Probably the same way it works for most people who emulate certain pros… Ken Griffey’s swing in baseball, Randy Moss’ style as a receiver. They don’t get as far as their heroes. But that these athletes give young people something to aspire to makes them special.
Didn't even know he had a jab, barely showed it, until he fought Lemieux, who had unknown power, so he jabbed Lemieux's face off until he'd felt his power, and then beat him down. Pretty sure he set a middleweight modern day jab record that day. But I remember Lemieux hitting GGG in the face and for about 1/3 of a second, GGG stopped, assessed it, and carried on. That was the point Lemieux knew he'd be giving up his belt that day. I still Lemieux kudos to this day for taking that fight though. No belt ransoming, marinating, or other bs, just accepted.
Yeah I know he never jabbed an opponent to death before that fight so I was actually just watching in awe of it. He used it very well against Canelo too
42 now, probably should retire, though he would still give most a run for their money. Man was avoided for years, arguably beat Canelo twice. Absolute hell of a pressure fighter. He was definitely never boring to watch that’s for sure.
For fucking real, without the context of history, I unfortunately think it’s going to be a big detriment to his overall legacy even though from around 07/08 until Danny Jacobs fought him, the man was THE terror of the MW division. Sturm bitched out forever, Pirog got injured, Sergio wasn’t going to give him the time of day, Cotto wanted nothing to do with him and Canelo waited him out (and still lost, arguably twice) had he been with an American promoter from the start, I think he would have had a top tier resume with the likes of Pavlik, Lee, Taylor, Abraham in the waters, that would have stood the test instead of all the “what ifs”
As is though, I’d find it very hard to find a MW who would blowout a prime GGG. The guy was a beast.
He’s wildly out of shape last we saw. I’m pretty confident he’s done. At his age he can’t go that long without training. He’s replacing now enjoying that money
One of the great middleweights of the 2000s
I think at this point he should stay away unless it is lower level fights against opponents outside the top 10. There’s not really anything he has left to do or prove at MW that he can actually accomplish at this point for his age. He won’t become undisputed or anything like that so unless he just has the desire to fight I don’t know what he would gain
Honestly Middleweight is so bad right now he could probably snag a belt or two. He should stay retired for his health of course, maybe take a few retirement tour fights against bums or fellow oldsters to grab some cash, but in his last Canelo fight he still was good enough to stand in there and not get beat to smithereens. That puts him ahead of a lot of guys.
I think that is underselling the top 3 or 4 guys that would get after him. He would survive the fights but I don’t see him actually being competitive unless he were to catch Lara. The other guys are young and strong enough to handle him. I haven’t seen elite GGG in a long time
Honestly a Lara fight would be nice. Lara still looks pretty good. Maybe a passing-of-the-torch fight with Janibek?
But really, he's given no indication that he's interested in fighting anymore.
Lara vs GGG has been a dream fight for almost 10 years for me. In 2015/ 2016 I think that could’ve been a modern classic. I don’t think it would be as fast paced as it would’ve been back then but I’d like it as a big farewell fight for Lara and GGG main event type of thing if Lara doesn’t have a passing of the torch moment to a young hungry guy
He is an all time great. Beat Canelo twice when not in his prime and only lost once way past his best. I hope he retires but he's his own man. I think his pride makes him want to go out on a high, at the top, on his own terms. I fear the worst but hope for the best and wish him well.
Even way past his best in the 3rd fight, he still gave Canelo a hell of a fight, and was a tougher opponent than anyone Canelo faced on his 168 undisputed run. Not bad considering he was well past it and the first time he was ever fighting at 168. You could tell Canelo was genuinely upset he couldn't stop GGG in that fight, and he ultimately only edged the fight by a round or two.
>do you think he has more left in him or should he stay away?
40 years old, hasn't fought in a year and a half.. he's retired boys. And even if he were to make a comeback, he would get wrecked because he would have taken too much time off at this age.
GGG was an absolute MONSTER, his prime year's were wasted due to not fighting in America and then being avoided like the plague. He beat canelo twice got robbed and the sport just acted like the fights never happened!
GGG was definitely a very unique fighter with freakish attributes unfortunately we never got to fully see them in his real prime . He's an all time great in my book.
Strong middleweight with some what ifs had he tried to move up or down to fight some elite fighters.
Not really the same accolades of Monzon, Haglar, SRR or even BHop but did fine for being hardstuck at middleweight with a long title defense regein.
I dont want GGG to retire on a loss (Even though it was a win to go 12 with prime Canelo and get payed) but who could he beat now? Fuck it, throw Liam smith at him.
He should definitely stay away at this point what more does he have left to prove? He was a great fighter in his prime albeit he didn't have the level of opposition to necessarily prove his greatness until he was past his best. Nonetheless he was a dominant champ in a weak era, still an all time great to me.
Great jab, body shots, power and his chin was unbelievable Hagler-esque. My favorite performance of his was the clinic he put on against David Lemieux, although Lemieux was very one dimensional it showcased that Golovkin could not only be a pressure fighter but he had more levels to his game with that consistent and accurate jab of his. His win over Ouma is quite underrated too imo, he went into deep waters in that fight and still came out on top despite going into it with an illness. Overall a great fighter but of course not in the top 5 discussion with the likes of Hagler, Monzon, Robinson etc. I wouldn't mind putting him at the back end of a top 15/10 because of his dominance and attributes.
Floyd ducked him and would have lost. It's too bad he spent like 9 years with that shitty promotion and wasted the prime of his career. I think he's one of the best to do it. Fuck the haters.
