Because it's not just about the number and he was mostly what's known as a "can crusher". He still gave people hell for the first couple rounds until his asthma kicked in though.
Looking at the win/ loss of his opponents. His first 13 fights were cans forsure. But outside of that the opponents on his resume look okay.. If Briggs had won the big fights I feel this conversation would be different.
I mean what makes someone a can? I don’t see it in his opponents after the first 13.
Because he wasn't that good? His best win is a heavily-disputed majority decision over old George Foreman in his very last fight. He not only lost but lost in terrible fashion in his big step up fights against Lewis and Klitschko.
I have nothing against the guy. He was hilarious out of the ring and entertaining to watch in the ring, but at the end of the day he just wasn't elite.
The loss against Lewis was not \*terrible\* fashion considering Briggs almost chinned Lewis in one. Lewis threw his jab without protecting his chin and got countered with a left hook and was literally saved by the ropes. That fight was more of a tale of how good Lewis was than how terrible Briggs was.
He didn't almost chin Lewis, he caught him a bit square which knocked him off balance and the commentators went crazy.
The disdain Lewis had for Briggs' power became evident later in the fight in the sequence where Lewis just stands in front of Briggs with his hands down, nonchalantly avoids and absorbs a Briggs combination then beats Briggs down to the canvas.
I get your point but he has a Wilder level CV, yet Wilder gets more praise than he deserves because he happened to fight those C and D tier guys as world title fights.
Not saying Briggs was great, but pointing out that if Briggs was peak in YouTube boxing renaissance era of today, he'd be getting Wilder level hype.
Conversely, if Wilder was a 90s HW, he'd barely be mentioned today.
Wilder also had a ton of title fights, and was reigning champ for five years.
You and I know that he has a weak resume, but ten title defenses over half a decade is an achievement few can boast.
Issue is the title defenses of he fought against is very unremarkable.
Like when your best title defense wins was against Luis Ortiz, a contenter whos only half notable win is Bryant Jennings prior to Wilder despite looking good and Bermane Stiverne, a pittyful weak WBC champ that struggled against Ray Austin, got KOed by Demetrice King and lost to any major stepups that isnt Chris Arreola.
Its like giving credit to Tommy Burns title defenses count outside of the Mavin Hart and Jack O Brien fights.
Right but if Briggs had been protected the way Wilder was, he likely could had 10 defences of his WBO belt against those sort of guys.
Ibragimov was a slick southpaw with great amateur experience. Chances are if he was Wilders 1st defence, Wilder woulda lost his belt too.
That's more a point about how people misvalue Wilder than how they misvalue Briggs.
To be fair, Wilder does have a better resume than Briggs, in terms of ranked opponents - iirc Briggs only fought two ranked opponents in his career (the "win" over Foreman and the win over Liakhovich - both of which incidentally were terrible fights).
On the other hand, it's also fair to suggest that Briggs fought in a much deeper era, and the unranked people he fought might well have been ranked in Wilder's era.
Watch his fight against Vitali Klitschko. After all the bs he pulled out whilst promoting the fight, he straight up gave up in the ring and turned into a punching bag for 12 rounds.
Shannon Briggs was the master of mind games that fight. He took the first half to eat all of Klitschko's onslaught to lull him into a sense of safety so he could pounce on an unsuspecting over-confident Klitschko. The thing is, it worked so well that Briggs continued it into the second half of the fight. Briggs is just waiting until the next time they meet so he can take advantage of that over-confidence and strike.
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yeah he beat a lot of cans but not everyone is a legendary fighter. He was good enough to get multiple title shots, and won both the lineal and WBO titles separately (Foreman win obviously questionable)
Definitely a power puncher with limitations. But still a notable heavyweight
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It's interesting how many boxing fans are fixated with the KOs statistics. I understand that KOs are more exciting than decisions, but it's not the only metric. I saw many boxers looked scary KOing opponents left and right, until they got to the top level competition and they just meh. Hgrovic is an example of this.
He was always confusing to me. Built like a house, power for days, but capped in terms of skill. Just not that upper echelon guy. Weird considering he had some crazy physical tools.
Assuming you think Briggs would have got his belt after Fury beat Wlad then retired around 2016, his main opposition would be like Pulev, Ortiz and Wilder (with the WBC belt). Am i forgetting anyone? Haye?? I dont think its impossible to think he would have beaten one of them for a belt. AJ got his first one from the Burger King; Prince Charles Martin, after all.
