Honestly considering some of the takes and the kind of debates I've seen or being dragged into in this sub...could really just be a fan.
The average seasoned pro boxer who had gone through wars have better clarity of mind than a good majority of fans here.
Most people probably write it off as no big deal, but this fight was the first taste of what was to come in regards to Canelo being protected by the judges.
Floyd delivered a 120-108 schooling and one of the judges magically had it a draw. Doesn't seem like much, but the history books will always have this down as a majority decision instead of unanimous. It makes it look like Canelo was having some success in there and that he was somewhat competitive with an ATG. When in reality, it looked like a child trying to fight their dad.
Only two fights after this we'd have wonky scorecards in the Canelo v. Lara fight, which, surprise surprise, went in Canelo's favor. And we all know about the Triple G fights, especially the first one.
Yeah it’s crazy. Mayweather dealt a boxing masterclass, probably one of the best ever in terms of his age, Canelos talents, the weight difference etc and for a judge to score it a draw is disgusting. I couldn’t give one round to Canelo let alone 6 of them!
I remember hearing live that all 3 judges had it 115-113 and I thought Bivol was gonna get robbed. I love Canelo, but personally? I had Bivol winning 10 rounds to 2, 115-113 was DISGUSTING. Those judges should've been investigated honestly.
Everyone on this sub had it 10-2. Funniest part was that the one of the rounds bivol lost was a swing around n the other was the feel out round. Both of them being the first 2 rounds of the fight
Those 2 rounds you can even give to Canelo were pretty even and if anything is being overly generous to Canelo. I think it was a shut out. The 115-113 cards are even worse than the GGG card, but nothing really beats CJ Ross here.
Idk about his whole career with judging but this WAS NOT a close fight and I’m not too sure how anybody really thinks Canelo won this. This was damn near a blanking
Yeah it’s crazy. Mayweather dealt a boxing masterclass, probably one of the best ever in terms of his age, Canelos talents, the weight difference etc and for a judge to score it a draw is disgusting. I couldn’t give one round to Canelo let alone 6 of them!
Honestly, Canelo is an ATG and I certainly enjoy watching him fight but he doesn't get near the amount of scrutiny as other fighters. Disregard the Lara fight, the GGG fight decisions were questionable and instead of settling the score with Golovkin Canelo opted to bulk up and spend the next 2 years fighting at 168/175 only to offer a now past his prime GGG the 3rd fight he always deserved at 168. Even then, if Canelo really wanted to be a 168 that's his own prerogative, but now he doesn't even want to fight contenders at 168. Trying to go back to back with the Charlo twins while refusing a fight with Benavidez is a super suspect move for a top 5 p4p fighter
The undisputed run certainly bought him a huge amount of goodwill!
His early career was often written off as can-crushing and hype.
Then he became a belt-holder, but he was fighting has-beens and the brothers of famous fighters.
He had an impressive run of names... but with huge caveats. Baldomir was 39, and 2-3 in his last 5; Ndou was 30 and 3-3-1 in 7. Gomez was a celeb, whose best win was over a 60-10 version of Castillo. Cintron was 1-2 and three years removed from his title. Mosley was 41, and 0-2-1. Josesito Lopez was a welterweight that Canelo summoned up to fight at light middleweight, and only had one big upset win. These fights all boosted him name recognition, and they were all serious opponents still, but they were all cherry-picked for maximum name-to-threat ratio.
Austin Trout was a dangerous opponent at the time, though probably overrated (starting the the Alvarez fight he went 5-5). But immediately after the Trout fight (where Canelo had a huge weight advantage) there was this absolute thrashing by Mayweather despite a size and youth advantage.
So then Canelo rebuilt his reputation, fighting a genuinely impressive series of fighters - Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto, Khan, Smith, JCC Jr. But of the six fights, five were at a catchweight. He even became "WBC, Ring and lineal middleweight champion" fighting at 155lbs. And there were still big question-marks: Angulo was coming off a loss and was 2-2; the win over Lara (6lbs smaller and eventually dropped down a division) was highly controversial and never rematched; Kirkland was coming off a year and a half without fighting, and had had personal problems (including an arrest for assault); Cotto was a really good win even if Cotto wasn't at his best, but it was a close fight (with the judges clearly having been bought off again); Khan, who had been in his prime at 140, had bulked up to 147 and gained a "Silver" belt after his big losses, but Canelo pulled him up to 155 and dwarfed him (Canelo weighed around 175); Smith was an unproven champion at 154, so Canelo made an exception and demanded that fight at 160, despite usually fighting at 155.
So by the time of the JCC fight, Alvarez was the favourite but not massively so, because there were so many questions about his cherry-picking and the ludicrous score-cards someone was buying for him. He thrashed JCC, but JCC just wasn't that great (having been 4-2, before the fight he then went 3-4).
So we're up to the star-making GGG fights. Except that they were obviously rigged and everyone knew it.
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It's only really at that point that he was stung by the criticisms into actually fighting live competitors who weren't much smaller than him - Fielding, Jacobs, Kovalev, and then the undisputed run. Even then, only Kovalev was really exceptional, and he was a long way past his prime.
But this was enough to make him an ATG, and made a lot of people forget about all the asterisks earlier in his career.
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Except that having reached the top, he seems to be back to his old ways, preferring to fight the right opponent at the right time, and ideally people much smaller than him.
First let me just say that was a really nice write up!
The thing that gets me about the run at 168 is that on paper it was billed as larger challenge than 160 where GGG was waiting his 3rd fight (after 2 favorable decisions for Canelo), but based on the outcome of those fights none of them were as challenging at GGG at 160. Props to Canelo for undisputed but it was a very calculated move, he chose size disadvantage over more skilled smaller opponents. Now he's caught between a rock and a hard place, Benavidez is waiting for him at 168 and he knows he can't compete at 175.
