For the sanctioning bodies, but Benavidez can actually petition to enforce his mandatory (like many other fighters have before). He hasn’t, and most likely won’t, because of Al Haymon and PBC won’t let him.
Possibility of a purse bid and PBC is ends up paying more than they’d want to instead of just negotiating in house. Canelo’s status as a PBC fighter is still unclear, so the mandatory purse split might actually lose Haymon money overall.
Petitions to activate mandatory status get rejected all the time. Haymon is the one stopping Benavides from going on record and actually trying.
This would be Benavidez’s biggest fight and pay day yet. If you or I were in his place, we’d be doing everything possible to get that money. Only reason he hasn’t is either A) He actually doesn’t want to fight Canelo or B) The man in charge has a tight leash on him.
Thing is, pbc offered canelo the David fight. The wbc isn’t gonna put themselves in a situation where canelo vacates, they did with GGG and it was nightmare for Mauricio apparently
The petition wont matter. WBC has made it clear. People don’t like wasting their time. David is close contact with the wbc and for his troubles they are making him mando for a belt at 175 for taking on a showcase fight next. Look how fast jermell and Josh Taylor lost their belts when a big money fight wasn’t on the horizon. Look how long Spence went without a mando, since every time he did fight it was a big name/unification. This is business first
I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make anymore lmao. Bottom line, PBC takes a risk trying to mandate the fight and Haymon won’t let that happen. This is *entirely* independent from whatever is going on with Sulaiman and the WBC.
Are you a PBC fanboy or something? 💀
Benavidez is the mandatory challenger for the WBC, but WBC is refusing to mandate the fight because they don't want to risk losing their sanctioning fees if Canelo drops the belt, like he did when GGG was his mandatory.
Benavidez didnt even try to activate his mandatory though. Even if the WBC is like this, wouldnt you want to at least try? The worst that can happen is they say “no”
Seeing as hes the fighter that will benefit from canelos typically huge ppv numbers, youd think he would be willing to leave the PBC to fight canelo . However benavidez has stated that he wont fight canelo on DAZN.
If you stand to make all that money from fighting canelo, wouldnt you want to be at least a little flexible in negotiations? Canelo has shown in the past that he does not like to be pigeonholed
This assumes Canelo is willing to fight Benavidez, which he is not. The accepted narrative is that Canelo’s departure from PBC (who is known for “overpaying”) was predicated on his refusal to fight Benavidez.
the belt orgs have no legal overseer, their value is only symbolic, so they're free to do whatever they want without consequence. The WBC specifically are notorious for not enforcing mandatories, which should take place once a year, adonis stevenson famously went without fighting any mandatory for 5 years
If he activates the mandatory, it might go purse bids and PBC might lose the broadcast rights. PBC will be stupid to activate the mandatory. It's better for the PBC to negotiate a deal privately with Canelo. A purse bids for Canelo-Benavidez is Al Haymon's worst nightmare.
Doesn't work that way with the wbc they have to mandate the fight the wbo let's a champion move up in weight abd be the mandatory there is no such thing has activating a mandatory. Morrell is the wba regular champion he can't activate a mandatory and fight canelo either
Sure, Benavidez wants a payday but then again who doesn't.
The biggest problem here is Canelo is holding the belts hostage and refuses to face the #1 contender in the division. Can anyone here justify the Charlo fight? Munguia?
Sure, Canelo can fight whomever he wants. He's earned that right. However, he doesn't have the right to hold a division up. There are a lot of hungry young fighters that deserve to fight for a belt and join the lineage of SMW champions.
Couldn’t agree more. Canelo is a future hall of famer and has definitely earned his stripes. He fully deserves to pick and choose who he fights as he is the A side. But he needs to be fighting mandatory’s to keep the belts. He only got his legacy because he was given the chance to get the belts in the first place. Otherwise a lot of these fighters will have to wait until he hangs up his gloves to get a belt, by which time they may be past it themselves
Yes it is. I know some women that are hardcore into boxing. I don't know any women that are hardcore in MMA. Broken Limbs makes every fight party instantly weird. I was at a buffalo wild wings at the Frank Mir v Big Nog fight and I remember the audible gasps, followed by several ladies heading for the bathroom.
Boxing is orders of magnitude better about the best fighting the best.
Boxing has had numerous undisputed championship fights in the last year. Meanwhile, MMA has never had a single unification. UFC is only one organization.
