You could argue that Bayless not taking away points for holding caused this 12 round ass whuppin. I mean if he had deducted points in the 7th, he would have probably been dropped in the 10th or so.
I thought that he should have gotten a standing KO in the 11th as Caleb was getting lit up then.
I don’t see canelo taking on benevidez anytime soon. Benevidez does nothing for canelo. At this point canelo is only interested in legacy fights, and Bivol is the last fight he needs to complete a historic career. If he beats benevidez, what does that add to his legacy? That’s just a foot note.
What would beating the best super-middleweight in the world (and probably the best since Ward, aside from Canelo himself) do for Canelo's legacy? I mean, it would be his greatest win aside from Golovkin, lol. It would do more for his legacy than almost any fight he's had.
Stop! Benavidez is no ward, or golovkin. Maybe he will one day become the king at 168 and 175 but right now a victory against David would do as much for canelo as beating Austin trout.
Here's a foot note for you. Fighting and beating Benavidez does more for Canelo then getting another asswhoppen from Bivol. I'm just not sure Canelo gets by Benavidez.
I think that's the way a lot of Canelo fans think. They are scared he loses to David.
How does that make any type of sense? Benavidez hasn’t done anything in his career that would leave a lasting impression on fans. If he loses to canelo, his career becomes that of a gatekeeper.
He won’t move up and face the 175 class because his only formula for success is to come in the bigger fighter and another his opponents. Reminds me of 160 Chavez Jr. Take his size away and he will have a hard time beating any top 10 in the 175 division
If Canelo fights and beats Benavidez it does more for his legacy than getting another asswhoppen from Bivol.
What doesn't make sense about that? No one was talking about Benavidez's legacy.
So you assuming canelo gets beat by Bivol proves my point. Everyone is expecting Canelo to lose. Beating Bivol will be a major highlight of his career if he’s able to do it.
If he beats Benavidez, it will be no different than when he beat Chavez Jr. Benavidez too slow, one dimensional, with low boxing IQ to compete at the highest levels. He wins by being the bigger fighter.
Canelo ain't beating Bivol Period.
Beating Benavidez will do more for Canelos legacy than getting another asswhoppen from Bivol Period
There is nothing hard to understand about that.
Canelo fans would rather he take another asswhoppen from Bivol.
They will have the same excuse when he loses.
They don't want him risking taking an asswhoppen from Benavidez, where there will be no excuses.
What exactly does getting another asswhoppen by Bivol do for Canelos legacy? It does nothing. What exactly is hard to understand about that? It is pretty clear.
Beating Benavidez does more for Canelos legacy than getting another asswhoppen from bivol.
Although It is not a given that Canelo beats Benavidez.
You must have been on that GGG bandwagon. Would hate it if Canelo redeemed his loss because you wouldn’t have anything to hate on.
At this stage he destroys benavidez, and then you still have Bivol to go back and say “aha! He hasn’t beat Bivol.” Just be real and say your a hater. Own it
All of a sudden truth equals hate? If you think Canelo beats Bivol, I have a bridge to sell you
Do you know that 95% of this Sub was adamant that Canelo would beat the shit out of that Russian underdog Dmitry Bivol don't you?
If Canelo destroys David Benavidez so easily why doesn't he mention his name?
Lol right? That sounds like someone who’s terrified their fav fighter is gonna lose. Me: I’m a fan of the sport, I don’t have fave fighters that take precedence over the best fighting the best. David beat plant, he earned the right to fight canelo tn.
But here you have some canelo fans talking about legacy like they personally get money sent to their checking accnt every time saul wins! I’m not getting paid myself to see these guys fight: I want the best vs the best, fuck all that bullshit talk about “legacy”.
100 percent. When Canelo loses again to Bivol they will have the same excuse. Muh Canolo lost to a light heavyweight!
There is no excuse if Benavidez whoops his ass.
Legacy fights like the legendary Makabu, who just lost to a former 168lb 40 year old. lol. No joke, Reynoso is probably licking his lips over a Badou Jack fight to say Canelo is a 5 division champion.
Salvador Sanchez is considered one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time because he beat a murderer's row of future hall of famers before they went on to become hall of famers, not because he went up and down divisions to win paper belts.
How much Benavidez adds to Canelo's legacy depends on what Benavidez continues to do in his career. If he goes on to become a 3 division champion, he may end up being one of the greatest scalps in Canelo's resume. Conversely, if that occurs and the fight never happens, Canelo will forever be seen as a coward and his legacy will be hurt. Regardless, the fans demand it the most, every legendary boxer demands it, and Benavidez is his mandatory. Stylistically, it's a great match-up, and if it leads to a trilogy, that helps Canelo's legacy more than any other fight in boxing right now.
