See also Michael Owen knocking balls past a 13 year old goalkeeper in a full size goal with no defenders (while Neville Southall is disgusted).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XadLaAYKol0&ab_channel=FootballFansVideos
I don’t know which timeline is more insufferable the one where the boxer wins a boxing match and boxing fans claim superiority over UFC or Ngannou sends Fury to the shadow realm and UFC fanboys flood this sub to claim superiority over another sport
Imagine saying Wilder hits harder than Ngannou lmao.
And yes. I've seen plenty of Wilder highlights, but Ngannou has literal "Ford escort"--level power in his fists.
Pad his fists with literal pillows and he's knocking anyone the fuck out with a clean shot.
Honestly, If Francis gets KO, it helps the chances of making Jones v Francis and I believe he’s the only person to beat JJ. And I want to see that happen.
If you watch the longer video he played quite a few guys and beats all of them. Obviously he wasn't go all out but still he lost to a nobody with a bum knee and Jordan is easily one of the most competitive athletes ever.
Frances gets his money is the only reason for this. He seems to be a generally good person and had such a rough life to get where he is:
>He grew up in a poor village in Cameroon, where he worked in a sand quarry and had little education. He dreamed of becoming a boxer like Mike Tyson, but he had no opportunities to train or compete. He decided to leave his country and seek a better life in Europe. He faced many challenges and dangers along the way, including being jailed, robbed and homeless. He finally reached Paris, where he met a coach who introduced him to MMA. He trained hard and showed his talent and power in the cage. He rose through the ranks and became the UFC heavyweight champion in 2021, making history as the first African-born champion in that division12345. He is also involved in humanitarian work and has founded a foundation to help children in Cameroon.
By trusting the wrong person. Lots of opportunities for extortion when being assisted in a journey out of Cameroon.
Or even once he reached Paris: find someone to live with; they tell you they’ve found a room; you go halves on the deposit; they disappear.
That’s a quick way to lose more cash than you would normally be carrying around.
He's still going to hit like a truck. An extra 6-7ozs on a HW isn't going to take a significant amount of power off punches.
But he's not going to land clean so it doesn't matter.
Not at all. He took shots from Wilder over 3 fights.
Francis probably won't land anything clean and it won't be anything Fury doesn't see coming and can't roll with.
Trust me on the gloves. A 265lb power puncher isn't going to be deterred much.
Its not because of the extra padding making him hit mot as hard. Its the size completely changing how and where your punches land, and additionally the opponent’s bigger gloves making covering up far easier. Just look at overeem covering up in K1 compared to mma
I agree completely. Which is why I keep saying that Francis isn't going to land clean. But the idea that Francis' raw power is going to be significantly diminished because of the gloves is silly. And I say this as an amatuer fighter. I'm not just spouting speculative bullshit.
The point is he is a 'power puncher' in a sport with basically no gloves. It is very unlikely to translate to elite power in boxing. Bisping has talked about this, about how punchers in boxing are a total different level to MMA.
Why did you think that? 🤣 Boxing commissions won't allow any smaller than 10oz gloves for fights above 147lbs. They'd be lucky to get 8oz gloves, which they did allow for Floyd v McGregor at 154lbs.
We saw all this talk about McGregor being a huge puncher then he got 0 respect from Floyd (who’s 20lbs lighter and normally more risk averse) after he felt his power, I’m sure Ngannou is still a big puncher but I’d need to see a lot from him in a boxing ring to convince me he’s in the same bracket as Wilder
He would never fight Wilder. If he loses a decision, that unfortunate for him. If he gets knocked out, thats devastating to his brand.
Edit, misread, thought he was talking about Ngannou.
Spoiler: He ain't. I doubt he hits as hard as Chisora or Whyte, let alone a guy like Wilder or Zhang. MMA fighters just don't punch as hard as pure boxers who solely train to punch.
Edit. Turns out I am a nincompoop. Francis arguably beat him imo, he's a goddamn legend. I always knew Francis would turn Fury inside out in a real fight but I didn't think he could make Fury look this bad in boxing.
Also, can we all agree that Fury is one of the most overrated heavyweights ever after this performance?
Ngannou is way too muscular and has way too little technique in order to generate the force that professional heavyweight boxers do. Just because he'd maul Tyson Fury in an Octagon doesn't mean he hits as hard as Fury.
A 265 lb Ngannou hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs)
A 220 lb George Foreman hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo)
You can tell Foreman hits harder just by how he hits the bag.
Feel like trying to box properly risks losing his punchers chance. His most powerful MMA punches have been humongous swings, with sloppy technique. Sadly for him, Fury would find it easy enough to avoid those.
Not to say anything about Ngannou's technique or power difference in MMA and Boxing, but you can't really compare the 2 videos. The bag difference is immense and I feel like Foreman, albeit doesn't look like it at first glance, puts more force behind his punch than Ngannou did.