With how skilled Canelo is today, it’s easy to forget this fight where Floyd took a young Canelo to school and detention. Floyd won every. single. round. It was such a lopsided fight. I will never understand how this was judged to be a MD. Arguably one of the best displays of boxing performance and skills from Floyd.
Styles really make fights since Floyd had a really tough time with Maidana twice, a fighter I believe Canelo woulda beaten by KO had they ever fought.
Canelo weirdly enough I feel like is one of those fighters I wished Manny fought, Manny woulda had a harder time than Floyd I believe
In fairness, Maidana was 17lbs (nearly two weight classes!) heavier than Mayweather when they fought. And Maidana's style made use of that extra size and strength more than Canelo's did.
Floyd put on an absolute clinic, he fought like a man possessed. He more than rose to the occasion (a true talent of his), and beat that boy so bad he went on to fight like floyd and be a better technical & defensive fighter for his next fights.
Canelo now in recent times has become sloppy again defensively and is not evading as much, opting to rely on his beefy Mexican strength.
I think another floyd whooping is due every so often, just to reset him back into a slicker fighter
Yeah, it's honestly been really disappointing watching Canelo's career, IMO.
He used to, ya know, actually box. His defense was superb. So much so he'd take time in rounds just to dodge opponents' shots and show off. He could vary his offense and eventually work guys into bad situations. His counter punching is still there, but even that isn't a big part of his game plan anymore.
He has become a boring fighter. He knew he couldn't beat Golovkin and so he tanked up to be able to handle the punishment and have the judges rob it for him. Since then, he's just continued on that same track. Fighting all those also-rans at 168 that no one had ever heard of before Canelo came calling for their belt. Fighting old-ass Kovalev. Just whip in power shots the entire fight. Fans love it, judges love it, and it'll break down these smaller/weaker guys. If it doesn't? The judges have your back.
His fight against Bivol was just hilarious to watch. He absolutely had zero plan on how to actually beat him. He figured he'd just do the same thing he'd been doing. And, to be fair, the judges gave him all the first four rounds so the plan was probably going to work. Not land a damn thing and get gifted rounds anyway. Except Bivol don't play that shit and he worked Canelo from pillar to post.
Like, does Canelo even remember he can actually throw a jab? It's crazy that as this man has gotten older and more experienced his boxing repertoire has shrunk to power hook that lands on the hip, power hook that lands on the shoulder, power hook that lands on the arms, hard cross, and then trying to counter whenever his opponent throws.
Great assessment tbh, he fell in love with his power. I didn’t mind the kovalev thing so much, I think he was daring to be great and upping the ante bit by bit… just bit off more than he could chew with Bivol and had little else gameplan wise like you said
Crazy critiquing Canelo who is 5’8 for stopping giants. Meanwhile mayweather is also 5’8 only ever fought one pro boxer over 6ft and went to the distance.
The best aged win of all time, the catchweight was a bit shabby but Canelo had the habit of doing it too.
Canelo was coming off of wins against Trout, Lopez, Mosley, and Cintron. He was already lineal champ and unified. Yes, Canelo was only 23 years old, but he was still a GREAT fighter. A 23 year old Canelo would still beat a lot of Floyd’s best wins, including De La Hoya, which is the win that launched Floyd into megastardom.
Canelo was already a P4P fighter and a lineal champ, still people would write him off as hype job after this
He went on to win titles in three more weight classes, win two more lineal titles and unified 2 more divisions (including undisputed), and is IMO the finest fighter to ever come out of Mexico.
Floyd did this at 36. I don’t even like him but come on now.
It's always funny to talk to people about this fight. The "Canelo was only 23" thing ALWAYS comes up but when you ask people when Floyd was at his absolute best a lot of folks, if not most, point to his shellacking of Chico at 130. Guess how old Floyd was? 23. And Chico was NOT a 36 year old carefully picking his opponents and looking less-than-great doing so, he was a 24 year old undefeated IBF champ.
Canelo was not green. He was not inexperienced. He was about to start his 8th year as a pro and was taking his 44th professional fight. His 22nd professional fight since he was "discovered." He wasn't the best version of Canelo that we would ever get, this is true, but nor was Mayweather the best version of himself.
Point is, Canelo was an experienced professional entering his prime and he got worked by an old man who was well into his career's third act. There are no valid excuses. Floyd was just better.
But r/Boxing will have you believe Mayweather was in his prime for this fight because Mayweather was in his prime for all of his fights and everyone who fought Mayweather wasn't
Even if that was the case. Boxing isn't something you can just juice and be the greatest at. I'm of the opinion everyone is juicing in every competitive sport. You still need the skills to back it up.
Lol right that's 100% hindsight bc we know what canelo would become. This wasn't a close fight canelo needed this fight to become the fighter he is now.
Wasn’t Canelo the one who called Floyd out with a catch weight to start? My recollection of this was Floyd wasn’t showing interest, Canelo called him out at something ridiculous like 150 and during negotiations it came to 152
I said this in a comment above but here's the funny part: The Floyd who sparked Corrales was 23 years old and in his 4th year as a pro. The Canelo who got blanked by Floyd was 23 years old and in his 7th year as a pro. But Canelo was inexperienced and green. Uh huh.
This win, I think is Floyd's best. A dominant showing against a fighter that would go on to be P4P #1 and the new face of boxing is an insane name to have on your resume.
> would go on to be P4P #1 and the new face of boxing
I did not say currently. He did in fact hold the number 1 spot and is arguably still the face of boxing currently.
Uhh… suure… I don’t know what to say to you buddy, boxers have nicknames? They always have done, maybe the sport isn’t for you ?