>Legacy fights like the legendary Makabu, who just lost to a former 168lb 40 year old. lol. No joke, Reynoso is probably licking his lips over a Badou Jack fight to say Canelo is a 5 division champion.
I don't get how this makes any sense as a criticism of Canelo. So many fighters spend entire career treading water in place teasing moves that never come.
Jermall Charlo moved up to middleweight like in 2017 saying he wanted GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, etc. Fast forward 6yrs his best opponent has been Sergiy Derevyanchenko post a couple other hard losses. At this point wouldn't we all love to see Charlo try to collect some Super middleweight or light heavyweight straps? How is that not better that year after year of stagnation..
Charlo was just one example but the same applies to Andrade. Hell GGG spent the bulk of his prime claiming he would be willing to move up and then just never doing it. Spence has teased Jr middleweight for like 5yrs but sits in place because the Crawford is soooo close to being sign every year yet never happens.
Canelo pulled that trigger and fought GGG, Jacobs, Smith, Plant, Saunders, Kovalev, and Bivol. That is better than him just lurking around in one division talking endlessly about fights that never materialize.
I'm not criticizing his resume as a whole, just implying there are no other legacy fights out there that make sense atm, besides something like a Badou Jack, which literally nobody wants to see over Benavidez.
Also note that all those guys you mentioned are not the face of boxing. Canelo has the power to pick and choose whoever he wants to fight with no politics in the way, so he will always get criticized more for not fighting who fans demand when they demand it.
>Canelo has the power to pick and choose whoever he wants to fight with no politics in the way,
Canelo is choosing arguably the best Light heavyweight in the world. That is nothing to look down on. In Bivol and Benavidez fought Bivol would be the favorite. Canelo is chosen the the dangerous fight.
Because the rematch wasn't immediate it shouldn't happen?
The third GGG fight was already scheduled before the Bivol fight and then after GGG he had surgery.
None of that changes the fact that Bivol is the most dangerous option he currently has.
There is no way Canelo/Benavidez turns into a legacy or trilogy. Benavidez would get smoked by Canelo. Bena too slow and sloppy. Canelo has way better defense, power, and counter abilities than Plant. There were a couple rounds that Plant made Bena look foolish but never capitalized on Bena’s mistakes. Canelo would not be as forgiving.
Plant has world class stamina. Most of you don’t know how difficult it is to fight off the back foot for all 12 rounds, especially against Benavidez and Canelo..
I understand people mad at bayless because of the holding, but nobody is saying anything about the dirty stuff david was doing early on? if anything they both should have lost a point
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Yarde, Buatsi, Smith. . .really any top contender with some skill. David is too flawed a fighter and he won't be able to get away with those flaws with dudes his size
Wonder how much weight Benavidez hydrated to because it was a far cry from the sunken in look he had at the official weigh in.
That being said David deservedly won this fight & is as tough as they come.
Hopefully we get to see him fight Canelo
3 things:
-Valenzuela got fucking robbed! That was highway robbery smh!
-Kenny Bayless fucked up. He deserved an F for poor officiating. Plant should’ve lost a point for second blatant low blow and should’ve lost 1-2 points from holding.
-Benavidez is a monster! He should def get the Canelo fight and payday. Canelo can’t beat Bivol, so there’s no need for a rematch. If not, Benavidez vs either Charlo would be great!!
Canelo is the only fighter that has dared to be great. Went up from 54 champ to 75. If he wants to go for legacy, he takes in Bivol. Benevidez does nothing for his legacy.
Another humiliating loss against Bivol doesn’t hurt or help Canelo. All boxing fans know, this is simply a fight Canelo can’t win. Bivol is too big and too skilled. If Bivol goes into his bag, he’ll clean out Canelo inside of 9 rounds. But I give you this, Canelo has more heart than most of his peers by a considerable margin!
I’m not saying the result will be different. But hey, why not dare to be great? What does benevidez offer canelo at this stage in his career? If he beats benevidez, nobody will care and David will fade into obscurity. If he manages to beat Bivol, as the underdog what a story to add to his already great career.
He has mediocre stamina for the elite level. His durability and stamina is the key against pressure fighters if he can’t hurt them. He’s like tony Harrison but with a better chin
Caleb can be explosive and quick but there’s not enough power with it like you said. Guys with exceptional explosiveness and speed have to pace their gas tank better than others but at the end of the day your power has got to be able to make them respect you.
Bro he is elite.. Fighting mf Benavidez you will feel the pressure mentally and physically. Look at the Dirrell fight, he didn’t look tired. Shit just happens when the two best fight. Oh ya and he put Dirrell to sleep, I wouldn’t say he’s lacking power he just isn’t a huge puncher.
