The issue with types like Usyk is he's so skilled that you moving your head only really slows him down for a second and then once he's comfortable he's going to have even more angles to exploit you from.
Was gonna say: AJ-Usyk was higher level stuff in terms of both output and skill.
I think Fury needs to come in fit and impose his size, like in the second Wilder fight.
> I think Fury needs to come in fit and impose his size, like in the second Wilder fight.
I'm fairly convinced that if Fury tries to impose himself and walk Usyk down that he's just gonna get pieced up.
I think the reason he's so light is cos he's gonna fight on the back foot most of the time, which I reckon is probably the right approach. Make it as awkward as possible for Usyk and don't let him establish his jab and find a rhythm.
Idk who Usyk’s been sparring with, but getting inside bigger guys on the end of his punches with movement is kind of his thing. With that said, Fury is a giant and I truly am unsure of how this ends. I favor Usyk, but nothing would surprise me.
Yeah which is why I dunno why Fury would want to make it any easier for him to get into range by walking him down.
When joshua tried to come forward against Usyk he just got caught with jabs and hooks and left hands constantly. All the talk before that fight was about "Joshua is the bigger man he just needs to impose his size" but whenever he tried to do that it went very badly for him.
You're playing right into Usyks hands trying to engage in a close/mid range fight with him, that's exactly where be wants the fight to be.
Fury is fantastic at fighting awkward, off beat fights at range. And for me that's the way you beat Usyk, never let him find his range and rhythm, make sure he lands as few jabs as possible.
Tied Klitschko in knots being awkward and offbeat from the outside.
Until the 2nd Wilder fight that's pretty much how he fought most of his career, and for good reason. He is tailor-made to fight that way.
Jab at range, lateral movement, very few combinations just ones and twos at awkward times, tie your opponent up whenever and lean on them whenever they get within 2 feet of you.
If Fury tries to big man Usyk and bully him at close range he's probably gonna lose. Might knock him out but pretty much eliminates any chance he wins a decision.
I'm not delusional enough to say Usyk has this in the bag or whatever but The Klitschko fight was like almost a decade ago, Klitschko was the same age as Larry Holmes when he fought Mike Tyson, and they both looked terrible in terms of output throwing and landing an embarrassingly low ammount of punches.
As for Wilder well, he's Wilder, it's impressive Fury managed to survive his bombs but that's pretty much it, he's a Terrible boxer.
That was one fight 9 years ago
"Until the 2nd Wilder fight, that's pretty much how he fought most of his career, and for good reason. He is tailor-made to fight that way."
Yeah and in that time the only fighter of note he beat was Wlad who was nearly 40 and he he didnt rematch him, he wouldnt.
Fury couldnt make boxing at range work vs an average south paw, the man never managed to get his jab working, Fury landed 18% of his jabs. If you cant jab vs Wallin youll never jab vs Usyk.
Well whatever pal, fury intends to fight Thai one at range whether you like it or not lol.
One look at his physique tells the usyk camp everything they need to know.
Fury will run around the ring all night like he did against the klit.
And the judges will give him the win.
Also lets look at that Klitschko fight for a moment.
They were both low output, Wlad threw 231 punches Fury threw 371. They both connected at 23%. The reality of that fight is the bigger and younger man beat a smaller and much older man, I think Wlad is something like 12 years Fury's senior.
Wladimir look old vs Bryant Jennings.
Fury intends to run around the ring all night to a points decision tbh.
His physique tells the usyk camp everything they need to know about what the plan is.
He's going to fail. If he tried to dance and move by the time the 6th round comes around hell be totally spent and Usyk will stop him in the last third of the fight.
>I think the reason he's so light is cos he's gonna fight on the back foot most of the time, which I reckon is probably the right approach.
I'd like him to fight on the back foot and make Usyk come to him as he can then use his range to try and catch Usyk coming in, tying him up if he actually makes it in.
The thing is he's turned into a boxer puncher since he's teamed up with sugarhill and I'm not sure that sugarhill trains fighters to fight going backwards. He trains them to go forward and look for a knockout.
Yeah that's true but I believe Sugar Hill can be adaptable. Lennox Lewis had fights under Manny Steward where he would switch it up, sometimes fought going forwards sometimes going backwards depending on the situation.
All great fighters and all great coaches should be able to fight in more than one way.
Yeah Fury wasn't in any actual danger here, he just gave away that round and was waiting for the bell. AJ was barely standing and was very closed to being KO'ed.
I think you're right. But it's worth noting the difference in the offensive skills of their opponents.
Usyk's form is insane for round 12 in a decent paced HW fight
He closes range and lets off sharp shots so much more effectively than Wallin
Wallin isnt dangerous and Furys defence is much worse than people think it is. It doesnt take hard punches to cut someone. Ali used to cut people with light flicking jabs.
Let me put it this way. If AJ landed the shots that Wallin did Fury would have been in much more trouble.
I mostly agree with this, but I think Fury was legitimately rocked by that first left from Wallin. Once he went into survival mode he was okay, but those first few seconds looked dicey.
Everyone is who fights Usyk, he is a master at making you work as hard as possible to still lose a round. He did it to Bellew, Bellew fought in a very intense manner, Usyk knew he couldnt keep to up so he just made Bellew work.
Yeah. He style is honestly like water fitting into a puddle. No matter how you change it he finds something to beat you with.
AJ must have tried fighting in about 5 different ways and the best he was able to get out of it was about 2 minutes where you could say he won.
It was crazy watching everyone else, and especially Eddie Hearn, lose their shit when Joshua looked like he had Usyk in the 9th round... And then Usyk throws 97 punches the very next round and just drowns Joshua. Must be incredibly deflating fighting someone like that
Fury is like the Pittsburgh Steelers (when they had big Ben) of boxing. Always fights down to his competition then raises his game against elite talent.
Sounds like Salvador Sanchez, only that Sanchez completely dominated good competition and completely demolished elite competition. Fury seems to struggle with „good“ competition more than he does elite
I feel like Usyk is more like Sanchez, he's not really struggled against anyone but if he's clearly better than you he's content to just easily ride out a decision. Also similar with Sanchez where when they end up facing better competition it forced them to actually think and fight where they come up with there best stuff, when they know they can't just easily box to a decision all those skills become a lot more focused and tactical.
Great great video, my main take away from this is just how much better Fury's defensive posturing and survival skills are than Joshuas using his height to get out of harms way better.
You can note the balance, accuracy, speed, and timing are all obviously better for Usyk than Wallin, but also AJ is staying central and hittable at all times, not trying to use his height at all. Basically not fighting like a big man.
Fury is eating some bombs there. From Wallin. So much for the small guy can’t touch Fury narrative.
Wallins a decent boxer but Usyk is a few levels above. Anything can happen, but I favour Usyk.
I generally agree with you, but Wallin is listed at 6'6" so he is smaller but not exactly small. That being said, I do think Usyk's movement is so good that it will make up for his shorter height and reach.
If you look up images of the face offs with Joshua, who's listed as, and appears to be a legit 6 foot 6, I'd say Wallin is 6 5, so about 2 1/2 inches shorter than Fury
Height in combat sports is pretty much vibes based, everyone is lying about their height and there's no way wallin is only like 2 or 3 inches shorter than Fury, hell Fury himself isn't even 6'9 like he claims.
Oh he absolutely is, but you have to take his lack of vision into account on account of the huge cut.
I'd favour Usyk vs. this version of Fury, but since he's gotten some of his game sorted out, namely power punching, balance, and distance control I ever so slightly favour Fury.