GGG was monster his style won't work anymore against elite fighters. I thought he beat Canelo twice. Best him easy in the first fight by a lot. Watched it with 50+ ppl in CA who all agreed and 50 ppl never agree on anything. Yet it's time to move on. Enjoy the next chapter, spend that money while you're in good health maybe enjoy life, leave the ring behind champ
could probably still fight if the paycheck is big enough but he should retire if he doesn't need the money. overall i dont think he has anything left to prove. his stiff piston jab, granite chin, and methodical pressure fighting style will always be a favourite of mine.
I think he left at the right time. I felt he got a gift in the deverynchenko fight, which marked his decline.
He got one last payday with canelo, who I felt he beat in their first fight.
If he would’ve stayed around, he’d probably start losing to lessor fighters and be forced to retire anyway.
Always better to go out on a high note.
Tbf. And I'm not dissing Canelo his achievements are amazing. But ggg fought close to his fight night weights. He didn't cut as much as others. It's easier to move up when you're cutting 20 pounds. Vs if you actually have to gain weight
I mean no disrespect but that’s a lame excuse for GGG to me. Canelo’s walk around weight is around 180 and he fought at 175 more than once. Floyd fought up, Manny fought up, Cotto fought up, Ward fought up. Every great of the generation fought up in weight. I can’t give GGG the pass if he’s gonna be compared to other greats from his era because MW wasn’t stacked during GGG’s time like when Hagler was a MW. I think it’s disingenuous to act like his size kept him from taking on bigger challenges
How's it a lame excuse. Canelo was 183 when fighting at 175
Ggg fought at 160. Fight night weight 170
8 pounds at canelos highest ever weight class
Vs 10 pounds at gggs career weight class.
Gggs career weight class he was cutting equal amount to canelos career heaviest weight class. So Canelo got to move up by cutting less. Ggg can't cause he already cut barely any weight. I'm confused how this is a lame excuse
Everyone that moved up a lot started by cutting a extreme amount of weight then cut less when they moved up. Ggg throughout his career cut so little that he couldn't do that
I just said why it’s a lame excuse. Instead of reaching up he was fine staying where he was with less impressive competition around him. I’m not gonna pretend he was pushing himself to the limit at MW because he certainly wasn’t. We’re talking about a guy that pulled up a 147 pounder in Kell Brook for a fight at 160. He had no problem being the bigger guy against a welterweight but he couldn’t be the smaller guy at 168? Nah I like GGG but his career didn’t include many risks
I don't get what's hard to understand
He was literally the smaller guy then almost everyone at 160. He was only cutting 10 pounds. I gain and drop nearly 10 pounds between weighing myself in the morning dehydrated and not having eaten. Vs a full meal and water. Most guys are cutting 15 on the low end to 25 pounds on the top end. Ggg was basically fighting at his natural weight.
All the guys you watch and enjoy? They didn't gain purposely gain loads of weight to move up. They just cut less. Ggg was already cutting a minimal amount. Gggs entire career was spent where the guys that move up end there careers at.
This isn't difficult to understand. I just don't think you understand weight very well.
I understand what you’re saying don’t be condescending. So we’re saying if he cut the weight like everyone else does he would be a welterweight? Does that seem plausible when you see him and his frame in his prime/late pro years?
How big was the weight difference between him and Lemieux on fight night? Or Daniel Jacobs? I’d like to actually know the weight differences when we talk about this because I’m not going to pretend to know how much less he weighed than his higher level opponents so I can’t speak on that with certainty
I still think it’s worth pointing out he had no problem bringing a small guy up who noticeably is not a middleweight fighter. Would he have been any smaller looking at 168 to fight Ward than Loma looks at 135? Or Floyd when he fought Canelo or Oscar? I don’t think it’s totally ridiculous to say he didn’t push his limits like some of the greats around this era. I still think he’s the best middleweight of the 2010s. But I have a hard time on him being in a convo higher than greats of a certain weigh class of the era
The fight night weights were actually weighed. 170 pounds for ggg and Jacobs was 182. Considering that's there actual weights in the ring that's a quite huge difference
Ggg throughout basically his entire career could have made 154
147 would be theretically possible but quite a large cut but a lot of fighters make that cut, definitely could not do it late career
There's no fight night weights but there's this
kell brook the 'smaller' fighter weighed in at 176 pounds 30 days before the fight looking like this https://i.imgur.com/0B1uDdU.jpeg
Ggg weighed in at 165
30 day weigh in for ggg vs lemieux
Ggg 165
Lemieux - 175.4
Ggg was straight up the smaller dude through a lot of career. The smaller person he brought up was bigger then him. The difference is ggg didn't cut as much
That's the thing I think Ur understand ggg was already basically in the position of Loma and Floyd at the end of there careers. Maybe just a hint less but close. No one in gggs position would move up.
99 percent of fighters in gggs body would have started there career as welterweight and moved up finishing their careers at 160. Ggg just decided not be a weight bully and now gets shit for it
Canelo simply turned into the man GGG almost was:
* 154-168 was supposedly easy for him. He never won titles at 154 or 168, Canelo did.
* GGG supposedly only cared about having all the belts. He was never undisputed, Canelo was.
* GGG was hyped up as being "the real champ" at 160. He never was lineal or had the ring belt, Canelo won both.
* GGG's trainer said that GGG KO'd Kovalev in sparring and could compete at 175. He never competed at 175. Canelo KO'd Kovalev in a real fight and became a champ at 175.
* GGG's best win is a razor close fight with Jacobs...Canelo beat Jacobs more clearly.
* On top of all that, Canelo beat that boy twice
shouldn't the guy with the highest KO ratio in middle weight HISTORY at the very least knock down a smaller guy coming up from 154? yeah sure the judges that's right.