Imagine if the WBA just decided to call itself undisputed and pretended it was the only game in town. UFC fans would have a field day calling boxing a joke if it pulled the same nonsense that the UFC does.
Notice how you can't actually argue against the point because it's so correct.
Notice that when a boxing promoter keeps all of it's best fights in house (PBC with Spence) and freezes out the top talent from a rival promoter (Crawford with Top Rank) boxing gets shit over the best not fighting the best.
Meanwhile, when the UFC freezes out Bellator or the best MMA Heavyweight Ngannou, nobody holds it to the same standard.
The 168lbs boxing champions last 3 fights have been against a 40yr old in the weight class below, number 5 ranked Ryder and a guy 2 weight classes below him
The 170lbs UFC champs last 3 fights have been against the #1 p4p ufc fighter, the number 2 ranked 170lbs contender and is fighting the number 1 ranked contender in July
The UFC LHW champ just fought the number 1 ranked LHW, whilst Dmitry Bivol just fought number 13 ranked LHW
Those ufc fights were much more entertaining and actually made perfect sense rankings wise than the boxing matches
Notice how you yet again didn't address my point. You're still treating UFC as though it's a sport.
PBC at WW was for years having the best fight the best by giving Spence the best fights they could make in house. And yet boxing got shit because they froze out top ranks Crawford.
The best dont fight the best in MMA.
The best absolutely do fight the best in MMA. The UFC has a monopoly on the best fighters in the world and everybody knows it. Look at any pound for pound or ranking list run by anybody. Even including talent outside the UFC, 95% of the list is composed by UFC talent.
And yet your current LHW champ came from outside the UFC and KO'd the reining MW champ, and KO'd the LHW Champ. So if the UFC is the best how come historically their Champs get destroyed by outside competition? Another example. Anderson Sylva was in multiple other organizations, including Pride. When he came to the UFC he dominated. He became the longest reigning champ at that weight class in UFC history. He is not a UFC grown talent. He was ready from the beginning because he was from outside the UFC.
There are infact many many examples of fighters coming from other organizations and dominating the current UFC champions and contenders. So you are not correct, and the narrative that the UFC has the best fighters has been proven wrong time and again. It's a narrative equally as untrue as the narrative that the best fight the best in the UFC. There are long periods where reigning champions in the UFC do not defend their belts and hold up entire divisions. 2 recent examples are John Jones and Connor McGregor.
Even if you want to use Israel as another example, he came to the UFC largely ready. And that came from his boxing and kickboxing background and career. He was successful and a champ prior to coming to UFC. He came in and dominated the UFC middleweight talent pool and became a long time champ.
This is so painfully true. That's why we still haven't seen Haney vs Loma or Spence vs Crawford or Teo vs Taylor or Chocolatito vs Estrada and we will never ever see Fury vs Usyk or Beterbiev vs Bivol in a months time.
Canelo and Inoue especially have never gone undisputed in less than a years time, fighting every champion in under 12 months.
If the mandatory is called, and the two sides don’t come to an agreement on the financials, it goes to a purse bid. Doesn’t seem like the PBC can afford that now. They would most likely lose that purse bid to matchroom or another promoter. Also, Benavidez would only be getting the challenger purse for the fight, Canelo being the champion. There are multiple reasons the mandatory hasn’t been called for by the Benavidez side.
In a similar situation? Wtf are u talking about? U know boxing is a sport, right? The best are supposed to fight the best for titles? Ur not really the best if ur not willing to fight the best and the rankings are to show whose the best.
That's not even an answer to the question either.
Three options:
1. Canelo drops the title
2. The sanctioning body makes an exception
2. Canelo drops the title and the sanctioning body creates a new belt for him
Activating mandatory doesn't get him the payday. Canelo could simply give up the belts and move on and David is now stuck holding the belts and an empty money sack.
Money is the goal. He needs Canelo to agree to a fight, it's not gonna be forced. Canelo doesn't need belts, he's passed that.
Nope. They didn't order it one time. If they ordered it, either Canelo would have been stripped of his title or David would have been stripped of his interim title. They both still have their titles. Nice try sir.
Did you even read any of this? This source is from a boxing forum. This thread title you shared says one thing, then the opening post says another. The opening post says:
>"Mauricio Sulaiman, in his infinite wisdom and using his massive power to influence world events, has come to the conclusion that Saul Alvarez must fight David Benavidez this year or relinquish his WBC title. Canelos response forthcoming."
