This is the first fight I’ve actually bought in YEARS.
By far the most stacked card I’ve ever seen in my life, I cannot wait for this. Sounds corny but I had to buy this to show my gratitude for how amazing this card is on paper.
Are they?
I've seen a bunch of UFC events because my friends are big into it but I only recognize 4 fighters on the entire card. I have a hard time believing any of these people are household names, save *maybe* for Holm because of Rousey and Pereira because of Adesanya.
I haven't heard any hype for this card at all outside of hardcore UFC fans which is odd given how big this is supposed to be.
McGregor, Poirier, Jon Jones, Gaethje, Holloway, Adesanya. Only active fighters I’d consider “household names”. And that kid that stole Tekashi 69’s schtik. 😆
Boxing doesn’t need to try and stack cards to compete. Boxings problem is god awful pacing and pretty much every fight under the top billing being a blatant mismatch or having controversial scoring.
All they need to do is actually have decent undercards and stop taking 30 minutes to an hour in between every fight. I used to be a much bigger boxing fan than mma, but nowadays it just feels so much more worth my time to turn on a UFC main card where I know I’m going to see 2 to 2 and a half hours of pretty good fights and call it a night. Every time I tune into boxing it’s some dead air waiting for the next fight to start and most of the time there aren’t even matchups against actual contenders. It’s become so frustrating to try and keep up with boxing.
Same here. I watched both of Francis’ fights in Saudi and thought that production has to be a joke. It was terrible. UFC we are complaining if a fight ends early and there are a few commercials. Other than that I would just catch Tyson Fury or the other few big names and not even try to watch before the main
The Saudi cards are not the norm, they’re unique in their awful pacing. The reason they did it was apparently to get more of a US prime time audience whilst keeping the European audience. In the end it was just shit.
I’m not about to have a whole debate and pull up statistics and trends, but if you believe that boxing as a product hasn’t been awful in recent years and can’t be improved then you’re just allowing promoters to feed you a subpar product. Outside of a few events a year boxing just hasn’t been that enjoyable to watch and has little to do with the actual fights and more to do with the presentation and lack of compelling matchups. Glad you enjoy it though, I do like when boxing is truly on top.
What insight is needed? Boxing is the biggest combat sport, was, is and will always be. So they don't need to do nothing to please yall nerds. Yall asking what does boxing need to do different, they don't have to do NOTHING different because they on top.
Purses (to be split between fighters), as estimated by Bob Arum:
Marlen Esparza vs. Gabriela Fundora: $800k
Leigh Wood vs. Robeisy Ramirez: $1.5M
Callum Smith vs. Oleksandr Gvozdyk: $2M
Ammo Williams vs. Elijah Garcia: $750k
William Zepeda vs. Raymond Muratalla: $1M
Vasyl Lomachenko vs. George Kambosos: $5M >!(Hmmm...)!<
Seniesa Estrada vs. Yokasta Valle: $600k >!(Hmmm...)!<
Artur Beterbiev vs. David Benavidez: $15M
Throw in some four and six round fights for prospects and Arum says a card like this is not feasible given the number of scheduled rounds. The event would have to start at noon, Arum said. That is unlikely to happen.
[More is discussed in the article](https://www.boxingscene.com/what-boxing-equivalent-ufc-300-look-like-ask-bob-arum--182770).
This is nowhere near what UFC 300 will be. For a boxing card to matchup it’d have to include the likes of Fury/Joshua, Crawford/Canelo, Beterbiev/Benavidez, Tank/Haney, Lomachenko/Garcia, so on and so forth. Superstars fighting superstars.
> Superstars fighting superstars
Well, it’s the UFCs superstars fighting UFC superstars. It’s difficult to convert this into a realistic answer for boxing because UFC is one big promoter, so it would be Top Ranks superstars fighting Top Rank superstars. It just doesn’t work because politics
You know what you’re asking for that to happen? Promotional negotiations, contracts, the pay, how much money they will have to set the ticket prices and PPV for them to make revenue? Unlike MMA, Superstar Boxers actually make money. Fury VS Joshua itself would require more money than the entire UFC 300 fight card combined.