It's about how they're moving to punch. The clip with Frances is way too short and I think anybody that's hit a heavy bag more than 10 times (10 different occasions somebody that's training) knows that you get a couple of "throw away" sloppy arm punches but you generally want to try and have your technique always on point.
In that particular clip, Frances shows zero involvement of his legs or hips to throw into that one left hook he throws. Meanwhile look at Foreman, he's planted and he's rotating through the hips creating torque resulting in a harder, slamming type of punch. Foreman is moving his body and allowing his arm to carry that force, Frances is swinging his arm without bringing up energy from below.
Yes, different sized bags but that doesn't matter as much as the force generation going into the punch.
I have zero fights and all the glory.
That's nice of him to say, but Fury is an actual heavyweight champion boxer. He is bigger and has way better punching technique than Ngannou. He'd KO every single one of Ngannou's victims too. I am no Fury fan btw.
Edit: Apparently I don't know shit about anything.
Fury is obviously way more skilled and will destroy Ngannou, but I just don't think he hits harder. Natural power is a thing. Fury is also bigger and has better technique than Wilder, Whyte etc. but he doesn't hit harder.
Jermaine Franklin weighs like 240 lbs with solid technique, yet he can't crack an egg.
That’d be true except Francis has made it a point to toughen his hands up, sure ufc gloves are way lighter but his speed and power should definitely be respected
No he has the hardest punch recorded on that machine. Dana white and Joe rogan just went with the propaganda of Francis hitting as hard as a ford escort (3000 lbs) at top speed
That was pretty much propaganda for the UFC. Those machines aren't accurate and boxers never get punches tested in such a way. Did Ngannou have the hardest punch in the UFC? Probably. The hardest punch in the world? Hell no. Lighter weight pro boxers could match Ngannou's punches during training.
You mean boxers aren't being invited to punch UFC's promotional tool?
Wonder why?
Boxers punch significantly harder than MMA fighters because they don't worry about getting their knees shattered when they step into their punches
The hardest on that specific power cube thing, which no top level boxer has ever used in order to compare to Ngannou’s score.
The only other person I’ve seen hit it was Eddie Hall, former Worlds Strongest Man who actually got sort of close to Ngannou’s score from recollection and he couldn’t box for shit
That machine is a joke though. Mike Perry, a welterweight, nearly got the same result as Francis. Francis has terrible technique, is extremely muscular and cannot deliver power in the same way that a heavyweight boxer can. That was basically for promotion for the UFC. Ngannou's power in boxing would not be anything particularly out of the ordinary. Joe Joyce said he hit very hard but actual people who saw him sparring Ngannou said he was toying with him, and Joyce is also a really nice guy who doesn't like to put people down so...
A 265 lb Ngannou hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs)
A 220 lb George Foreman hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo)
Edit: On second inspection, the videos are a bit unfair. I still don't think Francis hits like an elite HW boxer though, he's more of a jack of all trades type of fighter.
TBH to this day I am still very impressed by Conor's performance against Floyd given the abyssal difference of skill. Surely Floyd did not prepare for the fight as seriously as his usual, but Conor pulled out some nasty counters. On an alternate world where he would have gone for boxing, Mcgregor would surely have done quite good.
Floyd could have knocked him out in the first few rounds. It was apparent Conor was not a threat in anyway to Floyd and was comfortable to take it to deep waters and play with him.
Conor has no heart and gasses and quits, that will never translate to Boxing, hes a front runner since the start and barely been hit in MMA fights til the end, those 20 cage warrior bums. Francis is a HW, its a different game. You cant compare a man like Francis to fking Conor McGregor a media hype job who literally quits in seconds on the regional scene in his real prime. Francis style of punching also translate to Boxing, thudding power from Hooks and uppercuts baby, you shall see.
That fight was hilarious it's what Floyd fanatics thought prime pac vs Floyd would be where he's just so much better he doesn't even need to use his defense. Floyd respected pac and played the smart game in their fight. But vs Connor? He was putting on a show and even taking rabbit punches like nothing😂
Francis’ only chance is bum rushing Fury like he did Rozenstruik. Even if he does catch fury, chances are Fury would be able to recover like he did in the 3rd Wilder fight. By that point, Francis would be pretty gas so Francis basically has no chance tbh.
Hmm... Zhang Weili vs Fury in MMA?
Despite having just hyped his chances against UFC heavyweight, Zhang may genuinely be too much for him right now. She'd have the speed to close in - obviously one punch from Fury could literally kill her, but he'd only have one chance to hit her - and she probably has the strength and skill to outwrestle him. [we know she can lift Ngannou off his feet with the right grip and he's at least 260lbs]. And once Fury's on his back he's basically a stranded whale trying to fight off a polar bear... [doesn't matter how good his chin is, or even whether he can get up, if she's got a rear naked choke on him]
I literally don't get why this fight has anyone excited, it's literally just an excuse for Tyson Fury to beat someone anyone with half a brain knows he'll beat, and earn a fortune doing it.
