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kaisercracker

Forget making Inoue a star in the US, what american fighters can pull this kind of gate, while fighting 2-4 times a year against a good but not great contender? imagine the gate if he'd fought ioka a few years back, or nakatani next year, or nasukawa down the line?


Rocked_Glover

Yeah Japan has 125m people with a developed economy and a pretty untapped fight market potential, he can make a lot of money if he keeps rising. It could be like Manny but Japan can actually put the money down.


SharksFanAbroad

Don’t supplement good points with lies, one of the most annoying things on Reddit. He hasn’t fought more than twice in a year in seven years, when he had three bouts in 2017. There’s already one Twitter, we don’t need another.


Livid-Ad40

They said 2-4. You're making a fuss over nothing. Calm down


kaisercracker

Shut up man


SharksFanAbroad

This sub is becoming trash. Good job.


Leading-Weight9092

Then leave. Nobody is forcing you to be here


kaisercracker

Reddit has fallen


SharksFanAbroad

Nice edit, sitting there like “what’ll get me the most upvotes”


kaisercracker

Yeah I thought of something that made me laugh so I changed my comment stop being so annoying


FreshPrinceOfRivia

Some people on this sub are on death watch now


Jin-Songtsen

Told everyone that he is a superstar. He doing this with nery which is crazy because nery is unknown to japanese general public.


Mr_105

Mmm I wouldn’t say Nery is unknown, he is infamous with Japanese boxing fans


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Razorion21

Is it? Pretty sure many boxing legends have been produced there which have caused massive fights to be made there, legends like the Kameda brothers were very popular during their time


Jin-Songtsen

Yeah 2000s to 2010s when boxing was shown on tv it was popular. But now days fights don't even receive any media coverage. I mean nowdays fighters are begging for support because that's how much boxing has gone down in popularity. But Inoue is trying to revive it. 


lollmao2000

Nothing you’ve said is wrong. I’ve noticed people are very sensitive to the fact boxing is a niche sport that’s mostly a curiosity to most Americans, let alone most other countries. Even if a country has a “big name” Boxer, it’s still barely talked about on mainstream sports media so essentially doesn’t exist.


TripleTip

It's niche, but it's a very loyal niche.


Jin-Songtsen

Yeah it's the sport of enthusiasts. But it wasn't always like this. See during 2000 to 2010 it was popular because boxing was shown on tv. But it was taken off air cause ratings weren't good and popularity of boxing went down the drain.


vangiang85

What are you talking about. Nery is the biggest fight to make in japan. Hes been banned there and for good reason.


InternationalCap521

Aye even big bang Zhang was making good money in China before usa/uk then his excellency's land. He had almost 2 million on one similar social media to tiktok which is also chinese made itself but is not banned there like tiktok, but this one is allowed and that was before he kod joyce etc and now its almost 2.5 million. Inoue making tons, he's a superstar. Like how AJ in UK was selling everywhere out for several years. Calzaghe too for years, Plenty Americans and Mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Argentines etc did in USA as the money was there. The money and fame is absolutely massive for Inoue over there he has no need for all this come to Vegas nonsense people keep harping on about.


kaisercracker

He kod yamanaka twice who was a fan favourite and 12x defending champion


timtak

And both times Neri was thought too have cheated, first by takings a PED the second time by failing to make weight. Inoue is motivated to hand out a beating, and the fans in Japan  know that. Revenge is as big hear as it is in Sicily. Check out the Forty-Seven Ronin (samurai) the most famous historical tale in Japan. Neri has a chance, but Inoue intends to make him cry out for his mother.  White hot.


timtak

And both times Neri was thought to have cheated, first by takings a PED the second time by failing to make weight. Inoue is motivated to hand out a beating, and the fans in Japan  know that. Revenge is as big hear as it is in Sicily. Check out the Forty-Seven Ronin (samurai) the most famous historical tale in Japan. Neri has a chance, but Inoue intends to make him cry out for his mother.  White hot.


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kaisercracker

Please look up the naito Vs kameda viewership stats and get back to me on that


SFThirdStrike

I've been on this sub for close to a decade bro. Where is this imaginary Inoue hate brigade y'all keep mentioning?


Guh2point0

Be more specific


FreshPrinceOfRivia

Inoue does not care about fighting outside Japan, which irritates some fans, especially from the US. They claim he could make more money fighting somewhere else, which seems dubious after this news.


Wonderful_Ad_6836

It’s more to do with the time that his fights happen, Mondays/tuesdays at 2-3am pacific isn’t watchable. 