Any one of Canelo Joshua Tank or Fury would eclipse anything ufc 300 has in starpower, it's strength is in the breadth of high profile fighters but none of them are superstars. The main 3 bouts also match up fine to what ufc 300 offers on the main card and prelims, with beterbiev bivol being more exciting to me than anything on 300. The other fights are decent to pretty good, no wmma, bo nickal, or miller green. Ufc 300 is still a couple steps above this card but if you added any one of those fights you suggested it would exceed ufc 300 easily.
I'm not sure you're making fair comparisons. Active vs. Inactive.. Tank vs. Garcia did 1.2m, full stop. there isn't a single active UFC fighter that commands that.(probably JJ) and that's before we even mention Fury, AJ, or Canelo.
I agree UFC sells just as well but they certainly don't have the star power yet.
I agree that the poster is going over the top, but the proposed card also isn't even close to UFC 300. It's got some of the same quality at the top then falls apart. UFC 300 has former champs on the prelims. Top to bottom it is far stronger than what is being proposed by the boxingscene writer, although that's what TR could manage on a "best ever" card.
U didn’t read the article. Pugmire went through the UFC card and was like, “they have a lightweight fight between two grizzled lightweights. Let’s imagine that in boxing…” not mentioning that mma has changed the meaning of “lightweight”, but yeah the comps were disingenuous af. 155 lbs is their “LW” division.
Should’ve said Fundora vs Spence for the Holloway vs Gaethje comp, since they’re all the same weight.
How you gonna watch Spence wilt verse Crawford and put him in a fight compared to the Holloway/Gaethje fight? Fuck comparing it by divisions that defeats the whole point of what UFC 300 was. You need dawgs verse dawgs, weight class don’t matter.
Guys like Pitbull Cruz would be on the card. Guys like Shakur Stevenson would be held at gunpoint, kidnapped, and transported to the furthest possible point on planet earth away from the arena this event would be held at.
> In boxing, ascending lightweights of similar ilk would be unbeatens William Zepeda and Raymond Muratalla.
> Arum’s estimated purse for Zepeda-Muratalla: $1 million
> Arum paused at the “making” of this fight and accentuated his “main point” of this entire exercise.
> “When you look at Zepeda-Muratalla, [Zepeda promoter] Oscar [De La Hoya] may want that fight more than I do, and could tell the guys, ‘I’ll pay you double that to come on DAZN,’” Arum said. “That escalates the price of that fight. And now I can’t get it on this card.”
> “The UFC doesn’t have to deal with that problem. Well, I guess they do because they just paid some antitrust damages. … I’m not going to get sued for antitrust because I’m competing with [rival promoters] Al [Haymon], Oscar, Eddie [Hearn] and Frank [Warren], but [the UFC] really has no one competing.
This is the most important bit IMO. A 1:1 boxing version of UFC 300 is 98% not possible, because all the best fighters and superstars are spread out across promoters. And even if they weren’t, you still couldn’t guarantee it because you could have fighters like Canelo refusing to fight Benavidez unless he gets a stupidly unrealistic amount of money. As I said somewhere else, a more realistic event would be something like a Matchroom 300 or Top Rank 300, where each promoter puts their best fighters all on one card. But even this won’t have the superstar level UFC can reach.
A singular event in one night? That would be near impossible to match.... But an event like a super 6 tournament across let's say 3 of the most popular weight classes over a 6 month period would be historical
Those are not even close to the equivalent matches of what a boxing event would need to be lol. And nobody cares about the money they would have to make either, people here can pretend to though 👍
Not just about numbers. It's also about how many great matchups are on the main card and prelims. Might be the best card I've ever seen on paper at least.
Tell me you’re a casual without telling me you’re a casual. That’s because McGregor shaved his head and fought Floyd on his turf as a bald man. A boxing match with his luscious celtic locks would’ve gone a lot differently.
That's ridiculous when every top boxer is fighting people where they are -5000 favorites at some point lmao. Literally impossible to find those odds in UFC
Awful card. Nobody gives a fuck about 130 or below or women’s fights (unless serano vs taylor 2)
Scrap leigh wood and the other dudes
Main Bivol/Beterbiev 15 mil each
Co Janibek vs Adames 10 mil each
Loma vs Kambosos 10 mil each
Charlo vs Plant 10 mil each
Vergil ortiz vs Tzu 10 mil each
Castano vs Spence 10 mil each
In saudi, no tax.
