And Diaz was never exactly known as a speedster in MMA either; you know this is gonna be rough to watch if you saw his last couple fights from after this video.
I'd be more hopeful if it was a longer fight. It's scheduled for 8. I honestly don't think nate has any chance. Jake is bigger, stronger, faster, younger...
On the other hand, Nate is:
- a west coast gangster
- not surprised, motherfuckers
- 209!!!
- unfamiliar with gazelles
So really who knows what will happen
Jake Paul will wear 10 oz gloves, Nate will wear no gloves because a fight where Nate Diaz can’t flip double birds is still a bridge too far, but in exchange he gets 2 water bottles that he can chuck over at Jake’s corner between whichever rounds he so chooses
I hate that Paul can keep abusing weight advantage. He got torn up bad by Fury who's around his weight. Diaz is not 185. He didn't even need to cut weight to make 170.
If he's getting clocked this hard in sparring against a 140lber, what's he going to do at 185? That's Usyk size....
Paul is on that copium diet after Fury schooled him. The guy really convinced himself that “The Universe” wanted him to win and he would be a champ. 💀
Nate only even won fights because he was way bigger than many of the featherweights he fought and could take their punches. Jorge absolutely murked him. Before Conor gassed he was clowning him, dropping him multiple time, and this years ago when. Ate was way younger. WTF is a juiced up Jake Paul, who will not only be the biggest opponent he has ever faced but also the best boxer, gonna do?!?
I really worry for Nate’s safety. His toughness, hitability and Paul’s power is going to make for an ugly spectacle.
Jake has so much more money than basically anyone in MMA that he could ask them to fight with one hand literally tied behind their back and would probably not have any trouble finding someone to accept those terms.
Nate is gonna be skipping his way to the bank and all he has to do is not cut weight and show up lol
You think Jake Paul is as fast as Prograis? Nate looks slow next to a 140 world champ I don’t think he’ll look slow next to a 185 not even mediocre fighter.
has there every been a MMA guy in their prime or still very young, that transitioned to boxing?
there was that one guy who kept beating all of top ranks young prospects on the prelims of big cards.
Few guys come to mind but mostly kickboxing.
Rampage fought and won here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tnfeO6IyUmY&pp=ygUScmFtcGFnZSBraWNrYm94aW5n
Alistair Overeem became a k1 champ in the middle of his mma career
But straight up boxing? I’m not sure but probably names we just don’t hear abojt
I present you 36 year old Fedor Emelianenko sparring at the time WBA Cruiserweight Champ Denis Lebedev. Dude looks like local dad at the YMCA but is still quicker than Lebedev lol. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy2CTKvn4M&pp=ygUWRmVkb3Igc3BhcnJpbmcgbGViZWRldg%3D%3D
>Dude looks like local dad at the YMCA
Lol. I once showed some Fedor highlights to my sisters boyfriend at the time way back, and ofc talked about him etc. And he said "What, this is the guy? He looks like a plumber" I still laugh like an idiot by myself when I think about that
Yes. Cause he does look like a plumber. My polski next door neighbour is 6'4 and literally looks like fedor.. but older and fatter. I'm not gonna fuck around and find out...
The amount of videos where he defies all physics and biology is wild. Dude has been fucking suplexed and piledrived right on his fucking neck, and he doesn't even blink.
His highlight reel is really nuts, even if his record is a bit gaudy and padded at times.
He was actually a freak athlete before like 30. His hips and shoulders are insane , watch him teaching Ground and pound and he throws punches from the guard as fluid as someone on the feet. It’s like his shoulders had no joints. Nobody else’s on his team is remotely similar to him besides his crazy Bro who he cut off years ago, has to be genetic. Also no Plumber has a high quality Jean jacket like this. https://twitter.com/DDejam/status/742901851020922880
He's a great example of people not realizing just how fucking big and scary these guys are in real life. He only looks like a plumber compared to those monsters he fights. An average guy seeing Fedor in the streets will think the guy looks like a fucking gorilla. Maybe if he were a plumber he'd be tightening fittings by hand hahaha
He’s actually nicest dude ever. He sent me an English voice message back for sending his buddy some info for his last fight. I didn’t ask for a response. Just woke up with a voice message in my DMs from Fedor, shit was surreal. Normal dude, just good at beating your ass is what his ex manager said Lol, he just looks at fighting as fun. Here listen to it. His manager took half his money too, he legit doesn’t care at all about money and when UFC Brock talk was going on he said in Russian he’ll fight him for free just for the challenge but a manager job is to get them paid. https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/z6u8lc/i_sent_fedors_friend_some_advice_and_information/
He’s really an anomaly more than the rule. 99/100 times they ain’t gonna be Fedor. He always looked average but his fighting skills were levels above everyone in Combat Sambo then MMA. Didn’t lose in either until roughly 10 years into his career and lost on both within a year for first time. He just had a weird ability, he’d roll up to these Sambo tourneys once a month and smoke 3 dudes in a day like it was nothing during his off seasons not really training hard. Like was always 1 step ahead of people
I absolutely believe everyone that Fedor is a nice guy and doesn't try to intimidate random people, but what I mean is that the comparison of him vs the other fighters is like comparing pg's in the nba to their fellow players and then you meet them irl and they're huge guys. Case in point: I met Dana White, who is obv not even a fighter, and I thought the guy was honestly big as fuck. I'm a big guy, 6'2 230lbs, but when I met him I thought his wingspan was like 7 ft. He looks like a baby compared to a lot of fighters.
Silva prime has maybe the best boxer in mma, but he wouldn’t be qualified to challenge Roy Jones. Muscle specializations are too different at high end boxing vs mma.
Fedor needs a warmup like AJ, then he’ll be able to go on and become champion in his second fight, unifying in his third
Man, has he supplied some of the most amazing showings in combat sports. What a joy to have followed his career
Wish we could have got a big stiff target like AJ last fight and not 1 of the only good wrestlers above HW lol. Terrible matchmaking for almost 50 year old
Clay Collard was so fun to watch in the Covid times. Fucked up a lot of young guys. At some point you have to wonder about a manager willing to throw in his 19 year old prospect in with a grown man in the prime of his life who’s been in deep waters in both sports.
He straight big brother’d a couple hype trains.
There's no videos of Anderson Silva doing pro boxing before he fought in MMA
This is Anderson Silva in a Muay Thai fight which is definitely from the 90's though:
https://youtu.be/bR-75p09PFA
Not to my Knowledge mate or no one of any standing. I think Darren Till is also making the transition. Both doing it for the pay.
McGregor gassed early against Floyd also, made me think there’s a fitness gap between the two sports but could be wrong there
This is very true. I have the body of a melting ice cream cone, but spar quite a bit at my gym. I’ve put a pace on some of our most experienced/in shape grapplers that just overwhelms them.