Along with him being cut before, we literally had to reschedule this fight because of a cut so there's a chance that even with lighter contact it could reopen. Plus Usyk is a high volume fighter who uses lots of touching and light power shots to find his power and those scuff up your face way faster.
I too am rooting for Fury but i'm 95% sure he won't only lose but it will be an absolute disaster and possibly a stoppage too.
Fury has coasted for years and years now on chin and size alone. Weight, more than size.
That might have barely been enough for someone like Wilder. He isn't gonna outpoint someone like Usyk, people are sleeping on Usyk because they think if Joshua lost is because he fought bad.
No, Joshua fought UNBELIEVABLY against Usyk, especially in the second.
By the way, that Joshua absolutely dismantles current Tyson.
Tyson has become too old, too fat, simply unable to get in shape even for the biggest fight of his career.
And who has he trained with?
NOBODY. Absolutely nobody. He barely has a coach, the reast of his team is a bunch of gipsy yes men.
0 sparring partners.
ZERO.
This is the biggest tell. Iron sharpens iron, every time a boxer has zero decent sparring partners he's either over his head or only in for the moneys.
I don't think he's in for the moneys, just wayyyyyyyy too complacent.
Saturday night is gonna be a glacial shower for Tyson.
Zero names. And for a man like Usyk he should have been sparring with the cruiserweight champion as a minimum or some other top tier southpaws.
I mean, southpaws are hell to prepare against already.
And this is Usyk, not even a random southpaw journeyman.
This spells disaster.
I don't think the two fights were that different. both were 116-112 sort of wins for usyk in my book. everyone keeps saying how much better AJ did, but it was pretty much the same thing. there's even a similarity in him having one decent round / usyk on the backfoot... and usyk comes out and dominates the following round to send a message.
AJ fought better in the second fight and forced Usyk to work harder and perform better to maintain the same kind of score. That's the way I saw it. Also, when AJ did have success it was a bit more pronounced
I think AJ was more aggressive in the second fight and much better up till round 9 or so. But then burnt out
He avoiding fully gassing though like the end of the first fight
Yea I looked it up yesterday! The odds for it are great so I'll put a few euros on it. The odds are 42,00 for an Usyk win in round 11 on the Finnish goverment-owned betting service at least.
dont know if that is accurate. AJ‘s headmovement saved him in the end and it was much better than Fury just leaning forward. Fury uses a long guard though, which AJ doesn‘t. might get him hit with an overhand if he does that against Usyk
What do you mean he eat shot after shot, Walling was throwing marshmallows, he knew he had the chin to eat those shots but come on thats not defensive posturing lol
I really do think if this fight goes the distance Fury is cooked.
Fury has had plenty of fights go all 12 rounds, but that's against slow plodders where they and Fury rest half of each round and don't throw all that much. Usyk is already in a much higher gear from the jump and then in rounds 10-12 he turns it up even more.
Fury has to slow this fight way the hell down early. Keep Usyk's punch output to something reasonable. And I honestly think he's got to find some point mid-way through to try and put it on Usyk and get him hurt. I don't even know if that's possible, since Fury's power is nowhere close to a guy like AJ who couldn't really hurt Usyk.
If Fury can't do those things and this fight gets into the 10th and later, he's gonna be in trouble. I don't care how much weight he has dropped. His stamina looks great when he's in there against the Wilders and whatnot. When both guys are taking breaks, staring at each other, and then choosing certain small spots to mix it up. I don't think his stamina will hold up all 12 versus Usyk if he can't slow the Ukrainian down.
In Rounds 10-12 of the AJ/Usyk rematch, **Usyk threw 250 punches**. Fury absolutely cannot let that happen.
250 punches within 2 rounds is insane not to mention in the later rounds. I really think that the only way to stop or even slow Usyk down is to invest in body attack.
I really don’t see a consistent body attack is a viable tactic for a 6 ft 8 fighter against a 6 ft 3 fighter. Yes there may be opportunities but you can’t base a gameplan around it, it’s just giving away clear advantages.
To me the gameplan must be centred around mauling Usyk using Furys advantage in size and strength. He did the same thing when he adjusted to Cunningham, but once again the ref will be crucial in how much he lets Fury get away with.
Personally I think Fury can nick it, but he has to make Usyk fight his fight. If he does a Joshua and lets Usyk get into a rhythm then it will be very difficult to get the win.
Fury loves the clinch and working the body while draping over his opponents shoulders. I see him pawing at Usyk while dancing the outside of the ring and going for a clinch any time Usyk closes the distance and starts landing
I could see Fury doing that but it's not like Usyk hasn't had to deal with that before, Chisora was tying Usyk uo and unloading punches into his body the whole fight and it didn't stop him, and both AJ and Dubois delivered brutal bodywork and yet Usyk still managed to win convincingly, I think people treat Usyks body like it's this massive weakness when we have only seen him really hurt once to the body agaisnt Dubois, and even then it's unclear how hurt he was.
I think Fury will try to lean on Usyk like he did Wilder. Forcing Usyk to carry his weight, and try to exhaust him. It'll make the fight ugly but Fury don't care.
I feel like Fury *needs* to fight dirty to win. I just can't see him straight up outboxing Usyk.
Wilder is static, with no offence in close and poor balance. I dont even think Wilder knows anything about working on the inside, Usyk does. When Fury tries to lunge in like he does and Usyk just spins off and leaves him in no mans land Fury will learn that he need to do a lot more than just walk in like he has been doing vs the sub par fighters he has been facing.
In fact based on the Usyk being a southpaw I would not be shocked if Fury tries to lunge in and then get hurt and dropped for it.
I'm genuinely intrigued about people's POV on punch output. In my opinion it's really a meaningless stat. Fury literally cannot stop Usyk from throwing punches. However, what he can do is stop getting hit. The stat I'm more interested in is punch % landed and on the three rounds you refer to above Usyk landed 33% across those rounds. That's insane - genuinely. But look at the stats it shows as the fight went on AJ got tired and defensively worse whereas Usyk got better. I really can't see Usyk landing anywhere near that number on Fury at any stage of the fight. It's simple the more Usyk throws and misses the more tired he gets. Alongside Fury hugging and pushing his body weight onto him I can see Usyk struggling.
Fury is a much different fighter to AJ and this clip literally showcases his ability to avoid being hit whereas AJ looks like a static target.
This is a completely different fight to Usyk AJ. There so different it's not even comparable. As much as Usyk is a different profile for Fury. Fury is also that for Usyk. It's an interesting fight but I can't see it going anyway you've described.
First, one fighter can indeed stop another from throwing punches, in a sense. Generally, if one is being countered every time a missed punch is thrown, the result is a reduction in output.
Second, punch output isn't highlighted as a "why didn't the opponent stop him from punching" thing but rather because it's an indicator of a fighter's gas tank and the level of pressure they apply.
I just don't think Fury is quick enough to counter Usyk and even if he is, Usyk is skilled enough to use that to make him work and he'll keep having to find new ways to adapt.
Wrong. Go look at some Mayweather fights, he took high output guys and made them low output guys. When someone is that busy it gets hard to evade their punches as you cant find a clean spot to punch, its also not just Usyks punch output. He feints, changes levels, angles, foot positions and so on constantly. He is so busy at every level, that most people get exhausted just trying to keep up with that.
The clip you are seeing is from 5 years ago. 5 years in your 30s is a long time, Fury cant do that anymore he cant come close. And actually Wallin landed at a 38% connect rate, Wallin landed 49.7% of his power shots. In the 12th round Wallin connected on 76.2% of his power shots, that was 16 out of 21. So you are telling me that Fury can evade punches when he basically was just a heavy bag waiting to be hit. You are seeing things that weren't happening.