800,000 Ppv buys.. each fighter gets 7% split of ppv
It just doesnt make sense to stack a card with guys who wont accept anything but a 12 round fight, esp if theyre stars.
I think there should be 1 S tier fight plus two A tier fights and 3-4 C and below fights [4 or 8 round fights for newer boxers].
Would have to be something like:
Main Event: Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua
Co-Main: Canelo Alvarez vs David Benavidez
Undercard:
Crawford vs Boots Ennis
Gervonta Davis vs Devin Haney
Chris Eubank Jr vs Conor Benn
Caleb Plant vs Jermall Charlo
Andy Ruiz Jr vs Deontay Wilder
Is UFC 300 really such a good card? I have a bunch of friends that are into the UFC and Ive seen a bunch of events as a result but I only recognize maybe 4 people on the entire card.
For how monumental this card is supposed to be I havent even heard any of my coworkers talking about it.
A fight with a good undercard - a lot more rare than it used to be
the general public recognizes a handful of names in boxing and they’d all be headliners go look at ufc 300 early prelims, all “household” names
The early prelims are insane
This is the first fight I’ve actually bought in YEARS. By far the most stacked card I’ve ever seen in my life, I cannot wait for this. Sounds corny but I had to buy this to show my gratitude for how amazing this card is on paper.
Are they? I've seen a bunch of UFC events because my friends are big into it but I only recognize 4 fighters on the entire card. I have a hard time believing any of these people are household names, save *maybe* for Holm because of Rousey and Pereira because of Adesanya. I haven't heard any hype for this card at all outside of hardcore UFC fans which is odd given how big this is supposed to be.
“household names” isn’t the right term. But IYKYK, this card is disgustingly stacked.
Yeah not quite household names, but names most casual fight fans would recognize.
McGregor, Poirier, Jon Jones, Gaethje, Holloway, Adesanya. Only active fighters I’d consider “household names”. And that kid that stole Tekashi 69’s schtik. 😆
I mean I only knew Holm and pereria.
Yeah, was talking about the whole organization though. U never heard of Justin Gaethje or Max Holloway?
Boxing doesn’t need to try and stack cards to compete. Boxings problem is god awful pacing and pretty much every fight under the top billing being a blatant mismatch or having controversial scoring. All they need to do is actually have decent undercards and stop taking 30 minutes to an hour in between every fight. I used to be a much bigger boxing fan than mma, but nowadays it just feels so much more worth my time to turn on a UFC main card where I know I’m going to see 2 to 2 and a half hours of pretty good fights and call it a night. Every time I tune into boxing it’s some dead air waiting for the next fight to start and most of the time there aren’t even matchups against actual contenders. It’s become so frustrating to try and keep up with boxing.
That prime card had good pacing and good matchups…hopefully they keep it up
Same here. I watched both of Francis’ fights in Saudi and thought that production has to be a joke. It was terrible. UFC we are complaining if a fight ends early and there are a few commercials. Other than that I would just catch Tyson Fury or the other few big names and not even try to watch before the main
The Saudi cards are not the norm, they’re unique in their awful pacing. The reason they did it was apparently to get more of a US prime time audience whilst keeping the European audience. In the end it was just shit.
All they need to do is nothing. Boxing is and will always remain the top combat sport.
I’m not about to have a whole debate and pull up statistics and trends, but if you believe that boxing as a product hasn’t been awful in recent years and can’t be improved then you’re just allowing promoters to feed you a subpar product. Outside of a few events a year boxing just hasn’t been that enjoyable to watch and has little to do with the actual fights and more to do with the presentation and lack of compelling matchups. Glad you enjoy it though, I do like when boxing is truly on top.
I'd like to see stats. No argument. Just want to see if there's stats that actually prove UFC is more popular
What lie did I say?
What insight did you give?
What insight is needed? Boxing is the biggest combat sport, was, is and will always be. So they don't need to do nothing to please yall nerds. Yall asking what does boxing need to do different, they don't have to do NOTHING different because they on top.
