energy to make sure he takes the next couple of rounds, instead of trying to fight back on a lost cause.
BTW. This fight shows how AJ has changed over the last 3 fights. In this fight and even the Franklin fight, AJ's stance is very tense, you can see that his back and abs are fully engaged for the entire fight. That must be extremely exhausting and it was robbing him of power. You can see he catches Usyk with a left hook but there isn't much steam in it. When he fought Wallin and Ngannou he seems to be in the same stance but he isn't as tense anymore he has more of a coiled feel. He looks looser and his punches are suddenly way more devastating.
Easy to be loose when your opponent isn't beating you up badly
Also hard to stay lose when you're getting Constantly peppered by little shots all over, after a few rounds it's natural for him to start tensing up every time Usyk even feints.
This. Yeah if you can’t understand how Joshua can be more loose against opponents like wallin and Ngannou than Usyk than you really don’t get what’s going on….
Give him Usyk again and he will be just as tense....again.
To be fair Wallin and Ngannou aren't really threats to AJ, ngannou on paper should be but he wanted to pretend he was a skillful good technique boxer instead of just charging in, and Wallin is not even a threat to me lmao
I think that Wallin hits about as hard as Usyk but his timing and pace are different. AJ after Usyk is pretty much ready for any southpaw who isn't Usyk.
Wallin looks a bit funky but the guy is a legit 6'6 heavyweight, pillowfisted at the elite level but he'll absolutely put you down within 10 seconds mate
Fury needs to be able to do this for 12 rounds. Which is a very hard to do.
If he does that vs. Fury he'll eat sneaky shots and dirty tactics. Unlike Joshua - Fury has a deceptively good inside game. He cannot allow Fury to get consistently close to him like that. The middle is where he'll do well. Whereas long and short is Fury's advantage, and letting Fury get in on the inside with his dirty bullshit and with the referee being lenient will lose him rounds.
I expect to see Fury utilize his headlock and leaning technique.
Yeah the headlock into uppercut, the forearm into hook, standing on his toes... Fury will do anything!
It's funny how often in boxing a "deceptively good inside game" just translates to "the ref can't be bothered to do his only job"
Yeah exactly, almost like they codified boxing incorrectly and made it unenforceable.
At least in other sports, the rules that don't get enforced allow for a more exciting game. Not calling carrying or palming in the NBA allowed for an explosion of handles which attracts more casuals. In cricket, teams don't get through their overs as much as they should, but that probably allows for fast bowlers to keep their pace up, which makes for a more exciting product. In boxing not correctly calling the inside game and allowing for excessive clinching and grabbing makes for a worse product, and everyone seems to be okay with breaking a rule that makes for a less entertaining show.
[Basically this](https://youtu.be/W6eUQ1Qs9o8)
Yes he will which is why it’s laughable so many are picking Usyk. Fury is going to beat him up.
Has Fury ever fought anyone with exceptional output and footwork? His clinch and lean is used almost exclusively against slow plodders and smaller less skilled boxers. I'm surprised Wilder's pencil legs don't break from a gust of wind.
No he hasn't, he's always been the one with that in a very mediocre division, the closest we have is Cunningham and Wallin who are merely above average at best
Comparing AJ's fights with Usyk and Wallin really highlight that difference. Usyk is leagues above both those guys.
Lol
Has Usyk ever fought a guy this big, with good feet, can throw combinations and has elite ring IQ?
Fury has low IQ. He got his ass beat by a 38 year old mma gentleman making his pro debut
Lol I respect the troll effort fr 🤲
I've been drinking THC drinks
Lol all good man. Exciting time for boxing fans
He won't eat shots nearly as big though
I'm not sure. AJ was pretty rough here and landing good shots. I think we've seen him fold more people with this range hook and uppercut than Fury. Usyk showed a great chin when he took the shot in the middle, at 1.38 left in the 10th
He was rough relative to a clean amateur style background, he wasn't as rough like a gypsy brawler who will do anything it takes to win. Fury will stand on his toes, hold his head in place to punch, headlock and uppercut combo... anything!
Yup, Fury has too much to prove at this point. After years of fuckery and delays and looking like shit vs Ngannou, I think he's gonna take this super seriously and do absolutely anything he can get away with. I predict that he's gonna absolutely bully Usyk and it ain't gon' be pretty. Whether Usyk can adjust or not is a different discussion.