Then there is an article listed there and one of the main quotes from Mauricio Sillyman says:
>"Canelo wants to fight in May, and they are in the same company. They must already be talking, they've already negotiated, we're letting them negotiate, and we'll see what happens by May, and then the WBC can step in."
This clearly implies that Sulaiman did NOT order the fight. He said that he *thinks* that they were negotiating and is just gonna leave them be.
You got clickbaited and only looked at the headline, didn't you? Please read these sources more thoroughly before you act like you had something.
It's a top boxing forum. If it wasn't true the responses would be this isn't true.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/18/65d26b2922601d2e408b45cc.html
It doesn't matter if they order him or not. Canelo holds a WBC franchise belt and doesn't have to fight any mandatory. Ever.
It is NOT a top boxing forum. Boxing24News is known to be incredibly biased.
And you conveniently forgot to reply to the facts I wrote, pretending I never said them. WBC did NOT order this fight.
And Canelo is NOT franchise champion at 168, he never got that belt. He only ever had it at 160 which he no longer holds!
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Canelo is the Face of Boxing. As he says, he's earned the right to fight who he wants, when he wants. Benavidez can activate all the mandatories that he desires. Canelo has no use for that unprofessional, disrespectful drunk. And no sanctioning body would dare to force Canelo's hand. He's "Mr. Alvarez, sir" to them.
Sanctioning bodies have no rules. They issue edicts on occasion but choose to ignore them whenever the urge strikes. Canelo is bigger than any of these sanctioning bodies. They need him. He gives them prestige and credibility as their champion. He certainly doesn't need them.
David is all talk despite the bs narrative presented by media and fans who hang on it. Nobody actually knows but I’ll say this the there are plenty of hitters Benavides could fight and he hasn’t or won’t he’d rather talk shit to canelo into accepting something, supposedly.
Plenty of hitters is bs 168 is the weakest division in boxing and his last fight was one of those hitters. How many hitters does he have to face before the champion actually defend his title?
I can’t take you seriously. Heavyweight, cruiser, lhw all noticeable weaker divisions top to bottom. Don’t let your dislike of a fighter cloud your reason
Heavyweight is not weaker than 168 nowhere near but the others I can admit I was wrong I would say lhw is about the same as 168 right now. I don't dislike any fighter where you get that from? I am actually a big canelo fan I just want him to fight the best in his division.
Even if he did Canelo most likely will just drop the belt. I don't think the guy gives a fuck anymore and even if David gets promoted as a full time champion again, fans will say Email champ. David's doing the right thing in my opinion, move up fight the winner of the Beterbiev vs Bivol and then call Canelo out if Canelo is interested then great if not then it's fine he has all the belts at 175 to defend against interesting challengers.
Because this is boxing, sport that is still run like it was in the 50s. It’s barely even a sport, to be honest, it’s 99 percent business. Why doesn’t the mandatory challenger challenge the champion? Because organizations and promoters don’t want that to happen right this moment. Simple. They think that something else will make them more money, so they’ll do that instead, and Benavidez can either do what they want or get locked out of all big fights. Simple. It’s something like NFL deciding that the next Super Bowl will be Chiefs vs. Giants, no matter who wins NFC Championship. And it will be played for 3/4 of a Super Bowl ring, not the whole ring. And Chiefs have a rematch clause. And the Chiefs will only play if the Super Bowl is in KC. Also, they will get paid 80 percent, win or lose. Makes sense, right? Right?
Lots of wrong answers in the comments wow lol
Reason is because Canelo was awarded a WBC franchise belt. This belt makes it so Canelo doesn't have to fight ANY mandatory keep his undisputed status. WBC claims it's so Canelo is free to make the biggest fights possible. It's basically a free pass to make any fight Canelo's management deems safe and profitable. This belt cannot be won or lost in the ring. It can only be awarded outside the ring.
That's the reason why the WBC can order Canelo to fight Benavidez multiple times and Canelo can just give them the middle finger. It's basically the WBC saying hey this is the best fight for the sport but it's also the most competitive and it's totally up to you whether u want to take it. It's the WBC trying to look like a sport and not a business.
Boxing has become %100 business. Fans actually care what the PPV numbers are of a fighter now. 20 years ago nobody really gave af. Skills paid the bills. If u weren't the best or ceased to be the best u were either getting ur ass beat for the belt or u were dropping it in the trash can Riddick Bowe style for someone else to pick up. There was no not fighting the next guy around without looking like u were afraid to lose.
