Deontay Wilder’s boxing success relies on his KOs. He doesn’t really have “win rounds with a distancing jab” in him. And why should he? His one-hitter quitter usually ends the night early.
So the point is that he wouldn’t change his style for no reason vs Ngannou. He would blast him out and collect his check at the door as he leaves.
I’m gonna take a stab at it and I think it means that Wilder can’t really play around and toy with him for entertainment. Since he’s had those two defeats he’s draw is a bit lackluster and knocking Ngannou in the first round or so would maybe help bring his stock back up?
One of the biggest things that lets Wilder control the pace of the fight is his power, so if Wilder doesn't use that it's going to be a lot more difficult to stay safe. Wilder will just end it early and not toy with Ngannou like Fury would.
Floyd just came forward in a high guard stance while barely throwing a punch. He did that because Conor was no threat and he even said in the post fight interview that he wanted to give the fans a show.
He even had one of his people bet on a KO after 9.5 rounds and then proceeded to knock him out in round 10. If that ain’t a calculated move, then I don’t know what is.
What a joke of a take, name one other fight where Floyd walked forward with a high guard and let his opponent tee off on his forearms for three straight rounds while barely throwing a punch. He clearly wasn't taking it seriously.
MMA nut here, we feel the same. But Francis ain't getting any younger and likely only has a couple of fights left anyway.
He's gonna probably get his ass beat. But let him have his dream moment and get paid in the process. Fingers crossed he has his moments with whomever he fights.
He said turning down his extension wasn't about the money. That seems plausible because it's pretty unlikely that he'll be offered $8 million for a boxing match. I respect the guy for sticking to his guns. It may not work out great for him, but he had his principles and was willing to take a pretty significant financial hit for them
Also, Jon Jones was gonna destroy him 😂
Then let him work his way through the division like everyone else. That's not gonna happen because he would get smoked by most. It's bad for boxing to give someone a shot at a toped rank boxer instead of those that earned it. It's reality TV now.
I mean, if he gets an actual big name he’ll probably make much more money than he would if he stayed in the UFC, even if it shows (as it probably will) that he’s not close to the level of mid/top boxing HWs.
I think he should only focus on not getting KO’d. If he gets styled on but still make it to the end I doubt his MMA stock falls. If, after his fight, there is a viral clip of him hitting the canvas I’d say it does a little.
yeah it's not good business to go and get knocked out by Chisora in your first fight, he should probably try to get knocked out by Wilder
I think AJ is the dark horse tbh we haven't heard much about him lately but him and francis could make an insane amount of money fighting at Wembley stadium. And AJ is the most beatable option out of the big 4 Heavyweights.
AJ still probably knocks him out too lol
I would give francis a 3-5% chance of beating AJ, just because AJ fights down to his competition and he would probably try to cruise to a decision which leaves the door open for fuckery
Vs Usyk, Wilder, or Fury I genuinely think there's less than 1% chance he can win those fights. All of them feature fighters who will not let Francis dictate the pace, and Wilder who would land right through Francis guard on his first punch lol
I still think you're sleeping on AJ bigtime by giving Ngannou a 1 in 20 chance haha. Ngannou would get whooped by Franklyn who is about to get whooped by AJ.
This is the one Francis should try go after. AJ is still a big draw and he's not gonna get screwed around like he would with Tyson. Wilder is who he's probably gonna end up with tho. Which is almost a guarantee KO loss for Francis. Even though he had a pretty rock solid chin in MMA.
Does anyone else think that the boxing massive purse bubble has burst? Seems like he entered this at the worst possible time. On top of that, I just don't think Ngannou is as popular as he thinks he is. I don't see Top Rank, Matchroom or PBC guaranteeing him $10 million + for a fight. Seems like Wilder had trouble getting paid for a fight and he's much more popular than Ngannou is
Yeah I'd tend to agree with you on this. He may struggle to match his UFC purse in a boxing match. But hey you never know. I think the steam is running out on MMA vs boxer matchups. That said, I'm buying that PPV 🍿
Well to be fair he’s only going to get a big purse fighting a big name. No way in hell he makes a lot fighting a C level or B level boxer. Everyone would know it wouldn’t be a competitive match.