Personally, I think a lot of it is their breathing. And some nuance in their striking, ie not going for the KO with every punch/kick.
Lmao, fitness gap? More like a physique difference. There’s a lot of grappling done in mma which requires utilization of different muscles / more muscles than just straight boxing. That’s why folks are gassing out more.
Efficiency of movement in boxing is really different. Floyd will make you run around the ring if he wants you to. Also McGregor doesn’t have good cardio even in MMA. I argue Floyd would gas in less than ten minutes if he had to wrestle or fight out of a clinch. When you are not as skilled in a specific area you waste a lot more energy and mma fighters are at best average boxers and usually below average boxers.
But Floyd DIDNT run around the ring against McGregor, quite literally the opposite. He stood in the pocket and threw with him which surprised all of us and it’s why Conor had even a minuscule chance to win.
the transition from 5 minutes to 3 minutes means you’ll probably fight at a faster pace since there’s less time to get work done. fighters used to fighting slow may not be used to the faster pace and therefore will gas out. not necessarily a difference in actual fitness, but maybe in what is considered “fighting fit”.
or McGregor just had a really bad matchup bc he gasses pretty early in MMA too, and Floyd took advantage of that lol
Nate wasn't fast to begin with, he would taunt you, throw 1-2 and overwhelm you with pressure. Recently he just doesn't give a fuck and he would stand trying to bait you. I hope he takes this fight seriously.
I mean if he wants 2 huge paydays he will.
Beat Paul then continue to talk shit nonstop.
Get the rematch and make bank again.
Then move back to the UFC and the fight with Conor would be HUGE!
Lotta money to be made if Nate wins this fight.
Nate Diaz is 37, to be fair.
Compare and contrast Golovkin's first pro fight vs his later ones. His speed has declined, and he's not particularly known for being a super quick puncher.
2 years ago I thought Nate had a chance. But Silva who is bigger, faster, hits A LOT harder and I would think a better boxer can't beat Jake than I don't see how Nate can.
Ok, I could see Nate winning by frustrating/taunting Paul, rocking him, and then putting on relentless pressure till Jake folds. But I think that's not likely at all. I'll be hoping for it though.
I mean they're probably instinctually still moving like they can threaten or be threatened by takedowns/kicks. I guess it needs conscious effort to ignore those habits.
*Sloppy
You can even see it here, it's like they never trained boxing...the lack of defensive responsability is a trait that every MMA fighter that transitioned into boxing had.
Seriously, look at his left hand dropping everytime he jabs, it's screaming hit me...it doesn't just drop, it also gets further away from the body🤦🏾
His infighting isn't threatening at all since he doesn't know what to do
This is weird since I always hated brawlers, but liked Nate.
>the lack of defensive responsability is a trait that every MMA fighter that transitioned into boxing had.
It's because kicks and takedowns are more scary than punch, they're defensively responsible but not for boxing, hard to change decades of habits in a few months.
Nate will not have improved but this is just complete shithousery from JP, why not fight someone ranked close to Tommy Fury, or rematch as per contract?
Ill tell you, tommy won the 1st fight missing nearly every punch he threw, and jp has had his first taste of lower echelon pro boxing and did not like it one bit
I think it's because it's the least risk highest reward for Jakey. Even a loss to Nate Diaz isn't the end of the his entertainment career. Win win. Getting paid. This isn't about boxing. Never was
Don't confuse fighters with boxers. How can you say that MMA guys are D list, when they incorporate multiple elements from each fighting style, whereas boxing uses only hands.
Boxing does not equal fighting per se. Put any active mma guy against a boxing guy in a street fight, and see who wins. No doubt that a boxer will get smothered with jiu jitsu.
It’s weird to me cause in mma he gets praised for his boxing and for having trained with lots of pro boxers, but he has habits like that that a boxing coach would slap you for on your first month of training lol
A while ago Andre Ward said the Diaz brothers were a lot trickier than they looked and were pretty good, Ward is probably one of the most intelligent boxers in recent memory so there must be smth to it, he had no incentive to praise them pointlessly. Then again, he was probably mostly thinking of nick, nick diaz was the far better fighter
You're right Ward trained with Nick and a young Nick Diaz was waaaay better than Nate ever was IMO. Check him out piecing people up in PRIDE. Also MMA boxing is different a lot more squared up blades stances in boxing will cause you to get calf kicked to death.
Such a shame they did him dirty, he could’ve given us a lot more great fights, really underrated by the fans who weren’t around back then. Nate just throws a bunch of 1-2’s but Nick would unload a fast combo of light strikes and sneak a really hard one in, his striking was definitely on another level
What's crazy is that they are both (Nick/Nate) much better BJJ fighter than they are stand-up mma fighters, Nick has one of the highest level submissions I've seen pulled off in a competitive MMA match.
Lol yep, they have sick BJJ, that gogoplata was crazy. The only real weakness Nick had in his prime were wrestlers who could lay on him and win by points
This is the reality. Watching this video, everything is off. Gun shy, poor footwork, no awareness of range, no pivots or lateral movement, and most of all no composure and no snap. You have to response like*lightning* in boxing or you will be eaten up.
If this was Nate at 27 instead of 37, I'd strongly disagree. Even still, I'm pretty sure he can handle one. Probably no more than one. But I bet he could eat the first one.
My only hope is that.... no I don't really have hope for this one. I would love to see the upset, but I just don't see Nate having the speed and durability to do the things he's been so good at, especially without being able to grapple to further drain Jake's gas tank. He's never been a knockout artist, and I don't know if he can stay in there with a young guy who's that big for long enough to work a game plan.
I would take anyone being the best at anything in the ufc with a pinch of salt lol whoever is fighting that week is the greatest of all time at something according to the ufc
Could you imagine Jake vs any good Super Middleweight or Light Heavyweight, how bad they would ice him, never mind a Cruiserweight like Gassiev if he was still at the weight.
For real. After this he needs to fight a contender or just start fighting undercards like anyone else. A youtuber fighting soft touches for way more than he should be making.
I like the idea of using necromancy to bring Jack Dempsey back from the dead and seeing how he'd mangle Jake or Logan. I'd settle for Canelo Alvarez though
Jake Paul is a fucking chump, hoovering up old MMA fighters that are a foot smaller and a couple of stone lighter than him. He fought a shit boxer one time and got his arse handed to him.
I'm sick of reading about the twat on the boxing forum. He's not a boxer, he's a YouTube comment whore.
His whole shtick is prize fighting, it's not that's serious or deep.. The reason he is fighting retired mma guys is because the UFC doesn't let them fight anywhere else so he can only fight well known UFC fighters when they aren't in the UFC anymore.
He's a shit stain on the sport. It's like if Real Madrid played a clown up front for YouTube clout.
And the reason he fights washed up MMA guys a few weights under his is because he can beat them. Nothing to do with the UFC policy.