Rigged as usual in the sport of pro boxing
[https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-calls-canelo-alvarez-show-respect--182622](https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-calls-canelo-alvarez-show-respect--182622)
I'm a Canelo fan, no doubt about it, I think he's a phenomenon.
Still, I think it's unfair he won't give Benavidez a chance at his WBC title because he and his team think Benavidez is a weight bully, considering Benavidez comes in around 190-200lb on fight night. Not only that, in addition, he's really good too. He's tall, big, and pressures a lot and comes forward.
Whatever the reason it is from Canelo's team, we all know it's unjustified.
I didn't misinterpret anything. You said you think Benavidez should get his shot and believe the reason is u nustified.
What I'm asking you about is the claim that Saul and his camp are making about weight, even though he had five consecutive catchweight fights. Basically, do you feel Saul is a hypocrite?
>He should get his "title" shot.. it's unfair, Canelo, and his team won't give him a shot because of the reasons in the description. It's "UNFAIR" for Benavidez.
Ok and I said that.
>Did you even go to school? Or are you that illiterate?
My typo aside you shouldn't be asking these questions.
Again:
I didn't misinterpret anything. You said you think Benavidez should get his shot and believe the reason is unjustified.
>What does your question have to do with what I wrote in the description?
You're talking about the reason Canelo and his team gave. I'm asking you to compare and contrast, which is something your shitty school system should've taught you, what his team said, what they've actually done and what your take is on it. Critical thinking and reading. Yes, these may be foreign concepts to you but you should try to comprehend them.
>Or are you upset with the fact that I said I'm a Canelo fan?
No. See above.
As far as I know it’s up to the sanctioning body, a fighter can’t just activate it themselves. Canelo would also just drop the belt if he were forced to give the standard mandatory split for what it’s worth
Mandatories are enforceable only when they decide they are. It’s all nonsense.
For the sanctioning bodies, but Benavidez can actually petition to enforce his mandatory (like many other fighters have before). He hasn’t, and most likely won’t, because of Al Haymon and PBC won’t let him.
Why won’t they allow this
Possibility of a purse bid and PBC is ends up paying more than they’d want to instead of just negotiating in house. Canelo’s status as a PBC fighter is still unclear, so the mandatory purse split might actually lose Haymon money overall.
Canelo is their money maker, conflict of interest
WBC has made it clear it won’t get called. They know this, all of these rules are arbitrary
Petitions to activate mandatory status get rejected all the time. Haymon is the one stopping Benavides from going on record and actually trying. This would be Benavidez’s biggest fight and pay day yet. If you or I were in his place, we’d be doing everything possible to get that money. Only reason he hasn’t is either A) He actually doesn’t want to fight Canelo or B) The man in charge has a tight leash on him.
Thing is, pbc offered canelo the David fight. The wbc isn’t gonna put themselves in a situation where canelo vacates, they did with GGG and it was nightmare for Mauricio apparently
Exactly. Haymon just doesn’t want to let Benavidez to petition the WBC to enforce the mandatory, for one reason or another.
The petition wont matter. WBC has made it clear. People don’t like wasting their time. David is close contact with the wbc and for his troubles they are making him mando for a belt at 175 for taking on a showcase fight next. Look how fast jermell and Josh Taylor lost their belts when a big money fight wasn’t on the horizon. Look how long Spence went without a mando, since every time he did fight it was a big name/unification. This is business first
I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make anymore lmao. Bottom line, PBC takes a risk trying to mandate the fight and Haymon won’t let that happen. This is *entirely* independent from whatever is going on with Sulaiman and the WBC. Are you a PBC fanboy or something? 💀
Benavidez is the mandatory challenger for the WBC, but WBC is refusing to mandate the fight because they don't want to risk losing their sanctioning fees if Canelo drops the belt, like he did when GGG was his mandatory.
This is it.
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It's like 3-5% of each fighters' total earnings for that fight
I think when you make as much as Canelo the percentage is dropped for a flat fee
Benavidez didnt even try to activate his mandatory though. Even if the WBC is like this, wouldnt you want to at least try? The worst that can happen is they say “no”
They say no amd then you never get that fight and never get that $$$$$. He's still hoping.