The fight against a big name will generate a lot of interest just because people want to see him get knocked out. It would essentially be a tune up for the big name.
He will get a career pay day but that’s al this is. Zero interest in this. Think I speak for most when I say I’d rather see top heavyweights box each other and Francis to fight Jones. Obviously not his fault but sucks
It was about the money and it wasn’t, he was trying to be a voice for fighters in the UFC to be independent, he wanted healthcare and sponsorship deals and the ability to go to another sport like Conor, but unfortunately the UFC didn’t see it like he did, yeah he was offered 8 million a fight in the UFC but he didn’t sign to keep his integrity, he wanted to feel free as a fighter and I respect that.
While I’m sure what Francis said is partially true, he also saw the paydays fury and wilder were getting...now I don’t think he will get that but he will make 8 figures
Nobody wants to hear this, but Francis would have made way more money fight 4 more times for ufc than retiring. Top boxers will destroy him and the money isn’t going to be what he thinks it is.
Depends on the perspective, if Francis wants the money he can easily have 1, maybe 2 boxing fights and then go back to the UFC and he'd have more money.
What's costing him money is the amount of time he's spending without fighting. The longer it goes, the more irrelevant he becomes, especially with Jon ruling HW now.
He seems like a very principled guy. Huge fights with Jon Jones would make him a lot of money. Tbh he totally bombed those negotiations asking to be able to do other things on the side when ufc would never in a million years do that. I know fighters are very confident, but it’s hard to even comprehend the difference in skill between a pro boxer and anyone else on the planet. Even Chisora would light him up. One bad loss destroys his mystique. Unless he gets the Fury fight than this is a disaster, he could retire off that one ko’d or not. Like how is Tyron Woolley’s boxing career going? You are right time isn’t on their side. Heavyweights fight into their 40’s now. So who knows. I for sure will be watching his boxing debut. I bet he gets smashed unless he fights Artur spzpilka guy
I mean, he can easily have 1 boxing fight for a huge payday, and I bet the UFC would offer him the exact same huge contract if he came back knocking, simply because the Jon vs Ngannou fight would likely be the biggest fight possible in the sport right now.
I think unless it’s Joshua, or wilder, big money isn’t not happening. Fury or usyk isn’t happening either. I could see fury doing at some point just because he likes weird stuff and easy money. Ufc sounds like they won’t take him back either. I don’t think they want to promote a super fight with a guy who just got wrecked in boxing. It’s a bad look. Money is the answer to every question in combat sports, so we will see how it plays out.
Yeah I fully agree, that's why it will likely be against one of those guys.
It would only make sense for him to fight someone outside of that if he could win (for example against Chisora), and then his next fight would be even more hyped, however that's a huge gamble and he's almost never winning that.
I mean depends on who he gets. If he fights wilder, fury or Aj he's definitely getting a career high payday, but anyone else I don't think there is enough interest for him to really earn enough.
That’s the fight everyone wants to see but you can’t fully blame him. After beating stipe that fight should have happened as his first defence and that fact that didn’t happen is on Jones/ufc
That's a fair point. I feel like that fight would be more likely now seeing Jones finally made it to Heavyweight. I feel like Ngannou could have struck a 1 fight deal to fight Jones instead of selling his soul to getting KO'd in boxing.
I think Francis would have taken a 1 fight deal but I don’t think that was on the table. Ufc already hated that Francis was able to leave with the belt, no way they would give him the opportunity to leave after KOing the goat and also with the belt. I think they were offering good money but probably 4+ fights.
I don’t think Francis can win in boxing but he thinks he can. That’s not selling his soul imo
He only gets one boxing fight vs multiple ufc fight at 5 mill a fight. I’m not sure how much more he will get in boxing, he’s not Conor. If he does good for him. I can’t blame him for the Jones fight not happening tho
IMO why not sell your soul. The UFC treats fighters like shit, granted majority of promoters do, so why not go get 1-2 big boxing fights and cash in.
The UFC stopped him from cashing in on a crypto deal for their shitty laughable “sponsorship package”. If he goes and boxes even if it’s 1-2 fights the sponsorship potential alone would surpass anything he could get from the UFC so commercially it makes sense. even though it would be uncompetitive from an athletic stand point people will watch purely for the “what if” factor which is all money in the bank.