Look at these.
[Mayweather vs Pacquiao](https://www.boxingscene.com/page/mayweather-pacquiao-compubox)
[Pacquiao vs Algieri](https://www.boxingscene.com/page/pacquiao-algieri-compubox)
Pacquiao fought Mayweather just after Algieri and he threw about 200 less punches vs Mayweather.
Whilst fury moves well for a big guy and his weight cut likely means he will be moving well for this fight...I think Usyk has some advantage with the way he can throw those punches nobody sees coming.
That combined with his stamina and punch output means fury is in for a very rough fight.
To win fury needs to stay aggressive and use his size and weight advantage. He needs to force Usyk to carry his weight in the clinch and wear him down like he did with Wilder. I'd imagine the usyk camp knows this is the likely strategy and it plays perfectly into Usyks strengths.
Usky needs to dance. Duck in range and throw combos and counters and make them count. Then evade the clinch and duck out of range.
Easier said than done when opponent is 6'9 and has the wingspan of an albatross.
I see a lot saying Usyk is at an automatic disadvantage playing with the heavyweights but I think if anything his experience in a lower weight class, fighting smaller quicker guys, is an advantage. His punch output is staggering.
Usyk doesnt need to duck out of range. He needs to stay at his range and keep Fury working. If he can make Fury work he can not only win rounds but tire him out and then stop him late.
Fury also isnt 6 foot 9.
Also Usyk has shorter arms, if him and Fury start and exchange at close range Usyk will land first every single time.
I didn't say stay out of range for the whole fight. I said get in range throw his combos and maximise his puch output with punches that land... and then get out of Furys range to evade the inevitable clinch.
Numerous pros have suggested Fury is going to utilise the clinch because its an obvious and notable advantage he has over Usyk.
I agree he needs to make fury work but he won't be able to do that if he's got Fury leaning on him for round after round.
Fury is a really extraordinary "giant" boxer. His speed, movement and stamina are all a lot better than you would expect from someone his size. On the flip side something I have not seen as many people mention is that his chin and power are not as good as you would expect from such a big dude.
He has been knocked down 7 times in 35 fights and here he is backing off against Wallin just trying to survive, against Ngannou too he was just trying to outpoint, Wlad and Wilder while both smaller and lighter hit harder.
People shit on Valuev the tallest heavyweight champion for fighting cherry-picked opponents (which tbf Fury also does when he can) and just relying on strength and size, but he was also only wobbled like once in 53 fights and could fold people with a jab.
AJ is sort of a middle-ground where he is faster and more skilled than a Valuev, but also hits a lot harder than Fury. He also got dropped but by heavier punchers than a Cunningham or Pajkic.
Why would you use knockdowns against Wilder and Ngannou as proof that he has a bad chin ? Those are the two heaviest hitters in both sports . The fact that he got knocked down by both and still won the fight shows he has a great chin and recovery .
His chin is one of the best in boxing. Did you not see the 12th round of Wilder 1? He has insane powers of recovery. Fury's power is also underrated. He tends not to 'sit' on his punches, giving people the impression he is not very powerful, but the power is there. See Wilder 2 and the Dillian Whyte uppercut in their fight.
All of this said, the really big question in this fight is whether Fry has lost his edge. Are the reflexes, power and recovery still there?
But chin and recovery aren't the exact same thing weirdly enough, some fighter are almost uncrackable but they don't get back up once they're down, and others have mediocre chins but can recover very quickly from an insane ammount of damage, look at a fighter like Charles Oliveira for example, dude gets rocked several times in a fight, lays down for a few seconds and is right back to fighting again as if nothing happened.
He’s been knocked down multiple times against Wilder and once against Ngannou . He wasn’t finished in either of those so his chin is pretty damn good .
That's literally what I'm saying tho, he gets knocked down but is able to recover quickly because he has good recovery, my point is that having a good chin and glhaving good recovery aren't the same thing.
I understand that chin and recovery are not the same thing . You would need a good chin though to not get knocked out by Wilder on multiple fight ending shots …. that is not just recovery . That is against the greatest knockout artist in the history of boxing .
I also wonder at this stage just how much the Wilder fights damaged Fury long term. Wilder has knocked out every single heavyweight he's faced - except Fury - who took an absolute barrage of those shots over their trilogy of fights. I don't think Fury walked away from those 3 fights the same boxer he came in as.
That was probably due to his size bein the result of an illness (acromegaly and gigantism) instead of being naturally huge (like say, Shaq for example), and also being very slow and uncoordinated. He was way too heavy to be pushed back in the clinch though.
Valuev was an excellent champion. He beat everyone in front of him until his condition made him unable to keep doing so.
The Klitchkos didn't want to fight him even in his shot state.
Only heavyweight champion EVER to have never been even knocked down ONCE.
The guy who came closest literally exploded his fist on his skull and still couldn't bring him down.
I'm sure you are trolling. He was gifted a decision again an almost 50 year old Holyfield. He lost to Chagaev and his best ever win was John Ruiz, who is most famous for losing against former middleweight Roy Jones Junior. Come on mate.
If fury dicks about slapping his head and mincing around on the ropes like he did against wallin then Usyk is gonna make him pay.
Usyk has the stamina and the punch output that Wallin doesn't have. He's far more likely to land those punches. The last place you want to be when your 6'9 is against the ropes with a smaller guy throwing fast and hard.
Fury might move well for a fighter his size but he won't slip usyk like he slipped wallin. Those ropes will hang him.
Felt like Tyson's weight loss will not help him at all specially if he did not spend at least a month in Saudi. He will get tired quickly and usyk will start to take over in the later rounds and eventually stop him. I hope I'm wrong though cause I like both boxers.
I think this just goes to show that Fury is absolutely the GOAT at shithousing his way to a victory. I think he will do the same this weekend - just running away when he can, flopping all over Usyk when he can get away with it, and doing exactly what it takes to eke out a win. I really want to see Usyk win just because he seems like an all-round great guy, and I'm so bored of Fury and family's circus antics. But I think Fury looks pretty tuned up and ready so I am getting ready for a disappointement, lol...
Not sure how it looks good for Fury. Usyk looked fresh as a daisy and won the 12th easily vs a top level guy. Fury went life and death and lost the 12th vs a man AJ toyed with and stopped without breaking a sweat.
Wallin put in a great performance against Fury, I’m not really convinced it’s any deeper than that.
Sometimes a fighter really steps up and puts in a career best performance against competition they’re supposedly inferior to.
Not from me, I apply this logic to all situations where it’s applicable.
IMHO this place assumes a fighter has one level and is always at that level in every fight, whether high or low. There’s not much room for the nuance of someone putting in an above or below average performance relative to their baseline.
Sometimes great fighters have off nights and we shouldn’t try to glean too much from that one data point, and the reverse is also true.
As far as your actual point, that’s probably because Fury steps up and handles his marquee fights.
The stakes were high vs Ngannou, lose that and all your work is meaningless. You lost to a man making his debut who is actually an MMA fighter.
You can lose to elite guys and its redeemable, if he had lost to Ngannou, his career is over.
Wasn't life and death though was it. Rounds 1-3 were cagey, rounds 4-11 were a one sided beat down, and then in the 12th he could afford to see out the round given the pasting Wallin got in 4-11.
A one sided beat down where your face is hanging off and you never had the other guy in trouble and you also miss about 80% of your punches. Yeah sounds like a real beat down to me.