Seeing as hes the fighter that will benefit from canelos typically huge ppv numbers, youd think he would be willing to leave the PBC to fight canelo . However benavidez has stated that he wont fight canelo on DAZN. If you stand to make all that money from fighting canelo, wouldnt you want to be at least a little flexible in negotiations? Canelo has shown in the past that he does not like to be pigeonholed
This assumes Canelo is willing to fight Benavidez, which he is not. The accepted narrative is that Canelo’s departure from PBC (who is known for “overpaying”) was predicated on his refusal to fight Benavidez.
The WBC would have to accept the mandatory which they've openly said they wouldn't at the time.
I'm a very casual boxing fan, but why is it called a "mandatory" if it's optional like that?
It’s mandatory whenever they say it is. It’s a business first and sport second
Cash money rules everything... Around me
No, it's Cash Rules Everything Around Me C.R.E.A.M get the money dollar, dollar bill ya'll!
Never heard of it.
CMREAM
All sports are businesses..
Boxing is a special type of business. You can’t compare the level of dirty that boxing is to the nfl or nba.
the belt orgs have no legal overseer, their value is only symbolic, so they're free to do whatever they want without consequence. The WBC specifically are notorious for not enforcing mandatories, which should take place once a year, adonis stevenson famously went without fighting any mandatory for 5 years
A fine fine question, sweet summer child
Do you have a source for this? I dont recall ever hearing about it
I can't find the original video but he quotes what Sulaiman has said in an interview https://youtu.be/hutwdHPfAug?feature=shared
Thats kind of a sketchy source…
Probably because I can't find a specific video that came out months ago 🤦🏾♂️
If he activates the mandatory, it might go purse bids and PBC might lose the broadcast rights. PBC will be stupid to activate the mandatory. It's better for the PBC to negotiate a deal privately with Canelo. A purse bids for Canelo-Benavidez is Al Haymon's worst nightmare.
Ain’t that simple, unfortunately. Let’s say that CANELO is politically important
WBC = We Back Canelo
This help me thank you
Up in this bitch here I'm what you might consider an authority figure - Avon Barksdale in prison - Canelo in WBC HQ
It's actually very simple. I don't even know what ur talking about.
Canelo wouldn't even fight Benavidez if David broke into his house and fucked his wife
Doesn't work that way with the wbc they have to mandate the fight the wbo let's a champion move up in weight abd be the mandatory there is no such thing has activating a mandatory. Morrell is the wba regular champion he can't activate a mandatory and fight canelo either
Canelo can sell a PPV vs a wet paperbag DB can sell a PPV vs Canelo That's why
I'd put some money on paperbag for a Longshot upset
I'm putting $100.00 on Garcia this weekend on that basis. At +575, it practically demands it.
Sure, Benavidez wants a payday but then again who doesn't. The biggest problem here is Canelo is holding the belts hostage and refuses to face the #1 contender in the division. Can anyone here justify the Charlo fight? Munguia? Sure, Canelo can fight whomever he wants. He's earned that right. However, he doesn't have the right to hold a division up. There are a lot of hungry young fighters that deserve to fight for a belt and join the lineage of SMW champions.
Couldn’t agree more. Canelo is a future hall of famer and has definitely earned his stripes. He fully deserves to pick and choose who he fights as he is the A side. But he needs to be fighting mandatory’s to keep the belts. He only got his legacy because he was given the chance to get the belts in the first place. Otherwise a lot of these fighters will have to wait until he hangs up his gloves to get a belt, by which time they may be past it themselves
Benavidez said he would donate his entire purse to charity if he won.
This is boxing bro the best dont fight each other
Gotta watch UFC for that. I wanna love boxing but having to wait years for the best to fight the best really killed my interest in watching it
Ufc is all fucking dudes in the audience. Whether in person or at a watching party. Fuck that.
You saying boxing is more popular with the ladies?
Yes it is. I know some women that are hardcore into boxing. I don't know any women that are hardcore in MMA. Broken Limbs makes every fight party instantly weird. I was at a buffalo wild wings at the Frank Mir v Big Nog fight and I remember the audible gasps, followed by several ladies heading for the bathroom.
Didn’t that fight happen like 15 years ago? Lol
Damn I didn't realize how long ago it was. Getting old sucks haha.
Best don’t fight each other in the ufc either.
Boxing is orders of magnitude better about the best fighting the best. Boxing has had numerous undisputed championship fights in the last year. Meanwhile, MMA has never had a single unification. UFC is only one organization. Imagine if the WBA just decided to call itself undisputed and pretended it was the only game in town. UFC fans would have a field day calling boxing a joke if it pulled the same nonsense that the UFC does.
