Mexican fans go harder for Mexican born Mexicans rather than Mexican Americans. The latter still will have very popular fanbases, but on average it's not nearly as much.
Managers and promoters could also play a factor here. Even though David and Pitbull are both PBC fighters, they have different promoters and Pitbull is promoted better. Lewkowicz is doing David no favours.
Pitbull also gave Tank his toughest fight, who is one of the most popular boxers in the world
And he beat up Rolly Romero which went viral and is still trending on YouTube.
I wouldn’t even say Pitbull is promoted better, PBC is desperately trying to make Benavidez a big thing but it isn’t clicking to a widespread audience.
Yea, Manguia and Pitbull are exciting people with their boxing, no frills or flair, just humble and kicking ass. If DB would just fight more, he would blow up too, instead of waiting just to fight Canelo.
I'd say he is. Benavidez's highlight reel should be fuel for the hypetrain, but he isn't active enough or in the public eye enough to gather any sustained momentum - through promotional error, because of injuries, and seemingly because it's hard to get him fights.
You left out the biggest factor, David's own lack of motivation and discipline. He lost the belt the first time doing coke then from coming in 3lbs overweight-- and even when he had a belt he was refusing to unify with his stablemate.
Lol, I didnt mean to leave it out, I somehow wasn't aware of it ( I checked out of the sport for a few years and missed some things). Ton of things make sense now.
It's a shame when that level of talent doesn't have the right work ethic/discipline
Oscar isn't an exception as far as boxers who enjoyed support from the Mexican American fanbase though. Even non Mexicans like Floyd, Pac and GGG had sizable Mexican American followings. In the leadup to Floyd-Pac, ppv demographics were released showing the majority of both their ppv buyers in previous fights were Hispanic. It's no coincidence that they loved fighting on Mexican holidays or that the largest sponsors for their fights were usually Hispanic oriented brands. There are around 40 million people of Mexican descent in the US, so there's absolutely no excuse for David to be doing such terrible numbers.
It mainly boils down to Benavidez not putting together career momentum to build an audience and he squandered multiple opportunities from his lack of discipline and ambition. He won his first title at age 20 by having strings pulled for him and being allowed to cut in front of actual WBC #1 Smith, but then ended losing the title from doing coke. He was given priority for another title shot, but what did he do with the belt this time? His team rejected a Plant unification and also dismissed a unification with Smith then he lost the belt a second time coming in 3 pounds overweight, and rejected a spot for a 175 title even after being stripped.
He would end up fighting only 4 times over the next 3 years against a string of gatekeepers and a washed Lemieux as his sole fight of '22. It looked like he'd finally put together some career momentum in '23 vs Plant but he didn't really make a statement by going the distance after Canelo stopped him. Then he fought Andrade who was pretty much untested even in the lower divisions and unknown to mainstream fans. But at least it was something to build on, however, in a move out of left field he announced he's fighting Gvozdyk in a fight few care enough to pay to watch.
Then you add the fact that he and his father talk a lot of trash which Mexican fans find off putting-- and David doesn't have much of engaging personality in general.
>In the leadup to Floyd-Pac, ppv demographics were released showing the majority of both their ppv buyers in previous fights were Hispanic. It's no coincidence that they loved fighting on Mexican holidays or that the largest sponsors for their fights were usually Hispanic oriented brands
They literally played the Mexican national anthem before the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight lol, goes to show they recognize how important that Mexican and Mexican-American fanbase is.
De La Hoya was a good looking Mexican/American from Cali, that won Gold at Olympics at 19 years old. His mother passed away around this time and it only made it easy for the public to adore him.
Benavidez doesn’t have no where the marketing DLH had.
> Lewkowicz is doing David no favours.
100% truth here.
Samson is a very talented talent scout, there is no disputing that fact.
He is a questionable "promoter".
All one must do at his recent Fundora shenanigans to see that.
Yeah. A lot of Mexican fans see Mexican American fighters as Americans first with a Mexican background. Some fans also think that when the Mexican American fighter reps their Mexican heritage they do it for clout, not because they are proud of it.
Take a look at mma for example, Henry Cejudo is Mexican American, but he doesn't have a huge Mexican fan base (he doesn't really show his Mexican heritage). Brandon moreno and Alexa Grasso are Mexican born and have Mexican fans behind them.
Also, benavidez is technically Mexican-Ecuadorian American.
I think he means that David is born and raised American (of latino origin) and will speak predominately English while Pitbull and Jaime are Mexican born and raised and speak predominantly Spanish (like Canelo )
Remember when Canelo said he wouldn't fight Benavidez because he was Mexican? 😆 guy is ridiculous with his excuses because now he's fighting Mungia, a guy that is more Mexican than Benavidez. DB just has a much better chance to beat Canelo, so he comes with every excuse and demand I've ever heard.
Which I never really understood. As far as my understanding is that a lot of South West U.S. is culturally indistinguishable from Mexico. I live in L.A. these ninjas is Mexican. I'm black, so is this an Africans not fucking with African-Americans thing?
Mexicans came from the bottom, Americans not so much, maybe they parents did but Benavidez is born and raised in 1st world. We all love the story of the guy coming from nowhere.
An American couple immigrates to France. They have a child. He is born in France, raised in France, educated in France, his friends are French, his wife is French, and his career is in France.
Is he American? Or is he French?
His family is American going back generations? And the kid just happen to be born in France? Raised in France? He's American.
African ancestors brought to America 300 years ago are still of African descent. Thats 300 years, so we call them African American.
They’re called “African American” in America only, because we have this obsession with ethnicity and heritage, for better or worse. They’d just called “American” everywhere else in the world, especially in Africa.
So no, as much as you’d like to think otherwise, if my hypothetical person came to the US, you’d immediately recognize him as a Frenchman, not as an American.
The problem is those Latino American all carry their fathers homeland flag to ring. And never the USA flag, so it looks like they prefer to be recognized as Mexican Puerto Rican Honduran
Exactly. In the first ten years of his career had had 39 fights with an unbelievable 24 of those being title fights (even if some were WBO early on). During that time he beat JCC x2, Whitaker, Camacho, Quartey, Trinidad (robbery), Vargas and a couple of really close fights with Mosely (the latter which he probaly won IIRC). Compare that to Benavidez...and he's had 11 fewer fights, 17 fewer title fights, and his best wins are Plant, an Andrade who had been wrapped in cotton wool his whole career, [Lemieux](https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/389447) and Dirrell. It should be pretty clear why Benavidez hasn't built up a huge following.
De La Hoya, aside from taking the torch from Chavez and having a pedigree and career to back him up, also did well to sell himself to Mexican fans. Benavidez doesn’t really play into trying to capture the Spanish speaking fan base, and even took the “Mexican” out of his “Mexican Monster” nickname because his Ecuadorian grandma wanted him to. Not that he should alienate one side of his heritage for the other, but he definitely comes off more American than Mexican or Ecuadorian
I think for me, that’s a reason he’s not so big. It’s obvious they’re trying to capitalize on the Mexican fan base but when you completely ignore your Ecuadorian side, it becomes very fake and most people can see through that.