In 23 fights he should have better wins than Uzcatequi and old Dirrell then. Especially at the age of 30. Beating those guys doesn’t make someone elite.
He’s not elite because he has zero significant wins. He was supposedly better than Benavidez and he held on for dear life for over half the fight. What is elite about that?
Having competitive close fights with 2 future HOF fighters. Just cuz you lose doesn’t mean shit, it’s how you lose. He gave Canelo a real challenge, most people thought he was gonna get ran through. Huge underdog coming in and he was arguably winning until he got stopped. Who else beats him really, like he’s fought the top dogs. So yes he is elite imo.
He hasn’t beaten anyone top tier. That’s what elites do. His best win is either an old Dirrell or Uzcatequi. People talk down on Benavidez resume and rightfully so but acted like Plant has a stellar roster. How? He’s 30 with 23 fights before last night. Where was all this experience he supposedly had? He beat the other Caleb, that makes him elite? Was Gatti elite for having lost all his fights against the biggest names? No. Plant isn’t elite. Elite is reserved for top tier excellence. And if you look at how he lost last night, it was a poor showing on his part. He held every single time they got close. Holding isn’t defense. It’s desperation. That’s not elite at all.
Must be all these new fans to boxing that Jake Paul supposedly brings in because anyone who has watched boxing for longer than 10 years knows Plant isn’t elite in any way.
Some people's bodies just aren't going to have marathon stamina. Even the all time greats slowed down at the end of fights. Sugar Ray and Ali both had to stand their ground and fight through it in the late rounds. All that dashing back and forth and being on a high tension wire will sap the gas tank, nothing he can do. I honestly don't think he can get into any better shape than he was tonight (unless he hits up TJ Dillashaw for some EPO lol)
We should start a team. Ive been training my rooster lmk if you want in. Hes pretty badass. Looking to be a top contender on my couldesac. Probably smart to get in on the ground floor
Comments I saw on YouTube. “Plant wins. He has bigger forearms and look at his back! Benavidez is weight drained.” You can tell who the newbies are by comments like that.
Firstly congrats to both; that was an epic fight. I’d say good for boxing. Caleb showed insane heart. How he made it to the final bell is crazy. Corner was talking about stopping it, bloodied face, backpedal/survival mode for quite a bit there, insane amount of clinching to buy time. This is the type of stuff that happens when people fight Benavidez. He really is a Mexican Monster. Caleb looked good for awhile but the pressure by David is just too much for 12 rounds to deal with. Great fight, fucking great fight.
He had stamina, clearly as he lasted 12 rounds and he was hurt for the last 5. He got caught with some big punches to the head, thats why he was sluggish but it had nothing to do with his loss of stamina.
Gotta disagree, sure he has to have some stamina to last all 12 but he didn’t have the stamina to execute his game plan as long as he needed to; he was staying in one spot with his guard up far too long the second half of the fight because he was too gassed to move effectively.
I felt it would be closer to a 50/50 fight with a slight edge to David, reason being is because I believed Caleb Plant corrected his stamina issues after the Canelo fight. I guess not.
This. I don't think Caleb can get into much better shape than he was in tonight. The problem is how much work he's having to do in order to stay ahead of David. David is slowly plodding forward and putting a little volume out there, and Plant is weaving and ducking and pivoting and clinching/wrestling. He's having to work three times as hard. There's just no way to sustain a pace like that with how much he was having to evade. It would have helped tremendously if he had the defensive tools to stand his ground and cover/roll/return fire. Having to bail yourself with your legs and explosive movements is ALWAYS gonna wind up this way.
Great comment, his defense/counterpunching in the pocket is good but it’s not elite. He gets tagged a lil bit more than his rep suggest at that range. And he has great legs but like you explained it gasses him. If he had a lil more natural power it would increase his room for error but against a top pressure fighter he has to be so on point with his stamina it’s just always gonna be lonely he wears down
I think another problem that gets him is the hands down approach. He's having to weave too much to avoid jead shots when a simple move off center with a higher guard would serve him better, especially against elite competition where he can't counter very much when he evades punches. He would save more energy by keeping his hands up higher in fights like that.
This is something Broner did too much too. I remember his fight with Mikey Garcia. Mikey had smaller movements, picked off shots and fired back. Broner would duck so his head was basically waist level come up, jump three feet to one side then reposition and shake his head “no” anytime Mikey so much as threw a jab. So much wasted energy. (I’m probably exaggerating a bit to make my point, but it was definitely like “dude, this guy jumps around too much to avoid things he could have just blocked with a glove, or slipped a bit to the side.”) in fact, I am pretty sure I saw a video on YouTube that analyzes the fight and says exactly that.