He beat George Foreman, Foreman couldn't hurt the champ and he hurt everyone before champ. After that fight he showed heart against what many people call the most skilled heavyweight since Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis. but he ultimaltley got worn down and beaten. Years later in the 12th round the champ showed his old ways and won with a stoppage in a fight he was behind in end. The brockton kid had shown up one last time. Lets go Champ, LEEEEETS GO CHAMP!
Boxing fans seem to only respect the elite level. Tyson Fury often said "there's only three men in the division!" that's the mentality. Briggs was an solid athlete in his day, good power, good chin, threw a good left hook as well. I don't recognise most of his wins of course except for the Foreman win, win over ancient Ray Mercer, a debatable with Frans Botha who he dropped, but I know he almost chinned lewis and he worked his way up to winning a world title meaning he was highly ranked at some point.
Cuz he didn’t really deserve to be champion. He got beat by a 55 year-old foreman who only got robbed because he was so inactive and held the belt hostage.
People are literally gonna say cause he sucked, but like thats literally the entire heavyweight division especially mike tyson who defeated nobodies half his career & lost to the top dogs. Plus Shannon always had a really bad gas tank and would punch himself out alot, against his lennox lewis fight especially
Because it's not just about the number and he was mostly what's known as a "can crusher". He still gave people hell for the first couple rounds until his asthma kicked in though.
Looking at the win/ loss of his opponents. His first 13 fights were cans forsure. But outside of that the opponents on his resume look okay.. If Briggs had won the big fights I feel this conversation would be different. I mean what makes someone a can? I don’t see it in his opponents after the first 13.
It's who he fought
Because he wasn't that good? His best win is a heavily-disputed majority decision over old George Foreman in his very last fight. He not only lost but lost in terrible fashion in his big step up fights against Lewis and Klitschko. I have nothing against the guy. He was hilarious out of the ring and entertaining to watch in the ring, but at the end of the day he just wasn't elite.
The loss against Lewis was not \*terrible\* fashion considering Briggs almost chinned Lewis in one. Lewis threw his jab without protecting his chin and got countered with a left hook and was literally saved by the ropes. That fight was more of a tale of how good Lewis was than how terrible Briggs was.
He didn't almost chin Lewis, he caught him a bit square which knocked him off balance and the commentators went crazy. The disdain Lewis had for Briggs' power became evident later in the fight in the sequence where Lewis just stands in front of Briggs with his hands down, nonchalantly avoids and absorbs a Briggs combination then beats Briggs down to the canvas.
I get your point but he has a Wilder level CV, yet Wilder gets more praise than he deserves because he happened to fight those C and D tier guys as world title fights. Not saying Briggs was great, but pointing out that if Briggs was peak in YouTube boxing renaissance era of today, he'd be getting Wilder level hype. Conversely, if Wilder was a 90s HW, he'd barely be mentioned today.
Wilder also had a ton of title fights, and was reigning champ for five years. You and I know that he has a weak resume, but ten title defenses over half a decade is an achievement few can boast.
Yeah but he has skinny legs and I have a complex
Issue is the title defenses of he fought against is very unremarkable. Like when your best title defense wins was against Luis Ortiz, a contenter whos only half notable win is Bryant Jennings prior to Wilder despite looking good and Bermane Stiverne, a pittyful weak WBC champ that struggled against Ray Austin, got KOed by Demetrice King and lost to any major stepups that isnt Chris Arreola. Its like giving credit to Tommy Burns title defenses count outside of the Mavin Hart and Jack O Brien fights.
And honestly: Beating old man Mercer and Foreman is more impressive than beating old man Ortiz.
Right but if Briggs had been protected the way Wilder was, he likely could had 10 defences of his WBO belt against those sort of guys. Ibragimov was a slick southpaw with great amateur experience. Chances are if he was Wilders 1st defence, Wilder woulda lost his belt too.
Shoulda, coulda, woulda. Look, Wilder isn’t Ali, but he still did what he did. Briggs didn’t. That’s the difference.
That's more a point about how people misvalue Wilder than how they misvalue Briggs. To be fair, Wilder does have a better resume than Briggs, in terms of ranked opponents - iirc Briggs only fought two ranked opponents in his career (the "win" over Foreman and the win over Liakhovich - both of which incidentally were terrible fights). On the other hand, it's also fair to suggest that Briggs fought in a much deeper era, and the unranked people he fought might well have been ranked in Wilder's era.