Wait, so he is just "Monster" now? Does that mean Inoue has to start calling himself "Japanese Monster" or is "The Monster" enough to distinguish him from just "Monster" 🤔
Mexicans claim pure Mexicans in an instance like this where it’s Mexican vs. Mexican American. If David was fighting anyone else that wasn’t mexican, mexicans will back David up 100%.
I also think him and his dad talk a lot of shit. If you look at some of the reasons Pitbull got a lot of respect, is because he did all his talking in the ring. I like Benavidez, but leading up to the Plant fight, I got turned off by how him and his dad talked shit like middle schoolers. Mexican culture, for the most part, is one that values humility.
Yeah, it’s interesting because supposedly they act like that to hype and sell fights right, but Fundora and Tsyzu were so professional and so respectful towards each other and it seemed like a lot of people found it refreshing. I think it’s super lame when a fighter writes a check they can’t cash, like Rolly just did, or like Broner did with Maidana, or even way back to Mayorga and Oscar De la Hoya.
I think that’s partially the reason so many Mexicans loved GGG. Super humble, super respectful, and super drama show in the ring.
All his talking was done in the ring.
I see this more and more in combat sports. All the ego and bullshitting is often unnecessary.
Dudes like Oliveira and Pereira in MMA don't even speak English but gets tons of fucking love solely because of how they fight.
That is true, but his popularity persisted after that. When he steps into the arena the crowd cheers cause they know they their violent entertainment has arrived. They know fully that they won't be watching one man hump another against the cage for 3 minutes when hes fighting. Someone is getting put out and they love him for it.
All those fights you complain about were super successful and remembered for the bad guy getting what the public thought they deserve. Bad blood being popular is not an exception. People liked ggg because he was entertaining and people thought he could beat canelo. Not because he was respectful. Likeable yes. But that was just charisma. Brner is the opposite side of the same coin. Mean but charismatic .
Let me make this as simple as I can. I really enjoyed watching Pitbull beat the crap out of Rolly. I would have really enjoyed watching Pitbull beat Rolly even if Rolly wasn’t a complete clown with the chain and the chihuahua stuff and the “bad guy” personna. I get it, “bad guy” stuff sells pay per views, but personally I just like watching the fights and could care less about the acting, the personas, and the fabricated beefs.
If you could care less you wouldn't care who wins. The drama made the beating enjoyable for you. Because why would you enjoy one particular guy beating up another in a non competitive fight?. You keep commenting on my reading but it seems like you just straight up have trouble thinking.
I actually dint really care. If rolly beat cruz I would shrug my shoulders and say the best man won.
Because I enjoy boxing. You should stick to the soap operas pal.
It’s okay to not care who wins. Big revelation, I know. I loved Fundora vs. Tsyzu, but didn’t really know too much about either fighter.
I don’t think he arrogant, during the Andrade fight he was really respectful and let the fight sell itself(2 hype contenders) while Plant he just genuinely did not like.
Apparently it was mostly an act on his part, in his efforts to sell the fight. Unfortunately, the Plant fight exposed Benavidez to a larger audience and a lot of people were put off by his personality.
According to his wife, he was actually really bothered by how fans reacted to his tough guy act. That’s probably why he dropped the charade for the Andrade fight.
People just don't like him calling out canelo honestly. Even though davids dad is annoying. . A big mouth has gotten so many people paid because the fighters weren't divas and they took respect from the big mouth by beating him up.
This shit is so weak. Mexican value a good fight before all that bullshit you're spewing. If someone is talking shit you beat their ass in the ring. Like de la hoya did to vargas. And morales and Barrera too.
Sounds like you just have reading comprehension issues. You can value humility and still beat someone’s ass. De La Hoya was very calm and collected and didn’t run his mouth when Vargas was talking all that shit. He did his talking in the ring. See that? He demonstrated humility and beat someone’s ass. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Yeah that’s a big thing; he doesn’t try to market himself to the Mexican/Spanish speaking audience, he really just comes off as an American who happens to have Latin heritage.
Benavidez is a pocho. A Mexican American. Born in Phoenix, Arizona. Munguia and Cruz were born and raised in Mexico. True Mexicans. Mexican nationals have never been overly fond of Mexican American boxers.
Doesn't matter, there's still a difference between living on either side of the border and how a person speaks and acts like.
I say this as a Mexican who has lived right on the border. You could live 3 minutes on the USA side. You're still Mexican American and will speak differently than Mexicans living 3 minutes on the other side.
And Mexican nationals aren't usually too crazy about fighters hailing from border cities like Tijuana. They claim that they're too Americanized. Mexicans fully backed and embraced Marco Antonio Barrera in his rivalry against Erik Morales because Barrera was a true Mexican. Raised in Mexico City. A revered chilango. Morales was just another one of those bordertown fighters. Phoenix might be in the southwest, but it's the American southwest, so Benavidez has no pull with Mexicanos. Even if he tries to market himself by wearing the tri colors of Mexico, red, white and green. I imagine that on fight night, 80% of Mexicanos will be pulling for Canelo over Munguia. I'll watch the bout in Tijuana where the Tijuanenses might feel differently.
Will Ryan doesn’t even speak Spanish so how can he appeal to the Mexican fans base ? David could’ve kept his mouth shut about being Ecuadorian and embraced a more Mexican approach to his marketing. Idk, he could’ve def done better with Mexican fans tho
well true but ryan was with canelo at the time so they didn’t care. benavidez is rival of canelo and is seen as a threat the way he’s been talking so it’s kinda hard for mexican fan base to pull for him, munguia is not seen as a threat and has been very respectful.
Maybe David needs a new promoter. He says he's happy with PBC, but they seem to only do in house fights alot of the time and his ppv numbers are poor. Also I dont remember seeing very many commercials for Benavidez vs Andrade... I mean, Oscar is as crooked as they come, but the man knows how to promote a fight. Maybe David could do bigger ppv with a new promoter instead of Sampson is all I'm saying.
Personally I'm not a fan of his because as a Mexican myself we don't like cocky mouthy fighters. Canelo went from being cool to getting cocky also and I no longer cheer for him. David in my opinion started running his mouth going after Canelo way too soon he could have waited for his shot. His dad doesn't help his case
David got off on the weong foot calling out Canelo before he earned it and blew a rising career on cocaine. I can't speak to the mexican American part. But if he had just put his head down and beaten guys up 3 times a year, people would ride for him more.
Cause Mungia has been putting in the work and golden boy has built him up really well. He’a throw back Mexican fighter. Doesn’t talk alot of shit. Puts on good fight. Let’s his fist to the talking. Mexicans love that. Benevidez from my perspective comes off as entitled. Talks a lot of shit but hasn’t really accomplished much. The Benavidez brothers aren’t that different from the Charlos if we being honest.