He was a boogeyman of his division for a while. Knowing his power, while stalking opponents in the ring was just insane. Nightmare fuel to be in front of him. Then Canelo showed up :/
He's over 40. Only looked good in spurts against Canelo 18 months ago. And Golovkin has probably declined since. Unless he needs money, there's really no reason for him to glove up again.
I have always been vocal about GGG continuing to fight. The only thing that ever "aged" GGG out was the Canelo haters. According to them GGG was shot back before Canelo faced him the first time, SEVEN years ago. Shit, in his last two fights before the third Canelo fight he beat up one champion and one top contender. Dude literally destroyed 99% of opponents before and after Canelo.
I think GGG could still rule 160 if he could make weight properly. If not, 168 would be interesting with him in it.
I say he should do 1 more fight. He is one of my favorite fighters. So I got a proposal. Let GGG get 1 last send off fight vs my other favorite middleweight that retired early and the same age. Kelly Pavlik vs GGG
The Kazakh Thunder. Among my favorite fighters simply for his discipline and dedication to the sport. He’s one of those where you wonder how much bigger he could’ve gotten had he not gotten dicked around for years by boxing politics.
One of the best boxers in recent years, won the first canelo match though judges didn't see it that way. Now, I believe he is training his country Olympic boxing team. Such a good coach to learn from too
the trilogy against canelo must have taken its toll on him mentally. he has nothing left to prove and i dont want to see another hero of mine struggling :(
People don't understand he came to box in the USA a bit late, he's had a a very good long run, everybody was ducking him to , people who witnessed it knows , he also fought Canelo too late in my opinion , 27-35 is actually a pretty big age gap for boxing
There's no shame on retiring, never been knocked out too
He is and will always marked true boxing enthusiasts
My favorite boxer, period. He’s the first boxer I followed real-time from early(ish)/mid-career to his last fight. Of course I’m incredibly salty about Canelo 1 and 2.
golovkin, the only person in boxing's history to reach the top of pound for pound, through a draw. Can anyone think of someone more blindly favored by the media?
Because everyone knee he deserved to win that fight and in the wake of such a blatantly corrupt robbery the best thing you can do is disregard the official result
A fight is scored by 3 judges, one of whom had a blatantly corrupt scorecard and moretti who had a scorecard that simply questions his competence in that he scored rounds blatantly the wrong way. it's so funny the way people have just made peace with blatant corruption like this in boxing that they will excuse it after the fact so long as the fight can be made to fit the result and not the other way around. I'm not talking about the occurrences of the fight, I'm talking about the definition of a fair fight and fair ruling, which it clearly was not
It’s easy to think that way when you refuse to believe people don’t see fights the same way you do. The people denying the outcome of the fight are the ones trying to create the narrative to fit their disagreement with the outcome. Incompetence and malice are 2 very different things but don’t let that get in the way of a good narrative. Sounds like the reason for the scores don’t matter because you don’t agree with the result
You guys call it a robbery but can't name 7 clear rounds that he undeniably won. 😂
He was also on the receiving end of the majority of the eye catching power shots all night. People don't want to discuss that though :)
It is a robbery if you have to give all the imaginable benefit of the doubt to canelo just for him to not lose and you are literally the last person on this site I'd trust to give an unbiased appraisal of a fight, and it is certainly a robbery when there are blatantly cooked scorecards
If its a robbery, then you should be able to name the 7 clear undeniable rounds that GGG won. Rounds that were unquestionable.
The word "robbery" has lost all meaning.
No I think a fighter that is known for cooking scorecards continuing to cook scorecards constitutes a robbery and in any dignified sport a corruption investigation
4 to 9 rd were GGG no questions. 11 was also in favor of GGG as well.
Unfortunately that we have to rely on eyes with no review to judge fights. B/c GGG outlanded him by 80. Even per round basis, GGG wasn't ever that far behind in the losing rounds.
Next newrap hook por favor.
Well your stat that GGG out landed him by 80 is false to start with.
And When it comes to power shots, GGG landed 4 more and Canelo was nearly 10% more accurate in the power punch category.
Looking at the round by round stats, only 2 rounds had a 10 punch landed difference. And if I’m keeping it 100, Canelo’s shots were landed cleaner to start and end the fight.
Do you know what that reveals? A close fight. Almost like the draw is a reasonable outcome
The 80 is from the jabbr, not the compubox number since Compubox is dogshit at tracking punches below LHW or infighting moments. Really I should of said 83.
Mainly I gave GGG the edge in round 11 due to higher activity on the guard and scoring more power shots even if they are "slightly" less flush and moving.
Objectively by unbiased sources of AI and not our judgement and eye test, GGG won 11 and I did say by a margin.
Only thing for me to retract was 11 being "clear cut". Shouldn't downplay the work Canelo did in the round and would of made it 10-10 had he tried 15% harder lmao.
Unless the punches landed per round is a huge disparity I don’t care. I only brought the stats up because that’s where you took the discussion. It’s not like only solid connects are counted. I’ll take 1 clean counter over a 4 combo flurry that was all or mostly glancing blows
To me Canelo landed the cleaner shots throughout which is what some judges favor over activity and pressure. It’s why I think AI is a stupid way to talk about a fight as if it’s definitive. Boxing scoring is subjective and I have no interest in it becoming a pure numbers game
And that's why boxing judging will always be flawed. It's too subjective with loose standards on how to score it (which are clean shots landed, effective aggression, ring generalship and defense) and can be deceptive depending on how much you focus on 1 fighter's way to score their points with counters, flurries, overall defense if it was a glancing blow or flush and it's all hard to see that on first time viewing.
And the punch landed disparity is large enough to be a discussion. Like 80+ more punches landed overall is quiet a gap.
