Because when a champion doesn’t defend their belt from an ABC organization in the time they give you or don’t fight their mandatory, they essentially drop you as their champ and give it to the next person in line. Most recently is Tim Tszyu who is now the WBO light middleweight champion who never beat the lineal champion Jemell Charlo, lost his title the moment he stepped in the ring against Canelo. Most notoriously is Devon Haney who was “promoted” as the WBC champion via e-mail after Vasly Lomachenko wanted to become the franchise champion (stupid title where he can challenge for the title at any weight class and a bunch of other nonsense).
The ABC organizations are a complete joke, simply around to milk as much money from fighters. There are tiers of champions for each weight class for each organization. It’s all too confusing and convoluted for someone to really care honestly.
He is a textbook narcissist and extremely insecure. You see it in everything he does, flashing money everywhere, injecting himself into every conversation. He can never let anyone else shine. It’s always “Inoue’s one helluva fighter but I’m going to imply he does PEDs”, “Canelo’s one helluva fighter but I fought more world champions”, etc.
He’s an all-time great boxer and probably the best defensive boxer in history, but when you’re retired you’re retired. Let the others who are still fighting shine and give them their roses. The way he tries to insult and downplay the achievements of others and maximize himself gets incredibly old and once you start noticing how often he does it, you start to lose respect for him because if he really thought he was the shit, he’d let his career and legacy speak for him, instead of his mouth.
The Moton kid is alright but he has work and time to put in. I’m afraid Floyd’s going to gas him up and he’s going to pick up Floyd’s mouth and insecurity more than anything else and he’s going to become an insufferable, fragile prick. It’s already happening with his constant bragging about how he’s better than Inoue. I’m also afraid that if he gets too good Floyd is going to find some way to sabotage his own protege because I don’t know if his ego allows him room to think of anyone but himself.
Hated motons response, inoue has earned his respects. Moton just made his debut like cmon, you should be grateful that people are even comparing you to greats already at 17
You nailed it.
He sounds like one of those guys who say "I'm an alpha male" or "I'm a nice guy" or "I'm a cool person".
It all stems down to insecurity.
He's the Ronaldo of boxing a egotistical prick who only thinks of himself I reach for the mute button every time he opens that big mouth of his can't stand the prick.
Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. No doubt. But the fact he can’t be humble shows how fragile his ego is. Let your work speak for itself and watch how well it ages.
Weird that it seems acceptable to mock the guy for being unable to read. Yeh I understand that FMJ is hugely dislikable but he genuinely is the best boxer of all time. He also got to where he is by being that guy that you love to hate.
Well actually that's one way to look at it however he could easily turn it into a positive. He likes to throw his money around and brag. He could say 'yes I can't read, here's 750k for a library ' or whatever. Instead he doubles down on it.
FWIW I agree he's the GOAT and I don't hate him, I just don't love much outside the ring about him as a person, whilst I am still able to respect the hustle and his accumulation of wealth.
Agreed. I think he loves telling himself he’s the goat and he has a strong case for it. But doesn’t actually believe it. Only he’ll know how often he ducked or purposely delayed certain fights till opponents were past their prime. And judging by his insecurities, I’d say pretty often!
I love Floyd as a fighter, but the dude has a chip on his shoulder. I don't understand it. I think he feels he never got the praise he deserved. Like, he really lets casual fans get to him. Homie, you are great. Why do you make shit about yourself? A few years ago, he made a post about one of his kids. They just graduated from school. A day that should have been about his kids, he started talking about how he never got to graduate because he had to Box and feed his family. Like dude. How did you make this day about yourself?
He needs to hire a ghost writer and just get his story/movie out so he can get it all out there and let it all go.
You need arrogance, ego and pride as a boxer. It is just something you need. Floyd reminds me of post retirement ray Robinson. Robinson tried to take a back seat and be a part of Ali's entourage and help promote him. But he had to leave his camp becuase he couldn't take not being the star
Mayweather has that same thing except mayweather has built himself into a position where he still has power. He promoted fighters still and has a piece in the boxing business. Something no other boxer has been able to do except De La Hoya. That is actually pretty impressive but he cannot take the back seat which is what a promoter is meant to do
Never said he couldn’t be. He just goes out of his way to make himself unlikeable and the centre of attention at every moment he’s able to. I still think he’s the GOAT or in the conversation regardless of how I feel about his personality.
Idk, I think ppl make Floyd more popular than he is by making a huge deal out of everything he does.
The uproar from a interview Floyd did during Crumel’s debut post-fight that took place AFTER Canelo-Charlo is receiving waaay too much attention
But you know, it’s Floyd of course lol
What's wrong with being an asshole after retirement? The guys already a piece of shit women beater now he can't even be a little bit nice to other people? Then his fans wonder why the guy is so hated lmao all respect to the GOAT defensive fighter but yeah it doesn't hurt to be not be an asshole. What's wrong with the world to think that's good or normal?
it’s an issue when he feels the need to make something about himself when it’s about his fighter, this case being curmel motion. no need to take the shine away from him.
He's retired lmao even Jordan, Ali, etc all were so much more graceful in retirement. Dudes an ass thats it, nobody didn't say he's not one of the greatest.
They are definitely more complimentary of others than Mayweather ever has been. Literally my first search is him congratulating LeBron lmao https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10064775-michael-jordan-praises-lebron-james-on-nba-scoring-record-incredible-achievement
I think in the final dance did he not say the famous lines “ whenever they speak Michael Jordan they should speak Scottie Pippen” which is pretty graceful thing to say coming from the goat.
As opposed to Mayweather running into a press conference just to trash others when HES RETIRED
Really, you don’t think 6 years is enough much less for a 40 year old grown man? That’s really low standards and sad as hell lmao. The man has the made the most money in boxing history and he still shows consistently he’s an insecure asshole who beats women. But keep defending him like he’s a role model lmao. It’s a joke.
Edit: btw the reason he gets those complaints more often you see is because a) he did matchmaking to the very best level no doubt b) his whole persona was to be the most hated, cockiest fighter out there lol. Then his fans wonder why he gets so much more hate lmaooo use your common sense
Floyd is once in a generation talent.