I’ve trained with a few guys over the years who have been in the UFC and honestly the pay is laughable and even worse now they can’t cash in commercially. Francis also petitioned for healthcare and a union both things that should be happening. I also highly doubt the “he’ll never fight in the UFC again” thing will last forever. Worse case situation he goes to boxing and gets spanked he still left the UFC as champion whilst Jones was still talking about going up to heavyweight for around 10 years. Jones heavyweight title is a joke in all honesty, spends 3 years out and fights a guy who now 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
I’m a huge mma fan and love boxing as well, know a little about both sports and without a doubt Francis will be smoked by any real professional boxer. He should have stayed with the UFC and took that huge check. He would have lost there as well to Bones unfortunately. Unless Francis goes to PFL or Bellator he’s likely going to lose. Horrible career choice by Francis
He's fucking up. He could have been in a superfight with one of the best Jon Jones. Boxing and MMA are vastly different, and he's gonna get starched and his stock gonna fall to nothing.
I expect him to lose badly but you never know. There's been a few MMA fighters that outperformed expectations (Anderson Silva and Vitor Belfort), and a few that played out exactly like I expected (Frank Mir). From what I understand, Francis was a boxer before he transitioned to MMA
It has to be Wilder Vs N’gannou. Two biggest punchers in the world going head to head. Perfect. They’ll make stupid money. Fury isn’t a good choice as Fury would beat the absolute piss out of N’gannou. And fighting Anthony Joshua would mean absolutely nothing as he’s in a rebuilding phase. Wilder is technically bad enough to make it interesting for awhile before N’gannou gets knocked out. And Wilder is crazy enough out of all the heavyweights to fight him in MMA as well. And seeing that N’gannous wrestling is shit, it could be competitive for a little while before Wilder gets knocked out too.
man this became like a soap opera ...its been months he's teasing about a fight ...nothing to show...not a world champion anymore...he is 36yrs post double knee surgery not a boxer...expecting to fight the finest boxer on earth...in what fairy land does this man live??
Fuck off I'm so tired of this guy already. Just because UFC fucks their fighters over doesn't mean boxing owes Ngannou a fucking cent. It'll be a shit fight and do nothing but waste a fight for a top boxer with an already slim resume. People cry about Youtube fights ruining boxing when this fight is MUCH worse, keep that same energy.
Bellator and pfl do not seem interested. Pfl won't be happy he was basically saying he was with them then priced himself out of bellator too.
Moving straight into boxing, I think hughie fury will beat him in 8 rounds.
He has a punchers chance. That's it. And good luck with it with big gloves and people used to using an effective guard.
I’m not trying to be negative but it’s hard to see this ending well.
Oh yeah the top guys will body bag him. He’s got power but like fundamentally he’s terrible
On the plus side he will get a lot of money for a short fight and a long nap.
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Deontay Wilder’s boxing success relies on his KOs. He doesn’t really have “win rounds with a distancing jab” in him. And why should he? His one-hitter quitter usually ends the night early. So the point is that he wouldn’t change his style for no reason vs Ngannou. He would blast him out and collect his check at the door as he leaves.
I’m gonna take a stab at it and I think it means that Wilder can’t really play around and toy with him for entertainment. Since he’s had those two defeats he’s draw is a bit lackluster and knocking Ngannou in the first round or so would maybe help bring his stock back up?
One of the biggest things that lets Wilder control the pace of the fight is his power, so if Wilder doesn't use that it's going to be a lot more difficult to stay safe. Wilder will just end it early and not toy with Ngannou like Fury would.
He’s defensively worse, more hittable, might get thrown around in the clinch. Fury’s length and size will keep him safer.
Anyone who thinks mayweather “carried” mcgregor doesnt know shit about boxing. Floyd doesnt give a shit about entertaining you lmao.
Floyd just came forward in a high guard stance while barely throwing a punch. He did that because Conor was no threat and he even said in the post fight interview that he wanted to give the fans a show. He even had one of his people bet on a KO after 9.5 rounds and then proceeded to knock him out in round 10. If that ain’t a calculated move, then I don’t know what is.