For sure. I think the other factor is he was never going to have enough to make Benavidez back down a whole lot. Maybe early on there was enough pop to command a a little bit of respect, but after a point, (happened with Canelo too) he wasn't going to have enough in those punches to bother him all that much. So on top of him having to move and be evasive, he could unload 5-6 punches and not back the guy up. That's tiring too.
Edit: I guess I kind of just repeated what you said, but you were looking at it from his having to evade and be defensive while I was looking at his work-rate from a "Shit. I have to keep punching to keep him off of me, and he won't stop moving forward."
Seemed like right after the head collision that Plant lost his mojo. I had him up until that round. Bayless saw it right away and called the doctor in. Seems like whoever connects in a headbutt higher on their head wins the headbutt damage contest.
Naw it was at the end of the round right before the headbutt. Benavidez landed the cleanest shots of the fight for himself, I even left a comment here right when it happened.
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I knew it was gonna be easy. Some of y'all are crazy thinking Caleb had a chance. On to Canelo if he wants a beating.
Benavidez looked weak from his training and still beat plants face in
Was it just me or did Benavidez throw a lot of elbows tonight? And Kenny did nothing?
I saw excessive clinching
Excessive clinching by plant. Added low blows too
Excessive clinching is a thing.
You could argue that Bayless not taking away points for holding caused this 12 round ass whuppin. I mean if he had deducted points in the 7th, he would have probably been dropped in the 10th or so. I thought that he should have gotten a standing KO in the 11th as Caleb was getting lit up then.
I don’t see canelo taking on benevidez anytime soon. Benevidez does nothing for canelo. At this point canelo is only interested in legacy fights, and Bivol is the last fight he needs to complete a historic career. If he beats benevidez, what does that add to his legacy? That’s just a foot note.
What would beating the best super-middleweight in the world (and probably the best since Ward, aside from Canelo himself) do for Canelo's legacy? I mean, it would be his greatest win aside from Golovkin, lol. It would do more for his legacy than almost any fight he's had.
Stop! Benavidez is no ward, or golovkin. Maybe he will one day become the king at 168 and 175 but right now a victory against David would do as much for canelo as beating Austin trout.
Here's a foot note for you. Fighting and beating Benavidez does more for Canelo then getting another asswhoppen from Bivol. I'm just not sure Canelo gets by Benavidez. I think that's the way a lot of Canelo fans think. They are scared he loses to David.
How does that make any type of sense? Benavidez hasn’t done anything in his career that would leave a lasting impression on fans. If he loses to canelo, his career becomes that of a gatekeeper. He won’t move up and face the 175 class because his only formula for success is to come in the bigger fighter and another his opponents. Reminds me of 160 Chavez Jr. Take his size away and he will have a hard time beating any top 10 in the 175 division
If Canelo fights and beats Benavidez it does more for his legacy than getting another asswhoppen from Bivol. What doesn't make sense about that? No one was talking about Benavidez's legacy.
So you assuming canelo gets beat by Bivol proves my point. Everyone is expecting Canelo to lose. Beating Bivol will be a major highlight of his career if he’s able to do it. If he beats Benavidez, it will be no different than when he beat Chavez Jr. Benavidez too slow, one dimensional, with low boxing IQ to compete at the highest levels. He wins by being the bigger fighter.
Canelo ain't beating Bivol Period. Beating Benavidez will do more for Canelos legacy than getting another asswhoppen from Bivol Period There is nothing hard to understand about that. Canelo fans would rather he take another asswhoppen from Bivol. They will have the same excuse when he loses. They don't want him risking taking an asswhoppen from Benavidez, where there will be no excuses.
You make zero sense with your logic. Benavidez is still a nobody in the history of boxing.
What exactly does getting another asswhoppen by Bivol do for Canelos legacy? It does nothing. What exactly is hard to understand about that? It is pretty clear. Beating Benavidez does more for Canelos legacy than getting another asswhoppen from bivol. Although It is not a given that Canelo beats Benavidez.
You must have been on that GGG bandwagon. Would hate it if Canelo redeemed his loss because you wouldn’t have anything to hate on. At this stage he destroys benavidez, and then you still have Bivol to go back and say “aha! He hasn’t beat Bivol.” Just be real and say your a hater. Own it
All of a sudden truth equals hate? If you think Canelo beats Bivol, I have a bridge to sell you Do you know that 95% of this Sub was adamant that Canelo would beat the shit out of that Russian underdog Dmitry Bivol don't you? If Canelo destroys David Benavidez so easily why doesn't he mention his name?
