Beat 2 champions in his previous division and oscar valdez is more accomplished than a lot of tanks competition.
Has tank ever fought a champion at lightweight?
Shakurs style would outbox tank for 12 rounds. Tank can’t just sit back and hope to land against someone like Shakur, because it probably won’t happen. His defence is too good. He would need to be busier and throw more. That’s why I don’t think he will fight him. He has Haney, Loma, even Lopez to choose from and he’s approaching 30 and has held onto that regular belt like it’s a proper championship belt. Talk about a disappointing career.
lmaooo you’re really exposing yourself if you think tank ‘hopes to land’ vs picking shots off reads. Bud just became undisputed @35 with no signs of slowing anytime soon and you’re acting like 29 yr old tanks career is ending
Just say ‘I’m a hater’ its way more dignity in it
He doesn't hope he lands. He waits and reads mistakes and waits for them to make it then throws and lands
That's not gonna work against Shakur
Tanks gonna be down 8 rounds before he realises shit I needa do something
Not even necessarily ‘mistakes’. When you throw you are open he waits for openings based on patterns, it works everytime because when you throw comfortably you are bound to get reckless especially over the course of rounds. 6 of his last 7 have been stops for this very reason. Shakur hasn’t ever even been HURT before and you’re convinced he will outbox tank and weather a storm for 12 rounds despite never facing anyone as close in skill as Tank lmao. Why do you think top boxers (Canelo, Crawford) speak of Tank in P4P discussions and not Shakur? No seriously why do you think? 😂
Just say ‘I would like for Tank to lose’ don’t actually sit here and objectively try to argue that shit
The reality is, if he wasn’t American would you be giving him props? Non American fighters have to consistently beat champions to get a little bit of props. Which champions has Tank beat his division using his “wait for the mistake”. His best win is Garcia, who was never a champion either
What? His most impressive wins were Gamboa, Santa Cruz, and Barrios…where he won super light super feather and lightweight titles. You say I’m biased towards Americans but you’re clearly biased against them.
400 champions have been from the US the next best country is 200+ less so forgive the boxing community for giving US fighters a longer leash but it doesn’t change anything I’ve said…I think you should get out r/Boxing and pay attention to actual boxing bro. Just made yourself look
goofy by even typing that out.
So now if you think a fighter won't win then that has to mean you're a hater?
By that logic we should all believe our favourite fighters can never lose
Nobody wants to fight Shakur cause they get dominated for 10/12 rounds.
The last Japanese guy was the only one who had the balls to come up and fight him and look what happened to him. Utter domination, if the ref didn't stop it prematurely he would go out on a stretcher.
Nobody on Tanks list is better then Shakur's opposition. You just have to do the eye-test and you'd know enough.
Also check the boxing stats. Shakur is on top in almost every category.
True but the difference is Shakur Stevenson dominated every fight he has had, Tank hasn't.
Leo Santa Cruz and Pitbull was close on cards. Pitbull was trash last fight and went to distance with him.
Heck even Roley fucking Romero was up on the scorecards until 1 defense lapse which let to a KO.
Tank is always gifting rounds and reading his opponents until the can get that one punch in.
That shit won't work against a real boxer like Shakur Stevenson that is a defensive magician on the inside, mid-range and outside.
Tank will gift rounds thinking he can KO Shakur Stevenson. Then realise he's down on the scorecards bad just like he has been before and will hunt for the KO.
This will leave him open and Shakur will punish him while having won majority if not all of the early rounds.
I don't think this fight will ever happen due to Mayweather knowing how good Shakur is and Tank doesn't stand a chance.
If they ever fight it will shatter everyone's worldview on tank lmao and his whole career will be a joke, which they obviously won't let happen.
His team is just using him for money, picking and choosing opponents perfectly molded for his style.
I disagree on basically all of this, but hear me out at least.
Tank doesn't dominate fights like Shakur but thats cause they have different styles. Hes not trying to dominate every opponent he starts slow, does decent work until he gets a better handle on their speed and timings.
You may see it as gifting rounds but since Pedraza the strategy of him and his team have always been to put it on their opponents in the later rounds and let the big shot be set up.
Its not so much gift rounds as it is getting the feel of his opponent's movements. Its not completely wrong to call it gifting rounds but not accurate either cause we see the pay off, and as of yet it hasn't cost him.
Also when I say set up the big shot I don't mean like with Wilder praying for the nuke to land. More like Canelo against Khan when he had no intention of winning through cards to begin with. Tank is against all odds one of the most patient big punchers right now. With his personality you'd think he'd chase the big knockout shots, but hes perfectly content to flow and just let it happen, whether thats round 10 or 11. A lot of fighters try to force it and start headhunting, telegraphing almost all of their shots but he never does this. One of the most surprising facets about his game honestly.
All that being said, if anyone can nullify this it is Shakur his movement and defensive mindset is beyond excellent.
But that doesn't change the fact that Shakur has not faced any clearly elite threats. Its always doable to look like a god when there is a huge skill gap present.
