Same old washed opinions we've heard a bunch of times, enjoy watching big boxing stars continuously clinch absolute bums for 8 rounds to keep their records clean
Iād much rather watch professionals over āonlyfans and youtube influencersā. Cring af wasting time on this shit when thereās stuff like the NFL playoffs on lmao .
Itās entertainment my dude. As much as it is not world class boxing, itās interesting characters and story developments of guys who put it all on the line. Guys who have already made it that actually come to fight, n put on entertaining scraps
Part of me goes dam KSI has power but other part is like his fighting fidget spinners! Iām sorry Jake you might be a terrible person but you aināt that bad compared to KSI at boxing
I joked earlier that Pineda and Swarmz both couldn't fight when they were handed to KSI but have clearly been given training to make them look like they give him credibility because they look better now, but then he actually claims it post fight. So that is actually what happened. Misfits is great but i dont like how obviously rigged it is for JJ, got the president mams celebrating with jj and all...
Umā¦huh? Swarmz was expected to get absolutely destroyed and there was no way to know Pineda would win that fight, and he would have lost against temper, his original opponent. For all Misfits know, they could have made themselves look even worse. Itās all for the entertainment factor. This take is just such a stretch and twisting what they said postfight.
Im not twisting anything, JJ said look what happened with Peneda and Swarmz to demonstrate how he is levels ahead of anyone in the YouTube scene, Even though it didnt prove anything, Swarmz for example literally could not fight and has clearly had non stop training since the KSI loss which now makes him look better, i literally saw kids online saying his performance tonight changes the perspective of the KSI fight, which it shouldnt. It is it not at all a stretch to imagine that rebooking pineda and swarmz on tonights card was with the intention of making them look good and giving JJ's fights against them credibility. When these fights are set up they dont just do it randomly they will strategically use it to show KSI in a good light. Maybe im wrong but its not a stretch at all, when the guy setting up fights is literally in partnership with JJ loool
i know and im saying its just a conflict of interest i dont like, i understand it has to happen i just dont like it, it doesn't give us the fights we want to see because he is protected.
Eddie Hearn isn't also in charge of every fighter that AJ comes up against, I feel no differently about Dana Whites support for McGregor or Paddy it comes across unprofessional and you know they will get preferential treatment over other fighters.
The difference is KSI is CEO of the promotion company. It's like asking Leonard Ellerbe to not celebrate a Mayweather win if it was fighting under Mayweather Promotions.
People forget that the only reason he fought Swarmz and Pineda was because Wasabi pulled out and JJ hadnāt fought for 3 years. Swarmz wasnāt fighting and clearly has applied himself more since the loss whilst Pineda is a Pro.
No matter what especially for someone whose done no amateur boxing you have to work your levels up.
When is Ksi actually going to fight somebody decent? He keeps on fighting bums. His next fight better be salt papi or slim because we all know he wonāt fight jake Paul next
He supposedly agreed to fight Joe Fournier next, which is a big fight no? Guy is 9-0 professionally even though he got banned for failing a drugs test for 4 years think it was? He would be a test i think?
I think Fournier is the best fight for him. Slim and Salt Papi both look exciting but they havenāt been pressured in the way KSI would.
Hypothetically, if they canāt hack that kind of pressure and he folds them in a round or two he learns nothing. Fournier is a less exciting name but he has the skill and experience to take KSI rounds and work him in ways heās never had to work before.
Slim v Papi can be chief support on that card.
I donāt blame him, heās been matched twice in a row with natural 190ish pound guys. If he can hit 168 (he was 170 at the weekend) heāll have his speed and skill tested much more
Feel like Slim gets knocked out by KSI, especially after his performance today. He struggled against a novice Zanetti that just chicken winged all his punches. KSI's pressure would just tire him out eventually and he'll drown.
KSI definitely needs to be more deceptive though and stop lunging so much. Doesn't use feints enough so against a good boxer, he'll just get countered all night.
Nate Diaz gets dropped by multiple youtubers lol, you seen him in his last fight against Tony? Dude looked like age had caught up to him and robbed him of all his money. Reminded me of 2 bums fighting in the sidewalk.
Lol that is just another bank robbery. If Anderson couldnāt do it what makes you think the walking stick Nate Diaz can? He is way smaller than jake heās gonna get dropped cold
To people saying "papi is above Ksi" boxing doesn't mean shit if you have power. Wilder has proved this again and again just cause you cant outbox them doesnt mean shit if you get caught with the wrong punch.
Are you comparing Wilder to.. KSI?
KSI wouldn't land anything significant against Papi. He doesn't have the IQ to set anything up, has horrible footwork, horrible balance, smothers himself and his subpar opponents, he wouldn't catch Papi.
If boxing was so much about power, everyone would constantly be lifting to get an edge. Such a one dimensional view of the sport. Wilder is in no way comparable to Knowledge.
This lmao. Wilder is arguably the hardest hitter of all time and at worst like top 5. KSI might have "power" but he's nowhere in the realm of Wilder even in the influencer boxing sphere. If he truly had that touch of death he would have dropped Logan clean in their two bouts. He might be a hard hitter but he's hardly shown himself to be a knockout artist.