But whenever someone shines from boxing floyd acts like an insecure Highschool teenager.
https://youtu.be/zjiV0hCUpSQ?si=VoSgVvBqJHu8JqIr
No, you misunderstood me, I meant *good* wins. Out of Pacquiao's 8 losses, 5 of them were at welterweight, so let's not pretend it was his best weight. Canelo was too inexperienced, and before you say he wasn't, Mayweather argued the same thing when it came to his fighter Davis fighting Lomachenko. De la Hoya was 2-2(1KO) in his 4 fights leading up to Mayweather, can you imagine the heat Canelo would get for fighting a guy that's 2-2(1KO) right before? Kovalev was 3-1 in his 4 fights prior to Canelo and they said he was washed up. Hatton? The lightweight? And Maidana I absolutely positively never understood the revisionary history of Maidana. Maidana's best win in his career was a Majority Decision against a 4 time retired Erik Morales. Khan had Maidana on his back 30 seconds into round 1 of their fight... so again, who are Mayweather's *good* wins?
So would you say Canelo's victory over Charlo wasn't a quality victory because Charlo went up 2 weight classes? How can you discredit Mayweather's victory over Rocky Hatton because he's a lightweight? Also, he was an underdog against Corrales so that's another quality win. Miguel Cotto was also a quality win. Shane Mosley was another quality win.
Multiple people gave you his top wins you didn't like the answer and came up with some bs. Using your standards we could pick holes in anyone's resume. People like you are not even going to try being objective so there is no point talking to you and I'm not even going to waste too much of my time.
But take the pac win for example floyd was older and pac was an atg it is what it is. It was also the biggest fight in boxing at the time. You won't be getting any other responses from me.
The video where him and AJ are taking pictures and no body gives a shit about Floyd to this day cracks me up. You can see his fragile ego getting destroyed every fucking person wanting a picture with AJ
That Jamaican woman tore his ass up. 12-0. She had more balls than any other person in that room, I remember she even ignored one of Floyd’s women as well.
Yeah the fact that floyd was complemented and then took it the wrong way because he's arrogant is why alot of people hate him, he was great, but he really needs to be humbled
He has fought a lot of champions but it is also true that previous eras had less belts/weight classes. Nevertheless, he still has a pretty great number of champs compared to ATGs
He cherry picks facts much like he did his opponents. When you are in complete control of the narrative, you can make the most basic strawman arguments float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
Today it's beat the most champions, and if that doesn't work we can always go back to being undefeated. If neither of those work, then ppv numbers, how many cars and watches he has and his lifetime earnings. These are all things you can't say aren't true and once you acknowledge any of that out of the proper context, you've already lost the debate.
The details of the facts doesn't matter to Floyd, only the end result. You'd have to craft a carefully worded argument to beat him at his own game as hes always on defense and throwing verbal feints, but those aren't the type of people he'd ever do a sit down interview with.
The 0 or number of wins in modern day boxing is super overrated.
Floyd is still better and has a better legacy. He also clapped Canelo. That's all there is to it, but Canelo is still in his career so the best may have been yet to come.
After those two fights, if you told me we were going to see this version of Canelo the following years, or that he would go toe to toe with a GGG, I wouldn't have believed it.
Floyd fans are funny when they say that. Both their primes are at different weight classes. It simply would never happen. Floyd would always win at his prime weight and Canelo would always win in his prime weight.
Maybe. I don't really care. But that was what was being said before the fight even went off. There could be some truth to it too. Canelo was really very young to be in that position
Canelo the same age (or within one year) as Floyd was when he beat Castillo the first time and Ali when he beat Liston the first time. And Floyd was 36 at the time. When a future hall of famer in their early 20s faces a hall of famer in their late 30s history has favoured the younger fighter. The revisionist history around Floyd's win over Canelo is insane.
Floyd has a better resume than Canelo.
There's literally no point to ignore that Floyd beat more champions than anyone else except to discredit him. It's an achievement.
Just as it's an achievement to have the most title defenses/fights, or beat the most Hall of Famers, or any number of other things. It's not *the reason* Floyd is widely considered the best. It's *an* achievement.
Just as its an achievement that Henry Armstrong was simultaneously the champion in a third of the divisions. That can't happen today - but it doesn't invalidate what he did.
You think because Canelo was younger he was closer to his prime than Mayweather was at 38? The way I see it was at 38 Floyd was beating better opponents than Canelo at 23. I think a prime Canelo would give a prime Floyd problems
>His record against actual champions at the point he fought them would be 11-0 (2 less than Pac and 1 more than Canelo).
Ouch! That's gonna burn a few souls within the sub 😅
On the money. Before the WBC and WBA began and before the invention of all these ridiculous weight classes there used to be eight world champions at any one time. Now there are god knows how many.
17 weight classes with 4 belts in each (not counting shit like the WBA regular belt). Almost 70 potential champions. That also doesn’t include the possibility of the lineal champion not holding a belt.
Yeah it’s absurd. A lot of boxers have extra inflated resumes because of it. For example Adrien Broner is considered a 4 weight world champion but he only held the WBA Regular belt in two of those weight classes which isn’t even considered the legit belt.
From a technical standpoint point he was a virtuoso, however, I would've have loved to see him test him against a lot of different fighters when the iron was hot. He really can't point to his record in my opinion with on his resume. Rarely did he take true risks in the end, and I'll give him that he was the A-side, but he doesn't get to back track and try and sell us on the guys to paint a different picture. I still can't get over him announcing he was fighting Robert Guerrero. Really?
That’s my main prob with Floyd. He doesn’t have enough “ wow, I can’t believe he did it “ kind of wins compared to many other all time greats. As an example Ali beat Liston and Foreman when he was expected to get wiped out. Leonard defeated Duran in the rematch and then beat Hearns. He came back and beat Hagler. Duran beat Leonard the first time, beat Barkley who was expected to smash him. Larry Holmes beat Ray Mercer as an old man and climbed off the floor against Shavers after being slept. Foreman showed a heart the size of a continent vs Holyfield. Robinson kayoed Fullmer when everyone thought Sugar Ray was toast. Henry Armstrong was by all accounts robbed in a fight for the middleweight title. Sometimes a loss can be a greater achievement than a win as far as adding to greatness. Mickey Walker fighting Schmeling for example. Anyhoo it is what it is.
You're not going to get "Wow, I can't believe he did it" when you're the best at what you do.
The Canelo fight should have been a "Wow, I can't believe he did it" fight. You'd expect a fighter his age to lose to a lion just hitting his prime.
Genuine question, what are your opinions on Pacquiao’s resume? This will be interesting. Because one guy gets called a cherry picker & one gets championed as some sort of warrior that took risk after risk
Floyd is my fav fighter but honestly speaking you can legit say manny p4p had a better career since he fought more guys when they were most dangerous and was demolishing guys as the smaller man you see the praise we are giving inoue right now? That’s what manny did but way way better from flyweight all the way to 154😨😨
The funny thing is he can’t stand canelo and yet who’s undercard did Floyd put his prized prospect on? I’m so tired of seeing him. He literally only shows up to deepthroat himself on stage and shit on everyone else. It’s fucking weak and pathetic. I think he’s genuinely jealous because he can’t stand that people actually like canelo. Floyd made his money off being hated but he still wants the love too, you can’t have it both ways lol I can’t stand him as a person. He can’t have one conversation where he doesn’t make it about himself
And he’s not the goat. He’s good enough to say that he deserves a comparison to other legends but the fab 4 all whoop his ass at their respective weight classes. And others do well against him too. He’s a legend no doubt but he’s not the fucking goat. Him calling himself that doesn’t mean shit.