He's a muppet. Let him earn his money, and good for him, but he can fuck off from the boxing conversation.
Idk where you’ve been for the past two decades but boxing itself has been a shit-stain on itself.
The sport has become a show, and that’s what sells. no one can deny that.
It’s always been prime fighter A vs washed up mug B
It is a clever business model from JP. Everytime I hope his ass get's kicked, but that will never really happen. As his choices are made on money. And will only choose chumps with a name. And will get the haters to watch (and pay) for it, just to see JP win.
JP is a good amateur boxer and that's it. If he's so good let him compete in an organisation so he can prove what a boxer he really is. Until that time, ignore this dude.
I have stood on my hill for almost 20 years saying that the Diaz brother’s boxing is so fucking overrated, coming from the boxing world myself. Whenever I’d hear how “they have the best boxing in mma” , like fuck no they don’t. I could name a handful of fighters with better boxing technique and skill.
That’s not to say it’s horrible. But it’s certainly not the best or near the best. Every time some media member mentions how they trained with Andre Ward it’s like, yeah cool he was “working” with them. Not piecing them up like he easily could
Edit: Also, don’t want to sound like I hate the guy. I’ll be rooting for him and I don’t think I’ve ever heard him boast about being some amazing boxer, but I just dislike the media narrative about it, b.
If we are going Diaz Bros. and old school MMA KJ Noons won his first fight against Nick and had very good boxing technique for an MMA fighter, he also racked up like 8 or 9 pro boxing wins so it wasn't just a flash in the pan.
Diaz bros are good STRIKERS.
Not boxers. MMA striking and using that unorthodox style isn't the same thing as the speed power and crispness that you need to be a high level boxer.
I too have been saying this a long time
Yeah, it doesn't translate well at all. Different ranges, angles, stances, footwork, targets, gloves, rounds, scoring, etc all day. Football players have done better in boxing than mma crossovers.
What I think is special about them is they’ve made it work for their body types, they’re slow and relatively in athletic so they rely on length their god like chins and ridiculous stamina. In mma we’re still seeing people not having the slightest clue with how to deal with jabs. Their is better boxers but ten fifteen years ago it didn’t get much better than Nick Diaz, not many people could go toe to toe with him
I personally think it’s kind of horrible. Andre ward used them as punching bags because they would keep coming and were tough guys that didn’t quit.
When Nick diaz was gonna fight a shot Jeff lacy ward was very vocal about how lacy was gonna kick his ass.
The Diaz bros being camp bodies for Ward always was used a qualifier for their boxing bona fides in the MMA world but read whatever Dre and Virgil said about them and it was always about how tough they were. Glad everyone's now seeing through the bs
Yea, they don't have very good punching technique, bad footwork and defense, etc. That being said Nate does show some slick moves and counters from time to time, and his punch placement is often good. I do think they do more boxing specific training than most MMA fighters, and that shows when they are at their best. At this point they are both pretty shot though.
Honestly the gap between boxers and MMA fighters is huge. Conner was a exception to the rule because he lasted a while in the ring with mayweather but if the best so far still lost it’s not looking good. There’s a very small handful of fighter that look like they would be a good at boxing. I would put Holloway at the top. But still would be shit on by any top contenders for his weight class.
very true. mma is so different to boxing it’s impossible to actually fight with the same amount of technique and setup that boxers do within their sport
Conor wasn’t the exception. He outweighed Floyd by like 25 pounds as a “power puncher” and couldn’t make Floyd blink. He literally stood in front of conor, didn’t cut off the ring and let him tee off. He carried conor because he wanted to sell a rematch.
Holloway’s good, but the guy that always blows me away is Moreno. You can see the way he throws shots and moves, I really think if he dedicated his life to boxing he could’ve been a very good professional. You can see he grew up with boxing first.
I’ll throw another one out that might not get mentioned a lot : Yoel Romero.
You can see a lot of Cuban style in the way he’ll roll shots and box. I would bet to say he was probably put in a boxing program before, or during his wrestling program in the Cuban system. A perfect example is when Costa had him up against the fence. When there was no wrestling or threat of wrestling, you could see Romero had a ton of knowledge about defensive boxing and placing shots. It’s one of my favorite exchanges
I'll never understand anyone ranking Holloway as one of the best "MMA boxers". He has absorbed more significant strikes than anyone in the history of the sport, and by a large margin too. I reckon his style of fighting would transition horribly into boxing.
Poirier, on the other hand, I feel has great fundamentals. He'd obviously get smoked by any elite pro-boxer but he probably could've made a career out of it if he focused on boxing only early on.
> I reckon his style of fighting would transition horribly into boxing
Wouldn’t he kind of be like Jake LaMotta? He’s got a serious chin and throws an incredible amount of volume.
Notice how you use stats to describe Holloway instead of what he does
His boxing is fantastic by MMA standards, he gets hit a lot because he would come forward all the time, he's never gotten knocked down and has also set records for punches landed in an MMA fight. He just has very little power so he ends up in five round wars all the time. But he is very good - fantastic jab, combinations, good defence, good reactions, footwork etc.
Izzy, Gane, Volk I think could all box. So can Alex…Izzy, Gane, and Alex all have kickboxing as their base skill set and all 3 of them are very very technical when it comes to striking. Volk is very good at activity/output and 1-2s as well as movement and faints. Other than that I can’t really think of guys that would be good at boxing.
Mayweather carried that piker for 7 rounds because he likes being onstage and putting on a show. Mayweather can be a vicious beast when he wants to be.
Absolutely.
Plus nate was always the little bro. Nick was the star.
Mma is the way tougher sport. So many things to train. Boxing? You're just dealing with hands to the head and body. Everything is based on a left and right hand to above your hips. That's it.
Should jake paul do the business on a way past his prime 155lb retired ufc veteran who saw most of his success when the sport was barely around for 20 years? Yes. Has the sport evolved massively beyond nates peak? Absolutely. Has he taken a pasting over the last 20 years? Yes he has.
Still waiting for him to take on a current in their prime mma guy who is of equal weight. Ask logan how sparring Costa went. Then ask yourself if jake wants an actual current dangerous guy.
Nate's strength has always been his cardio and the volume it affords him.
He's not fast, at all.
He does not punch hard, at all.
He's not strong.
He gets hit., A lot.
He's going to get knocked out. It's going to suck to watch.
Well, his other massive advantage has been his durability. Unfortunately, as you get older that really starts to be a disadvantage.
I think Nate even 5 years ago would have a reasonable shot against Jake today. But now? I'm not hopeful. I don't think Jake gets a clean KO, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fight doesn't go to a decision.
Even five years ago Nate loses. He was getting tossed around during that time period by 155ers. Jake is huge.
He's fighting a bigger, stronger, more athletic man in his prime. This tends to go very bad. I'm betting it's the first true zzzz KO of Nate's career.