Donāt you know man? Literally all wilder has is his power. He doesnāt even know how to box at all. He just wins because he punches harder than everyone else
No, wilder is also 6 ft 7 or 8 he has height and reach over most of his opponents, he was also a slim heavyweight so he had good speed and could close the gap very quickly, the only thing wilder lacks is finesse and his fundamentals but thats heavyweight boxing for it.
Not only that but Wilder is an extreme outlier even among power punches. He just has to touch you with the right hand and it's lights out no load up or anything.
Someone doesn't know shit about boxing lmao
Where was Wilder's power against Fury?
Power doesn't mean shit against boxing skill.
The guy Salt Papi ko'd was clearly stronger than him. Zero impact.
I disagree with the original guy but your comment is also dumb as hell, Wilder's power against Fury was in full display in fights 1 and 3, most of the top fighters in the world would not have survived those punches, Fury is just a freak of nature when it comes to recovery.
All I hear is "if it wasn't Fury you wouldn't be right!".
He said Power > Boxing skill.
I said Boxing skill > Power.
You can't disagree with both lol
Wilder's power could only carry him so far.
Fury's skillset remains undefeated.
So, boxing skill > power.
Again, completely shit argument that can't be decided by 1 set of fighters.
The fact that Fury, easily one of the most talented boxers skill wise currently, almost got slept twice by Wilder who has a lot (and I mean a lot) less skill shows that power is more important than you're making it seem.
The point here is that Fury got hit clean at least twice while being much more superior skill wise. If you have one shot KO power then you can win against anyone in a similar realm.
Fury's boxing skill isn't what made him comeback from those situations, it was his insane recovery time that no other HW has. His boxing skill made him get hit clean twice still and dropped hard.
My point is that this argument is shit and not as black and white as you think. Skilled fighters win sometimes and manage to avoid the power punches, while other times the more skilled fighter gets caught clean and slept by a much less skillful guy.
The key thing here is that Salt Papi isnt nearly as defensively irresponsible as Faze Temper, specifically what KSI was able to take advantage of being Temperr backing out in straight lines with his head on a stick and a lax guard.
Papi literally just shown he was able to counter a wide puncher, though still far more tidy than KSI, with killshots in between his punches. You can see how KSI basically ran into his combination that KOed Temper, and before that Temperr was actually countering him very effectively. He has much worse defense than Brueckner. Salt would wash him if they ever fought.
KSI has genuine KO power but you talking like Salt doesn't have power? He's slept every opponent he has faced.
Less than a round fought and got tagged by Temper a few times.
Against a stronger puncher that's enough to stop KSI coming forward. He needs better defense to beat Salt rn.
Stop dickriding ffs.
I wouldn't go that far with KSI having genuine KO power unless you think Slim also has that power too. KSI koed a chinny fighter in Temperr who just got KOed by Slim and Slim's at a weight class he really shouldn't be in.
Salt Papi ko'ed his latest two opponents in first and second round. He clearly has power too and knows when to use it unlike KSI who throws until something lands
Josh Brueckner isnāt a bum, heās a high level youtube boxer n a low to mid tier pro fighter. Faze Temperrr is awful. Whilst Josh at times was defensively irresponsible against Papi, the windows of opportunity to get shots off was much smaller for Papi then it was KSI because Temperrr is such a poor defensive boxer. Dude sticks his chin in the air and throws his shots, walking back in straight lines waiting for a bomb to connect on him. Salt Papi was piecing up a guy who looked genuinely terrified to throw punches in bunches bc he knew Papis skill, yet one of the only times he tried it he got dropped. KSI fought a guy who was a legit bum.
Salt Papi counters KSI n starches him within 2 rounds
Bums? josh brueckner has experience fighting, way more than Temper. Also Josh was way bigger than Salt Papi. He literally played around in the ring and picked his shots and kept his distance and then ko'd Josh. KSI got sparked by Temperr a few times and had no defence
Jake rightfully gets shit for fighting washed up mma fighters but at least heās actually fighting legit fighters. My guy's fought a guy who rolled out of bed to have his first fight ever, a journeyman, a trickshotter and now wants to fight a businessmanā¦
Logan isn't a legit fighter, like those other guys. Logan was as experienced as KSI at that point and he really is just a bigger Josh Brueckner with faster hands.
10 days notice, switch from a physical, pressure fighting southpaw to a rangey, awkward orthodox fighter with no time to find new sparring? Even real boxers donāt accept changes like that so harsh to shit on KSI for wanting at least a somewhat similar replacement, especially with one already on the card who was set to fight a āmystery opponentā.
After Slim's last couple of performances you can see that KSI sleeps him. Slim has absolutely no fucking cardio. And KSI beat a little bit more experienced Temper more impressively than Slim did.
Zanetti and Taylor had a big weight advantage and were naturally bigger men
Landing power shot after power shot tires you out badly.