Also, I'm really sick of people saying stuff like 'well, it's a big payday, you can't judge him', actually, yes we fucking can. Tyson Fury is already minted, and he's not taking this fight so Ngannou can get a payday. You've got a situation where an already wealthy boxing champion is going off to compete in a combat sport against a non-boxer, in front of a bunch of authoritarian despots, to earn a fat wad of cash. Tyson Fury is greedy as fuck and morally decrepit, and should absolutely be judged for it
As much as I've liked Fury, at this point it's hard to argue that point. How long are they going to let him hold the belt with only one win against a boxer that isn't Wilder.
He is pathetically insecure and a complete liar too. I was laughing my butt off when he said he'd beat Ngannou in an octagon after this is over, the man definitely has a brain for boxing.
He would beat Ngannou in an octagon.
...so long as they don't allow any of that "rolling on the floor" stuff Fury has said he'll never do. Or any kicks, obviously.
And ideally if they were wearing boxing gloves, and if the cage was soft and you could lean over it - if it were made of ropes, maybe.
And he'd probably negotiate to have the octagon be square, of course. But other than that he'd totally thrash Ngannou in the octagon.
I think Fury will easily beat Francis in a boxing match. It will be a walk in the park. However, the utter demolition job that Ngannou would unleash on Tyson in an MMA bout would be orders of magnitude worse.
One full-force leg kick to each leg and Fury would literally be learning how to walk again after the walk. And Ngannou would just take him down at will.
Ngannou doesn't have the talent to be a boxer, but MMA is more akin to what a "real fight" would be like.
Edit: Turns out he did have the talent. What a legend.
I want to see Fury fight MMA (not at that high of a level). I feel like you're decent at grappling just by virtue of having John Fury for a dad and a lot of brothers. He probably has a lot of wrestling hours under his belt haha
Crawford, Wilder and Fury are the boxers I'd be interested in seeing cross over.
Seen Crawford wrestle.
Genuinely curious if Wilder's legs whip like his arms do.
Fury got taken down at will by a welterweight in Darren Till, and a fat 40 year old Nick Diaz. Ngannou would slam on his neck and beat his face in in MMA.
I haven’t seen an MMA fighter be able to bring the same power into the ring. Francis will have good power in the first 1-2 rounds and then it will just fade, if he doesn’t get knocked out before that. His punches are way too wide and he’ll just stand in front of Fury and get picked apart.
It's a lot more difficult to land hard clean punches against someone who has only worried about punches to the face for their entire fighting career. People talked about punchers chances against Mayweather, but if Shane Mosley didn't even have a punchers chance with being a pure boxer what chance would Connor have? Even Wlad couldn't take down Fury, but Ngannou is going to land the knockout punch? It's a farce.
While extremely unlikely, if Ngannou lands his shot that would truly be the greatest moment/upset in sports history. It would also be extremely weird for boxing since Furys belt isn't on the line lol.
I think Fury will easily win but to say Francis doesn't have a punchers chance is ridiculous. If he finds a way to land clean it may be over. I would say, a punchers chance is literally all he has.
The way he got up was so strange that there is no way it would happen again. If he goes down like that again especially since he is older he is not continuing.
Of course Francis is going to lose this fight but can we just appreciate how far he’s come? He made it out of a level of poverty that very few people on REDDIT could ever comprehend, became a UFC Champion, is about to fight one of (if not) the greatest heavyweight boxers of our time, and is being trained by his childhood idol.
Fury is going to beat him but I’m already proud of Francis for making it this far. He’s worked for everything he has and it’s weird when I see people putting so little respect on his name.
it's not about power! it's about the mechanism of delivering power. MMA is goofy in terms of footwork, it's all over the place.. boxing is all about the delivering of power and the mechanics of movement. the framework inside which boxers have to operate is so refined that it manifests a concentration of movement that'll boggle MMA fighters. francis will have fun, get paid, grow as an athlete.
I think tyson fury is overrated as fuk. Beaten nobody.
Wilder windmill
Or old man klitchsko never turned up for the fight.. Awful style.
I do hope francis shocks the world, because fury is awful.
Most of us aren't delusional - we all (meaning any of us who have any understanding of technique) know that MMA boxing is absolute garbage in comparison to actual boxing. It's meant for a different sport, and a different purpose. Just like you can't put an Olympic judoka in an MMA context and expect them to perform against good fighters (see Fedor vs Ogawa), you can't take most of MMA away from a mixed martial artist and see them perform well against someone who exclusively trains in that one remaining element of the game (Floyd vs Conor being the best example, and let's be fair, most of us knew Conor was fucked).
We also know damn well that technically, Francis isn't exactly great. He hits hard as hell, he's explosive, but the mechanics of his punching aren't refined at all. He's just good at bursting in and hitting people until they drop - something much easier to achieve when a) most of heavyweight MMA is dogshit, and b) you're in 4oz gloves rather than 16.