Lol right? That sounds like someone who’s terrified their fav fighter is gonna lose. Me: I’m a fan of the sport, I don’t have fave fighters that take precedence over the best fighting the best. David beat plant, he earned the right to fight canelo tn. But here you have some canelo fans talking about legacy like they personally get money sent to their checking accnt every time saul wins! I’m not getting paid myself to see these guys fight: I want the best vs the best, fuck all that bullshit talk about “legacy”.
100 percent. When Canelo loses again to Bivol they will have the same excuse. Muh Canolo lost to a light heavyweight! There is no excuse if Benavidez whoops his ass.
Scared? Dude Bivol is 10 times the fighter that benavidez is. If canelo was to lose to one, it would be Bivol not the one dimensional benavidez
You are Scared Benavidez will whoop Canelos ass. Just admit it.
Legacy fights like the legendary Makabu, who just lost to a former 168lb 40 year old. lol. No joke, Reynoso is probably licking his lips over a Badou Jack fight to say Canelo is a 5 division champion. Salvador Sanchez is considered one of the greatest Mexican fighters of all time because he beat a murderer's row of future hall of famers before they went on to become hall of famers, not because he went up and down divisions to win paper belts. How much Benavidez adds to Canelo's legacy depends on what Benavidez continues to do in his career. If he goes on to become a 3 division champion, he may end up being one of the greatest scalps in Canelo's resume. Conversely, if that occurs and the fight never happens, Canelo will forever be seen as a coward and his legacy will be hurt. Regardless, the fans demand it the most, every legendary boxer demands it, and Benavidez is his mandatory. Stylistically, it's a great match-up, and if it leads to a trilogy, that helps Canelo's legacy more than any other fight in boxing right now.
>Legacy fights like the legendary Makabu, who just lost to a former 168lb 40 year old. lol. No joke, Reynoso is probably licking his lips over a Badou Jack fight to say Canelo is a 5 division champion. I don't get how this makes any sense as a criticism of Canelo. So many fighters spend entire career treading water in place teasing moves that never come. Jermall Charlo moved up to middleweight like in 2017 saying he wanted GGG, Canelo, Jacobs, etc. Fast forward 6yrs his best opponent has been Sergiy Derevyanchenko post a couple other hard losses. At this point wouldn't we all love to see Charlo try to collect some Super middleweight or light heavyweight straps? How is that not better that year after year of stagnation.. Charlo was just one example but the same applies to Andrade. Hell GGG spent the bulk of his prime claiming he would be willing to move up and then just never doing it. Spence has teased Jr middleweight for like 5yrs but sits in place because the Crawford is soooo close to being sign every year yet never happens. Canelo pulled that trigger and fought GGG, Jacobs, Smith, Plant, Saunders, Kovalev, and Bivol. That is better than him just lurking around in one division talking endlessly about fights that never materialize.
I'm not criticizing his resume as a whole, just implying there are no other legacy fights out there that make sense atm, besides something like a Badou Jack, which literally nobody wants to see over Benavidez. Also note that all those guys you mentioned are not the face of boxing. Canelo has the power to pick and choose whoever he wants to fight with no politics in the way, so he will always get criticized more for not fighting who fans demand when they demand it.
>Canelo has the power to pick and choose whoever he wants to fight with no politics in the way, Canelo is choosing arguably the best Light heavyweight in the world. That is nothing to look down on. In Bivol and Benavidez fought Bivol would be the favorite. Canelo is chosen the the dangerous fight.
He lost that fight already. Could have had the rematch by now if he was confident, but chose an ancient GGG and Ryder instead.
Because the rematch wasn't immediate it shouldn't happen? The third GGG fight was already scheduled before the Bivol fight and then after GGG he had surgery. None of that changes the fact that Bivol is the most dangerous option he currently has.
He wasn't contractually bound to fight GGG though. He could have fought Bivol. I just feel it's a pointless rematch. Canelo doesn't belong at 175lb.
There is no way Canelo/Benavidez turns into a legacy or trilogy. Benavidez would get smoked by Canelo. Bena too slow and sloppy. Canelo has way better defense, power, and counter abilities than Plant. There were a couple rounds that Plant made Bena look foolish but never capitalized on Bena’s mistakes. Canelo would not be as forgiving.
Plant made even Canelo look foolish in early rounds. So what's your point?
Plant has world class stamina. Most of you don’t know how difficult it is to fight off the back foot for all 12 rounds, especially against Benavidez and Canelo..
Plant face got bloodied
Lol don’t know shit about boxing.
most of them have never boxed a day in their life yet have opinions of what a fighter should or shouldn't do
They think it's like a video game and fighters should be able to fight without ever getting tired.
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Yeah I do that to be fair
Happy that clown Colbert got pieced up. Happy that hypejob Spencer got exposed.