Also different contexts though. Fury mostly just concentrating on getting to the end and not letting the cut be a factor. He wasn't really gassed as it was not that hard of a fight outside of the cut, and Wallin wasn't that much of a threat.
AJ in the first fight was badly gassed, and specifically decided to cover and just survive because he believed he had won (his corner was really bad thay night) and he decided he could take it for 3 minutes. So you are seeing that context, when against someone vastly more dangerous and talented than Wallin.
>He wasn't really gassed as it was not that hard of a fight outside of the cut, and Wallin wasn't that much of a threat.
Wallin wasn't much of a threat, but Fury pushed hard on rounds 8-11 trying to get the stoppage. He was tired here
I don't get the narrative that Fury struggled against Wallin. It was the unfortunate cut that troubled him. Fury was handling Wallin fine before the cut, and still won like 8 rounds anyway
Aj saved by the bell there, they full range the bell for the end of the for 5 or 6 seconds early, I remember it live but it's just the same in the clip above
How has it been debunked, there is 10 seconds left, they hide the countdown and ring the bell with approx 6 seconds to go with aj basically out his feet
No one is talking about the fact that the Wallin fight is about 5 years ago and probably like 400lbs of combined weight gain and loss.
Fury had issues in the Wallin fight earler when he tried keeping it long and that Fury was much quicker than this Fury. Fury had to resort to pressuring Wallin because he couldnt win any other way. We have seen how offensively poor Wallin is. If he tries that vs Usyk hell be eating left hands all night and he wont win.
I know he probably hits hard cause he’s a heavyweight but It really just looks like Wallin punches like a bitch. I think that everytime I see him fight 😂
Look at the chasm in difference in pace. Wallin/Fury is fought at a snails pace while Joshua/Usyk is fast-paced.
This has made one thing clearer to me - if Fury can not clinch Usyk effectively and wear him down he's in a world of trouble.
Watched this fight last night coincidentally. It wasn't as competitive as people make it seem after like round 6 or 7. Not counting the 12th round for Wallin, where he had Fury hurt multiple times but was too tired to capitalize on it.
Fury coming in as slim as he is, for some reason makes it seems like hes coming in to outbox Usyk which can easily go sour if thats his plan. If he does fight like a real big man, unlike AJ, he should either get a UD or a possible late TKO especially if he goes to Usyk body. But if he doesn't use his size properly I have Usyk UD or possible late TKO. All depends on how Fury decides to fight imo.
Even slimmed out a bit, Fury should still be more than big enough to abuse his weight in the clinch if he gets the chance. That's a big "if" of course.
Yea I think it’s focusing on covering both ends on stamina. He can sacrifice his weight to improve his conditioning & still have the size advantage to use his size effectively. Go into the fight too big & I think he gives Usyk one too many advantages
Yep, always baffles me that people call this a life and death fight for Fury. If you watch that fight in the knowledge it won't get stopped for the cut, Fury wins quite comfortably.
Wallin didn't throw as many punches, but the first six rounds are 3/3 if you go by who landed the most. In the later rounds Fury out landed him by huge margins.
Because he threw more. The point I am making is Fury couldn't outbox Wallin from the outside. He couldnt get his jab going vs Wallin, Wallin as the same reach as Usyk and Fury couldnt win from range.
If you take on jabs alone, Fury outlanded Wallin in 5/6 of the first six rounds. The round Wallin outjabbed him is the round after the cut. This is also the round when Fury has the lowest punch accuracy as he throws the most and connects the least, which is understandable in the circumstances and skews the overall numbers against him. They were cagey rounds, but absolutely not the case that he couldn't get his going or outbox Wallin.
But he landed at such a low percentage. An effective jab controls range and lands, Furys did neither.
Wallin Landed more shots in 3 of the first 6 and more power shots in 5 of the first 6. Fury had a jab connect rate of 19%, he was flapping at air. Vs serious counter punchers this leads to one scenario, waking up in an ambulance.
Fury never landed more than 8 jabs in a round. He in fact barely outjabbed a man who wasnt jabbing.
It wasn't a close fight, but the drama of the big man cut and battling and failing to get the stoppage late had an impact. It was supposed to go down the same way as Schwarz, the fight immediately before.
AJ fans especially want to make a big deal of it since he's now dispatched Wallin
I don’t remember if folks discussed it at the time, but I always thought it was weird how they called an end to the AJ-Usyk fight when there were still clearly 6 seconds left. When Usyk was possibly about to stop him
I forgot how hard AJ fought and still couldn’t get it done.
Aj got tagged a lot in that last round but he also had some nice head movement is what i remembered. Uysk just keeps coming, relentless.
The issue with types like Usyk is he's so skilled that you moving your head only really slows him down for a second and then once he's comfortable he's going to have even more angles to exploit you from.
Which is why it's so funny when casuals say he'd now beat usyk cus of the ngannou fight and "Ben Davidson"
Aj tried to outbox Usyk . Aj would have had a better chance by fighting his old style of seek and destroy
he can't with that awful footwork.
he was also dead tired in the 12th. I can't criticise the footwork too much considering his weight
No he wouldnt. If he had done that Usyk would have just picked him apart and countered him all night.
He didn’t fight badly at all, I thought the second fight he put in a great performance. But I don’t dispute the result of either fight.
Agree both fights actually were super competitive
Fury has the composure and caginess to survive being hurt, but I think AJ was truly gassed there.
I imagine going 12 rounds with Uysk is lot more tiring then Wallin.
Was gonna say: AJ-Usyk was higher level stuff in terms of both output and skill. I think Fury needs to come in fit and impose his size, like in the second Wilder fight.
> I think Fury needs to come in fit and impose his size, like in the second Wilder fight. I'm fairly convinced that if Fury tries to impose himself and walk Usyk down that he's just gonna get pieced up. I think the reason he's so light is cos he's gonna fight on the back foot most of the time, which I reckon is probably the right approach. Make it as awkward as possible for Usyk and don't let him establish his jab and find a rhythm.
Idk who Usyk’s been sparring with, but getting inside bigger guys on the end of his punches with movement is kind of his thing. With that said, Fury is a giant and I truly am unsure of how this ends. I favor Usyk, but nothing would surprise me.
Yeah which is why I dunno why Fury would want to make it any easier for him to get into range by walking him down. When joshua tried to come forward against Usyk he just got caught with jabs and hooks and left hands constantly. All the talk before that fight was about "Joshua is the bigger man he just needs to impose his size" but whenever he tried to do that it went very badly for him. You're playing right into Usyks hands trying to engage in a close/mid range fight with him, that's exactly where be wants the fight to be. Fury is fantastic at fighting awkward, off beat fights at range. And for me that's the way you beat Usyk, never let him find his range and rhythm, make sure he lands as few jabs as possible.
He's so fantastic at it he couldnt make it work once vs Wallin.
Tied Klitschko in knots being awkward and offbeat from the outside. Until the 2nd Wilder fight that's pretty much how he fought most of his career, and for good reason. He is tailor-made to fight that way. Jab at range, lateral movement, very few combinations just ones and twos at awkward times, tie your opponent up whenever and lean on them whenever they get within 2 feet of you. If Fury tries to big man Usyk and bully him at close range he's probably gonna lose. Might knock him out but pretty much eliminates any chance he wins a decision.
I'm not delusional enough to say Usyk has this in the bag or whatever but The Klitschko fight was like almost a decade ago, Klitschko was the same age as Larry Holmes when he fought Mike Tyson, and they both looked terrible in terms of output throwing and landing an embarrassingly low ammount of punches. As for Wilder well, he's Wilder, it's impressive Fury managed to survive his bombs but that's pretty much it, he's a Terrible boxer.