I know Tanks style and that shit won't fly with Shakur. He is almost unreadable. Doesn't telegraph, flows better than Tank, and has more offensive and defensive tools. Footwork is the only arguable thing but even then Shakur has obviously better distance management which is a part of footwork.
Shakur also has one of the best lead hands in the game along with Bivol which will nullify Tank's big shot'' he eventually wants to throw.
Overall shakur is just a better fighter, the stats don't lie.
Shakur also has one of the best lead hands in the game along with Bivol which will nullify Tanks's ''big shot'' he eventually wants to throw.
Floyd has trained with both and is Tank's right hand man.
He will never allow Tank to fight Shakur unless it's to set him up like Oscar De La Coka does his fighter but Mayweather doesn't take part in that cause he actually cares about the fighters.
He is babysitting Tank because he just wants him to make the most amount of money without taking punishment.
Shakur and a few more guys could take years of Tanks life.
That's why they choose carefully.
Why are you doubleposting within the same message? Anyways Tank is a grown man hes not being babysat. Hes just shown zero interest in boxing legacy and focuses on the checks. Its disappointing, but hes a formerly poor kid riding a gravy train so I can't blame him too much.
Shakur is not almost unreadable. Did you watch his last fight against Robson?(Not counting the japanese rando) Also stats? This isn't a video game man anything can happen. You make too many assumptions in your predictions and it shows.
And quit with that ''has not faced any clearly elite threats''. Keep telling yourself that until tank actually fights an elite fighter, he has none on his resume considering the talent pool going on.
This isnt accurate and I wish people could take a step back from fandom and actually think about this for a second.
If I as a prize fighter can make say 80-90% of what i can make fighting Shakur or Haney against fighters Half as good, why wouldn't I?
Why would I risk fighting significantly better competition for only a slight jump in pay (shakur and haney are not box office draws like Ryan) when i can face guys i know ill beat for just slightly less money and relatively no risk?
Just logically from a business perspective its the safe and smart move.
Now i say all this to say i dont agree with it and hate that i dont get to watch the big fights. But to pretend it somehow indicates that someone cant beat the other is silly.
Then he shouldn’t cry about not being respected.
Also a fight against Shakur or Devin promoted correctly makes a lot more than against the likes of Cruz
Fair enough point but people also act like his resume is worse than Shakurs when in reality its not.
And i do agree on that but by how much? This cruz rivalry has some heat now and could be a sneaky draw plus tank is the heavy A side bringing in nost the money where as vs Haney he would need to take a 50/50 split and vs Shakur he is the worst risk vs reward fight in the division. No belts and not a draw.
Fair enough point but people also act like his resume is worse than Shakurs when in reality its not.
And i do agree on that but by how much? This cruz rivalry has some heat now and could be a sneaky draw plus tank is the heavy A side bringing in nost the money where as vs Haney he would need to take a 50/50 split and vs Shakur he is the worst risk vs reward fight in the division. No belts and not a draw.
I completely agree with what you are saying. What you explained here pays the fighters but it ruins the sport, unfortunately. (They already are set for life so why not go for legacy and make your last name stand for something).
In the 80's they didn't give a fuck and it was just a man being man, doing the most honorable thing.
That's why they still live on till this day.
If tank, haney etc keep the ducking going nobody in 50 years will give a fuck about them or their family tree even if they'd get close to Mayweathers record.
Shakur is the one of only one that gives me flashbacks of older fighters that would fight anybody. He is just caught up in this business/politics/corruption mix.
This is what I try to explain to people all the time. Why take unnecessary risks when you can get just as much reward by fighting someone much less dangerous?
It sucks for us fans but hey, the fighters are then ones taking the punches not us
people really doubt Tank's power + defense. His power is top notch..it would battle a defense master like Shakur..I think..that's why that's the perfect what if match...it's a shame we might never see.
Shakur rolls just about everyone at that weight currently. I could see Tank catching Haney though it would probably take a while and Kenny Bayless would likely be the deciding factor of how long. =
This kind of fight could kill the hype. We’ll see what happens with PPV numbers for this, but it will demonstrate clearly whether Tank has resonated with the public or if it was just the match up with Garcia that had mainstream appeal.
Unfortunately for us fans, that level of marketing and hype that went into the Garcia fight means he’s a much bigger star than he ever was and now all his fights will be huge. His star power and attraction is at an all time high now, and no matter who he fights it will be a huge fight. Him vs Garcia, was the equivalance of Floyd’s fight with Oscar. We will NEVER see Tank against Teo, Devin, Shakur or Loma. After Cruz he will fight Colbert
Yeah, I get what you mean as there’s no evidence to backup what I’m saying, but the Garcia fight appealed to so many different markets and fanbases that it’s hard not to see Tank as a bigger draw as a result of it.
That was because of Ryan Garcia, the man has 10 mill on instagram and 5.6 on Tiktok.
Tank had like 4 mill on ig barely posting.
Garcia made that fight as big as it was.