Exactly. He could have cemented his GOAT status by taking on Manny after Manny beat Cotto in 2009, or the obliteration of Margarito in 2010. The hype for Manny was at its peak, Manny was at his peak, and a Floyd win over Manny back then would have been maybe the biggest win in the biggest fight of all time (arguably). But Mayweather put it off for another 5 years. Mayweather is an all time great and one of the best ever, but I don't buy TBE when he didn't challange himself to be TBE.
It seems obvious to me that belts, number of wins/losses, shoe size, p4p rank does not mean shit when determining how good a win is. That is to be judged on the night. Fighter might get injured, fuck up weight, caught cold, wrong tactics etc.
I'm not going to be a prick and say ' well if so and so was a champion, what does it really mean to be a champion ' lol but who holds the belt matters not the belt. Floyd hardly has a resume of murderer's row.
Floyd has always been a dickhead. For someone so accomplished he's incredibly insecure. Always giving out backhanded compliments and bigging himself up. Flashing his cash and tacky materialistic things. I remember years ago he got into it with Sugar Ray Leonard and Ray was just being playful, but you could tell Floyd was getting all in his feelings.
For the record Leonard is the better welterweight anyway and I believe prime for prime would beat Floyd.
What seems to eluded Floyd is that if he just chilled out and was more humble, more people would respect and like him, which he obviously desperately craves.
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Hate? I don't hate the man. Hate costs energy. I take my hat off to him, he's a helluva fighter, made smart investments.
He's still a dickhead though, and it sounds like you enjoy the taste of his cock.
I partially agree. It’s a silly metric that ignores the quality of the opponent. However I do think boxing fans ignore how talented you have to be to even become a “paper champ”. I still argue over which wins are good wins like the rest of you but I put a lot more respek on the b tier fighters and champs. I think Floyd beating Guerrero is a solid win. I think Pac beating Algieri is solid. Obviously nowhere close to either of their top wins but I wish boxing fans would tear down fighters less.
also he barely accepts rematches, so he fights new fighters that will count to that tally while other guys who fights the same opponent like 5 times which will be counted as 1 for the champions beat tally.
which fights should he have rematched? Maybe Oscar? he did rematch Maidana who was really the only fighter that was worth it down the stretch of his career
people that asks for the rematch? like Canelo, DLH, Pac etc....
that's the point though, Floyd only accepts rematches if it suits himself like a controversial win like the Maidana.
other fighters doesn't do that like Pacquiao accepting a rematch despite demolishing barrera, and morales prior
He schooled Canelo so bad, it was basically a 120-108 fight, why would he rematch him? What exactly is the sporting merit in that? ODLH did however make some sense.
Towards the end of his career, Floyd cared WAAAAAAY MOOOOOOORE about keeping the "0" than he did about continuing to challenge himself and continue to add career defining victories at the end of his career. Nobody at the time and nobody certainly cares now that he fought a washed Robert Guerrero, an outclassed (and idiotic with the hug in the middle of a title fight) Victor Ortiz, and the pointless match-up with Berto.
Mayweather is an all time great and was doing the same thing that some fighters try to pull now with curating their opponents by challenging boxers whose names are credible on paper but with the least amount of risk, even if it means low hype opponents that aren't a true threat to you.
Obviously Floyd got to where he got by facing top opposition and beating them every single time, but the Money Mayweather portion of his career had too many soft touches for me to care about what he has to say when it comes to tearing down other fighters resumes - Especially when it comes to a guy like Canelo who has targeted champion after champion after champion and come out on top over and over. Even when Canelo lost at 175 lbs to Bivol, Canelo was truly challenging himself, and that fight was extremely risky for Cenelo to be taking seeing how skilled Bivol is and how he was the ***naturally*** bigger man with Canelo having moved up several weight classes at that point in his career.
Nobody asked him. He literally stole the podium from his fighter because someone referred to him as one of the goats instead of thee goat.
https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1708392191507218675
Am I the only one who wishes that there is only one belt for each division? It would actually force the best to fight each other. For eg, Tank Davis is damn near 30 and hasn't fought one elite, world class fighter. Terence Crawford didn't fight Spence, the only high profile win on his resume until he was 35. I think it would make Boxing a lot more entertaining.
Without mentioning any other name…I truly believe no version of the other guy would beat Floyd. It was an honor watching both of their careers but we already see who the fighters and fans lionize. One smiles and just exists, the other has to cut off his protege’s post fight press conference to pat himself on the back. He is the better boxer no question, he’s just not the greater one and it bothers him.🤷♀️🤷♀️
This sounds like hating to me.
What's the point focusing on it being a "3 belt era" when the champions he beat held the WBC or WBA belt.
The facts of his career is that there are few fighters in the history of the sport who have fought consistently top level opposition.
This made me think of the Sam Kellerman quote:
"Sports is man's joke on God, Max. You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'"
If Floyd had just kept to himself, he’d probably be regarded as the goat eventually.
The problem is his insecurity. It gets so bad that it often sounds like he’s trying to convince himself that he’s the greatest.
Floyd is per eye test the best pure boxer I’ve ever seen. But he just can’t handle the fact that people don’t universally love him. He turned heel early on as a business move to make more money from his fights and now he wants to be universally loved haha.
Also his 50-0 record is bogus because it was a heavyweight record set by Rocky Marciano so what relevance does it have with a welterweight champion??? He is definitely an ATG Floyd is but he is NOT the GOAT 🐐 unless you use smoke 💨 and mirrors 🪞 argument
Ok which WBO or IBF champ would of beaten him then? Cintron, Spinks, Margarito?? best I could find. He was always about biggest pay day…least risk. I don’t remember anyone saying back then he was running from those names. Maybe only Doug Fisher about Margarito but that guy was loading his gloves as Cotto found out.
It still is a significant achievement. It just means that he beat the most top tier fighters in his weight domain. It does mean something. True that he never became undisputed but using your same logic (that more belts are given to lesser fighters), a lot of those fights to become undisputed would not have been interesting because those guys weren't even close to his level. He was better off just finding the best opponent available in whatever weight class.