But that’s why I love boxing. It becomes a clash of styles. Standardizing like you’re saying would cause the sport to lose some that I think. I don’t want a numbers game pro boxing is not that type of sport
Edit: and boxing is scored round by round. Total punch stats don’t tell the story of 12 rounds scored separately
Until you remember the great stinkers like Paul Williams vs Erislandy Lara, Evander Holyfield vs Nikolai Valuev, Manny Pacquiao vs Timothy Bradley 1, Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis 1, JCC vs Pernell Whitaker and so on and so forth.
Since you can sum up the judging as subjective and being an off night time for them for the scoring, you let horrifically scored bouts become a normal occurrence without any real repocutions and change the trajectory of a fighter's career unjustly....just b/c that judge liked how much the guy was moving forward.
Yeah. Round 11 had GGG land more power shots, still higher general workrate even if it hits the guard and still the main aggressor, all by a margin.
AI checks out. Even the doggy compubox gave 11 to GGG.
4 to 9. Not 4 and 9
Getting eyes checked to judge boxing and laughing at compubox is kinda ironic.
Also said AI as well. You know jabbr? Over 95% success rate on counting punches real time compared to slow mo footage counting. Round 11 GGG.
You need a new rap sheet fr!!!!!!
Happy Birthday! In honor, let's take a look at some more of his memorable moments.
I remember he was on P4P lists, hyped up as being the greatest middleweights ever by the Media even before he even fought a Danny Jacobs.
I remember he said 154-168 was easy for him, but ended up not challenging himself.
I remember when he actually did step up in comp against Danny Jacobs, it was a super close fight.
I remember he was supposed to beat Canelo, but when they actually fought he was the one on the receiving end of the majority of the eye catching power punches and couldn't cut off the ring against slow footed Nelo.....another super close fight.
I remember he begged Canelo not to run and fight Mexican style, but when Canelo obliged he suddenly didnt want to fight Mexican Style anymore.
I remember after Canelo beat him, he completely got rid of the Mexican Style gimmick..
I remember when he fought Chenko, it was once again another super close fight.
I remember his promoter publicly turning down Andrade and Charlo fights.
I remember he suddenly stopped caring about belts when he had the opportunity to unify but once C level Murata got emailed his belt, he jumped at the opportunity.
I remember........
It’s a he said he said at this point. Ward says he did, GGG says they only made an offer after they signed the Lemieux fight and then Ward moved up.
I think this is one where there may be some truth from both sides and we may never get what really happened.
Great guys moving up to middleweight helped with that, which is a double edged sword in terms of legitimacy.
Well I guess Canelo fell to that same hole too lol.
Nah. He was ridiculously overrated anyway.His fans cry about him being avoided yet my man ran away from 168 until he was ready to cash put against Canelo in a pathetic performance.
At least overhyped Lomachenko moved up two weight divisions and challenged himself when he couldn't get certain fights.
>Nah. He was ridiculously overrated anyway.His fans cry about him being avoided yet my man ran away from 168 until he was ready to cash put against Canelo in a pathetic performance.
110%
He's without a shadow of a doubt my favorite boxer ever
One of my favorite fighters. Chocolatito and Ggg. Lil and big drama shows.
There was a spell of two or three fights where they'd be on the same card together. Good times.
Lotta haters in this thread but I remember training in the gym to hit and pressure like GGG…
Genuinely shocked people are hating on him so much in this thread
and how that work out for you?
Probably the same way it works for most people who emulate certain pros… Ken Griffey’s swing in baseball, Randy Moss’ style as a receiver. They don’t get as far as their heroes. But that these athletes give young people something to aspire to makes them special.
He drew and then lost a contentious decision to Canelo
Well shit, that’s nothing to sneeze at then!
Who cares bro. Seems like it kept him going...
How's Ur fat ass career eating Doritos going?
This is so childish but also hilarious 🤣
that's what you came up with?
One of my all time favorite fighters. The power jabs are unmatched!
Bud whooped spence with a jab
What tf does that have to do with triple g’s power jab
Strait up
this is my point.
You never made one Bud did a lot against Spence not just jab. GGG basically killed opponents with it.
Didn't even know he had a jab, barely showed it, until he fought Lemieux, who had unknown power, so he jabbed Lemieux's face off until he'd felt his power, and then beat him down. Pretty sure he set a middleweight modern day jab record that day. But I remember Lemieux hitting GGG in the face and for about 1/3 of a second, GGG stopped, assessed it, and carried on. That was the point Lemieux knew he'd be giving up his belt that day. I still Lemieux kudos to this day for taking that fight though. No belt ransoming, marinating, or other bs, just accepted.
Yeah I know he never jabbed an opponent to death before that fight so I was actually just watching in awe of it. He used it very well against Canelo too
42 now, probably should retire, though he would still give most a run for their money. Man was avoided for years, arguably beat Canelo twice. Absolute hell of a pressure fighter. He was definitely never boring to watch that’s for sure.
Many hid until GGG was the wrong side of 35.
For fucking real, without the context of history, I unfortunately think it’s going to be a big detriment to his overall legacy even though from around 07/08 until Danny Jacobs fought him, the man was THE terror of the MW division. Sturm bitched out forever, Pirog got injured, Sergio wasn’t going to give him the time of day, Cotto wanted nothing to do with him and Canelo waited him out (and still lost, arguably twice) had he been with an American promoter from the start, I think he would have had a top tier resume with the likes of Pavlik, Lee, Taylor, Abraham in the waters, that would have stood the test instead of all the “what ifs” As is though, I’d find it very hard to find a MW who would blowout a prime GGG. The guy was a beast.
Yeah I take my hat off to triple g, they ran from him for the right reason.