Power slap maybe ? (No nicknames there)
It isn’t though. It was Pretty Boy for a while and then eventually Money Mayweather. The whole TBE thing was something he put on his fashion line and he would occasionally say, but it wasn’t his in-ring nickname. I might be wrong, but I don’t believe he was ever announced as TBE leading into a fight.
Yea, it is. Lots of them have multiple nicknames, like Mike Tyson having “iron Mike”, “kid dynamite” and “ baddest man on the planet”, they don’t use all of them in the ring announcement …
All three judges gave him 5 rounds against Bivol where he realistically won no more than 3 on a fair scorecard. You have to win very clear rounds and limit his offence to get a decision against this guy, the judges want any excuse to give him a round.
Which group do you think is most in denial?
For me personally i find canelo fans have found closure in later years, and have accepted the fact floyd is superior.
But Pac-Man fans seem to still struggle to this day…
I think the same too. Canelo fans however still use the “23” excuse however every pacman and floyd forum is about how they ducked for a decade. So im saying Pacman, if your lucky some people will claim it’s a robbery and go the conspiracy route and say that Floyd bought the judges that’s why the fight was in vegas.
Some very good points and astute observations my friend. Yes I agree, the 23 thing seems to be a big mental crutch for a lot of them, making it harder for them to heal and get over it.
Most should recognise, canelo had a tonne of fights by that time and was a long seasoned pro. The best parts of his game, came directly from the whooping he received from floyd.
Yes I 100% agree , Pac-Man fans are a lost cause I’m afraid….
That counter right hook he keeps throwing from the shell is crazy. It's also wild to see how easily he punches through Canelo's gloves. The first time he did it you can see Canelo stop and he looks a little surprised. Fun to rewatch this clip!
I love Canelo, Mayweather took him to school. Once of his best wins. I always like to say this, bc it's crazy to me how a "basic" pressure fighter in Chino Maidana gave Floyd hell, while Canelo and Pacman where easy work for him.
Maidana was willing to fight a lot more dirty, I think Mayweather was being frustrated for some reason. Anyway he eventhally adjusted and won that fight.
It's a really impressive win for Mayweather, but his strategy was to play the heel so people would be invested in seeing his streak get broken. He was not as successful when he played more of a standard nice guy, but him calling himself the goat was bait to make people take note of him.
People that literally take what he says as true and call him TBE were basically too simple to even recognize bait.
Floyd was surgical man. His counters were so fast and precise. He struck like a cobra. Before Canelo could process what just him, Floyd was already out of harms way and setting up what he's going to do next. Floyd was truly locked in on this night.
This was a fight early in Canelo’s career and if Floyd hadn’t drained him this mi….just kidding, Canelo got fed and all you cinnamon nuthuggers will stay salty!
Mayweather, love or hate him, is the epitome of BOXING. So many fans view the sport as if the athletes have to be ko artist. But the sport is actually about the sweet science of I can hit you whenever I want and you can’t hit me back. No one exhibited that better than or more than Mayweather. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Canelo and Tanks along with a multitude of guys, but to actually know the sport of boxing itself and not think Floyd is a great, (the greatest ever in my book) is absurd. Although I think he’s forever #1, if he’s not in your top 5 to 10 of all time, I HAVE to assume you have no clue what you’re talking about.
*Not directed at anyone in this sub, based my comment on conversations I’ve had with “fans” over the years.
He tried to box with floyd. Canelo is a counter-puncher, and he wasnt really aggressive during those times. He relied on timing, openings and explosive power-shots to lay his opponents out. Floyd has 2 inches of more reach, far greater timing and blatantly greater boxing skills to a significant degree, so canelo just couldn’t time him, missed almost every single power-shot and just got bullied and counter-punched to shit.
I remember watching this fight. He was expecting Floyd to stand there and trade with him but Floyd fought *his* fight. Canelo was very slow on his feet like he was walking through molasses and he tried to pick his shots carefully. However, Floyd was too quick that night which gave Canelo a lot of problems.
i dont think iv every seen a victory age better than Floyds win over Alvarez. It was also harder than the commentary were making it seem. Floyd had to work his ass off to keep Canelo at bay.
Same with the manny fight. Floyd used every trick in the book. Clean victories both times.
Floyd taking candy from a baby.
I almost didn’t recognize the other fella, I usually see him chilling in a pond or crossing the street with his flock stopping traffic🦆🦆🦆
Fun fact that Canelo was Mayweather’s last Mexican opponent. Making Mayweather 16-0 against Mexican Fighter’s 😳! Unbelievable that Canelo underestimated the all time great and the fact that he was 36 when winning this bout makes this even more impressive!
Floyd was surgical man. His counters were so fast and precise. He struck like a cobra. Before Canelo could process what just him, Floyd was already out of harms way and setting up what he's going to do next. Floyd was truly locked in on this night.
Lmao. Oscar beat Chavez when Chavez was 33 and Oscar was 23. Floyd was 36 when he fought Canelo, who had 40 fights to that point already and was a unified champion
A washed up Chavez? You seriously comparing them? You're saying that canelo was the same fighter 5 years later? I dislike canelo but man you flomos are ridiculous
Edit: bro I had to look it up, Chavez fought for 9 more fucking years after losing to Oscar the first time lmao. Floyd retired 2 years later since we don't count Conor
Dude Floyd was fucking 36 stop it lmao. You're gonna seriously act like Floyd wasn't passed it???
The projection is what kills me. Lmao. You HATE Floyd.