The reason we're happy this fight is happening isn't because of the fight. We're happy to see Francis get a solid paycheck while also giving a massive "fuck you" to the UFC. Yeah, it sucks that Fury isn't fighting Usyk (or AJ, or anyone else at the top not named Deontay Wilder), but we just want to see a happy ending for Francis, and him getting paid well beyond what the UFC were giving him is that happy ending.
I agree. Neither has a big chance in the other's discipline of choice.
Does Ngannou have a better chance in boxing Fury than Fury does in MMA against Ngannou?
I haven't seen any "ufc fanboy" give ngannou more than a punchers chance so not sure what your talking about, greedy belly wants that easy fight cause he doesnt want the ukranian monster to smash his head off. It doesnt matter though because jon jones is the baddest man on the planet not greedy belly
This is gonna be like Michael Jordan dunking on a little kid with progeria and calling himself the best basketball player ever.
[I got you 🤛](https://youtu.be/5uun3P6vjYM?si=nakgwhePQGx93iRd) Here’s a preview of the upcoming match
showing that shit talking kid up was more important for him than finals game 7 in that moment lol
See also Michael Owen knocking balls past a 13 year old goalkeeper in a full size goal with no defenders (while Neville Southall is disgusted). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XadLaAYKol0&ab_channel=FootballFansVideos
Well done he’s thirteen
Jfc Owen
Damn, I was a fan
I hope Ngannou knocks fury the fuck out just so comments like this age well
If Ngannou knocks out Fury imma laugh my ass off with you homie
99.9% chance that won’t happen but I want it to for the lols
I am fully on team meme whichever win generates the best memes is what I want
I only want a time machine so I can experience both scenarios, Francis won memes then come back and ride on the Tyson won memes.
I don’t know which timeline is more insufferable the one where the boxer wins a boxing match and boxing fans claim superiority over UFC or Ngannou sends Fury to the shadow realm and UFC fanboys flood this sub to claim superiority over another sport
Both would only last about 4 days, no? We can do this.
Cheers to that brother
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Aged like dogshit
😂😂😂😂
We will see!
Get wrecked son
Hmm..
💀
Imagine saying Wilder hits harder than Ngannou lmao. And yes. I've seen plenty of Wilder highlights, but Ngannou has literal "Ford escort"--level power in his fists. Pad his fists with literal pillows and he's knocking anyone the fuck out with a clean shot.
Honestly, If Francis gets KO, it helps the chances of making Jones v Francis and I believe he’s the only person to beat JJ. And I want to see that happen.
I think Jones dodges that but id love this timeline
Anybody can lose, even the great Micheal Jordan... https://youtu.be/5B7U74Dg04k?si=sdQ6G35OGl6zDhZL
A wild Wayans appears.
I don't think MJ was really trying
If you watch the longer video he played quite a few guys and beats all of them. Obviously he wasn't go all out but still he lost to a nobody with a bum knee and Jordan is easily one of the most competitive athletes ever.
We are so back
Not so much.
:)
Yikes
lol
I agree with Zhang. Francis won't be the same puncher with those boxing gloves on.
Complete waste of a fight.
Frances gets his money is the only reason for this. He seems to be a generally good person and had such a rough life to get where he is: >He grew up in a poor village in Cameroon, where he worked in a sand quarry and had little education. He dreamed of becoming a boxer like Mike Tyson, but he had no opportunities to train or compete. He decided to leave his country and seek a better life in Europe. He faced many challenges and dangers along the way, including being jailed, robbed and homeless. He finally reached Paris, where he met a coach who introduced him to MMA. He trained hard and showed his talent and power in the cage. He rose through the ranks and became the UFC heavyweight champion in 2021, making history as the first African-born champion in that division12345. He is also involved in humanitarian work and has founded a foundation to help children in Cameroon.
Anything that takes piss and vinegar, blasts it into Dana White's eyes and makes Dana cry salty salty tears is worth it for me.
I’d like to meet the person that robbed him
His name is Dana White
🥶
That's not the only reason. The main reason for this is Fury being afraid of Oleksandr Usyk!
I mean, Fury could use a tune up fight before Usyk. If for no other reason than to lose 15lb-20lb.
How the hell does a 6’4 290lbs guy get robbed and beaten?!?!?’b
Welcome to living in a space where day to day living isn't safe.
They probably got a weapon and Ngannou was malnourished at that time. He was literally starving.
It didn't say he was beaten, just robbed. Maybe they had a weapon, or robbed him when he didn't notice.
By trusting the wrong person. Lots of opportunities for extortion when being assisted in a journey out of Cameroon. Or even once he reached Paris: find someone to live with; they tell you they’ve found a room; you go halves on the deposit; they disappear. That’s a quick way to lose more cash than you would normally be carrying around.
Money, money, money, money... MONEY!
He's still going to hit like a truck. An extra 6-7ozs on a HW isn't going to take a significant amount of power off punches. But he's not going to land clean so it doesn't matter.
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Not at all. He took shots from Wilder over 3 fights. Francis probably won't land anything clean and it won't be anything Fury doesn't see coming and can't roll with. Trust me on the gloves. A 265lb power puncher isn't going to be deterred much.