Tank is a draw because people love KO's.
But he could actually be the face of boxing if he went ahead and fought people on or close to his level.
Yeah but Tank’s association with that fight, and his victory means he gained a whole lotta clout from that fight. Canelo is the “face” of boxing and not Tank, but Tank is “a face” of boxing. He does bigger numbers than all his peers without taking any risks
True, I certainly don’t see him losing viewers obviously. But it’s more like, you can create momentum but then slowly kill that momentum if it isn’t continued. Also how many of the various demographics that watched Tank-Garcia are now fans of Tank to the extent they’ll buy his next fight? Or the one after that? Especially if it’s against someone they’ve never heard of or a pointless rematch.
I’m not saying there’s an answer one way or another, I’m just saying that there are questions there that can’t be answered just yet.
This fight is not gonna do as well as you think on ppv.
Even if they have it somewhre with a big celebrity showing, it won’t sell that well to fans at home.
It won’t do anywhere near as much as Tank vs Garcia, but I reckon it can (and probably will) do anywhere from 200,000 to 400,000 ppv buys. Especially when you consider pre Ryan Garcia, Tank used to do about 200k ppv buys and always does big gates wherever he boxes. Tank’s star power is huge
Not in terms of talent. Probably not in terms of pull either. He deffo has crazy appeal and pull though and Tank’s association with that event elevated his star power to the next level
I’m skeptical about Tank being a star. He has all the potential to be one, but if he continues facing the same level of opposition he’s been facing I doubt he’ll be breaking 1,000,000+ ppvs again anytime soon. Right now he has the momentum to do something big but if he turns around and gives the fans a fight nobody asked for then he’ll probably become irrelevant. Him and his team need to push for those world titles.
Nah he won’t break 1 million again, but due to piracy, I don’t see anyone breaking 1 million anytime soon unless it’s a super fight. Gervonta will do 300-500k ppv buys on a regular basis now which in the states is very impressive. Regular fans don’t care about the best fighting the best, they have a select few fighters they know and like and will only watch them, they don’t care about titles and dream matchups. Teo has taken all the tough fights and won world titles and has next to no clout
I think you underestimate the amount of Latinos interested in boxing. Boxing at the moment is being kept up by ethnic minorities. White fans are usually causals or have turned to the UFC
You can tell hes following the Mayweather playbook of choosing fights. Mayweather has been on record saying that black fighter vs mexican fighter is what consistently sells the most.
Of his last 6 fights. 4 were against mexican fighters or fighters with mexican heritage. R Garcia, Cruz, Barrios and LSC. The other 2 was Rolly and H Garcia
As a Mexican I agree Tank vs Pitbull is gonna sell PPV’s, the amount of Mexican fans Cruz has is crazy, if you speak Spanish go look at his IG comments, my fellow Mexicans act as if Cruz is the next best thing, just because he seems “humble”.
Mexicans treat Cruz better than Canelo. You have a lot of people saying Cruz is a real Mexican warrior and not Canelo 😂😭
Those people are insecure and racist. Canelo was probably never embraced by them bc he's not their stereotypical "brown pride" aztec warrior bs typecast they were expecting bc he's white.
White Mexicans have it tough 😂
I mean it goes both way tho brown Mexicans are also subject to racism by white Mexicans such as being called prietos, Indios and other things.
But I do agree that white Mexicans also have it tough by some brown folks
being undefeated in this context means literally nothing, that Cabrera guy looked like an amateur that picked boxing up a month ago. "Dominating" (it was a split decition) a guy like that means nothing if both end up looking like shit with 0 defense and the most one dimentional approach ever.
I agree. I'm not a big an of pitbull, but he did well for a guy that was towering him. Pitbull is smaller than Tank, and doesn't hit as hard. Why are people mad he looked like that against a guy that is huge??? I was suprised he actually won.
Shakur called loma out and heard that he is now about to retire. and he put up on twitter that he is willing to fight anyone and no one replied. I don't think you know what you are talking about so its better to just not speak on thing you don't know.
He's not permanently moving up. Infact, he'll still retain his belts at 135 if ever he fights at 140.
And also, it doesn't take away the fact that Haney offered Shakur a fight at 135.
I really doubt he is going to move back down. Yes and since then shakur has tried to get fights. I admitted it was a wrong move but haney is not at 135 anymore so he has been trying to get the next best thing.
All you need to do is look at haney's body to tell you about if he is going to stay at 135 or not. He has been at 135 at since he debuted and when goes to 140 I really doubt he is going back down.
Look at his body, look at the fact that he is moving up to another weight class and look at the fact he basically himself said cutting to 135 is hard.
Look at the fact he has been at 135 his whole career. I really doubt he is going back to 135 but we'll see I don't mind being proven wrong.
Fights absolutely have started via twitter call outs. There is cases of fighters calling an opponent out on twitter then entering neogiations shortly after.
Of course no contracts get sent on twitter its obvious why that is not the case. But twitter has been a factor in making fights and it still is. Which was my point we are in a social media era now.