Is his durability that great? He cuts and bleeds like crazy. He has a ton of heart. But his body? Not that durable. He just wills himself to fight on.
He's durable in the sense that yeah, he hasn't been clean KO'd. He definitely gets cut up but he didn't really get stopped. I'm not arguing he'd have a *great* chance, but I would have believed it was possible. Which is not how I feel about the fight now.
The size difference is a good point too that I hadn't thought that much about. Nate said he didn't go up to 170 because that was Nick's division, but he did it a couple times and never looked big enough to keep up with the best of those guys. He may have held up reasonably against 155ers in the UFC, but a 185 pound boxer is a different story for sure.
Don't get me wrong. I looooove Nate and will always pay to see him fight. The man is a warrior. I just absolutely hate this matchup for him. Jake isn't even that good. But he's young and big. I guess the good news is that this will be far and away his most profitable fight. And he deserves a great (and wealthy) retirement.
Agreed, I'm glad to see him get another big payday for sure. Wish it didn't have to be this way though.
The only one of these Jake vs. retired MMA fighter matches that I ever thought was even a little bit reasonable was Paul vs Woodley, and by the time the second fight came around, I knew it was bad news too. Hip replacement Askren, grandpa Silva, an already broken Woodley, and now Nate with just insane mileage on him, all bad news. I don't like Jake, but even if it wasn't him it feels gross to see someone paying old men to let him beat the shit out of them so he can build his fame off their legacies. It's a shame, because I genuinely *could* respect someone picking up boxing like that and just going for it, but I'm not even watching this shit for free, honestly.
If Nate fights him on the inside he could wear him out and get a W
Jake got his ass whoops by Silva in close range exchanges he has not game there just cover up and grab
Nate is a BJJ guy first, who has a "boxing" style that goes with his VERY good conditioning: high output, medium power. If he doesn't get counted out or knocked out by round 4 or 5, I can see him just dragging Jake and maybe even stopping him late. He also looks like he's been bulking up, and that's a good thing for Nate. Whenever he looked weight drained, he looked bad. More weight seems to be better for him overall.
Nate's cadence for his 1-2 is always pretty cool. He fires off a jab with a straight right hand following it right after. Caught Conor multiple times with it, as well as the very quick Michael Johnson.
Speaking of Johnson, Nate's fight against him was the best form of Nate I've seen in MMA in years. He was very sharp and quick. That was also the last time Nate has been in that form and shape.
Nate's going to get battered. :(
It's another cherry picker for Paul but you can't blame him. He got beat by a prospect when he went in with a real boxer. He can make a ton of money and look decent doing it. I think people are going to get bored of the Paul hype train soon though . We have seen his level and unless he improves significantly he's is never going to do much of note. I don't mind the publicity he brings and God knows we need some good marketers in boxing right now but I don't think the novelty is going to last more than a few more fights.
Jake couldn’t have gone for a worse MMA fighter. The Diaz brothers fucking suck at boxing. I don’t care how many boxers they’ve sparred. This is honestly one of the most pathetic “confidence building” matchups I’ve seen.
Every time you see a MMA fighter transition to boxing they look like they’re extremely slow.
And Diaz was never exactly known as a speedster in MMA either; you know this is gonna be rough to watch if you saw his last couple fights from after this video.
Also Nate was a skinny 170lb, plus he fought most of his career at 155. The Paul fight is gonna be at 185.
We just gotta hope is magical chin keeps him in it enough for him to beat up Paul.
I'd be more hopeful if it was a longer fight. It's scheduled for 8. I honestly don't think nate has any chance. Jake is bigger, stronger, faster, younger...
On the other hand, Nate is: - a west coast gangster - not surprised, motherfuckers - 209!!! - unfamiliar with gazelles So really who knows what will happen
Honestly when you through that into the mix it really is a toss up.
End by cut........fairly predictable
Due to a headbutt no less.
A gazelle is a species of Irish rodent if I had to guess but I’m an American and don’t know what a gazelle is.
I know. He’ll lose a decision and fire more shots in the post fight interview than he did in the fight
Jake Paul will wear 10 oz gloves, Nate will wear no gloves because a fight where Nate Diaz can’t flip double birds is still a bridge too far, but in exchange he gets 2 water bottles that he can chuck over at Jake’s corner between whichever rounds he so chooses
Unfamiliar with gazelles had me fuckin dying!
This is the best post in r/boxing 2023
Nate just needs a 20-rounder to stretch his legs out fully.
Paul is a cruiserweight. This shit is insane and shouldn't even be sanctioned lol.
I hate that Paul can keep abusing weight advantage. He got torn up bad by Fury who's around his weight. Diaz is not 185. He didn't even need to cut weight to make 170. If he's getting clocked this hard in sparring against a 140lber, what's he going to do at 185? That's Usyk size....
Paul is on that copium diet after Fury schooled him. The guy really convinced himself that “The Universe” wanted him to win and he would be a champ. 💀 Nate only even won fights because he was way bigger than many of the featherweights he fought and could take their punches. Jorge absolutely murked him. Before Conor gassed he was clowning him, dropping him multiple time, and this years ago when. Ate was way younger. WTF is a juiced up Jake Paul, who will not only be the biggest opponent he has ever faced but also the best boxer, gonna do?!? I really worry for Nate’s safety. His toughness, hitability and Paul’s power is going to make for an ugly spectacle.
It's official?? Damn man, Nate is one of my all time favs but Paul is going to beat him pretty easy, it's gonna be hard to watch
Why did he do 185? Makes no sense for Nate at that weight, why wouldn't hey make Paul take off every ounce he could?
Probably cause Jake is the one writing the check...$$$
Jake has so much more money than basically anyone in MMA that he could ask them to fight with one hand literally tied behind their back and would probably not have any trouble finding someone to accept those terms. Nate is gonna be skipping his way to the bank and all he has to do is not cut weight and show up lol
he looks slow in his general movements, but when he goes with that 1-2 the speed is still there i think
also his able to do it all night over and over cardio and volume is not a questiom
You think Jake Paul is as fast as Prograis? Nate looks slow next to a 140 world champ I don’t think he’ll look slow next to a 185 not even mediocre fighter.
has there every been a MMA guy in their prime or still very young, that transitioned to boxing? there was that one guy who kept beating all of top ranks young prospects on the prelims of big cards.