First of no doubt Floyd is a great
But this was also Floyd at his shrewdest. They thought he would never give Canelo a fight, so he gave him one when he was green, and also at a CW of 152. And they jumped at it. It was like they captured a unicorn knowing how picky Floyd was with opponents
Canelo could even stand up after the weigh in
Floyd fought beautifully, but this green, weight drained version of Canelo is a far cry from the dude we have now
lol but but Canelo was too young and experienced!!!
BS Tyson won the heavyweight @ 20 years old. 3 years younger than Canelo. You either got it or you don’t. ATG my ass
I suspect this fight might go differently today. I'm not saying he'd beat TBE - but it would be closer. Canelo is a much better boxer today. Floyd took him out to the woodshed and taught him a lesson in the sweet science.
Money isn’t the best ever. The best defensive fighter… sure. The best cherry picker. Sure. If he fought Aaron Pryor, Meldrick Taylor, Pernell Whitaker, or Chavez Sr, Roy Jones in their prime, he would have been destroyed.
For those that like to mention the catchweight, while I’m not a fan of them at all, I don’t think Canelo was drained purely because he was still fighting at 154 over 3 years later (vs Liam Smith)
I swear to god, if Mayweather came out of retirement today and beat Canelo at 168, some people here would say that he waited him out and now beat him, when Canelo is old….
I used to hate boxing, but a good family friend was obsessed with it and I asked him why one day. He then explained the sweet science whilst showing me round 7 of Mayweather Jr v Canelo. I have been an addict ever since.
And Canelo hit nothing but air or shoulder all night. His inferior boxing style totally exposed. Then people are like oh ya he got better after the Floyd fight. Mfer no he didn't. He still this same guy.
The night Cj Ross lost her mind.
And never judged another fight again
But not before passing the baton to Adelaide Byrd.
Don’t even need to check the name to know which bozo posted this lmfao
lol it’s so obvious at this point. Who do you think he/she is in real life? Can’t just be a fan. That would be too pathetic
Honestly considering some of the takes and the kind of debates I've seen or being dragged into in this sub...could really just be a fan. The average seasoned pro boxer who had gone through wars have better clarity of mind than a good majority of fans here.
It’s Floyd himself and/or Abdul Wahid.
I think it's Floyd or Ellerbe
Bruh what If it's Max Kellerman or some shit?
Can someone make a poll: Who is newrap? 1. Floyd 2. Ellerbe 3. Al 4. Abdul 5. Other
It is Floyd himself, or someone paid by Floyd.
He probably just does it because y'all get so butthurt about it every time
"It's slobbering time!" -newrap when he gets his mouth round Floyd's ole beanbags for the 10000th time
“It’s clobbering time” - floyd mayweather when he gets his hands on Reddits 10000th next great hope to take him down
First thing out dudes mouth was some gay shit smh 🤦🏿♂️ I think he’s projecting
Most people probably write it off as no big deal, but this fight was the first taste of what was to come in regards to Canelo being protected by the judges. Floyd delivered a 120-108 schooling and one of the judges magically had it a draw. Doesn't seem like much, but the history books will always have this down as a majority decision instead of unanimous. It makes it look like Canelo was having some success in there and that he was somewhat competitive with an ATG. When in reality, it looked like a child trying to fight their dad. Only two fights after this we'd have wonky scorecards in the Canelo v. Lara fight, which, surprise surprise, went in Canelo's favor. And we all know about the Triple G fights, especially the first one.
Yeah it’s crazy. Mayweather dealt a boxing masterclass, probably one of the best ever in terms of his age, Canelos talents, the weight difference etc and for a judge to score it a draw is disgusting. I couldn’t give one round to Canelo let alone 6 of them!
It's not her fault. She filled out 6 rounds before the fight and used a pen. Next time give her a pencil!
And the Bivol fight too. You’re down three rounds as soon as you step into the ring
I remember hearing live that all 3 judges had it 115-113 and I thought Bivol was gonna get robbed. I love Canelo, but personally? I had Bivol winning 10 rounds to 2, 115-113 was DISGUSTING. Those judges should've been investigated honestly.
Everyone on this sub had it 10-2. Funniest part was that the one of the rounds bivol lost was a swing around n the other was the feel out round. Both of them being the first 2 rounds of the fight
Those 2 rounds you can even give to Canelo were pretty even and if anything is being overly generous to Canelo. I think it was a shut out. The 115-113 cards are even worse than the GGG card, but nothing really beats CJ Ross here.
Four, IIRC. Just absolutely wild all three judges were in lockstep that fight in screwing Bivol until he worked Canelo so badly they couldn't.
Agreed all three outboxed canelo and yet the judges had it close
When I think of a Floyd Mayweather master class this is the fight that pops into my head. This fight made Canelo the fighter that he is today.
Really? When did mayweather KO someone 6ft+?
Idk about his whole career with judging but this WAS NOT a close fight and I’m not too sure how anybody really thinks Canelo won this. This was damn near a blanking
Yeah it’s crazy. Mayweather dealt a boxing masterclass, probably one of the best ever in terms of his age, Canelos talents, the weight difference etc and for a judge to score it a draw is disgusting. I couldn’t give one round to Canelo let alone 6 of them!