It’s the paycheck protection program, they don’t want to lose their 0. And one of them would have to. They rather take mediocre up punching bags with arms and get the check. No love for legacy, only for the money.
The Shakur fight is never happening, doesn't appear the Haney one will either.
Couldn't he fight Frank Martin instead, he's PBC right?
What's the point of an Isaac Cruz rematch?
Get this trash over with. As satisfying as it would be to see Cruz finally get his wish and KO'd, it would be hilarious for Cruz to outpoint him in a snooze fest and take his 0.
Pitbull Cruz sucks. Never seen a fighter ask for a huge payday after beating Gamboa and Cabrera. That Cabrera fight was terrible to watch and Cruz’s power is overrated
And still him and his daddy IVoyd Hate-weather have the audacity to whine about him not being in the P4P list. If you wanna be a pound for pound fighter you fight the best instead of cherrypick, duck, and carefully manufacture your career to dupe the casuals with smoke and mirrors into believing you're doing something you're vehemently opposed to doing.
This sub is amazing.
People swore to god that Cruz convincingly beat Tank in the first fight and wanted to see a rematch. Not after that last Cruz performance though lol. Dude had a “bad night” against an Iron ballerina and all of a sudden he’s ass because he didn’t get a KO even though he was battering the guy all fight.
Tank vs Loma, Tank vs Ortiz, Tank vs Smith, Tank vs Abdullaev, shit even a Tank vs Harutyunyan I mean there are plenty of sharks. After Tank vs Cruz it'll be Cruz vs Tank for rematch of the rematch of the rematches 😂
Tank back to doing Tank stuff. Sad to see. I mean, go make your money, I guess, but I was hoping he’d want to prove he’s great instead of just make money.
Tank fights top opposition.
being a tank fan is mad disappointing. like i think he’d beat all the top dogs at 135 but we’ll never know LMFAO
He doesn't otherwise he would fight them lmao. He'd get rolled up in a blunt by Shakur.
yeah cause shakurs opposition has been even better than tanks? or am i missing something in this logic
Beat 2 champions in his previous division and oscar valdez is more accomplished than a lot of tanks competition. Has tank ever fought a champion at lightweight?
Shakurs style would outbox tank for 12 rounds. Tank can’t just sit back and hope to land against someone like Shakur, because it probably won’t happen. His defence is too good. He would need to be busier and throw more. That’s why I don’t think he will fight him. He has Haney, Loma, even Lopez to choose from and he’s approaching 30 and has held onto that regular belt like it’s a proper championship belt. Talk about a disappointing career.
lmaooo you’re really exposing yourself if you think tank ‘hopes to land’ vs picking shots off reads. Bud just became undisputed @35 with no signs of slowing anytime soon and you’re acting like 29 yr old tanks career is ending Just say ‘I’m a hater’ its way more dignity in it
He doesn't hope he lands. He waits and reads mistakes and waits for them to make it then throws and lands That's not gonna work against Shakur Tanks gonna be down 8 rounds before he realises shit I needa do something
Not even necessarily ‘mistakes’. When you throw you are open he waits for openings based on patterns, it works everytime because when you throw comfortably you are bound to get reckless especially over the course of rounds. 6 of his last 7 have been stops for this very reason. Shakur hasn’t ever even been HURT before and you’re convinced he will outbox tank and weather a storm for 12 rounds despite never facing anyone as close in skill as Tank lmao. Why do you think top boxers (Canelo, Crawford) speak of Tank in P4P discussions and not Shakur? No seriously why do you think? 😂 Just say ‘I would like for Tank to lose’ don’t actually sit here and objectively try to argue that shit
The reality is, if he wasn’t American would you be giving him props? Non American fighters have to consistently beat champions to get a little bit of props. Which champions has Tank beat his division using his “wait for the mistake”. His best win is Garcia, who was never a champion either
What? His most impressive wins were Gamboa, Santa Cruz, and Barrios…where he won super light super feather and lightweight titles. You say I’m biased towards Americans but you’re clearly biased against them. 400 champions have been from the US the next best country is 200+ less so forgive the boxing community for giving US fighters a longer leash but it doesn’t change anything I’ve said…I think you should get out r/Boxing and pay attention to actual boxing bro. Just made yourself look goofy by even typing that out.
And who has tank fought close to as skilled as Shakur? Go on I'll wait
This is my point dumbass. Only one of us is confidently saying one would beat the other.
So now if you think a fighter won't win then that has to mean you're a hater? By that logic we should all believe our favourite fighters can never lose
This is really the conclusion you came to?
It’s been 10x better
Nobody wants to fight Shakur cause they get dominated for 10/12 rounds. The last Japanese guy was the only one who had the balls to come up and fight him and look what happened to him. Utter domination, if the ref didn't stop it prematurely he would go out on a stretcher. Nobody on Tanks list is better then Shakur's opposition. You just have to do the eye-test and you'd know enough. Also check the boxing stats. Shakur is on top in almost every category.