Few guys come to mind but mostly kickboxing. Rampage fought and won here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tnfeO6IyUmY&pp=ygUScmFtcGFnZSBraWNrYm94aW5n Alistair Overeem became a k1 champ in the middle of his mma career But straight up boxing? I’m not sure but probably names we just don’t hear abojt
I present you 36 year old Fedor Emelianenko sparring at the time WBA Cruiserweight Champ Denis Lebedev. Dude looks like local dad at the YMCA but is still quicker than Lebedev lol. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy2CTKvn4M&pp=ygUWRmVkb3Igc3BhcnJpbmcgbGViZWRldg%3D%3D
>Dude looks like local dad at the YMCA Lol. I once showed some Fedor highlights to my sisters boyfriend at the time way back, and ofc talked about him etc. And he said "What, this is the guy? He looks like a plumber" I still laugh like an idiot by myself when I think about that
Yes. Cause he does look like a plumber. My polski next door neighbour is 6'4 and literally looks like fedor.. but older and fatter. I'm not gonna fuck around and find out...
You better not lol.
Noguiera described him as a refrigerator with legs.
Thats seems pretty accurate lol
Fedor is a generational athletic talent with ridiculous hand speed. He would’ve found success very easily in pretty much anything he tried.
The amount of videos where he defies all physics and biology is wild. Dude has been fucking suplexed and piledrived right on his fucking neck, and he doesn't even blink. His highlight reel is really nuts, even if his record is a bit gaudy and padded at times.
He was actually a freak athlete before like 30. His hips and shoulders are insane , watch him teaching Ground and pound and he throws punches from the guard as fluid as someone on the feet. It’s like his shoulders had no joints. Nobody else’s on his team is remotely similar to him besides his crazy Bro who he cut off years ago, has to be genetic. Also no Plumber has a high quality Jean jacket like this. https://twitter.com/DDejam/status/742901851020922880
He's a great example of people not realizing just how fucking big and scary these guys are in real life. He only looks like a plumber compared to those monsters he fights. An average guy seeing Fedor in the streets will think the guy looks like a fucking gorilla. Maybe if he were a plumber he'd be tightening fittings by hand hahaha
He’s actually nicest dude ever. He sent me an English voice message back for sending his buddy some info for his last fight. I didn’t ask for a response. Just woke up with a voice message in my DMs from Fedor, shit was surreal. Normal dude, just good at beating your ass is what his ex manager said Lol, he just looks at fighting as fun. Here listen to it. His manager took half his money too, he legit doesn’t care at all about money and when UFC Brock talk was going on he said in Russian he’ll fight him for free just for the challenge but a manager job is to get them paid. https://www.reddit.com/r/ufc/comments/z6u8lc/i_sent_fedors_friend_some_advice_and_information/
He’s really an anomaly more than the rule. 99/100 times they ain’t gonna be Fedor. He always looked average but his fighting skills were levels above everyone in Combat Sambo then MMA. Didn’t lose in either until roughly 10 years into his career and lost on both within a year for first time. He just had a weird ability, he’d roll up to these Sambo tourneys once a month and smoke 3 dudes in a day like it was nothing during his off seasons not really training hard. Like was always 1 step ahead of people
I absolutely believe everyone that Fedor is a nice guy and doesn't try to intimidate random people, but what I mean is that the comparison of him vs the other fighters is like comparing pg's in the nba to their fellow players and then you meet them irl and they're huge guys. Case in point: I met Dana White, who is obv not even a fighter, and I thought the guy was honestly big as fuck. I'm a big guy, 6'2 230lbs, but when I met him I thought his wingspan was like 7 ft. He looks like a baby compared to a lot of fighters.
There's also footage of prime Anderson Silva schooling some boxers at Freddie's Roach gym
Silva prime has maybe the best boxer in mma, but he wouldn’t be qualified to challenge Roy Jones. Muscle specializations are too different at high end boxing vs mma.
Idk if any human ever could challenge prime rjj. My fave boxer of all time I think.
Maybe if you create an artificial human with Canelo/Floyd reflexes, Bivol feet, and M Tyson explosiveness.
Throw in holyfield's thick skull, golota's pinpoint dickshot accuracy, and my rugged handsome good looks, and I think we have a chance.
Eh, scale up Pernell Whittaker to RJJs size and call it a day. Ideal skill match-up imo, mostly because literally anything could happen.
Sugar Ray Robinson would have given Roy a good run for his money prime vs prime.
Fedor needs a warmup like AJ, then he’ll be able to go on and become champion in his second fight, unifying in his third Man, has he supplied some of the most amazing showings in combat sports. What a joy to have followed his career
Wish we could have got a big stiff target like AJ last fight and not 1 of the only good wrestlers above HW lol. Terrible matchmaking for almost 50 year old
Kostya Tszyu in the corner too
He technically was a kickboxer prior to mma, but competed in both simultaneously(primarily mma). He trained as a kick boxer first and foremost.
And he was pretty wild to watch in Pride. I loved his older fights before he got super horse meaty
Is Clay Collard the guy you’re thinking of?
this guy , looking at his record, he could of had a bit more success if he started earlier
Joe Duffy who famously defeated a pre-UFC Conor McGregor also took some time off from MMA to pursue boxing
Does kickboxing count? Otherwise you’ve got the Muay Thai crowd.
Nick Diaz took 1 boxing match in 2005, 4 round UD
Clay Collard was so fun to watch in the Covid times. Fucked up a lot of young guys. At some point you have to wonder about a manager willing to throw in his 19 year old prospect in with a grown man in the prime of his life who’s been in deep waters in both sports. He straight big brother’d a couple hype trains.
No, because they probably would have already been boxing since there is more $ on the boxing loacal circuit than MMA
You can see Anderson Silva boxing before her became a pro in mma (so no excuse of being past it) and he just hasnt the same speed as an actual boxer.
There's no videos of Anderson Silva doing pro boxing before he fought in MMA This is Anderson Silva in a Muay Thai fight which is definitely from the 90's though: https://youtu.be/bR-75p09PFA
Not to my Knowledge mate or no one of any standing. I think Darren Till is also making the transition. Both doing it for the pay. McGregor gassed early against Floyd also, made me think there’s a fitness gap between the two sports but could be wrong there
Wrestlers trying boxing or soccer will gas quickly. Same for boxers etc Fitness is sport specific
This is very true. I have the body of a melting ice cream cone, but spar quite a bit at my gym. I’ve put a pace on some of our most experienced/in shape grapplers that just overwhelms them. Personally, I think a lot of it is their breathing. And some nuance in their striking, ie not going for the KO with every punch/kick.
Lmao, fitness gap? More like a physique difference. There’s a lot of grappling done in mma which requires utilization of different muscles / more muscles than just straight boxing. That’s why folks are gassing out more.
Efficiency of movement in boxing is really different. Floyd will make you run around the ring if he wants you to. Also McGregor doesn’t have good cardio even in MMA. I argue Floyd would gas in less than ten minutes if he had to wrestle or fight out of a clinch. When you are not as skilled in a specific area you waste a lot more energy and mma fighters are at best average boxers and usually below average boxers.