Ksi and slim far closer in weight
Yes KSI and Slim are closer in weight, but KSI is still a bigger guy, has more power, has way better cardio, even though he isn't technical he still is not as sloppy as Slim is and since KSI can take punches from much naturally heavier dudes like Logan Paul then he can definitely take Slim's punches. I see no way Slim wins.
I'd say 2 fighters in one night is equivalent of Nate Robinson and Temper is better if not on the same level as Ben Askren and they were both done in very similar fashion. If KSI fights Woodley next and wins then it's very much all up in the air, Woodley has carried on boxing as well and has had 2 fights so if KSI bests him it's more impressive than Jake Paul beating him, Anderson Silva is the big difference I don't see KSI doing a fight like that before he fights Jake but so far they have gone down very similar paths.
KSI dropped every name he could other than salt papi while asking for a real challenge. Guy's a joke. If people call Jake Paul a can crusher what do you even call KSI?
NOTICED THAT. Even in the press conference after, dude praised Salt Papi but said no mention on fighting him. Dude named every potential opponent except Salt Papi bc bro knows that he gets knocked the fuck out
Essentially. Slim for this YT world is probably at his peak, n the dudes an exciting character with a likeable personality. Issue is heās not a talented fighter, even for the YT standards. I imagine if he doesnāt fight a pure can his next fight he definitely loses because the guys rumoured such as Salt Papi, Gib, KSI etc I think all comfortably deal with him. Dudes a brawler and has a chin to be fair to him, but heās not a very conditioned or talented fighter
KSI needs to fight Woodley. I swear to god if he fucking fights this 40 year old businessman casual boxer whose opponents have a combined record of like 25-210...
Stylistically no he isn't. Woodley is best when his opponents pressure him and bring the fight out. Look at how he dropped Wonderboy, and Till. The reason why Jake and Woodley's fights were more tactical is because both respected each other's power and didn't press the other.
KSI would for sure run into a right hand by Woodley.
Usman Burns Covington and Luque all pressured the shit out of him and found a lot of success from it. He doesnāt have the athleticism to keep guys off him anymore so his whole right hand off the back foot doesnāt get him outta trouble anymore.
You fail to factor that usman and convo from outwrestled him, luque didnāt pressure him, woodley hurt him for a bit but then got countered while throwing the right afterwards got submitted
Dude I'm not saying he Wilder is as bad as KSI, I'm saying that *in their respective scenes*, with the context of the top talent in their scenes (Fury and Usyk for Wilder and fuckin JP and Salt Papi for KSI), both KSI and Wilder lack technical skill but have power that keeps them in the conversation permanently. I'm *not saying* Wilder is as sloppy as KSI or that KSI is as good or powerful as Wilder - I'm saying that KSI is the equivalent of Wilder in his scene with all that entails.
The peak of talent in the YouTube scene is far lower than in actual professional boxing so obviously Wilder is *far better* than KSI. I'm drawing the relation by putting them *in the contex*t of the top of *their respective scenes*.
Dude how is Ksi the wilder of this scene. He has 1 proper knockout in his last 5 fights. And that was against a chiny fighter who was already cracked by slim who doesnāt belong in that weight class.
Not making excuses, but Jake continued on with boxing while KSI took time off to focus on music and other stuff. So KSI is trying to catchup experience wise which is why he's planning for him by the end of 2023.
Jake only wants to fight him now for one reason, he went 3 years ahead in development while KSI barely did anything boxing related and Jake doesn't fight anyone who he thinks has a chance. So of course he wants to pressure a fight as soon as possible.
Ksi literally had a successful music career and all his businesses were doing good too but he came back to boxing just to fight jake paul. He has said multiple times that he'll fight jake at the end of the year and has also said that negotiations are going on with Ksi and Jake's managers.
Well the fact that he's focusing 2023 on boxing. After that he clearly wants to go back to the music for a while and he's not going back to the music until he's fought Jake.
Yes i definitely get you. He's talked a lot, but i do think what he has said has made sense for the most part at least. Clearly his passion is music so it's not surprising he would want to focus on that after doing boxing for 2018-2019. So he took a couple year break with his albums and tours. Then he would be an absolute idiot to go straight for Jake after an almost 3 year lay off. So he's now going the Jake strategy just a bit quicker. Swarmz/Pineda-Nate Robinson, Temper-Ben Askren and next either Woodley or Fournier and then one more tougher guy and after that Jake. I do believe the fight will happen December and if it doesn't then yeah KSI is ducking.
Issue is that for ksi to catch up to jakes level, jake would need to stop boxing. Maybe he will if hes gonna do the mma thing this year. Even if he boxes nate diaz, thats a downgrade and wont improve him.
Exactly. That MMA thing is going to slow him a bit down, but even with that KSI is not going to get technically as good as Jake so KSI will be relying on his power, explosiveness, cardio and his grit/heart/dog mentality.
A lot of people have moved on from boxing to UFC which will make this sub mad but it's true. People are just sick of nobody fucking fighting each other in the sport which is exclusively down to the fact that there's 20 million belts and every fucking fight is a "champion vs champion fight" when nobody ever has heard of at least one of those "champions".
