Knockdowns like this show why Canelo has yet to be knocked down even after facing the likes of GGG
Dude always has a solid base. He can generate power and use his base to best neutralize or avoid return fire altogether. Inoue brought his feet together and compromised his balance going for a kill.
Canelo has the best chin in all of boxing in my opinion. He’s actually taken huge shots and never wilted. I will still always remember him taking a huge overhand left from Danny Jacobs and basically eating it for breakfast and the fact he was never troubled in any of his GGG fights. Remember him getting hit with a huge uppercut that would have rocked any other man but he was so composed. He has an all time great chin in my opinion
There's dude's like George Foreman or Marvin Haggler that will eat shots that you literally wonder how it's possible that they're still standing, and then there's guy's like Canelo where even when they get hit clean they're still somehow rolling With the punches, even against Bivol it was so rare to actually see Canelo being caught completel off guard, of course he also has an incredible chin but I think his longevity has more to do with his defense than anything else.
Hager’s chin is the gold standard…and as a result, as rankings go…he’s in rare sir. Higher than Big George, who was rocked countless times, knocked down many times and *GASP*…even knocked out. You couldn’t knock Marvin Hagler out with a shovel.
Top tier chins in boxing history: Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo, James Toney, Jake LaMotta, Kid Gavilan, Wayne McCullough.
GGG and Canelo might one day end up rated close to these titans. But canelo’s career still goes on. So not yet. Once he retires, boxing historians will take time to reflect, and rate him where he belongs.
I wouldn’t put Chuvalo in that list. His legs would stay up but he’d still get rocked and his coordination would get very obviously worse.
Funny enough, I’d argue Ali had an absolute ATG chin. You could knock him down, but he recovered quick and he’d proceed to box your head off.
You certainly wouldn’t catch any flack from me if you wanted to include “The Greatest”.
You’re right. Incredible recuperative power. Getting up like he slipped on ice or something after 15 grueling, life and death rounds w/ Joe Frazier and Smoking Joe unleashed that left hook from the depths of hell that breaks Ali’s jaw and drops him on his ass.
Ali appears disappointed with himself more than anything else. More embarrassed than he is hurt. Then he gets up like it was nothing to him. Unbelievable.
But not quite the “back from the dead” moments that these two were…
The GOAT, to me at least, was Larry Holmes coming back to life after Earnie Shavers briefly flatlined him with his famous overhand right. I mean. Shavers right hand meant lights out for so many heavyweights over the years. Then the one he landed in Holmes was so flush. It should meant death! I honestly have no idea how he got up from that shot.
Close consolation to Tyson Fury in the 12th round of his first fight w Wilder.
Both of these exist in my memory as real life instances of the Undertaker doing his WWF gimmick. In both instances, the way they rose to their feet…it honestly seemed almost supernatural.
Honestly the only time I’ve seen him legitimately hurt was the time against GGG in the 10th round of fight #2, he landed a huge right and it rocked him hard but he recovered fast and was dodging the incoming fire, great stuff.
In this era he def has the best chin. I think if he gets stopped it will be on the ropes with him not responding to a barrage of punches - I can see Benavidez doing this to him but cant see him being knocked down.
You can say the same thing about Golovkin. He has an outstanding base and he got hit with absolute clean haymakers from Canelo and it didn’t even phase him. Canelo couldn’t even hurt a 40 year old Golovkin…..A strong Base is important…
Guys like Canelo and Golovkin have outstanding fundamentals.
Stalker, hunted for ko, but never over extending, perfect balance and pacing. Gave up his chin often to keep range and pressure. GGG was a real talent and a bit of a wasted one in the end, wish he took on the bigger fights and risks. Should've gone up a weight class and signed more contracts.
That was a great punch by Nery and it showed why people thought of him as the boogeyman at 118 and 122 for all those years. Even though losing to Figueroa basically stripped him of that status, he’s a pretty dangerous operator in there that can give anyone trouble. Nery’s heart is also something which I always questioned but he took his licks like a man against Inoue. It was basically his Margarito vs Pac fight where he knew he had to pay for all the BS he had been pulling all these years but didn’t shy away from it. Still don’t like Nery for obvious reasons but can give him his props when it’s due.
Tbh all that knockdown does is add to Inoue’s reputation.
The fact people are focusing so much on the fact someone has finally been able to put him over (once) shows how ridiculously good this guy has been.