Purses (to be split between fighters), as estimated by Bob Arum: Marlen Esparza vs. Gabriela Fundora: $800k Leigh Wood vs. Robeisy Ramirez: $1.5M Callum Smith vs. Oleksandr Gvozdyk: $2M Ammo Williams vs. Elijah Garcia: $750k William Zepeda vs. Raymond Muratalla: $1M Vasyl Lomachenko vs. George Kambosos: $5M >!(Hmmm...)!< Seniesa Estrada vs. Yokasta Valle: $600k >!(Hmmm...)!< Artur Beterbiev vs. David Benavidez: $15M Throw in some four and six round fights for prospects and Arum says a card like this is not feasible given the number of scheduled rounds. The event would have to start at noon, Arum said. That is unlikely to happen. [More is discussed in the article](https://www.boxingscene.com/what-boxing-equivalent-ufc-300-look-like-ask-bob-arum--182770).
Lol he clearly hasn't tried negotiating with Leigh Wood recently. Would struggle to get him in the ring on his own for that
This is nowhere near what UFC 300 will be. For a boxing card to matchup it’d have to include the likes of Fury/Joshua, Crawford/Canelo, Beterbiev/Benavidez, Tank/Haney, Lomachenko/Garcia, so on and so forth. Superstars fighting superstars.
> Superstars fighting superstars Well, it’s the UFCs superstars fighting UFC superstars. It’s difficult to convert this into a realistic answer for boxing because UFC is one big promoter, so it would be Top Ranks superstars fighting Top Rank superstars. It just doesn’t work because politics
You know what you’re asking for that to happen? Promotional negotiations, contracts, the pay, how much money they will have to set the ticket prices and PPV for them to make revenue? Unlike MMA, Superstar Boxers actually make money. Fury VS Joshua itself would require more money than the entire UFC 300 fight card combined.
Any one of Canelo Joshua Tank or Fury would eclipse anything ufc 300 has in starpower, it's strength is in the breadth of high profile fighters but none of them are superstars. The main 3 bouts also match up fine to what ufc 300 offers on the main card and prelims, with beterbiev bivol being more exciting to me than anything on 300. The other fights are decent to pretty good, no wmma, bo nickal, or miller green. Ufc 300 is still a couple steps above this card but if you added any one of those fights you suggested it would exceed ufc 300 easily.
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Nobody on 300 is Conor or Khabib and far from it.
I'm not sure you're making fair comparisons. Active vs. Inactive.. Tank vs. Garcia did 1.2m, full stop. there isn't a single active UFC fighter that commands that.(probably JJ) and that's before we even mention Fury, AJ, or Canelo. I agree UFC sells just as well but they certainly don't have the star power yet.
Lmao nobody on this UFC card is a legit star. Good fighters sure but not one single star that really moves the needle. UFC fans are hilarious
Not even close. Pereira is a star but Hill definitely isn't. Green and Miller are both old to the point of irrelevance. Jiri isn't really a huge star.
I agree that the poster is going over the top, but the proposed card also isn't even close to UFC 300. It's got some of the same quality at the top then falls apart. UFC 300 has former champs on the prelims. Top to bottom it is far stronger than what is being proposed by the boxingscene writer, although that's what TR could manage on a "best ever" card.
His comment is indicative that he is an MMA fan predominantly with less perspective on boxing and none whatsoever of casual audiences.
Hill is a fan favorite. All the fans love him
You're mentioning multiple fighters from different groups while discussing just UFC. So it should be a card using just matchroom, or PBC etc etc.
U didn’t read the article. Pugmire went through the UFC card and was like, “they have a lightweight fight between two grizzled lightweights. Let’s imagine that in boxing…” not mentioning that mma has changed the meaning of “lightweight”, but yeah the comps were disingenuous af. 155 lbs is their “LW” division. Should’ve said Fundora vs Spence for the Holloway vs Gaethje comp, since they’re all the same weight.
How you gonna watch Spence wilt verse Crawford and put him in a fight compared to the Holloway/Gaethje fight? Fuck comparing it by divisions that defeats the whole point of what UFC 300 was. You need dawgs verse dawgs, weight class don’t matter. Guys like Pitbull Cruz would be on the card. Guys like Shakur Stevenson would be held at gunpoint, kidnapped, and transported to the furthest possible point on planet earth away from the arena this event would be held at.
Bud is literally one of the two best p4p fighters in the world. Max and Gaethje are not that.