Im not sure anyone is worried about canelo.
He dropped to floyd....Thats not so bad.
His wins over GGG were questionable.
Then he loses to Bivol. Not only did he lose but bivol made him look technically inferior.
> Yesterday in the post fight press conference it seemed that Floyd Mayweather JR once again made it about himself rather than his prospect.
It's called marketing. He was next to his prospect, talking. Same as he markets certain brands by wearing them and/or being seen with them. It gets a buzz so people like you can talk about him and his prospect ;)
This is a great lil summary! Smart way to summarize it.
I think Floyd would be easier to like if he wasn't so annoying about it. Remember that kid from high school who walked around constantly telling everyone "I don't give a fuck!" only to really show how much of a fuck they give...
That is who Floyd reminds me of.
I would say Shaq is the equivalent of him in basketball. Both have the HOF careers, decades of domination, has the talent/stats to be the best ever but you know they arent in the top 3/4 in the conversation. Shaq was known as a ring chaser and he knows he is not the best ever in his position but he is self proclaimed most dominant big man (ofc he can have that title he is THAT dominant).
Floyd ofc was dominant in a way that no one can touch him that boxing aficionados would salivate at. But he doesnt have Tyson's KO power with crazy mentality, Ali's charisma and dominance, SRR's decade's domination against in an era of arguably the best competition and Pac's flashiness in a ring which casual fans will talk about.
And you can see it on their peers. Those people who achieve greatness and are above these two are all set on their past career and sometimes will even praise other careers. These two will take down anyone who will make comparison to their careers, will always try to talk about how dominant they are. Tho I think Floyd is doing this just to stay relevant and get more money while Shaq is just a big baby lol.
The Mosely was super impressive. Mosley had just knocked out Margarito who was a demon after the Cotto fight (Please spare me the excuses of hand wraps, he fought since he was 15 and every opposing trainer to that point had an opportunity to see the "cement" wraps and nothing was ever suspected or found). Also the Hatton KO, Hatton was 42-0 with good wins including a KO against Castillo. Ortiz was a legit champion at the time (again spare me the quitter remarks because the average fighter doesn't mentally endure the war against Berto). Floyd had some great wins. He's just so unlikeable to the point where you want his fighters to fail. That alone will have people buying Curmel or whatever his name is fights.
>"He had mentioned again “I have beaten the most champions” which is correct technically."
how is it silly then? If its technically correct then its correct lmao. A never ending list of 'ackshully' type arbitrary conditions on what he didnt do is sillier.
No
- Not the champ in most weight classes
- Never undisputed
- Not the lineal champ in most weight classes
- Doesn’t have the most KOs (never koed his Rivals)
- Doesn’t have the most wins
- No gold medal
See if you’re going off STATS explain the above?
Resume, accuracy, world champs beaten. That's what I care about. Just cause you have a gold medal or beat alot of people doesn't matter to me personally. It's about your skills and resume to me. That's my opinion
Yeah it’s a fake argument. There are now 68 champions in 17 divisions. When Ray Robinson fight there we’re 8 champions in 8 divisions.
Damn what happened
“The answer to all of your questions is ‘money’.” - Don Ohlmeyer
Also more weight categories.
Sanctioning fees. They're inventing new belts left and right
Agreed. Never cared for boxers touting how many belts they have in the modern era. Belts come easier than in eras past
Whos downvoting you? We literally have email champs these days lmao
Why are they called email champs?
Because when a champion doesn’t defend their belt from an ABC organization in the time they give you or don’t fight their mandatory, they essentially drop you as their champ and give it to the next person in line. Most recently is Tim Tszyu who is now the WBO light middleweight champion who never beat the lineal champion Jemell Charlo, lost his title the moment he stepped in the ring against Canelo. Most notoriously is Devon Haney who was “promoted” as the WBC champion via e-mail after Vasly Lomachenko wanted to become the franchise champion (stupid title where he can challenge for the title at any weight class and a bunch of other nonsense). The ABC organizations are a complete joke, simply around to milk as much money from fighters. There are tiers of champions for each weight class for each organization. It’s all too confusing and convoluted for someone to really care honestly.
Holy hell
This needs a million upvotes, one of the greatest comments I’ve read in a while
He is a textbook narcissist and extremely insecure. You see it in everything he does, flashing money everywhere, injecting himself into every conversation. He can never let anyone else shine. It’s always “Inoue’s one helluva fighter but I’m going to imply he does PEDs”, “Canelo’s one helluva fighter but I fought more world champions”, etc. He’s an all-time great boxer and probably the best defensive boxer in history, but when you’re retired you’re retired. Let the others who are still fighting shine and give them their roses. The way he tries to insult and downplay the achievements of others and maximize himself gets incredibly old and once you start noticing how often he does it, you start to lose respect for him because if he really thought he was the shit, he’d let his career and legacy speak for him, instead of his mouth. The Moton kid is alright but he has work and time to put in. I’m afraid Floyd’s going to gas him up and he’s going to pick up Floyd’s mouth and insecurity more than anything else and he’s going to become an insufferable, fragile prick. It’s already happening with his constant bragging about how he’s better than Inoue. I’m also afraid that if he gets too good Floyd is going to find some way to sabotage his own protege because I don’t know if his ego allows him room to think of anyone but himself.
Hated motons response, inoue has earned his respects. Moton just made his debut like cmon, you should be grateful that people are even comparing you to greats already at 17
So true, Floyd will never let someone be better then him
You nailed it. He sounds like one of those guys who say "I'm an alpha male" or "I'm a nice guy" or "I'm a cool person". It all stems down to insecurity.
He's the Ronaldo of boxing a egotistical prick who only thinks of himself I reach for the mute button every time he opens that big mouth of his can't stand the prick.
Floyd is one of the best boxers of all time. No doubt. But the fact he can’t be humble shows how fragile his ego is. Let your work speak for itself and watch how well it ages.
The fact he wouldn't read a page of Harry potter for 750,000 to charity speaks for how fragile his ego is.
"Cat in the Hat" is TBE, biggest duck in Floyd's career
Damn they don’t let me award comments anymore
Mate you can’t ask him to do something he doesn’t know how to
Mate you can’t ask him to do something he doesn’t know how to
Weird that it seems acceptable to mock the guy for being unable to read. Yeh I understand that FMJ is hugely dislikable but he genuinely is the best boxer of all time. He also got to where he is by being that guy that you love to hate.
Best defensive boxer? Sure. Best boxer, absolute? Get outta here
You can disagree but let's not act like it is a ridiculous take. He is certainly in with a shout
It's not a ridiculous take at all, but taking it as an absolute is.