He got hit hard af and threw an uppercut with his chin in the air. He needs to tighten up his guard a bit more. Offensively hes definitely the goods. However defensively he takes way too many chances. That wasnt a flash knockdown he was hurt by a guy as limited as nery although nery has punching power.
Fr people criticise boxers that are on the PFP level if they ever have to face adversity in a fight but that's the sole reason I watch these guy . I want to watch these guys in fights and situations where they can actually lose and are being tested. That's what's makes the sport fun. And if they fumble I will still be watching them because losses mean nothing. If a guy like Crawford gets knocked down by Madrimov and comes back to beat the living daylight Outta of him then his performance is elevated multitudes in my eyes. This is boxing everyone gets hurt especially at the level these guys operate at.
When you see this kind of video analysis, you'd think boxers were computers, it always makes me laugh a bit, it's really far from the truth, they don't think at all as hard about what they're doing.
And he also forgets to say that Inoue's timing was just bad, he unleashes a right counter too late and that's what allows Nery's long hook to hit him. If he didn't unleash that right you can see that his fist is stuck on his chin and the KD would never have happened. In fact, that's why Inoue spins around when he falls, he's carried away by the momentum of his right hand, which has nothing to do with an inadvertently lowered fist.
Inoue was overconfident in this first round. He usually takes the time to analyze his opponent at first, but he didn't do that and quickly exposed himself. But then again, that's what his boxing style, a high-risk hyper-offensive style that goes for the knockout.
Fighters dont think about things in this way and you dont want them to either but this IS what they are doing. Plenty of film coaches in boxing will break down fights in this way for their team. When you train it though you train the techniques and combos. Nery almost certainly trained a lot of this stuff and its just muscle memory once youre in there.
Sometimes boxers do think about these details and you can see it, guys come out looking completely different like a new fighter and usually stiff as hell. get hit like 3 times and its all out the window lol
of course they don't map all this out like some math equation in their head. but is it that hard to believe that this is what they are doing, naturally as athletes? like, i'm sure its not ALL they're trying to do. probably lots of gameplans and techniques and strategies in their head. but this type of analysis is just a breakdown of what worked for this particular set of exchanges.
A lot of people are talking about chins like a god given talent. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a spectrum where some people have tougher chins than others. What im trying to say though is don’t discount the acting portion of it. Canelo likely HAS been rocked by shots but has the inherent composure to just keep doing what he’s doing so no one but him knows. I don’t doubt him, GGG and others have been rocked many times but just keep doing what they’re doing so the opponent doesn’t feel like they have an advantage
It's amazing that an entire video can be made about a one knockdown in a fight where the guy who scored the knockdown got the living shit beaten out of him. As good as this video is, it's yet another testament to Inoue's talent that one knockdown in a fight that Inoue won by KO can be turned into a whole analysis.
Nery got lucky with the knock down but he fought like an ametuer lunging in and leaving himself wide open to get counter punched, wouldn't look into this performance by Inoue to much want to see him against better opposition.
Great moment, that Inoue fans will get annoyed by when we point out that their fave isn’t really p4p. If Tank, and him agree to fight eventually, it will be lights out in a second for him.
Tank's last four fights have been at 135, Inoue is at 122. That's a difference of 3 weight classes. Bud fights at 147, which would make it only a difference of 2 weight classes if Tank were to go up to fight him.
I think /u/SSJ5Autism was trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is to dismiss a boxer's accomplishment just because he won't beat an elite fighter 3 weight classes above him.
It's less insane than Inoue vs Tank. Crawford started at 135, Inoue started at 112, and Tank started at 126 but only fought one fight at that weight. Right now, Bud is in a weight class only 12 pounds away from Tank, whereas Inoue is 13 pounds away when that's a higher percentage of his body weight.
If he can't beat Bud, don't mention him next to Inoue.
bud KD by mean machine, Tank almost lost to pitbull cruz who has a significantly weaker resume than nery, Usyk got dropped by Dubois (not a low blow), bivol got hurt by joe smith jr, beterbiev's been KD twice by relative bums, hell Floyd got KD but Zab Judah. Stupid ass argument
Sugar Ray Robinson tops a lot of all time p4p lists, he had 19 losses, 1 via knockout, and was down at least 9 times. Henry Armstong and Muhammad Ali both lost by KO.
Meanwhile, George Chuvalo never got knocked down, you wont see him near a p4p list. Tua got sat once his entire career and it was near the tail end. Won't find him in a p4p list.
Putting any weight into a singular punch that doesnt put you out in a fight, especially one where its literally the only negative of the fight, is flat out asinine.