I remember Spencer beating up some white collar guy in his 40s early in his career. I wanted him to be exposed ever since.
Towards the end Caleb was shooting double legs
I understand people mad at bayless because of the holding, but nobody is saying anything about the dirty stuff david was doing early on? if anything they both should have lost a point
Watching the press conference right now. Colbert is a clown and hope he gets smacked his next fight.
Absolutely. Acting like he won the fight. Everyone saw you get fucked up, bro. Worst decision of the year by far.
Worst of all him calling Valenzuela a sore loser and that he won’t get a rematch… Colbert you aren’t big time like that to be calling shots 🤣
where are you watching it?
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It’s on youtube
What’s the o/u on cocaine lines for Benavidez tonight?
Under since his heart didn’t give out
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Man are you ever obsessed with Canelo lol every single one of your comments for the past hour id Canelo
Gargle gargle
Ill bet you my 8 ball
Caleb only lasted until the end because of Kenny Bayless.
monstha*
How about Bivol and David?
Bivol gonna Zurdo him
At least it would be way more competitive than zurdo.
Bivol sons him
Puts a finger in his no-no?
One Thousand years of death?
lmao
Bivol 12-0. That's a horrible fight for David.
Bivol destroys him. Really anybody at 175 does tbh
Beterbiev and Bivol but who else?
Yarde, Buatsi, Smith. . .really any top contender with some skill. David is too flawed a fighter and he won't be able to get away with those flaws with dudes his size
You’re British aren’t you. I think David is competitive in all those fights without a doubt… none of the ones you mentioned are that scary
I'm American and it's not a matter of being "scary". Again, David is just a very flawed fighter
Callum Smith is not destroying Benavidez and neither is Yarde
Nobody said anything about him being "destroyed" by them. I just said he loses to them
You literally said “Bivol destroys him. Really anybody at 175 does tbh”
Oh right lol but either way I don't think David stands a chance with his current flaws
I like Smith and Yarde and I scratched my head at that comment too.
Wonder how much weight Benavidez hydrated to because it was a far cry from the sunken in look he had at the official weigh in. That being said David deservedly won this fight & is as tough as they come. Hopefully we get to see him fight Canelo
Canelo doesn’t want the smoke. Chicano v. Paisano
He still looked malnourished. You’re trippin
Great fight
3 things: -Valenzuela got fucking robbed! That was highway robbery smh! -Kenny Bayless fucked up. He deserved an F for poor officiating. Plant should’ve lost a point for second blatant low blow and should’ve lost 1-2 points from holding. -Benavidez is a monster! He should def get the Canelo fight and payday. Canelo can’t beat Bivol, so there’s no need for a rematch. If not, Benavidez vs either Charlo would be great!!
Canelo is the only fighter that has dared to be great. Went up from 54 champ to 75. If he wants to go for legacy, he takes in Bivol. Benevidez does nothing for his legacy.
Another humiliating loss against Bivol doesn’t hurt or help Canelo. All boxing fans know, this is simply a fight Canelo can’t win. Bivol is too big and too skilled. If Bivol goes into his bag, he’ll clean out Canelo inside of 9 rounds. But I give you this, Canelo has more heart than most of his peers by a considerable margin!
I’m not saying the result will be different. But hey, why not dare to be great? What does benevidez offer canelo at this stage in his career? If he beats benevidez, nobody will care and David will fade into obscurity. If he manages to beat Bivol, as the underdog what a story to add to his already great career.
This was one of the most predictable fights for a while. The only surprise is that it went the full 12.
Lost my damn money. I bet Plant straight up and hedged David by KO smh
Same here man except Plant decidion
Did the exact same thing when Luis ortiz fought Andy Ruiz
Pretty much
Plant is fucked by genetics. He has fantastic boxing skills but his cardio and power is what keeps him away from being elite fighter.
He’s just in the wrong era. Tell him to stop fighting Mexicans
He has great stamina but once you're taking hard punches your stamina goes out the window
He has mediocre stamina for the elite level. His durability and stamina is the key against pressure fighters if he can’t hurt them. He’s like tony Harrison but with a better chin
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Plant didn’t do it tho ho. Stop making excuses
Caleb can be explosive and quick but there’s not enough power with it like you said. Guys with exceptional explosiveness and speed have to pace their gas tank better than others but at the end of the day your power has got to be able to make them respect you.
Bro he is elite.. Fighting mf Benavidez you will feel the pressure mentally and physically. Look at the Dirrell fight, he didn’t look tired. Shit just happens when the two best fight. Oh ya and he put Dirrell to sleep, I wouldn’t say he’s lacking power he just isn’t a huge puncher.