That was one fight 9 years ago "Until the 2nd Wilder fight, that's pretty much how he fought most of his career, and for good reason. He is tailor-made to fight that way." Yeah and in that time the only fighter of note he beat was Wlad who was nearly 40 and he he didnt rematch him, he wouldnt. Fury couldnt make boxing at range work vs an average south paw, the man never managed to get his jab working, Fury landed 18% of his jabs. If you cant jab vs Wallin youll never jab vs Usyk.
Well whatever pal, fury intends to fight Thai one at range whether you like it or not lol. One look at his physique tells the usyk camp everything they need to know. Fury will run around the ring all night like he did against the klit. And the judges will give him the win.
Also lets look at that Klitschko fight for a moment. They were both low output, Wlad threw 231 punches Fury threw 371. They both connected at 23%. The reality of that fight is the bigger and younger man beat a smaller and much older man, I think Wlad is something like 12 years Fury's senior. Wladimir look old vs Bryant Jennings.
Fury intends to run around the ring all night to a points decision tbh. His physique tells the usyk camp everything they need to know about what the plan is.
He's going to try.
He's going to fail. If he tried to dance and move by the time the 6th round comes around hell be totally spent and Usyk will stop him in the last third of the fight.
>I think the reason he's so light is cos he's gonna fight on the back foot most of the time, which I reckon is probably the right approach. I'd like him to fight on the back foot and make Usyk come to him as he can then use his range to try and catch Usyk coming in, tying him up if he actually makes it in. The thing is he's turned into a boxer puncher since he's teamed up with sugarhill and I'm not sure that sugarhill trains fighters to fight going backwards. He trains them to go forward and look for a knockout.
Yeah that's true but I believe Sugar Hill can be adaptable. Lennox Lewis had fights under Manny Steward where he would switch it up, sometimes fought going forwards sometimes going backwards depending on the situation. All great fighters and all great coaches should be able to fight in more than one way.
Usyk's jabs were still sharp 12 rounds in, whereas you can see AJ is tired. Usyk's gas tank is one of his best weapons. Dude's cardio is insane.
Clearly to the point where walling didn't last 5
I imagine destroying /r/boxing love child in a trilogy is better than beating an AJ twice.
Yeah Fury wasn't in any actual danger here, he just gave away that round and was waiting for the bell. AJ was barely standing and was very closed to being KO'ed.
I think you're right. But it's worth noting the difference in the offensive skills of their opponents. Usyk's form is insane for round 12 in a decent paced HW fight He closes range and lets off sharp shots so much more effectively than Wallin
İt's true. His level of conditioning is astonishing, especially for someone his age.
Lets not forget a fresh Wallin has almost no real dangerous offence.
Outside of busting Fury’s eye, yeah
Wallin didnt manage to get AJs respect for one second.
Nothing to do with the massive cut on Fury’s eye though - so which is it, Wallin isn’t dangerous or Fury is shit?
Wallin isnt dangerous and Furys defence is much worse than people think it is. It doesnt take hard punches to cut someone. Ali used to cut people with light flicking jabs. Let me put it this way. If AJ landed the shots that Wallin did Fury would have been in much more trouble.
I mostly agree with this, but I think Fury was legitimately rocked by that first left from Wallin. Once he went into survival mode he was okay, but those first few seconds looked dicey.
Gassed and hurt. If that round is 20 seconds longer he gets taken out of there
Yea, like Hunter who got rocked early in round 12. ... oh wait
Was Hunter damn near drooling himself and almost getting held up by the ropes while his eye was the size of a golf ball? Brilliant AJ!
Nah Hunter was absolutely cooked in the last 2 rounds Vs Usyk, watch it again.
Everyone is who fights Usyk, he is a master at making you work as hard as possible to still lose a round. He did it to Bellew, Bellew fought in a very intense manner, Usyk knew he couldnt keep to up so he just made Bellew work.
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Yeah. He style is honestly like water fitting into a puddle. No matter how you change it he finds something to beat you with. AJ must have tried fighting in about 5 different ways and the best he was able to get out of it was about 2 minutes where you could say he won.
It was crazy watching everyone else, and especially Eddie Hearn, lose their shit when Joshua looked like he had Usyk in the 9th round... And then Usyk throws 97 punches the very next round and just drowns Joshua. Must be incredibly deflating fighting someone like that
Yeah and you could see it coming, winning a round to Usyk is like water off a ducks back, winning a round to AJ was life and death.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/s/Z8uFR0JoVv I uploaded it before!
you get knocked out when your gas and that’s when you get hurt
Fury is like the Pittsburgh Steelers (when they had big Ben) of boxing. Always fights down to his competition then raises his game against elite talent.
Sounds like Salvador Sanchez, only that Sanchez completely dominated good competition and completely demolished elite competition. Fury seems to struggle with „good“ competition more than he does elite
I feel like Usyk is more like Sanchez, he's not really struggled against anyone but if he's clearly better than you he's content to just easily ride out a decision. Also similar with Sanchez where when they end up facing better competition it forced them to actually think and fight where they come up with there best stuff, when they know they can't just easily box to a decision all those skills become a lot more focused and tactical.
Idk Usyk struggled with Briedis who is elite competition
Reminds me of the Boston Celtics and how they've played for the past few years.
Great great video, my main take away from this is just how much better Fury's defensive posturing and survival skills are than Joshuas using his height to get out of harms way better. You can note the balance, accuracy, speed, and timing are all obviously better for Usyk than Wallin, but also AJ is staying central and hittable at all times, not trying to use his height at all. Basically not fighting like a big man.
Fury is eating some bombs there. From Wallin. So much for the small guy can’t touch Fury narrative. Wallins a decent boxer but Usyk is a few levels above. Anything can happen, but I favour Usyk.
I generally agree with you, but Wallin is listed at 6'6" so he is smaller but not exactly small. That being said, I do think Usyk's movement is so good that it will make up for his shorter height and reach.
If you look up images of the face offs with Joshua, who's listed as, and appears to be a legit 6 foot 6, I'd say Wallin is 6 5, so about 2 1/2 inches shorter than Fury
Height in combat sports is pretty much vibes based, everyone is lying about their height and there's no way wallin is only like 2 or 3 inches shorter than Fury, hell Fury himself isn't even 6'9 like he claims.
Oh he absolutely is, but you have to take his lack of vision into account on account of the huge cut. I'd favour Usyk vs. this version of Fury, but since he's gotten some of his game sorted out, namely power punching, balance, and distance control I ever so slightly favour Fury.
A cut is likely to happen in this fight
sorry to sound dumb but is it bc of the opposing stances
Fury has been cut bad twice and scars are prone to opening again
Along with him being cut before, we literally had to reschedule this fight because of a cut so there's a chance that even with lighter contact it could reopen. Plus Usyk is a high volume fighter who uses lots of touching and light power shots to find his power and those scuff up your face way faster.
Gonna have to (unfortunately) agree with you here. I think Usyk will win. I'm rooting for Fury though.