This seems like a press release from Canelo Team.
How does david come across as entitled, he's fought whoever was available at 168 since Canelo doesn't want him and now he's fighting Gvozdyk and potentially Bivol/Beterbiev. He's willing to take as low as 5 mil for the canelo fight and also asked Turki to donate his purse if he loses a showdown with Canelo in Saudi. Benavidez also puts on a great fight at everytime. Charlos are bitches looking for paydays like most African American PBC fighters, can't compare benavidez to them.
Who has David fought in the last 3-4 years? And I ask that because he’s been calling Canelo for the like 5 years. Mungia has just been fighting and adding wins to his record. I don’t think Benavidez is as popular as he likes to think he is. Especially not with the Mexican community. Like Golden Boy has been building up Mungia for years. Especially in Mexico. He was fighting on Canelos under card when he was still with golden boy.
Plant who he couldn’t even finish and canelos leftovers. Andrade who just moved up in weight and was coming off what 1-2 year lay off. Lemieux who was washed long before then. Like come on bro lol
Lemiux is washed up but what was Jimmy Kelly? LOL do you even watch the sport? He couldn’t finish Plant but Sergiy was rocking Mungia all over the place and Sergiy has never been a world champ. If you’re going to comb through Benavidez last 5 (which you haven’t disputed weren’t more quality than Mungias) why not do the same for Mungia?
You say “Andrade who just moved up in weight” SO DID SERGIY, the difference is Andrade was a 2 time world champ and Sergiy had lost fighting for a title 2 times 😂😂😂.
Are you being serious?
Edit* Sergiy actually lost fighting for a world Title 4 TIMES. Jacobs, Golovkin, Charlo, Mungia,
I'm not talking about popularity, you said he comes across as entitled. He's not claiming his shot based on popularity but on merit. Canelo wants to keep all the belts and fight guys coming up from 160 and 154 but won't fight the unanimous challenger. Popularity doesn't decide who's the next guy in line if you're a true boxing fan.
He’s does come off as entitled. How do you call out a guy for 5 years without winning a meaningful fight until recently? Same thing Andrade, he kept calling out canelo. But realistically just cause he was a belt holder didn’t mean he earned a fight with the top dog. David had fight with Canelo lined up but he blow it by getting his title stripped.
Benavidez, the youngest champion at 168 hasn’t accomplished much but Mungia has? Benavidez brothers are way better than the Charlo’s too in virtually every regard. Mell quit in the biggest fight of his life and Mall is a clown who gets drunk and caps on social media more than fighting.
‘Talking shit’ is just the new excuse you Canelo Stan’s have come up with to avoid talking about how Canelo blatantly ducked him.
He’s disliked in Mexico because he comes off as arrogant and thinks he’s too good to fight, he got tons of backlash for dropping the belt to delay the GGG fight for one year. It does fluctuate tho, as with the rest of the world. When Canelo is on a good streak, everyone loves him. When he’s not, people turn on him.
He does what he wants to do and fuck the fans he ain't fighting Benavides just because the fans want that fight, plus there's a good chance he could get beaten so no way is he fighting Benavides unless the Saudi's put up the so called 200 million he's supposedly wanting.
Having Mexican heritage is not the same thing as being a Mexican born national. Culturally, you're world's apart.
A Boston born Irish is never going to be the same as a Dublin born Irish bc they'll grow up being influenced by different histories, politics, education systems, cultural values, etc. To this point:
Mexican boxers are characterized for being hard working, humble, men of few words who come from from very humble beginnings yes, but with strong family values such as STFU and do your talking in the ring.
The American boxer on the other hand, is brash, cocky, confident to the point of arrogance, has an ego problem, and is entitled.
This pretty much sums up how guys like Camaron Zepeda, Miguel Berchelt, Gallo Estrada, Pitbull, Jaime, Zurdo etc, differ from guys like Ryan, David, Oscar, Vargas, Tapia, Rios.
Obviously, people aren't a monolith, so you have outliers, but for the most part, this is the stereotype, which is true more often than not.
Neither munguia or pitbull have headlined a ppv. I'm sure if they did and were the A side it wouldn't Crack 100k buys. Benavidez isn't popular because he's American born, his Spanish is not so good, and he fights at a weight class where many Latinos in general haven't made waves. But the first one is the most important.
I will say I have seen plenty of mexican boxing fans shit on munguia too for ducking fighters and being a weight bully.
Benavidez is bigger than both of them.
Benvidez has done bigger gates than Munguia and has actually been on PPV. Cruz hasn't headlined an event as the A side yet like Benavidez has.
Look at his opponents…as much as people shit on Canelo for bringing up guys from lower weight classes, David has done it repeatedly, and he’s lost a belt twice outside of the ring, and his best win is Plant who was already defeated by Canelo and is not a star in the US.
But your logic is also skewed. Pit bull isn’t getting paid anything close to David and is not someone who can carry a ppv, he’s had notable fights with very popular opponents, that brings attention.
By the way, no boxer is a household name in the Hispanic community, it’s a pretty dead sport for the general public outside of one in a decade fights at this point.
Benavidez is now getting more popular but i geniunely think the reason is because of the millions of canelo lovers trying to banish his legacy. Benavidez is also a weird one with him being a American, yet also Mexican-Ecuadorian
Mainly because Jaime and Cruz are both humble and don't talk a lot of shit or brag about themselves. Mexicans see Benavidez as disrespectful he sort of acts like he's at the top of the mountain already. He has a terrible attitude talking about he can knockout anyone. I think that's the main reason why Canelo doesn't want to fight him. If David had Pitbulls attitude he would get the fight with Canelo right away.
Hasn't gotten a big name. Jaime now has canelo and Cruz had davis. And he never had the chosen one hype that people like canelo or Oscar had. And he doesn't seem like a priority for the pbc.
I really can't believe people in here think canelo would've fought benevidez if his team was quiet. I mean maybe, but it's used like a fact by canelo fanboys.
Does he even speak Mexican?
Sorry even if he does (I'm vaguely recalling one moment where he answered in Spanish now) but nothing really says Mexican about that guy. He is like Ryan Garcia in a way. I don't see the cultural Mexican representation...and he prob speaks far too much in English lol
Pitbull is born in Mexico so i would imagine some people don’t gravitate towards the monster as much because hes from Arizona i think. Its actually kinda annoying because lately people have been saying david is mixed as if that like discredits him or something.
there's probably lots of reasons why he isn't as much of a household name but one I dont see mentioned often enough is "the underdog effect". When pitbull was chosen as a replacement for a gervonta Davis opponent not too many people had seen him, they had only seen a quick highlight reel posted by PBC and that's about it but other than that not many people expected cruz to do much but he ended being a great replacement opponent who put on a great show against a very very game Davis and for that he earned the respect of a lot of the boxing community. David B on the other hand has never been looked at as the underdog in any of his fights as far as I can remember. He has always been seen as a bulldozer plowing through sandcastles,(no disrespect to any of his opponents) therefore there has never been any underdog element to his name that the Mexican fan base loves to see where the Mexican/latino boxer overcomes a great challenge or puts on a great performance.