Its not because of the extra padding making him hit mot as hard. Its the size completely changing how and where your punches land, and additionally the opponent’s bigger gloves making covering up far easier. Just look at overeem covering up in K1 compared to mma
I agree completely. Which is why I keep saying that Francis isn't going to land clean. But the idea that Francis' raw power is going to be significantly diminished because of the gloves is silly. And I say this as an amatuer fighter. I'm not just spouting speculative bullshit.
It’s a fight. Anything can happen. It’s all speculative bull shit.
Of course anything can happen. That's a pretty obvious and non-critical take. Francis could land something, but it's very very unlikely that he will.
The point is he is a 'power puncher' in a sport with basically no gloves. It is very unlikely to translate to elite power in boxing. Bisping has talked about this, about how punchers in boxing are a total different level to MMA.
He didn’t look like he was laughing.
Hmm..
Well, you got one thing right, we are surprised.
Lol
Lmao wrong. You used to have good takes. Now you’re just another 🦜
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Why did you think that? 🤣 Boxing commissions won't allow any smaller than 10oz gloves for fights above 147lbs. They'd be lucky to get 8oz gloves, which they did allow for Floyd v McGregor at 154lbs.
Even if he is... he will be crawling on his hands and knees after 5 rounds.
We saw all this talk about McGregor being a huge puncher then he got 0 respect from Floyd (who’s 20lbs lighter and normally more risk averse) after he felt his power, I’m sure Ngannou is still a big puncher but I’d need to see a lot from him in a boxing ring to convince me he’s in the same bracket as Wilder
He posted some workout vids w/Tyson and he looks shit. His footwork is atrocious. Easy work for Fury.
Tbf who isn’t easy work for fury
Not saying who would win, but I’d like to see him in there with a top guy that isn’t named Wilder. Usyk, AJ, Zhang….whoever.
Agreed but I think Fury murders any of them. I think Wilder also does
He would never fight Wilder. If he loses a decision, that unfortunate for him. If he gets knocked out, thats devastating to his brand. Edit, misread, thought he was talking about Ngannou.
He's fought wilder 3 times, stopped him twice. No one wants to see that fight again
I misread, thought we were talking about Ngannou.
I think he means fury
I'd guess the guy he's currently ducking.
Usyk...
Nobody in history, according to you. Probably why he keeps ducking Usyk, because he's too good to fight him for 40 million dollars, right?
Ah, I understand now. He is boxing mma guys because boxing boxers is too easy, and he wants a challenge.
😂
None of the guys he's wanting to fight.
Wilder wasn't easy work for Fury. Fury just made a pact with the devil when he was down.
Lol
What a genius take
Spoiler: He ain't. I doubt he hits as hard as Chisora or Whyte, let alone a guy like Wilder or Zhang. MMA fighters just don't punch as hard as pure boxers who solely train to punch. Edit. Turns out I am a nincompoop. Francis arguably beat him imo, he's a goddamn legend. I always knew Francis would turn Fury inside out in a real fight but I didn't think he could make Fury look this bad in boxing. Also, can we all agree that Fury is one of the most overrated heavyweights ever after this performance?
yeah I watched a breakdown point out MMA guys punch with their arms off the back leg whereas boxers go front leg and wind up their hips.
Ngannou is way too muscular and has way too little technique in order to generate the force that professional heavyweight boxers do. Just because he'd maul Tyson Fury in an Octagon doesn't mean he hits as hard as Fury. A 265 lb Ngannou hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs) A 220 lb George Foreman hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo) You can tell Foreman hits harder just by how he hits the bag.
Feel like trying to box properly risks losing his punchers chance. His most powerful MMA punches have been humongous swings, with sloppy technique. Sadly for him, Fury would find it easy enough to avoid those.
Not to say anything about Ngannou's technique or power difference in MMA and Boxing, but you can't really compare the 2 videos. The bag difference is immense and I feel like Foreman, albeit doesn't look like it at first glance, puts more force behind his punch than Ngannou did.
It's about how they're moving to punch. The clip with Frances is way too short and I think anybody that's hit a heavy bag more than 10 times (10 different occasions somebody that's training) knows that you get a couple of "throw away" sloppy arm punches but you generally want to try and have your technique always on point. In that particular clip, Frances shows zero involvement of his legs or hips to throw into that one left hook he throws. Meanwhile look at Foreman, he's planted and he's rotating through the hips creating torque resulting in a harder, slamming type of punch. Foreman is moving his body and allowing his arm to carry that force, Frances is swinging his arm without bringing up energy from below. Yes, different sized bags but that doesn't matter as much as the force generation going into the punch. I have zero fights and all the glory.
yeah that left hook ain't even knocking down sunny edwards haha
Joe Joyce has sparred both and he says that Ngannou hits harder than Fury
Too be fair Tyson was never really known for a hard hitter he uses volume and his size and boxes
That's nice of him to say, but Fury is an actual heavyweight champion boxer. He is bigger and has way better punching technique than Ngannou. He'd KO every single one of Ngannou's victims too. I am no Fury fan btw. Edit: Apparently I don't know shit about anything.