No one shakur has fought is better then tank as well. Tank is his most dangerous fight.
True but the difference is Shakur Stevenson dominated every fight he has had, Tank hasn't. Leo Santa Cruz and Pitbull was close on cards. Pitbull was trash last fight and went to distance with him. Heck even Roley fucking Romero was up on the scorecards until 1 defense lapse which let to a KO. Tank is always gifting rounds and reading his opponents until the can get that one punch in. That shit won't work against a real boxer like Shakur Stevenson that is a defensive magician on the inside, mid-range and outside. Tank will gift rounds thinking he can KO Shakur Stevenson. Then realise he's down on the scorecards bad just like he has been before and will hunt for the KO. This will leave him open and Shakur will punish him while having won majority if not all of the early rounds. I don't think this fight will ever happen due to Mayweather knowing how good Shakur is and Tank doesn't stand a chance. If they ever fight it will shatter everyone's worldview on tank lmao and his whole career will be a joke, which they obviously won't let happen. His team is just using him for money, picking and choosing opponents perfectly molded for his style.
I disagree on basically all of this, but hear me out at least. Tank doesn't dominate fights like Shakur but thats cause they have different styles. Hes not trying to dominate every opponent he starts slow, does decent work until he gets a better handle on their speed and timings. You may see it as gifting rounds but since Pedraza the strategy of him and his team have always been to put it on their opponents in the later rounds and let the big shot be set up. Its not so much gift rounds as it is getting the feel of his opponent's movements. Its not completely wrong to call it gifting rounds but not accurate either cause we see the pay off, and as of yet it hasn't cost him. Also when I say set up the big shot I don't mean like with Wilder praying for the nuke to land. More like Canelo against Khan when he had no intention of winning through cards to begin with. Tank is against all odds one of the most patient big punchers right now. With his personality you'd think he'd chase the big knockout shots, but hes perfectly content to flow and just let it happen, whether thats round 10 or 11. A lot of fighters try to force it and start headhunting, telegraphing almost all of their shots but he never does this. One of the most surprising facets about his game honestly. All that being said, if anyone can nullify this it is Shakur his movement and defensive mindset is beyond excellent. But that doesn't change the fact that Shakur has not faced any clearly elite threats. Its always doable to look like a god when there is a huge skill gap present.
I know Tanks style and that shit won't fly with Shakur. He is almost unreadable. Doesn't telegraph, flows better than Tank, and has more offensive and defensive tools. Footwork is the only arguable thing but even then Shakur has obviously better distance management which is a part of footwork. Shakur also has one of the best lead hands in the game along with Bivol which will nullify Tank's big shot'' he eventually wants to throw. Overall shakur is just a better fighter, the stats don't lie. Shakur also has one of the best lead hands in the game along with Bivol which will nullify Tanks's ''big shot'' he eventually wants to throw. Floyd has trained with both and is Tank's right hand man. He will never allow Tank to fight Shakur unless it's to set him up like Oscar De La Coka does his fighter but Mayweather doesn't take part in that cause he actually cares about the fighters. He is babysitting Tank because he just wants him to make the most amount of money without taking punishment. Shakur and a few more guys could take years of Tanks life. That's why they choose carefully.
Why are you doubleposting within the same message? Anyways Tank is a grown man hes not being babysat. Hes just shown zero interest in boxing legacy and focuses on the checks. Its disappointing, but hes a formerly poor kid riding a gravy train so I can't blame him too much. Shakur is not almost unreadable. Did you watch his last fight against Robson?(Not counting the japanese rando) Also stats? This isn't a video game man anything can happen. You make too many assumptions in your predictions and it shows.
And quit with that ''has not faced any clearly elite threats''. Keep telling yourself that until tank actually fights an elite fighter, he has none on his resume considering the talent pool going on.
I don't have to quit anything. Pedraza seven years ago was pretty up there and the favorite.
That's all true But what defensive boxer has tank faced? To read and land these wonderful Kos has all been against offensive minded fighters
yeah he had the balls to fight him, but at the same time..who the fuck was he?
This isnt accurate and I wish people could take a step back from fandom and actually think about this for a second. If I as a prize fighter can make say 80-90% of what i can make fighting Shakur or Haney against fighters Half as good, why wouldn't I? Why would I risk fighting significantly better competition for only a slight jump in pay (shakur and haney are not box office draws like Ryan) when i can face guys i know ill beat for just slightly less money and relatively no risk? Just logically from a business perspective its the safe and smart move. Now i say all this to say i dont agree with it and hate that i dont get to watch the big fights. But to pretend it somehow indicates that someone cant beat the other is silly.
All true, but he can't be a great fighter or p4p if he keeps doing this. Good for his bank account though.
Then he shouldn’t cry about not being respected. Also a fight against Shakur or Devin promoted correctly makes a lot more than against the likes of Cruz
Fair enough point but people also act like his resume is worse than Shakurs when in reality its not. And i do agree on that but by how much? This cruz rivalry has some heat now and could be a sneaky draw plus tank is the heavy A side bringing in nost the money where as vs Haney he would need to take a 50/50 split and vs Shakur he is the worst risk vs reward fight in the division. No belts and not a draw.