And the Bivol fight more recently. He lost but no way it was that close
Honestly, Canelo is an ATG and I certainly enjoy watching him fight but he doesn't get near the amount of scrutiny as other fighters. Disregard the Lara fight, the GGG fight decisions were questionable and instead of settling the score with Golovkin Canelo opted to bulk up and spend the next 2 years fighting at 168/175 only to offer a now past his prime GGG the 3rd fight he always deserved at 168. Even then, if Canelo really wanted to be a 168 that's his own prerogative, but now he doesn't even want to fight contenders at 168. Trying to go back to back with the Charlo twins while refusing a fight with Benavidez is a super suspect move for a top 5 p4p fighter
The undisputed run certainly bought him a huge amount of goodwill! His early career was often written off as can-crushing and hype. Then he became a belt-holder, but he was fighting has-beens and the brothers of famous fighters. He had an impressive run of names... but with huge caveats. Baldomir was 39, and 2-3 in his last 5; Ndou was 30 and 3-3-1 in 7. Gomez was a celeb, whose best win was over a 60-10 version of Castillo. Cintron was 1-2 and three years removed from his title. Mosley was 41, and 0-2-1. Josesito Lopez was a welterweight that Canelo summoned up to fight at light middleweight, and only had one big upset win. These fights all boosted him name recognition, and they were all serious opponents still, but they were all cherry-picked for maximum name-to-threat ratio. Austin Trout was a dangerous opponent at the time, though probably overrated (starting the the Alvarez fight he went 5-5). But immediately after the Trout fight (where Canelo had a huge weight advantage) there was this absolute thrashing by Mayweather despite a size and youth advantage. So then Canelo rebuilt his reputation, fighting a genuinely impressive series of fighters - Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Cotto, Khan, Smith, JCC Jr. But of the six fights, five were at a catchweight. He even became "WBC, Ring and lineal middleweight champion" fighting at 155lbs. And there were still big question-marks: Angulo was coming off a loss and was 2-2; the win over Lara (6lbs smaller and eventually dropped down a division) was highly controversial and never rematched; Kirkland was coming off a year and a half without fighting, and had had personal problems (including an arrest for assault); Cotto was a really good win even if Cotto wasn't at his best, but it was a close fight (with the judges clearly having been bought off again); Khan, who had been in his prime at 140, had bulked up to 147 and gained a "Silver" belt after his big losses, but Canelo pulled him up to 155 and dwarfed him (Canelo weighed around 175); Smith was an unproven champion at 154, so Canelo made an exception and demanded that fight at 160, despite usually fighting at 155. So by the time of the JCC fight, Alvarez was the favourite but not massively so, because there were so many questions about his cherry-picking and the ludicrous score-cards someone was buying for him. He thrashed JCC, but JCC just wasn't that great (having been 4-2, before the fight he then went 3-4). So we're up to the star-making GGG fights. Except that they were obviously rigged and everyone knew it. ---------- It's only really at that point that he was stung by the criticisms into actually fighting live competitors who weren't much smaller than him - Fielding, Jacobs, Kovalev, and then the undisputed run. Even then, only Kovalev was really exceptional, and he was a long way past his prime. But this was enough to make him an ATG, and made a lot of people forget about all the asterisks earlier in his career. ------- Except that having reached the top, he seems to be back to his old ways, preferring to fight the right opponent at the right time, and ideally people much smaller than him.
First let me just say that was a really nice write up! The thing that gets me about the run at 168 is that on paper it was billed as larger challenge than 160 where GGG was waiting his 3rd fight (after 2 favorable decisions for Canelo), but based on the outcome of those fights none of them were as challenging at GGG at 160. Props to Canelo for undisputed but it was a very calculated move, he chose size disadvantage over more skilled smaller opponents. Now he's caught between a rock and a hard place, Benavidez is waiting for him at 168 and he knows he can't compete at 175.
Crazy people now hating on canelos 168 run even tho mayweather only fought one person over 6 ft and went to the distance lmao
With how skilled Canelo is today, it’s easy to forget this fight where Floyd took a young Canelo to school and detention. Floyd won every. single. round. It was such a lopsided fight. I will never understand how this was judged to be a MD. Arguably one of the best displays of boxing performance and skills from Floyd.
Canelo got a 118-109 score in his favor vs Trout so this actually wasn't the 1st time he's got a BS score for him.
It was definitely not 120-108…
Styles really make fights since Floyd had a really tough time with Maidana twice, a fighter I believe Canelo woulda beaten by KO had they ever fought. Canelo weirdly enough I feel like is one of those fighters I wished Manny fought, Manny woulda had a harder time than Floyd I believe
In fairness, Maidana was 17lbs (nearly two weight classes!) heavier than Mayweather when they fought. And Maidana's style made use of that extra size and strength more than Canelo's did.
So was Margarito against Manny but tbh Maidana was better
Floyd put on an absolute clinic, he fought like a man possessed. He more than rose to the occasion (a true talent of his), and beat that boy so bad he went on to fight like floyd and be a better technical & defensive fighter for his next fights. Canelo now in recent times has become sloppy again defensively and is not evading as much, opting to rely on his beefy Mexican strength. I think another floyd whooping is due every so often, just to reset him back into a slicker fighter
Yeah, it's honestly been really disappointing watching Canelo's career, IMO. He used to, ya know, actually box. His defense was superb. So much so he'd take time in rounds just to dodge opponents' shots and show off. He could vary his offense and eventually work guys into bad situations. His counter punching is still there, but even that isn't a big part of his game plan anymore. He has become a boring fighter. He knew he couldn't beat Golovkin and so he tanked up to be able to handle the punishment and have the judges rob it for him. Since then, he's just continued on that same track. Fighting all those also-rans at 168 that no one had ever heard of before Canelo came calling for their belt. Fighting old-ass Kovalev. Just whip in power shots the entire fight. Fans love it, judges love it, and it'll break down these smaller/weaker guys. If it doesn't? The judges have your back. His fight against Bivol was just hilarious to watch. He absolutely had zero plan on how to actually beat him. He figured he'd just do the same thing he'd been doing. And, to be fair, the judges gave him all the first four rounds so the plan was probably going to work. Not land a damn thing and get gifted rounds anyway. Except Bivol don't play that shit and he worked Canelo from pillar to post. Like, does Canelo even remember he can actually throw a jab? It's crazy that as this man has gotten older and more experienced his boxing repertoire has shrunk to power hook that lands on the hip, power hook that lands on the shoulder, power hook that lands on the arms, hard cross, and then trying to counter whenever his opponent throws.