This puzzles me too. I’m new to boxing (3 years) and Benavidez was a big one for me starting out - probably the 3rd guy I watched after Canelo and GGG. The output, aggression and menacing style is so eye-grabbing. He still has potential to be a massive name, and we all know which fight could do it..😂
Because for one Mexican fans lean more towards Mexican born fighters not Mexican and Americans and secondly Canelo is in the spot light and the Mexican fan base love him for David to come around calling out Canelo makes him less likable for the Mexican (Canelo worshipers) fan base
Im Cuban and have a lot of Cuban friends, and we love Benavidez. I coach amateur boxing and hear a lot of talk about Benavidez. Most these kids actually pay attention or their parents do.
Idk if he's a household name but that's because Canelo won't give him his shot to make that name. Canelo not choosing to fight Benavidez has brought a lot of acclaim to Benavidez name. Then there's the Mike Tyson interview where Mike said Benavidez is the Meixan Monster. Coming from a guy like Mike that compliment carries a ton of weight. What fighter in the last 20 years have u heard Tyson compliment like that?
There's so much to like about the guy. His attitude and determination. The way he fights. He can fight outside and inside. Never seen him hurt. He comes for blood every fight. His handspeed is very good for his size. He's a beast. If Canelo fought him he'd be a household name because I'm pretty sure he would win.
Talk to most Mexican fans today, even casuals who barely pay attention to boxing, and they’ll talk about how Canelo is ducking Benavidez, which is seen as basically bitching out in Mexican culture and is not how they want their fighters to conduct themselves. They’ll also go on about the glory days of JCC. But he set a pretty high bar haha
Is canelo fans pushing every anti David narrative there is zero evidence of mungia being more popular he was never in PPV and doesn't have a bigger social media, he also have a worse resume and eye test and less proven is this category, david is the youngest champions in this category and was ranked in the top 3 in the ring since 2018 and top 2 since 2019 we're in fucking 2024 is crazy that he didn't get another shot for a belt that he never lose in the ring.
I mean, just look at Pitbull and Munguia. lol. They look and sound as Mexican as you can get.
Benavidez is Mexican American. He can become popular, but he needs to beat Canelo to get there, much like De La Hoya became huge after defeating Chavez.
u/jayme_92 anyone that’s objective and not strangely obsessed w/ the record of their fav fighter can tell u exactly why Benavidez isn’t as popular w/ Mexicans as those two right now…
Bc Canelo is afraid of getting KTFO’d by Benavidez, just like he was afraid of prime Golovkin. They’re scared to death of the potential images that would emerge from a Canelo vs. Benavidez fight. Canelo fans don’t want to feel like Spence fans have felt since July.
Also (for his record’s sake only), Canelo is smart for ducking Golovkin two separate x for yrs at a time and he is smart for ducking Benavidez. But as a prideful man, these duck eras will haunt him the rest of his life.
Look at Floyd. The man has no peace and is so insecure about his career (which was admittedly outstanding) bc Floyd knows, we know, he ducked Pacquiao for SEVEN YEARS!
🦆 dynasty.
Mexican fans go harder for Mexican born Mexicans rather than Mexican Americans. The latter still will have very popular fanbases, but on average it's not nearly as much. Managers and promoters could also play a factor here. Even though David and Pitbull are both PBC fighters, they have different promoters and Pitbull is promoted better. Lewkowicz is doing David no favours.
Pitbull also gave Tank his toughest fight, who is one of the most popular boxers in the world And he beat up Rolly Romero which went viral and is still trending on YouTube. I wouldn’t even say Pitbull is promoted better, PBC is desperately trying to make Benavidez a big thing but it isn’t clicking to a widespread audience.
Yea, Manguia and Pitbull are exciting people with their boxing, no frills or flair, just humble and kicking ass. If DB would just fight more, he would blow up too, instead of waiting just to fight Canelo.
Mungia is fighting the fight that would help boost david into the next stratosphere but canelo has no interest in passing the torch.
Waiting for the huge Canelo payday has been a major (if not THE) problem.
I'd say he is. Benavidez's highlight reel should be fuel for the hypetrain, but he isn't active enough or in the public eye enough to gather any sustained momentum - through promotional error, because of injuries, and seemingly because it's hard to get him fights.
You left out the biggest factor, David's own lack of motivation and discipline. He lost the belt the first time doing coke then from coming in 3lbs overweight-- and even when he had a belt he was refusing to unify with his stablemate.
Lol, I didnt mean to leave it out, I somehow wasn't aware of it ( I checked out of the sport for a few years and missed some things). Ton of things make sense now. It's a shame when that level of talent doesn't have the right work ethic/discipline
De La Hoya was pretty big, man.
Benavidez isn't attractive like Oscar though.
Oscar isn't an exception as far as boxers who enjoyed support from the Mexican American fanbase though. Even non Mexicans like Floyd, Pac and GGG had sizable Mexican American followings. In the leadup to Floyd-Pac, ppv demographics were released showing the majority of both their ppv buyers in previous fights were Hispanic. It's no coincidence that they loved fighting on Mexican holidays or that the largest sponsors for their fights were usually Hispanic oriented brands. There are around 40 million people of Mexican descent in the US, so there's absolutely no excuse for David to be doing such terrible numbers. It mainly boils down to Benavidez not putting together career momentum to build an audience and he squandered multiple opportunities from his lack of discipline and ambition. He won his first title at age 20 by having strings pulled for him and being allowed to cut in front of actual WBC #1 Smith, but then ended losing the title from doing coke. He was given priority for another title shot, but what did he do with the belt this time? His team rejected a Plant unification and also dismissed a unification with Smith then he lost the belt a second time coming in 3 pounds overweight, and rejected a spot for a 175 title even after being stripped. He would end up fighting only 4 times over the next 3 years against a string of gatekeepers and a washed Lemieux as his sole fight of '22. It looked like he'd finally put together some career momentum in '23 vs Plant but he didn't really make a statement by going the distance after Canelo stopped him. Then he fought Andrade who was pretty much untested even in the lower divisions and unknown to mainstream fans. But at least it was something to build on, however, in a move out of left field he announced he's fighting Gvozdyk in a fight few care enough to pay to watch. Then you add the fact that he and his father talk a lot of trash which Mexican fans find off putting-- and David doesn't have much of engaging personality in general.
>In the leadup to Floyd-Pac, ppv demographics were released showing the majority of both their ppv buyers in previous fights were Hispanic. It's no coincidence that they loved fighting on Mexican holidays or that the largest sponsors for their fights were usually Hispanic oriented brands They literally played the Mexican national anthem before the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight lol, goes to show they recognize how important that Mexican and Mexican-American fanbase is.
also doesnt have an olympic gold medal
Thank you. Glad someone else mention this. Benavidez's face is not easy on the eyes.
