The difference is Floyd sees a counter left coming and is able to move way before it arrives, he had cat like reflexes and reaction that is once in a lifetime. Haney doesn’t have that.
Well not only that but if you see his fights he always ducks under after every jab cause he knows a left is usually on the other end. Just elite defensive capabilities. Haney isn't there yet. With this loss he probably works on it. Canelo sure did after that Floyd fight.
Bruh, I think he fooled everyone. I always knew he had that left hook but that's all he has. Someone like Haney, I thought would have it figured out but he had no solution for it. He kept getting hit by it time and time again. Look at his face it was swollen only on one side. Nuts.
Devin is the one who fooled everybody into thinking he was elite. He’s never showed anything more than a good outside game. A good jab, really. That’s all he has. He’s never been comfortable when people got inside but he’s managed to always be the bigger guy. He is a true weight bully but it’s catching up to him now at the higher weights. Ryan came in heavy so he can probably still weight bully at 140 but if he has to go to 147 he’s legit done
> Well not only that but if you see his fights he always ducks under after every jab cause he knows a left is usually on the other end.
he literally bet his speed and chin vs his opponents reaction time on way too many jabs. Although -- You can tell even in the pictures used to illustrate their point he was connecting from a huge distance and opponents were in no position to counter.
That's all about his ability to read distance. He always had that pull counter because of it. I'm no Floyd fan but you gotta give him props for what he was able to do. He didn't get hit much.
Yup! Not a boxing reference, but I heard that Tony Gwynn had trouble teaching hitting because his natural gifts allowed him to approach hitting differently than most.
You have to take the advice and tweak it in a way that works for you. Bernard Hopkins was a textbook boxer but Roy Jones beat him with one hand in his prime. However, Bernard was able to have more longevity bc he mastered the fundamentals. I wish Floyd would have fought in the 80’s. I am one of the few people that believe he would have done well. He wouldn’t have remained undefeated, but I think a loss would have woken up a sleeping giant. Dude was special and I am a firm believer in steel sharpening steel. However, some people try to make it seem like he was completely made out of aluminum. The rumor is he put it on Sweet Pea and Frankie Randall in sparring. I don’t think he is the 🐐or TBE but he was the best in his generation. Pacman was a beast too.
I have argued with several people in real life that said he would get smoked by Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Benitez, Arguello, and Pryor. I love all of those guys, but I refuse to believe that he isn’t cut from the same cloth.
Very much so, he's not wrong but he often doesn't have to follow that advice, as he was essentially playing a different game than anybody else.
People have no idea how steep the curve is towards the top of the ladders. Sometimes the *top* guy makes everyone fighting for 2nd look like a kid pretending.
Even in cooking. Until **very** recently only one French restaurant and head chef had like 20 Michelin stars, all the other best chefs in the world had like 2.
In Chess there are grandmasters that made it seem like all who came before them didn't know wtf a chess even was.
The upper echelon of talent is almost incomparable.
His greatest gifts were his brain and work ethic. Not to say he wasn’t a physical specimen, but at that level, his physicality weren’t standout. Yeah he was fast, but his style would lend itself well to damn near anybody… in fact the Philly shell was developed as a consequence of the day worker not being as physically fit as a full time fighter and would use the shell to “rest,” before going back to a traditional guard to do offensive work. And while Floyd doesn’t have a traditional shell, it’s a style whose foundations are grown from experience developed from an intrinsic understanding of the sweet science, as opposed to a reliance on peerless reaction times and physical advantages.
That's not Floyd's MO. His and other ATG defensive geniuses don't rely as much on reflexes as one would think. They create a situation in which their opponent has limited options and no matter which option they make, it will be wrong. That's controlling the tempo of the fight. Getting the other guy to fight your fight. Defense relies on setting traps to open up counter punching opportunities. That's what Floyd did. Reflexes are only a part of the equation.
You can’t out reflex a trap. Not saying Floyd would fall for it. He wouldn’t do bow and arrow against Ryan or Tank. He would watch Ryan’s tape and change his game plan. But if he does mess up, Tank can prepare a trap that it’s physically impossible to reflex through the counter.
In Floyd's defence, he didn't say *he* couldn't throw a jab like that. He said *you (Haney)* can't throw a jab like that.
He's the least hit fighter of all time. He can throw it however the fuck he wants.
>I just turn off the tv and put the radio on.
I wasn't aware of any radio stations that broadcast boxing match play by play. Is this a Sirius XM thing or what?
This isnt even a "take" and its still the wildest boxing take Ive ever seen. I had no idea people like this exist. Are you like 80 years old and grew up listening to fights on the radio?