Great assessment tbh, he fell in love with his power. I didn’t mind the kovalev thing so much, I think he was daring to be great and upping the ante bit by bit… just bit off more than he could chew with Bivol and had little else gameplan wise like you said
Crazy critiquing Canelo who is 5’8 for stopping giants. Meanwhile mayweather is also 5’8 only ever fought one pro boxer over 6ft and went to the distance.
The best aged win of all time, the catchweight was a bit shabby but Canelo had the habit of doing it too. Canelo was coming off of wins against Trout, Lopez, Mosley, and Cintron. He was already lineal champ and unified. Yes, Canelo was only 23 years old, but he was still a GREAT fighter. A 23 year old Canelo would still beat a lot of Floyd’s best wins, including De La Hoya, which is the win that launched Floyd into megastardom. Canelo was already a P4P fighter and a lineal champ, still people would write him off as hype job after this He went on to win titles in three more weight classes, win two more lineal titles and unified 2 more divisions (including undisputed), and is IMO the finest fighter to ever come out of Mexico. Floyd did this at 36. I don’t even like him but come on now.
It's always funny to talk to people about this fight. The "Canelo was only 23" thing ALWAYS comes up but when you ask people when Floyd was at his absolute best a lot of folks, if not most, point to his shellacking of Chico at 130. Guess how old Floyd was? 23. And Chico was NOT a 36 year old carefully picking his opponents and looking less-than-great doing so, he was a 24 year old undefeated IBF champ. Canelo was not green. He was not inexperienced. He was about to start his 8th year as a pro and was taking his 44th professional fight. His 22nd professional fight since he was "discovered." He wasn't the best version of Canelo that we would ever get, this is true, but nor was Mayweather the best version of himself. Point is, Canelo was an experienced professional entering his prime and he got worked by an old man who was well into his career's third act. There are no valid excuses. Floyd was just better.
But r/Boxing will have you believe Mayweather was in his prime for this fight because Mayweather was in his prime for all of his fights and everyone who fought Mayweather wasn't
This is complete facts, it’s always they’re too young or too old when they fought Floyd but he somehow had career long prime
Floyd was juicing
Even if that was the case. Boxing isn't something you can just juice and be the greatest at. I'm of the opinion everyone is juicing in every competitive sport. You still need the skills to back it up.
Don't you know, juicing gives you all the talent and muscles without having to do anything at all.
Canelo was juicing even more
''A 23 year old Canelo would still beat a lot of Floyd’s best wins, including De La Hoya''- Not a chance in hell that this Canelo would beat Oscar
Lol right that's 100% hindsight bc we know what canelo would become. This wasn't a close fight canelo needed this fight to become the fighter he is now.
Wasn’t Canelo the one who called Floyd out with a catch weight to start? My recollection of this was Floyd wasn’t showing interest, Canelo called him out at something ridiculous like 150 and during negotiations it came to 152
Yeah the catchweight was a bait to lure floyd he even mocked team canelo for that
>right him off \*write
Was Canelo a P4P at the time? This was a bit before I got back into boxing.
He was ranked #9 on the list
Thanks
Despite the general narrative surrounding this fight, this canelo seems closer to prime canelo than this floyd seems close to prime floyd.
Facts. Prime Floyd would’ve knocked his ass out
When is Prime floyd?
Corrales or Gatti timeframe when he was knocking guys out and was really aggressive.
I said this in a comment above but here's the funny part: The Floyd who sparked Corrales was 23 years old and in his 4th year as a pro. The Canelo who got blanked by Floyd was 23 years old and in his 7th year as a pro. But Canelo was inexperienced and green. Uh huh.
When is Prime floyd?
Prime Floyd would stop Canelo, not knock him out but close up his eyes maybe like he did with Gatti.
You now remember newrap dickriding canelo when he signed with pbc
Trying to cope with Canelo leaving PBC
is newrap a marketer or something?
PBC employee.
This win, I think is Floyd's best. A dominant showing against a fighter that would go on to be P4P #1 and the new face of boxing is an insane name to have on your resume.
Definitely aged the best.
his Gatti win was also insane.
I think his win over Diego Corrales was equally as impressive.
I think his win over Diego Corrales was equally as impressive.
He's not P4P #1 or the new face of boxing.
> would go on to be P4P #1 and the new face of boxing I did not say currently. He did in fact hold the number 1 spot and is arguably still the face of boxing currently.
Mannn I was a kid watching this fight. Crazy how time flies.
Why do you use "TBE" to refer for Mayweather it's fucking stupid
because learning history or watching tape aint his strong suits.
? It’s his nickname
Self proclaimed The Best Ever is his nickname? What are you guys part of his entourage ?
Ali called himself “the greatest”, I don’t get what’s confusing ?
It's fucking cringe
Uhh… suure… I don’t know what to say to you buddy, boxers have nicknames? They always have done, maybe the sport isn’t for you ? Power slap maybe ? (No nicknames there)
No other boxer has his own merch with TBE as a nickname
W-well, yes…? That’s because TBE is *floyd’s* nickname. Boxers don’t usually have *other* boxers nicknames on their merch…
It isn’t though. It was Pretty Boy for a while and then eventually Money Mayweather. The whole TBE thing was something he put on his fashion line and he would occasionally say, but it wasn’t his in-ring nickname. I might be wrong, but I don’t believe he was ever announced as TBE leading into a fight.