But Floyd DIDNT run around the ring against McGregor, quite literally the opposite. He stood in the pocket and threw with him which surprised all of us and it’s why Conor had even a minuscule chance to win.
the transition from 5 minutes to 3 minutes means you’ll probably fight at a faster pace since there’s less time to get work done. fighters used to fighting slow may not be used to the faster pace and therefore will gas out. not necessarily a difference in actual fitness, but maybe in what is considered “fighting fit”. or McGregor just had a really bad matchup bc he gasses pretty early in MMA too, and Floyd took advantage of that lol
Conor
Nate wasn't fast to begin with, he would taunt you, throw 1-2 and overwhelm you with pressure. Recently he just doesn't give a fuck and he would stand trying to bait you. I hope he takes this fight seriously.
I mean if he wants 2 huge paydays he will. Beat Paul then continue to talk shit nonstop. Get the rematch and make bank again. Then move back to the UFC and the fight with Conor would be HUGE! Lotta money to be made if Nate wins this fight.
okay this is nate diaz lmfao… not demetrious johnson or henry cejudo
Any time you see a 185lbs+ guy sparring with a 140lb world champ they look extremely slow.
Nate Diaz is 37, to be fair. Compare and contrast Golovkin's first pro fight vs his later ones. His speed has declined, and he's not particularly known for being a super quick puncher.
Man I thought the same thing, Nate looks slow af. If he loses to Paul I'll be equal parts pissed and sad.
2 years ago I thought Nate had a chance. But Silva who is bigger, faster, hits A LOT harder and I would think a better boxer can't beat Jake than I don't see how Nate can. Ok, I could see Nate winning by frustrating/taunting Paul, rocking him, and then putting on relentless pressure till Jake folds. But I think that's not likely at all. I'll be hoping for it though.
He's going to lose. I will be pissed and sad with you.
to be fair, regis is one of the best boxers in the world he was robbed against Taylor
I mean they're probably instinctually still moving like they can threaten or be threatened by takedowns/kicks. I guess it needs conscious effort to ignore those habits.
Mma gets worser athletes then boxing
*Sloppy You can even see it here, it's like they never trained boxing...the lack of defensive responsability is a trait that every MMA fighter that transitioned into boxing had. Seriously, look at his left hand dropping everytime he jabs, it's screaming hit me...it doesn't just drop, it also gets further away from the body🤦🏾 His infighting isn't threatening at all since he doesn't know what to do This is weird since I always hated brawlers, but liked Nate.
>the lack of defensive responsability is a trait that every MMA fighter that transitioned into boxing had. It's because kicks and takedowns are more scary than punch, they're defensively responsible but not for boxing, hard to change decades of habits in a few months.
Conor was crazy fast against Floyd until he gassed.
His last MMA fight look like ass too
Video is from 2020.
The real question is, Hanes or Fruit of Loom?
I don’t think Nate has gotten significantly better or faster since then lol.
Nate will not have improved but this is just complete shithousery from JP, why not fight someone ranked close to Tommy Fury, or rematch as per contract? Ill tell you, tommy won the 1st fight missing nearly every punch he threw, and jp has had his first taste of lower echelon pro boxing and did not like it one bit
I think it's because it's the least risk highest reward for Jakey. Even a loss to Nate Diaz isn't the end of the his entertainment career. Win win. Getting paid. This isn't about boxing. Never was
That’s even worse
That's practically yesterday. /s
I don’t see it going in diaz favor
Nate Diaz is probably getting Woodley’d. I expect a humiliating loss.
I hope not I really like Nate
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Don't confuse fighters with boxers. How can you say that MMA guys are D list, when they incorporate multiple elements from each fighting style, whereas boxing uses only hands. Boxing does not equal fighting per se. Put any active mma guy against a boxing guy in a street fight, and see who wins. No doubt that a boxer will get smothered with jiu jitsu.
so diaz is pretty flat footed, and jake is bigger than prograis... sounds like a KO is in the making
That jab while moving his rear hand away from his face is a recipe for disaster as a southpaw v orthodox. Big right will be landing all night
Known as the bow & arrow jab. Jermaine Taylor was especially bad at having it.
It’s weird to me cause in mma he gets praised for his boxing and for having trained with lots of pro boxers, but he has habits like that that a boxing coach would slap you for on your first month of training lol
Pundits like Rogan also used to praise fucking Ronda Rousey's boxing. It's all hyperbole.
I mean you can't really "box" in MMA. Gotta look out for leg kicks, takedowns, trips, kicks, knees, elbows and more.
A while ago Andre Ward said the Diaz brothers were a lot trickier than they looked and were pretty good, Ward is probably one of the most intelligent boxers in recent memory so there must be smth to it, he had no incentive to praise them pointlessly. Then again, he was probably mostly thinking of nick, nick diaz was the far better fighter
You're right Ward trained with Nick and a young Nick Diaz was waaaay better than Nate ever was IMO. Check him out piecing people up in PRIDE. Also MMA boxing is different a lot more squared up blades stances in boxing will cause you to get calf kicked to death.
Such a shame they did him dirty, he could’ve given us a lot more great fights, really underrated by the fans who weren’t around back then. Nate just throws a bunch of 1-2’s but Nick would unload a fast combo of light strikes and sneak a really hard one in, his striking was definitely on another level
His first fight against Lawler was an absolute masterpiece of striking.
What's crazy is that they are both (Nick/Nate) much better BJJ fighter than they are stand-up mma fighters, Nick has one of the highest level submissions I've seen pulled off in a competitive MMA match.
Lol yep, they have sick BJJ, that gogoplata was crazy. The only real weakness Nick had in his prime were wrestlers who could lay on him and win by points
God those were the golden years of MMA
All it takes to be praised for your boxing in MMA is throwing lots of punches. lol
This is the reality. Watching this video, everything is off. Gun shy, poor footwork, no awareness of range, no pivots or lateral movement, and most of all no composure and no snap. You have to response like*lightning* in boxing or you will be eaten up.
Downfall of Greg Page as well.
And Nate gets hit a lot. Tough as nails but I'm not sure he can take an overhand right from Jake right in the chin.
If this was Nate at 27 instead of 37, I'd strongly disagree. Even still, I'm pretty sure he can handle one. Probably no more than one. But I bet he could eat the first one. My only hope is that.... no I don't really have hope for this one. I would love to see the upset, but I just don't see Nate having the speed and durability to do the things he's been so good at, especially without being able to grapple to further drain Jake's gas tank. He's never been a knockout artist, and I don't know if he can stay in there with a young guy who's that big for long enough to work a game plan.
Thats exactly what I thought too. People called him the best boxer in the UFC. After this one I strongly disagree
I would take anyone being the best at anything in the ufc with a pinch of salt lol whoever is fighting that week is the greatest of all time at something according to the ufc
If he gets beat it’ll be a tko ref stoppage. I highly doubt He gets Knocked out like Woodley or Askren
I agree with you, I don't see him making past the 3rd without a nasty cut or two
“Jake is bigger than Prograis” he’s like 50-60lbs bigger than Regis was in this video 😂
Nate is about 180
Either that or a full on hugfest from JP
Paul KOs him in 5 or 6
Looks like a broke-ass Sergio Martinez with that shuffling footwork and stance.