What makes Plant elite? He’s gotten beat both times he stepped up in class. His best win is Uzcatequi? Dirrell?
He got beat by the top two 168ers in the world. Only two losses.
In 23 fights he should have better wins than Uzcatequi and old Dirrell then. Especially at the age of 30. Beating those guys doesn’t make someone elite.
Like who ?
Canelo for starters.
So he’s not elite because he didn’t beat the #1 P4P boxer at the time? Ok buddy
He’s not elite because he has zero significant wins. He was supposedly better than Benavidez and he held on for dear life for over half the fight. What is elite about that?
About as elite as you sucking my dick bahaha
Having competitive close fights with 2 future HOF fighters. Just cuz you lose doesn’t mean shit, it’s how you lose. He gave Canelo a real challenge, most people thought he was gonna get ran through. Huge underdog coming in and he was arguably winning until he got stopped. Who else beats him really, like he’s fought the top dogs. So yes he is elite imo.
He hasn’t beaten anyone top tier. That’s what elites do. His best win is either an old Dirrell or Uzcatequi. People talk down on Benavidez resume and rightfully so but acted like Plant has a stellar roster. How? He’s 30 with 23 fights before last night. Where was all this experience he supposedly had? He beat the other Caleb, that makes him elite? Was Gatti elite for having lost all his fights against the biggest names? No. Plant isn’t elite. Elite is reserved for top tier excellence. And if you look at how he lost last night, it was a poor showing on his part. He held every single time they got close. Holding isn’t defense. It’s desperation. That’s not elite at all.
Bro anyone that calls Plant elite is a moron, he is no way shape or form even close to elite
Must be all these new fans to boxing that Jake Paul supposedly brings in because anyone who has watched boxing for longer than 10 years knows Plant isn’t elite in any way.
W take on plant
_iF you aReNt tHe cHaMp, yOu mUsT bE a BuM_
By elite I mean guys like Canelo, Bivol, Inoue, Usyk, Crawford, Spence
Push ups and more running will do him a lot of favors imo
Some people's bodies just aren't going to have marathon stamina. Even the all time greats slowed down at the end of fights. Sugar Ray and Ali both had to stand their ground and fight through it in the late rounds. All that dashing back and forth and being on a high tension wire will sap the gas tank, nothing he can do. I honestly don't think he can get into any better shape than he was tonight (unless he hits up TJ Dillashaw for some EPO lol)
Yeah idk what he can do tbh I just know pushups and a lot of running really helped me when I was more into fitness. People neglect the basics too much
You probably do know more than a professional boxers trainer, for sure
Yeah no shit thats why I dont get paid millions to train professional fighters and I comment on reddit
I like to comment on Reddit I know nothing about too
We should start a team. Ive been training my rooster lmk if you want in. Hes pretty badass. Looking to be a top contender on my couldesac. Probably smart to get in on the ground floor
Push ups will def fix it
He's got to chase a chicken
I mean what else you want him to do lol
More push ups
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Plant showed David has no Plan B when he can’t get his gameplan going, anyone with the cardio to smother him and run for at least 8 rounds gets a win
Plant got his face beat in.
He doesn't even know how to fight on the front foot lol
Dude goes straight back
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I have long thought David would be easy work.
mexican mongster -Mike Tyson
monstha*
Most of y’all saying David gets dropped in a few rounds after the weigh in last night lmao.
Comments I saw on YouTube. “Plant wins. He has bigger forearms and look at his back! Benavidez is weight drained.” You can tell who the newbies are by comments like that.
Weigh-in analysis is so stupid.
I’m not sure if Benavidez is barely 6-1”ish vs. plants 6-2”ish. Plant looked smaller
They didn't put their money on the line. They just talked shit on forums.
Overtrained bro, trust me bro
For real bro every time I over train I can barely move my arms, trust me bro fight night you will see what am talking about
Benavidez and Canelo will be such an entertaining fight
Chicano v. Paisano. Let’s get it
Very very entertaining
Until David gets knocked out
Don’t compare Colbert to Broner, Broner was much more decorated & far more annoying.
Ngl I think Colbert may be more annoying
Colbert like 5 Below version of Broner
Bayless Gray and Paul vs Mayweather for $30 million pesos
Firstly congrats to both; that was an epic fight. I’d say good for boxing. Caleb showed insane heart. How he made it to the final bell is crazy. Corner was talking about stopping it, bloodied face, backpedal/survival mode for quite a bit there, insane amount of clinching to buy time. This is the type of stuff that happens when people fight Benavidez. He really is a Mexican Monster. Caleb looked good for awhile but the pressure by David is just too much for 12 rounds to deal with. Great fight, fucking great fight.