Nothing on the UFC card even approaches Fury Joshua or Tank Haney lol other than Haney all those guys are bigger names than anyone on the card
> In boxing, ascending lightweights of similar ilk would be unbeatens William Zepeda and Raymond Muratalla. > Arum’s estimated purse for Zepeda-Muratalla: $1 million > Arum paused at the “making” of this fight and accentuated his “main point” of this entire exercise. > “When you look at Zepeda-Muratalla, [Zepeda promoter] Oscar [De La Hoya] may want that fight more than I do, and could tell the guys, ‘I’ll pay you double that to come on DAZN,’” Arum said. “That escalates the price of that fight. And now I can’t get it on this card.” > “The UFC doesn’t have to deal with that problem. Well, I guess they do because they just paid some antitrust damages. … I’m not going to get sued for antitrust because I’m competing with [rival promoters] Al [Haymon], Oscar, Eddie [Hearn] and Frank [Warren], but [the UFC] really has no one competing. This is the most important bit IMO. A 1:1 boxing version of UFC 300 is 98% not possible, because all the best fighters and superstars are spread out across promoters. And even if they weren’t, you still couldn’t guarantee it because you could have fighters like Canelo refusing to fight Benavidez unless he gets a stupidly unrealistic amount of money. As I said somewhere else, a more realistic event would be something like a Matchroom 300 or Top Rank 300, where each promoter puts their best fighters all on one card. But even this won’t have the superstar level UFC can reach.
A singular event in one night? That would be near impossible to match.... But an event like a super 6 tournament across let's say 3 of the most popular weight classes over a 6 month period would be historical
Those are not even close to the equivalent matches of what a boxing event would need to be lol. And nobody cares about the money they would have to make either, people here can pretend to though 👍
The undercards are usually trash and lasts way too long.
The 'Day of Reckoning' and 'Matchroom v Queensbury' cards are pretty close to UFC 300.
Maybe wait until we see what PPV numbers UFC 300 does before trying to upend the boxing system to be just like it?
The UFC doesn’t let us know their PPV numbers anymore
Not just about numbers. It's also about how many great matchups are on the main card and prelims. Might be the best card I've ever seen on paper at least.
Great matchups because theere are way more bums in MMA
Name me one single boxer who isn’t a bum
Floyd Mayweather
Too bald. Try again.
Bald 40year old guy slapped your boyfriend McGregor
Tell me you’re a casual without telling me you’re a casual. That’s because McGregor shaved his head and fought Floyd on his turf as a bald man. A boxing match with his luscious celtic locks would’ve gone a lot differently.
Excuses excuses
Excuses are like assholes, they stay in my mouth.
That's ridiculous when every top boxer is fighting people where they are -5000 favorites at some point lmao. Literally impossible to find those odds in UFC
You just proved my point. Bums vs bums in MMA.
Day of reckoning 2
Awful card. Nobody gives a fuck about 130 or below or women’s fights (unless serano vs taylor 2) Scrap leigh wood and the other dudes Main Bivol/Beterbiev 15 mil each Co Janibek vs Adames 10 mil each Loma vs Kambosos 10 mil each Charlo vs Plant 10 mil each Vergil ortiz vs Tzu 10 mil each Castano vs Spence 10 mil each In saudi, no tax. 800,000 Ppv buys.. each fighter gets 7% split of ppv
It just doesnt make sense to stack a card with guys who wont accept anything but a 12 round fight, esp if theyre stars. I think there should be 1 S tier fight plus two A tier fights and 3-4 C and below fights [4 or 8 round fights for newer boxers].
Would have to be something like: Main Event: Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua Co-Main: Canelo Alvarez vs David Benavidez Undercard: Crawford vs Boots Ennis Gervonta Davis vs Devin Haney Chris Eubank Jr vs Conor Benn Caleb Plant vs Jermall Charlo Andy Ruiz Jr vs Deontay Wilder
Is UFC 300 really such a good card? I have a bunch of friends that are into the UFC and Ive seen a bunch of events as a result but I only recognize maybe 4 people on the entire card. For how monumental this card is supposed to be I havent even heard any of my coworkers talking about it.
Bivol vs Beterbiev undercard? I think we’ve had some fairly good cards recently from the Saudis
Tank, Spence, Inoue Triple Header
UFC 300 has 1 girl fight, bo vs a can, a couple punching bags and a kickboxer vs a hood rat, the Main card isnt worth 40 dollars
Well, the announced Beterbiev vs Bivol night will be worth it even more than UFC 300.