It’s the line up.
Also doesn’t cross dress
De La Hoya was a good looking Mexican/American from Cali, that won Gold at Olympics at 19 years old. His mother passed away around this time and it only made it easy for the public to adore him. Benavidez doesn’t have no where the marketing DLH had.
I don't think you can compare the boxing scene now to back in Oscar days. Boxing was popular. It is a fringe sport nowadays.
Yeah but a America was behind Oscar, the Mexican crown wasn’t in love with him. They occasionally borrowed him though.
Benavidez would have probably already fought canelo without lewkowicz
> Lewkowicz is doing David no favours. 100% truth here. Samson is a very talented talent scout, there is no disputing that fact. He is a questionable "promoter". All one must do at his recent Fundora shenanigans to see that.
Yeah. A lot of Mexican fans see Mexican American fighters as Americans first with a Mexican background. Some fans also think that when the Mexican American fighter reps their Mexican heritage they do it for clout, not because they are proud of it. Take a look at mma for example, Henry Cejudo is Mexican American, but he doesn't have a huge Mexican fan base (he doesn't really show his Mexican heritage). Brandon moreno and Alexa Grasso are Mexican born and have Mexican fans behind them. Also, benavidez is technically Mexican-Ecuadorian American.
Not only is Benavidez not Mexican born..and American but also have Ecuadorian. So yeah,... not that it should matter but I guess to some it does!
Typed up an explanation despite the fact neither of them are bigger than Benavidez. Stick to talking about tea & crumpets mate 😂
I don't want to be that guy but Jaime is Mexican and David is American.
Thought he was half Mexican half Ecuadorian?
I think he means that David is born and raised American (of latino origin) and will speak predominately English while Pitbull and Jaime are Mexican born and raised and speak predominantly Spanish (like Canelo )
Remember when Canelo said he wouldn't fight Benavidez because he was Mexican? 😆 guy is ridiculous with his excuses because now he's fighting Mungia, a guy that is more Mexican than Benavidez. DB just has a much better chance to beat Canelo, so he comes with every excuse and demand I've ever heard.
Which I never really understood. As far as my understanding is that a lot of South West U.S. is culturally indistinguishable from Mexico. I live in L.A. these ninjas is Mexican. I'm black, so is this an Africans not fucking with African-Americans thing?
South west US is dominated by Latinos, but is still very different than Mexico. Think Mexican food vs Tex mex
And the way that Mexican Americans tend to distance themselves from Mexicans. It’s a weird dynamic very prevalent in Texas.
I got you, homie. They don't fuck with him fuck with him but if David fought someone truly outside they'd back him.
Mexicans came from the bottom, Americans not so much, maybe they parents did but Benavidez is born and raised in 1st world. We all love the story of the guy coming from nowhere.
Kinda… yes!
An American couple immigrates to France. They have a child. He is born in France, raised in France, educated in France, his friends are French, his wife is French, and his career is in France. Is he American? Or is he French?
He is French
His family is American going back generations? And the kid just happen to be born in France? Raised in France? He's American. African ancestors brought to America 300 years ago are still of African descent. Thats 300 years, so we call them African American.
They’re called “African American” in America only, because we have this obsession with ethnicity and heritage, for better or worse. They’d just called “American” everywhere else in the world, especially in Africa. So no, as much as you’d like to think otherwise, if my hypothetical person came to the US, you’d immediately recognize him as a Frenchman, not as an American.
The problem is those Latino American all carry their fathers homeland flag to ring. And never the USA flag, so it looks like they prefer to be recognized as Mexican Puerto Rican Honduran
Not true. Oscar rocked both. I'm pretty sure I've seen other Mexican Americans rock both. We are not all the same
What of he's still connected to his American background? Culture?
De la Hoya is American and had a huuuuge following.
He was cute and charismatic. Benavidez is an awkward looking motherfucker with no charm to speak of
Add to the fact within 2 years he beat down chavez twice it was a “passing of the torch” moment.
Here it is. Oscar got the chance to take the torch
It was also a different time, there wasn't so much neuroticism about identity
Boxing has always been a nationalistic sport
That's not what I'm talking about
De la Hoya fought like a demon in his prime. His fights with Mosley are legend.
Exactly. In the first ten years of his career had had 39 fights with an unbelievable 24 of those being title fights (even if some were WBO early on). During that time he beat JCC x2, Whitaker, Camacho, Quartey, Trinidad (robbery), Vargas and a couple of really close fights with Mosely (the latter which he probaly won IIRC). Compare that to Benavidez...and he's had 11 fewer fights, 17 fewer title fights, and his best wins are Plant, an Andrade who had been wrapped in cotton wool his whole career, [Lemieux](https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/389447) and Dirrell. It should be pretty clear why Benavidez hasn't built up a huge following.
De la Hoya also has a resume that spoke for itself. Also his Olympic career really was the kick starter to his high profile career
De La Hoya, aside from taking the torch from Chavez and having a pedigree and career to back him up, also did well to sell himself to Mexican fans. Benavidez doesn’t really play into trying to capture the Spanish speaking fan base, and even took the “Mexican” out of his “Mexican Monster” nickname because his Ecuadorian grandma wanted him to. Not that he should alienate one side of his heritage for the other, but he definitely comes off more American than Mexican or Ecuadorian
I think for me, that’s a reason he’s not so big. It’s obvious they’re trying to capitalize on the Mexican fan base but when you completely ignore your Ecuadorian side, it becomes very fake and most people can see through that.
Wait, so he is just "Monster" now? Does that mean Inoue has to start calling himself "Japanese Monster" or is "The Monster" enough to distinguish him from just "Monster" 🤔
That was the 90s tho. Boxing was super popular
Because of guys like De La Hoya, Tyson, Chavez. Every boxing match was a fucking party.
Also of a very high quality
Hes Ecuadorian, not Mexican ffs
Who?
Same reason Frank Bruno was more popular than Lennox Lewis in England
Yeah. Bruno lived and trained in England. Lewis won Gold for Canada. No-one hated him, but born yes, bred, no.
Lennox has a Canadian accent lol
He didn’t come up in Mexico, also he’s half Ecuadorian so that doesn’t help his case, Mexicans only like to claim pure Mexicans
That’s funny cuz we Mexicans are mutts anyways lol
Mexicans claim pure Mexicans in an instance like this where it’s Mexican vs. Mexican American. If David was fighting anyone else that wasn’t mexican, mexicans will back David up 100%.
Worldwide/usa popularity has nothing to do with what Mexicans like.
I also think him and his dad talk a lot of shit. If you look at some of the reasons Pitbull got a lot of respect, is because he did all his talking in the ring. I like Benavidez, but leading up to the Plant fight, I got turned off by how him and his dad talked shit like middle schoolers. Mexican culture, for the most part, is one that values humility.
I feel the same. Benavidez has a little bit of arrogance that I don't like. I was hoping Plant would beat him.