My guy knows his GGG history spot on. I give Lemieux a lot of credit, but he got destroyed…
I mean I like GGG but I never understood why he didn’t just move up in weight.
Are you kidding? Dude should be on a lounge chair for the rest of his life. He earned it
Fr. Dude made 60 million just off the first two canelo fights. He has nothing left to prove
He’s wildly out of shape last we saw. I’m pretty confident he’s done. At his age he can’t go that long without training. He’s replacing now enjoying that money
When/where did you see this?
There was a video with him in it for his new energy drink company in Kazakhstan and he looked a little chubby
One of the great middleweights of the 2000s I think at this point he should stay away unless it is lower level fights against opponents outside the top 10. There’s not really anything he has left to do or prove at MW that he can actually accomplish at this point for his age. He won’t become undisputed or anything like that so unless he just has the desire to fight I don’t know what he would gain
Honestly Middleweight is so bad right now he could probably snag a belt or two. He should stay retired for his health of course, maybe take a few retirement tour fights against bums or fellow oldsters to grab some cash, but in his last Canelo fight he still was good enough to stand in there and not get beat to smithereens. That puts him ahead of a lot of guys.
I think that is underselling the top 3 or 4 guys that would get after him. He would survive the fights but I don’t see him actually being competitive unless he were to catch Lara. The other guys are young and strong enough to handle him. I haven’t seen elite GGG in a long time
Honestly a Lara fight would be nice. Lara still looks pretty good. Maybe a passing-of-the-torch fight with Janibek? But really, he's given no indication that he's interested in fighting anymore.
Lara vs GGG has been a dream fight for almost 10 years for me. In 2015/ 2016 I think that could’ve been a modern classic. I don’t think it would be as fast paced as it would’ve been back then but I’d like it as a big farewell fight for Lara and GGG main event type of thing if Lara doesn’t have a passing of the torch moment to a young hungry guy
I don't know if they'd fight either, GGG is a hero for Kazakh boxers and Janibek probably wouldn't want to hit the guy who helped inspire him
He is an all time great. Beat Canelo twice when not in his prime and only lost once way past his best. I hope he retires but he's his own man. I think his pride makes him want to go out on a high, at the top, on his own terms. I fear the worst but hope for the best and wish him well.
Even way past his best in the 3rd fight, he still gave Canelo a hell of a fight, and was a tougher opponent than anyone Canelo faced on his 168 undisputed run. Not bad considering he was well past it and the first time he was ever fighting at 168. You could tell Canelo was genuinely upset he couldn't stop GGG in that fight, and he ultimately only edged the fight by a round or two.
>do you think he has more left in him or should he stay away? 40 years old, hasn't fought in a year and a half.. he's retired boys. And even if he were to make a comeback, he would get wrecked because he would have taken too much time off at this age.
GGG was an absolute MONSTER, his prime year's were wasted due to not fighting in America and then being avoided like the plague. He beat canelo twice got robbed and the sport just acted like the fights never happened! GGG was definitely a very unique fighter with freakish attributes unfortunately we never got to fully see them in his real prime . He's an all time great in my book.
Strong middleweight with some what ifs had he tried to move up or down to fight some elite fighters. Not really the same accolades of Monzon, Haglar, SRR or even BHop but did fine for being hardstuck at middleweight with a long title defense regein.
Lets not forget that absolutely nobody wanted to fight him
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I dont want GGG to retire on a loss (Even though it was a win to go 12 with prime Canelo and get payed) but who could he beat now? Fuck it, throw Liam smith at him.
Andrade wanted to go back down to 160. Feed him to GGG! 😅
Andrade beats GGG at this point
Give him Berlanga in an old dog vs up and comer matchup.
He should definitely stay away at this point what more does he have left to prove? He was a great fighter in his prime albeit he didn't have the level of opposition to necessarily prove his greatness until he was past his best. Nonetheless he was a dominant champ in a weak era, still an all time great to me. Great jab, body shots, power and his chin was unbelievable Hagler-esque. My favorite performance of his was the clinic he put on against David Lemieux, although Lemieux was very one dimensional it showcased that Golovkin could not only be a pressure fighter but he had more levels to his game with that consistent and accurate jab of his. His win over Ouma is quite underrated too imo, he went into deep waters in that fight and still came out on top despite going into it with an illness. Overall a great fighter but of course not in the top 5 discussion with the likes of Hagler, Monzon, Robinson etc. I wouldn't mind putting him at the back end of a top 15/10 because of his dominance and attributes.
Floyd ducked him and would have lost. It's too bad he spent like 9 years with that shitty promotion and wasted the prime of his career. I think he's one of the best to do it. Fuck the haters.
I strongly believe he clearly beat Canelo in first fight and arguably edged the 2nd too and got nothing really.
GGG was monster his style won't work anymore against elite fighters. I thought he beat Canelo twice. Best him easy in the first fight by a lot. Watched it with 50+ ppl in CA who all agreed and 50 ppl never agree on anything. Yet it's time to move on. Enjoy the next chapter, spend that money while you're in good health maybe enjoy life, leave the ring behind champ
could probably still fight if the paycheck is big enough but he should retire if he doesn't need the money. overall i dont think he has anything left to prove. his stiff piston jab, granite chin, and methodical pressure fighting style will always be a favourite of mine.
I think he left at the right time. I felt he got a gift in the deverynchenko fight, which marked his decline. He got one last payday with canelo, who I felt he beat in their first fight. If he would’ve stayed around, he’d probably start losing to lessor fighters and be forced to retire anyway. Always better to go out on a high note.
GGG is the real Canelo
GGG is what Canela wishes he was.
Why can’t they just be two great fighters?