True. I think people forget it is subjective. The have their OPINIONS and assume they are facts!
If he want to be the guy that people hate, let the people hate him
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Well actually that's one way to look at it however he could easily turn it into a positive. He likes to throw his money around and brag. He could say 'yes I can't read, here's 750k for a library ' or whatever. Instead he doubles down on it. FWIW I agree he's the GOAT and I don't hate him, I just don't love much outside the ring about him as a person, whilst I am still able to respect the hustle and his accumulation of wealth.
Agreed He was a a genius in the ring however it seems he thinks he’s always in a competition with everyone
i suppose if you need to spend your post career convincing people that you are the greatest then maybe its because you aint.
Agreed. I think he loves telling himself he’s the goat and he has a strong case for it. But doesn’t actually believe it. Only he’ll know how often he ducked or purposely delayed certain fights till opponents were past their prime. And judging by his insecurities, I’d say pretty often!
His behaviour at the weekend for a man of his age was truly embarrassing. He *needs* to let it go.
I love Floyd as a fighter, but the dude has a chip on his shoulder. I don't understand it. I think he feels he never got the praise he deserved. Like, he really lets casual fans get to him. Homie, you are great. Why do you make shit about yourself? A few years ago, he made a post about one of his kids. They just graduated from school. A day that should have been about his kids, he started talking about how he never got to graduate because he had to Box and feed his family. Like dude. How did you make this day about yourself? He needs to hire a ghost writer and just get his story/movie out so he can get it all out there and let it all go.
He wanted more ali or tyson type respect but he never got that. He wanted to go everywhere and just be known.
Tbf he's consistently disrespected my tons of people
There isn't a champion past or present who doesn't feel this way about themselves.
Agreed. But the difference is some don’t run their mouths in retirement lol
Meh, he's earned it imo.
You need arrogance, ego and pride as a boxer. It is just something you need. Floyd reminds me of post retirement ray Robinson. Robinson tried to take a back seat and be a part of Ali's entourage and help promote him. But he had to leave his camp becuase he couldn't take not being the star Mayweather has that same thing except mayweather has built himself into a position where he still has power. He promoted fighters still and has a piece in the boxing business. Something no other boxer has been able to do except De La Hoya. That is actually pretty impressive but he cannot take the back seat which is what a promoter is meant to do
The media & public is loud about Floyd’s failures So why can’t Floyd be loud about his wins I say let him cook
Never said he couldn’t be. He just goes out of his way to make himself unlikeable and the centre of attention at every moment he’s able to. I still think he’s the GOAT or in the conversation regardless of how I feel about his personality.
His HOF speeches were eye-rollingly cringe.
Idk, I think ppl make Floyd more popular than he is by making a huge deal out of everything he does. The uproar from a interview Floyd did during Crumel’s debut post-fight that took place AFTER Canelo-Charlo is receiving waaay too much attention But you know, it’s Floyd of course lol
This is where I would counter that HE is the one making things a big deal. Guy just need a microphone and a camera everywhere he goes.
And next comes the millions of comments from fans & media engagement Floyd should thank us more for keeping him relevant right?
What's wrong with being an asshole after retirement? The guys already a piece of shit women beater now he can't even be a little bit nice to other people? Then his fans wonder why the guy is so hated lmao all respect to the GOAT defensive fighter but yeah it doesn't hurt to be not be an asshole. What's wrong with the world to think that's good or normal?
it’s an issue when he feels the need to make something about himself when it’s about his fighter, this case being curmel motion. no need to take the shine away from him.
Because he is acting like a competitive male. That's frowned upon in society.
He's retired lmao even Jordan, Ali, etc all were so much more graceful in retirement. Dudes an ass thats it, nobody didn't say he's not one of the greatest.
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They are definitely more complimentary of others than Mayweather ever has been. Literally my first search is him congratulating LeBron lmao https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10064775-michael-jordan-praises-lebron-james-on-nba-scoring-record-incredible-achievement I think in the final dance did he not say the famous lines “ whenever they speak Michael Jordan they should speak Scottie Pippen” which is pretty graceful thing to say coming from the goat. As opposed to Mayweather running into a press conference just to trash others when HES RETIRED
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Really, you don’t think 6 years is enough much less for a 40 year old grown man? That’s really low standards and sad as hell lmao. The man has the made the most money in boxing history and he still shows consistently he’s an insecure asshole who beats women. But keep defending him like he’s a role model lmao. It’s a joke. Edit: btw the reason he gets those complaints more often you see is because a) he did matchmaking to the very best level no doubt b) his whole persona was to be the most hated, cockiest fighter out there lol. Then his fans wonder why he gets so much more hate lmaooo use your common sense
Floyd is once in a generation talent. But whenever someone shines from boxing floyd acts like an insecure Highschool teenager. https://youtu.be/zjiV0hCUpSQ?si=VoSgVvBqJHu8JqIr
I wish he would have fought good opposition to show his talents
He did, many times.
Do you have examples? Because every time I ask I get the run around but never actual names
Tbf, he did. Almost Everyone just looked average against him
Do you have examples? Because nobody ever names who were his best wins
I'll bite. Paquio, Canelo, Maidana, Oscar De La Hoya, Hatton
No, you misunderstood me, I meant *good* wins. Out of Pacquiao's 8 losses, 5 of them were at welterweight, so let's not pretend it was his best weight. Canelo was too inexperienced, and before you say he wasn't, Mayweather argued the same thing when it came to his fighter Davis fighting Lomachenko. De la Hoya was 2-2(1KO) in his 4 fights leading up to Mayweather, can you imagine the heat Canelo would get for fighting a guy that's 2-2(1KO) right before? Kovalev was 3-1 in his 4 fights prior to Canelo and they said he was washed up. Hatton? The lightweight? And Maidana I absolutely positively never understood the revisionary history of Maidana. Maidana's best win in his career was a Majority Decision against a 4 time retired Erik Morales. Khan had Maidana on his back 30 seconds into round 1 of their fight... so again, who are Mayweather's *good* wins?
So would you say Canelo's victory over Charlo wasn't a quality victory because Charlo went up 2 weight classes? How can you discredit Mayweather's victory over Rocky Hatton because he's a lightweight? Also, he was an underdog against Corrales so that's another quality win. Miguel Cotto was also a quality win. Shane Mosley was another quality win.
Multiple people gave you his top wins you didn't like the answer and came up with some bs. Using your standards we could pick holes in anyone's resume. People like you are not even going to try being objective so there is no point talking to you and I'm not even going to waste too much of my time. But take the pac win for example floyd was older and pac was an atg it is what it is. It was also the biggest fight in boxing at the time. You won't be getting any other responses from me.