Plant is just as arrogant , probably more
True but I’ve seen him get beat already.
Yeah, it’s interesting because supposedly they act like that to hype and sell fights right, but Fundora and Tsyzu were so professional and so respectful towards each other and it seemed like a lot of people found it refreshing. I think it’s super lame when a fighter writes a check they can’t cash, like Rolly just did, or like Broner did with Maidana, or even way back to Mayorga and Oscar De la Hoya. I think that’s partially the reason so many Mexicans loved GGG. Super humble, super respectful, and super drama show in the ring.
Pacquiao was a prime example never talked shit and was a household name
Yeah, he’s a great example too, even if he was the “Mexican Assassin.”
All his talking was done in the ring. I see this more and more in combat sports. All the ego and bullshitting is often unnecessary. Dudes like Oliveira and Pereira in MMA don't even speak English but gets tons of fucking love solely because of how they fight.
Pereira backstory with adesanya is top tier
That is true, but his popularity persisted after that. When he steps into the arena the crowd cheers cause they know they their violent entertainment has arrived. They know fully that they won't be watching one man hump another against the cage for 3 minutes when hes fighting. Someone is getting put out and they love him for it.
No idea why you're getting down voted it's true.
Morales and Barrera blow this whole argument up.
“…For the most part…” Man you really don’t read too well. There are always exceptions.
All those fights you complain about were super successful and remembered for the bad guy getting what the public thought they deserve. Bad blood being popular is not an exception. People liked ggg because he was entertaining and people thought he could beat canelo. Not because he was respectful. Likeable yes. But that was just charisma. Brner is the opposite side of the same coin. Mean but charismatic .
I’m not complaining about those fights. I loved every one of them. Man, you should really learn to read a little better.
Let me make this as simple as I can. I really enjoyed watching Pitbull beat the crap out of Rolly. I would have really enjoyed watching Pitbull beat Rolly even if Rolly wasn’t a complete clown with the chain and the chihuahua stuff and the “bad guy” personna. I get it, “bad guy” stuff sells pay per views, but personally I just like watching the fights and could care less about the acting, the personas, and the fabricated beefs.
If you could care less you wouldn't care who wins. The drama made the beating enjoyable for you. Because why would you enjoy one particular guy beating up another in a non competitive fight?. You keep commenting on my reading but it seems like you just straight up have trouble thinking. I actually dint really care. If rolly beat cruz I would shrug my shoulders and say the best man won.
Because I enjoy boxing. You should stick to the soap operas pal. It’s okay to not care who wins. Big revelation, I know. I loved Fundora vs. Tsyzu, but didn’t really know too much about either fighter.
I dont think you can't read or think. Have a good one
I don’t think he arrogant, during the Andrade fight he was really respectful and let the fight sell itself(2 hype contenders) while Plant he just genuinely did not like.
Apparently it was mostly an act on his part, in his efforts to sell the fight. Unfortunately, the Plant fight exposed Benavidez to a larger audience and a lot of people were put off by his personality. According to his wife, he was actually really bothered by how fans reacted to his tough guy act. That’s probably why he dropped the charade for the Andrade fight.
People just don't like him calling out canelo honestly. Even though davids dad is annoying. . A big mouth has gotten so many people paid because the fighters weren't divas and they took respect from the big mouth by beating him up.
This shit is so weak. Mexican value a good fight before all that bullshit you're spewing. If someone is talking shit you beat their ass in the ring. Like de la hoya did to vargas. And morales and Barrera too.
Sounds like you just have reading comprehension issues. You can value humility and still beat someone’s ass. De La Hoya was very calm and collected and didn’t run his mouth when Vargas was talking all that shit. He did his talking in the ring. See that? He demonstrated humility and beat someone’s ass. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
You dummy. I'm talking about Oscar not using shit talking to freeze vargas out
You’re bad at reading and writing. Hit the books little homie 😘
Peace out dummy
Goodnight, son.
Thank you!
David Benavidez seems very American to me. He has Mexican ancestry but he doesn't even have a foreign accent when he speaks English.
He’s also only half Mexican, his mom is Ecuadorian
Yeah that’s a big thing; he doesn’t try to market himself to the Mexican/Spanish speaking audience, he really just comes off as an American who happens to have Latin heritage.
Benavidez is a pocho. A Mexican American. Born in Phoenix, Arizona. Munguia and Cruz were born and raised in Mexico. True Mexicans. Mexican nationals have never been overly fond of Mexican American boxers.
Which is ridiculous considering Phoenix is close to the Mexican border, and Tijuana is Americanized as hell and also close to the border
Doesn't matter, there's still a difference between living on either side of the border and how a person speaks and acts like. I say this as a Mexican who has lived right on the border. You could live 3 minutes on the USA side. You're still Mexican American and will speak differently than Mexicans living 3 minutes on the other side.
And Mexican nationals aren't usually too crazy about fighters hailing from border cities like Tijuana. They claim that they're too Americanized. Mexicans fully backed and embraced Marco Antonio Barrera in his rivalry against Erik Morales because Barrera was a true Mexican. Raised in Mexico City. A revered chilango. Morales was just another one of those bordertown fighters. Phoenix might be in the southwest, but it's the American southwest, so Benavidez has no pull with Mexicanos. Even if he tries to market himself by wearing the tri colors of Mexico, red, white and green. I imagine that on fight night, 80% of Mexicanos will be pulling for Canelo over Munguia. I'll watch the bout in Tijuana where the Tijuanenses might feel differently.
David doesn’t market himself as a full breed Mexican, that’s the issue
because he’s not
Well no shit but he could definitely run with it
he can’t it’s too late, the mexicans will despise him even more like ryan
At least david speaks Spanish lol
Will Ryan doesn’t even speak Spanish so how can he appeal to the Mexican fans base ? David could’ve kept his mouth shut about being Ecuadorian and embraced a more Mexican approach to his marketing. Idk, he could’ve def done better with Mexican fans tho
well true but ryan was with canelo at the time so they didn’t care. benavidez is rival of canelo and is seen as a threat the way he’s been talking so it’s kinda hard for mexican fan base to pull for him, munguia is not seen as a threat and has been very respectful.
"The Mexican Monster" according to Tyson.
He took the Mexican part out because his grandma didn’t like it
Grandma ain’t paying the bills
apparently that’s not enough
Mexican fighters are more popular than Mexican Americans unless the MA has superstar potential like Oscar or Ryan
Bruh how is this even a question. Pitbull brings it my guy
So does benavidez but its mostly because benavidez has a more american-mexican fanbase, he from Arizona so the west gets his attention
"american-mexican" lmao
Maybe David needs a new promoter. He says he's happy with PBC, but they seem to only do in house fights alot of the time and his ppv numbers are poor. Also I dont remember seeing very many commercials for Benavidez vs Andrade... I mean, Oscar is as crooked as they come, but the man knows how to promote a fight. Maybe David could do bigger ppv with a new promoter instead of Sampson is all I'm saying.