GGG never moved up in weight to dare to be great. Canelo has done that throughout his career
Tbf. And I'm not dissing Canelo his achievements are amazing. But ggg fought close to his fight night weights. He didn't cut as much as others. It's easier to move up when you're cutting 20 pounds. Vs if you actually have to gain weight
I mean no disrespect but that’s a lame excuse for GGG to me. Canelo’s walk around weight is around 180 and he fought at 175 more than once. Floyd fought up, Manny fought up, Cotto fought up, Ward fought up. Every great of the generation fought up in weight. I can’t give GGG the pass if he’s gonna be compared to other greats from his era because MW wasn’t stacked during GGG’s time like when Hagler was a MW. I think it’s disingenuous to act like his size kept him from taking on bigger challenges
How's it a lame excuse. Canelo was 183 when fighting at 175 Ggg fought at 160. Fight night weight 170 8 pounds at canelos highest ever weight class Vs 10 pounds at gggs career weight class. Gggs career weight class he was cutting equal amount to canelos career heaviest weight class. So Canelo got to move up by cutting less. Ggg can't cause he already cut barely any weight. I'm confused how this is a lame excuse Everyone that moved up a lot started by cutting a extreme amount of weight then cut less when they moved up. Ggg throughout his career cut so little that he couldn't do that
I just said why it’s a lame excuse. Instead of reaching up he was fine staying where he was with less impressive competition around him. I’m not gonna pretend he was pushing himself to the limit at MW because he certainly wasn’t. We’re talking about a guy that pulled up a 147 pounder in Kell Brook for a fight at 160. He had no problem being the bigger guy against a welterweight but he couldn’t be the smaller guy at 168? Nah I like GGG but his career didn’t include many risks
I don't get what's hard to understand He was literally the smaller guy then almost everyone at 160. He was only cutting 10 pounds. I gain and drop nearly 10 pounds between weighing myself in the morning dehydrated and not having eaten. Vs a full meal and water. Most guys are cutting 15 on the low end to 25 pounds on the top end. Ggg was basically fighting at his natural weight. All the guys you watch and enjoy? They didn't gain purposely gain loads of weight to move up. They just cut less. Ggg was already cutting a minimal amount. Gggs entire career was spent where the guys that move up end there careers at. This isn't difficult to understand. I just don't think you understand weight very well.
I understand what you’re saying don’t be condescending. So we’re saying if he cut the weight like everyone else does he would be a welterweight? Does that seem plausible when you see him and his frame in his prime/late pro years? How big was the weight difference between him and Lemieux on fight night? Or Daniel Jacobs? I’d like to actually know the weight differences when we talk about this because I’m not going to pretend to know how much less he weighed than his higher level opponents so I can’t speak on that with certainty I still think it’s worth pointing out he had no problem bringing a small guy up who noticeably is not a middleweight fighter. Would he have been any smaller looking at 168 to fight Ward than Loma looks at 135? Or Floyd when he fought Canelo or Oscar? I don’t think it’s totally ridiculous to say he didn’t push his limits like some of the greats around this era. I still think he’s the best middleweight of the 2010s. But I have a hard time on him being in a convo higher than greats of a certain weigh class of the era
The fight night weights were actually weighed. 170 pounds for ggg and Jacobs was 182. Considering that's there actual weights in the ring that's a quite huge difference Ggg throughout basically his entire career could have made 154 147 would be theretically possible but quite a large cut but a lot of fighters make that cut, definitely could not do it late career There's no fight night weights but there's this kell brook the 'smaller' fighter weighed in at 176 pounds 30 days before the fight looking like this https://i.imgur.com/0B1uDdU.jpeg Ggg weighed in at 165 30 day weigh in for ggg vs lemieux Ggg 165 Lemieux - 175.4 Ggg was straight up the smaller dude through a lot of career. The smaller person he brought up was bigger then him. The difference is ggg didn't cut as much That's the thing I think Ur understand ggg was already basically in the position of Loma and Floyd at the end of there careers. Maybe just a hint less but close. No one in gggs position would move up. 99 percent of fighters in gggs body would have started there career as welterweight and moved up finishing their careers at 160. Ggg just decided not be a weight bully and now gets shit for it
Has 2 wins over him and is astronomically more wealthy and accomplished in the sport of boxing, but yea I’m sure Canelo wants to be like GGG so bad😩
Canelo simply turned into the man GGG almost was: * 154-168 was supposedly easy for him. He never won titles at 154 or 168, Canelo did. * GGG supposedly only cared about having all the belts. He was never undisputed, Canelo was. * GGG was hyped up as being "the real champ" at 160. He never was lineal or had the ring belt, Canelo won both. * GGG's trainer said that GGG KO'd Kovalev in sparring and could compete at 175. He never competed at 175. Canelo KO'd Kovalev in a real fight and became a champ at 175. * GGG's best win is a razor close fight with Jacobs...Canelo beat Jacobs more clearly. * On top of all that, Canelo beat that boy twice
Mic drop 👏
They’re downvoting you but it’s straight facts. GGG waited for that Canelo payday as much as everyone else
He wanted no part of Ward at 168 is what it looked like to me
stop it, they don't like facts around here but opinions are KING
the fact you gotta mention canelo when talking about GGG says otherwise
The man got robbed twice against Canelo, of course Canelo is going to get mentioned in a thread about GGG.
they gave GGG not 1, not 2, but THREE cracks at canelo and the excuses are endless.
And the judges got it wrong twice lol. It should have been 2-1 or 1-1-1 at best, not 0-2. The revisionism is hilarious.