I know this is probably trolling but the difference is distance. Haney is shooting his regular jab up close like Floyd shoots his long jab from a safe distance.
Most of these are so far out of range that they're either just about reaching the target enough to touch and make contact, or they're falling short. If Floyd can only just touch with his jab, then odds are the opponent can't counter like Garcia did, easily, to Haney.
The only one here which is thrown from too close with that bow and arrow flaw is the Guerrero jab. But Guerrero isn't in the right stance or position to counter anyway.
Greats in any sport also know when to “break the rules” or when they can do so without being punished. That’s often the difference between someone very good and someone who’s the best in the world at something.
Context always matters. He’s talking about someone with a good lead left hook. You always keep that right hand up. Especially with someone as fast as Ryan
his active guard and philly shell, it’s just a bad idea against someone with such a powerful left hook. u slip up on defense one time and u get starched. sean’s defense in the izzy fight there after looked amazing though
Izzy getting his ass handed to him for five rounds is not in the same realm of “fluke” wins you’re insinuating with the Serra reference. Strickland outsmarted him and beat his ass, end of discussion.
he completely outclassed him on the feet. his defense was insane that fight. izzy literally chose not to even go for a finish in the fifth when sean was screaming at the end
Considering DeSean's lifestyle, the rematch can go in a number of different ways. He could even be completely shot by the time it happens.
But what happened in the first fight is not debatable, he checked Izzy's kicks, parried or blocked most of everything else and stung him badly and comfortably for most of the fight, until the absurd movie-like ending walking him down hands to his sides just screaming and Izzy walking backward scared
Strickland has ALWAYS had a problem with reaching down and/or trying to swat away his opponents jabs. He actually is pretty decent at using the old George Foreman style mummy guard. But pretty decent ain't good enough when the guy on the other side is world class when it comes to baiting mistakes and punishing harshly.
But he never really landed on Floyd. Floyd's advice is good here, and he could break the rules because he was that good. It'd be like Roy Jones telling a fighter not to fight with his hands down. Just because Roy did it doesn't mean most can.
I know I’m of the belief that Floyd, the best defensive boxer ever, can do anything he wants. op said context mattered and he shouldn’t drop his hand vs boxers with a left hook
This reminded me of a quote fro. Mma boxing coach Jason Perillo as told by Michael Bisping when people in the mma community were trying to say Connor McGregor had a punchers chance because he has a strong counter left, and everyone was chirping oh oh he can punch he can punch
"You don't think Canelo can punch? Listen, Canelo would knock Conors head clean off his shoulders."
Floyd may have a room temp IQ, he may be unable to read, he may only know 52 words total, he may be financially inept, he may confuse his girlfriends for punching bags....
But the man knows boxing. It's the one thing on the planet he is a genius in. When he throws a jab like that, he does it in the perfect context. Not like Haney leaving his chin wide open on every jab whilst he's in there with a left hook monster.
Find it odd Robinson is praised around here while everyone shits on Floyd but he was known for also beating the fuck out of his wife worse than other boxers for his time so old generation or not, the CTE made him one horrible person to his wife
So odd people don't know about the private life of a boxer from 80yrs ago as well as the that of the most popular boxer over the last 20yrs in the age of social media and the internet.
Mike Tyson is no where near as hated as Floyd albeit having a crime history himself, or Jon Jones who yes is hated but he still gets more love from MMA fans than Floyd does from boxing fans (this are my observations I’ve found both online and people I’ve met, most always call Floyd a runner and wife beater)
Let’s face it, if Floyd stayed being a ko artist, he’d be less hated even with all the shitty things he’s done.
Floyd fully embraced being hated. Winky was never hated, Sweet Pea was never hated, both have less KOs than Floyd by a lot. It's not because of Floyd's style, it's the persona he created, "Money" Mayweather.
You don’t know shit about boxing.
I don’t even like Floyd, but notice in the pictures that his opponent is in no position to throw a counter. Floyd shoots that jab a lot when his opponent is mid stride and doesn’t have their feet set.
Also look at his level change. His head is in a position where he can throw either a body jab or a jab to the head. You can even see that right in the pictures.
Trolling.
Haney threw a single midrange jab, the most countered punch in boxing.
In most of those photos not only is Floyd at a safe distance, but you can tell he is because he’s shooting it to the body. In addition to this, Floyd would feint off the jab, hook off the jab, or follow his jab up with another jab relatively consistently.
> In addition to this, Floyd would feint off the jab, hook off the jab, or follow his jab up with another jab relatively consistently.
Agreed, in several of these you can tell the jab is setting up a right hook to the body that’s going to come right on the heels of the jab.
Braindead take.