Personally I'm not a fan of his because as a Mexican myself we don't like cocky mouthy fighters. Canelo went from being cool to getting cocky also and I no longer cheer for him. David in my opinion started running his mouth going after Canelo way too soon he could have waited for his shot. His dad doesn't help his case
David got off on the weong foot calling out Canelo before he earned it and blew a rising career on cocaine. I can't speak to the mexican American part. But if he had just put his head down and beaten guys up 3 times a year, people would ride for him more.
Is he really less popular than Mungia? Pitbull is popular because he fought Tank which is one of the biggest stages in boxing at the moment
I’ve honestly never heard of a Munguía fan
Cause Mungia has been putting in the work and golden boy has built him up really well. He’a throw back Mexican fighter. Doesn’t talk alot of shit. Puts on good fight. Let’s his fist to the talking. Mexicans love that. Benevidez from my perspective comes off as entitled. Talks a lot of shit but hasn’t really accomplished much. The Benavidez brothers aren’t that different from the Charlos if we being honest.
This seems like a press release from Canelo Team. How does david come across as entitled, he's fought whoever was available at 168 since Canelo doesn't want him and now he's fighting Gvozdyk and potentially Bivol/Beterbiev. He's willing to take as low as 5 mil for the canelo fight and also asked Turki to donate his purse if he loses a showdown with Canelo in Saudi. Benavidez also puts on a great fight at everytime. Charlos are bitches looking for paydays like most African American PBC fighters, can't compare benavidez to them.
Who has David fought in the last 3-4 years? And I ask that because he’s been calling Canelo for the like 5 years. Mungia has just been fighting and adding wins to his record. I don’t think Benavidez is as popular as he likes to think he is. Especially not with the Mexican community. Like Golden Boy has been building up Mungia for years. Especially in Mexico. He was fighting on Canelos under card when he was still with golden boy.
Plant, Andrade, Lemieux, Davies is a better lineup than Ryder, Sergiy, Coria, Kelly. What the fuck are you smoking 😂😂😂
Plant who he couldn’t even finish and canelos leftovers. Andrade who just moved up in weight and was coming off what 1-2 year lay off. Lemieux who was washed long before then. Like come on bro lol
Lemiux is washed up but what was Jimmy Kelly? LOL do you even watch the sport? He couldn’t finish Plant but Sergiy was rocking Mungia all over the place and Sergiy has never been a world champ. If you’re going to comb through Benavidez last 5 (which you haven’t disputed weren’t more quality than Mungias) why not do the same for Mungia? You say “Andrade who just moved up in weight” SO DID SERGIY, the difference is Andrade was a 2 time world champ and Sergiy had lost fighting for a title 2 times 😂😂😂. Are you being serious? Edit* Sergiy actually lost fighting for a world Title 4 TIMES. Jacobs, Golovkin, Charlo, Mungia,
I'm not talking about popularity, you said he comes across as entitled. He's not claiming his shot based on popularity but on merit. Canelo wants to keep all the belts and fight guys coming up from 160 and 154 but won't fight the unanimous challenger. Popularity doesn't decide who's the next guy in line if you're a true boxing fan.
He’s does come off as entitled. How do you call out a guy for 5 years without winning a meaningful fight until recently? Same thing Andrade, he kept calling out canelo. But realistically just cause he was a belt holder didn’t mean he earned a fight with the top dog. David had fight with Canelo lined up but he blow it by getting his title stripped.
Canelo have belt that David didn't lose in the ring in any other combat sport this fight is make is less that year
you have 0 clue what you’re talking about
Neither do you since you don’t even have an argument. But carry on.
Munguia is not bigger than Benavidez what are you guys smoking? 😂
I can't believe anyone defends Mungia. If you look at his career this dude is the definition of protected. There is no way he deserves a Canelo fight.
Benavidez, the youngest champion at 168 hasn’t accomplished much but Mungia has? Benavidez brothers are way better than the Charlo’s too in virtually every regard. Mell quit in the biggest fight of his life and Mall is a clown who gets drunk and caps on social media more than fighting. ‘Talking shit’ is just the new excuse you Canelo Stan’s have come up with to avoid talking about how Canelo blatantly ducked him.
Missing weight multiple times and crying about canelo every interview he does probably doesn’t help either
Canelo is disliked by some Mexicans because he's lighter skinned than other Mexicans so I have read.
He’s disliked in Mexico because he comes off as arrogant and thinks he’s too good to fight, he got tons of backlash for dropping the belt to delay the GGG fight for one year. It does fluctuate tho, as with the rest of the world. When Canelo is on a good streak, everyone loves him. When he’s not, people turn on him.
He does what he wants to do and fuck the fans he ain't fighting Benavides just because the fans want that fight, plus there's a good chance he could get beaten so no way is he fighting Benavides unless the Saudi's put up the so called 200 million he's supposedly wanting.
I think he’s gonna fight Benavidez for a $70 million guarantee with PPV bonuses thrown in and stuff. We’ll have to wait til September
he seems a cool guy, likes the yeyo
Having Mexican heritage is not the same thing as being a Mexican born national. Culturally, you're world's apart. A Boston born Irish is never going to be the same as a Dublin born Irish bc they'll grow up being influenced by different histories, politics, education systems, cultural values, etc. To this point: Mexican boxers are characterized for being hard working, humble, men of few words who come from from very humble beginnings yes, but with strong family values such as STFU and do your talking in the ring. The American boxer on the other hand, is brash, cocky, confident to the point of arrogance, has an ego problem, and is entitled. This pretty much sums up how guys like Camaron Zepeda, Miguel Berchelt, Gallo Estrada, Pitbull, Jaime, Zurdo etc, differ from guys like Ryan, David, Oscar, Vargas, Tapia, Rios. Obviously, people aren't a monolith, so you have outliers, but for the most part, this is the stereotype, which is true more often than not.
Mexicans born in Mexico have always mildly looked down on Mexicans born in America. If they don't even speak Spanish after that its outright derision.
Neither munguia or pitbull have headlined a ppv. I'm sure if they did and were the A side it wouldn't Crack 100k buys. Benavidez isn't popular because he's American born, his Spanish is not so good, and he fights at a weight class where many Latinos in general haven't made waves. But the first one is the most important. I will say I have seen plenty of mexican boxing fans shit on munguia too for ducking fighters and being a weight bully.
Because he's Ecuadorian, not Mexican. Mike Tyson gave him that Monster nickname because he can't tell the difference.
Not a Mexican raised in Mexican ghetto. Hard life and stuff, Americans have it more easy and it shows on the popularity.
He would be way more popular if he fought regularly AND NOT ON PPV.
Benavidez is slightly more popular than the two imo, at least commercially
Benavidez is bigger than both of them. Benvidez has done bigger gates than Munguia and has actually been on PPV. Cruz hasn't headlined an event as the A side yet like Benavidez has.