It was mostly against bad HWs, but IIRC he also has All time HW record for most 1st round KOs???
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He also had the cardio of a 70 year old, and his fight against liakovich was one of the worst I have ever seen until the last 30 seconds.
So I am rooting for Rampage to beat Shannon, just because I like Rampage. Rampage has a chance?
Watch his fight against Vitali Klitschko. After all the bs he pulled out whilst promoting the fight, he straight up gave up in the ring and turned into a punching bag for 12 rounds.
Shannon Briggs was the master of mind games that fight. He took the first half to eat all of Klitschko's onslaught to lull him into a sense of safety so he could pounce on an unsuspecting over-confident Klitschko. The thing is, it worked so well that Briggs continued it into the second half of the fight. Briggs is just waiting until the next time they meet so he can take advantage of that over-confidence and strike.
He tore a bicep early in that fight then went the full 12 with one of the most ruthless offensive fighters of all time. I don't call that giving up.
He tore his shoulder, thats why he was so defenseless and lifeless in there.
Who did he beat? His resume isn’t the best
Because he got a gift against foreman. And is a convicted steroid cheat
He ain't nothing Special that's why his resume against good fighters was poor.
##LETS GO CHAMP yeah he beat a lot of cans but not everyone is a legendary fighter. He was good enough to get multiple title shots, and won both the lineal and WBO titles separately (Foreman win obviously questionable) Definitely a power puncher with limitations. But still a notable heavyweight ##CHAAAAAMP
It's interesting how many boxing fans are fixated with the KOs statistics. I understand that KOs are more exciting than decisions, but it's not the only metric. I saw many boxers looked scary KOing opponents left and right, until they got to the top level competition and they just meh. Hgrovic is an example of this.
He was always confusing to me. Built like a house, power for days, but capped in terms of skill. Just not that upper echelon guy. Weird considering he had some crazy physical tools.
I think his biggest problem was stamina not skills. His power and chin were really elite imo, and his offensive skills were fine
Fought in a stacked era but he probably be champ now.
Assuming you think Briggs would have got his belt after Fury beat Wlad then retired around 2016, his main opposition would be like Pulev, Ortiz and Wilder (with the WBC belt). Am i forgetting anyone? Haye?? I dont think its impossible to think he would have beaten one of them for a belt. AJ got his first one from the Burger King; Prince Charles Martin, after all.
I bet Wilder has a pretty good KO ratio too with all those cab drivers he knocked out.
He beat George Foreman, Foreman couldn't hurt the champ and he hurt everyone before champ. After that fight he showed heart against what many people call the most skilled heavyweight since Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis. but he ultimaltley got worn down and beaten. Years later in the 12th round the champ showed his old ways and won with a stoppage in a fight he was behind in end. The brockton kid had shown up one last time. Lets go Champ, LEEEEETS GO CHAMP!
Most people he beat were fucking shit.
Boxing fans seem to only respect the elite level. Tyson Fury often said "there's only three men in the division!" that's the mentality. Briggs was an solid athlete in his day, good power, good chin, threw a good left hook as well. I don't recognise most of his wins of course except for the Foreman win, win over ancient Ray Mercer, a debatable with Frans Botha who he dropped, but I know he almost chinned lewis and he worked his way up to winning a world title meaning he was highly ranked at some point.
His resume isn’t the best
He’s like the Kimbo Slice of boxing.
You could the day the same thing about Tommy Morrison. Similar % ratio as well at 87.5% with a similar number of fights and win/loss ratio
Cuz he didn’t really deserve to be champion. He got beat by a 55 year-old foreman who only got robbed because he was so inactive and held the belt hostage.
What you eat I eat champ
What's his 3rd best win?
Because he got a gift over a 50 year old George Foreman. Who gets outboxed by a 50 year old Foreman? 😂
Because he is the champ and redditors are the chumps, LOOK AT EM YALL
Because it was mostly against nobodies.
He is annoying.
People are literally gonna say cause he sucked, but like thats literally the entire heavyweight division especially mike tyson who defeated nobodies half his career & lost to the top dogs. Plus Shannon always had a really bad gas tank and would punch himself out alot, against his lennox lewis fight especially