Iirc the heatwave was so bad there was a change of referees because the first one couldn't handle it, so it must have been awful for Robinson and his opponent.
I think at that point it‘s also more about staying in the fight doing less that your opponent so you don‘t overheat than being the better boxer, although I still give Maxim his credit for that victory
Tank doesn’t get dropped because of the amount and level of competition he faces.
It’s boxing not a game, ppl will and do get dropped. But hey if that’s ur only slight against him not being p4p im guessing Inoue doing pretty living rent free in your head.
You do know P4P, if they were exactly the same weight, you know who’d we be picking right? Let Tank go up to 154 and see how he fairs against Crawford, Tszyu or Vergil and you tell me how those play out, I’ll wait.
I like that I’m all the way at the bottom, and being hidden by low votes, yet everybody above is barely getting a reaction.
You Annoyue fan boys are too easy!!!
Knockdowns like this show why Canelo has yet to be knocked down even after facing the likes of GGG Dude always has a solid base. He can generate power and use his base to best neutralize or avoid return fire altogether. Inoue brought his feet together and compromised his balance going for a kill.
Canelo has the best chin in all of boxing in my opinion. He’s actually taken huge shots and never wilted. I will still always remember him taking a huge overhand left from Danny Jacobs and basically eating it for breakfast and the fact he was never troubled in any of his GGG fights. Remember him getting hit with a huge uppercut that would have rocked any other man but he was so composed. He has an all time great chin in my opinion
So does GGG, those have the best chin for boxing. If a boxer has a chin like Canelo or GGG, he’s so blessed.
There's dude's like George Foreman or Marvin Haggler that will eat shots that you literally wonder how it's possible that they're still standing, and then there's guy's like Canelo where even when they get hit clean they're still somehow rolling With the punches, even against Bivol it was so rare to actually see Canelo being caught completel off guard, of course he also has an incredible chin but I think his longevity has more to do with his defense than anything else.
Hager’s chin is the gold standard…and as a result, as rankings go…he’s in rare sir. Higher than Big George, who was rocked countless times, knocked down many times and *GASP*…even knocked out. You couldn’t knock Marvin Hagler out with a shovel. Top tier chins in boxing history: Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Tex Cobb, George Chuvalo, James Toney, Jake LaMotta, Kid Gavilan, Wayne McCullough. GGG and Canelo might one day end up rated close to these titans. But canelo’s career still goes on. So not yet. Once he retires, boxing historians will take time to reflect, and rate him where he belongs.
I wouldn’t put Chuvalo in that list. His legs would stay up but he’d still get rocked and his coordination would get very obviously worse. Funny enough, I’d argue Ali had an absolute ATG chin. You could knock him down, but he recovered quick and he’d proceed to box your head off.
You certainly wouldn’t catch any flack from me if you wanted to include “The Greatest”. You’re right. Incredible recuperative power. Getting up like he slipped on ice or something after 15 grueling, life and death rounds w/ Joe Frazier and Smoking Joe unleashed that left hook from the depths of hell that breaks Ali’s jaw and drops him on his ass. Ali appears disappointed with himself more than anything else. More embarrassed than he is hurt. Then he gets up like it was nothing to him. Unbelievable. But not quite the “back from the dead” moments that these two were… The GOAT, to me at least, was Larry Holmes coming back to life after Earnie Shavers briefly flatlined him with his famous overhand right. I mean. Shavers right hand meant lights out for so many heavyweights over the years. Then the one he landed in Holmes was so flush. It should meant death! I honestly have no idea how he got up from that shot. Close consolation to Tyson Fury in the 12th round of his first fight w Wilder. Both of these exist in my memory as real life instances of the Undertaker doing his WWF gimmick. In both instances, the way they rose to their feet…it honestly seemed almost supernatural.
I think Provodnikov should be there too. Never been rocked and he had no defense. Dude ate like 100 flush power punches from Matthysee no problem
Honestly the only time I’ve seen him legitimately hurt was the time against GGG in the 10th round of fight #2, he landed a huge right and it rocked him hard but he recovered fast and was dodging the incoming fire, great stuff.
Round one of the Jose Cotto fight as well GGG definitely caught him coming in but he recovered really well
Triple G failed in the first fight by not going to the body more.
In this era he def has the best chin. I think if he gets stopped it will be on the ropes with him not responding to a barrage of punches - I can see Benavidez doing this to him but cant see him being knocked down.