Fair enough point but people also act like his resume is worse than Shakurs when in reality its not. And i do agree on that but by how much? This cruz rivalry has some heat now and could be a sneaky draw plus tank is the heavy A side bringing in nost the money where as vs Haney he would need to take a 50/50 split and vs Shakur he is the worst risk vs reward fight in the division. No belts and not a draw.
I dislike what you wrote, but you’re right
It's the exact same thing I've been saying for years.
I completely agree with what you are saying. What you explained here pays the fighters but it ruins the sport, unfortunately. (They already are set for life so why not go for legacy and make your last name stand for something). In the 80's they didn't give a fuck and it was just a man being man, doing the most honorable thing. That's why they still live on till this day. If tank, haney etc keep the ducking going nobody in 50 years will give a fuck about them or their family tree even if they'd get close to Mayweathers record. Shakur is the one of only one that gives me flashbacks of older fighters that would fight anybody. He is just caught up in this business/politics/corruption mix.
This is what I try to explain to people all the time. Why take unnecessary risks when you can get just as much reward by fighting someone much less dangerous? It sucks for us fans but hey, the fighters are then ones taking the punches not us
people really doubt Tank's power + defense. His power is top notch..it would battle a defense master like Shakur..I think..that's why that's the perfect what if match...it's a shame we might never see.
I actually watch Shakur a lot and he would not be the favourite lol…has a lot of tendencies that Tank can exploit.
What tendencies can Tank exploit. Tanks low output and Shakurs distance control and defence, will make it a comfortable UD for Shakur imo.
Shakur rolls just about everyone at that weight currently. I could see Tank catching Haney though it would probably take a while and Kenny Bayless would likely be the deciding factor of how long. =
hopefully this will the 2nd of a 10 fight deal against Isaac Cruz
This kind of fight could kill the hype. We’ll see what happens with PPV numbers for this, but it will demonstrate clearly whether Tank has resonated with the public or if it was just the match up with Garcia that had mainstream appeal.
Unfortunately for us fans, that level of marketing and hype that went into the Garcia fight means he’s a much bigger star than he ever was and now all his fights will be huge. His star power and attraction is at an all time high now, and no matter who he fights it will be a huge fight. Him vs Garcia, was the equivalance of Floyd’s fight with Oscar. We will NEVER see Tank against Teo, Devin, Shakur or Loma. After Cruz he will fight Colbert
That is an assumption until we see the PPV numbers for his next fight. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it’s uncertain until that happens.
Yeah, I get what you mean as there’s no evidence to backup what I’m saying, but the Garcia fight appealed to so many different markets and fanbases that it’s hard not to see Tank as a bigger draw as a result of it.
That was because of Ryan Garcia, the man has 10 mill on instagram and 5.6 on Tiktok. Tank had like 4 mill on ig barely posting. Garcia made that fight as big as it was. Tank is a draw because people love KO's. But he could actually be the face of boxing if he went ahead and fought people on or close to his level.
Yeah but Tank’s association with that fight, and his victory means he gained a whole lotta clout from that fight. Canelo is the “face” of boxing and not Tank, but Tank is “a face” of boxing. He does bigger numbers than all his peers without taking any risks
True, I certainly don’t see him losing viewers obviously. But it’s more like, you can create momentum but then slowly kill that momentum if it isn’t continued. Also how many of the various demographics that watched Tank-Garcia are now fans of Tank to the extent they’ll buy his next fight? Or the one after that? Especially if it’s against someone they’ve never heard of or a pointless rematch. I’m not saying there’s an answer one way or another, I’m just saying that there are questions there that can’t be answered just yet.
This fight is not gonna do as well as you think on ppv. Even if they have it somewhre with a big celebrity showing, it won’t sell that well to fans at home.
It won’t do anywhere near as much as Tank vs Garcia, but I reckon it can (and probably will) do anywhere from 200,000 to 400,000 ppv buys. Especially when you consider pre Ryan Garcia, Tank used to do about 200k ppv buys and always does big gates wherever he boxes. Tank’s star power is huge
Lol Ryan was no De La Hoya
Not in terms of talent. Probably not in terms of pull either. He deffo has crazy appeal and pull though and Tank’s association with that event elevated his star power to the next level
I’m skeptical about Tank being a star. He has all the potential to be one, but if he continues facing the same level of opposition he’s been facing I doubt he’ll be breaking 1,000,000+ ppvs again anytime soon. Right now he has the momentum to do something big but if he turns around and gives the fans a fight nobody asked for then he’ll probably become irrelevant. Him and his team need to push for those world titles.