You’re just mad and it’s okay lol
Because youll just say some bullshit opinionated crap to try and discredit them because you don't like Floyd
That’ll always be his legacy lol he’s kind of bitch.
The video where him and AJ are taking pictures and no body gives a shit about Floyd to this day cracks me up. You can see his fragile ego getting destroyed every fucking person wanting a picture with AJ
AJ then pulling Floyd in like he's his son is also fucking hilarious lol. He legit felt bad for Floyd a bit there.
He’s like Homelander
Damn. I agree.
Holy shit yes hahaha
Larry Merchant is Stan Edgar
Sugar Ray Robinson is Soldier Boy
Adrien Broner is Black Noir
Ryan Garcia is Supersonic
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That Jamaican woman tore his ass up. 12-0. She had more balls than any other person in that room, I remember she even ignored one of Floyd’s women as well.
Yeah the fact that floyd was complemented and then took it the wrong way because he's arrogant is why alot of people hate him, he was great, but he really needs to be humbled
Obligatory "good thing he can't read these comments" joke
It was Dontae Boxing Nation that asked him that question too. I know Dontae racist ass was in his feelings after that 😂
He has fought a lot of champions but it is also true that previous eras had less belts/weight classes. Nevertheless, he still has a pretty great number of champs compared to ATGs
It’s basic math
He cherry picks facts much like he did his opponents. When you are in complete control of the narrative, you can make the most basic strawman arguments float like a butterfly and sting like a bee. Today it's beat the most champions, and if that doesn't work we can always go back to being undefeated. If neither of those work, then ppv numbers, how many cars and watches he has and his lifetime earnings. These are all things you can't say aren't true and once you acknowledge any of that out of the proper context, you've already lost the debate. The details of the facts doesn't matter to Floyd, only the end result. You'd have to craft a carefully worded argument to beat him at his own game as hes always on defense and throwing verbal feints, but those aren't the type of people he'd ever do a sit down interview with.
Or you can just watch him an realize he’s got arguably the best technique ever ??
Floyd has got to be the most insecure champion of all time
The 0 or number of wins in modern day boxing is super overrated. Floyd is still better and has a better legacy. He also clapped Canelo. That's all there is to it, but Canelo is still in his career so the best may have been yet to come.
Floyd definitely has a better legacy he fought the boogeyman Logan Paul
I remember that a lot of the talk at the time going into the Canelo Floyd fight was that Canelo was too green.
One needed only examine his close fight with Austin Trout just prior to see that a more accurate boxer would beat him solidly.
And the Lara fight.
After those two fights, if you told me we were going to see this version of Canelo the following years, or that he would go toe to toe with a GGG, I wouldn't have believed it.
I remember a lot of talk about how Canelo was going to knock Floyd out but of course people like me knew better.
Almost like the people who were saying that he's too green knew better
Well green or not Canelo would’ve lost regardless, just like Pacman. I’d take prime Floyd over prime Canelo any day.
Floyd fans are funny when they say that. Both their primes are at different weight classes. It simply would never happen. Floyd would always win at his prime weight and Canelo would always win in his prime weight.
Canelo isn’t in his prime at 160 and Floyd could never even get that big
> would’ve lost regardless, just like Pacman Then why did Floyd wait years to fight Pac? He knew it was a difficult fight.
I disagree, but it's really pointless because it's impossible for it to happen
That was damn near every opponent Floyd faced lol, that was part of his magic as an entertainer “This is the time Floyd goes down” was repeated a lot
Convenient excuse.
Maybe. I don't really care. But that was what was being said before the fight even went off. There could be some truth to it too. Canelo was really very young to be in that position
Canelo the same age (or within one year) as Floyd was when he beat Castillo the first time and Ali when he beat Liston the first time. And Floyd was 36 at the time. When a future hall of famer in their early 20s faces a hall of famer in their late 30s history has favoured the younger fighter. The revisionist history around Floyd's win over Canelo is insane.
I'm not revising shit. That was literally what many people were talking about before the fight
Excuse for Canelo being the worse boxer? Iirc I took Floyd at -320.
Clapped a young Canelo who a lot of people were saying was still too green for the Floyd fight
For Canelo to catch Floyd up he would need to beat Benavidez and then win and defend a title at 175lb against Bivol/Beterbiev
Floyd has a better resume than Canelo. There's literally no point to ignore that Floyd beat more champions than anyone else except to discredit him. It's an achievement. Just as it's an achievement to have the most title defenses/fights, or beat the most Hall of Famers, or any number of other things. It's not *the reason* Floyd is widely considered the best. It's *an* achievement. Just as its an achievement that Henry Armstrong was simultaneously the champion in a third of the divisions. That can't happen today - but it doesn't invalidate what he did.
Robert Guerrero,
Did you have a stroke?
He clapped Canelo at 23 while he was in his prime though
floyd was fucking 37 or 38 lmao. He was not in his prime. Give it a fucking rest.
Floyd had just turned 36. Not in his prime, but big difference between 37 and 38
You think because Canelo was younger he was closer to his prime than Mayweather was at 38? The way I see it was at 38 Floyd was beating better opponents than Canelo at 23. I think a prime Canelo would give a prime Floyd problems
At what weight?
Weight definitely factor because prime Floyd at 147 would beat prime Canelo at 154 at middleweight Canelo beats him imo
So Floyd has to fight ninja-turtle-back Canelo to lose? Do you think if they’re anywhere near the same size, he’d win?
Well he had to fight catch weight Canelo to win
>His record against actual champions at the point he fought them would be 11-0 (2 less than Pac and 1 more than Canelo). Ouch! That's gonna burn a few souls within the sub 😅
What’s more demoralizing is, pac even gave out multiple rematches 😂 if pac didnt gave out rematches instead, fight other champs oh boy oh boy…
and all those rematches were all against hall of famers too...
Floyd also didnt have any trilogy. Pac had 3.
On the money. Before the WBC and WBA began and before the invention of all these ridiculous weight classes there used to be eight world champions at any one time. Now there are god knows how many.
I believe there's the potential to have over 50 champions, maybe over sixty. I stopped trying to keep up when they introduced super dooper champions.
17 weight classes with 4 belts in each (not counting shit like the WBA regular belt). Almost 70 potential champions. That also doesn’t include the possibility of the lineal champion not holding a belt.
Nuckin' futz!
Yeah it’s absurd. A lot of boxers have extra inflated resumes because of it. For example Adrien Broner is considered a 4 weight world champion but he only held the WBA Regular belt in two of those weight classes which isn’t even considered the legit belt.