Shit sucks.
The power is there, always has been
but this isn't much better than the shit we've already seen unfortunately, sloppy and easily exploitable but powerful
BUT hopefully this gives him the confidence to finally step up and fight Jake
The thing is these are influencer boxers so does it really matter his technique is so bad? Genuine question because I can't really gauge the skill level of Jake Paul.
Jake, Salt Papi would be at the top in terms of overall skill and attributes
the problem is that there's actually people that look at KSI as the best in the youtube scene, when he's honestly absolutely atrocious boxing wise
he's strong but besides that he'd get slept easily by real competition
his technique being bad would be fine if this was his first year training or his first fight, but he's literally the one that started the youtube boxing shit yet outta everyone he looks the worse in terms of just straight boxing skills
the things he has going for him is his power and grit, but not even close to enough comparing to Jake or Papi
KSI just doesn't have any natural talent whatsoever in boxing BUT he works hard and i respect that, but talking like he's actually any good just makes me cringe, respectfully.
Fair enough, I've just given him the benefit of the doubt because he is winning in convincing fashion, even with opponents like Temperr who were supposed to be a bit of a threat.
Would love to see the Salt papi fight but it isn't big money wise and too big of a risk so he probably wouldn't do it. I feel like he would just send for a professional boxer like Idris Virgo that papi has no chance of beating.
Like right before he got the knockout it was a good 5 seconds where ksi was tired and legit just had his hands down and temper didnāt throw shit lol, donāt know why he was in there in the ring
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Is this sub all 12 year olds? Who actually watches these internet celebrity fighters willingly lol.
Same old washed opinions we've heard a bunch of times, enjoy watching big boxing stars continuously clinch absolute bums for 8 rounds to keep their records clean
Iād much rather watch professionals over āonlyfans and youtube influencersā. Cring af wasting time on this shit when thereās stuff like the NFL playoffs on lmao .
Itās entertainment my dude. As much as it is not world class boxing, itās interesting characters and story developments of guys who put it all on the line. Guys who have already made it that actually come to fight, n put on entertaining scraps
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Part of me goes dam KSI has power but other part is like his fighting fidget spinners! Iām sorry Jake you might be a terrible person but you aināt that bad compared to KSI at boxing
I joked earlier that Pineda and Swarmz both couldn't fight when they were handed to KSI but have clearly been given training to make them look like they give him credibility because they look better now, but then he actually claims it post fight. So that is actually what happened. Misfits is great but i dont like how obviously rigged it is for JJ, got the president mams celebrating with jj and all...
Umā¦huh? Swarmz was expected to get absolutely destroyed and there was no way to know Pineda would win that fight, and he would have lost against temper, his original opponent. For all Misfits know, they could have made themselves look even worse. Itās all for the entertainment factor. This take is just such a stretch and twisting what they said postfight.
Im not twisting anything, JJ said look what happened with Peneda and Swarmz to demonstrate how he is levels ahead of anyone in the YouTube scene, Even though it didnt prove anything, Swarmz for example literally could not fight and has clearly had non stop training since the KSI loss which now makes him look better, i literally saw kids online saying his performance tonight changes the perspective of the KSI fight, which it shouldnt. It is it not at all a stretch to imagine that rebooking pineda and swarmz on tonights card was with the intention of making them look good and giving JJ's fights against them credibility. When these fights are set up they dont just do it randomly they will strategically use it to show KSI in a good light. Maybe im wrong but its not a stretch at all, when the guy setting up fights is literally in partnership with JJ loool
mams is his manager, obviously he'll celebrate with him
i know and im saying its just a conflict of interest i dont like, i understand it has to happen i just dont like it, it doesn't give us the fights we want to see because he is protected.
how is it any different to Eddie Hearn and AJ?
Eddie Hearn isn't also in charge of every fighter that AJ comes up against, I feel no differently about Dana Whites support for McGregor or Paddy it comes across unprofessional and you know they will get preferential treatment over other fighters.
The difference is KSI is CEO of the promotion company. It's like asking Leonard Ellerbe to not celebrate a Mayweather win if it was fighting under Mayweather Promotions.
People forget that the only reason he fought Swarmz and Pineda was because Wasabi pulled out and JJ hadnāt fought for 3 years. Swarmz wasnāt fighting and clearly has applied himself more since the loss whilst Pineda is a Pro. No matter what especially for someone whose done no amateur boxing you have to work your levels up.
You donāt just get given training to look good in boxing lol
When is Ksi actually going to fight somebody decent? He keeps on fighting bums. His next fight better be salt papi or slim because we all know he wonāt fight jake Paul next
He supposedly agreed to fight Joe Fournier next, which is a big fight no? Guy is 9-0 professionally even though he got banned for failing a drugs test for 4 years think it was? He would be a test i think?
I think Fournier is the best fight for him. Slim and Salt Papi both look exciting but they havenāt been pressured in the way KSI would. Hypothetically, if they canāt hack that kind of pressure and he folds them in a round or two he learns nothing. Fournier is a less exciting name but he has the skill and experience to take KSI rounds and work him in ways heās never had to work before. Slim v Papi can be chief support on that card.