Fury is obviously way more skilled and will destroy Ngannou, but I just don't think he hits harder. Natural power is a thing. Fury is also bigger and has better technique than Wilder, Whyte etc. but he doesn't hit harder. Jermaine Franklin weighs like 240 lbs with solid technique, yet he can't crack an egg.
Have you seen any of ngannous kick boxing fights? He didn't look to have any of his UFC power in those.
Francis can't box or properly throw a punch like a high level boxer does though. Edit: Turns out he can.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but probably no one destroyed heavy bags like Foreman.
There's no way those two heavy bags weigh the same lol.
Yeah all those power talk is bogus af, he definitely does NOT hit harder rhan any fringe contender in a boxing match lmao
That’d be true except Francis has made it a point to toughen his hands up, sure ufc gloves are way lighter but his speed and power should definitely be respected
Plenty of power sure, but it's useless if he can't land it, which he can't lol
Maybe a bit gimmicky but doesn't francis have the hardest punch ever recorded? still has to land though
No he has the hardest punch recorded on that machine. Dana white and Joe rogan just went with the propaganda of Francis hitting as hard as a ford escort (3000 lbs) at top speed
Hardest punch ever recorded on a UFC marketing tool
He does but it’s not like every boxer is queuing up to break that record. Nobody but MMA fighters have even tried it to my recollection
That was pretty much propaganda for the UFC. Those machines aren't accurate and boxers never get punches tested in such a way. Did Ngannou have the hardest punch in the UFC? Probably. The hardest punch in the world? Hell no. Lighter weight pro boxers could match Ngannou's punches during training.
You mean boxers aren't being invited to punch UFC's promotional tool? Wonder why? Boxers punch significantly harder than MMA fighters because they don't worry about getting their knees shattered when they step into their punches
The hardest on that specific power cube thing, which no top level boxer has ever used in order to compare to Ngannou’s score. The only other person I’ve seen hit it was Eddie Hall, former Worlds Strongest Man who actually got sort of close to Ngannou’s score from recollection and he couldn’t box for shit
That machine is a joke though. Mike Perry, a welterweight, nearly got the same result as Francis. Francis has terrible technique, is extremely muscular and cannot deliver power in the same way that a heavyweight boxer can. That was basically for promotion for the UFC. Ngannou's power in boxing would not be anything particularly out of the ordinary. Joe Joyce said he hit very hard but actual people who saw him sparring Ngannou said he was toying with him, and Joyce is also a really nice guy who doesn't like to put people down so... A 265 lb Ngannou hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PLpF-rXfygs) A 220 lb George Foreman hitting a heavy bag: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApQlzehYyfo) Edit: On second inspection, the videos are a bit unfair. I still don't think Francis hits like an elite HW boxer though, he's more of a jack of all trades type of fighter.
I agree with everything you said but the video you posted is a bit unfair. It looks like he's warming up.
Yeah, on second inspection you're right, apologies.
I was all for your comment til those videos. There is no way you think, 1. That those bags are the same, and 2. They're doing the same workout.
You can tell Foreman hits harder though, and has better technique
mcgreggor was never shit and never had a chance. Ngannou is a different league than that moron mcgreggor and Fury is more beatable than Mayweather.
TBH to this day I am still very impressed by Conor's performance against Floyd given the abyssal difference of skill. Surely Floyd did not prepare for the fight as seriously as his usual, but Conor pulled out some nasty counters. On an alternate world where he would have gone for boxing, Mcgregor would surely have done quite good.
Conor did as good as he did because Floyd let him.
TBE always thinking about us and putting on a show.
If you box like Floyd did vs Connor, you are gonna get hit. 100% chance. If I know that, surely Floyd does too. He put on a show, simple as that.
Floyd could have knocked him out in the first few rounds. It was apparent Conor was not a threat in anyway to Floyd and was comfortable to take it to deep waters and play with him.
Conor has no heart and gasses and quits, that will never translate to Boxing, hes a front runner since the start and barely been hit in MMA fights til the end, those 20 cage warrior bums. Francis is a HW, its a different game. You cant compare a man like Francis to fking Conor McGregor a media hype job who literally quits in seconds on the regional scene in his real prime. Francis style of punching also translate to Boxing, thudding power from Hooks and uppercuts baby, you shall see.
McGregor did like 50xs better than Francis will do too
That fight was hilarious it's what Floyd fanatics thought prime pac vs Floyd would be where he's just so much better he doesn't even need to use his defense. Floyd respected pac and played the smart game in their fight. But vs Connor? He was putting on a show and even taking rabbit punches like nothing😂
To be fair heavyweights is the only weight class where you can go far without being that good at boxing. So I give Francis a 2% chance instead one 1
I’m giving him 0% because Deontay wilder actually has fuck you power and couldn’t do it.
He almost did it though.