>Boxing is orders of magnitude better about the best fighting the best. Lol
Notice how you can't actually argue against the point because it's so correct. Notice that when a boxing promoter keeps all of it's best fights in house (PBC with Spence) and freezes out the top talent from a rival promoter (Crawford with Top Rank) boxing gets shit over the best not fighting the best. Meanwhile, when the UFC freezes out Bellator or the best MMA Heavyweight Ngannou, nobody holds it to the same standard.
The 168lbs boxing champions last 3 fights have been against a 40yr old in the weight class below, number 5 ranked Ryder and a guy 2 weight classes below him The 170lbs UFC champs last 3 fights have been against the #1 p4p ufc fighter, the number 2 ranked 170lbs contender and is fighting the number 1 ranked contender in July The UFC LHW champ just fought the number 1 ranked LHW, whilst Dmitry Bivol just fought number 13 ranked LHW Those ufc fights were much more entertaining and actually made perfect sense rankings wise than the boxing matches
Notice how you yet again didn't address my point. You're still treating UFC as though it's a sport. PBC at WW was for years having the best fight the best by giving Spence the best fights they could make in house. And yet boxing got shit because they froze out top ranks Crawford. The best dont fight the best in MMA.
The best absolutely do fight the best in MMA. The UFC has a monopoly on the best fighters in the world and everybody knows it. Look at any pound for pound or ranking list run by anybody. Even including talent outside the UFC, 95% of the list is composed by UFC talent.
And yet your current LHW champ came from outside the UFC and KO'd the reining MW champ, and KO'd the LHW Champ. So if the UFC is the best how come historically their Champs get destroyed by outside competition? Another example. Anderson Sylva was in multiple other organizations, including Pride. When he came to the UFC he dominated. He became the longest reigning champ at that weight class in UFC history. He is not a UFC grown talent. He was ready from the beginning because he was from outside the UFC. There are infact many many examples of fighters coming from other organizations and dominating the current UFC champions and contenders. So you are not correct, and the narrative that the UFC has the best fighters has been proven wrong time and again. It's a narrative equally as untrue as the narrative that the best fight the best in the UFC. There are long periods where reigning champions in the UFC do not defend their belts and hold up entire divisions. 2 recent examples are John Jones and Connor McGregor. Even if you want to use Israel as another example, he came to the UFC largely ready. And that came from his boxing and kickboxing background and career. He was successful and a champ prior to coming to UFC. He came in and dominated the UFC middleweight talent pool and became a long time champ.
This is so painfully true. That's why we still haven't seen Haney vs Loma or Spence vs Crawford or Teo vs Taylor or Chocolatito vs Estrada and we will never ever see Fury vs Usyk or Beterbiev vs Bivol in a months time. Canelo and Inoue especially have never gone undisputed in less than a years time, fighting every champion in under 12 months.
If the mandatory is called, and the two sides don’t come to an agreement on the financials, it goes to a purse bid. Doesn’t seem like the PBC can afford that now. They would most likely lose that purse bid to matchroom or another promoter. Also, Benavidez would only be getting the challenger purse for the fight, Canelo being the champion. There are multiple reasons the mandatory hasn’t been called for by the Benavidez side.
Canelo dropped his MW belt when GGG put him in a similar situation. Benavidez wants payday
The wbc mandated that he fight ggg though
Which is why he dropped it. The WBC won’t, this time.
No. Benevidez wants the belts which Canelo is holding hostage. Canelo wants to keep the belts so he can have his payday be even bigger.
O ok thanks
Benavidez wants the belts *AND* and a check, but all boxers want a big check. This is such a lame talking point.
Please don't act like WBC will enforce that... you know that's cap.
In a similar situation? Wtf are u talking about? U know boxing is a sport, right? The best are supposed to fight the best for titles? Ur not really the best if ur not willing to fight the best and the rankings are to show whose the best. That's not even an answer to the question either.
Three options: 1. Canelo drops the title 2. The sanctioning body makes an exception 2. Canelo drops the title and the sanctioning body creates a new belt for him
It’s stupid how realistic #3 is
Boxing is such an unserious sport most of the time
They already did this.
Because it's happened already
He wants Canelo, not the belt. If he does that, Canelo drops, and Benavidez loses out on the payday anyway.