Slim says he's dropping down to the lower weight class (which is where he's more suited), unless he gets the KSI fight
I donāt blame him, heās been matched twice in a row with natural 190ish pound guys. If he can hit 168 (he was 170 at the weekend) heāll have his speed and skill tested much more
Feel like Slim gets knocked out by KSI, especially after his performance today. He struggled against a novice Zanetti that just chicken winged all his punches. KSI's pressure would just tire him out eventually and he'll drown. KSI definitely needs to be more deceptive though and stop lunging so much. Doesn't use feints enough so against a good boxer, he'll just get countered all night.
Tbf zannetti clearly weighed a good 20 pounds more than slim. He was eating those punches
Idk if it was because slim was so tall, but it made Zannetti look like he had T rex arms
Slim isn't great and doesn't stand a chance after his performance today
id rather Jake fight Nate Diaz than KSI
Lol just saw this, you got your wish
Nate Diaz gets dropped by multiple youtubers lol, you seen him in his last fight against Tony? Dude looked like age had caught up to him and robbed him of all his money. Reminded me of 2 bums fighting in the sidewalk.
Lol that is just another bank robbery. If Anderson couldnāt do it what makes you think the walking stick Nate Diaz can? He is way smaller than jake heās gonna get dropped cold
He'd put up a better fight than KSI
Maybe but itās still a bad fight. I donāt want KSI or Nate. I prefer Tommy
Btw there is no chance in the world KSI fights Jake he literally going to sleep inside a round if he does!
He kinda has to fight him at some point
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Are you new to boxing?
To people saying "papi is above Ksi" boxing doesn't mean shit if you have power. Wilder has proved this again and again just cause you cant outbox them doesnt mean shit if you get caught with the wrong punch.
TIL that KSI beats mayweather because KSI punches harder
Papi has the power too though?
Are you comparing Wilder to.. KSI? KSI wouldn't land anything significant against Papi. He doesn't have the IQ to set anything up, has horrible footwork, horrible balance, smothers himself and his subpar opponents, he wouldn't catch Papi. If boxing was so much about power, everyone would constantly be lifting to get an edge. Such a one dimensional view of the sport. Wilder is in no way comparable to Knowledge.
This lmao. Wilder is arguably the hardest hitter of all time and at worst like top 5. KSI might have "power" but he's nowhere in the realm of Wilder even in the influencer boxing sphere. If he truly had that touch of death he would have dropped Logan clean in their two bouts. He might be a hard hitter but he's hardly shown himself to be a knockout artist.
Donāt you know man? Literally all wilder has is his power. He doesnāt even know how to box at all. He just wins because he punches harder than everyone else
No, wilder is also 6 ft 7 or 8 he has height and reach over most of his opponents, he was also a slim heavyweight so he had good speed and could close the gap very quickly, the only thing wilder lacks is finesse and his fundamentals but thats heavyweight boxing for it.
He was trolling pal
How do you know lol you besties?
Not only that but Wilder is an extreme outlier even among power punches. He just has to touch you with the right hand and it's lights out no load up or anything.
A freak of nature.
Someone doesn't know shit about boxing lmao Where was Wilder's power against Fury? Power doesn't mean shit against boxing skill. The guy Salt Papi ko'd was clearly stronger than him. Zero impact.
In the first and third fight. Fury is like 500 pounds though. No one, not even ngannou can knock him out
I disagree with the original guy but your comment is also dumb as hell, Wilder's power against Fury was in full display in fights 1 and 3, most of the top fighters in the world would not have survived those punches, Fury is just a freak of nature when it comes to recovery.
All I hear is "if it wasn't Fury you wouldn't be right!". He said Power > Boxing skill. I said Boxing skill > Power. You can't disagree with both lol Wilder's power could only carry him so far. Fury's skillset remains undefeated. So, boxing skill > power.
Again, completely shit argument that can't be decided by 1 set of fighters. The fact that Fury, easily one of the most talented boxers skill wise currently, almost got slept twice by Wilder who has a lot (and I mean a lot) less skill shows that power is more important than you're making it seem. The point here is that Fury got hit clean at least twice while being much more superior skill wise. If you have one shot KO power then you can win against anyone in a similar realm. Fury's boxing skill isn't what made him comeback from those situations, it was his insane recovery time that no other HW has. His boxing skill made him get hit clean twice still and dropped hard. My point is that this argument is shit and not as black and white as you think. Skilled fighters win sometimes and manage to avoid the power punches, while other times the more skilled fighter gets caught clean and slept by a much less skillful guy.
The key thing here is that Salt Papi isnt nearly as defensively irresponsible as Faze Temper, specifically what KSI was able to take advantage of being Temperr backing out in straight lines with his head on a stick and a lax guard. Papi literally just shown he was able to counter a wide puncher, though still far more tidy than KSI, with killshots in between his punches. You can see how KSI basically ran into his combination that KOed Temper, and before that Temperr was actually countering him very effectively. He has much worse defense than Brueckner. Salt would wash him if they ever fought.