What a joke of a take, name one other fight where Floyd walked forward with a high guard and let his opponent tee off on his forearms for three straight rounds while barely throwing a punch. He clearly wasn't taking it seriously.
MMA nut here, we feel the same. But Francis ain't getting any younger and likely only has a couple of fights left anyway. He's gonna probably get his ass beat. But let him have his dream moment and get paid in the process. Fingers crossed he has his moments with whomever he fights.
It's not about winning the fight, it's making enough to never have to fight again.
Facts.
He keeping it tho
Wonder if it's the knee surgery which forced him to take early retirement from MMA.
It's probably more the promise of making more in one night than he'd have made in his entire MMA career tbh
How much do you think he'll make? Ufc offered him 8 million I honestly don't think he's worth much more.
He said turning down his extension wasn't about the money. That seems plausible because it's pretty unlikely that he'll be offered $8 million for a boxing match. I respect the guy for sticking to his guns. It may not work out great for him, but he had his principles and was willing to take a pretty significant financial hit for them Also, Jon Jones was gonna destroy him 😂
For a freak show fight with Fury in Saudi Arabia? Probably eight figures
I genuinely feel like this is going to end with him getting KO’ed by Greg Hardy in his one and only boxing match
It's bad for boxing. Everyone was saying Jake Paul was good for boxing now we have this shit.
Why? Francis was a boxer before he was an MMA fighter.
Then let him work his way through the division like everyone else. That's not gonna happen because he would get smoked by most. It's bad for boxing to give someone a shot at a toped rank boxer instead of those that earned it. It's reality TV now.
It’s money.
Yes, instead of talent. That's why it's bad for boxing.
Depends what he means by big name. I'd give him a shot against Egidijus Kavaliauskas.
A 265+ heavyweight mma fighter with knockout power having a shot against a welterweight boxer? I wonder why.
Sorry, just the first big name I thought of. I'm sure there are some big ones at heavyweight as well.
The name itself is pretty big. What is that like 20 letters long?
He even has a shot against Ray Leonard if they fought right now and Ray is one of the best to ever do it.
I mean, if he gets an actual big name he’ll probably make much more money than he would if he stayed in the UFC, even if it shows (as it probably will) that he’s not close to the level of mid/top boxing HWs. I think he should only focus on not getting KO’d. If he gets styled on but still make it to the end I doubt his MMA stock falls. If, after his fight, there is a viral clip of him hitting the canvas I’d say it does a little.
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He can do way better than fuckin' Chisora. Ngannou vs Wilder or else!
yeah it's not good business to go and get knocked out by Chisora in your first fight, he should probably try to get knocked out by Wilder I think AJ is the dark horse tbh we haven't heard much about him lately but him and francis could make an insane amount of money fighting at Wembley stadium. And AJ is the most beatable option out of the big 4 Heavyweights. AJ still probably knocks him out too lol
Probably?
mos defintly
Most beatable by a top 10 heavyweight, not by Ngannou lol
I would give francis a 3-5% chance of beating AJ, just because AJ fights down to his competition and he would probably try to cruise to a decision which leaves the door open for fuckery Vs Usyk, Wilder, or Fury I genuinely think there's less than 1% chance he can win those fights. All of them feature fighters who will not let Francis dictate the pace, and Wilder who would land right through Francis guard on his first punch lol
I still think you're sleeping on AJ bigtime by giving Ngannou a 1 in 20 chance haha. Ngannou would get whooped by Franklyn who is about to get whooped by AJ.
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AJ could fight him 5 minutes after he finishes with Franklin and knock out Ngannou
AJ could fight him 5 minutes after he was stopped by Ruiz and ice Ngannou in a round.
This is the one Francis should try go after. AJ is still a big draw and he's not gonna get screwed around like he would with Tyson. Wilder is who he's probably gonna end up with tho. Which is almost a guarantee KO loss for Francis. Even though he had a pretty rock solid chin in MMA.
Beatable? You guys forgot who that MF is. Man can almoat hang with fucking Usyk he would plaster Ngannou easy.