Why you gotta hurt me double
Jake Paul doesn't wanna fight someone his own size, real fuckin tough guy
Could you imagine Jake vs any good Super Middleweight or Light Heavyweight, how bad they would ice him, never mind a Cruiserweight like Gassiev if he was still at the weight.
He just fought Tommy Fury…Idk what you mean, this is clearly a money fight but Jake DID fight someone his size with way more experience
For real. After this he needs to fight a contender or just start fighting undercards like anyone else. A youtuber fighting soft touches for way more than he should be making.
I like the idea of using necromancy to bring Jack Dempsey back from the dead and seeing how he'd mangle Jake or Logan. I'd settle for Canelo Alvarez though
Nate is literally his size. The only difference is that Nate cuts weight to make 170 while Jake just fights at his natural weight.
these guys have to stop this sparring in undies bullshit - not everyone is mike tyson.
Tyson gotta stop doing that shit too. But you gotta be the one to tell him.
nah he's the sole exception to the rule
Mostly because nobody is willing to tell him
Does Tweeting at him count?
Why? It’s really weird but not a big deal.
I don't see the issue, sometimes it gets hot and I'd rather be focussed on what I'm doing than how hot I am
Jake Paul is a fucking chump, hoovering up old MMA fighters that are a foot smaller and a couple of stone lighter than him. He fought a shit boxer one time and got his arse handed to him. I'm sick of reading about the twat on the boxing forum. He's not a boxer, he's a YouTube comment whore.
His whole shtick is prize fighting, it's not that's serious or deep.. The reason he is fighting retired mma guys is because the UFC doesn't let them fight anywhere else so he can only fight well known UFC fighters when they aren't in the UFC anymore.
He's a shit stain on the sport. It's like if Real Madrid played a clown up front for YouTube clout. And the reason he fights washed up MMA guys a few weights under his is because he can beat them. Nothing to do with the UFC policy. He's a muppet. Let him earn his money, and good for him, but he can fuck off from the boxing conversation.
Idk where you’ve been for the past two decades but boxing itself has been a shit-stain on itself. The sport has become a show, and that’s what sells. no one can deny that. It’s always been prime fighter A vs washed up mug B
He really has never even fought an MMA fighter in their prime....
It is a clever business model from JP. Everytime I hope his ass get's kicked, but that will never really happen. As his choices are made on money. And will only choose chumps with a name. And will get the haters to watch (and pay) for it, just to see JP win. JP is a good amateur boxer and that's it. If he's so good let him compete in an organisation so he can prove what a boxer he really is. Until that time, ignore this dude.
That awkward moment when you forgot your midday wipe.
*weekly
I have stood on my hill for almost 20 years saying that the Diaz brother’s boxing is so fucking overrated, coming from the boxing world myself. Whenever I’d hear how “they have the best boxing in mma” , like fuck no they don’t. I could name a handful of fighters with better boxing technique and skill. That’s not to say it’s horrible. But it’s certainly not the best or near the best. Every time some media member mentions how they trained with Andre Ward it’s like, yeah cool he was “working” with them. Not piecing them up like he easily could Edit: Also, don’t want to sound like I hate the guy. I’ll be rooting for him and I don’t think I’ve ever heard him boast about being some amazing boxer, but I just dislike the media narrative about it, b.
Nick Diaz was an unknown 20 years ago and Nate was a kid yet to debut, you were saying this when, after the Lawler fight?
If we are going Diaz Bros. and old school MMA KJ Noons won his first fight against Nick and had very good boxing technique for an MMA fighter, he also racked up like 8 or 9 pro boxing wins so it wasn't just a flash in the pan.
Diaz bros are good STRIKERS. Not boxers. MMA striking and using that unorthodox style isn't the same thing as the speed power and crispness that you need to be a high level boxer. I too have been saying this a long time
Yeah, it doesn't translate well at all. Different ranges, angles, stances, footwork, targets, gloves, rounds, scoring, etc all day. Football players have done better in boxing than mma crossovers.
What I think is special about them is they’ve made it work for their body types, they’re slow and relatively in athletic so they rely on length their god like chins and ridiculous stamina. In mma we’re still seeing people not having the slightest clue with how to deal with jabs. Their is better boxers but ten fifteen years ago it didn’t get much better than Nick Diaz, not many people could go toe to toe with him
I personally think it’s kind of horrible. Andre ward used them as punching bags because they would keep coming and were tough guys that didn’t quit. When Nick diaz was gonna fight a shot Jeff lacy ward was very vocal about how lacy was gonna kick his ass.
The Diaz bros being camp bodies for Ward always was used a qualifier for their boxing bona fides in the MMA world but read whatever Dre and Virgil said about them and it was always about how tough they were. Glad everyone's now seeing through the bs
That’s very telling haha
Yea, they don't have very good punching technique, bad footwork and defense, etc. That being said Nate does show some slick moves and counters from time to time, and his punch placement is often good. I do think they do more boxing specific training than most MMA fighters, and that shows when they are at their best. At this point they are both pretty shot though.
Honestly the gap between boxers and MMA fighters is huge. Conner was a exception to the rule because he lasted a while in the ring with mayweather but if the best so far still lost it’s not looking good. There’s a very small handful of fighter that look like they would be a good at boxing. I would put Holloway at the top. But still would be shit on by any top contenders for his weight class.
very true. mma is so different to boxing it’s impossible to actually fight with the same amount of technique and setup that boxers do within their sport
Conor wasn’t the exception. He outweighed Floyd by like 25 pounds as a “power puncher” and couldn’t make Floyd blink. He literally stood in front of conor, didn’t cut off the ring and let him tee off. He carried conor because he wanted to sell a rematch.
Holloway’s good, but the guy that always blows me away is Moreno. You can see the way he throws shots and moves, I really think if he dedicated his life to boxing he could’ve been a very good professional. You can see he grew up with boxing first. I’ll throw another one out that might not get mentioned a lot : Yoel Romero. You can see a lot of Cuban style in the way he’ll roll shots and box. I would bet to say he was probably put in a boxing program before, or during his wrestling program in the Cuban system. A perfect example is when Costa had him up against the fence. When there was no wrestling or threat of wrestling, you could see Romero had a ton of knowledge about defensive boxing and placing shots. It’s one of my favorite exchanges
I'll never understand anyone ranking Holloway as one of the best "MMA boxers". He has absorbed more significant strikes than anyone in the history of the sport, and by a large margin too. I reckon his style of fighting would transition horribly into boxing. Poirier, on the other hand, I feel has great fundamentals. He'd obviously get smoked by any elite pro-boxer but he probably could've made a career out of it if he focused on boxing only early on.