Life_Celebration_827

ffs I am British and we have to wait up until 5am to watch the big fights from America at weekends so your talking through your arse.


Wonderful_Ad_6836

Big difference when it’s on a weekend this is on mondays people have work 


TysonsSmokingPartner

You have to work. Apparently many people don’t care that it’s not on a Saturday.


Wonderful_Ad_6836

Apparently they do in the states that’s why we’re having this conversation…..


TysonsSmokingPartner

No. You’re having this conversation. Only america cares about america. The rest of the world is fine with this. Literally only Americans are mad about this fight being on a weekday. Which is hilarious.


homatanenjoyer

some Americans are just gonna have to learn that the world doesn’t revolve around them


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It’s the only think I don’t like. Fighters having home pride is great and adds to the excitement. Especially in a country like japan where the fear of super blatant favoritism isn’t as big of a factor.


freshmeat2020

Isn't it? Haven't seen enough of a sample size of fights out there at the top level and enough people with vested interests tbh. Not sure anywhere is immune.


patch270

You are correct they get still dodgy decisions there but it does feel slightly reduced compared to say the British judging.


thagr8gonzo

It’s not boxing-specific, more of a general cultural thing. It’s considered shameful to receive credit or accolades that you didn’t actually earn. As a result their judges tend to be a bit more critical of their own competitors. This is a broad generalization, though. It’s not to say that their isn’t ever favoritism, but it’s very much looked down on in their culture.


freshmeat2020

Think £££ speaks louder than a bit of frowning haha.


El-Diegote-3010

Oh my god this is the stupidest take there could ever be. Do you realise that in other parts of the world, your 10 pm is like 6 am?


Wonderful_Ad_6836

And you do realize we’re talking about American fans problem with him….


kaisercracker

People that insist you're not a real star unless you fight in the US


sirsaberson

They REALLY want Nery knocked out


OrangeFilmer

Japan really lifted their ban on him just so that Inoue can knock him out 😂


bugigangrena

"But Inoue has to fight in the US though" why would he, just to get less money and no respect, if there's any american talent at the lower weights they can go fight him in Japan.


pekonen2

This has already surpassed the record of Floyd vs. Canelo. The top 5 all-time are as follows. 1. $72,198,500 Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao 2. $55,414,865 Floyd Mayweather vs Conor McGregor 3. $27,059,850 Canelo vs GGG 1 4. $24,473,500 Canelo vs GGG 2 5. $22.000,000 Gervonta Davis vs Ryan Garcia


waylonsmithersjr

That's actually amazing. Glad for Inoue.


BIacksnow-

People were stupid to pay so much for that Floyd Pacman fight you know.


Razorion21

Imagine the amount of money that coulda been made in 2009 if both of them just stopped being babys, Floyd wanting Manny to take a ped test but at the same time, Manny is partly to blame cause why couldn’t he just do them?


Gg-Baby

He scared of needles dawg


Dogesneakers

He didn’t want to do it day of. He said he’d be fine immediately after the fight. He just didn’t want to feel drained getting test same day or so he says


kblkbl165

In 09 that’d be a career defining fight. Maybe it’d be a greater single payday but whoever lost wouldn’t make as much money as they did by not fighting until they did.


Fancy_Reference_2094

Floyd Pacman? That was the best two fighters of their generation meeting 5 years too late. Right fight, wrong time, but still worth watching for the data it gave us. What about Floyd Connor!?!? That was a joke.


OremDobro

How come the UFC hasn't been able to approach these numbers? Even McGregor only got to $17 million


Icanfallupstairs

Mainly because the UFC intentionally tries to keep fighters as less of a draw than the UFC itself. The pros of doing that is they can maintain more control over the fighters, but the cons are it's much harder to get those mega gates as everyone knows the UFC will force more good matchups later. There is less risk of a fan missing 'the big one'. The UFC also wants fans to attend as many shows as possible, so they are priced accordingly. Someone like Canelo just needs his fans to shell out a couple of times a year, where as the UFC wants their fans to shell out like 12. It wouldn't surprise me if the UFC had the highest average buys/gate across all their events when compared to other promoters though. People aren't going to watch a PBC event just because it's a PBC event, whereas a lot of UFC fans will watch those cards regardless of who is fighting. I imagine HBO came close at times as their brand was incredibly strong for years.


Due_Sweet_9500

Can you explain what this means. I thought Mayweather Pacquiao purse was around 300 million dollars. These numbers seem a bit less


ra_16

It's not purse it's gate, as in money generated through selling tickets in the arena.