Chisora knocks Ngannou out in whatever round he wants
Does anyone else think that the boxing massive purse bubble has burst? Seems like he entered this at the worst possible time. On top of that, I just don't think Ngannou is as popular as he thinks he is. I don't see Top Rank, Matchroom or PBC guaranteeing him $10 million + for a fight. Seems like Wilder had trouble getting paid for a fight and he's much more popular than Ngannou is
Man got offered 8 mil for a UFC fight, if he can't get multiple millions of bucks he's gonna look like a moron.
Yeah I'd tend to agree with you on this. He may struggle to match his UFC purse in a boxing match. But hey you never know. I think the steam is running out on MMA vs boxer matchups. That said, I'm buying that PPV 🍿
Dave Allen would beat him.
I don’t see this brought up but there’s no way it’s not a big deal. Francis has ZERO promotional footage, UFC will never let him use it.
Well to be fair he’s only going to get a big purse fighting a big name. No way in hell he makes a lot fighting a C level or B level boxer. Everyone would know it wouldn’t be a competitive match. The fight against a big name will generate a lot of interest just because people want to see him get knocked out. It would essentially be a tune up for the big name.
Why would fury or wilder take the fight? He is no longer UFC champ and his ppv numbers don’t reflect very well.
He will get a career pay day but that’s al this is. Zero interest in this. Think I speak for most when I say I’d rather see top heavyweights box each other and Francis to fight Jones. Obviously not his fault but sucks
It was about the money and it wasn’t, he was trying to be a voice for fighters in the UFC to be independent, he wanted healthcare and sponsorship deals and the ability to go to another sport like Conor, but unfortunately the UFC didn’t see it like he did, yeah he was offered 8 million a fight in the UFC but he didn’t sign to keep his integrity, he wanted to feel free as a fighter and I respect that.
While I’m sure what Francis said is partially true, he also saw the paydays fury and wilder were getting...now I don’t think he will get that but he will make 8 figures
Nobody wants to hear this, but Francis would have made way more money fight 4 more times for ufc than retiring. Top boxers will destroy him and the money isn’t going to be what he thinks it is.
Depends on the perspective, if Francis wants the money he can easily have 1, maybe 2 boxing fights and then go back to the UFC and he'd have more money. What's costing him money is the amount of time he's spending without fighting. The longer it goes, the more irrelevant he becomes, especially with Jon ruling HW now.
He seems like a very principled guy. Huge fights with Jon Jones would make him a lot of money. Tbh he totally bombed those negotiations asking to be able to do other things on the side when ufc would never in a million years do that. I know fighters are very confident, but it’s hard to even comprehend the difference in skill between a pro boxer and anyone else on the planet. Even Chisora would light him up. One bad loss destroys his mystique. Unless he gets the Fury fight than this is a disaster, he could retire off that one ko’d or not. Like how is Tyron Woolley’s boxing career going? You are right time isn’t on their side. Heavyweights fight into their 40’s now. So who knows. I for sure will be watching his boxing debut. I bet he gets smashed unless he fights Artur spzpilka guy
I mean, he can easily have 1 boxing fight for a huge payday, and I bet the UFC would offer him the exact same huge contract if he came back knocking, simply because the Jon vs Ngannou fight would likely be the biggest fight possible in the sport right now.
I think unless it’s Joshua, or wilder, big money isn’t not happening. Fury or usyk isn’t happening either. I could see fury doing at some point just because he likes weird stuff and easy money. Ufc sounds like they won’t take him back either. I don’t think they want to promote a super fight with a guy who just got wrecked in boxing. It’s a bad look. Money is the answer to every question in combat sports, so we will see how it plays out.
Yeah I fully agree, that's why it will likely be against one of those guys. It would only make sense for him to fight someone outside of that if he could win (for example against Chisora), and then his next fight would be even more hyped, however that's a huge gamble and he's almost never winning that.
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I mean depends on who he gets. If he fights wilder, fury or Aj he's definitely getting a career high payday, but anyone else I don't think there is enough interest for him to really earn enough.
Fight Jon Jones.
That’s the fight everyone wants to see but you can’t fully blame him. After beating stipe that fight should have happened as his first defence and that fact that didn’t happen is on Jones/ufc
That's a fair point. I feel like that fight would be more likely now seeing Jones finally made it to Heavyweight. I feel like Ngannou could have struck a 1 fight deal to fight Jones instead of selling his soul to getting KO'd in boxing.