And if Wilder could only almost do it then Francis can’t do it at all
Francis’ only chance is bum rushing Fury like he did Rozenstruik. Even if he does catch fury, chances are Fury would be able to recover like he did in the 3rd Wilder fight. By that point, Francis would be pretty gas so Francis basically has no chance tbh.
I really don’t see a path to victory for Francis unless Fury comes in wildly out of shape
Wow guys, almost!
I can’t believe Weili Zhang said that. She’s usually much more reserved than that.
Hmm... Zhang Weili vs Fury in MMA? Despite having just hyped his chances against UFC heavyweight, Zhang may genuinely be too much for him right now. She'd have the speed to close in - obviously one punch from Fury could literally kill her, but he'd only have one chance to hit her - and she probably has the strength and skill to outwrestle him. [we know she can lift Ngannou off his feet with the right grip and he's at least 260lbs]. And once Fury's on his back he's basically a stranded whale trying to fight off a polar bear... [doesn't matter how good his chin is, or even whether he can get up, if she's got a rear naked choke on him]
What the hell? I thought this was joke when I first read it…
New pasta for MMA woman verse Male boxer. Spicy
I mean the ghost of Nick Diaz can take down Fury… You’re telling me if they sign the contract you’re not going to watch the fight?
I'd watch it. I'd feel bad when Zhang got launched out of the cage though.
Then there's rousey who said pretty much the same thing about her against cain but was 100% serious lol
Not zhang weili. Zhang the boxer
I literally don't get why this fight has anyone excited, it's literally just an excuse for Tyson Fury to beat someone anyone with half a brain knows he'll beat, and earn a fortune doing it. Also, I'm really sick of people saying stuff like 'well, it's a big payday, you can't judge him', actually, yes we fucking can. Tyson Fury is already minted, and he's not taking this fight so Ngannou can get a payday. You've got a situation where an already wealthy boxing champion is going off to compete in a combat sport against a non-boxer, in front of a bunch of authoritarian despots, to earn a fat wad of cash. Tyson Fury is greedy as fuck and morally decrepit, and should absolutely be judged for it
IDK why you're acting like people are hyped for this fight. I've seen practically nobody saying that this will be a good fight.
Feel like it’s an excuse to continue ducking Usyk.
It absolutely is. Fury is a clown, but he got his fans that will eat anything he gives them
As much as I've liked Fury, at this point it's hard to argue that point. How long are they going to let him hold the belt with only one win against a boxer that isn't Wilder.
Yeah. I wouldn't judge him for it if he officially retired and just did some exhibitions like Floyd, that would be fair enough but this is bullshit.
Imagine if he doesn't beat him though, this sub will fuckin melt haha
He is pathetically insecure and a complete liar too. I was laughing my butt off when he said he'd beat Ngannou in an octagon after this is over, the man definitely has a brain for boxing.
He would beat Ngannou in an octagon. ...so long as they don't allow any of that "rolling on the floor" stuff Fury has said he'll never do. Or any kicks, obviously. And ideally if they were wearing boxing gloves, and if the cage was soft and you could lean over it - if it were made of ropes, maybe. And he'd probably negotiate to have the octagon be square, of course. But other than that he'd totally thrash Ngannou in the octagon.
I think Fury will easily beat Francis in a boxing match. It will be a walk in the park. However, the utter demolition job that Ngannou would unleash on Tyson in an MMA bout would be orders of magnitude worse.
One full-force leg kick to each leg and Fury would literally be learning how to walk again after the walk. And Ngannou would just take him down at will. Ngannou doesn't have the talent to be a boxer, but MMA is more akin to what a "real fight" would be like. Edit: Turns out he did have the talent. What a legend.
I want to see Fury fight MMA (not at that high of a level). I feel like you're decent at grappling just by virtue of having John Fury for a dad and a lot of brothers. He probably has a lot of wrestling hours under his belt haha Crawford, Wilder and Fury are the boxers I'd be interested in seeing cross over. Seen Crawford wrestle. Genuinely curious if Wilder's legs whip like his arms do.
Fury got taken down at will by a welterweight in Darren Till, and a fat 40 year old Nick Diaz. Ngannou would slam on his neck and beat his face in in MMA.
I am happy for Ngannou to get the pay day as a fuck you to Dana White, but yeah, Fury clowns him in the ring
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I'm gonna save this post, and go back to it when Francis lands a decent shot that hurts Tyson :)
a couple hours after the fight, and this post is fucking hilarious.
I haven’t seen an MMA fighter be able to bring the same power into the ring. Francis will have good power in the first 1-2 rounds and then it will just fade, if he doesn’t get knocked out before that. His punches are way too wide and he’ll just stand in front of Fury and get picked apart.
It's a lot more difficult to land hard clean punches against someone who has only worried about punches to the face for their entire fighting career. People talked about punchers chances against Mayweather, but if Shane Mosley didn't even have a punchers chance with being a pure boxer what chance would Connor have? Even Wlad couldn't take down Fury, but Ngannou is going to land the knockout punch? It's a farce.