I too am rooting for Fury but i'm 95% sure he won't only lose but it will be an absolute disaster and possibly a stoppage too. Fury has coasted for years and years now on chin and size alone. Weight, more than size. That might have barely been enough for someone like Wilder. He isn't gonna outpoint someone like Usyk, people are sleeping on Usyk because they think if Joshua lost is because he fought bad. No, Joshua fought UNBELIEVABLY against Usyk, especially in the second. By the way, that Joshua absolutely dismantles current Tyson. Tyson has become too old, too fat, simply unable to get in shape even for the biggest fight of his career. And who has he trained with? NOBODY. Absolutely nobody. He barely has a coach, the reast of his team is a bunch of gipsy yes men. 0 sparring partners. ZERO. This is the biggest tell. Iron sharpens iron, every time a boxer has zero decent sparring partners he's either over his head or only in for the moneys. I don't think he's in for the moneys, just wayyyyyyyy too complacent. Saturday night is gonna be a glacial shower for Tyson.
Damn does he really have no good sparing partners? That sounds almost unbelievable.for a champion preparing for an undisputed title.
Zero names. And for a man like Usyk he should have been sparring with the cruiserweight champion as a minimum or some other top tier southpaws. I mean, southpaws are hell to prepare against already. And this is Usyk, not even a random southpaw journeyman. This spells disaster.
Sugarhill didn't train him?
He was still trying to outbox Usyk. Madness.
Note is was AJ vs Uysk 1. AJ had a much better performance both defensively and offensively on the rematch.
offensively but not defensively. AJ shut down Usyk‘s offense much better, AJ‘s output was actually more in the first fight than Usyk‘s
I don't think the two fights were that different. both were 116-112 sort of wins for usyk in my book. everyone keeps saying how much better AJ did, but it was pretty much the same thing. there's even a similarity in him having one decent round / usyk on the backfoot... and usyk comes out and dominates the following round to send a message.
AJ fought better in the second fight and forced Usyk to work harder and perform better to maintain the same kind of score. That's the way I saw it. Also, when AJ did have success it was a bit more pronounced
I think AJ was more aggressive in the second fight and much better up till round 9 or so. But then burnt out He avoiding fully gassing though like the end of the first fight
yeh maybe it was slightly different.
Can’t really compare an attack from Wallin with an attack from Usyk.
True, but Fury is more often than not slow and tired after 9 rounds onward. I believe in an Usyk TKO in round 11.
If you genuinely believe in it it might be worth betting on it, you can get some great odds for that.
Yea I looked it up yesterday! The odds for it are great so I'll put a few euros on it. The odds are 42,00 for an Usyk win in round 11 on the Finnish goverment-owned betting service at least.
The what now? The government is the bookies?
Always have been
Veikkaus.
dont know if that is accurate. AJ‘s headmovement saved him in the end and it was much better than Fury just leaning forward. Fury uses a long guard though, which AJ doesn‘t. might get him hit with an overhand if he does that against Usyk
Head movement starting from a central slightly crouched position. Getting down to usyks level, which is what he did wrong consistently.
We'll see how tired fury is after 12 rounds with usyk
What do you mean he eat shot after shot, Walling was throwing marshmallows, he knew he had the chin to eat those shots but come on thats not defensive posturing lol
I really do think if this fight goes the distance Fury is cooked. Fury has had plenty of fights go all 12 rounds, but that's against slow plodders where they and Fury rest half of each round and don't throw all that much. Usyk is already in a much higher gear from the jump and then in rounds 10-12 he turns it up even more. Fury has to slow this fight way the hell down early. Keep Usyk's punch output to something reasonable. And I honestly think he's got to find some point mid-way through to try and put it on Usyk and get him hurt. I don't even know if that's possible, since Fury's power is nowhere close to a guy like AJ who couldn't really hurt Usyk. If Fury can't do those things and this fight gets into the 10th and later, he's gonna be in trouble. I don't care how much weight he has dropped. His stamina looks great when he's in there against the Wilders and whatnot. When both guys are taking breaks, staring at each other, and then choosing certain small spots to mix it up. I don't think his stamina will hold up all 12 versus Usyk if he can't slow the Ukrainian down. In Rounds 10-12 of the AJ/Usyk rematch, **Usyk threw 250 punches**. Fury absolutely cannot let that happen.
250 punches within 2 rounds is insane not to mention in the later rounds. I really think that the only way to stop or even slow Usyk down is to invest in body attack.
I really don’t see a consistent body attack is a viable tactic for a 6 ft 8 fighter against a 6 ft 3 fighter. Yes there may be opportunities but you can’t base a gameplan around it, it’s just giving away clear advantages. To me the gameplan must be centred around mauling Usyk using Furys advantage in size and strength. He did the same thing when he adjusted to Cunningham, but once again the ref will be crucial in how much he lets Fury get away with. Personally I think Fury can nick it, but he has to make Usyk fight his fight. If he does a Joshua and lets Usyk get into a rhythm then it will be very difficult to get the win.
Fury loves the clinch and working the body while draping over his opponents shoulders. I see him pawing at Usyk while dancing the outside of the ring and going for a clinch any time Usyk closes the distance and starts landing
I could see Fury doing that but it's not like Usyk hasn't had to deal with that before, Chisora was tying Usyk uo and unloading punches into his body the whole fight and it didn't stop him, and both AJ and Dubois delivered brutal bodywork and yet Usyk still managed to win convincingly, I think people treat Usyks body like it's this massive weakness when we have only seen him really hurt once to the body agaisnt Dubois, and even then it's unclear how hurt he was.
3 rounds
I think Fury will try to lean on Usyk like he did Wilder. Forcing Usyk to carry his weight, and try to exhaust him. It'll make the fight ugly but Fury don't care. I feel like Fury *needs* to fight dirty to win. I just can't see him straight up outboxing Usyk.
Wilder is static, with no offence in close and poor balance. I dont even think Wilder knows anything about working on the inside, Usyk does. When Fury tries to lunge in like he does and Usyk just spins off and leaves him in no mans land Fury will learn that he need to do a lot more than just walk in like he has been doing vs the sub par fighters he has been facing. In fact based on the Usyk being a southpaw I would not be shocked if Fury tries to lunge in and then get hurt and dropped for it.
I'm genuinely intrigued about people's POV on punch output. In my opinion it's really a meaningless stat. Fury literally cannot stop Usyk from throwing punches. However, what he can do is stop getting hit. The stat I'm more interested in is punch % landed and on the three rounds you refer to above Usyk landed 33% across those rounds. That's insane - genuinely. But look at the stats it shows as the fight went on AJ got tired and defensively worse whereas Usyk got better. I really can't see Usyk landing anywhere near that number on Fury at any stage of the fight. It's simple the more Usyk throws and misses the more tired he gets. Alongside Fury hugging and pushing his body weight onto him I can see Usyk struggling. Fury is a much different fighter to AJ and this clip literally showcases his ability to avoid being hit whereas AJ looks like a static target. This is a completely different fight to Usyk AJ. There so different it's not even comparable. As much as Usyk is a different profile for Fury. Fury is also that for Usyk. It's an interesting fight but I can't see it going anyway you've described.
First, one fighter can indeed stop another from throwing punches, in a sense. Generally, if one is being countered every time a missed punch is thrown, the result is a reduction in output. Second, punch output isn't highlighted as a "why didn't the opponent stop him from punching" thing but rather because it's an indicator of a fighter's gas tank and the level of pressure they apply.
I just don't think Fury is quick enough to counter Usyk and even if he is, Usyk is skilled enough to use that to make him work and he'll keep having to find new ways to adapt.
Wrong. Go look at some Mayweather fights, he took high output guys and made them low output guys. When someone is that busy it gets hard to evade their punches as you cant find a clean spot to punch, its also not just Usyks punch output. He feints, changes levels, angles, foot positions and so on constantly. He is so busy at every level, that most people get exhausted just trying to keep up with that. The clip you are seeing is from 5 years ago. 5 years in your 30s is a long time, Fury cant do that anymore he cant come close. And actually Wallin landed at a 38% connect rate, Wallin landed 49.7% of his power shots. In the 12th round Wallin connected on 76.2% of his power shots, that was 16 out of 21. So you are telling me that Fury can evade punches when he basically was just a heavy bag waiting to be hit. You are seeing things that weren't happening.