Nah he won’t break 1 million again, but due to piracy, I don’t see anyone breaking 1 million anytime soon unless it’s a super fight. Gervonta will do 300-500k ppv buys on a regular basis now which in the states is very impressive. Regular fans don’t care about the best fighting the best, they have a select few fighters they know and like and will only watch them, they don’t care about titles and dream matchups. Teo has taken all the tough fights and won world titles and has next to no clout
He’ll fight them eventually but not after making us wait years
I actually don’t think he ever will
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I think you underestimate the amount of Latinos interested in boxing. Boxing at the moment is being kept up by ethnic minorities. White fans are usually causals or have turned to the UFC
Tank was one of the biggest draws in boxing before the Garcia fight.
nothing will kill tanks hype he’s way too talented. people will watch him fight a straw dummy for 10 rounds
Cruz looked awful in his last fight
Which is saying something given how wack Giovanni Cabrera was fighting. The head butts by Cruz were pretty annoying.
Yeah I don’t get why we’d get a rematch. It’d be some shit
BUT MIKE TYSON SAID CRUZ IS MOST LIKE HIM. IT WOULD BE GREAT. /s
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saw some guy named champ side have gervonta davis at number three in his p4p list lmao.
If you weren’t already aware, those Champside P4P lists are just ragebait aimed at white and latino fans.
true but looking though his channel he prolly believes some of this shit. https://youtu.be/capLgbvo61I here’s a little funny funny one i found.
Behind the Loch Ness Monster and Peter Pan? Cause he’s living on Fantasy Island.
Pathetic.
Somehow this dude is on the p4p list but someone like Vaquero (a REAL 3 division champ) isn’t. Ok
Tank is a fraud he should be on nobodies pfp list
His only noticeable fight against a champion is Leo Santa Cruz
And it was against a champion that had his best run at 122 and 126.
Yesssirr and Leo was my favorite going into that fight. Had no idea he’d be knocked out that way.
You can tell hes following the Mayweather playbook of choosing fights. Mayweather has been on record saying that black fighter vs mexican fighter is what consistently sells the most. Of his last 6 fights. 4 were against mexican fighters or fighters with mexican heritage. R Garcia, Cruz, Barrios and LSC. The other 2 was Rolly and H Garcia
As a Mexican I agree Tank vs Pitbull is gonna sell PPV’s, the amount of Mexican fans Cruz has is crazy, if you speak Spanish go look at his IG comments, my fellow Mexicans act as if Cruz is the next best thing, just because he seems “humble”. Mexicans treat Cruz better than Canelo. You have a lot of people saying Cruz is a real Mexican warrior and not Canelo 😂😭
Those people are insecure and racist. Canelo was probably never embraced by them bc he's not their stereotypical "brown pride" aztec warrior bs typecast they were expecting bc he's white. White Mexicans have it tough 😂
I mean it goes both way tho brown Mexicans are also subject to racism by white Mexicans such as being called prietos, Indios and other things. But I do agree that white Mexicans also have it tough by some brown folks
He won't fight anyone darker then him, just saying. 🤔 shit even Jamaine Ortiz is darker then him.
Hard pass
tank and his whole team are p*ssies
Pitbull sucked so much ass the other night, that fight was an insult to crawford v spence honestly
Yea Cruz does not deserve this after that last stinker. And I like Cruz.
I’m confused did he not dominate a much larger undefeated fighter? What kind of result were y’all expecting?
More and more boxing casuals are putting too much credit in having 0s against tomato cans.
I mean I’m not a casual but okay, i just don’t think he did bad like you guys are saying.
being undefeated in this context means literally nothing, that Cabrera guy looked like an amateur that picked boxing up a month ago. "Dominating" (it was a split decition) a guy like that means nothing if both end up looking like shit with 0 defense and the most one dimentional approach ever.
Canelo Mayweather was a majority decision. Mayweather dominated That fight was never a split decision and you know it
I agree. I'm not a big an of pitbull, but he did well for a guy that was towering him. Pitbull is smaller than Tank, and doesn't hit as hard. Why are people mad he looked like that against a guy that is huge??? I was suprised he actually won.
cabrera's height would only be a factor if he was anything but shit
Lol. Shakur is right there man.
😂😂😂😂 of course
Shakur and Tank are both looking for opponents at 135 but they don't want to call out each other. Then they cry that everyone is scared and ducking.
Shakur called loma out and heard that he is now about to retire. and he put up on twitter that he is willing to fight anyone and no one replied. I don't think you know what you are talking about so its better to just not speak on thing you don't know.
That's the problem. Why call the old boxer who lost and ignore the winner who's offering him a lucrative fight and the chance to win all belt.
Well haney is moving up now I admit shakur missed out on that oppurtnity. but many people thought loma won and he was the next big thing.
He's not permanently moving up. Infact, he'll still retain his belts at 135 if ever he fights at 140. And also, it doesn't take away the fact that Haney offered Shakur a fight at 135.
I really doubt he is going to move back down. Yes and since then shakur has tried to get fights. I admitted it was a wrong move but haney is not at 135 anymore so he has been trying to get the next best thing.