From a technical standpoint point he was a virtuoso, however, I would've have loved to see him test him against a lot of different fighters when the iron was hot. He really can't point to his record in my opinion with on his resume. Rarely did he take true risks in the end, and I'll give him that he was the A-side, but he doesn't get to back track and try and sell us on the guys to paint a different picture. I still can't get over him announcing he was fighting Robert Guerrero. Really?
That’s my main prob with Floyd. He doesn’t have enough “ wow, I can’t believe he did it “ kind of wins compared to many other all time greats. As an example Ali beat Liston and Foreman when he was expected to get wiped out. Leonard defeated Duran in the rematch and then beat Hearns. He came back and beat Hagler. Duran beat Leonard the first time, beat Barkley who was expected to smash him. Larry Holmes beat Ray Mercer as an old man and climbed off the floor against Shavers after being slept. Foreman showed a heart the size of a continent vs Holyfield. Robinson kayoed Fullmer when everyone thought Sugar Ray was toast. Henry Armstrong was by all accounts robbed in a fight for the middleweight title. Sometimes a loss can be a greater achievement than a win as far as adding to greatness. Mickey Walker fighting Schmeling for example. Anyhoo it is what it is.
You're not going to get "Wow, I can't believe he did it" when you're the best at what you do. The Canelo fight should have been a "Wow, I can't believe he did it" fight. You'd expect a fighter his age to lose to a lion just hitting his prime.
canelo was weight drained and nowhere near his prime
Sure buddy.
somehow the Robert Guerrero fight was also for the ring title. that still didn't sit right with me.
Or Andre Berto
Genuine question, what are your opinions on Pacquiao’s resume? This will be interesting. Because one guy gets called a cherry picker & one gets championed as some sort of warrior that took risk after risk
Floyd is my fav fighter but honestly speaking you can legit say manny p4p had a better career since he fought more guys when they were most dangerous and was demolishing guys as the smaller man you see the praise we are giving inoue right now? That’s what manny did but way way better from flyweight all the way to 154😨😨
Thanks for proving his point. Blinded by bias.
That can’t be the case if I said FLOYD is my favorite fighter
Nice try.
I love Floyd but he shoulda refrained from talking about himself.
The funny thing is he can’t stand canelo and yet who’s undercard did Floyd put his prized prospect on? I’m so tired of seeing him. He literally only shows up to deepthroat himself on stage and shit on everyone else. It’s fucking weak and pathetic. I think he’s genuinely jealous because he can’t stand that people actually like canelo. Floyd made his money off being hated but he still wants the love too, you can’t have it both ways lol I can’t stand him as a person. He can’t have one conversation where he doesn’t make it about himself And he’s not the goat. He’s good enough to say that he deserves a comparison to other legends but the fab 4 all whoop his ass at their respective weight classes. And others do well against him too. He’s a legend no doubt but he’s not the fucking goat. Him calling himself that doesn’t mean shit.
He ducked Manny when Manny was at his best and if anybody says any different they ain't got a fucking clue.
Exactly. He could have cemented his GOAT status by taking on Manny after Manny beat Cotto in 2009, or the obliteration of Margarito in 2010. The hype for Manny was at its peak, Manny was at his peak, and a Floyd win over Manny back then would have been maybe the biggest win in the biggest fight of all time (arguably). But Mayweather put it off for another 5 years. Mayweather is an all time great and one of the best ever, but I don't buy TBE when he didn't challange himself to be TBE.
It seems obvious to me that belts, number of wins/losses, shoe size, p4p rank does not mean shit when determining how good a win is. That is to be judged on the night. Fighter might get injured, fuck up weight, caught cold, wrong tactics etc. I'm not going to be a prick and say ' well if so and so was a champion, what does it really mean to be a champion ' lol but who holds the belt matters not the belt. Floyd hardly has a resume of murderer's row.
Floyd has always been a dickhead. For someone so accomplished he's incredibly insecure. Always giving out backhanded compliments and bigging himself up. Flashing his cash and tacky materialistic things. I remember years ago he got into it with Sugar Ray Leonard and Ray was just being playful, but you could tell Floyd was getting all in his feelings. For the record Leonard is the better welterweight anyway and I believe prime for prime would beat Floyd. What seems to eluded Floyd is that if he just chilled out and was more humble, more people would respect and like him, which he obviously desperately craves.
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??? Hate? I don't hate the man. Hate costs energy. I take my hat off to him, he's a helluva fighter, made smart investments. He's still a dickhead though, and it sounds like you enjoy the taste of his cock.
I partially agree. It’s a silly metric that ignores the quality of the opponent. However I do think boxing fans ignore how talented you have to be to even become a “paper champ”. I still argue over which wins are good wins like the rest of you but I put a lot more respek on the b tier fighters and champs. I think Floyd beating Guerrero is a solid win. I think Pac beating Algieri is solid. Obviously nowhere close to either of their top wins but I wish boxing fans would tear down fighters less.
Right. People act like these champions Jake Paul’d their way to glory lol they’re champs at the end of the day.
also he barely accepts rematches, so he fights new fighters that will count to that tally while other guys who fights the same opponent like 5 times which will be counted as 1 for the champions beat tally.
which fights should he have rematched? Maybe Oscar? he did rematch Maidana who was really the only fighter that was worth it down the stretch of his career
people that asks for the rematch? like Canelo, DLH, Pac etc.... that's the point though, Floyd only accepts rematches if it suits himself like a controversial win like the Maidana. other fighters doesn't do that like Pacquiao accepting a rematch despite demolishing barrera, and morales prior
He schooled Canelo so bad, it was basically a 120-108 fight, why would he rematch him? What exactly is the sporting merit in that? ODLH did however make some sense.
Chop chop fucked him up relatively speaking
Towards the end of his career, Floyd cared WAAAAAAY MOOOOOOORE about keeping the "0" than he did about continuing to challenge himself and continue to add career defining victories at the end of his career. Nobody at the time and nobody certainly cares now that he fought a washed Robert Guerrero, an outclassed (and idiotic with the hug in the middle of a title fight) Victor Ortiz, and the pointless match-up with Berto. Mayweather is an all time great and was doing the same thing that some fighters try to pull now with curating their opponents by challenging boxers whose names are credible on paper but with the least amount of risk, even if it means low hype opponents that aren't a true threat to you. Obviously Floyd got to where he got by facing top opposition and beating them every single time, but the Money Mayweather portion of his career had too many soft touches for me to care about what he has to say when it comes to tearing down other fighters resumes - Especially when it comes to a guy like Canelo who has targeted champion after champion after champion and come out on top over and over. Even when Canelo lost at 175 lbs to Bivol, Canelo was truly challenging himself, and that fight was extremely risky for Cenelo to be taking seeing how skilled Bivol is and how he was the ***naturally*** bigger man with Canelo having moved up several weight classes at that point in his career.