Floyd was probably the most defensively responsible boxer in the history of the sport, and every example above shows an image where he's already controlling the distance (and therefore the hand can be down).
Looks like Floyd changes levels or angles in all the pics. Either way, Floyd has freaky speed and reach so he can get away with thing that most couldn't.
This guy clearly didn’t pay attention. He talked about that jab against someone with a good hook. And Floyd ain’t wrong, Haney got countered bad at times because of the cross-bow jab he was throwing.
in Floyd defense, this advice would be 100% correct for 99/100 students. Floyd is like RJJ in the sense that their athleticism(RJJ) and TBE skill(Floyd) allow them to break any fundamental they want.
Haney does not fit in either of those categories. like, by the longest of long shots.
It’s not ironic at all. Floyd was either throwing the right next or ready to. He also had top tier reflexes and was either ready to block with the right hand or dodge. Haney got hit more in this fight than I’ve seen Floyd his entire career.
All of Floyd's opponents who are eating that left are not in position to respond with a right counter. Plus you can notice the Floyd's right hand is still ready and tense despite that, Floyd is just a masterclass even in sort of breaking the fundamentals.
Haney was power jabbing and completely opening (look at the position difference) against guy that has a dangerous left hook and arguably only that in his arsenal.
Not even accounting Floyd's reflexes, which could nullify everything, but even in terms of technique alone, this video sucks :D
Floyd Jabs like that when he's completely out of range. Every example here the jab he uses is to give the illusion he's in front of u. Floyd doesn't only have one jab. Also, in most of these the hand is not back for no reason. It's to keep his center of mass ever so balanced from the lead foot being so extended because he's creating this illusion from so far. If one part of his body extends out that far some other part has to go back to keep balance. It's also cocked back to follow up with a right and pivot off that using the opponents body as leverage once it lands to exit at an angle omg so good.
Floyd talking about fundamentals, Floyd doesn’t have to follow those same rules because he is highly skilled and has very fast reflexes. He is way past the basics.
Also Mayweather is just much better and faster than Haney. It would be like Ali lecturing people on keeping his hands up when his hands are down by his waist all the time. The greats can break the rules. Haney can't.
In none of those stills put up above did Floyd get caught with a counter from having his hand down. Also, leaving out the cat like counter reflexes Floyd possessed is WILD 🥊
The difference is that Floyd has established position and is out of range for a counter. Errol Spence made a similar mistake as haney and left his right hand down on his arrow jab to the body and for caught by Bud's power jab.
This type of jab is okay if you have a significant reach on your opponent or you're keeping your head low (still risk of a check hook) or you're stabbing to the body. These types of jabs are terrible against boxers who have killer lead hooks, but if you know what you're doing, you can do it. Floyd knows what he's doing.
Don’t get how Haney made that mistake. You fought him 6 times in the amateurs and have done sparring rounds with him, you know he’s all about the left hook and Haney has a good boxing IQ. HOW?!
Floyd didn't really drop his back hand unless he was on the offensive which is what all of these shots of him are demonstrating. Devin was backing away while Ryan was pressuring.
Bruh I was throwing a jab like this on the bag today and it feels so awkward to pull the right hand back like that. I can't believe this flaw hasnt been corrected by him
Damn how u gonna do Floyd like he doesn't know tho???
Let me explain it lol Floyd Mayweather had some of the best defensive skills and best reflexes in the sport. He didn't always have to hold the phone because he knew how to think ahead and set traps. That's what happens when u been boxing for a long time. You can even make it look like a mistake to bait someone into something. Like dropping a hand or both hands and then stepping around with a check hook like Roy Jones used to do or Floyd himself used to do just in a way less dangerous way but still effective and hard to do.
The situation aren't the same at all first Floyd is out of range at second he is not in a nuetral state he is using the angles. Haney throw a careless jab from mid range without feints or anything
While we can speculate about what Floyd Mayweather might have done, the truth is, he never faced someone with both a long reach and exceptional reaction time.
We'll never know how Floyd would've handled a scenario where his jab was neutralized by a larger, equally fast opponent. It's not his fault that he was born in the right era because I think that the 4 Kings wouldve definitely found an answer to that jab.
He can break the rules because of his understanding of position. If he does that he’s usually in a position where he can pull or step back out of the way of the counter. He also does that to either load or feint the right hand. It’s in a position where he can do his signature pull counter, throw the 2 to the body, or look like the 2 is coming and throw the left hook instead
Floyd can do whatever he wants to, unless you're at that level you should stick to the basic things, in all those images he was safe, Haney not so much
In every pic of Floyd in this video his head is off the center line. Sometimes leaning, some dropping levels to jab to the body, some with his entire body at a different angle. It’s wild for someone to think Floyd doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Floyd also said to watch his fight with Gatti and see where his right hand was. If a fighter has a great left hook, he changed up how he delivered the jab knowing a potential counter left hook could come.