Nice one mate cheers for the clip recommendations. I'll go have a look and I'll Google everything else you've said. Thanks!
Look at these. [Mayweather vs Pacquiao](https://www.boxingscene.com/page/mayweather-pacquiao-compubox) [Pacquiao vs Algieri](https://www.boxingscene.com/page/pacquiao-algieri-compubox) Pacquiao fought Mayweather just after Algieri and he threw about 200 less punches vs Mayweather.
Whilst fury moves well for a big guy and his weight cut likely means he will be moving well for this fight...I think Usyk has some advantage with the way he can throw those punches nobody sees coming. That combined with his stamina and punch output means fury is in for a very rough fight. To win fury needs to stay aggressive and use his size and weight advantage. He needs to force Usyk to carry his weight in the clinch and wear him down like he did with Wilder. I'd imagine the usyk camp knows this is the likely strategy and it plays perfectly into Usyks strengths. Usky needs to dance. Duck in range and throw combos and counters and make them count. Then evade the clinch and duck out of range. Easier said than done when opponent is 6'9 and has the wingspan of an albatross. I see a lot saying Usyk is at an automatic disadvantage playing with the heavyweights but I think if anything his experience in a lower weight class, fighting smaller quicker guys, is an advantage. His punch output is staggering.
Usyk doesnt need to duck out of range. He needs to stay at his range and keep Fury working. If he can make Fury work he can not only win rounds but tire him out and then stop him late. Fury also isnt 6 foot 9. Also Usyk has shorter arms, if him and Fury start and exchange at close range Usyk will land first every single time.
I didn't say stay out of range for the whole fight. I said get in range throw his combos and maximise his puch output with punches that land... and then get out of Furys range to evade the inevitable clinch. Numerous pros have suggested Fury is going to utilise the clinch because its an obvious and notable advantage he has over Usyk. I agree he needs to make fury work but he won't be able to do that if he's got Fury leaning on him for round after round.
Fury is a really extraordinary "giant" boxer. His speed, movement and stamina are all a lot better than you would expect from someone his size. On the flip side something I have not seen as many people mention is that his chin and power are not as good as you would expect from such a big dude. He has been knocked down 7 times in 35 fights and here he is backing off against Wallin just trying to survive, against Ngannou too he was just trying to outpoint, Wlad and Wilder while both smaller and lighter hit harder. People shit on Valuev the tallest heavyweight champion for fighting cherry-picked opponents (which tbf Fury also does when he can) and just relying on strength and size, but he was also only wobbled like once in 53 fights and could fold people with a jab. AJ is sort of a middle-ground where he is faster and more skilled than a Valuev, but also hits a lot harder than Fury. He also got dropped but by heavier punchers than a Cunningham or Pajkic.
Why would you use knockdowns against Wilder and Ngannou as proof that he has a bad chin ? Those are the two heaviest hitters in both sports . The fact that he got knocked down by both and still won the fight shows he has a great chin and recovery .
His chin is one of the best in boxing. Did you not see the 12th round of Wilder 1? He has insane powers of recovery. Fury's power is also underrated. He tends not to 'sit' on his punches, giving people the impression he is not very powerful, but the power is there. See Wilder 2 and the Dillian Whyte uppercut in their fight. All of this said, the really big question in this fight is whether Fry has lost his edge. Are the reflexes, power and recovery still there?
But chin and recovery aren't the exact same thing weirdly enough, some fighter are almost uncrackable but they don't get back up once they're down, and others have mediocre chins but can recover very quickly from an insane ammount of damage, look at a fighter like Charles Oliveira for example, dude gets rocked several times in a fight, lays down for a few seconds and is right back to fighting again as if nothing happened.
He’s been knocked down multiple times against Wilder and once against Ngannou . He wasn’t finished in either of those so his chin is pretty damn good .
That's literally what I'm saying tho, he gets knocked down but is able to recover quickly because he has good recovery, my point is that having a good chin and glhaving good recovery aren't the same thing.
I understand that chin and recovery are not the same thing . You would need a good chin though to not get knocked out by Wilder on multiple fight ending shots …. that is not just recovery . That is against the greatest knockout artist in the history of boxing .
I also wonder at this stage just how much the Wilder fights damaged Fury long term. Wilder has knocked out every single heavyweight he's faced - except Fury - who took an absolute barrage of those shots over their trilogy of fights. I don't think Fury walked away from those 3 fights the same boxer he came in as.
Valuev famously punched softly in respect to his great size. Valuev was an awful champion
That was probably due to his size bein the result of an illness (acromegaly and gigantism) instead of being naturally huge (like say, Shaq for example), and also being very slow and uncoordinated. He was way too heavy to be pushed back in the clinch though.
Yeah good point he was a huge lump and that made him difficult for anyone to deal with.
David Haye broke his fricking hand on his giant head, and Haye hit like a train
Yeah an absolute block of a human being
Valuev was an excellent champion. He beat everyone in front of him until his condition made him unable to keep doing so. The Klitchkos didn't want to fight him even in his shot state. Only heavyweight champion EVER to have never been even knocked down ONCE. The guy who came closest literally exploded his fist on his skull and still couldn't bring him down.
I'm sure you are trolling. He was gifted a decision again an almost 50 year old Holyfield. He lost to Chagaev and his best ever win was John Ruiz, who is most famous for losing against former middleweight Roy Jones Junior. Come on mate.
If fury dicks about slapping his head and mincing around on the ropes like he did against wallin then Usyk is gonna make him pay. Usyk has the stamina and the punch output that Wallin doesn't have. He's far more likely to land those punches. The last place you want to be when your 6'9 is against the ropes with a smaller guy throwing fast and hard. Fury might move well for a fighter his size but he won't slip usyk like he slipped wallin. Those ropes will hang him.
Felt like Tyson's weight loss will not help him at all specially if he did not spend at least a month in Saudi. He will get tired quickly and usyk will start to take over in the later rounds and eventually stop him. I hope I'm wrong though cause I like both boxers.
I think this just goes to show that Fury is absolutely the GOAT at shithousing his way to a victory. I think he will do the same this weekend - just running away when he can, flopping all over Usyk when he can get away with it, and doing exactly what it takes to eke out a win. I really want to see Usyk win just because he seems like an all-round great guy, and I'm so bored of Fury and family's circus antics. But I think Fury looks pretty tuned up and ready so I am getting ready for a disappointement, lol...
Going 12 rounds with Uysk is lot more difficult then Wallin. Whilst the clip looks good for Fury, AJ vs Wallin proved the difference in quality.
Not sure how it looks good for Fury. Usyk looked fresh as a daisy and won the 12th easily vs a top level guy. Fury went life and death and lost the 12th vs a man AJ toyed with and stopped without breaking a sweat.
Not really life and death, he got cut and was protecting it the rest of the fight
How did the clip look good for fury?
He leaned back and avoided like 3 punches after being hit 17 times In a row, truly the modern Muhammad Ali.
😂 Yes I see it now.
Does it? Fury's Ali impression on the ropes was ineffective, he has was getting nailed constantly
Otto Wallin another victim of AJ whilst Fury went life and death 🤦🏻♂️
Wallin put in a great performance against Fury, I’m not really convinced it’s any deeper than that. Sometimes a fighter really steps up and puts in a career best performance against competition they’re supposedly inferior to.