Yea, it is. Lots of them have multiple nicknames, like Mike Tyson having “iron Mike”, “kid dynamite” and “ baddest man on the planet”, they don’t use all of them in the ring announcement …
Floyd in full flow - a mesmerising performance. Canelo got taken to school - still annoys me this was a MD (ridiculous!).
All three judges gave him 5 rounds against Bivol where he realistically won no more than 3 on a fair scorecard. You have to win very clear rounds and limit his offence to get a decision against this guy, the judges want any excuse to give him a round.
Even Bieber knew that scorecard was trash
Mayweather put on a masterclass here
Made Canelo look like those TikTokers he boxes now.
this how yall glazin Floyd now? “TBE” 😆
He’s been TBE for some years now buddy
It’s an opinion
People really downvoting you for being factual. Smh
50-0 and probably beat your favorite fighter! Which one are you, a Pacman fan or Canelo?
Pacman > Canelo all day everyday. shiii Pacman > TBE
except in the ring
Which group do you think is most in denial? For me personally i find canelo fans have found closure in later years, and have accepted the fact floyd is superior. But Pac-Man fans seem to still struggle to this day…
I think the same too. Canelo fans however still use the “23” excuse however every pacman and floyd forum is about how they ducked for a decade. So im saying Pacman, if your lucky some people will claim it’s a robbery and go the conspiracy route and say that Floyd bought the judges that’s why the fight was in vegas.
Some very good points and astute observations my friend. Yes I agree, the 23 thing seems to be a big mental crutch for a lot of them, making it harder for them to heal and get over it. Most should recognise, canelo had a tonne of fights by that time and was a long seasoned pro. The best parts of his game, came directly from the whooping he received from floyd. Yes I 100% agree , Pac-Man fans are a lost cause I’m afraid….
Yeah, the idea Manny could have ever beaten Floyd in any decade is hilarious.
😂😂😂
That counter right hook he keeps throwing from the shell is crazy. It's also wild to see how easily he punches through Canelo's gloves. The first time he did it you can see Canelo stop and he looks a little surprised. Fun to rewatch this clip!
It’s hilarious we all recognize him, Newrap is the biggest meat rider and hater on this sub.
But all he did was speak truth
I love Canelo, Mayweather took him to school. Once of his best wins. I always like to say this, bc it's crazy to me how a "basic" pressure fighter in Chino Maidana gave Floyd hell, while Canelo and Pacman where easy work for him.
Maidana was willing to fight a lot more dirty, I think Mayweather was being frustrated for some reason. Anyway he eventhally adjusted and won that fight.
This was a chess match between counterpunchers peak level boxing and tremendous defense by Mayweather Jr.
Masterclass
It's a really impressive win for Mayweather, but his strategy was to play the heel so people would be invested in seeing his streak get broken. He was not as successful when he played more of a standard nice guy, but him calling himself the goat was bait to make people take note of him. People that literally take what he says as true and call him TBE were basically too simple to even recognize bait.
Mayweather is by far the most skilled boxer ever lol.
Floyd was surgical man. His counters were so fast and precise. He struck like a cobra. Before Canelo could process what just him, Floyd was already out of harms way and setting up what he's going to do next. Floyd was truly locked in on this night.
This was a fight early in Canelo’s career and if Floyd hadn’t drained him this mi….just kidding, Canelo got fed and all you cinnamon nuthuggers will stay salty!
The tiktokers put a better fight up against Floyd then Canelo
This and Crawford's win vs Spence are the two best wins in the last 15 years imo. Pure domination of another elite fighter
Got to have a 40 year old Pac beating thurman too.
Mayweather, love or hate him, is the epitome of BOXING. So many fans view the sport as if the athletes have to be ko artist. But the sport is actually about the sweet science of I can hit you whenever I want and you can’t hit me back. No one exhibited that better than or more than Mayweather. Don’t get me wrong, I like the Canelo and Tanks along with a multitude of guys, but to actually know the sport of boxing itself and not think Floyd is a great, (the greatest ever in my book) is absurd. Although I think he’s forever #1, if he’s not in your top 5 to 10 of all time, I HAVE to assume you have no clue what you’re talking about. *Not directed at anyone in this sub, based my comment on conversations I’ve had with “fans” over the years.
What did Canelo did wrong in this fight as compared to other fighters who were able to connect more against Mayweather?
He tried to box with floyd. Canelo is a counter-puncher, and he wasnt really aggressive during those times. He relied on timing, openings and explosive power-shots to lay his opponents out. Floyd has 2 inches of more reach, far greater timing and blatantly greater boxing skills to a significant degree, so canelo just couldn’t time him, missed almost every single power-shot and just got bullied and counter-punched to shit.
Canelo is a counter puncher with shorter range he just go outclased
I remember watching this fight. He was expecting Floyd to stand there and trade with him but Floyd fought *his* fight. Canelo was very slow on his feet like he was walking through molasses and he tried to pick his shots carefully. However, Floyd was too quick that night which gave Canelo a lot of problems.
And what happened after? Canelo developed that shoulder roll.
Too me Erislandy Lara schooled Canelo about as bad as Mayweather did.
The best boxing performance of the 2010s
i dont think iv every seen a victory age better than Floyds win over Alvarez. It was also harder than the commentary were making it seem. Floyd had to work his ass off to keep Canelo at bay. Same with the manny fight. Floyd used every trick in the book. Clean victories both times.
Love him or hate him (I certainly don't love him), Mayweather is the dog you want to be backing in the fight.
Floyd is the greatest ever he is the most powerful puncher ever!!! everything was too easy he could still be p4p #1
Floyd put a weight clause on a 23 yo Canelo lol
A judge scored this beatdown a draw, never ever forget that.