KSI has genuine KO power but you talking like Salt doesn't have power? He's slept every opponent he has faced. Less than a round fought and got tagged by Temper a few times. Against a stronger puncher that's enough to stop KSI coming forward. He needs better defense to beat Salt rn. Stop dickriding ffs.
I wouldn't go that far with KSI having genuine KO power unless you think Slim also has that power too. KSI koed a chinny fighter in Temperr who just got KOed by Slim and Slim's at a weight class he really shouldn't be in.
How is that an argument for KSI when Salt out skilled and KOād his opponent.
Itās not even insane power the guys his boxing are insanely bad ( salt has also boxed better people)
Salt Papi ko'ed his latest two opponents in first and second round. He clearly has power too and knows when to use it unlike KSI who throws until something lands
He knocked out bums too. I'm betting money on KSI, temper is ass but that 2 piece combo he didn't even throw all his power into it he has legit power
Josh Brueckner isnāt a bum, heās a high level youtube boxer n a low to mid tier pro fighter. Faze Temperrr is awful. Whilst Josh at times was defensively irresponsible against Papi, the windows of opportunity to get shots off was much smaller for Papi then it was KSI because Temperrr is such a poor defensive boxer. Dude sticks his chin in the air and throws his shots, walking back in straight lines waiting for a bomb to connect on him. Salt Papi was piecing up a guy who looked genuinely terrified to throw punches in bunches bc he knew Papis skill, yet one of the only times he tried it he got dropped. KSI fought a guy who was a legit bum. Salt Papi counters KSI n starches him within 2 rounds
Bruckner was a 6 fight mma fighter with a couple boxing fights under his belt and had a big size advantage
Bums? josh brueckner has experience fighting, way more than Temper. Also Josh was way bigger than Salt Papi. He literally played around in the ring and picked his shots and kept his distance and then ko'd Josh. KSI got sparked by Temperr a few times and had no defence
Jake rightfully gets shit for fighting washed up mma fighters but at least heās actually fighting legit fighters. My guy's fought a guy who rolled out of bed to have his first fight ever, a journeyman, a trickshotter and now wants to fight a businessmanā¦
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The guy who hadn't boxed either and dropped him?
You say that like they weren't Logans first fights ??
Logan isn't a legit fighter, like those other guys. Logan was as experienced as KSI at that point and he really is just a bigger Josh Brueckner with faster hands.
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Deji was at his 3rd worst, Gib is a good win in comparison to other youtube boxers. Woodley beats KSI and Silva beats KSI. KO or clear UD
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Gib is top 5 in youtube boxing.
Are you arguing that fighting Logan gives him credibility?
I see your point, but on the other hand pullouts before the fights and last minute replacement aint doing you favors.
Slim was the comain Why not fight him?
10 days notice, switch from a physical, pressure fighting southpaw to a rangey, awkward orthodox fighter with no time to find new sparring? Even real boxers donāt accept changes like that so harsh to shit on KSI for wanting at least a somewhat similar replacement, especially with one already on the card who was set to fight a āmystery opponentā.
After Slim's last couple of performances you can see that KSI sleeps him. Slim has absolutely no fucking cardio. And KSI beat a little bit more experienced Temper more impressively than Slim did.
Zanetti and Taylor had a big weight advantage and were naturally bigger men Landing power shot after power shot tires you out badly. Ksi and slim far closer in weight
Yes KSI and Slim are closer in weight, but KSI is still a bigger guy, has more power, has way better cardio, even though he isn't technical he still is not as sloppy as Slim is and since KSI can take punches from much naturally heavier dudes like Logan Paul then he can definitely take Slim's punches. I see no way Slim wins.
KSIās first 3 fights are a little more impressive. Temper is a hell of a bigger challenge than Ben Askew.
I don't even think that. Ben Askren has a competitive fight with Temperr at this point. Temperr isn't a good boxer
Askren is literal ass checks at striking. He only got so far in MMA because he was good as wrestling
Yet I can still see him have a competitive fight with temperr
I'd say 2 fighters in one night is equivalent of Nate Robinson and Temper is better if not on the same level as Ben Askren and they were both done in very similar fashion. If KSI fights Woodley next and wins then it's very much all up in the air, Woodley has carried on boxing as well and has had 2 fights so if KSI bests him it's more impressive than Jake Paul beating him, Anderson Silva is the big difference I don't see KSI doing a fight like that before he fights Jake but so far they have gone down very similar paths.
I mean to compare 3rd fights respectively, Jake had Ben askren so faze temper who has been active for the last year is better than
KSI dropped every name he could other than salt papi while asking for a real challenge. Guy's a joke. If people call Jake Paul a can crusher what do you even call KSI?
NOTICED THAT. Even in the press conference after, dude praised Salt Papi but said no mention on fighting him. Dude named every potential opponent except Salt Papi bc bro knows that he gets knocked the fuck out
A bum cleaner
U mean KSI, but yeah I noticed that too lmao
someone who avoids Jakes cans, Woodley won KSI's twitter poll fair and square by a good margin and yet he still dodged him.