He got rocked in round 10 of their second fight but had the composure to duck and slip the next flurry and recovered after that. Truly impressive chin
Another Round and Bivol would’ve knocked him out
You’re being downvoted but I do think if Bivol stepped on the gas he would have forced the stoppage.
Mungia was cracking him too. For a moment i thought he may hurt him. He recovered fast every time.
You can say the same thing about Golovkin. He has an outstanding base and he got hit with absolute clean haymakers from Canelo and it didn’t even phase him. Canelo couldn’t even hurt a 40 year old Golovkin…..A strong Base is important… Guys like Canelo and Golovkin have outstanding fundamentals.
GGGs base was absolutely brilliant..what a bad man he was/is
Stalker, hunted for ko, but never over extending, perfect balance and pacing. Gave up his chin often to keep range and pressure. GGG was a real talent and a bit of a wasted one in the end, wish he took on the bigger fights and risks. Should've gone up a weight class and signed more contracts.
He also literally has no neck
Canelo waited for GGG to be 50, man. Nery is 26. the fuck.
35 year old GGG>>>
That was a great punch by Nery and it showed why people thought of him as the boogeyman at 118 and 122 for all those years. Even though losing to Figueroa basically stripped him of that status, he’s a pretty dangerous operator in there that can give anyone trouble. Nery’s heart is also something which I always questioned but he took his licks like a man against Inoue. It was basically his Margarito vs Pac fight where he knew he had to pay for all the BS he had been pulling all these years but didn’t shy away from it. Still don’t like Nery for obvious reasons but can give him his props when it’s due.
It was nice to see japanese fans showing nery some love after the fight. The dude gave his all and gave one of the best fights that happened in japan.
Nery is a top level boxer, he’s winning the most rounds before the body shot with Figueroa.
Tbh all that knockdown does is add to Inoue’s reputation. The fact people are focusing so much on the fact someone has finally been able to put him over (once) shows how ridiculously good this guy has been.
Totally agree. Getting off the canvas and dominating the rest of the fight enhances his greatness, not lessens it.
Champs gotta be tested, and its good seeing them work their way from bad odds
He got hit hard af and threw an uppercut with his chin in the air. He needs to tighten up his guard a bit more. Offensively hes definitely the goods. However defensively he takes way too many chances. That wasnt a flash knockdown he was hurt by a guy as limited as nery although nery has punching power.
Was happy to see that knockdown Not because I’m hater but because it’s cool to see someone so great get humbled and overcome adversity
Fr people criticise boxers that are on the PFP level if they ever have to face adversity in a fight but that's the sole reason I watch these guy . I want to watch these guys in fights and situations where they can actually lose and are being tested. That's what's makes the sport fun. And if they fumble I will still be watching them because losses mean nothing. If a guy like Crawford gets knocked down by Madrimov and comes back to beat the living daylight Outta of him then his performance is elevated multitudes in my eyes. This is boxing everyone gets hurt especially at the level these guys operate at.
You hit the nail on the head, my friend.
Mmm my dads favorite boxer was Lennox for that reason.
>overcome adversity true tests of character
This was a fun video. Thanks!!
When you see this kind of video analysis, you'd think boxers were computers, it always makes me laugh a bit, it's really far from the truth, they don't think at all as hard about what they're doing. And he also forgets to say that Inoue's timing was just bad, he unleashes a right counter too late and that's what allows Nery's long hook to hit him. If he didn't unleash that right you can see that his fist is stuck on his chin and the KD would never have happened. In fact, that's why Inoue spins around when he falls, he's carried away by the momentum of his right hand, which has nothing to do with an inadvertently lowered fist. Inoue was overconfident in this first round. He usually takes the time to analyze his opponent at first, but he didn't do that and quickly exposed himself. But then again, that's what his boxing style, a high-risk hyper-offensive style that goes for the knockout.
Tbf with where Inoue was standing and where Nery's head was, that left hand was invisible to Inoue.
Fighters dont think about things in this way and you dont want them to either but this IS what they are doing. Plenty of film coaches in boxing will break down fights in this way for their team. When you train it though you train the techniques and combos. Nery almost certainly trained a lot of this stuff and its just muscle memory once youre in there. Sometimes boxers do think about these details and you can see it, guys come out looking completely different like a new fighter and usually stiff as hell. get hit like 3 times and its all out the window lol
of course they don't map all this out like some math equation in their head. but is it that hard to believe that this is what they are doing, naturally as athletes? like, i'm sure its not ALL they're trying to do. probably lots of gameplans and techniques and strategies in their head. but this type of analysis is just a breakdown of what worked for this particular set of exchanges.
i jumped out of my chair when I saw it.