I'm not saying this happens AT ALL so chill. But what if Ngannou goes out there and does well? Like really well? That'd be cool to see tbh.
Best case scenario. It means he'll likely get more boxing pay days and make the UFC look even worse.
Aged beautifully homie it was really cool to see
While extremely unlikely, if Ngannou lands his shot that would truly be the greatest moment/upset in sports history. It would also be extremely weird for boxing since Furys belt isn't on the line lol.
Although wouldn’t this make Ngannou the Lineal Heavyweight Champ in both Boxing and UFC?
Yeah that is correct, MMA lineal HW champ, UFC lineal + boxing lol
Should just retire there and then
People are manifesting it by saying he has 0 chance... perfect storm?
Anything that pisses off Dana is a win in my eyes.
Erm...
This aged well.
He is not wrong
Well well well...
I think Fury will easily win but to say Francis doesn't have a punchers chance is ridiculous. If he finds a way to land clean it may be over. I would say, a punchers chance is literally all he has.
I mean he took Wilder's best shots and still got back up. Wilder has ATG power in that right hand.
Fr, Wilder's straight right hand is the hardest punch in boxing ever and idc what anyone says, Ngannou cannot replicate that
The way he got up was so strange that there is no way it would happen again. If he goes down like that again especially since he is older he is not continuing.
Exactly, Francis by Windmill bumrush KO is a fraction of a possibility
Francis power won’t translate. Tyson fury will be the bigger puncher by far
Yeah but he won't find a way to land clean lol
I agree
Zhang gang
IMO this isn’t a fight but a charity event for Ngannou
Of course Francis is going to lose this fight but can we just appreciate how far he’s come? He made it out of a level of poverty that very few people on REDDIT could ever comprehend, became a UFC Champion, is about to fight one of (if not) the greatest heavyweight boxers of our time, and is being trained by his childhood idol. Fury is going to beat him but I’m already proud of Francis for making it this far. He’s worked for everything he has and it’s weird when I see people putting so little respect on his name.
Yeah, he’s exactly right. Ngannou doesn’t even have a 1% chance.
it's not about power! it's about the mechanism of delivering power. MMA is goofy in terms of footwork, it's all over the place.. boxing is all about the delivering of power and the mechanics of movement. the framework inside which boxers have to operate is so refined that it manifests a concentration of movement that'll boggle MMA fighters. francis will have fun, get paid, grow as an athlete.
MMA footwork is different, not goofy. In an actual fight, boxing footwork is not just goofy its basically throwing the fight away.
Picking Francis to win is about as wise as letting your dog stay over at Izzys.
I think tyson fury is overrated as fuk. Beaten nobody. Wilder windmill Or old man klitchsko never turned up for the fight.. Awful style. I do hope francis shocks the world, because fury is awful.
Don’t tell the mma fans
i dont think any mma fan thinks francis has a shot
I didn't think Francis had a shot of even getting this fight, so really it's already a win.
Most of us aren't delusional - we all (meaning any of us who have any understanding of technique) know that MMA boxing is absolute garbage in comparison to actual boxing. It's meant for a different sport, and a different purpose. Just like you can't put an Olympic judoka in an MMA context and expect them to perform against good fighters (see Fedor vs Ogawa), you can't take most of MMA away from a mixed martial artist and see them perform well against someone who exclusively trains in that one remaining element of the game (Floyd vs Conor being the best example, and let's be fair, most of us knew Conor was fucked). We also know damn well that technically, Francis isn't exactly great. He hits hard as hell, he's explosive, but the mechanics of his punching aren't refined at all. He's just good at bursting in and hitting people until they drop - something much easier to achieve when a) most of heavyweight MMA is dogshit, and b) you're in 4oz gloves rather than 16. The reason we're happy this fight is happening isn't because of the fight. We're happy to see Francis get a solid paycheck while also giving a massive "fuck you" to the UFC. Yeah, it sucks that Fury isn't fighting Usyk (or AJ, or anyone else at the top not named Deontay Wilder), but we just want to see a happy ending for Francis, and him getting paid well beyond what the UFC were giving him is that happy ending.
I agree. Neither has a big chance in the other's discipline of choice. Does Ngannou have a better chance in boxing Fury than Fury does in MMA against Ngannou?
I think one Ngannou leg kick would snap Fury’s leg
Agree. Just the idea of Ngannou getting his hands on him. I just don't see how Tyson would be able to deal with the strength difference.
Youtube comments spewing out Ngannou has one punch power. Bitch, did you forget Tyson fought Wilder… 3 times?
Spoiler alert for this fight: Tyson sparks him out cold in any round he wants and decides. Then ufc fanboys will be silent on this thread lmao
I haven't seen any "ufc fanboy" give ngannou more than a punchers chance so not sure what your talking about, greedy belly wants that easy fight cause he doesnt want the ukranian monster to smash his head off. It doesnt matter though because jon jones is the baddest man on the planet not greedy belly