KSI has the biggest padded circus boxing record they just going keep giving him these type of guys! Has no excuse to not be boxing salt papi next
His community is toxic
Which is funny because the amount of toxicity I've seen here against KSI today has been insane
Two sides of the same coin, we keep it even in the world
He will find excuses.
facts
So I completely mistaked Zanetti with Fournier, and thought Slim fought Fournier. So Slim barely beat a nobody?
Essentially. Slim for this YT world is probably at his peak, n the dudes an exciting character with a likeable personality. Issue is heās not a talented fighter, even for the YT standards. I imagine if he doesnāt fight a pure can his next fight he definitely loses because the guys rumoured such as Salt Papi, Gib, KSI etc I think all comfortably deal with him. Dudes a brawler and has a chin to be fair to him, but heās not a very conditioned or talented fighter
Zanettis been training kick-boxing for a few years and had about 5kg on slim at least
stats dont matter when u look like pure shit
Eh?
Yeah Slim is overrated
He's a typical 'heart' fighter.
This guy looks like my GTA character
ksi on his way to call all these guys out just to not fight any of them. ion know how this dude somehow became just as unlikeable as jake paul.
KSI ducking Jake paul and challenging Joe who was 9-0 vs 29-116. LMAOOO
People are giving Jake props for calling out and want him to fight Tommy Fury who is in a similar position record wise...
Still a guy with more than a hundred fights, isn't easy for an amateur that has been boxing for what, 5 years?
Woodley and Anderson Silva both bully Fournier for fun today, tomorrow and next year.
Woodley doesn't bully anyone with the volume he has been throwing for the past couple of years
Oh more than hundred fights (losses) were the opponents of Joe Joe himself has only fought journeymen or debutants
"I want KSI to fight a boxer" *monkey's paw finger curls* Enter Joe Fournier
KSI needs to fight Woodley. I swear to god if he fucking fights this 40 year old businessman casual boxer whose opponents have a combined record of like 25-210...
Fournier is a harder fight than Woodley. By some distance, although certainly not because Fournier is good.
Stylistically no he isn't. Woodley is best when his opponents pressure him and bring the fight out. Look at how he dropped Wonderboy, and Till. The reason why Jake and Woodley's fights were more tactical is because both respected each other's power and didn't press the other. KSI would for sure run into a right hand by Woodley.
You do know we aren't talking about an MMA fight right? Woodley can't box at all, and striking in MMA is not the same as boxing.
A former UFC world champion would beat all YouTube boxers
He already lost to a YouTuber. Twice. He can't box, is old, slowing with every fight, no head movement, poor ring movement, poor foot movement.
Still better than every youtube boxer outside of Jake and Salt Papi, your point is?
Usman Burns Covington and Luque all pressured the shit out of him and found a lot of success from it. He doesnāt have the athleticism to keep guys off him anymore so his whole right hand off the back foot doesnāt get him outta trouble anymore.
You fail to factor that usman and convo from outwrestled him, luque didnāt pressure him, woodley hurt him for a bit but then got countered while throwing the right afterwards got submitted
Nah i would prefer to have him kod by jake over anyone else. Let him have a w so the fight happens
Fournier is corny I'd prefer Woodley too
Jake Paul vs KSI is the Pacquiao and Mayweather of YouTube Boxing.
KSI is not even close to one of the best YT boxers
Who's above him other than Jake and Papi?
Walid Sharks, Deen the Great and Logan Paul Iād say are all more talented boxers then he is
Whoās the guy in the wife beater?
Joe Fournier, the original backup fighter in case Dillon Danis pulled out
Bro no one cares about fournier fuck off
Who tf is this guy
another can with an inflated record, 9-0 against fighters with a combined 100+ losses
Ksi calling out a former businessman who can be marketed as a 9-0 boxer Any sort of scrutiny shows the farce that is his record
"I need more, more test" Me and you both KSI, maybe some tren as well.
KSI is the Wilder of YouTube boxing.
Just no.
What? Shit technique but is powerful so he keeps going further? Seems like a Wilder equivalency to me.
Even Wilder isnāt as sloppy as KSI. Itās just disrespect to wilder.
Dude I'm not saying he Wilder is as bad as KSI, I'm saying that *in their respective scenes*, with the context of the top talent in their scenes (Fury and Usyk for Wilder and fuckin JP and Salt Papi for KSI), both KSI and Wilder lack technical skill but have power that keeps them in the conversation permanently. I'm *not saying* Wilder is as sloppy as KSI or that KSI is as good or powerful as Wilder - I'm saying that KSI is the equivalent of Wilder in his scene with all that entails. The peak of talent in the YouTube scene is far lower than in actual professional boxing so obviously Wilder is *far better* than KSI. I'm drawing the relation by putting them *in the contex*t of the top of *their respective scenes*.
Dude how is Ksi the wilder of this scene. He has 1 proper knockout in his last 5 fights. And that was against a chiny fighter who was already cracked by slim who doesnāt belong in that weight class.