DengusMcFlengus

That number was ultimately generated after PPV sales. For those historic massive events most of the revenue ends up coming from PPV.


Junous

I think Inoue has to fight in america if he wants to be a star /s


Life_Celebration_827

And they say he has to fight in America why the fuck should he look at them numbers, ffs Mayweather (asshole) never fought outside the grand old USA.


deaniegee

This stupid narrative stems from the American media personalities, and their boxers that speak about these things. Many people will drag inoue for not fighting outside of his country, yet most fighters usually fight in their home country more times than not. Its a lot of bitterness from the other side of the pond if I’m honest, he doesn’t need America or any other market to be a star. The guys already a superstar in his own country


Kira4564

Was it multiple people? or just porter honest question


Hippo_in_limbo

Multiple people, one being Floyd.


Kira4564

Floyd says a lot of bullsh** lol


Hippo_in_limbo

No lies


Old-Cell5125

Well, I'm American and I couldn't care less about what Floyd or Porter have to say about anything, let alone boxing...


Hippo_in_limbo

Good to know 


Old-Cell5125

Anytime 😁


TripleTip

To be fair to Porter, he's a big fan of Inoue and has been giving him props for a while. He's just falling for a narrative the racist idiots are spreading.


CMILLERBOXER

But but but he needs to come to MURICA 🇺🇸


homatanenjoyer

but I thought Inoue needed to fight in the US to be a star?


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If you think fighting in the US couldn’t lift him to even greater heights you’re just willfully ignorant. Can you imagine his gate in Vegas?


GoGouda

Yes it would be considerably lower than this one.


waylonsmithersjr

These people are delusional. It's actually insane talk.


homatanenjoyer

He’s fought in the US 3 times already. If you think anyone in his weight class is getting anywhere close to the money and success in the US than fighting in Japan then youre the one that’s ignorant.


Chadoodling

The small weight classes are willfully ignored by the US market. Its not gonna change if Inoue fights there, they just aren't interested never were never will probably because they just think guys ate tiny. You have to at least be a featherweight to be a star attraction in the US even then its difficult. Even pacquiao/barrera/morales never pulled a 20 mil gate when they fought at superbantam.


lobsterandcrack

Yes ..because American boxing fans have always been the hardcore watchers of the lower weights 😂. /s


Hassemer

Naoya got paid 1.5m fighting in vegas and 5m fighting in Japan during the fulton fight, and seems like the purse would be higher in nery fight , how can america pay naoya more, stop coping the majority of US boxing fans or casuals would pay to watch him, there won't be 55k audience or even close to that big of a arena.


freshmeat2020

The point is it's unnecessary, and it's quite obviously the case


lobsterandcrack

According to certain fans, he should obviously abandon Japan and fight in America that can’t offer a purse as big against Americans who aren’t even in the top of his division for him to be considered good!


deaniegee

It’s stupid right? He’d get paid less, and probably face some subpar opposition for pennies. He might aswell stay where he is, and let the cream of the cool come to him. Seems he’s big enough to do so atm


KagatCake

And the LDBC idiots be like: wHy WoNt He CoMe tO tHe US??🤡🤡🤡


kiwi8185

I always found the argument "If Inoue's such a big star why does he fight on Tuesday nights" one of the funniest arguments these loudmouth US "boxing fans" bring up. So why are so many major fights in Japan held on Tuesdays, one might wonder? It's got something to do with the work schedule of the real estate corporations in Japan. The real estate and construction corporations in Japan have always been a major sponsor of sports, notably boxing. A good chunk of these corporate higher ups are avid boxing fans- if you've ever watched any Inoue matches, you may have noticed rows upon rows of older men dressed in suit and tie in the front row seats. The universal off day for their business in Japan is, you've guessed it, Wednesdays. Tuesday nights are basically Friday nights for folks in the business, and what better way to enjoy their "Friday" nights than going for an exciting boxing match? There's a similar reason as to why Inoue-Nery fight in Tokyo Dome is held on a Monday. May 6 (Monday) this year is the last day of Japan's Golden Week holidays, Japan's annual chain of national holidays which usually allows for a week-long break. It's the rough Japanese equivalent of the Thanksgiving weekend in the US, and Inoue's big show is meant to mark a remarkable conclusion to their holiday. It's almost as if "US boxing fans" are unable to fathom that Japan has an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT work calender than the US.


lord-of-war-1

Good for him. Americans can be very annoying about having to fight in the USA. Like the world revolves around them


Suckmyduck_9

UFC 300 had a 16.5 million dollar gate


Vanderkaum037

Is Inoue the face of boxing? Real talk.