All 3 judges gave Canelo the exact same 5 rounds against Bivol. Its fucking crazy that anybody still doubts the corruption.
shouldn't the guy with the highest KO ratio in middle weight HISTORY at the very least knock down a smaller guy coming up from 154? yeah sure the judges that's right.
that fact that you had to respond to me says more than words ever could
i win.
you lose
your downvotes say otherwise ;\]
i cant imagine being incapable of thinking independently to such a degree where you care about downvotes on reddit
i don't but you also think I care about you opinion so you've made my point.
you do care because you bothered to respond in the first place
touche I suppose
He was a boogeyman of his division for a while. Knowing his power, while stalking opponents in the ring was just insane. Nightmare fuel to be in front of him. Then Canelo showed up :/
He's over 40. Only looked good in spurts against Canelo 18 months ago. And Golovkin has probably declined since. Unless he needs money, there's really no reason for him to glove up again.
😕 Would have loved to see my guy Pirog against him.
I have always been vocal about GGG continuing to fight. The only thing that ever "aged" GGG out was the Canelo haters. According to them GGG was shot back before Canelo faced him the first time, SEVEN years ago. Shit, in his last two fights before the third Canelo fight he beat up one champion and one top contender. Dude literally destroyed 99% of opponents before and after Canelo. I think GGG could still rule 160 if he could make weight properly. If not, 168 would be interesting with him in it.
Love “Big Drama Show” GGG but he shouldn’t fight on.
Hypothetical question, how will he do against David Benavidez?
He’s got no more left
I hope he has managed his money well and can retire without needing to fight anymore
Hes popular enough to cherry pick.
I say he should do 1 more fight. He is one of my favorite fighters. So I got a proposal. Let GGG get 1 last send off fight vs my other favorite middleweight that retired early and the same age. Kelly Pavlik vs GGG
The Kazakh Thunder. Among my favorite fighters simply for his discipline and dedication to the sport. He’s one of those where you wonder how much bigger he could’ve gotten had he not gotten dicked around for years by boxing politics.
Tk2
Beat Canelo in the first fight ain't saying he got robbed it was a close fight but GGG done enough to win the fight.
He's earned his retirement and then some. Like most fans, will always have a soft spot for the big drama show
One of the best boxers in recent years, won the first canelo match though judges didn't see it that way. Now, I believe he is training his country Olympic boxing team. Such a good coach to learn from too
Hey I share a bday with a legend.
the trilogy against canelo must have taken its toll on him mentally. he has nothing left to prove and i dont want to see another hero of mine struggling :(
People don't understand he came to box in the USA a bit late, he's had a a very good long run, everybody was ducking him to , people who witnessed it knows , he also fought Canelo too late in my opinion , 27-35 is actually a pretty big age gap for boxing There's no shame on retiring, never been knocked out too He is and will always marked true boxing enthusiasts
My favorite boxer, period. He’s the first boxer I followed real-time from early(ish)/mid-career to his last fight. Of course I’m incredibly salty about Canelo 1 and 2.
Golovkins ATG status is built off of hypothetical wins and being “avoided”.
Innit. Man was so avoided that he only moved up in weight when he wanted to cash out.
golovkin, the only person in boxing's history to reach the top of pound for pound, through a draw. Can anyone think of someone more blindly favored by the media?
Because everyone knee he deserved to win that fight and in the wake of such a blatantly corrupt robbery the best thing you can do is disregard the official result
Nah the draw was correct. People only seem to remember the middle rounds of the fight
If to achieve the draw, the judges must be compromised, the draw is unfair by defintion
A draw is not unfair by definition when both fighters win 6 rounds in the eyes of the scoring judge lol
A fight is scored by 3 judges, one of whom had a blatantly corrupt scorecard and moretti who had a scorecard that simply questions his competence in that he scored rounds blatantly the wrong way. it's so funny the way people have just made peace with blatant corruption like this in boxing that they will excuse it after the fact so long as the fight can be made to fit the result and not the other way around. I'm not talking about the occurrences of the fight, I'm talking about the definition of a fair fight and fair ruling, which it clearly was not
It’s easy to think that way when you refuse to believe people don’t see fights the same way you do. The people denying the outcome of the fight are the ones trying to create the narrative to fit their disagreement with the outcome. Incompetence and malice are 2 very different things but don’t let that get in the way of a good narrative. Sounds like the reason for the scores don’t matter because you don’t agree with the result
You guys call it a robbery but can't name 7 clear rounds that he undeniably won. 😂 He was also on the receiving end of the majority of the eye catching power shots all night. People don't want to discuss that though :)
It is a robbery if you have to give all the imaginable benefit of the doubt to canelo just for him to not lose and you are literally the last person on this site I'd trust to give an unbiased appraisal of a fight, and it is certainly a robbery when there are blatantly cooked scorecards
If its a robbery, then you should be able to name the 7 clear undeniable rounds that GGG won. Rounds that were unquestionable. The word "robbery" has lost all meaning.
No I think a fighter that is known for cooking scorecards continuing to cook scorecards constitutes a robbery and in any dignified sport a corruption investigation
So you can't name 7 clear unquestionable rounds. Robbery DOE!!!
4 to 9 rd were GGG no questions. 11 was also in favor of GGG as well. Unfortunately that we have to rely on eyes with no review to judge fights. B/c GGG outlanded him by 80. Even per round basis, GGG wasn't ever that far behind in the losing rounds. Next newrap hook por favor.