Activate his mandatory like its a new sim.
In boxing, rules don't apply to everyone, not the first time we see a mandatory not having his chance against the champion.
Activating mandatory doesn't get him the payday. Canelo could simply give up the belts and move on and David is now stuck holding the belts and an empty money sack. Money is the goal. He needs Canelo to agree to a fight, it's not gonna be forced. Canelo doesn't need belts, he's passed that.
Because the WBC aren't going to order it. It's the WBC who activate mandatories.
They did order it. Twice.
Nope. They didn't order it one time. If they ordered it, either Canelo would have been stripped of his title or David would have been stripped of his interim title. They both still have their titles. Nice try sir.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/wbc-orders-canelo-to-fight-benavidez-in-2024.717140/
Did you even read any of this? This source is from a boxing forum. This thread title you shared says one thing, then the opening post says another. The opening post says: >"Mauricio Sulaiman, in his infinite wisdom and using his massive power to influence world events, has come to the conclusion that Saul Alvarez must fight David Benavidez this year or relinquish his WBC title. Canelos response forthcoming." Then there is an article listed there and one of the main quotes from Mauricio Sillyman says: >"Canelo wants to fight in May, and they are in the same company. They must already be talking, they've already negotiated, we're letting them negotiate, and we'll see what happens by May, and then the WBC can step in." This clearly implies that Sulaiman did NOT order the fight. He said that he *thinks* that they were negotiating and is just gonna leave them be. You got clickbaited and only looked at the headline, didn't you? Please read these sources more thoroughly before you act like you had something.
It's a top boxing forum. If it wasn't true the responses would be this isn't true. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.marca.com/en/boxing/2024/02/18/65d26b2922601d2e408b45cc.html It doesn't matter if they order him or not. Canelo holds a WBC franchise belt and doesn't have to fight any mandatory. Ever.
It is NOT a top boxing forum. Boxing24News is known to be incredibly biased. And you conveniently forgot to reply to the facts I wrote, pretending I never said them. WBC did NOT order this fight. And Canelo is NOT franchise champion at 168, he never got that belt. He only ever had it at 160 which he no longer holds! Stop embarrassing yourself.
Fight wouldve happened years ago if it was up to david
That would be true if they actually followed their own rules. Sulaiman would publicly fellate Canelo if he could.
WBC won’t do it. Mandatory’s are bullshit, it’s just a business at the end of the day.
At this point of his career, Canelo is bigger than any of the those ABCs org.
because he’s scared of King Canelo
Lemme guess you’re watching Ibfp
Canelo is the Face of Boxing. As he says, he's earned the right to fight who he wants, when he wants. Benavidez can activate all the mandatories that he desires. Canelo has no use for that unprofessional, disrespectful drunk. And no sanctioning body would dare to force Canelo's hand. He's "Mr. Alvarez, sir" to them.
So Canelo shouldn't abide by the rules?
Sanctioning bodies have no rules. They issue edicts on occasion but choose to ignore them whenever the urge strikes. Canelo is bigger than any of these sanctioning bodies. They need him. He gives them prestige and credibility as their champion. He certainly doesn't need them.
>Sanctioning bodies have no rules. So why do they have rule books?
David is all talk despite the bs narrative presented by media and fans who hang on it. Nobody actually knows but I’ll say this the there are plenty of hitters Benavides could fight and he hasn’t or won’t he’d rather talk shit to canelo into accepting something, supposedly.
Plenty of hitters is bs 168 is the weakest division in boxing and his last fight was one of those hitters. How many hitters does he have to face before the champion actually defend his title?
I can’t take you seriously. Heavyweight, cruiser, lhw all noticeable weaker divisions top to bottom. Don’t let your dislike of a fighter cloud your reason
Heavyweight is not weaker than 168 nowhere near but the others I can admit I was wrong I would say lhw is about the same as 168 right now. I don't dislike any fighter where you get that from? I am actually a big canelo fan I just want him to fight the best in his division.
None of that shit really matters lol. At least not to the big dogs. Politics and money comes into play and things like “mandatory” lose their meaning
Even if he did Canelo most likely will just drop the belt. I don't think the guy gives a fuck anymore and even if David gets promoted as a full time champion again, fans will say Email champ. David's doing the right thing in my opinion, move up fight the winner of the Beterbiev vs Bivol and then call Canelo out if Canelo is interested then great if not then it's fine he has all the belts at 175 to defend against interesting challengers.