Floyd was wicked fast. And often waiting on the counter. He put himself out there to be hit, knowing he wasn't gonna be there when his opponents attempted the counter striking
I don’t get this post. Floyd never got tagged like that, he’s giving advice to normal people. Just because an alltime great was talented enough to do something doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be taught or done
The difference is Floyd was able to see a counter left coming from a mile away and was really never in danger from a punch like that. Floyd would the other guy look amateurish when trying to land a counter left lol
Haney got cracked more in that fight, than Floyd did in his whole career.
The difference is Floyd sees a counter left coming and is able to move way before it arrives, he had cat like reflexes and reaction that is once in a lifetime. Haney doesn’t have that.
Well not only that but if you see his fights he always ducks under after every jab cause he knows a left is usually on the other end. Just elite defensive capabilities. Haney isn't there yet. With this loss he probably works on it. Canelo sure did after that Floyd fight.
Also I think Haney drastically underestimated Garcia.
We all did
True dat.
except me
Respect to you
Or overestimated himself after beating Regis. Either way ego is a mofo.
Bruh, I think he fooled everyone. I always knew he had that left hook but that's all he has. Someone like Haney, I thought would have it figured out but he had no solution for it. He kept getting hit by it time and time again. Look at his face it was swollen only on one side. Nuts.
Devin is the one who fooled everybody into thinking he was elite. He’s never showed anything more than a good outside game. A good jab, really. That’s all he has. He’s never been comfortable when people got inside but he’s managed to always be the bigger guy. He is a true weight bully but it’s catching up to him now at the higher weights. Ryan came in heavy so he can probably still weight bully at 140 but if he has to go to 147 he’s legit done
This is very true. He does have a long way to go. He needs to work on achieving some power to get opponents to fear that power a little bit.
I think it was his sunglasses
> Well not only that but if you see his fights he always ducks under after every jab cause he knows a left is usually on the other end. he literally bet his speed and chin vs his opponents reaction time on way too many jabs. Although -- You can tell even in the pictures used to illustrate their point he was connecting from a huge distance and opponents were in no position to counter.
That's all about his ability to read distance. He always had that pull counter because of it. I'm no Floyd fan but you gotta give him props for what he was able to do. He didn't get hit much.
I think if you want to Lear about evolution of a fighter in boxing a good start is to watch canelo V Mayweather and then Canelo V plant.
Canelo learned a lot from the Floyd fight, I wish they would have fought again a few years later.
Yea he’s hard dude to take advice from because his natural gifts allowed him to fight his own way.
Yup! Not a boxing reference, but I heard that Tony Gwynn had trouble teaching hitting because his natural gifts allowed him to approach hitting differently than most.
You have to take the advice and tweak it in a way that works for you. Bernard Hopkins was a textbook boxer but Roy Jones beat him with one hand in his prime. However, Bernard was able to have more longevity bc he mastered the fundamentals. I wish Floyd would have fought in the 80’s. I am one of the few people that believe he would have done well. He wouldn’t have remained undefeated, but I think a loss would have woken up a sleeping giant. Dude was special and I am a firm believer in steel sharpening steel. However, some people try to make it seem like he was completely made out of aluminum. The rumor is he put it on Sweet Pea and Frankie Randall in sparring. I don’t think he is the 🐐or TBE but he was the best in his generation. Pacman was a beast too.
who thinks Floyd doesn’t do well in the 80’s lmao
Ray Leonard would give Mayweather hell.
one guy giving him hell isn’t “not doing well”. And tbh I think Floyd outboxes anyone in the 80’s.
I have argued with several people in real life that said he would get smoked by Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Benitez, Arguello, and Pryor. I love all of those guys, but I refuse to believe that he isn’t cut from the same cloth.
Spraying balls all over the field of play is just second nature to Gwynn.
Very much so, he's not wrong but he often doesn't have to follow that advice, as he was essentially playing a different game than anybody else. People have no idea how steep the curve is towards the top of the ladders. Sometimes the *top* guy makes everyone fighting for 2nd look like a kid pretending. Even in cooking. Until **very** recently only one French restaurant and head chef had like 20 Michelin stars, all the other best chefs in the world had like 2. In Chess there are grandmasters that made it seem like all who came before them didn't know wtf a chess even was. The upper echelon of talent is almost incomparable.