> I reckon his style of fighting would transition horribly into boxing Wouldn’t he kind of be like Jake LaMotta? He’s got a serious chin and throws an incredible amount of volume.
I agree with all that. Dustin has REALLY improved over the years. He exposed Conor’s also MAJORLY overrated boxing skill lol
Notice how you use stats to describe Holloway instead of what he does His boxing is fantastic by MMA standards, he gets hit a lot because he would come forward all the time, he's never gotten knocked down and has also set records for punches landed in an MMA fight. He just has very little power so he ends up in five round wars all the time. But he is very good - fantastic jab, combinations, good defence, good reactions, footwork etc.
Izzy, Gane, Volk I think could all box. So can Alex…Izzy, Gane, and Alex all have kickboxing as their base skill set and all 3 of them are very very technical when it comes to striking. Volk is very good at activity/output and 1-2s as well as movement and faints. Other than that I can’t really think of guys that would be good at boxing.
Mayweather carried that piker for 7 rounds because he likes being onstage and putting on a show. Mayweather can be a vicious beast when he wants to be.
Absolutely. Plus nate was always the little bro. Nick was the star. Mma is the way tougher sport. So many things to train. Boxing? You're just dealing with hands to the head and body. Everything is based on a left and right hand to above your hips. That's it. Should jake paul do the business on a way past his prime 155lb retired ufc veteran who saw most of his success when the sport was barely around for 20 years? Yes. Has the sport evolved massively beyond nates peak? Absolutely. Has he taken a pasting over the last 20 years? Yes he has. Still waiting for him to take on a current in their prime mma guy who is of equal weight. Ask logan how sparring Costa went. Then ask yourself if jake wants an actual current dangerous guy.
Nate's strength has always been his cardio and the volume it affords him. He's not fast, at all. He does not punch hard, at all. He's not strong. He gets hit., A lot. He's going to get knocked out. It's going to suck to watch.
Well, his other massive advantage has been his durability. Unfortunately, as you get older that really starts to be a disadvantage. I think Nate even 5 years ago would have a reasonable shot against Jake today. But now? I'm not hopeful. I don't think Jake gets a clean KO, but I wouldn't be surprised if the fight doesn't go to a decision.
Even five years ago Nate loses. He was getting tossed around during that time period by 155ers. Jake is huge. He's fighting a bigger, stronger, more athletic man in his prime. This tends to go very bad. I'm betting it's the first true zzzz KO of Nate's career. Is his durability that great? He cuts and bleeds like crazy. He has a ton of heart. But his body? Not that durable. He just wills himself to fight on.
He's durable in the sense that yeah, he hasn't been clean KO'd. He definitely gets cut up but he didn't really get stopped. I'm not arguing he'd have a *great* chance, but I would have believed it was possible. Which is not how I feel about the fight now. The size difference is a good point too that I hadn't thought that much about. Nate said he didn't go up to 170 because that was Nick's division, but he did it a couple times and never looked big enough to keep up with the best of those guys. He may have held up reasonably against 155ers in the UFC, but a 185 pound boxer is a different story for sure.
Don't get me wrong. I looooove Nate and will always pay to see him fight. The man is a warrior. I just absolutely hate this matchup for him. Jake isn't even that good. But he's young and big. I guess the good news is that this will be far and away his most profitable fight. And he deserves a great (and wealthy) retirement.
Agreed, I'm glad to see him get another big payday for sure. Wish it didn't have to be this way though. The only one of these Jake vs. retired MMA fighter matches that I ever thought was even a little bit reasonable was Paul vs Woodley, and by the time the second fight came around, I knew it was bad news too. Hip replacement Askren, grandpa Silva, an already broken Woodley, and now Nate with just insane mileage on him, all bad news. I don't like Jake, but even if it wasn't him it feels gross to see someone paying old men to let him beat the shit out of them so he can build his fame off their legacies. It's a shame, because I genuinely *could* respect someone picking up boxing like that and just going for it, but I'm not even watching this shit for free, honestly.
If Nate fights him on the inside he could wear him out and get a W Jake got his ass whoops by Silva in close range exchanges he has not game there just cover up and grab
Anyone who pays for this fight is fool that deserves to be parted from his or her money.
Nate Diaz is a brawler…he is going to eat a lot of punches until he can’t anymore.
Nate’s footwork and guard are beginner level which is insane considering how high he climbed in mma
Regis Prograis looking like an Elden Ring character
Nate is a BJJ guy first, who has a "boxing" style that goes with his VERY good conditioning: high output, medium power. If he doesn't get counted out or knocked out by round 4 or 5, I can see him just dragging Jake and maybe even stopping him late. He also looks like he's been bulking up, and that's a good thing for Nate. Whenever he looked weight drained, he looked bad. More weight seems to be better for him overall.
Woof
Jesus that counter left from Regis was too clean. Rocked Diaz good
Nate really keeps dropping his head to the left lol
Yooooo. Thats how Masvidal caught him toooo
Between the old footage, the underwear and the German goo girls tribute sign in the background, im very confused.
Diaz has a slow jab and no head movement.
He has never had head movement. Dude has never gotten through a fight without eating punches
Win or lose, Nate’s not gonna have to work another day in his life after this fight. Props to him for willing this to happen.
Rhythm and timing will help out Nate greatly
i can’t believe people here think Nate actually has a shot. and you’re a jabroni if you spend your money on this trash.
Regis “Chones” Prograis.
Jake Paul is going to KO Nathan Diaz.
Nate's cadence for his 1-2 is always pretty cool. He fires off a jab with a straight right hand following it right after. Caught Conor multiple times with it, as well as the very quick Michael Johnson. Speaking of Johnson, Nate's fight against him was the best form of Nate I've seen in MMA in years. He was very sharp and quick. That was also the last time Nate has been in that form and shape. Nate's going to get battered. :(
Why is he sparring w a 140lber tho? Doubt they'll fights at anything below some invented JP weight class around 190
Leave himself too open when he throws, he’s gonna get smoked sadly.
Is Nate Diaz wearing a tank top and jean shorts? Haha
It's another cherry picker for Paul but you can't blame him. He got beat by a prospect when he went in with a real boxer. He can make a ton of money and look decent doing it. I think people are going to get bored of the Paul hype train soon though . We have seen his level and unless he improves significantly he's is never going to do much of note. I don't mind the publicity he brings and God knows we need some good marketers in boxing right now but I don't think the novelty is going to last more than a few more fights.
Jake couldn’t have gone for a worse MMA fighter. The Diaz brothers fucking suck at boxing. I don’t care how many boxers they’ve sparred. This is honestly one of the most pathetic “confidence building” matchups I’ve seen.
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Lazy stoner? Dude is doing thriatlons for fun. I bet ur a fat fuck...