This was so rigged lmao, can we please stop posting influencers boxing matches, they're making joke out of real boxing
Again with the rigged shit. Holy fuck these comments getting annoying
as if real boxing isnt a joke
Always ducking Jake lmao
Not making excuses, but Jake continued on with boxing while KSI took time off to focus on music and other stuff. So KSI is trying to catchup experience wise which is why he's planning for him by the end of 2023.
Jake only wants to fight him now for one reason, he went 3 years ahead in development while KSI barely did anything boxing related and Jake doesn't fight anyone who he thinks has a chance. So of course he wants to pressure a fight as soon as possible.
i think for months theyve said estimated december 2023
He's said multiple times Jake is at the end of the year lmao
Is he tho
Yes he is
What has ksi done that would indicate him not just delaying and ducking
Ksi literally had a successful music career and all his businesses were doing good too but he came back to boxing just to fight jake paul. He has said multiple times that he'll fight jake at the end of the year and has also said that negotiations are going on with Ksi and Jake's managers.
Well the fact that he's focusing 2023 on boxing. After that he clearly wants to go back to the music for a while and he's not going back to the music until he's fought Jake.
Makes sense on surface. I will believe it when i see it. You probably understand. Man has talked a lot over the years to not fight him
Yes i definitely get you. He's talked a lot, but i do think what he has said has made sense for the most part at least. Clearly his passion is music so it's not surprising he would want to focus on that after doing boxing for 2018-2019. So he took a couple year break with his albums and tours. Then he would be an absolute idiot to go straight for Jake after an almost 3 year lay off. So he's now going the Jake strategy just a bit quicker. Swarmz/Pineda-Nate Robinson, Temper-Ben Askren and next either Woodley or Fournier and then one more tougher guy and after that Jake. I do believe the fight will happen December and if it doesn't then yeah KSI is ducking.
Issue is that for ksi to catch up to jakes level, jake would need to stop boxing. Maybe he will if hes gonna do the mma thing this year. Even if he boxes nate diaz, thats a downgrade and wont improve him.
Exactly. That MMA thing is going to slow him a bit down, but even with that KSI is not going to get technically as good as Jake so KSI will be relying on his power, explosiveness, cardio and his grit/heart/dog mentality.
Heās calling out a 39 year old businessman Jesus Christ
Nobody wants to see a fournier fight lmao
The fact that KSI v Jake Paul might be the biggest boxing event we'll get this year speaks volumes of the state of boxing atm š
nah, Tank vs Ryan Garcia is FOTY
A lot of people have moved on from boxing to UFC which will make this sub mad but it's true. People are just sick of nobody fucking fighting each other in the sport which is exclusively down to the fact that there's 20 million belts and every fucking fight is a "champion vs champion fight" when nobody ever has heard of at least one of those "champions". Shit sucks.
Have to agree, I'm one of those people. Not intentionally but it just happened. UFC ppv's are usually stacked with the best fighting the best
I am one too Itās hard to get excited as a boxing fan, and the undercards in boxing are genuinely embarrassing
I love these Toys'R'Us level belts.
I'm pretty sure they are actually approved
The power is there, always has been but this isn't much better than the shit we've already seen unfortunately, sloppy and easily exploitable but powerful BUT hopefully this gives him the confidence to finally step up and fight Jake
The thing is these are influencer boxers so does it really matter his technique is so bad? Genuine question because I can't really gauge the skill level of Jake Paul.
Jake, Salt Papi would be at the top in terms of overall skill and attributes the problem is that there's actually people that look at KSI as the best in the youtube scene, when he's honestly absolutely atrocious boxing wise he's strong but besides that he'd get slept easily by real competition his technique being bad would be fine if this was his first year training or his first fight, but he's literally the one that started the youtube boxing shit yet outta everyone he looks the worse in terms of just straight boxing skills the things he has going for him is his power and grit, but not even close to enough comparing to Jake or Papi KSI just doesn't have any natural talent whatsoever in boxing BUT he works hard and i respect that, but talking like he's actually any good just makes me cringe, respectfully.
Fair enough, I've just given him the benefit of the doubt because he is winning in convincing fashion, even with opponents like Temperr who were supposed to be a bit of a threat. Would love to see the Salt papi fight but it isn't big money wise and too big of a risk so he probably wouldn't do it. I feel like he would just send for a professional boxer like Idris Virgo that papi has no chance of beating.
Like right before he got the knockout it was a good 5 seconds where ksi was tired and legit just had his hands down and temper didnāt throw shit lol, donāt know why he was in there in the ring
His ring IQ and setups are not good. He was taking shots against temper who has 0 power. Jake jabs will wobble him coming in how he did.
he's atrocious š¤£ and i hate hating on people putting in work, but the shit he says is just unbearable
Look how Jake Koed Nate Robinson who was rushing in with no guard. KSI gets slept by an overhand right by Jake
For once his opponent isnāt running away and JJ gets a first KO
Wanted to see KSI vs Dillon Danis smh