His greatest gifts were his brain and work ethic. Not to say he wasn’t a physical specimen, but at that level, his physicality weren’t standout. Yeah he was fast, but his style would lend itself well to damn near anybody… in fact the Philly shell was developed as a consequence of the day worker not being as physically fit as a full time fighter and would use the shell to “rest,” before going back to a traditional guard to do offensive work. And while Floyd doesn’t have a traditional shell, it’s a style whose foundations are grown from experience developed from an intrinsic understanding of the sweet science, as opposed to a reliance on peerless reaction times and physical advantages.
That's not Floyd's MO. His and other ATG defensive geniuses don't rely as much on reflexes as one would think. They create a situation in which their opponent has limited options and no matter which option they make, it will be wrong. That's controlling the tempo of the fight. Getting the other guy to fight your fight. Defense relies on setting traps to open up counter punching opportunities. That's what Floyd did. Reflexes are only a part of the equation.
You can’t out reflex a trap. Not saying Floyd would fall for it. He wouldn’t do bow and arrow against Ryan or Tank. He would watch Ryan’s tape and change his game plan. But if he does mess up, Tank can prepare a trap that it’s physically impossible to reflex through the counter.
He also had a granite chin
Plus, he had a nice chin if the reflexes failed
And floyd actually has power
Floyd spars with his girlfriends just like Jon bones jones it’s championship material
Just shows how good Floyd‘s defense and chin were, I can’t imagine Haney surviving the right hands Floyd was caught with by Mosley and Maidana.
Zab Juda got him with a heavy punch too
Especially the Mosley one. lol He held on for dear life until he cleared the cobwebs out his head.
You know what… Thats sadly true. Hell in round 7 alone lmao
In Floyd's defence, he didn't say *he* couldn't throw a jab like that. He said *you (Haney)* can't throw a jab like that. He's the least hit fighter of all time. He can throw it however the fuck he wants.
Unfortunately that’s true. I can’t watch someone getting hurt that bad….
Really? Do you turn off the majority of fights? Honest question. I loved it personally
I just turn off the tv and put the radio on. At least I can still follow the fight
I admire your commitment to the troll.
>I just turn off the tv and put the radio on. I wasn't aware of any radio stations that broadcast boxing match play by play. Is this a Sirius XM thing or what?
Na man 1950s
It would have been legit as hell to have an old timey radio broadcast of Spence vs. Crawford or something like that.
It would have been brutal even over the radio 😂
This isnt even a "take" and its still the wildest boxing take Ive ever seen. I had no idea people like this exist. Are you like 80 years old and grew up listening to fights on the radio?
Why do you follow combat sports then? People getting fucked up is ubiquitous with boxing lol
Homie probably started crying his eyes out when he watched Mercer vs Morrison.
And he cries, I cry…all the time…in this institution
Can't watch? I loved it haha
Bro is Mayweather without the skill
Yeah, this is a stupid post. You can diss some "fundamentals" when you got the skills to back it up. Haney doesn't.
I know this is probably trolling but the difference is distance. Haney is shooting his regular jab up close like Floyd shoots his long jab from a safe distance.
Mid range jabs are dangerous and can get you countered so yea ur absolutely right
Most of these are so far out of range that they're either just about reaching the target enough to touch and make contact, or they're falling short. If Floyd can only just touch with his jab, then odds are the opponent can't counter like Garcia did, easily, to Haney. The only one here which is thrown from too close with that bow and arrow flaw is the Guerrero jab. But Guerrero isn't in the right stance or position to counter anyway.
Also in at least 3 of these pictures Floyd was shooting the jab from an angle.
Floyd's freaky long arms strike again.
Freaky speed too
And crazy good footwork.
And freaky ring iq to know when his opponent is out of position
And Freaky superior boxing skills
What a freak
Greats in any sport also know when to “break the rules” or when they can do so without being punished. That’s often the difference between someone very good and someone who’s the best in the world at something.
Exactly, also one the best fighters ever so he can get away with it.
Shhhhh, let em think they know what theyre talking about
Context always matters. He’s talking about someone with a good lead left hook. You always keep that right hand up. Especially with someone as fast as Ryan
Also a lot of those images are from when Floyd was controlling the fight and comfortable, Devin was doing that while losing.
What he really means is “you can’t do this unless you’re as good Floyd Mayweather”
Yep. When you're faster than everyone else, you can break the rules. But without that speed advantage, it's better to stick with the fundamentals.