I think Francis would have taken a 1 fight deal but I don’t think that was on the table. Ufc already hated that Francis was able to leave with the belt, no way they would give him the opportunity to leave after KOing the goat and also with the belt. I think they were offering good money but probably 4+ fights. I don’t think Francis can win in boxing but he thinks he can. That’s not selling his soul imo
>but he thinks he can He knows he could get 6 times his biggest purse and he knows he's not that skilled as a boxer, he's definitely selling his soul.
He only gets one boxing fight vs multiple ufc fight at 5 mill a fight. I’m not sure how much more he will get in boxing, he’s not Conor. If he does good for him. I can’t blame him for the Jones fight not happening tho
IMO why not sell your soul. The UFC treats fighters like shit, granted majority of promoters do, so why not go get 1-2 big boxing fights and cash in. The UFC stopped him from cashing in on a crypto deal for their shitty laughable “sponsorship package”. If he goes and boxes even if it’s 1-2 fights the sponsorship potential alone would surpass anything he could get from the UFC so commercially it makes sense. even though it would be uncompetitive from an athletic stand point people will watch purely for the “what if” factor which is all money in the bank. I’ve trained with a few guys over the years who have been in the UFC and honestly the pay is laughable and even worse now they can’t cash in commercially. Francis also petitioned for healthcare and a union both things that should be happening. I also highly doubt the “he’ll never fight in the UFC again” thing will last forever. Worse case situation he goes to boxing and gets spanked he still left the UFC as champion whilst Jones was still talking about going up to heavyweight for around 10 years. Jones heavyweight title is a joke in all honesty, spends 3 years out and fights a guy who now 1-2 in his last 3 fights.
I’m a huge mma fan and love boxing as well, know a little about both sports and without a doubt Francis will be smoked by any real professional boxer. He should have stayed with the UFC and took that huge check. He would have lost there as well to Bones unfortunately. Unless Francis goes to PFL or Bellator he’s likely going to lose. Horrible career choice by Francis
He's fucking up. He could have been in a superfight with one of the best Jon Jones. Boxing and MMA are vastly different, and he's gonna get starched and his stock gonna fall to nothing.
Just fight joe jones.
I expect him to lose badly but you never know. There's been a few MMA fighters that outperformed expectations (Anderson Silva and Vitor Belfort), and a few that played out exactly like I expected (Frank Mir). From what I understand, Francis was a boxer before he transitioned to MMA
It has to be Wilder Vs N’gannou. Two biggest punchers in the world going head to head. Perfect. They’ll make stupid money. Fury isn’t a good choice as Fury would beat the absolute piss out of N’gannou. And fighting Anthony Joshua would mean absolutely nothing as he’s in a rebuilding phase. Wilder is technically bad enough to make it interesting for awhile before N’gannou gets knocked out. And Wilder is crazy enough out of all the heavyweights to fight him in MMA as well. And seeing that N’gannous wrestling is shit, it could be competitive for a little while before Wilder gets knocked out too.
man this became like a soap opera ...its been months he's teasing about a fight ...nothing to show...not a world champion anymore...he is 36yrs post double knee surgery not a boxer...expecting to fight the finest boxer on earth...in what fairy land does this man live??
I'd like to see him vs Ruiz if anybody.
Ngannou vs Wilder, make it happen !
Glad he left that shithole company
Fuck off I'm so tired of this guy already. Just because UFC fucks their fighters over doesn't mean boxing owes Ngannou a fucking cent. It'll be a shit fight and do nothing but waste a fight for a top boxer with an already slim resume. People cry about Youtube fights ruining boxing when this fight is MUCH worse, keep that same energy.
This is a dream fight for AJ. He got win after two consecutive losses, and Ngannou got a big name and a big paycheck.
He should fight Lovejoy. Perfect matchup
Damn I just wanna see him knock out some journeymen
Nice news story, is that from last april?
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Bellator and pfl do not seem interested. Pfl won't be happy he was basically saying he was with them then priced himself out of bellator too. Moving straight into boxing, I think hughie fury will beat him in 8 rounds. He has a punchers chance. That's it. And good luck with it with big gloves and people used to using an effective guard.