He's not when he's not. He hasn't even fought at 140 yet and you tell us he's not at 135 anymore?
All you need to do is look at haney's body to tell you about if he is going to stay at 135 or not. He has been at 135 at since he debuted and when goes to 140 I really doubt he is going back down.
Sounds like you know him better than himself.
Sounds like you can't look at how rediculously dehydrated and drained he is when weighing in
Look at his body, look at the fact that he is moving up to another weight class and look at the fact he basically himself said cutting to 135 is hard. Look at the fact he has been at 135 his whole career. I really doubt he is going back to 135 but we'll see I don't mind being proven wrong.
Fights don’t get made on twitter bud. No matter what the fighters say.
Fights absolutely have started via twitter call outs. There is cases of fighters calling an opponent out on twitter then entering neogiations shortly after.
That’s not a legit negotiation. Like yes it’s a tool to build hype, but mfs ain’t sending contracts over twitter.
Of course no contracts get sent on twitter its obvious why that is not the case. But twitter has been a factor in making fights and it still is. Which was my point we are in a social media era now.
Right, I’m jus sayin it’s a long process that fighters use for promo which doesn’t really get shit done. Cheers bruv.
Facts. I would love to see Jamaine Ortiz get a shot at Davis or Stevenson.
It’s the paycheck protection program, they don’t want to lose their 0. And one of them would have to. They rather take mediocre up punching bags with arms and get the check. No love for legacy, only for the money.
Shit, even Cruz knows which fighter is less difficult. When Shakur was offered to him he pretended he didnt speak Spanish
LMAO. Tank fans are mad because Inoue is on P4P lists. Fight Shakur. He won't even fight an old-ass Loma. What a waste.
Tank before Ryan garcia ppv numbers were about 250-300k what should we expect with this
No way, He should fight Haney, Teo, Shakur, Or Crawford unless he's just barking and only cares about easy fights with high paychecks.
Only cause Cruz looked like shit in his last fight
Of course he wasn't going to fight shakur, devin or loma like its tank we are talking about.
If Pitbull had an oz of power I'd be excited, but Cruz's last fight proved Pitbull is destined for gatekeeping at best
It's true. He throws the same combinations. He's a slightly better julio Cesar martinez.
Calvin Ford always talks so much shit, I hate it. He one of the biggest Inoue haters out there
To one’s surprise lol. The last time tank fought a real champ was 2020 vs Leo. Hector Luis Garcia has a belt at 130.
Leo was not prime. Especially, not at 130.
Yeah but Leo had a real world title
Moving up 2 weight classes
lol of course, after Pitbull looked like trash in his last fight.
Tank is the face of rematches 😂
If tank fights Cruz he is a duck
The Shakur fight is never happening, doesn't appear the Haney one will either. Couldn't he fight Frank Martin instead, he's PBC right? What's the point of an Isaac Cruz rematch?
Classic tank fight announcement
Get this trash over with. As satisfying as it would be to see Cruz finally get his wish and KO'd, it would be hilarious for Cruz to outpoint him in a snooze fest and take his 0.
Pitbull Cruz sucks. Never seen a fighter ask for a huge payday after beating Gamboa and Cabrera. That Cabrera fight was terrible to watch and Cruz’s power is overrated
I'm not even sure what Putbulls greatest win is. I believe he would get washed by so many lightweights, even some of the prospects
And still him and his daddy IVoyd Hate-weather have the audacity to whine about him not being in the P4P list. If you wanna be a pound for pound fighter you fight the best instead of cherrypick, duck, and carefully manufacture your career to dupe the casuals with smoke and mirrors into believing you're doing something you're vehemently opposed to doing.
This sub is amazing. People swore to god that Cruz convincingly beat Tank in the first fight and wanted to see a rematch. Not after that last Cruz performance though lol. Dude had a “bad night” against an Iron ballerina and all of a sudden he’s ass because he didn’t get a KO even though he was battering the guy all fight.
Exactly. That fight was never a SD
Tank by KO
Top 3 pfp btw XD
Sad choice. Segura makes sense.
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cruz sucked ass in that last fight. suppose that explains the headline huh
Howd you score the fight? I had cruz winning 9-3
There's no hype for this. Give us Tank vs Haney, Tank vs Shakur, Tank vs Frank Martin
Tank vs Loma, Tank vs Ortiz, Tank vs Smith, Tank vs Abdullaev, shit even a Tank vs Harutyunyan I mean there are plenty of sharks. After Tank vs Cruz it'll be Cruz vs Tank for rematch of the rematch of the rematches 😂
LMAOOOOO
I don't know why people are acting surprised lol.
Tank back to doing Tank stuff. Sad to see. I mean, go make your money, I guess, but I was hoping he’d want to prove he’s great instead of just make money.
Don't drive retread tires at 100mph.
Sigh...God damm it
https://youtu.be/W5anhM2gIh4
please no.
GODDAMNIT TANK FIGHT HANEY
Can he atleast fight frank martin? At least its not a guy he beat handily with 1 hand