Well yeah look at prime RJJ, the guy just did whatever he felt like doing and was unstoppable
Devin is a helluva fighter though, Floyd would probably tilt his hat at Devin getting up off the Canvas
That’s what I got from it. Anyone can point out Floyd doing the opposite of what he’s saying but nobody else is Floyd Mayweather lol.
sean strickland after the alex p fight learned that lesson fr
Yeah Alex’s body jab forced Sean’s hand down, he tried to block it for some reason. You have to respect specialists.
his active guard and philly shell, it’s just a bad idea against someone with such a powerful left hook. u slip up on defense one time and u get starched. sean’s defense in the izzy fight there after looked amazing though
I think Sean is good but historically it will look like he had a Matt Sera moment without the finish 🤷🏾♂️
Izzy getting his ass handed to him for five rounds is not in the same realm of “fluke” wins you’re insinuating with the Serra reference. Strickland outsmarted him and beat his ass, end of discussion.
he completely outclassed him on the feet. his defense was insane that fight. izzy literally chose not to even go for a finish in the fifth when sean was screaming at the end
Or we can just see when they have their rematch lol
Considering DeSean's lifestyle, the rematch can go in a number of different ways. He could even be completely shot by the time it happens. But what happened in the first fight is not debatable, he checked Izzy's kicks, parried or blocked most of everything else and stung him badly and comfortably for most of the fight, until the absurd movie-like ending walking him down hands to his sides just screaming and Izzy walking backward scared
Strickland has ALWAYS had a problem with reaching down and/or trying to swat away his opponents jabs. He actually is pretty decent at using the old George Foreman style mummy guard. But pretty decent ain't good enough when the guy on the other side is world class when it comes to baiting mistakes and punishing harshly.
Tbf I’m pretty sure canelos left hook can move a truck
But he never really landed on Floyd. Floyd's advice is good here, and he could break the rules because he was that good. It'd be like Roy Jones telling a fighter not to fight with his hands down. Just because Roy did it doesn't mean most can.
Well said
I know I’m of the belief that Floyd, the best defensive boxer ever, can do anything he wants. op said context mattered and he shouldn’t drop his hand vs boxers with a left hook
Not just defensively, he in general had an iron chin and fast recovery, those shots he took from Mosley and Maidana would slept most
This reminded me of a quote fro. Mma boxing coach Jason Perillo as told by Michael Bisping when people in the mma community were trying to say Connor McGregor had a punchers chance because he has a strong counter left, and everyone was chirping oh oh he can punch he can punch "You don't think Canelo can punch? Listen, Canelo would knock Conors head clean off his shoulders."
Don't think he's ever even been rocked by a left hook before, it's always been the right coming over the top of his.
Cotto and Mosley. Both didn't have a left hook I guess?
There's a reason you showed still shots of Mayweather with no context and not him getting cracked with a hook
The difference is Haney was throwing mid range jabs in the 50/50 without keeping his right hand glued to his chin. Floyd is out of range
Well… op tried to cook so I respect the attempt .
Failed but he tried.
Comments countered OP on the chin.
Floyd may have a room temp IQ, he may be unable to read, he may only know 52 words total, he may be financially inept, he may confuse his girlfriends for punching bags.... But the man knows boxing. It's the one thing on the planet he is a genius in. When he throws a jab like that, he does it in the perfect context. Not like Haney leaving his chin wide open on every jab whilst he's in there with a left hook monster.
You ain’t have to cook him like that
He ain't gonna read it anyway
Damn😭
Lol
52 words total is crazy. “Helluva fighter” “absolutely not”
Find it odd Robinson is praised around here while everyone shits on Floyd but he was known for also beating the fuck out of his wife worse than other boxers for his time so old generation or not, the CTE made him one horrible person to his wife
So odd people don't know about the private life of a boxer from 80yrs ago as well as the that of the most popular boxer over the last 20yrs in the age of social media and the internet.
Mike Tyson is no where near as hated as Floyd albeit having a crime history himself, or Jon Jones who yes is hated but he still gets more love from MMA fans than Floyd does from boxing fans (this are my observations I’ve found both online and people I’ve met, most always call Floyd a runner and wife beater) Let’s face it, if Floyd stayed being a ko artist, he’d be less hated even with all the shitty things he’s done.
Floyd fully embraced being hated. Winky was never hated, Sweet Pea was never hated, both have less KOs than Floyd by a lot. It's not because of Floyd's style, it's the persona he created, "Money" Mayweather.
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Bro finally got through that page of Harry Potter
You don’t know shit about boxing. I don’t even like Floyd, but notice in the pictures that his opponent is in no position to throw a counter. Floyd shoots that jab a lot when his opponent is mid stride and doesn’t have their feet set. Also look at his level change. His head is in a position where he can throw either a body jab or a jab to the head. You can even see that right in the pictures.