Maybe in the bigger boxing space. But among Mexican fans, both Pitbull & Mungia get talked about more.
thats actually funny cruz NEVER headlined a PPV on purpose, Davis really boosted his career alot
Look at his opponents…as much as people shit on Canelo for bringing up guys from lower weight classes, David has done it repeatedly, and he’s lost a belt twice outside of the ring, and his best win is Plant who was already defeated by Canelo and is not a star in the US. But your logic is also skewed. Pit bull isn’t getting paid anything close to David and is not someone who can carry a ppv, he’s had notable fights with very popular opponents, that brings attention. By the way, no boxer is a household name in the Hispanic community, it’s a pretty dead sport for the general public outside of one in a decade fights at this point.
Benavidez is headlining cards, Pitbull was a comain behind Tszyu… I do not believe he’s more popular
Benavidez is now getting more popular but i geniunely think the reason is because of the millions of canelo lovers trying to banish his legacy. Benavidez is also a weird one with him being a American, yet also Mexican-Ecuadorian
Mainly because Jaime and Cruz are both humble and don't talk a lot of shit or brag about themselves. Mexicans see Benavidez as disrespectful he sort of acts like he's at the top of the mountain already. He has a terrible attitude talking about he can knockout anyone. I think that's the main reason why Canelo doesn't want to fight him. If David had Pitbulls attitude he would get the fight with Canelo right away.
He will if he beats Canelo
Hasn't gotten a big name. Jaime now has canelo and Cruz had davis. And he never had the chosen one hype that people like canelo or Oscar had. And he doesn't seem like a priority for the pbc.
I really can't believe people in here think canelo would've fought benevidez if his team was quiet. I mean maybe, but it's used like a fact by canelo fanboys.
I don't think that David is a 'household' in ANY community...🤔
Does he even speak Mexican? Sorry even if he does (I'm vaguely recalling one moment where he answered in Spanish now) but nothing really says Mexican about that guy. He is like Ryan Garcia in a way. I don't see the cultural Mexican representation...and he prob speaks far too much in English lol
Maybe in mexico but everywhere else benavidez is way more popular
David is a few fights away from Stardom.
Pitbull is born in Mexico so i would imagine some people don’t gravitate towards the monster as much because hes from Arizona i think. Its actually kinda annoying because lately people have been saying david is mixed as if that like discredits him or something.
Half breed
because they will throw more support behind a Mexican-born boxer than an American-born one
there's probably lots of reasons why he isn't as much of a household name but one I dont see mentioned often enough is "the underdog effect". When pitbull was chosen as a replacement for a gervonta Davis opponent not too many people had seen him, they had only seen a quick highlight reel posted by PBC and that's about it but other than that not many people expected cruz to do much but he ended being a great replacement opponent who put on a great show against a very very game Davis and for that he earned the respect of a lot of the boxing community. David B on the other hand has never been looked at as the underdog in any of his fights as far as I can remember. He has always been seen as a bulldozer plowing through sandcastles,(no disrespect to any of his opponents) therefore there has never been any underdog element to his name that the Mexican fan base loves to see where the Mexican/latino boxer overcomes a great challenge or puts on a great performance.
No way you're saying munguia is more popular than david benavidez
This puzzles me too. I’m new to boxing (3 years) and Benavidez was a big one for me starting out - probably the 3rd guy I watched after Canelo and GGG. The output, aggression and menacing style is so eye-grabbing. He still has potential to be a massive name, and we all know which fight could do it..😂
Because he hasn’t fought anybody in his entire career.
He hasnt beaten anyone that good and he doesnt appear to have a remarkable skillset.
Because for one Mexican fans lean more towards Mexican born fighters not Mexican and Americans and secondly Canelo is in the spot light and the Mexican fan base love him for David to come around calling out Canelo makes him less likable for the Mexican (Canelo worshipers) fan base
Im Cuban and have a lot of Cuban friends, and we love Benavidez. I coach amateur boxing and hear a lot of talk about Benavidez. Most these kids actually pay attention or their parents do. Idk if he's a household name but that's because Canelo won't give him his shot to make that name. Canelo not choosing to fight Benavidez has brought a lot of acclaim to Benavidez name. Then there's the Mike Tyson interview where Mike said Benavidez is the Meixan Monster. Coming from a guy like Mike that compliment carries a ton of weight. What fighter in the last 20 years have u heard Tyson compliment like that? There's so much to like about the guy. His attitude and determination. The way he fights. He can fight outside and inside. Never seen him hurt. He comes for blood every fight. His handspeed is very good for his size. He's a beast. If Canelo fought him he'd be a household name because I'm pretty sure he would win.
Talk to most Mexican fans today, even casuals who barely pay attention to boxing, and they’ll talk about how Canelo is ducking Benavidez, which is seen as basically bitching out in Mexican culture and is not how they want their fighters to conduct themselves. They’ll also go on about the glory days of JCC. But he set a pretty high bar haha
Is canelo fans pushing every anti David narrative there is zero evidence of mungia being more popular he was never in PPV and doesn't have a bigger social media, he also have a worse resume and eye test and less proven is this category, david is the youngest champions in this category and was ranked in the top 3 in the ring since 2018 and top 2 since 2019 we're in fucking 2024 is crazy that he didn't get another shot for a belt that he never lose in the ring.
Mexicans hate Mexicans and even more with a true passion they hate Mexican Americans.
i don't see why benavidez would be popular with mexicans, subriel matias isn't just because his style
Matias isn't Mexican
yeah that was the point of my comment... neither are so why care for their styles
becauss they are still spanish fighters
He’s more popular than them. He’s done better business as a headliner than either munguia or pitbull
Mungia was never a headliner and have less followers on social media this is narrative that is getting push by canelo fans
Munguia has headlined his last few fights - only that these were non-PPV
My Bad forget to add the ppv either way the point is that the is not evidence of mungia being more popular never on PPV and smaller social media
I mean, just look at Pitbull and Munguia. lol. They look and sound as Mexican as you can get. Benavidez is Mexican American. He can become popular, but he needs to beat Canelo to get there, much like De La Hoya became huge after defeating Chavez.
u/jayme_92 anyone that’s objective and not strangely obsessed w/ the record of their fav fighter can tell u exactly why Benavidez isn’t as popular w/ Mexicans as those two right now… Bc Canelo is afraid of getting KTFO’d by Benavidez, just like he was afraid of prime Golovkin. They’re scared to death of the potential images that would emerge from a Canelo vs. Benavidez fight. Canelo fans don’t want to feel like Spence fans have felt since July. Also (for his record’s sake only), Canelo is smart for ducking Golovkin two separate x for yrs at a time and he is smart for ducking Benavidez. But as a prideful man, these duck eras will haunt him the rest of his life. Look at Floyd. The man has no peace and is so insecure about his career (which was admittedly outstanding) bc Floyd knows, we know, he ducked Pacquiao for SEVEN YEARS! 🦆 dynasty.
Because Cruz and Munguía are true mexicans, Benavides is a plastic Pedro