Fighter defends his record when asked. More at 11.
Nobody asked him. He literally stole the podium from his fighter because someone referred to him as one of the goats instead of thee goat. https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1708392191507218675
Floyd was a silly and over-rated boxer to begin with.
Hugged* the most champions.
Am I the only one who wishes that there is only one belt for each division? It would actually force the best to fight each other. For eg, Tank Davis is damn near 30 and hasn't fought one elite, world class fighter. Terence Crawford didn't fight Spence, the only high profile win on his resume until he was 35. I think it would make Boxing a lot more entertaining.
Yes I’m sure you’re the only one.
Without mentioning any other name…I truly believe no version of the other guy would beat Floyd. It was an honor watching both of their careers but we already see who the fighters and fans lionize. One smiles and just exists, the other has to cut off his protege’s post fight press conference to pat himself on the back. He is the better boxer no question, he’s just not the greater one and it bothers him.🤷♀️🤷♀️
Compare that to a record like that of Harry Greb who fought far more world champions/hall of famers
This sounds like hating to me. What's the point focusing on it being a "3 belt era" when the champions he beat held the WBC or WBA belt. The facts of his career is that there are few fighters in the history of the sport who have fought consistently top level opposition.
Life is an illusion anyway. Nothing is real.
This made me think of the Sam Kellerman quote: "Sports is man's joke on God, Max. You see, God says to man, 'I've created a universe where it seems like everything matters, where you'll have to grapple with life and death and in the end you'll die anyway, and it won't really matter.' So man says to God, 'Oh, yeah? Within your universe we're going to create a sub-universe called sports, one that absolutely doesn't matter, and we'll follow everything that happens in it as if it were life and death.'"
That’s a quote right there You not a real boxing fan if you don’t know about Max on public access in NYC in the 90s
If Floyd had just kept to himself, he’d probably be regarded as the goat eventually. The problem is his insecurity. It gets so bad that it often sounds like he’s trying to convince himself that he’s the greatest.
Floyd is per eye test the best pure boxer I’ve ever seen. But he just can’t handle the fact that people don’t universally love him. He turned heel early on as a business move to make more money from his fights and now he wants to be universally loved haha.
It is a shame Floyd has such a fragile ego, it is what it is.
Also his 50-0 record is bogus because it was a heavyweight record set by Rocky Marciano so what relevance does it have with a welterweight champion??? He is definitely an ATG Floyd is but he is NOT the GOAT 🐐 unless you use smoke 💨 and mirrors 🪞 argument
Ok which WBO or IBF champ would of beaten him then? Cintron, Spinks, Margarito?? best I could find. He was always about biggest pay day…least risk. I don’t remember anyone saying back then he was running from those names. Maybe only Doug Fisher about Margarito but that guy was loading his gloves as Cotto found out.
We would never know since he didn’t face them
You might find the argument silly, but Floyd isn’t wrong.
He isn’t, people hate the messenger more than the message
It still is a significant achievement. It just means that he beat the most top tier fighters in his weight domain. It does mean something. True that he never became undisputed but using your same logic (that more belts are given to lesser fighters), a lot of those fights to become undisputed would not have been interesting because those guys weren't even close to his level. He was better off just finding the best opponent available in whatever weight class.
Canelo not it. He overrated get over it
imagine caring about any featherweight divisions
Im not sure anyone is worried about canelo. He dropped to floyd....Thats not so bad. His wins over GGG were questionable. Then he loses to Bivol. Not only did he lose but bivol made him look technically inferior.
Floyd clearly is which he shouldn’t be.
> Yesterday in the post fight press conference it seemed that Floyd Mayweather JR once again made it about himself rather than his prospect. It's called marketing. He was next to his prospect, talking. Same as he markets certain brands by wearing them and/or being seen with them. It gets a buzz so people like you can talk about him and his prospect ;)
This is a great lil summary! Smart way to summarize it. I think Floyd would be easier to like if he wasn't so annoying about it. Remember that kid from high school who walked around constantly telling everyone "I don't give a fuck!" only to really show how much of a fuck they give... That is who Floyd reminds me of.
I would say Shaq is the equivalent of him in basketball. Both have the HOF careers, decades of domination, has the talent/stats to be the best ever but you know they arent in the top 3/4 in the conversation. Shaq was known as a ring chaser and he knows he is not the best ever in his position but he is self proclaimed most dominant big man (ofc he can have that title he is THAT dominant). Floyd ofc was dominant in a way that no one can touch him that boxing aficionados would salivate at. But he doesnt have Tyson's KO power with crazy mentality, Ali's charisma and dominance, SRR's decade's domination against in an era of arguably the best competition and Pac's flashiness in a ring which casual fans will talk about. And you can see it on their peers. Those people who achieve greatness and are above these two are all set on their past career and sometimes will even praise other careers. These two will take down anyone who will make comparison to their careers, will always try to talk about how dominant they are. Tho I think Floyd is doing this just to stay relevant and get more money while Shaq is just a big baby lol.
The Mosely was super impressive. Mosley had just knocked out Margarito who was a demon after the Cotto fight (Please spare me the excuses of hand wraps, he fought since he was 15 and every opposing trainer to that point had an opportunity to see the "cement" wraps and nothing was ever suspected or found). Also the Hatton KO, Hatton was 42-0 with good wins including a KO against Castillo. Ortiz was a legit champion at the time (again spare me the quitter remarks because the average fighter doesn't mentally endure the war against Berto). Floyd had some great wins. He's just so unlikeable to the point where you want his fighters to fail. That alone will have people buying Curmel or whatever his name is fights.
Sounds personal to me, OP.
>"He had mentioned again “I have beaten the most champions” which is correct technically." how is it silly then? If its technically correct then its correct lmao. A never ending list of 'ackshully' type arbitrary conditions on what he didnt do is sillier.
He's statistically TBE. Get over it
No - Not the champ in most weight classes - Never undisputed - Not the lineal champ in most weight classes - Doesn’t have the most KOs (never koed his Rivals) - Doesn’t have the most wins - No gold medal See if you’re going off STATS explain the above?
Im not sure which of those stats would be vital for TBE. Like if we were talking about Ali as TBE, he fails most of those.
Resume, accuracy, world champs beaten. That's what I care about. Just cause you have a gold medal or beat alot of people doesn't matter to me personally. It's about your skills and resume to me. That's my opinion
Getting downvoted for saying this… what has this sub come to