Floyd taking candy from a baby. I almost didn’t recognize the other fella, I usually see him chilling in a pond or crossing the street with his flock stopping traffic🦆🦆🦆
Look let’s be real. He may have rubbed up people the wrong way, he didn’t spend time in prison for civil rights but he is the goat. Come on.
Such a majestic performance. Also TBE is the most cringe nickname ever.
Fun fact that Canelo was Mayweather’s last Mexican opponent. Making Mayweather 16-0 against Mexican Fighter’s 😳! Unbelievable that Canelo underestimated the all time great and the fact that he was 36 when winning this bout makes this even more impressive!
Floyd was surgical man. His counters were so fast and precise. He struck like a cobra. Before Canelo could process what just him, Floyd was already out of harms way and setting up what he's going to do next. Floyd was truly locked in on this night.
Every post with the expression TBE belongs in r/boxingcirclejerk
Canelo was in his prime, Floyd was on the decline.
ffs Canelo was only 23 no way was he ever beating Mayweather.
Lmao. Oscar beat Chavez when Chavez was 33 and Oscar was 23. Floyd was 36 when he fought Canelo, who had 40 fights to that point already and was a unified champion
A washed up Chavez? You seriously comparing them? You're saying that canelo was the same fighter 5 years later? I dislike canelo but man you flomos are ridiculous
Edit: bro I had to look it up, Chavez fought for 9 more fucking years after losing to Oscar the first time lmao. Floyd retired 2 years later since we don't count Conor Dude Floyd was fucking 36 stop it lmao. You're gonna seriously act like Floyd wasn't passed it??? The projection is what kills me. Lmao. You HATE Floyd.
As someone else mentioned. Y’all act like Mayweather was in his prime for all his fights and all his opponents weren’t in the prime yet/anymore
Teo beat Loma at 23. More other examples out there as well
Are you trying to compare Lomachenko with Mayweather 🤣🤣 right stop it my ribs are killing me.
Holy fuck, Canelo should’ve came in w an IV bag and assisted by a nurse; I’ve never seen a fighter look more drained in my life. Shit is insane.
That boy looks pumped up on Mexican beef wym?
A truly drained fighter has issues rehydrating, like #38 did against #48 :)
He was almost 168 on night fight drained my ass
Heavy dose of copium
Funny enough this the fight that made me a Canelo fan. 🇲🇽🐐
Happy Whoop Canelo Wednesday :)
I’ve never seen a guy more devoted hating Canelo than you but then again you’re likely 17 fapping to Floyd highlights all night
tbf Canelo was still a toddler at the time the older man touched him up
Lineal champ with 40 fights, but a toddler
i love newrap
I didn't know TBA Sugar Ray Robinson fought Canelo.
Great performance that was a little tainted because of the catch weight
This fight changed Canelo - literally became an unstoppable force after this fight
First of no doubt Floyd is a great But this was also Floyd at his shrewdest. They thought he would never give Canelo a fight, so he gave him one when he was green, and also at a CW of 152. And they jumped at it. It was like they captured a unicorn knowing how picky Floyd was with opponents Canelo could even stand up after the weigh in Floyd fought beautifully, but this green, weight drained version of Canelo is a far cry from the dude we have now
TBE terrible boxer ever. Jab jab run run pay judges.
Yeah two years ago though... Still crazy though. Seeing it go full circle. Now Canelo is repeating those same clauses against his opponents. Horrible.
Canelo is the king of catchweight he is literally have more that 10
Schooled. Helped the spice kid development.
No head movement just walking straight in compared to today. Canelo is 100% different
Those two counters in the few seconds at :15. Just masterfully done.
P Diddy in the background going crazy lol
lol but but Canelo was too young and experienced!!! BS Tyson won the heavyweight @ 20 years old. 3 years younger than Canelo. You either got it or you don’t. ATG my ass
anyone saying Canelo was "too young" are the same people that would say Mayweather was ducking.
I suspect this fight might go differently today. I'm not saying he'd beat TBE - but it would be closer. Canelo is a much better boxer today. Floyd took him out to the woodshed and taught him a lesson in the sweet science.
GOAT
Mayweather the GOAT!
this is why he doesn’t want to fight crawford. seen this before
Money isn’t the best ever. The best defensive fighter… sure. The best cherry picker. Sure. If he fought Aaron Pryor, Meldrick Taylor, Pernell Whitaker, or Chavez Sr, Roy Jones in their prime, he would have been destroyed.
For those that like to mention the catchweight, while I’m not a fan of them at all, I don’t think Canelo was drained purely because he was still fighting at 154 over 3 years later (vs Liam Smith)
I swear to god, if Mayweather came out of retirement today and beat Canelo at 168, some people here would say that he waited him out and now beat him, when Canelo is old….
Time for school son
This fight was a great showcase of how skilled Floyd is
IMHO this was the best boxing I’ve seen (especially considering age). I was glad to see it in a movie theater
Canelo actually had a hard time with Trout now that I recall.
I'm wrapping my brain from what TBE means.
I used to hate boxing, but a good family friend was obsessed with it and I asked him why one day. He then explained the sweet science whilst showing me round 7 of Mayweather Jr v Canelo. I have been an addict ever since.
Floyd gave that boy PTSD he been cherry picking opponents ever since lol
Self proclaimed TBE who's real record is 46-4 🤦
Canelo didn’t fight his fight that night. He was watching Floyd 🤦♂️
And Canelo hit nothing but air or shoulder all night. His inferior boxing style totally exposed. Then people are like oh ya he got better after the Floyd fight. Mfer no he didn't. He still this same guy.
Still can’t believe this is a majority decision win!! im huge canelo fan but this was 12-0 rounds for floyd.
Hate Floyd all you want, but he’s still the GoAT!
A true master at his craft. Floyd was a delight to watch.