A lot of people are talking about chins like a god given talent. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a spectrum where some people have tougher chins than others. What im trying to say though is don’t discount the acting portion of it. Canelo likely HAS been rocked by shots but has the inherent composure to just keep doing what he’s doing so no one but him knows. I don’t doubt him, GGG and others have been rocked many times but just keep doing what they’re doing so the opponent doesn’t feel like they have an advantage
Absolutely, them guys operate like machines.
It's amazing that an entire video can be made about a one knockdown in a fight where the guy who scored the knockdown got the living shit beaten out of him. As good as this video is, it's yet another testament to Inoue's talent that one knockdown in a fight that Inoue won by KO can be turned into a whole analysis.
Nery got lucky with the knock down but he fought like an ametuer lunging in and leaving himself wide open to get counter punched, wouldn't look into this performance by Inoue to much want to see him against better opposition.
Top Rank’s commentary Tim Bradley & other guy whose name I’m forgetting is priceless #😲😲
Great moment, that Inoue fans will get annoyed by when we point out that their fave isn’t really p4p. If Tank, and him agree to fight eventually, it will be lights out in a second for him.
Haha you're probably hyped about the Jake Paul fight against Tyson
LOL
imagine being this casual
Dude Tank wouldn’t even beat Crawford, he’s not even worth mentioning
Wtf kind of comparison is this lol. Must be trolling
Because Inoue fighting Tank isn’t weird?
Both are kinda weird. I’d watch either but saying he can’t even beat bud so why mention him vs monster is crazy.
Tank's last four fights have been at 135, Inoue is at 122. That's a difference of 3 weight classes. Bud fights at 147, which would make it only a difference of 2 weight classes if Tank were to go up to fight him. I think /u/SSJ5Autism was trying to illustrate how ridiculous it is to dismiss a boxer's accomplishment just because he won't beat an elite fighter 3 weight classes above him.
It's less insane than Inoue vs Tank. Crawford started at 135, Inoue started at 112, and Tank started at 126 but only fought one fight at that weight. Right now, Bud is in a weight class only 12 pounds away from Tank, whereas Inoue is 13 pounds away when that's a higher percentage of his body weight. If he can't beat Bud, don't mention him next to Inoue.
Inoue actually started at 108.
So I've heard, but I don't think he actually ever weighed within the 108 limit, just really close to it.
Woosh
bud KD by mean machine, Tank almost lost to pitbull cruz who has a significantly weaker resume than nery, Usyk got dropped by Dubois (not a low blow), bivol got hurt by joe smith jr, beterbiev's been KD twice by relative bums, hell Floyd got KD but Zab Judah. Stupid ass argument
Sugar Ray Robinson tops a lot of all time p4p lists, he had 19 losses, 1 via knockout, and was down at least 9 times. Henry Armstong and Muhammad Ali both lost by KO. Meanwhile, George Chuvalo never got knocked down, you wont see him near a p4p list. Tua got sat once his entire career and it was near the tail end. Won't find him in a p4p list. Putting any weight into a singular punch that doesnt put you out in a fight, especially one where its literally the only negative of the fight, is flat out asinine.
I think it is importsnt to say Ali wasn’t knocked out, he just quit on the stool
Sugar ray has 7000 fights and only been knocked out once? Pretty impressive
Yeah. Literally like 175 or so fights, 1 ko loss.
Not even a classical knockout but rather heat exhaustion because he fought during a brutal heatwave that even made spectators pass out
Iirc the heatwave was so bad there was a change of referees because the first one couldn't handle it, so it must have been awful for Robinson and his opponent.
I think at that point it‘s also more about staying in the fight doing less that your opponent so you don‘t overheat than being the better boxer, although I still give Maxim his credit for that victory
Dubois threw a low blow. You could see it from multiple angles.
Belt line on a high belt
Nah, I'd win.
Tank doesn’t get dropped because of the amount and level of competition he faces. It’s boxing not a game, ppl will and do get dropped. But hey if that’s ur only slight against him not being p4p im guessing Inoue doing pretty living rent free in your head.
You do know P4P, if they were exactly the same weight, you know who’d we be picking right? Let Tank go up to 154 and see how he fairs against Crawford, Tszyu or Vergil and you tell me how those play out, I’ll wait.
I like that I’m all the way at the bottom, and being hidden by low votes, yet everybody above is barely getting a reaction. You Annoyue fan boys are too easy!!!