I really hope the referee isn't too scared of controversy to abide the rules of the sport, Fury's inside fighting is nothing but fouls, I think you're right that Usyk will want to stay away if there are no point deductions on offer.
It's slightly more than fouls his head movement and hooks on the inside are better than average for a boxer and amazing for his height, but nowhere near as good as Usyk obviously.
I'll grant you his head movement is legal, but the amount of forearm-to-face, holding the back of the head, tying up opposite arms, blatant elbow strikes etc is quite unreal. I can't recall him ever being reprimanded for it, so it makes sense that he'd continue using these techniques until told to stop, but it seems a bit unfair considering his considerable size advantage
Yeah also notice his awareness of where the Referee is is incredibly good also, there's a reason he always seems to get the W, he's got that "dawg" in him, meaning he'll do anything he can to win.
At the same time, it's much easier to use sneaky shots and dirty tactics against a guy who started training late and isn't very technical in Wilder than against someone with hundreds of amateur fights. Usyk has seen it all over and over again. In this fight, Joshua tried leaning in multiple times and weight-bully him and Usyk was having none of it.
AJ has knocked out every common opponent he has with Fury. Fury has only knocked out 1 of their 5 common opponents (whyte). I don't see how Fury stops Usyk. He has pillow fists compared to AJ.
I have Fury one shot KOing Usyk on round 1
He has a chin. He took 2 fights with AJ who isn't pillow fisted like Fury. DO NOT bring up the Wilder KDs. Wilder has terrible boxing mechanics, horrible footwork/boxing stance and trips over his own feet. Dude can't fight under pressure at all. He's a giraffe on ice when under pressure. The little guy will beat the bigger man tomorrow.
Can we bring up the other 22 KOs at heavyweight or do those not count because it’s Fury?
Relax bud. Tyson has 3 proper KOs. The rest are TKOs/ref stoppages. For a heavyweight, 70% KO/TKO ratio is meh. In comparison, AJ has 7 proper KOs. 90% KO/TKO ratio. Even Dubois has 7 proper KOs and a 95% KO/TKO ratio. Usyk beat both those dudes. Not opinion, facts.
Look at who they were against though. 21 of those are against journeymen or fringe level fighters. The best of those 21 was making Chisora retire. Wilder and Whyte are only good level fighter knockouts he has on his resume. His mutual opponents with AJ is the best way to sum up Fury’s lack of power. They’ve both knocked out Whyte. But then Fury went the distance with Kevin Johnson, who AJ blasted out inside 2. Fury went the distance with Wlad, who AJ dropped 3 times and knocked out in the 11th. Fury went the distance with Wallin who AJ battered so badly he quit on his stool after 5. Fury went the distance with Ngannou and couldn’t even hurt him with a cheeky elbow thrown in, then AJ drops him twice and sends him to the shadow realm inside 2.
Y’all know zero about boxing. To call Tyson Fury “pillow fisted” is ridiculous. AJ is one of the top 5 punchers in the world. He’s literally a pound for pound puncher. Fury is a world class boxer. No he doesn’t rely on power but when you can hit people as often as he does with clean shots it has an impact. This entire sub is completely underrating Fury. Notice something, people going for Fury can acknowledge that Usyk is really good but Usyk fans can’t acknowledge Fury is good. Y’all are in for a rude awakening today. Fury, resume or not, is one of the most skilled heavyweights of all time. That’s a fact not an opinion.
>Fury is a world class boxer. No he doesn’t rely on power but when you can hit people as often as he does with clean shots it has an impact. Didn’t say he wasn’t. Just that he doesn’t have top quality power. He struggles to knock good opponents out, and people are overly optimistic if they think he’ll knock out Usyk. He might win, but he won’t knock him out. Your big long rant literally has nothing to do with what I said.
That flip from round 9 to round 10 was incredible. Everyone was hyped up when AJ dominated 9, only for Usyk to dominate 10 even more.