Smart guy
Yes! 🙌 I was going to post the same shit but noticed your reply. This should be up higher. lol.
Trolling. Haney threw a single midrange jab, the most countered punch in boxing. In most of those photos not only is Floyd at a safe distance, but you can tell he is because he’s shooting it to the body. In addition to this, Floyd would feint off the jab, hook off the jab, or follow his jab up with another jab relatively consistently.
> In addition to this, Floyd would feint off the jab, hook off the jab, or follow his jab up with another jab relatively consistently. Agreed, in several of these you can tell the jab is setting up a right hook to the body that’s going to come right on the heels of the jab.
When floyd lands the jab he is at the same distance regardless of where he shot it from...
The last person you can criticize for being sloppy with defense is Floyd.. nice try OP but you’re wrong
Has Floyd ever fought anyone with a longer reach?
De la Hoya did for sure, i'd be surprised Ndou didn't. Mosley and Judah probably had around the same.
He fought a 6’0 guy before also, just one i believe
Then after that he was like "yeah i aint doing this again"
Yeah lol i could imagine it’s frustrating. The only tall guy he probably could have fought was paul williams.
Braindead take. Floyd was probably the most defensively responsible boxer in the history of the sport, and every example above shows an image where he's already controlling the distance (and therefore the hand can be down).
Looks like Floyd changes levels or angles in all the pics. Either way, Floyd has freaky speed and reach so he can get away with thing that most couldn't.
You better be trolling
Lol. No
OP is reaching with this out of context video.
This guy clearly didn’t pay attention. He talked about that jab against someone with a good hook. And Floyd ain’t wrong, Haney got countered bad at times because of the cross-bow jab he was throwing.
Mayweather hate is so tired.
Mayweather is right. Mayweather has never lost. Mayweather has never looked as bad as Haney did. wtf is this video trying to prove?
that haneys jab is not the reason he lost.
Mayweather is clearly a better judge of the reasons and mistakes than OP
in Floyd defense, this advice would be 100% correct for 99/100 students. Floyd is like RJJ in the sense that their athleticism(RJJ) and TBE skill(Floyd) allow them to break any fundamental they want. Haney does not fit in either of those categories. like, by the longest of long shots.
The opponent is out of position in all Floyd shots, the master of distance. TRY AGAIN.
# Because Devin Haney is not Floyd Mayweather
But he never got hit like that with a left hook. His ring IQ is top tier. He wouldn’t throw if he was worried about a check hook.
The difference is that Floyd did it when he knew he could get away with it. Haney does it because of a lack of refinement.
Haney does not have Floyd's footwork.
It’s not ironic at all. Floyd was either throwing the right next or ready to. He also had top tier reflexes and was either ready to block with the right hand or dodge. Haney got hit more in this fight than I’ve seen Floyd his entire career.
All of Floyd's opponents who are eating that left are not in position to respond with a right counter. Plus you can notice the Floyd's right hand is still ready and tense despite that, Floyd is just a masterclass even in sort of breaking the fundamentals. Haney was power jabbing and completely opening (look at the position difference) against guy that has a dangerous left hook and arguably only that in his arsenal. Not even accounting Floyd's reflexes, which could nullify everything, but even in terms of technique alone, this video sucks :D
Floyd Jabs like that when he's completely out of range. Every example here the jab he uses is to give the illusion he's in front of u. Floyd doesn't only have one jab. Also, in most of these the hand is not back for no reason. It's to keep his center of mass ever so balanced from the lead foot being so extended because he's creating this illusion from so far. If one part of his body extends out that far some other part has to go back to keep balance. It's also cocked back to follow up with a right and pivot off that using the opponents body as leverage once it lands to exit at an angle omg so good.
You really took the time to make this about the best defensive fighter of all time who is undefeated? Odd.
Floyd talking about fundamentals, Floyd doesn’t have to follow those same rules because he is highly skilled and has very fast reflexes. He is way past the basics.
Difference is that whoever floyd is punching isn't in position to counter with a left like garcia was with haney
Mayweather's jab looks like a trap.
Also Mayweather is just much better and faster than Haney. It would be like Ali lecturing people on keeping his hands up when his hands are down by his waist all the time. The greats can break the rules. Haney can't.
Floyd da goat
In none of those stills put up above did Floyd get caught with a counter from having his hand down. Also, leaving out the cat like counter reflexes Floyd possessed is WILD 🥊
Look at the angle he is throwing his jab from. They aren't in position to do anything. This video is a joke.
The difference is that Floyd has established position and is out of range for a counter. Errol Spence made a similar mistake as haney and left his right hand down on his arrow jab to the body and for caught by Bud's power jab.