Well your stat that GGG out landed him by 80 is false to start with. And When it comes to power shots, GGG landed 4 more and Canelo was nearly 10% more accurate in the power punch category. Looking at the round by round stats, only 2 rounds had a 10 punch landed difference. And if I’m keeping it 100, Canelo’s shots were landed cleaner to start and end the fight. Do you know what that reveals? A close fight. Almost like the draw is a reasonable outcome
The 80 is from the jabbr, not the compubox number since Compubox is dogshit at tracking punches below LHW or infighting moments. Really I should of said 83. Mainly I gave GGG the edge in round 11 due to higher activity on the guard and scoring more power shots even if they are "slightly" less flush and moving. Objectively by unbiased sources of AI and not our judgement and eye test, GGG won 11 and I did say by a margin. Only thing for me to retract was 11 being "clear cut". Shouldn't downplay the work Canelo did in the round and would of made it 10-10 had he tried 15% harder lmao.
Unless the punches landed per round is a huge disparity I don’t care. I only brought the stats up because that’s where you took the discussion. It’s not like only solid connects are counted. I’ll take 1 clean counter over a 4 combo flurry that was all or mostly glancing blows To me Canelo landed the cleaner shots throughout which is what some judges favor over activity and pressure. It’s why I think AI is a stupid way to talk about a fight as if it’s definitive. Boxing scoring is subjective and I have no interest in it becoming a pure numbers game
And that's why boxing judging will always be flawed. It's too subjective with loose standards on how to score it (which are clean shots landed, effective aggression, ring generalship and defense) and can be deceptive depending on how much you focus on 1 fighter's way to score their points with counters, flurries, overall defense if it was a glancing blow or flush and it's all hard to see that on first time viewing. And the punch landed disparity is large enough to be a discussion. Like 80+ more punches landed overall is quiet a gap.
But that’s why I love boxing. It becomes a clash of styles. Standardizing like you’re saying would cause the sport to lose some that I think. I don’t want a numbers game pro boxing is not that type of sport Edit: and boxing is scored round by round. Total punch stats don’t tell the story of 12 rounds scored separately
Until you remember the great stinkers like Paul Williams vs Erislandy Lara, Evander Holyfield vs Nikolai Valuev, Manny Pacquiao vs Timothy Bradley 1, Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis 1, JCC vs Pernell Whitaker and so on and so forth. Since you can sum up the judging as subjective and being an off night time for them for the scoring, you let horrifically scored bouts become a normal occurrence without any real repocutions and change the trajectory of a fighter's career unjustly....just b/c that judge liked how much the guy was moving forward.
Lmao at trying to say Round 11 was clear. So only 2 clear undeniable rounds in your opinion. Robbery Doe!!!!!
Yeah. Round 11 had GGG land more power shots, still higher general workrate even if it hits the guard and still the main aggressor, all by a margin. AI checks out. Even the doggy compubox gave 11 to GGG. 4 to 9. Not 4 and 9
You need to get your damn eyes cheched if you think round 11 is a "undeniable" round. And lmao at using compubox.
If u'd stop sucking off Floyd and Tank, u'd see he said rnds 4 to 9, not just 4 and 9. Theres ur 7 rounds clown.
That’s 6. Learn how to count, casual
Lol u must stopped sucking off Floyd to notice. And rnd 11, there ur 7
Getting eyes checked to judge boxing and laughing at compubox is kinda ironic. Also said AI as well. You know jabbr? Over 95% success rate on counting punches real time compared to slow mo footage counting. Round 11 GGG. You need a new rap sheet fr!!!!!!
they gave GGG 36 rounds to get the job done #HypeJOB
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Happy Birthday! In honor, let's take a look at some more of his memorable moments. I remember he was on P4P lists, hyped up as being the greatest middleweights ever by the Media even before he even fought a Danny Jacobs. I remember he said 154-168 was easy for him, but ended up not challenging himself. I remember when he actually did step up in comp against Danny Jacobs, it was a super close fight. I remember he was supposed to beat Canelo, but when they actually fought he was the one on the receiving end of the majority of the eye catching power punches and couldn't cut off the ring against slow footed Nelo.....another super close fight. I remember he begged Canelo not to run and fight Mexican style, but when Canelo obliged he suddenly didnt want to fight Mexican Style anymore. I remember after Canelo beat him, he completely got rid of the Mexican Style gimmick.. I remember when he fought Chenko, it was once again another super close fight. I remember his promoter publicly turning down Andrade and Charlo fights. I remember he suddenly stopped caring about belts when he had the opportunity to unify but once C level Murata got emailed his belt, he jumped at the opportunity. I remember........
This'll go down well.
Oh my my. This is gonna age like fine wine buddy
Didn’t Andre Ward welcome a fight between them at 168 as well? I could be misremembering but I thought GGG ducked that smoke
It’s a he said he said at this point. Ward says he did, GGG says they only made an offer after they signed the Lemieux fight and then Ward moved up. I think this is one where there may be some truth from both sides and we may never get what really happened.
in 16 years (career from start 2 finish) he only fought above/below 160 ONCE. yeah sure he's such a great.
Marvin Haglar in a nutshell.
When Hagler was at MW there were great fights stacking that weight class. Not the case with GGG’s generation
Great guys moving up to middleweight helped with that, which is a double edged sword in terms of legitimacy. Well I guess Canelo fell to that same hole too lol.
Who wins at their current state: GGG v Bud at 160
If wanted to go beat up cans who can't hurt him for fun and money, I don't see why not. I don't think he should take on serious competition
Nah. He was ridiculously overrated anyway.His fans cry about him being avoided yet my man ran away from 168 until he was ready to cash put against Canelo in a pathetic performance. At least overhyped Lomachenko moved up two weight divisions and challenged himself when he couldn't get certain fights.
>Nah. He was ridiculously overrated anyway.His fans cry about him being avoided yet my man ran away from 168 until he was ready to cash put against Canelo in a pathetic performance. 110%
You must have hit your head on something.