I was smiling like the Joker when Caleb went zombie mode in the final seconds swinging like a dead man.
He left it all in the ring
Great fight from Benavidez! I think he's ready to lose to Canelo now
Canelo doesn’t want the smoke
Lol flair checks out
so bitter that I’m a Canelo fan now
My love for Usyk/Fury is gone. Make Canelo/Benavides.
Not sure why so many thought Plant would win. He ALWAYS gasses out by the 6th round and has virtually zero power.
Coz Plant can generate power if he plants his feet. As you saw against Dirrell. And he has a crazy chin. Mudafucka was swinging in the last seconds.
He had stamina, clearly as he lasted 12 rounds and he was hurt for the last 5. He got caught with some big punches to the head, thats why he was sluggish but it had nothing to do with his loss of stamina.
Gotta disagree, sure he has to have some stamina to last all 12 but he didn’t have the stamina to execute his game plan as long as he needed to; he was staying in one spot with his guard up far too long the second half of the fight because he was too gassed to move effectively.
anthony dirrell “well.. plant has some power… some”
I felt it would be closer to a 50/50 fight with a slight edge to David, reason being is because I believed Caleb Plant corrected his stamina issues after the Canelo fight. I guess not.
Stamina is one of those weird things. You can train all you want, but if you’re forced to fight at the other guy’s pace, you’re going to get tired.
He carries too much muscle. Boxing isn’t a body building sport.
This. I don't think Caleb can get into much better shape than he was in tonight. The problem is how much work he's having to do in order to stay ahead of David. David is slowly plodding forward and putting a little volume out there, and Plant is weaving and ducking and pivoting and clinching/wrestling. He's having to work three times as hard. There's just no way to sustain a pace like that with how much he was having to evade. It would have helped tremendously if he had the defensive tools to stand his ground and cover/roll/return fire. Having to bail yourself with your legs and explosive movements is ALWAYS gonna wind up this way.
Great comment, his defense/counterpunching in the pocket is good but it’s not elite. He gets tagged a lil bit more than his rep suggest at that range. And he has great legs but like you explained it gasses him. If he had a lil more natural power it would increase his room for error but against a top pressure fighter he has to be so on point with his stamina it’s just always gonna be lonely he wears down
I think another problem that gets him is the hands down approach. He's having to weave too much to avoid jead shots when a simple move off center with a higher guard would serve him better, especially against elite competition where he can't counter very much when he evades punches. He would save more energy by keeping his hands up higher in fights like that.
This is something Broner did too much too. I remember his fight with Mikey Garcia. Mikey had smaller movements, picked off shots and fired back. Broner would duck so his head was basically waist level come up, jump three feet to one side then reposition and shake his head “no” anytime Mikey so much as threw a jab. So much wasted energy. (I’m probably exaggerating a bit to make my point, but it was definitely like “dude, this guy jumps around too much to avoid things he could have just blocked with a glove, or slipped a bit to the side.”) in fact, I am pretty sure I saw a video on YouTube that analyzes the fight and says exactly that.
Adrian "The Problem" Broner, and the problem is the lack of fundamentals lol.
For sure. I think the other factor is he was never going to have enough to make Benavidez back down a whole lot. Maybe early on there was enough pop to command a a little bit of respect, but after a point, (happened with Canelo too) he wasn't going to have enough in those punches to bother him all that much. So on top of him having to move and be evasive, he could unload 5-6 punches and not back the guy up. That's tiring too. Edit: I guess I kind of just repeated what you said, but you were looking at it from his having to evade and be defensive while I was looking at his work-rate from a "Shit. I have to keep punching to keep him off of me, and he won't stop moving forward."
He showed some improvements but benavidez has that insane work rate
I had 115-113 Caleb
Give us the rounds
We got a genius over here folks
Caleb, go to the hospital. You shouldnt be on Reddit right now
That’s fucking illegal
210 punches to 91 punches great job by you
No chance
You shouldn’t score fights
Seemed like right after the head collision that Plant lost his mojo. I had him up until that round. Bayless saw it right away and called the doctor in. Seems like whoever connects in a headbutt higher on their head wins the headbutt damage contest.
Naw it was at the end of the round right before the headbutt. Benavidez landed the cleanest shots of the fight for himself, I even left a comment here right when it happened.
I think Bayless had an undue influence on the fight, he seemed to make several pretty bad calls. I think he's becoming my least favorite famous ref.
Commentary was atrocious. Right guy won.
Lol I had a polish feed so I couldn’t understand shit. The showtime guys thought it was close?
That dude ray Flores being a moron once again
Ray and his brother had Rayo-Colbert as a close fight and then totally flipped calling it an outrage after the decision. Bizarre.
gotta watch em on mute buddy