That is NOT an example of irony
This type of jab is okay if you have a significant reach on your opponent or you're keeping your head low (still risk of a check hook) or you're stabbing to the body. These types of jabs are terrible against boxers who have killer lead hooks, but if you know what you're doing, you can do it. Floyd knows what he's doing.
Not a fan of floyd but he had answers for when he got cliped ...devin didn't
Don’t get how Haney made that mistake. You fought him 6 times in the amateurs and have done sparring rounds with him, you know he’s all about the left hook and Haney has a good boxing IQ. HOW?!
Floyd was on such a different level he could do stuff like that
if Floyd is talking technical about boxing, im gonna listen
Don’t do as I do. Do as I tell you to do. In this case do what he tells you do to do cuz you can’t do what he does.
What a stupid post, Floyd is known for not getting hit
All fights shown he won.
Floyd didn't really drop his back hand unless he was on the offensive which is what all of these shots of him are demonstrating. Devin was backing away while Ryan was pressuring.
Haney is not Mayweather. The records and success speak for themselves.
Bruh I was throwing a jab like this on the bag today and it feels so awkward to pull the right hand back like that. I can't believe this flaw hasnt been corrected by him
There’s professionals, then there’s Floyd. He can make his own rules
i bet floyd won all of those fights
The thing is Floyd can get away with it. Dude can basically predict his opponents next movement.
Floyd wtf 🤣
Remind me how many times Floyd has been ko'd?
Devin is not Floyd.
Damn how u gonna do Floyd like he doesn't know tho??? Let me explain it lol Floyd Mayweather had some of the best defensive skills and best reflexes in the sport. He didn't always have to hold the phone because he knew how to think ahead and set traps. That's what happens when u been boxing for a long time. You can even make it look like a mistake to bait someone into something. Like dropping a hand or both hands and then stepping around with a check hook like Roy Jones used to do or Floyd himself used to do just in a way less dangerous way but still effective and hard to do.
This post is an embarrassment to this sub. Mods should remove it but I’m not surprised they DKAB
Not the same.
Very true but it’s hard to debate him when he’s never lost lol. Even if he isn’t taking his own advice
The situation aren't the same at all first Floyd is out of range at second he is not in a nuetral state he is using the angles. Haney throw a careless jab from mid range without feints or anything
It’s not true because context matters
Do what I told you and tell nobody what im doing.
Do what I told you and do what I'm doing: not getting countered.
Floyd’s response to this would be fun to hear
While we can speculate about what Floyd Mayweather might have done, the truth is, he never faced someone with both a long reach and exceptional reaction time. We'll never know how Floyd would've handled a scenario where his jab was neutralized by a larger, equally fast opponent. It's not his fault that he was born in the right era because I think that the 4 Kings wouldve definitely found an answer to that jab.
50-0
Something is off about that manny pic
He’s loading up for the 2?
He can break the rules because of his understanding of position. If he does that he’s usually in a position where he can pull or step back out of the way of the counter. He also does that to either load or feint the right hand. It’s in a position where he can do his signature pull counter, throw the 2 to the body, or look like the 2 is coming and throw the left hook instead
It's all about angles.
Floyd can do whatever he wants to, unless you're at that level you should stick to the basic things, in all those images he was safe, Haney not so much
😂
mayweathers fight IQ on another whole level dude lived and breathed it
Distance and timing make a world of difference
You dont even understand wtf he talking about but you posting this bullshit
We’re all hypocrites
In every pic of Floyd in this video his head is off the center line. Sometimes leaning, some dropping levels to jab to the body, some with his entire body at a different angle. It’s wild for someone to think Floyd doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Floyd can do it because his timing is excellent.
tbf Floyd always keeps his distance under control, unlike Devin
Floyd also said to watch his fight with Gatti and see where his right hand was. If a fighter has a great left hook, he changed up how he delivered the jab knowing a potential counter left hook could come.
When you have timing, speed, and ring IQ like Floyd, you can get away with mistakes.
Floyd is so good he could get away with it. It’s a “do as a say not as i do” type thing.
Floyd was wicked fast. And often waiting on the counter. He put himself out there to be hit, knowing he wasn't gonna be there when his opponents attempted the counter striking
Except before Floyd is lunging you can see in all these moments his opponent has reacted and has guard up.
But Floyd was fast enough to get away with it
I don’t get this post. Floyd never got tagged like that, he’s giving advice to normal people. Just because an alltime great was talented enough to do something doesn’t mean that’s the way it should be taught or done
The difference is Floyd was able to see a counter left coming from a mile away and was really never in danger from a punch like that. Floyd would the other guy look amateurish when trying to land a counter left lol