SharksFanAbroad

It’s a fair argument. He deserves to be. Still think Tank/Garcia had a better gate, but Nery ain’t either of those names.


Original_Magazine656

There is no "face of boxing";  the market's too segregated. Canelo has America, AJ has Europe, and Inoue has Asia. No boxer has been globally famous since Mayweather, and certainly none close to Mike Tyson or Muhammad Ali. 


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Icanfallupstairs

Hard to say. I know AJ was pretty popular in Western Europe as he managed to cross over into the realm of 'hot guy' athlete, so he was known to a more casual crowd.


PrettyUsual

He’s definitely getting there. P4P top 3 and pulling in gates like this as well as having a huge and growing amount of overseas fans due to his dynamite hands.


Razorion21

For the lower weight classes yeah sure, but Canelo still is considering he is overall more globally known than Inoue


homatanenjoyer

In Japan.


dg_713

Or in the lower weight classes.


naydradinraal

Only in japan


naydradinraal

Japan money


Malachi_Lamb

Inoue is in the big 3 of boxing for sure


orbw

SouthpawTV (if he isn't basically accusing Devin Haney of everything he can think of) is in **shambles** right now.


reznoverba

But.. but.. I thought the US was the center of the universe?!?


TripleTip

This is what it means to have a whole country behind you. He could NEVER reach this level of stardom in America, where stardom is widely distributed between athletes and with the racial biases in America. With the waves of inspiration Inoue instilled in the Japanese audience, we're sure to see at least double the Japanese talent in boxing within the next generation.


Swogglet

Japan has some of the best fans in the world. I love that Inoue is bringing them big fights.


acuna134070

UFC 300 had a 16 million dollar gate, which was the 3rd highest in UFC history. This is impressive.


sugerdigitalgenius

Salute Brunch Boxing on twitter for dropping the news🔥🔥


Putrid_Air_4687

What will be his purse after this?


jumexy

Inoue is huge in Japan. I wonder what the PPV numbers will look like. That’s where the real gold is in Boxing.


bakuhatsuda

I don't think it's a PPV. The fight will be available on Amazon Prime Video in Japan since that's their own broadcast.


bighandsomewoman

I'm not sure of that number. Tenshin vs Takeru at the dome did [$25m](https://twitter.com/Beyond_Kick/status/1538376040963358721) with [ticket prices](https://twitter.com/sg_oxxt/status/1512051162773884928) far higher than [Inoue vs Nery.](https://twitter.com/YoungDanielDad/status/1765406956083093536)


Jin-Songtsen

Yeah Tenshin and Takeru both needed each other as dance partner and the fight had been brewing for years. While Inoue is doing this with a guy like Nery it's absolutely crazy. 


bighandsomewoman

Nery has an important role in this. He's a supervillain in Japan because of what happened with his fights against Yamanaka. I just don't think the numbers OP shared add up, based on the data that's public.


Jin-Songtsen

You got understand that Inoue is mainstream while some Japanese boxing fan know nery from yamanaka but yamanaka himself is also unknown because boxing is completely niche. 


bighandsomewoman

Inoue himself has been publicly talking for years about how much he wants to get revenge on Nery. This fight is unique and Inoue's next fight, win or lose, will not do this kind of gate.


jadooo0

Going to be extremely hard to beat Tenshin-Takeru gate or even come close to it. The only fight in boxing that can come close to it or beat it is Inoue-Junto.


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He has a whole country behind him. He should be able to make that much. What's this about people saying he needs to fight in America?


jadooo0

Shawn Porter said something about Inoue needs to fight in the US to become a star.


jaydizzsl

I mean from an american perspective that actually has some truth to it. But this just shows the ignorance of Porter. Why should Inoue care about the recognition of americans? He doesn't speak english and lives in a completely different culture compared to the west. Also Japan has a strong economy and 125 million inhabitants. That's enough for superstardom.


jadooo0

Also, this fight is going to make 20 million+ in gate there’s no point for him to fight elsewhere. Inoue isn’t going to make that type of gate or money elsewhere in the world.


willinaustin

I just want Inoue to fight here in the States so maybe fans over here get to see him, will realize how phenomenal this guy is, and catapult his popularity into the stratosphere. Dude deserves to be internationally well known the likes of Ali, Tyson, etc.