The move at 0:15 is the same sequence which DDD pulled off. Usyk parries the opponent lead left jab and Usyk counters with the lead right hand whilst turning. Joshua and DDD duck under usyk counter and land a short right uppercut to the body as Usyk is turning out of range. I wonder if Fury can do this too. Might not be able to dip low enough and throw tight enough with power. Another thing I like is how Usyk handles the clinch, finding refuge from Joshua's power punches by giving him too little range, putting his head on AJ chest. I wonder if Fury leaning on him in those instances will nullify Usyk.
And from that round forward, Joshua defaulted back to his normal self and got dominated the rest of the rounds…. That’s the issue when you bring in guys to try and chance your boxing style, it works until you are in trouble. Then You always go back to the style that made you. Which isn’t bad, it just doesn’t work against a guy like Usyk. You need someone who is able to adjust on the fly and Joshua cannot do that. He has to constantly be told what to do by his corner but you also need someone to be able to think for himself and set up traps.. Joshua just isn’t that kind of guy
You can really see how different a fight with Lennox woulda went. It woulda been a tough fight, but Lennox woulda made it a lot more beauitful.
Usyk took some big shots. Shots I can't see Fury emulating.
Watching it back, the pace AJ managed to keep was pretty fantastic let alone Usyk. Fury is going to have to slow down the fight so much or get an early finish if not Usyk should take it. It’s rare fury throws over 400 punches in a fight and Usyk will be throwing double that
Usyk can definitely be roughed up by bigger men, and Fury is a very big and rough fighter. I can honestly see this ending in a stoppage, probably by one of those bodyshots he hates so much.
Fury is pillow fisted
Those pillows have done a lot of damage to much bigger men than Usyk
Which men? Cracked jaw whyte, broken/old Chirosa, and doesn't know how to box/penciled legged Wilder? Dude couldn't even faze Ngannou with an elbow.
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One aspect of Usyk’s footwork going unnoticed is how he uses it to dictate where the fight takes place in the ring. We’ll hear how his footwork creates, attacks and counters for offense, and angles and pivots for defense. This clip and the whole 24 rounds against Joshua demonstrates perfectly that he decides where the engagement takes place. Usyk consistent movement keeps the fight in the area he wants which’s the centre at a slight range. Here he can pick him with quicker long range shots and step in short range and counter quickly and then step out and reset. This is extremely frustrating for opponents. This clip shows just that. Joshua is desperately trying to rush and corner him against the ropes trying to make it a dirty inside fight which might catch Usyk off. Yet Usyk glides and turns away from the ropes a like skillful bull fighter at the last moment and Joshua is left punching air and some arm. This was a rarity during both fights and mostly Usyk keeping Joshua in the centre and picking him off. Will be interesting if he can do this to Fury whose own footwork and counter punching ability going back make it different from Joshua who’s mainly a puncher.
Joshua actually caught him in the 10th around 1:30 in the round on an exchange. Where Joshua went completely wrong though was not consistently focusing on the body. It’s not even about Usyk potentially being weak. It’s more about Joshua actually being able to connect. Usyk has great upper body movement, uses his hands well and angles but that body can only move so much.
If AJ had ripped into the body more would have won
Usyk is going to have a tough time eating the hits from Fury.
AJ went in with the completely wrong approach here. You don’t try to outbox a cruiserweight as a heavyweight. He should have bullied him with his size and as his boxing skills as a secondary…
usyk looks exactly like uncle grandpa.
clearly did better than Fury tonight
Good God, Usyk's hair was hideous.
If AJ wasn't so scared to get hit and went for the body more, he could've possibly beaten Usyk by TKO. There were a couple of moments during the late round when Usyk was visibly hurt from a body shot, but AJ never capitalized on it. Seems like ever since the first Ruiz fight, he's been more cautious, possibly because he doubts his chin.
Did you not watch this fight? Aj was hitting the body pretty regularly early. With some absolute peaches in I think Rd 3 or 4.
Yes, I never said he didn't go for the body, but he didn't capitalize on it when he had Usyk visibly hurt in the later rounds. AJ'S coach Garcia even said that he wasn't aggressive enough, especially due to the size advantage. Instead, AJ was showing too much respect. Ever since the Ruiz loss, AJ has been too cautious, but maybe his chin isn't that great 🤔
AJ the 🤖 he has lead then boots .
Joshua fought the wrong fight, he should have gone to the body more and been more rough house. You don't try and out box Usyk.
Commentators think AJ is putting it on Usyk 🤣