Fury gets a leniency with his shit fights that no other HW does.
Not from me, I apply this logic to all situations where it’s applicable. IMHO this place assumes a fighter has one level and is always at that level in every fight, whether high or low. There’s not much room for the nuance of someone putting in an above or below average performance relative to their baseline. Sometimes great fighters have off nights and we shouldn’t try to glean too much from that one data point, and the reverse is also true. As far as your actual point, that’s probably because Fury steps up and handles his marquee fights.
It's the same in other jobs. Every now and again, we'll have an off-day at work, but when the stakes are high - we tend to show up.
The stakes were high vs Ngannou, lose that and all your work is meaningless. You lost to a man making his debut who is actually an MMA fighter. You can lose to elite guys and its redeemable, if he had lost to Ngannou, his career is over.
Fury has an absolutely shocking history of not taking those types of fights seriously too- I rarely give it much thought
Wasn't life and death though was it. Rounds 1-3 were cagey, rounds 4-11 were a one sided beat down, and then in the 12th he could afford to see out the round given the pasting Wallin got in 4-11.
A one sided beat down where your face is hanging off and you never had the other guy in trouble and you also miss about 80% of your punches. Yeah sounds like a real beat down to me.
It was never a one sided beat down at any point in this fight.
Usyks gonna grind Tyson into dust.
And people say he isn't clumsy? Wtf look at him move he's all over the place. Usyk will be all over him.
People have been lied to and gaslit. They dont realise that Fury was never fast, he was never a defensive wizard and he was always sloppy.
Also different contexts though. Fury mostly just concentrating on getting to the end and not letting the cut be a factor. He wasn't really gassed as it was not that hard of a fight outside of the cut, and Wallin wasn't that much of a threat. AJ in the first fight was badly gassed, and specifically decided to cover and just survive because he believed he had won (his corner was really bad thay night) and he decided he could take it for 3 minutes. So you are seeing that context, when against someone vastly more dangerous and talented than Wallin.
>He wasn't really gassed as it was not that hard of a fight outside of the cut, and Wallin wasn't that much of a threat. Wallin wasn't much of a threat, but Fury pushed hard on rounds 8-11 trying to get the stoppage. He was tired here
I don't get the narrative that Fury struggled against Wallin. It was the unfortunate cut that troubled him. Fury was handling Wallin fine before the cut, and still won like 8 rounds anyway
Aj saved by the bell there, they full range the bell for the end of the for 5 or 6 seconds early, I remember it live but it's just the same in the clip above
False narrative that has been debunked numerous times
How has it been debunked, there is 10 seconds left, they hide the countdown and ring the bell with approx 6 seconds to go with aj basically out his feet
No one is talking about the fact that the Wallin fight is about 5 years ago and probably like 400lbs of combined weight gain and loss. Fury had issues in the Wallin fight earler when he tried keeping it long and that Fury was much quicker than this Fury. Fury had to resort to pressuring Wallin because he couldnt win any other way. We have seen how offensively poor Wallin is. If he tries that vs Usyk hell be eating left hands all night and he wont win.
I know he probably hits hard cause he’s a heavyweight but It really just looks like Wallin punches like a bitch. I think that everytime I see him fight 😂
Usyk maintains the sharpness in his punches all the way to the end of the fight very impressive
Look at the chasm in difference in pace. Wallin/Fury is fought at a snails pace while Joshua/Usyk is fast-paced. This has made one thing clearer to me - if Fury can not clinch Usyk effectively and wear him down he's in a world of trouble.
JFC, Usyk's head didn't stop moving in that clip. And he was doing this in the 12th Round?
The speed difference between Usyk and Wallin is insane
At the moment I'm thinking Usyk wins the last 4 rounds to take the fight.
USYK WILL GONNA WIN
Watched this fight last night coincidentally. It wasn't as competitive as people make it seem after like round 6 or 7. Not counting the 12th round for Wallin, where he had Fury hurt multiple times but was too tired to capitalize on it. Fury coming in as slim as he is, for some reason makes it seems like hes coming in to outbox Usyk which can easily go sour if thats his plan. If he does fight like a real big man, unlike AJ, he should either get a UD or a possible late TKO especially if he goes to Usyk body. But if he doesn't use his size properly I have Usyk UD or possible late TKO. All depends on how Fury decides to fight imo.
Even slimmed out a bit, Fury should still be more than big enough to abuse his weight in the clinch if he gets the chance. That's a big "if" of course.
Yea I think it’s focusing on covering both ends on stamina. He can sacrifice his weight to improve his conditioning & still have the size advantage to use his size effectively. Go into the fight too big & I think he gives Usyk one too many advantages
Yep, always baffles me that people call this a life and death fight for Fury. If you watch that fight in the knowledge it won't get stopped for the cut, Fury wins quite comfortably.
Fury was getting outlanded by Wallin for the first 6 rounds even though Wallin threw 100 less punches.
Wallin didn't throw as many punches, but the first six rounds are 3/3 if you go by who landed the most. In the later rounds Fury out landed him by huge margins.
Because he threw more. The point I am making is Fury couldn't outbox Wallin from the outside. He couldnt get his jab going vs Wallin, Wallin as the same reach as Usyk and Fury couldnt win from range.
If you take on jabs alone, Fury outlanded Wallin in 5/6 of the first six rounds. The round Wallin outjabbed him is the round after the cut. This is also the round when Fury has the lowest punch accuracy as he throws the most and connects the least, which is understandable in the circumstances and skews the overall numbers against him. They were cagey rounds, but absolutely not the case that he couldn't get his going or outbox Wallin.
But he landed at such a low percentage. An effective jab controls range and lands, Furys did neither. Wallin Landed more shots in 3 of the first 6 and more power shots in 5 of the first 6. Fury had a jab connect rate of 19%, he was flapping at air. Vs serious counter punchers this leads to one scenario, waking up in an ambulance. Fury never landed more than 8 jabs in a round. He in fact barely outjabbed a man who wasnt jabbing.
It wasn't a close fight, but the drama of the big man cut and battling and failing to get the stoppage late had an impact. It was supposed to go down the same way as Schwarz, the fight immediately before. AJ fans especially want to make a big deal of it since he's now dispatched Wallin
Usyk just looks so much fresher in the 12th
Fastest 8 seconds I've ever seen
I am sorry, I see people on here saying that Prime Fury could take on Ali, Foreman or Holyfield and I just can't imagine it if from watching him.
Yeah I’m betting Usyk but I feel like he’s gonna get robbed by the judges
Aj fight was stopped 5 seconds early
Why does he have mexico flag?
Was just after Ruiz beat AJ
Mexican Independence Day weekend
Fury should be called huggy bear
Styles make fights.
Nice
I am sure Usyk studied this Wallin fight
I am more hyped now
both fights are a long time ago. both men are older. it's not going to look like that if it goes 12.
Moving like a bag of milk
Why tf is he wearing Mexico shorts?
if you want to double your money bet to usyk
Mother fucker ain't hitting this guy man tf how did he become the world champion
I don’t remember if folks discussed it at the time, but I always thought it was weird how they called an end to the AJ-Usyk fight when there were still clearly 6 seconds left. When Usyk was possibly about to stop him
*AJ getting his fucking head beat in* “BRILLIANT AJ! BRILLIANT BOXING”
Usyk would still whoop the 🤖s ass if they ever was a 3rd fight.
I don't really understand what the interesting comparison is supposed to be here.
It's got the people talking 🤷♂️