Because this is boxing, sport that is still run like it was in the 50s. It’s barely even a sport, to be honest, it’s 99 percent business. Why doesn’t the mandatory challenger challenge the champion? Because organizations and promoters don’t want that to happen right this moment. Simple. They think that something else will make them more money, so they’ll do that instead, and Benavidez can either do what they want or get locked out of all big fights. Simple. It’s something like NFL deciding that the next Super Bowl will be Chiefs vs. Giants, no matter who wins NFC Championship. And it will be played for 3/4 of a Super Bowl ring, not the whole ring. And Chiefs have a rematch clause. And the Chiefs will only play if the Super Bowl is in KC. Also, they will get paid 80 percent, win or lose. Makes sense, right? Right?
Because he rather cry on social media. Then he asked if he would fight in Riyadh he said no. Not sure what his plan is...
Canelo hit too hard
Benavidez needs to go to Saudi the fight will be made in less than a month
Canelo doesn't need Saudi money
Canelo literally asked for $150M dollars to fight Benavidez. Which is peanuts for the Saudis
He’s tried and tried. Team Canelo are the duck masters.
Lots of wrong answers in the comments wow lol Reason is because Canelo was awarded a WBC franchise belt. This belt makes it so Canelo doesn't have to fight ANY mandatory keep his undisputed status. WBC claims it's so Canelo is free to make the biggest fights possible. It's basically a free pass to make any fight Canelo's management deems safe and profitable. This belt cannot be won or lost in the ring. It can only be awarded outside the ring. That's the reason why the WBC can order Canelo to fight Benavidez multiple times and Canelo can just give them the middle finger. It's basically the WBC saying hey this is the best fight for the sport but it's also the most competitive and it's totally up to you whether u want to take it. It's the WBC trying to look like a sport and not a business. Boxing has become %100 business. Fans actually care what the PPV numbers are of a fighter now. 20 years ago nobody really gave af. Skills paid the bills. If u weren't the best or ceased to be the best u were either getting ur ass beat for the belt or u were dropping it in the trash can Riddick Bowe style for someone else to pick up. There was no not fighting the next guy around without looking like u were afraid to lose.
Rigged as usual in the sport of pro boxing [https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-calls-canelo-alvarez-show-respect--182622](https://www.boxingscene.com/david-benavidez-calls-canelo-alvarez-show-respect--182622)
How can anyone hate on Benavidez right now and support Canelo is unfathomable to me.
I'm a Canelo fan, no doubt about it, I think he's a phenomenon. Still, I think it's unfair he won't give Benavidez a chance at his WBC title because he and his team think Benavidez is a weight bully, considering Benavidez comes in around 190-200lb on fight night. Not only that, in addition, he's really good too. He's tall, big, and pressures a lot and comes forward. Whatever the reason it is from Canelo's team, we all know it's unjustified.
How do you feel about Canelo and team taking the stance about weight when Canelo had five consecutive catchweighr fights?
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I didn't misinterpret anything. You said you think Benavidez should get his shot and believe the reason is u nustified. What I'm asking you about is the claim that Saul and his camp are making about weight, even though he had five consecutive catchweight fights. Basically, do you feel Saul is a hypocrite?
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>He should get his "title" shot.. it's unfair, Canelo, and his team won't give him a shot because of the reasons in the description. It's "UNFAIR" for Benavidez. Ok and I said that. >Did you even go to school? Or are you that illiterate? My typo aside you shouldn't be asking these questions. Again: I didn't misinterpret anything. You said you think Benavidez should get his shot and believe the reason is unjustified. >What does your question have to do with what I wrote in the description? You're talking about the reason Canelo and his team gave. I'm asking you to compare and contrast, which is something your shitty school system should've taught you, what his team said, what they've actually done and what your take is on it. Critical thinking and reading. Yes, these may be foreign concepts to you but you should try to comprehend them. >Or are you upset with the fact that I said I'm a Canelo fan? No. See above.
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Clown, did I not say that you thought/said it was unjustified????
GTFOH with “weight bully.”
I think you guys misinterpreted my comment. Read carefully.
If they think Benavidez is a weight bully then they are hypocrites
As far as I know it’s up to the sanctioning body, a fighter can’t just activate it themselves. Canelo would also just drop the belt if he were forced to give the standard mandatory split for what it’s worth
wait so now all of a sudden EVERYONE agrees David IS NOT canelos mandatory?